End of 3rd Density non-Physical

[wander-man]

here's another reading regarding ascension:
http://www.llresearch.org/transcript...2006_0416.aspx

some snippets:

those who have been incarnating lately, for the most part, are those entities who have volunteered proudly and sacrificially to enter this waning third-density environment as pilgrims of fourth density. they are like unto those led by moses in the desert. they shall not see the promised land, but they shall create the garden of eden upon your planet once again to the best of their ability.

this is how we see your present moment, not as one in which there will be a sudden change but one in which the changes are continuous and metaphysical in nature rather than physical.

there's a lot of other interesting stuff too in that link, for example:

the work of this group and many, many others like it, as well as many individuals working alone in terms of physicality, have created a grace period. since 1998 in your counting, you have been living on grace alone. this grace continues. it shall not continue beyond a certain point. for you see, at a certain point it is as though there were energies mixed in a glass of water.

we apologize for the oversimplification of this figure, but we are using a non-scientific instrument.

the energies are all mixed in a glass of water and to a certain extent they continue to be melded within each other, but at a certain point, the heavier elements sink to the bottom and the lighter elements rise to the top and there is a separation between the two levels. that point is coming for third density on planet earth. this is not a tragedy. this is not the rapture. this has nothing to do with ascension. it is the natural, evolutionary process by which spiritual evolution of people and of planets occurs.

the grace period part blew my mind, and now it lies splattered on a wall of confusion

[wander-man]

please, as a favor to me, do not refer to carla rueckert as "a chick."

onegai shimasu
asmo

sorry if i came off as derogatory, i didn't mean chick in a bad way.
i meant it in the following way:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=chick
1. chick


the nicest way to refer to any female. used respectfully like this in australia. a completely non-derrogatory comment, that in general (most chick's i've talked to) is non-offensive to women and better than most alternative's.
"what are the chick's doing tonight?"
"that channeling chick is hella cool!"


is it ok if i refer to her as (a) super channeler? or, wanderwoman?

[ChrisC]

hey guys,

my personal feeling about 2012 and 3d->4d is that this is something that is occuring as a increase in the creator light energy. this gives us the chance to live either more harmonious (if we are able to be transducers and intergrate the new energy) or live even more disharmonious (the intensity of the new energy cannot be integrated and in then becomes as a sauna...it only intensifies more as time goes). if we reach a tipping point (not meaning 50% of total pop.) then the shift will affect the planets consciousness for the better.

the old age (age of pisces) was known for superstition, greed, ego, manipulation... "i know therefore i experience."
the new age (age of aquarious) motto: i experience therefore i know; no power or elite knows better than me, mankind in this new era won´t be easily manipulated by e.g., "the supremacy of the white race" or the "women should stay home"...that is the old age.

we are here to make way for the new age...it will maybe not be a radical shift in our physical 3d world, but the shift of consciousness will be enormous...for those able to integrate the new energy. "as within as without" ...this will lead to heaven on earth, maybe not in our lifetime but surely in our grandchildrens...feel the new energy, be the new energy

we assigned the mission "save mother earth" before we incarnated, we are the dawners of the new age, the new age starts with us.

this is my reality, what is yours?

peace

[Goyo]

hey everyone,

i came across this post from dw a few weeks back regarding the channelings of q'uo through carla and the argument between gradualism vs. a sudden shift.

here's the link... http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/s...5&postcount=41

"just as a note here, carla has always been heavily biased, in the conscious mind, against anything noteworthy happening around 2012. this was the product of a lively debate going all the way back to our first shared appearance together in louisville in 2002.

i have only the greatest respect for carla, lived with her or near her for three years and supported her financially for two out of those three, as well as having a major impact on building four rooms in her basement and a shed on her land.

on this particular issue i believe strong conscious biases, and a lack of familiarity with the intricate interweavings of various passages in the law of one series, has caused the discrepancy. channeling is always a blending between conscious and superconscious minds, and even her unconscious work in the law of one series had a few minor inconsistencies -- such as the dating of the great pyramid's construction and the home density of jesus.

what i have done previously is to make a comprehensive, airtight and irrefutable case that 2012 is a "quantum leap" representing a "shift in the basic nature of the photon" making up all physical matter, right from passages in the law of one series.

in order to support the 'gradualist' model you have to ignore 95% of the relevant quotes to focus exclusively on one that appears to suggest a 100-700 year transition period. as i've said before, dr. mandelker and i figured out this refers to a transition from time-space rather than space-time. it is not specified one way or the other in the law of one, and by making it time-space it immediately balances with all other quotes.

i am now presenting this material in public lectures and you can find it in the site archives as well. read "law of one and 2012: the facts!" at the following url:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.ph...=332&itemid=30

looking at the actual quotes collapses the argument, at which time this becomes simply an embarrassing difference of opinion.

- david"

[Wellerite]

the entity in question whether it be ra or quo can only use the ideas and concepts that carla avails them of. those channelers that have prophesied destruction and chaos are those that that have left their metaphysical door wide open expecting a greeting from a wise master when in fact the chances are that you will receive any old joe. but whether that messenger be of a high calibre or not the message will always be distorted through the channelers own disposition. also lets not forget how our thoughts will affect carla. when we are reading these channellings our thoughts can connect to carla (though not on purpose) by a tenuous thread. having arrived within her neighbourhood, it impinges on the aura, beating out the rhythm with which it is endowed. thusly we will all add our own colouring to these channellings through thought transference.

[Muse]

what's wrong with right here, right now, unless you think about it? that usually takes me right to 4th density without even thinking about it.

[johnasmodeus]

is it ok if i refer to her as (a) super channeler? or, wanderwoman?

:d

actually, my request was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, so you really can do whatever you like. it's just that i've seen photos of carla and heard her speak and she gives off this very "intelligent, cool grandma" vibe that i dig. for me, with my bias towards american english, this is the very antithesis of the term "chick."

although, and, carla if you're reading this, i mean this with the greatest respect, if you look up old photos or video of carla, you will see that she was quite the hottie back in the day. nothing "grandmotherly" about her then at all.

here. look for the girl in the blond wig in the first ten minutes of "the hidan of maukbeiangjow:"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g71pp2jdbbm

[MarkM]

just came across this:


quote:
b: is there another process besides death to make the transition?

we are those of q’uo, and believe we understanding your query, my brother. there is not in the duties of the guardian any process other than that which occurs at the death, as you know this walk through the gateway to larger life. we are aware that there has been discussion among your peoples of that which this instrument calls the rapture and indeed this instrument is aware of the teachings of the one known as jesus who said that when the time came there would [be] two people in the field—one would be taken and one would be left. it is our understanding of this teaching—and again we offer it humbly—that this was as were almost all of the things that the one known as jesus taught, like a parable in nature.

the literal meaning of the stories that the one known as jesus told was not intended but rather the stories were those stories in which the parable pointed out metaphysical truths rather than physical ones. therefore, it is indeed so, in terms of the functionality of the graduation process, that in the moment of choice on the steps of light, an entity either chooses third density or fourth density and therefore moves into life in third or life in fourth density. we do not believe it was intended that there would be this adventurous drama suggested of a sudden and fell rapture in which life as you know it stopped suddenly and [completely] and entities were either tossed into the pits of hell or lifted up to heaven.

we believe that the reality is less dramatic but much more understandable. we believe that the reality is that you, each of you, will choose the manner of your being. you will choose it not because you judge yourself but because you realize that there is a sweet spot in the light for you. walking those steps of light, you are not looking to push past your abilities, you are looking to find that place where you belong, and when you have found just the right place, it does not matter if it is third density or fourth density, it is the place that you have earned, it is the gift of your long and adventurous life and all that has brought you to that point at which you were vibrating in a certain way when you passed into larger life. that vibration is your being. you want your being to be comfortable. you want that being that you are to be placed where it belongs. this as we understand it is the process of graduation or ascension.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcript...2006_0401.aspx

i'm not trying to be ******* here, i'm just a little confused as i have read and watched some of dw's work and now i'm coming across this q'uo stuff and i'm like, "******?"

how does the above quote tie in to the anti-gradualism theory?

wow..a beautiful extract from the q'uo channelings!

i like to read this in the context of the question asked, "is there another process besides death to make the transition?"

it seemed to me while checking out the law of one that ra is telling us that there comes a point where the light becomes too glaring, as ra puts it, and we find our max ability to handle the light comfortably.

i wonder if, circa 2012, our @ 75,000 - 78,000 year sojourn in 3d will curve up to a completion point, in terms of a parabolic or perhaps more geometrically involved increase of change per given time period. there is questionably a theoretical point at which the parabolic curve on a graph goes vertical... or is there?

imagine.. a parabola forming for thousands of years, creeping along the horizontal, and then finally, slowly quickening; arcing towards the vertical, and you would understand that there would be a time in which, if you tagged the rate of change to passage of time, would result in a state eventually wherein rates of change that would previously take thousands of years to transpire, now, near the vertical of the parabola, have exponentially approached infinite change per zero time - and this process as it ramps up circa 2012 represents the event of the turning inside out of 3d space/time.

in a weird way, the theoretical impossibility of reaching the vertical is cancelled out by the concept of a mirror- imaged, reversed time/space duplication of space/time, forming a balanced picture. but that's another story.

i wonder if q'uo is describing a 'time' at which humanity is ultimately squeezed out of 3d space/time, perhaps the experience of many in the last moments of tenure here is of an exponentially increasing rate of change, leading to thoughts becoming things as the need for change to keep up with the parabola entails a necessary release from the agent of 3d cause/time/effect, as our minds perceive it.

mark

[E.J.]

wanderman et al.,
i have been pondering this thread since it was started a few weeks ago. after re-reading david's "2012 quantum leap proof", and re-reading several of q'uo's channelings, i feel that i have come across a solution to all of this confusion, and will give quotes to support.

bottom line solution: david and scott mandelker are completely accurate with their description of the transition between third and fourth density as a quantum increase in vibration. however, david's proof treatise only uses the ra material to determine the date of this quantum change. as we know from reading and re-reading these quotes from ra, there is some ambiguity. there is not one contradiction, but there is vagueness. for example, ra's answer:

questioner: am i to understand that the harvest will occur in the year 2,011, or will it be spread?

ra: i am ra. this is an approximation. we have stated we have difficulty with your time/space. this is an appropriate probable/possible time/space nexus for harvest.

it is an approximation and is a probable and possible nexus for harvest. no where else does ra specifically say that 2011-2013 is exactly right. i quote again:

ra: i am ra. this inconvenience, or disharmonious vibratory complex, has begun several of your years in the past. it shall continue unabated for a period of approximately three oh — thirty — of your years.

questioner: after this period of thirty years i am assuming that this will be a fourth-density planet. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is so.

if you are getting excited, before you jump on me, pretend you are answering don's questions for a moment. "it shall continue unabated for a period of approximately thirty of your years" is your answer.

coupled with your knowledge that you are "approximating" and that you have "difficulty with our time/space", as well as the fact that you know you are looking at possibility/probability vortices, you give an answer to don that directly responds to his question based on the fact that he knows your difficulties.

if ra were absolutely certain about thirty years, how could they give us the information without infringing upon our free will? it is an approximation, and what's more, i suspect it is not a certainty.

i quote again:

ra: i am ra. the first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it.

i completely agree that david has 1936 right on the money, there is no doubt that 1981-45 = 1936. however, "the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it" does not automatically imply that:
a) 1981 was in that forty year period, or;
b) that the forty year period ends in 2012

i appreciate david's evidence regarding 1972, and am not ignoring that. however, i would like to be fair to ra's statement. with the utmost respect to direct meaning, ra's statement can be paraphrased as, "beginning forty years before the quantum leap, the energies will vibrate ever more intensely." period. we may or may not be in that time period now, and also, this forty year period may lengthen. ra does not specifically say that the forty year period is locked in stone.

the reason i focus on these quotes is to help propose that david's wonderful work substantially proves that there will be a quantum leap point. however, this does not necessarily mean that there will be no changes over time both before and after that point, and also that the point will definitely, without a doubt, be 2012. simply based on law of one quotes, there is a case that 2011-2013 can be the shift time. several times in the loo series, ra mentions the "sub-levels" of each density. when we graduate into fourth density, we will be at the first sub-level. just like there is a big difference between the caveman and the modern day human, so can there be a big difference between first and seventh sub-level fourth density. we will be growing during this transition as always. this growth during transition is key to then linking in q'uo.

i quote from 1-01-2006:

in terms of what is happening to the planet, the third-density planet earth on which you live is gradually exhausting its capacity to offer an environment in which third-density entities can incarnate. the energies have been strengthened, especially in the last ten years or so, as we said, by many groups such as yours who gather for reasons larger than themselves, and you have in common a great love for the creator and a great desire to serve the creator.

this whole-hearted stretching and reaching for the light and this growing desire to learn the truth among so many of your people have greatly aided the situation as regards the strength of the field of third density at this time. it is very likely—and we are looking only at probability vortices, not actual predictions—that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years. it is difficult but not impossible to predict with any accuracy what shall occur with your people. however, the time of third density for doing third-density work is virtually over.

those not in incarnation at this time will not have another shot at living on planet earth, taking flesh, and becoming choice-making, ethical, biological units, as this entity likes to call human beings, from the work of the one known as dewey. it is not, however, a cause for fear that this is occurring. this is perfectly in order.

first paragraph: the energies on earth have strengthened, especially within the last 10 years or so, because of the work that groups gathering for seeking have done.

second paragraph: this growing desire and searching for the truth among your peoples, has greatly aided the "strength of the third density energy field at this time." and further, "it is very likely" (using probability/possibility vortices just like ra) "that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years."

whoa! now wait a moment! this does not contradict ra. ra's word is saved in this case by the fact that they were looking at vortices in 1981, just like q'uo now. and you're thinking, "if we could just talk to ra," right?? but, as always in these channelings from q'uo, they are fully consistent with the ra material (i also beg you to remember that q'uo is a member of the confederation, and yes with a slightly different perspective than ra, as they are slightly different). q'uo's whole explanation that the third density energies can lengthen the time to the transition fully fits in with the fact that:
a) there will be a quantum leap point (as ra stated)
b) the transitionary time period lies between 100-700 years (as ra stated), specifically 100-150 years, because our spiritual energy growth has aided, and will continue to aid, the earth in this transition process

in the third paragraph, q'uo gives us another piece of puzzle. they say that those people who are in time/space now, in the process of healing, will not have another chance to incarnate in third density--fitting in perfectly with ra's statement that "all will be harvested, whether incarnated or not," and lending creedence to the fact that this transition process is happening right now, and is coming to an end.

and finally, remember that ra never says whether or not the quantum leap transition may be delayed by years (a very short time in this process), or whether it must happen in thirty years. although this may seem like a minute point, it is this kind of a small omission that can preserve our free will.

i have the utmost respect for david's work and continue to be a strong supporter. please know that i simply feel that i could not pass up this opportunity to share these insights i have had regarding this matter, that has troubled me, as it has troubled so many.

peace in the love and the light,
e.j.

[MarkM]

a great work of reasoning, good job!

just a couple of quick points that occured to me on first reading:

those not in incarnation at this time will not have another shot at living on planet earth, taking flesh, and becoming choice-making, ethical, biological units, as this entity likes to call human beings, from the work of the one known as dewey. it is not, however, a cause for fear that this is occurring. this is perfectly in order.

so, if humanity's sojourn in the 3d earth plane is to last up to 150 more years, might this suggest that it would not be in the sense of the above bolded part - but that this would take place in the time/space aspect of 3d earth?

another thought occurs - all that which is given to us by both ra and q'uo is done so with a mind to preserving our free will, but that does not preclude a solution to our mystery of the timing of the 'quantum' point coming from humans themselves. indeed, what would be the purpose of these signposts coming down from the confederation, if not to goad us into finding our own solutions via our own means - namely, science, meditation, and a tireless, single-pointed quest for truth, light and love?

the ambiguity present in this material invites us to seek our own answers; for humanity to discover for itself does not breach the law of free will. i believe the key here, not spelled out by ra or q'uo (in keeping with the law of free will) is the factoring in of space/time vs. time/space.

"it is very likely" (using probability/possibility vortices just like ra) "that your people will not only be able to live out their current incarnations here but that there will be enough energy within third density to maintain third-density bodies and the energies of evolution, in terms of the spirit, for some of your time, perhaps as many as a hundred or a hundred and fifty of your years."

keep in mind that q'uo is not specifying 3d space/time. the body you inhabit after passing from space/time into time/space is still a third density body.

a subtle point, easily to be missed by many.

just a couple of quick thoughts, it's bedtime for me!

p.s. what's really important to dwell on is the possibilities inherent within this moment - to dwell on anything else to the exclusion of this is folly, i suggest!

mark