Retro-casality and 2012

[Moralman]

dear friends
kind regards
i am delighted to be a member of david wilcock's forum.
i will be posting some interesting discussion threads here.
let me say firstly that i have recently stumbled across the radio and written material of david wilcock, he is a very interesting man.
i recently read one of mr wilcock's articles and will paste a quote here.

non-linear time (added 4/08)

all of this explains how non-linear time can exist and yet we still have free will. the choices we make, individually and collectively, represent different timelines, all of which co-exist.

until we, as a planet, move into 2012 in our own real time, the higher forces that surround us cannot know how it will actually turn out. they can only adapt to our progress and hope to offer us the most effective growth material they can, while still preserving our free will — the prime directive — along the way.

one of the most fascinating "fringe benefits" of this non-linear time system is that as we make sweeping changes in our individual and collective lives now, we are quite literally re-formatting the past.

in no uncertain terms, this means that even former planets that have exploded or died, even atlantis sinking and destroying an entire civilization, even the horrors of the nazi holocaust and the nuclear attacks of hiroshima and nagasaki, can be turned around and eliminated in the now.

past, present and future are all affected by the now.

it seems holographic and weird, and violating the laws of cause and effect, until we realize that all these events truly are simultaneous in a real sense. the events that occurred in what we would call the "past" still happened, but now they are superseded by a more powerful and more favorable timeline.

everyone who died in these previous experiences is here now anyway, thanks to the fact that we are in the "era of universal reincarnation." those who have recently died may be hanging around in the astral plane to wait for 2012, but they are still participating in consciousness evolution and waiting for this epic event to occur like the rest of us.



more examples of retro-causality (added 4/08)


so, as these old personal, social and planetary traumas heal, and no longer take place in the strongest timelines, we all heal individually — and we may never even realize why.

let’s say you were burned at the stake in a past life as a "witch," and still carry the scars of that trauma in your deep memories now. you can heal this sense of being persecuted and attacked for your spiritual beliefs now, no longer allowing others to mock, ridicule and torture you.

then, you may very well find, from a true soul perspective, that you no longer burn in that past life. a new timeline forms where you not only evade capture, but the others no longer feel the need to persecute you.

though this retro-causality is possible at any point in a given "planetary cycle," explained below, it never works more powerfully than at the end of a cycle, which is where we are now. right now, we are truly at the most incredible balance-point of all, where everything we have ever known can shift by the choices we are now making.

ultimately, when the universe returns to oneness, every paradox has been resolved, every problem has been healed, every disaster has been transformed into perfection. every negative event on every timeline has been superseded by positive events.


by doing this in our own lives in the here and now, we are not only helping ourselves, not only helping others, not only helping the world, but we are helping god.

the best way we can help ourselves — and others — is to identify what our higher self really expects us to do, and to be, in this lifetime.

these statements about changing the past are interesting.
mr wilcock states that during 2012 we can change the past by changing our spiritual perception.
but i have a few questions about this.
1. how would someone like hitler or stalin be inclined not to commit holocausts in generational replays?
mr wilcock states that events such as the holocaust can be eliminated in the now moment.
but how?
as far as the holocaust is concerned, hitler was a dictator and his many followers were committed to making that holocaust happen.
how would it be stopped?
fair enough, the victims (in their present incarnations) may change their perception, but how would that effect that judgement of hitler and his henchmen?
2. when a time line is changed for the individual, to what extent is this to be done?
for example, you may want to go back in time and change many events, but a life plan is a bit like a jigg saw puzzle.
one thing ultimately leads to another, how do you change the past without it impacting on a future objective?
would the modifications be carefully done to still be realistic?
3. after 2012 could we actually relive our perfected time line?
i hope that these questions can be answered by mr wilcock and his members.
i await a swift response.
yours thankfully
john

[PriestOfLight]

dark subject - holocost time line fix

background facts:

1) in the us fema has created camps for some use.
2) these camps are rumored to to be similiar to concentration camps.
3) wwii natzi war generals were hired into the us goverment (according to tbrnews.org the crow articles)

example of fix to this time line:

1) anyone who did not stand up to the negative elite in germany stands up now to the tyranny of the current negative elite
2) instead of the army aiding the goverment (controled by the negative elite) to carry out the goverments orders, they refuse and over throw the corrupt leaders
3) people who turned in others, save them
4) the united states population wakes up and chooses love/peace over hate/war


this is an example that comes to mind.

priest of light

[Moralman]

dark subject - holocost time line fix

background facts:

1) in the us fema has created camps for some use.
2) these camps are rumored to to be similiar to concentration camps.
3) wwii natzi war generals were hired into the us goverment (according to tbrnews.org the crow articles)

example of fix to this time line:

1) anyone who did not stand up to the negative elite in germany stands up now to the tyranny of the current negative elite
2) instead of the army aiding the goverment (controled by the negative elite) to carry out the goverments orders, they refuse and over throw the corrupt leaders
3) people who turned in others, save them
4) the united states population wakes up and chooses love/peace over hate/war


this is an example that comes to mind.

priest of light

dear priest of light
kind regards
i am not sure that i understand what you are saying here.
are you saying that if people stand up to the current us government that it will change the past holocaust in nazi germany?
furthermore, if the ww2 holocaust were eliminated in the past, wouldn't the world be more overpopulated?
i know that this seems like a strange question, but remember, mr wilcock stated that everything is corrected.
i would assume that if things could be changed then these changes would be realistic changes.
as an example, five years ago, you may well have wanted to change more past events than you do now because you now realize that certain things have to happen in a certain way.
i am certainly interested in modifying time lines, but i want to be aware of the extent to which it can be done.
yours thankfully
john

[PriestOfLight]

dear priest of light
kind regards
i am not sure that i understand what you are saying here.
are you saying that if people stand up to the current us government that it will change the past holocaust in nazi germany?

furthermore, if the ww2 holocaust were eliminated in the past, wouldn't the world be more overpopulated?

if something has previously happened in our history and lessons or issues are left unresolved, these themes repeat themselves untill all souls learn their lessons from the experience. once we learn our karic lessons from the theme and take appropriate action, we correct what has happened and the theme is not presented again.

for example: people on this planet still have not learned their lessons about war so we continuely have a recurring theme of war. this continues until we learn the karmic lessons that war teaches.

i know that this seems like a strange question, but remember, mr wilcock stated that everything is corrected.
i would assume that if things could be changed then these changes would be realistic changes.
as an example, five years ago, you may well have wanted to change more past events than you do now because you now realize that certain things have to happen in a certain way.

first, realize there is only now, the present moment. right now, we can change the situation in the current now moment by doing the work it takes to change the now moment we are in.

ie if first you don't succeed, try, try again.

i am certainly interested in modifying time lines, but i want to be aware of the extent to which it can be done.
yours thankfully
john

[Avariel]

moralman,

i'm sorry there hasn't been more of a response to your query. i, myself, can only tender one little tidbit to the discussion, and a poorly referenced one at that.

i believe, if you dig hard enough, you may find some reference in these forums to the higher self playing a retro-causality role in your own personal history.

i remembering reading something to the effect of the higher self "streamlining" events in your own lifetime's (or multiple lifetimes') history at some point in time (post-2012), so that your progress from "a" (unevolved) to "b" (nice and enlightened) can be achieved without as many "bumps in the road" as you may have had to trod over on your "first" journey through your evolutionary process. while some painful or troublesome experiences would still be considered unavoidably necessary for a proper perspective to arise within you, others would not be, and these would be candidates for a "rewriting" of your personal history, insofar as such rewriting did not adversely impact the evolutionary paths of other people. your higher self is trying to make the path easier for you, overall!

sounds like you'd need a supercomputer to calculate all the possible permutations and timeline perturbations involved, but hey, your higher self is super-evolved already. don't underestimate its prowess.

and there might be some kind of oversight involved (by guardians or whomever) to make sure it's all good, before any such changes go into effect.

hope this one, tiny splinter of info provides a tiny shard of insight.

•••emery•••

[Anatta11:11]

imagine you’re a loving deity existent in all things and outside time. to further your experience and knowledge you break your mind apart into countless pieces each given the illusion it’s separate from you.

you create a playground called "space time" for these shards of the divine to experience all possibilities.

eventually (instantly for the timeless deity) all shards return to the source as they progress through their respective timelines.

each of the shards are filled with all the memories of all beings in all times, and there is one thing in common. they think “what if i did this differently? would i achieve union more quickly?”

and the shards are each given control over their own timeline, to rewrite the past and change reality generation by generation hoping to get it all right.
wouldn’t that be nice?

[Anatta11:11]

imagine you’re a loving deity existent in all things and outside time. to further your experience and knowledge you break your mind apart into countless pieces each given the illusion it’s separate from you.

you create a playground called "space time" for these shards of the divine to experience all possibilities.

eventually (instantly for the timeless deity) all shards return to the source as they progress through their respective timelines.

each of the shards are filled with all the memories of all beings in all times, and there is one thing in common. they think “what if i did this differently? would i achieve union more quickly?”

and the shards are each given control over their own timeline, to rewrite the past and change reality generation by generation hoping to get it all right.
wouldn’t that be nice?

wow, looks like the above is actually discussed in the law of one series:
see section 6-3 here
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?op...=129&itemid=36

[Moralman]

dear friends
kind regards
i have read the new responses and i thank the people for their contributions to this thread.
here is a statement by david wilcock.

until we, as a planet, move into 2012 in our own real time, the higher forces that surround us cannot know how it will actually turn out. they can only adapt to our progress and hope to offer us the most effective growth material they can, while still preserving our free will — the prime directive — along the way.

one of the most fascinating "fringe benefits" of this non-linear time system is that as we make sweeping changes in our individual and collective lives now, we are quite literally re-formatting the past.

notice that i highlighted some of the text in bold.
does the statement about 2012 being our real time somehow mean that the past is not real time?
or will the time lines that are created thereafter (reformatting the past) be more real than they were previously?
furthermore, if the past is being reformatted or "streamlined", does that mean that we will relive those time lines?
how exactly will it be done?
wilcock states we are ascending and at the same time, we are reformatting the past.
that means that we must be living in the past and the past.
how can it be done?
i thought that we were becoming our higher selves in 2012?
i need some more clarification on this matter and would be delighted with new insight into this most interesting subject.
yours thankfully
john

[Moralman]

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dear friends
kind regards
here is an article by sal rachele on the issue of parallel timelines.

past, parallel and simultaneous lifetimes

the subject of other lifetimes is a vast area of mystery to many. it used to be that people thought of other lifetimes as part of a linear progression taking place in linear time. but it really depends on the dimension and level of awareness involved. from a higher dimensional perspective, all lifetimes are occurring simultaneously in both space and time, making them parallel rather than past in nature.

the value of thinking in terms of linear past lives is that we can “remember” a “past” lifetime and learn from our experience. one of the lifetimes i remember quite well was the last one on atlantis. i left in a spaceship with about a dozen others as the continent sank beneath the sea.

the karmic lesson in this lifetime that relates to atlantis is based on something like this: "when the going gets tough, the enlightened beam up and escape the trauma." my tendency has been to have resistance to being grounded to the earth plane, and when earthly affairs get difficult, start looking for scotty and the transporter beam.

http://www.salrachele.com/webarticle...slifetimes.htm

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