2012 - Sudden event vs. gradual progression

[Enkidu]

But didn't the sudden extinction of the members of the extra planet in our system get entangled in a spiritual knot due to such an event? Were they not then reincarnated in lower vibrational forms on earth after the event occurred and they were successfully untangled?

I believe the LoO also states that people who die in blasts and explosions (such as bombs) go into a period of soul shock post death due to the sudden transition from one experience to the next.

Seems that an event such as ascension would be made rather unharmonious to follow such a pathway...

I can find the specific passages if you are unfamiliar with what I am discussing.

[billybobbutterball]

But didn't the sudden extinction of the members of the extra planet in our system get entangled in a spiritual knot due to such an event? Were they not then reincarnated in lower vibrational forms on earth after the event occurred and they were successfully untangled?

I believe the LoO also states that people who die in blasts and explosions (such as bombs) go into a period of soul shock post death due to the sudden transition from one experience to the next.

Seems that an event such as ascension would be made rather unharmonious to follow such a pathway...

I can find the specific passages if you are unfamiliar with what I am discussing.

Hi, Austin I think that is a good idea... summing up information from the
the Ra. The major point that sticks in my mind is that of the extreme atomic bomb sequence.

As for planet Maldek (sp?) did that event result in the reconstructed souls ending up in a lower density per se? (albeit at a much lower level of technology)

However, in the "Grand Scheme of Things" just how important is the matter of 'time'? (considering that we are instructed it is largely an illusion stemming from our uniquely human view point)

It does get confusing! Anyway, I just hope that when it all happens I won't be there... but then again I understand that the planet is already well into the process of actually shifting to 4D ???

The very best! Bill, AKA bbbb

P.S.

All this conjecture about dying sent me off for a look-see

I have great respect for the "age regression" work of Dolores Cannon. S0...
I went to take a look on Google Books Dolores Cannon and opted
for a limited free read (approximately 50 pages out of 260)

The title is: Conversations With a Spirit/between Death and Life

Main point..Surprise, Death ain't all its cracked up to be...about like taking off your hat and coat after coming home.

Another factor is that "we" (as current soul) represent only the tip of the iceberg peeping out above the spiritual waters.

Its an eye-opening read...

Another of her books concerns the experiences of an Hiroshima victim and his trip to the other side.

If the subject is of interest...make a free will decision to check it out.

best! Bill....aka bbBb

[Dtris]

But didn't the sudden extinction of the members of the extra planet in our system get entangled in a spiritual knot due to such an event? Were they not then reincarnated in lower vibrational forms on earth after the event occurred and they were successfully untangled?

I believe the LoO also states that people who die in blasts and explosions (such as bombs) go into a period of soul shock post death due to the sudden transition from one experience to the next.

Seems that an event such as ascension would be made rather unharmonious to follow such a pathway...

I can find the specific passages if you are unfamiliar with what I am discussing.

As I understood the references to Maldek and Mars these events moved 3d inhabitants of those planets to earth as 3d participants. So they would not have went down in density. The spiritual knot was a reference to nuclear explosions and there was no mention that I recall of the same problem existing for conventional explosives. The detonation of the atomic bombs required the direct intervention of higher beings to sustain the mind/body/spirit complex but they did require a period to recuperate before subsequent incarnation. Mars iirc somehow managed to destroy their atmosphere. Maldek managed to blow up their planet, which may or may not have been done with devices that would have the same soul devastating affects as an atomic device.

I think a massive enough solar disturbance would not have the same effect as an atomic bomb. You would likely have some immediate deaths from massive cell damage from gamma radiation. The disruption of the ionosphere and magnetosphere would cause massive earthquakes and tidal waves, and possible superstorms. The magnetic interference would shutdown the electric grid of the entire planet. The subsequent increased energy and dispersion from the solar event would likely cause deaths by slower mechanisms of biological origin.

But again, I just used that as an example of why the event as a whole would not necessarily abrogate the law of confusion.

[Enkidu]

Fair enough. In my mind a massive solar burst that immediately eradicated millions if not billions (depending on which way the planet was facing during the hit) would be as devastating as a nuclear bomb; As a nuclear bomb is basically a star being generated for a minute moment.

I suppose a natural event, as opposed to one triggered via entities existing within the plane, could serve as a abdication towards the concept of a violation of the LoC.

I will see if I can hunt down the reference to conventional explosives as well, as a further teach/learn learn/teach experience for us both. If I recall correctly (I have read the LoO many many times over the years, but not within the past 2) it was while discussing suicide bombers detonating themselves doing soul damage and having to go through a period of healing and reintegration.

On a side note: I have a personal aversion towards the concept of mass deaths and devastation as a requisite for the Harvest to occur. My heart naturally radiates towards a more harmonious shift, without all the screaming and death and superstorms and destruction loss and bloodshed. So there is some bias in my taking the position I have chosen to on the topic.

[Enkidu]

On Maldek:

6.13 Questioner: Is all of the Earth’s human population then originally from Maldek?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a new line of questioning, and deserves a place of its own. The ones who were harvested to your sphere from the sphere known before its dissolution as other names, but to your peoples as Maldek, incarnated, many within your Earth’s surface rather than upon it. The population of your planet contains many various groups harvested from other second-dimension and cycled third-dimension spheres. You are not all one race or background of beginning. The experience you share is unique to this time/space continuum.

Source: http://www.lawofone.info/results.php...ek&ss=1&st=any

From my understanding those from Maldek did take root on earth, though not in our standard plane as we experience. Their use of the terms "within your earths surface" means one of two things to me.

1. There is a race of people living inside the earth.

2. They became a part of the earths recycling program for energy. (As I discussed in another post near the top of the forum at the moment.)

[Dtris]

Fair enough. In my mind a massive solar burst that immediately eradicated millions if not billions (depending on which way the planet was facing during the hit) would be as devastating as a nuclear bomb; As a nuclear bomb is basically a star being generated for a minute moment.

I suppose a natural event, as opposed to one triggered via entities existing within the plane, could serve as a abdication towards the concept of a violation of the LoC.

I will see if I can hunt down the reference to conventional explosives as well, as a further teach/learn learn/teach experience for us both. If I recall correctly (I have read the LoO many many times over the years, but not within the past 2) it was while discussing suicide bombers detonating themselves doing soul damage and having to go through a period of healing and reintegration.

On a side note: I have a personal aversion towards the concept of mass deaths and devastation as a requisite for the Harvest to occur. My heart naturally radiates towards a more harmonious shift, without all the screaming and death and superstorms and destruction loss and bloodshed. So there is some bias in my taking the position I have chosen to on the topic.

I took the suicide bomber passage to mean that all those who commit suicide induce soul damage that requires a period of healing after death.

I am also not saying that I believe we will experience some kind of mass extinction event. It was just the first thing I thought of to be an example of ascension without violating the law of confusion.

[Apophis]

Maybe both. Can you say when you have passed high school? I realize there is a "graduation" where you receive a diploma, however by the time you're in the last half of your Senior Classes you've pretty much leaned everything you are going to learn in that school. What I am trying to say is we may be in the middle of 4D right now. We are simply leaning all about what it takes to be a Social Memory Complex. (Via the Internet, and other globally recognized extra awareness) Yes there may be a day when we receive our diploma from "Earth 3D" but haven't we been learning about 4D this whole time?

[Apophis]

Furthermore Neanderthals did not die out in one day, they slowly faded in a natural cycle. It may have been in only one generation, but still it was a natural cycle.

[7Sisters]

I don't know if this is the right place to put this, but last week while I was out with my other half, we were in the car and I received somekind of download. It was like a still photograph in motion it showed me a horizontal line crashing into a wall and splintering off into millions of fragments as it did. The line was not stopped by the wall, but it continued to push into the wall constantly being broken into slivers.
At first I thought, maybe there will be a train wreck into a building or something- but a thought was 'put' into me that it was TIME. Linear time that can go no further. That it is close to this wall and is crashing now. That there will be pieces of time that will be splintered, that may be memory's or experiences and we can go back and look into them. The splinters looked like tiny mirrors.

[Raw Jonn]

I sense strongly that it will be a sudden event. The date is pretty set, and all of our sources are fairly consistent. I believe when the galaxy's frequencies peak, the Harvest will be sudden. The ones that stay here on Earth will, in my opinion, be divided up into two main groups. One group will be the majority Earth that Graduated, but cannot compendious the reason for the pure bliss. There will be much self-reflecting sorrow from the result of being aware of how past problems did not make sense. The latter group will be those who consciously chose to awaken sooner. By understanding 4th Density sooner, this group will help Earth fully transition into 4th Density by helping people understand the reality that they're in.