Does LoO or Q'uo mention the orgin of the devil?

[AmelieJolie]

i looked at the loo site here, but couldn't anything explaining this.

http://www.lawofone.info/


perhaps it wouldn't have been the right time (at that particular time) to bring the information out regarding this?

does anyone else feel that there is an unbalanced consciousness of some sort at play in this world?
perhaps jehovah and lucifer are one of the same....perhaps after the "fall", this being became the ruler?

perhaps there was a time once when we could explore these realms without having to surrender our memories, and where we had full access to our higher selves/ intuition/ kundalini?

[moderator wants to remind emily that loo thread is meant for loo discussion and posts will be moved if she doesn't stay on topic]

[AmelieJolie]

i did ask about it in regard to loo, did i not?

*sigh*

[AmelieJolie]

i couldn't find anything under "devil" or "satan" but i found something here, under "lucifer":

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php...=all&ss=0&sc=1

i think that's about all there is for now, unless there is more in q'uo. is there a site where you can research q'uo like the loo link above?

[billybobbutterball]

hi, emily, all is one billiousbob here..

there is nothing comparable. but at least you can do a google subject search on llresearch.org that will access both the ra proper along with the vast archive accumulated ever since. (sometimes the search is not 100% and for some inexplicable reason stuff is overlooked)

satan, as popularly visualized, is described as a thought form... also the same goes for the virgin mary. they are real, but not really for "reals". they are maintained by the on-going thoughts of billons. elsewhere (ken carey, third millenium) the concept is advanced that "satan" volunteered to fulfill a sometimes unpleasant but needed duty. actually he deserves gratitude for the suffering he undergoes in performing his duty. also there is the associated idea that "satan" is actually the principle that maintains the physical environment.... and that unforseen conditions have perverted the original job description into something not anticipated by the designers, and thus things on gaia have gotten a bit bent out of shape, etc.

to squiggle a bit off topic...

emily, i'm distressed that you are so upset by the veil of forgetfullness that you want to render it into shreds. the veil is not meant to stifle our eventual spiritual growth but to accelerate it. the fact is that you have made a contract with your greater self to come here under these conditions, and are fully equipped with plans and backup plans galore. the fact is that you can do nothing "wrong" -- in the sense that everything will be reconciled -- but it is true that some intermediate paths are traversed much more gracefully than others. and please understand that you did not "fall from grace". does a baby fall from grace when it is born? is its job, once born, to find a way to crawl back into the primative eden-like womb? 10x !!!!

once again, please keep in mind a famous comment from q'uo..."it is not the business of those incarnate in third density to be right, to be in balance, to be perfect." does that help? here is a "no brainer" it is not the business of a 3rd grade student to skip the intermediate academic steps by merely clamoring to immediately receive his/her phd.

emily, please slow down and smell the roses...(yeah, i know, from your point of view you are surrounded by nothing but skunk cabbages)

as usual, real love, bbb

(ps it is a real problem for many students to become unhooked from certain concepts of christianity theology accepted as absolute "givens"...they are negative concepts that stick to ones mind like glue. to understand the negative background of the new testament one must understand the origin of the "old testament) please google, scott mandelker.com and study his fascinating essays on east/west gnostic studies... scott has taken the ra material as his evaluative study guide.)

i couldn't find anything under "devil" or "satan" but i found something here, under "lucifer":

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php...=all&ss=0&sc=1

i think that's about all there is for now, unless there is more in q'uo. is there a site where you can research q'uo like the loo link above?

[AmelieJolie]

interesting thoughts, silvanus and bbb, thanks.

emily, please slow down and smell the roses...(yeah, i know, from your point of view you are surrounded by nothing but skunk cabbages)

only when i've eaten too many beans, like.

actually, i enjoy the smell of roses and nag champa incense often.

[AmelieJolie]

found the scott mandelker website, very interesting.

thank you.

http://www.scottmandelker.com/

[MarkM]

emily, my friend, this is something i wrote to you several months ago, which i feel is pertinent once again:

some great, intuitive flows, ameliejolie!

i recall reading the edgar cayce material years ago and trying to get my head around the concepts of karma, and whether there are such things as accidents.

i wondered at one time how a loving kind 'god' could allow such monstrous things to occur in the world.

but then i figured that the only way to maintain our free will as co-creators ( which is what we are), is for us to be allowed to do what we will in the world, or in any world, for that matter. for me, this led into a greater insight into the nature and purpose of karma, as it seems natural to assume that a creator must face and experience its creation, as with power comes responsibility. although karma may seem at first to be a mechanism of punishment/reward, it seems better understood as a way for an evolving creator to learn/teach from its own creation.

although we have been one with the creator always, it seems as if we (the creator) is experimenting with the concept of 'manyness', perhaps with an eye towards gaining experience in a veiled state of self-induced amnesia, as an antidote to a static state of intelligent infinity, full of infinite potential, but otherwise without the means to realize.

in order for the creator to fulfill the law of creators facing and experiencing fully their creation (karma), you wind up with a situation such as we have here in third density; namely, a great forum of creating, experiencing, learning, creating some more, experiencing, learning, growing, etc., until we learn to move and create in line with the formative, creative principle of the universe, which is love.

all the drama of life in third density is merely the result of us little baby creators learning to use the creative principles properly through trial and error.

the veil's purpose is, in part, to shield us from the higher karmic responsibilities of our mis-steps, as well as to allow us to learn the ways of love naturally and fully, through our own innocent first hand experience.

when we become trustworthy creators, working more than less consistently in harmony and in accordance with the universal creative principles in this smaller-scale forum of practising with our creative powers, we get to move on to something bigger.

and thus does the creator feel for itself the wonders of experience and becoming.

love, mark

>snip<

like it or not, we need to evolve from where we are. we are not fallen, we are experience. experiencing. dwell not on the results of our missteps, but rather on the huge beauty of life. our ability to perceive and experience this beauty is a testament to how successful we have been in our becoming, so far.

i suggest holding a quiet awareness of the misery in the world, knowing it represents nothing more than an aspect of the experiencing of the creator, having no lasting influence on our lives other than learning how to live love more completely. this is the true, sacramental nature of suffering. the trade-off; suffering is never permanent nor does it ever scar irrevocably, but the love learned is eternal, never dying, only increasing.

god's plan is perfect in this regard, there was no cosmic accident to which we are subject. please allow yourself to transcend the suffering in the world, please don't feel you are morally obligated to dwell on this; suffering is totally a secondary issue in our becoming, so focus on the positive, and you will achieve your greatest potential for doing your part to overcome suffering in the world. the more you choose to focus on the positive, the more you will psychically act to alleviate suffering in the world at large!

i promise!

suck it up, buttercup!

[urakei]

hi all,

i think that's about all there is for now, unless there is more in q'uo. is there a site where you can research q'uo like the loo link above?

try search in llresearch there's a lot of q'ous and others in their sessions.

i tried search devils, there's a lot of it too. here's one. (hope it's relevant to what you seek)

80.10 questioner: the fifteenth archetype is the matrix of the spirit and has been called the devil. can
you tell me why that is so?

ra: i am ra. we do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. the progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the catalyst of the spirit. few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. by far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

it is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is
a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. this freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. the magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

peace

[twva]

i was reading through this thread and the thought occurred to me that in some way the quarantine (which ra says was necessitated by the unbalanced actions of the one formerly known as yahweh in the transfer of souls from mars to here) may be related to the sense that many people have of being trapped in the darkness of materiality and hence to the devil archetype.

[soup]

...may be related to the sense that many people have of being trapped in the darkness of materiality and hence to the devil archetype....

i probably shared this idea here before somewhere. the idea was that of applying set theory to the concepts of heaven and hell. heaven as if a super set to hell as a subset in the simple sense but with a spin - that is we share the world and the perceptions of the delineations of these sets can differ. for example, the concept of war for most people may seem as if hell to most people however to a soldier it may seem as heaven....

so by stretching oneself to points of tolerance whereby this concept of wholeness may be grasped, there can seem a heavenly peacefull dominance at play which of course seems a matter of perception...

soup