Details on karmic hit from downloading music plz?

[Born23EB]

looking at this issue from the a 4d heart chakra based view, karmic action when released without conditions reflects the working of the law and circulates love to the whole of creation in an unconditional way that creates prosperity for the whole, with each entity being an integral part of it. so the notion of economy on a cosmic level is an exchange of values between self as itself. does the taking from the whole without returning value to the holocosm reflect sts or sto? we can see many examples of each orientation if we look closely at ourselves throughout human history. when a forest is clearcut by large corporate interests, a disintegration occurs where entire species can be wiped out over night. the web of life is effected by every input placed into it. as we sow, so do we reap. karmic law is a mirror in which there is opportunity to see ourselves as we are or in distortion.

[Jetamus]

i'll take the karmic hit thankyou very much.

spending a small fortune for sound compressed onto a piece of plastic is not my idea of fun.

[Stimatix]

well i thought the karmic hit would be if you went into the music industry and started having alot of trouble getting fans for all the music you downloaded, or it just means that it's more of a service to self thing. because you could listen to underground artists and musicians that aren't in the mainstream, and those individuals don't have the income to buy the ivory back scratcher so really downloading their music is just making it harder for them, but really couldn't that just be karma for them?

[Alex777]

to me, a musician, i think there has to be an exchange of some sort. if someone downloads my album for free, they better be coming to my gig, or buying my merchandise, or sending me a letter! an energetic exchange must take place, be that physical or emotional.

radiohead had the right idea, their last album was released on the internet, and you could pay as much, or as little as you wanted for the basic album download. if you bought the full album with artwork etc there was a reasonable charge applied. they are of course in a position where they can afford to do so, but so would anyone who could write music as engaging as they do.

musicians should play for the playings sake, fullstop. if someone else digs that, surely you gotta find a way to make sure they can continue making the music you enjoy?

the karmic hit could come from the inbalance you create if you do not return some 'energy' back to the artist. be that buying their stuff, going to a gig or letting them live on your living room floor.

i doubt that the karmic hit comes from breaking a law of the land. that would just be insane.

[transiten]

well i surely hope for a "karmic hit" with my "nep-tunes" before going into 4d....but i can wait until 4d, then the problem probably doesn't even exist...

liliane

[FooSnik]

this is in dw's latest blog entry:

the failed economy has led an entire generation to feel like they don’t have to pay for their music. this is actually bad karma, and unfortunately when you do this you are forcing your higher self to balance you out by having losses in some other area.

i understand why it’s being done, but you are ultimately only answerable to yourself in the higher sense — no one else.

there are those who believe that information simply should be free and that the metering of information is similar to the metering of energy. i remember an american indian saying once (i can't remember the exact quote), "why pay for the energy that god gives freely?" in other words, the effort to meter information and energy is just another scheme for people to amass wealth. which leads to, the effort to control and meter information is just as much bad karma as people who try to share it freely. like when tesla was working on creating free energy and j.p. morgan did not like the idea, because where do you put the meter? morgan stopped funding and tesla's wardencliffe tower was destroyed & taken down.

trent reznor, leader of the band "nine inch nails" (nin) has always admitted that he is a big fan of illegally sharing music. he said he loved the website "oink" which, until it was shut down, was probably the most famous illegal file sharing website next to napster and now the pirate bay. in fact he decided to give his latest album away for free on his website nin.com. the greatest irony of this is that i went into the virgin megastore the other day to check out the new releases and the same nin record that he was giving away for free was selling like hot cakes. seems counter intuitive doesn't it? along with that there has been a big resurgence of nin popularity since the free release of his album.

also, i was reading that the monopoly that the music industry had over distributing it's recordings is only a tiny little blip in the full history of people who make their living as musicians. only since the invention of the record and the record player has the "music industry" been so profitable. music has always been based on performance and it always will be. we are not seeing the death of music but the death of the hugely corrupt and inflated music industry. music will never die because the universe is made of it. and as long as there are artists that have the popularity to fill large stadiums then they will continue to do just that. and be paid handsomely for it. sorry but i am not shedding too many tears for those corrupt men in monkey suits who trick artists into signing these crappy three album deals. and, as an artist myself, i am not shedding any tears for any artists that think they can record a five minute track and then sit back and collect royalties for the rest of their life. if artists want to be more profitable then they need to focus on the quality of their craft, and their worth, based on demand, will grow.

i can't help but think that dw may be a little bitter that he has a new album out and he is afraid it will be pirated which will cut down his profits. is this the true motivation behind his statement?

maybe i am completely wrong.

[xlsander]

i have worked as music producer/songwriter for many years in germany

and came to the conclusion it is simple a lobby like any other business!

no chance for a "good" artist to advance if he does not match the lobby rules

either in terms of looks, message or or or


so though i love music more than anything i became discouraged and

thought this will never make me happy and i will probably keep working

as a slave for executives fulfilling their exact rules for minimum wage

so i quit!

and since then i do only music for my own band with own messages that

seem to be of value to me - i am following my heart's desire so to speak

and until now we only have some songs on myspace freely to hear.

our plan is to finish our first album (within the next month)

and then put it available to be bought on itunes and alike

not necessarily to gain income from sellings but to be within the worldwide

distribution network - everyone knows to grow our "fanbase"

the plan is to focus on live gigs and playing live as much as possible

all around the world!

so if you really like an artist after you downloaded his music

you would do him and yourself a favor to buy his material

especially if he is not backed by a record company -

this means the artist need all the support he/she/they can get

i must admit i do not always accomplish this -

so i should also practice what i "preach" more consistently

love and light my friends!

alex

[felixnova]

i also agree with the latest posts.

personally, i feel karma "hits" on me almost instantly as we approach the transition, so i am immediately notified if i do wrong things. and i have downloaded lots of music. nothing came back.

it's just downloadable data after all, bits, zeroes and ones. expecting to forbid such data from circulating the internet is like trying to forbid evolution.

i'm a programmer and i get paid for developing software that can be pirated. we've developed ways to prevent that but it's still happening.
thinking about it though, those who use pirated versions would never actually agree to be paying customers, right? so after all there is no loss for the company. you can't forbid them to use the software but they can't make money off it, or they get caught. that sounds fair to me.

would be nice if applicable in music industry as well.

i also think that if you have to "push" someone to pay for something he doesn't feel like paying, you're not a very keen businessman.

[Truth180]

i download tons of music, but pay .99 per song on a site i probably can't say. its nice to just get a certain song you like instead of buying the whole album. at first it was free when downloading songs but not worth it. the chance of getting viruses and songs that are not in good quality any ways.

another thing i noticed to is why would they taking down music vids on utube. you would think it would raise sales on music if they leave the vids on.

[Ewhaz]

i find this thread interesting, so i'll post a few of my own observations on karma and sts and sto

in any decision you make, there is the chance to be sts and sto. if you are an sto, then an sts decision gives you a karmic hit.. same goes for sts and a sto decision (and this might be the case if our own world was not in fact working towards a sto vibration, be thankful for that!) there are other worlds where that is the case.

so in every decision you have to ask yourself, am i doing this out of service to myself, or out of service to others? there is no magical set or rules to follow, no 10 commandments as they were, while they are good guideposts, it comes down to weather you are serving yourself or others.

now. who's job is it to enforce karma? you yourself monitor the karma for yourself in order to help educate yourself on the lessons you've decided to learn in this life time. the same goes for the record company ceo's and any of the rest of the scumbags charging way more than is necessary for any service what so ever! so don't think that for one moment its ok to steal from them because your 'teaching them a lesson' cause its not your job. your job is to remove their power by a) not fighting against them and b) finding a better way and thus forcing them to change or die. david has discussed this many times, that the nwo won't be defeated by a hale of flaming arrows, but rather by people removing their power and saying, 'we forgive you for what you've done, but we will not allow you to do it any more'

i listen to pandora. i deal with the pop up ads and advertisements. i type in 'free music' and download songs that artists are willing to upload for free, not ones that have been uploaded illegally. i think 99c a song is a pretty good price when you can pick and choose the songs you want rather than other songs you would rather do without. yes the system is broken, yes people's greed and selfish nature tend to skew the ideals of honest enterprise and business. our job is to find another way.

i gave the thought experiment a try, as to how sites like this and others can operate for free and end up do so without impacting their own lives in a negative manor. i soon realized that in order for any one to give things away for free.. everything has to be free as well. the site they use to host, the electricity used to run the site.. the food they get, the fuel they use, the home they live in, the computer they use etc etc etc.. that is the only way a free system works because the second any one charges one mote for what they do, it ripples down the line and effects every one. in the end, it is a tangible expression of the exchange of energy from one person to the next. that in itself doesn't mean that money is wrong. its how it's used that is wrong, not the money itself. 'the love of money is the root of all evil'

an example of free things on the net. ubuntu (free desktop os) open office (free productivity tools). basically they can do this because their source code is free for any one to download, modify and redistribute. in essence the pay back is people improving the system over time, and those enhancements make it into the official releases over time. often times these systems get money back by offering paid professional service to help with problems and issues (say to a company who would like to use it and can't afford to have their system tank for any amount of time.) examples of free systems are out there and there is no reason they can't be used in other systems, it just needs intelligent people to figure it out.