After 2012 and what life will be like ?

[Enivid]

this is a question that's been in my mind of quite some time. what will life be like in the 4th dimension? how will we live? what will we do?

alot of things in this world is fun, don't get me wrong, but its alot of things that you can do togheter that's fun like hanging out, partying, dancing and so on. personally i've learned not to care about things outside me, i had to do it to find myself and love myself. and it made me see myself as the creator and everyone outside me as other me's. i don't need anyone, i'm perfectly happy without anyone because of this liberation i've done from the material world. but i do love everyone, and i want everyone that i know and have met to make the transistion to this new world!

so...

what i've done instead of partying and follwing allt he mainstream things is learning as much as i can about science (not the mathematics, but the understandings) so i can help people understand the fundamentals of our reality, like that matter is created from consciousness which is a huge paradigm shift from the mainstream science. i've used my free time to learn as much as i can to understand things from a skeptics point of view, so i can meet people on their level and help them understand that life is alot bigger then this reality right now. and in order to do so i've had to let go of all external things and be comfortable with myself, and myself only.

i read a swedish novel that was written as a science fiction of a future society, where all the people we connected as one, and lived in perfect peace and harmony. this novel opened my eyes to what life could be like in 4th density and i would like to share my thoughts and ideas and hear yours.

what will life in 4th density be like?

first of all, as ra says, it will be a hundred times more harmonious than life on earth today! and i go from there

life is amazing and its full of love, even now if you are free from all external things! so i do believe everything will be perfect, you will have the family you want, the girlfriend/boyfriend you want, and everything will simply put be perfect!

i cannot imagine that the technology will be worse in 4th density but instead alot better, and when it comes to entertainment i do believe we will watch movies in "4d" or in a holographic way. the same with games. i do believe we will be able to be a part of the movies and games and have experiences beyond our wildest imaginations, and all the time the subconscious of oneness will take care about us.

we will live the lifes we want to live, do the things we want to do. explore the universe, make music, create crafts (with our hands, even if we can use focos to manifest), make movies, make love, party, live in peace and love!

there will be no sad days, all days will be perfect, and we will have no pollution, no troubles and eventually we will be tired of all this when a couple of hundred of years have passed and its time to continue the evolution towards oneness. but until then we will have plenti of time to do what we want to do!

its not even possible to imagine how beautiful and amazing it will be! but compared to the world today it will be mind blowing!

so, what do you think the world after will be like?
what do you expect? what do you know about the life in the 4th density?

(what i really want to do is in the next world is to play my favorite games in 3d/4d where i am part of the game, man its going to be awesome! and i can't see how its not possible... )

[dazcox]

i'm guessing that life after 2012 will be like a cross between a rainbow gathering, and college (i was an art student so college was quite enjoyable!).

[Enivid]

dazcox

i do believe all kinds of living will be available after 2012, expect the negative from our 3rd density such as things that infringe on free will.

socity in its whole really take away our free will, the monetary system, the education and the way we should work. we are forced into a way of living that we never wanted as kids. and i do believe all kind of ways inspired from this 3rd density will be available in 4th!

what i wonder now spontaniously is if we will compete in the next dimension? i love soccer and i've always wanted to play alot more, and soccer without tournaments isn't as fun . but then i don't like competition because people get sad when they loose, which i do believe won't exist in 4th dimension. you'll be happy no matter what just enjoying everything!

hmm, so many thoughts about life after 2012 i can't wait!

the best part to life is the diversity! and in 3rd density its a good breeding ground! and i do think this 3rd density will inspire the 4th denisty but without the negativa aspects that infringe on free will!

peace and love!

[Moralman]

dear friends
kind regards
i realize that david wilcock is talking about ascension to a 4th density and hopefully some of his biggest supporters will answer some questions.
1. isn't it accurate to say that the 4th density is where we go when we die?
what will be the difference between the 4th density of departed souls and the 4th density positive planet?
2. furthermore, shouldn't the ascension graduates be a perfect balance of positive/negative when they ascend?
i have read that if you are of the light, then you attract the darkness.
wouldn't be better if the 4th density planet wasn't a polarity planet, which it ultimately must be if it is a positive planet with some negative graduates?
i am asking this question here to add enivid's thread and to help expand it somewhat.
i await your response.
yours thankfully
john

[Strider44]

there are some serious questions you have to ask yourself if you beleive that in 5 years time, everything you ever wanted you can have just by thinking about it. such a beleif is unsafe in my opinon, seek happiness and contentment now so weather a quantum shift happens or not will not destabalise your emotions.

i mean there are literally millions of holes in this quantum shift thing...

.if reality becomes malleable like a lucid dream.. where will technology come from? will factories exist to create 'things' will workers operate the 'factories'?

.will scientists and philosphers still sit around a table and work out the nature of reality? or will we all just magically 'know'?

.if i ascend but my partner doesnt, will i have to wait 26'000 years to see her again?

.can i time travel and mess with history?

.will my neurosis and inability to control my thoughts and emotions follow me into 4th density? will i unwillingly expose my most evil and corrupt thougts/deeds to those closest to me?

....or will 4th density instantly grant me a buddhist-master like hold on everything i think.

for people whov never meditated, this 'ascension' will be far from harmonious.

.can i still ride my bike along the canal listening to my ipod? if i puncture the tyre will i need to replace the innertube? or can i just think a new tyre into manifestation?

.will i still need to wear a safety harness when rock climbing? since i can levitate probably not, but that would really take the enjoyment out of climbing.

.will my goldfish ascend with me? how i love him so!

be very careful about placing too much hope in 2012, dont squander your time cos you beleive enlightenment will be 'given' to you. remember david places this solely on the law of one series. 90% of people who are supposedly ascending have never even heard of channeling... how are they going to cope, by instantly realising:

there religious beleif is massively distorted
there is an afterlife
consciousness creates form
et's are real
the governments/elite have lied to us throughout the last millenium
and so on...

how can a housewife, who spends her evenings watching soap operas, reading trashy magazines and eating junk, suddenly be thwarted with notions of spiritual development and uniting with the source of the consciousness by act of willpower and service to others??

this 2012 'shift' thing is comfortable for people who are aligned to self growth, but for joe schmo i can honestly see this being a nightmarish experience. arent 'initation' experiences painful? how bad will a quantum shift be for someone who never thinks of resolving personall issues by introspection?

[MarkM]

granted, this science of ascension isn't for everyone - for some, it kinda blows their sense and understanding of reality.

and to all, please disregard whatever you don't resonate with, don't worry your self with that which you're not drawn to. most on earth will not have to deal with the issues surrounding the ascension, and in fact won't likely be aware of anything having happened. mark

[Moralman]

most on earth will not have to deal with the issues surrounding the ascension, and in fact won't likely be aware of anything having happened. mark

dear markm
kind regards
could you please explain the above highlighted quote?
yours thankfully
john

[Enkidu]

to put it quite simply strider, the shift isn't intended for "joe shmoe". the fact that he is joe shmoe means he is not ready for such an event, therefor he will not go through it. as shattering someones perception is a violation of free will.

those who are ready for the shift, whether they call it "ascension" or not, whether they have studied it or not, have an innate internal drive to move towards it.

there are people out there who dont have any spiritual beliefs per se (they dont align with any religious group) but they will be making the transition. from my understanding this type of person is rare, as it is natural for those of a "higher vibration" (i hate using that term) to seek out those things spiritual.

the majority of the people dont make the shift, they continue 3d here or elsewhere. animals and pets do not ascend to 4d, as they are 2d they must first experience 3d before they can make that shift, at which point they will no longer be "animals" they will be sentient beings.

your questions, although valid, also had the heavy ring of skepticism to them, and if approached with an open mind i am sure these answers would have come to you as well. or perhaps you already knew the answers but asked them anyways....

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[Nancy]

if the people of the earth are to be divided in to three groups, will those that didn't flow with your group just be gone? vaporized? missing in action so-to-speak? will it be like the bumper sticker that says "in the event of rapture, this car will be vacated" (or something like that)?

[Avariel]

remember to be clear when discussing the 2012 dimensional shift. there's "different parts" to it. i'm no expert on this, but i believe it has been presented to us more or less this way:

1) 2/3rds or so of earth's population "dimensionally shift" from 3d space/time to 3d time/space, within the realm commonly referred to as the lower astral planes (or the "lucid dream"). this is normally what happens when we die, too, but this time around our physical bodies are going along for the ride. we spend a fair chunk of time here (100-200 years, i think?), then:

a) those not ascending to 4d will get relocated to another solar system offering 3d experience;
b) those who are ascending return to the earth, which will by then be fully 4d & habitable again.

2) some gifted (or very lucky) people may choose to ascend right away once they reach the 3d time/space realm, akin to a sort of rapture experience, which may take them to 4d (or higher?) straightaway. i imagine some wanderers who descended from 6d or 4d to incarnate on earth to help out with transitioning the other earthlings through the dimensional shift experience may be included in this subset (they are essentially going 'back home').

so "the shift" refers to the 2012 phenomenon where we all get whisked away in a flash. "ascension" refers to the process of transforming ourselves (& our dna) to embrace a new kind of existence in 4d. there's no particular rush to head into the ascension experience, since we'll have 100-200 years to play around with developing ourselves.

"most on earth will not have to deal with the issues surrounding the ascension, and in fact won't likely be aware of anything having happened." – markm

what mark means here is that it has been proposed that higher density entities are already hard at work recreating our 3d space/time earth verbatim in 3d time/space. so when 2/3rds of our planetary population transits to the 3d "lucid dream", many of us may not even be aware of the change. i personally have trouble with this notion, but there it is...

now many religious & spiritual philosophies tend to agree that after you die and are walking around in a 'mental body' in the astral planes, you can do relatively amazing things. you gain access to a 'universal mind' kind of knowledge (but kind of easier said than done...), you can levitate, and perform other feats most of us would regard as miraculous now. you'll probably have to spend some time "figuring out" how to pull off these little tricks, so it's not like you'll start your very first day in the lucid dream as the all-powerful wizard of oz, and it'll be an interesting variation because your physical body will be there with you too.

this isn't exactly "part of the ascension". this is just how the 3d time/space turf works. moving on to 4d space/time or 4d time/space has got to me a whole 'nuther enchilada beyond all this. (hmm, i'm getting fond of this word. :d)

"will scientists and philosphers still sit around a table and work out the nature of reality? or will we all just magically 'know'?" – strider44

i imagine it'll be a combination of both. reality & consciousness science, in its very infancy here on 3d space/time earth, will most likely take off like a rocket in 3d time/space. everyone will suddenly become obsessed with it. some folks will exhibit more talent accessing intuitive or universal mind sources of information for guidance (kinda like what david does for us now), but the rest of us will pile around the discussion table and toss out all our pet theories for debate.

"if i ascend but my partner doesnt, will i have to wait 26,000 years to see her again?" – strider44

if you're referring to "the shift", then i believe i did read somewhere that anyone who shifted from 3d space/time to 3d time/space could, in fact, return if they so chose to (but most will be so enchanted with the new place they wouldn't dream of coming back.) and then there's the issue of those folks who may take quite a bit of time to even acknowledge that they ever left in the first place. and the 3d earth you left behind isn't going to remain all that hospitable for casual visiting. i guess it's not clear. i imagine that surfing through the taurus "dark tunnel" between the 2 realms isn't the easiest ferry ride. at least 'the veil' won't be a hurdle for transiting back and forth anymore.

"will my goldfish ascend with me? how i love him so!" – strider44

if you're referring to "the shift", i don't see why not, since earth will be recreated exactly. as far as "ascension" into a 4d lifestyle, nope. no way. he/she'll go on, perhaps, into a 3d incarnation on another solar system, if it progressed enough through 2d to realize it's "separateness". but in the 4d realm, there's only gonna be 1d, 2d, & 4d entities sustainable by the vibrations of the planet. no 3d hitchhikers allowed.

then again, i lack understanding of whether making the choice of service-to-others (51%) or service-to-self (95+%) is the qualifying factor for "the shift" or for "ascension". knowing that little tidbit would allow your question to be more fully answered.


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