Real World Events and the Law of One

[HeavyFlea]

So as far as what Ra says in regards to the Law of One... are we supposed to ignore the real world events/conspiracy's that have become very apparent.

I'm talking about the One world government along the lines of what Alex Jones has uncovered. The Bilderberg's etc.

So those of us who actually can look outside of our busy little lives and see the big picture... The evidence is there and it's obvious and these groups aren't scared because they don't believe the general public is smart enough, or care enough, or are just to concerned with their daily routines and personal problems to actually do anything or research further to see the obvious truth. Our leaders are not voted in... There is an elite group controlling our governments and it's real and it's there for everyone to see but it's largely overlooked.

As far as the Law of One goes... are we actually just supposed to focus on our own little lives? Ignore this larger picture as it doesn't really matter? And would we be affecting the will of this elite group by fighting against it? (Even though they attempting to control ours.) Are we supposed to let them slowly take over everything... maybe to the point of reaching general enslavement of the general public or worse yet allowing them to kill off a large percentage of the population?

Is this transition to 4d going to happen before they are able to complete this one world order, or is this what is left for 4d negative? Is anymore said about this within the Ra Material or further communications to David or from Q'uo?

Any other opinions?

[twva]

To the extent that you're thinking of this as a war, us against the evil elite, it seems like this quote might be relevant:
This war and self relationship is a fundamental perception of the maturing entity. There is a great chance to accelerate in whatever direction is desired. One may polarize negatively by assuming bellicose attitudes for whatever reason. One may find oneself in the situation of war and polarize somewhat towards the positive activating orange, yellow, and then green rays by heroic, if you may call them this, actions taken to preserve the mind/body/spirit complexes of other-selves.

Finally, one may polarize very strongly green* ray by expressing the principle of universal love at the total expense of any distortion towards involvement in bellicose actions. In this way the entity may become a conscious being in a very brief span of your time/space. This may be seen to be what you would call a traumatic progression. It is to be noted that among your entities a large percentage of all progression has as catalyst, trauma.

* Ra originally said "third" but that was later corrected to "fourth", ie green.

[jdlejeune]

I am also looking at all the recent info from movies like [please email JD for movie names]. I had first watched [movie] and was quite upset and angry. I became very identified with it, almost to the point of victimizing, and I wanted to do something. I wanted to save the world. I had to tell everyone...

A few weeks later I came across [movie]. I found it equally enlightening, but I chose to observe instead of experience the material.

Currently I'm moving into the "fix myself and help others" mode. I'm going to be working tactile orgonite in hopes of clearing up our area and possibly that will help others to entrain with these positive energies and awaken to their truths.

Am I interfering with freewill? I don't believe I am. Their innate wisdom will decide whether to entrain or not (I believe).

Peace.
JD

[jdlejeune]

TWVA, could you share your take on that quote?

[twva]

TWVA, could you share your take on that quote?

It's so easy, when you go to sites like Alex Jones's, to start thinking things like "those b******s, how dare they! We've got to stop them. We've got to fight them." That's a bellicose attitude and needs to be handled with care.

Ra says that we can polarize somewhat towards the positive by heroic actions which attempt to aid others. In this context I would see attempting to educate others as a kind of heroic action.

But the highest and most light-filled response, Ra seems to imply, is to attempt to love even those who are trying to manipulate and enslave you. Matthew 5:44 -- "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

[SuperManny]

So as far as what Ra says in regards to the Law of One... are we supposed to ignore the real world events/conspiracy's that have become very apparent.

Look at them, and see them as the creator. See yourself as the creator. All is one. If you want to heal this, look at what they represent in you, and work on healing that. If you can heal that inside of you, then you will not see it happening all around you, because it will have no effect on you.

[Ewhaz]

One thing I seemed to pick up from this sight was that in a way, focusing on yourself was a way to help others.

When you work on your attitudes and your focus, you begin to influence those around you, as well as attract thing that reflect those attitudes and that focus. This is the law of one and the law of attraction both at work. So if you begin with your attitudes about those around you, in your little circle and those things in your life that you need to work on or are called to work on, then your already doing your part.

If your working on being more loving, more at peace, more light filled and more caring etc then that will radiate naturally to all those around you without you having to go out and say feed the homeless one person at a time.. Now mind you I am not saying that we should all stay home and just be loving and peaceful, the world still needs the workers and the laborers and that goes for all loving acts as well. If one feels called, then one should answer. If you feel a great need to go out and feed the homeless then by all means do so! Others of us may understand that to work on ourselves and our attitudes is its own good work and may be a chore in and of itself!

If every one on the planet became overtly concerned with external affairs, its easy to see how we would simply forget to tend to our own lives. Part of love is loving yourself and being responsible for that self. So we each need to find the balance between loving ourselves and loving others, and all actions respective to each of those.

We are all painfully aware of the lieng, cheating and stealing, manipulating and all of the terrible things going on in the world and happening in the back allies of governments.. There is no doubt that it needs to change. There are, however, Many many ways that it can and ( I'm pretty sure) will be done. Working on your attitudes will help others wake up by raising the ambient emotional vibration around the world. By being loving and peaceful we will help others awaken to the fact that there are things working against that love and that peace. When that awakening reaches critical mass things are going to get interesting. Have faith!

Blessings and love to you all!

[ThinkingWolf]

But the highest and most light-filled response, Ra seems to imply, is to attempt to love even those who are trying to manipulate and enslave you.

I agree, and never-the-less refuse.

Call me spiritually immature if you will... keep me in 3D, but I believe that these "people" know full well what they are doing to the world's population. I will try not to expend energy negatively, but will absolutely NOT attempt to send any positive energy "their" way. Neutral is the best I will offer - but that would be a great effort - for ME anyway.

Obviously angry would be an understatement for me, and I am honestly amazed how anyone living through this would not be.

[HeavyFlea]

But the highest and most light-filled response, Ra seems to imply, is to attempt to love even those who are trying to manipulate and enslave you. Matthew 5:44 -- "But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

This is exactly what I want to think towards the situation... it is so freakin difficult when you look at what these other selves are doing. Perhaps I'm stuck too much in reality and not thinking spiritually enough? I can do it as far as myself goes, but picture your family / friends put in camps much like the Nazi's... What do you do with that? Picture innocent people by the hundred's of thousands being killed because these few think it's the right way.

I agree with ThinkingWolf, while I'm trying not to think negatively... how can anyone within skin honestly feel any amount of good towards these people. I know I'm supposed to try from the words of RA... and I'd like to have that 'faith' but holy crap... can you imagine standing by and watching this happen in the faith knowing that something better is coming and it never does? I mean imagine the worst, and then times that by 10. This is the reality the have planned for us. I hope something happens in 2012 I hope a shift in consciousness happens, but the general public seems so asleep. Shouldn't it be our will to defend our will?

I guess that's what faith is. I'm just not that strong... yet.

[charles obscure]

I agree, and never-the-less refuse.

Call me spiritually immature if you will... keep me in 3D, but I believe that these "people" know full well what they are doing to the world's population. I will try not to expend energy negatively, but will absolutely NOT attempt to send any positive energy "their" way. Neutral is the best I will offer - but that would be a great effort - for ME anyway.

Obviously angry would be an understatement for me, and I am honestly amazed how anyone living through this would not be.

I see where you are coming from, however, I think the distortion comes from our very limited viewpoint. 3rd density is an extremely brief period of experience, in which catalyst is generally very intense. The nature of negative energy is to attract - to pull all in towards it. That is what one is experiencing when they react in such ways (ie anger) to the negative. By not being able to love them, one is in fact not loving or remaining 'neutral' to an aspect of themselves. Do you think it is them you are hurting through such things? Is it coincidence that Ra refers to love as a 'form of attack' when describing its origins in the LoO series?

As it is stated in certain extreme cases Ra has pointed out it is virtually impossible even for the most positive of entities, to remain positive when completely inundated and surrounded by negativity. So perhaps innately we are all both positive AND negative.

When pondering things in this light, it can become apparent that they are just different versions of the same creator, responding to catalyst in different ways, thus enriching the over all experience of the one creator. As it is stated in the Ra material to serve the self - is to serve the all.

To then distance one self further from the idea of seperation we can see that any experience they may be gaining from such paths, is in fact also our experience. At this point one can realize that to find love within the self in the face of such catalyst is no small feat in itself. But to do so, is to polarize greatly and to have an experience extremely rich in the gaining of wisdom and compassion. We have such opportunity in this very moment. Ultimately the two choices are one in the same. So I would say, go all the way with whatever choice one makes... Choose a path of darkness or if you are going to love them/yourself, love them and go all the way with it. Anything else (ie neutral) will only dilute one's own stream of energy.

[MarkM]

For anyone, anger can be the fitting and appropriate reaction, no one can tell you different. I'm not trying to be sarcastic, at all. You have your feelings and thoughts, the ones you are supposed to have at this time, and this will keep you, rightfully, on the road of becoming.

That's the wonder of this place, in that the war-like or controlling nature of some people becomes the challenging catalyst of others, and is then returned back to the world as a varied form of energy, perhaps now catalyst of an altered sort for countless others.

It's like the world consists of countless interconnected feedback loops, an exchange and trade-off of energies contained in one giant dedicated system acting as a 'stepping up' transformer of energy as we all do our part of the action/reaction dance necessary to move, mix, swirl and share these energies around.

We are all emotionally evolved to some extent and colour, with the 'pageant'. Although we can agree with and comprehend the higher spiritual 'admonitions' to percieve the energetic unity of this apparent great, multivaried energy transforming system, we're still apt to get enmeshed somewhat in various facets of it.

We weren't put here to ignore the realities of this place, perhaps rather to pass through the various stages of desired evolving, represented and facilitated by the mocked up situations provided. I'm not trying to downplay the very real horrors of war, genocide, slavery, etc.

Ever have a terrible nightmare where you suffer some traumatic, monstrous situation, only to wake up and say, thank god, it wasn't real, it has no permanence?

Well, it was pretty real, while it lasted, and despite it being 'only' a dream, may have some lingering effects on you. For me, that's kind of like what's happening here, this being another...a common area of the dreamscape, unreal in some sense yet leaving you changed after you have passed through, and keeping you locked in intrigue while you're here.

Now, this is a time of awakening. People are starting to become aware of the fact they're dreaming. Certainly not all of us, but a few. It's like the sounds of the morning being incorporated into the last moments of our dreams; we might be able to make the dream continue for a few more moments, but we've already half-opened one eye to sneak a peak at the clock.

There will soon be a parting of ways, between those are still submerged in the drama of their dreams on one hand, and those who have chosen to polarize (awaken) on either:

the path of unconditional acceptance of all conditions and unconditional love for others, which is represented by the dreamer awakening (graduating) from the dream into a world of higher harmonic resonance, love, joy, awareness, illumination, learning and compassion, or:

the path of unconditional desire to use all conditions and others for personal benefit, which is represented by awakening (graduating) from the dream into a world of endless intrigue, deception, shadow, war, control, separation and confusion.

All paths are acceptable, ultimately, unconditionally.

-Mark

[twva]

Obviously angry would be an understatement for me, and I am honestly amazed how anyone living through this would not be.

According to Ra anger is red-ray energy and hence unpolarized. It's all about how you use that strong energy.

The thing about Alex Jones, et al is how do you know you can trust them, either? Who's to say they're not part of the CIA's mighty wurlitzer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mighty_Wurlitzer_(media))? After all, Ra mentions a UFO-building factory in Mexico and bases near the North Pole, in the Caribbean, off of Chile, and on the moon and yet, as far as I know, that information is nowhere to be found on the internet.

The other point I'd like to make is that in Ra's suggestions about how Don, Carla, and Jim should handle their interaction with their fifth-density negative friend we have an excellent model for ourselves. Because our third-density negative elite is surely the (possibly unwitting) pawn of fourth-density Orion crusaders, who are themselves the minions of fifth-density negative. And we've already been told how to relate to fifth-density negative!

Questioner: We have a paradoxical situation with respect to serving the Creator. We have requests, from those whom we serve in this density, for Ra’s information. However, we have requests from another density not to disseminate this information. We have portions of the Creator requesting two seemingly opposite activities of this group. It would be very helpful if we could reach the condition of full service in such a way that we were by every thought and activity serving the Creator to the very best of our ability. Is it possible for you to solve, or for the fifth-density entity who offers its service to solve, this paradox which I have observed?

Ra: I am Ra. It is quite possible.

Questioner: Then how could we solve this paradox?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, that you have no ability not to serve the Creator since all is the Creator. You do not have merely two opposite requests for information or lack of information from this source if you listen careful to those whose voices you may hear. This is all one voice to which you resonate upon a certain frequency. This frequency determines your choice of service to the One Creator. As it happens this group’s vibratory patterns and those of Ra are compatible and enable us to speak through this instrument with your support. This is a function of free will.

A portion, seemingly of the Creator, rejoices at your choice to question us regarding the evolution of spirit. A seemingly separate portion would wish for multidinous answers to a great range of queries of a specific nature. Another seemingly separate group of your peoples would wish this correspondence through this instrument to cease, feeling it to be of a negative nature. Upon the many other planes of existence there are those whose every fiber rejoices at your service and those such as the entity of whom you have been speaking which wish only to terminate the life upon the third-density plane of this instrument. All are the Creator. There is one vast panoply of biases and distortions, colors and hues, in an unending pattern. In the case of those with whom you, as entities and as a group, are not in resonance, you wish them love, light, peace, joy, and bid them well. No more than this can you do for your portion of the Creator is as it is and your experience and offering of experience, to be valuable, needs be more and more a perfect representation of who you truly are. Could you, then, serve a negative entity by offering the instrument’s life? It is unlikely that you would find this a true service. Thus you may see in many cases the loving balance being achieved, the love being offered, light being sent, and the service of the service-to-self oriented entity gratefully acknowledged while being rejected as not being useful in your journey at this time. Thus you serve One Creator without paradox.

Questioner: Then there is no other service at this time that we can offer that fifth-density entity of the Orion group who is constantly with us. As I see it now from your point of view there is nothing that we can do for him? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. There is great humor in your attempt to be of polarized service to the opposite polarity. There is a natural difficulty in doing so since what you consider service is considered by this entity non-service. As you send this entity love and light and wish it well it loses its polarity and needs to regroup.

Thus it would not consider your service as such. On the other hand, if you allowed it to be of service by removing this instrument from your midst you might perhaps perceive this as not being of service. You have here a balanced and polarized view of the Creator; two services offered, mutually rejected, and in a state of equilibrium in which free will is preserved and each allowed to go upon its own path of experiencing the One Infinite Creator.

Questioner: Thank you. In closing that part of the discussion I would just say that if there is anything that we can do that is within our ability—and I understand that there are many things such as the ones that you just mentioned that are not within our ability—that we could do for this particular entity, if you would in the future communicate its requests to us we will at least consider them because we would like to serve in every respect. Is this agreeable to you?

Ra: I am Ra. We perceive that we have not been able to clarify your service versus its desire for service. You need, in our humble opinion, to look at the humor of the situation and relinquish your desire to serve where no service is requested. The magnet will attract or repel. Glory in the strength of your polarization and allow others of opposite polarity to similarly do so, seeing the great humor of this polarity and its complications in view of the unification in sixth-density of these two paths.

[jdlejeune]

So if I understand some of this, there is no right or wrong choice. What is simply IS the Creator in a multitude of forms.

If so this kind of makes me feel purposeless :confused:

[twva]

So if I understand some of this, there is no right or wrong choice. What is simply IS the Creator in a multitude of forms.

If so this kind of makes me feel purposeless :confused:

Maybe focus on what you do want instead of what you don't want.

"See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;"

I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure.

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

[MarkM]

I look at it this way (and this is just an interpretation of my own:) )

We're kind of like facets of god himself, sent out into his creation, wiped clean of all experience. Thus, our beginning to learn of our world, for each of us, are ways for god to experience innocence, newness and learning.

When we watch a new infant learn to use a spoon, and gets more over himself than in his mouth, we smile and say, "That's not the right way to use a spoon!"

But we know that's alright, because we know he is learning, and this a necessary process, although we expect he will soon stop enriching the palette of the wallpaper, and start enriching his own palate!

So, right and wrong will always be a relative, subjective thing in our frame of reference. They are real concepts to us in our becoming, definable and applicable only with regards to our particular stage of becoming. It's okay to make mistakes in this light, but we are not without the upward push of maturing. We don't want to be 30 years old, and still wearing a bib! That would be just...wrong! :eek:

So, I guess the message is that we are granted full freedom to make all the 'subjective' mistakes we need to make, in our becoming. God has infinite patience with us...after all, we are him, experiencing life.

Also, consider the great service you provide god, just by your unique way of experiencing! What greater purpose can there be?

And in the ultimate scheme of things, all right and wrong resolves into Oneness, somewhere down the road.:p

-Mark

[ThinkingWolf]

"I am Ra. We can speak only in metaphor. Some love the light. Some love the darkness. It is a matter of the unique and infinitely various Creator choosing and playing among its experiences as a child upon a picnic. Some enjoy the picnic and find the sun beautiful, the food delicious, the games refreshing, and glow with the joy of creation. Some find the night delicious, their picnic being pain, difficulty, sufferings of others, and the examination of the perversities of nature. These enjoy a different picnic.

All these experiences are available. It is the free will of each entity which chooses the form of play, the form of pleasure."


Right now, I wish to be left alone... to raise my children as I see fit. It seems that I cannot accomplish this given the "government" as it is.

Must I change my life, such as it is, so as to avoid those who are seemingly FORCING their will upon me and mine?

Of what free will does Ra speak???

[twva]

Right now, I wish to be left alone... to raise my children as I see fit. It seems that I cannot accomplish this given the "government" as it is.

Must I change my life, such as it is, so as to avoid those who are seemingly FORCING their will upon me and mine?

Of what free will does Ra speak???


I am sorry to hear that you are being messed with. My deepest sympathies. I understand better now where your anger is coming from.

This is the quote that your post made me think of. Not sure how reassuring it is, though:
I am Ra. The possibility/probabilities exist for situations in which great portions of your continent and the globe in general might be involved in the type of warfare which you might liken to guerrilla warfare. The ideal of freedom from the so-called invading force of either the controlled fascism or the equally controlled social common ownership of all things would stimulate great quantities of contemplation upon the great polarization implicit in the contrast between freedom and control. In this scenario which is being considered at this time/space nexus the idea of obliterating valuable sites and personnel would not be considered an useful one. Other weapons would be used which do not destroy as your nuclear arms would. In this on-going struggle the light of freedom would burn within the mind/body/spirit complexes capable of such polarization. Lacking the opportunity for overt expression of the love of freedom, the seeking for inner knowledge would take root aided by those of the Brothers and Sisters of Sorrow which remember their calling upon this sphere.

It sounds like the fight has already been brought to you and to some extent you have no good alternative other than to fight back. If that's the case, I'd just encourage you to try to keep your heart open as you fight. Always remember that it's possible for us as a planet to choose that one container of "peace, love, light, and joy." Miracles do happen and bureaucrats do have hearts, though they may try to deny it.

Peace and strength to you, my friend.

[AmelieJolie]

Forgiveness:
We don't have to tolerate the existence of cruelty/ evil in itself.

But if we can realize that those who do evil things to others, are this way because they have completely forgotten who they are......

then we can love those who do evil, without having to love what they do.

[ThinkingWolf]

Forgiveness:
... those who do evil things to others, are this way because they have completely forgotten who they are......


This is what I strongly disagree with.

I am somewhat capable of protecting myself and family, but millions, perhaps billions suffer under these overlords, with no recourse whatsoever. You and I see this every day - so do those in control. They are reminded, as if it were necessary, of the world's masses misery routinely... they designed this state after all. These people have access to the cure - of every ill you can imagine - yet it is withheld purposefully.

Maybe I was one of them in a previous incarnation and this is my "punishment."

What they do is who they are.

[MarkM]

I can't help but wonder about the concept of our collective, human, group consciousness in relation to our discussions of human suffering at the hands of other humans.

When one looks at the scope of such tragedies as genocide, war, starvation, whole cultures and nations subjected to the privation of basic human rights and so on, it is possible to conjecture that these things exist in some part as a result of the free will choices of the unified human consciousness.

Much as the individual cells and cell groups of a person exist together under the umbrella of the individuated consciousness of the person, we as individual persons and groups of persons (cultures, nations, races, etc.) may exist under the individuated consciousness of Humanity.

A cigarette smoker subjects billions of his body's cells to the harmful effects of the poisonous chemicals contained in cigarette smoke. This isn't necessarily the result of any thing deserved by an individual cell, but that cell is seemingly without recourse. Many undeserving people have died in the gulags and death camps of the world.

An evolving person is prone to errors in judgement; we can be downright self-destructive. We can cause different parts of our bodies to war against each other.

We are taught in the Law of One that here in third density, this is a necessary feature of growth; that we will continue to butt our heads until we learn to move with the flow of universal love energy. In mind of this, I wonder how much this applies to the growth and evolution of the greater Human organism, so to speak?

It's naive errors of judgement may necessarily involve much suffering of its constituent parts, namely us. Maybe our individual karmic situation can be steamrolled by the 'greater' needs of the becoming of humanity at large? I personally doubt that everyone who died at Auschwitz somehow, karmically, deserved their fate.

I suspect, nevertheless, that when a person finds themselves faced with being at the end of the barrels of such big guns, they have a rare opportunity to develop their spiritual character, although the grace of acceptance of a situation doesn't mean you don't take any available steps to change the situation towards a more just outcome.

Some at Auschwitz had achieved a state of unconditional love and acceptance of all conditions and other selves, and by their example, undoubtably provided great catalyst, succour and hope to many others in that situation. In such a situation, much accelerated soul growth of both victim and persecuter is the potential.

And herein lies the potential for recourse.

In any situation is the potential for positive gain. It seems we are well advised to adjust our perspective to see positive potential when all seems negative. Perhaps the acceptance of a seeming intractable negative situation is the first step towards transcending its influence, as outer conditions tend to mimic inner ones.

I've seen this approach work in my own life.

-Mark

[ThinkingWolf]

Thank you Mark.

It remains very difficult for me to accept that the suffering on this huge scale is necessary. Maybe I am destined for another round of 3D... I can accept that - my thoughts seem to direct me that way.

I am selfish... as unenlightened as it is, I want my children to have a life of learning, love and growth - this is difficult for me to provide, and I'm sure many others, while being suffocated by this ridiculous money-grubbing and power-hungry city/state/country (U.S.A.).

Is bearing witness to the horrors of unending war, perpetuated "fear" and slavery a requisite course for some so young? Do they gain anything from this exposure... and what about those youngsters IN the midst of the "action?"

Life lessons??

[jdlejeune]

Very interesting replies folks. I'm seeing to nurture the presence of grace in my being so that, moment-to-moment, I can live in the state of awareness described here.

Knowing that we create "this" is one thing. Constantly changing it is something else.

[MarkM]

Thank you Mark.

It remains very difficult for me to accept that the suffering on this huge scale is necessary. Maybe I am destined for another round of 3D... I can accept that - my thoughts seem to direct me that way.

I am selfish... as unenlightened as it is, I want my children to have a life of learning, love and growth - this is difficult for me to provide, and I'm sure many others, while being suffocated by this ridiculous money-grubbing and power-hungry city/state/country (U.S.A.).

Is bearing witness to the horrors of unending war, perpetuated "fear" and slavery a requisite course for some so young? Do they gain anything from this exposure... and what about those youngsters IN the midst of the "action?"

Life lessons??

Something very eye-opening from Dr. Scott Mandelker that pertains to this conversation:

http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles2/crisis1.html


Understandably, we who seek love/wisdom (both personally and collectively) lament the perpetual darkness of Earth's global culture. Endless warfare, institutional corruption and deceit, vast socioeconomic injustice, education and media folly, mind control commercialism and discord in family relations -- all such common features of human society cause Wanderers and all who care great sorrow and pain.


And yet, our pain is due to our perspective, and our perspective is based on subtle assumptions, many of which disregard Divine Plan and more specifically, the role of Earth in galactic soul evolution. Of course, few souls here venture past their own personal distortions, let alone try to comprehend esoterics of global function in cosmic relief.


Our common view is simple and justified by common sense; however, it is childish when held up to consideration of Logoic Plan and primacy of the Law of Free Will in interdimensional soul evolution. The common spiritual novice view is this:


Human/cosmic evil is bad and should be
opposed and eliminated.


This notion stems from our own subjective bias that values love and all it implies: equity, justice, freedom, goodwill, and harmonious social structure -- and there is nothing inherently wrong in it. However, all that exists is allowed to exist, and the Creator has granted primacy to free will in soul progression to allow us to choose our own paths of polarized self-development (what RA terms "service to self" and "service to other" -- the ways of seeking separation and/or unity).

love/light/wisdom,

-Mark

[Earthcat]

This is the struggle that Shakespeare spoke of and has been bugging me since birth...


To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them? To die: to sleep;
No more; and by a sleep to say we end
The heart-ache and the thousand natural shocks
That flesh is heir to, 'tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wish'd. To die, to sleep;
To sleep: perchance to dream: ay, there's the rub;
For in that sleep of death what dreams may come
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause: there's the respect
That makes calamity of so long life;
For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's contumely,
The pangs of despised love, the law's delay,
The insolence of office and the spurns
That patient merit of the unworthy takes,
When he himself might his quietus make
With a bare bodkin? who would fardels bear,
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscover'd country from whose bourn
No traveller returns, puzzles the will
And makes us rather bear those ills we have
Than fly to others that we know not of?
Thus conscience does make cowards of us all;
And thus the native hue of resolution
Is sicklied o'er with the pale cast of thought,
And enterprises of great pith and moment
With this regard their currents turn awry,
And lose the name of action. - Soft you now!
The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in thy orisons
Be all my sins remember'd.


This guy was a Wanderer. I see the Bushys, the numbnutz figurehead and his throng, and what hey have done to this planet and anger swells. We are all one, we are all the One Infinite Creator experiencing itself. And since we are all one, everything is one, there is nothing in this or any universe that is not part of the One, then this thing that we call evil is also part of the One. And our love polarized reaction to this distortion of God's free will is also valid. "Rage, rage against the dying of the light".

Namaste
Lovea and Light,
Glenn

[HeavyFlea]

hmm.. very interesting comments. After some thinking time I have a couple thoughts.

I do think everything, including suffering has it's purpose. I lean towards thinking all is lessons and if you can take an outside perspective, ie. not being emotionally caught up, I think even from a 3d perspective the worst can have it's 'benefits'.

Another thing I can't pull my mind away from, and I kind of hope to steer the direction of the conversation this way... What if we are in a 3rd density service to self realm??? Consider this. Every decision we really make is in actuality STS. There is no complete unselfish actions, not here in this reality anyway. Can anyone provide a pure example of an completely unselfish act? Think about it carefully, because I'm sure you can find a reason for why that action is actually STS. Why did the person really do it? I personally, if honest with myself, can't find one.

Does RA say or hint at anything like this?

I did find some info to this regard... basically, the human race is in a 3rd density STS realm. How when the "shift" happens, those who desire to be STO are candidates for 4th density STO. Everything that RA says as far as my understanding still applies, the choice etc. This doesn't disagree with what RA states, unless I've missed something along the way. But I don't think RA ever really says this specifically, but never mentions earth in STO space either.

It's very interesting... I'm reading everything carefully as we all should with new material. Nothing's perfect, even the Ra Material, and alot is open to interpretation as it should be. So I take what feels right and leave the rest. This explanation of us being in a STS realm makes a lot of sense if you look at human history and the world today. We can desire to be of STO, but desire is is STS.

If in fact it's accurate.. what would a STO 3rd density realm be like? If we could be in full service to others with nothing in it for the self. Not because we wanted to (want is STS) but because that's what we are. What would that reality really be like? We can't imagine it, because perhaps we are not there.

If we aren't in STO or STS, it's in between... how does that work? How can this realm be either or? Does the cosmos work that way? Not in the examples I've seen... areas of space are either STO or STS, as far as I've read. So how could it be both. It has to be one or the other but we still have freewill choice because it hasn't been decided that this is where we want to be? Unless it can be both at 3d, but I don't remember any comments from Ra on this.

This isn't to say we are all STS... Just the realm we currently reside. In fact an explanation to the frustrations of those who think the world has gone mad or just can't fit in etc. Could it be because they are really at some level STO in a STS realm. Is the human race or parts of really STO in STS space?

I'm still very much tossing this idea around in my head, sorry if this was hard to read... your thoughts are appreciated!

[ThinkingWolf]

Very interesting HF.

[charles obscure]

hmm.. very interesting comments. After some thinking time I have a couple thoughts.

I do think everything, including suffering has it's purpose. I lean towards thinking all is lessons and if you can take an outside perspective, ie. not being emotionally caught up, I think even from a 3d perspective the worst can have it's 'benefits'.

Another thing I can't pull my mind away from, and I kind of hope to steer the direction of the conversation this way... What if we are in a 3rd density service to self realm??? Consider this. Every decision we really make is in actuality STS. There is no complete unselfish actions, not here in this reality anyway. Can anyone provide a pure example of an completely unselfish act? Think about it carefully, because I'm sure you can find a reason for why that action is actually STS. Why did the person really do it? I personally, if honest with myself, can't find one.

Does RA say or hint at anything like this?

I did find some info to this regard... basically, the human race is in a 3rd density STS realm. How when the "shift" happens, those who desire to be STO are candidates for 4th density STO. Everything that RA says as far as my understanding still applies, the choice etc. This doesn't disagree with what RA states, unless I've missed something along the way. But I don't think RA ever really says this specifically, but never mentions earth in STO space either.

It's very interesting... I'm reading everything carefully as we all should with new material. Nothing's perfect, even the Ra Material, and alot is open to interpretation as it should be. So I take what feels right and leave the rest. This explanation of us being in a STS realm makes a lot of sense if you look at human history and the world today. We can desire to be of STO, but desire is is STS.

If in fact it's accurate.. what would a STO 3rd density realm be like? If we could be in full service to others with nothing in it for the self. Not because we wanted to (want is STS) but because that's what we are. What would that reality really be like? We can't imagine it, because perhaps we are not there.

If we aren't in STO or STS, it's in between... how does that work? How can this realm be either or? Does the cosmos work that way? Not in the examples I've seen... areas of space are either STO or STS, as far as I've read. So how could it be both. It has to be one or the other but we still have freewill choice because it hasn't been decided that this is where we want to be? Unless it can be both at 3d, but I don't remember any comments from Ra on this.

This isn't to say we are all STS... Just the realm we currently reside. In fact an explanation to the frustrations of those who think the world has gone mad or just can't fit in etc. Could it be because they are really at some level STO in a STS realm. Is the human race or parts of really STO in STS space?

I'm still very much tossing this idea around in my head, sorry if this was hard to read... your thoughts are appreciated!

I think 3rd density is always both STO AND STS. Hence the term 'freewill' experience. Only 4th and 5th density can be purely STS or STO.

Of course there can be planets that the majority go one way or the other etc. But this 3d planet is not a STS realm. STS is often the easier more obvious choice within the context of the illusion, and of ~seperation. The illusion itself, one's physical surroundings, I suspect symbolizes the path of negativity. That is probably why it takes 95% STS to be harvestable negatively compared to 51% STO. Both paths probably requiring an equal amount of dedication at those percentages.

[MarkM]

Another thing I can't pull my mind away from, and I kind of hope to steer the direction of the conversation this way... What if we are in a 3rd density service to self realm??? Consider this. Every decision we really make is in actuality STS. There is no complete unselfish actions, not here in this reality anyway. Can anyone provide a pure example of an completely unselfish act? Think about it carefully, because I'm sure you can find a reason for why that action is actually STS. Why did the person really do it? I personally, if honest with myself, can't find one.

I recall Ra mentioning that it is just as difficult to achieve 51% service to others as it is to achieve 95% service to self, the reason being that although there is a greater propensity for those on the STS path to encounter the diffusion and draining of polarized energetic charge on the level of their developing social memory complex due to an inherent lack of cooperative trust amongst their members, the difficulty on the STO path is that a loving, accepting, forgiving response to catalyst is much more difficult than a more reactive response characterized by STS.

That being said, Ra tells us that those at 51% or greater on the STO path greatly outnumber those at 95% or greater STS. I gather from Ra that this is the bellwether that determines that this planet leans more towards being a positively oriented planet.

Ra draws no distinction between these two opposite polarities in that both represent service to the One Infinite Creator ie., service to others and service to self are each viewed as a valid means of 'becoming' the creator, in the context of the polarized densities viewed from the higher.

Indeed, from Ra's viewpoint in sixth density, there is only 'service', the distinction of STO vs. STS being an illusary distortion of the middle densities.

From this, one may speculate that, as there is service to self in a service to others act, there is service to others in a service to self act. Can you imagine a STO act that contains no trace of STS? Likewise, can you imagine a STS act that contains no STO? Perhaps equally challenging.

Ra carries on at length about how the nature of our personal experiences in life mirror our state of mind/body/spirit. If we tend to percieve naught but madness, confusion, discord and strife in our lives it is a function of who we are inside, our inner percieved reality.

If we tend to percieve more of love, harmony, illumination and goodwill in mankind, well, same applies. This is a function of the Law of Attraction, which is itself one function of the Law of Free Will.

Of course, there are variables, there are going to be exceptions to this; those more positively percieving will get stung, and those tending to dwell on the more negative will be pleasantly surprised by a loving condition, but the truism prevails.

It is a paradox that heaven and hell both exist here, subjectively, and through the use or non use of the forgiveness mechanism we find our subjective reality.

Ra tells us that forgiveness of other selves, conditions and events equals forgiveness of self. Forgiveness deactivates karma, and frees us from an infinite variety of repetitive cycles of experience/catalyst. Here, forgiveness equals acceptance, understanding, integration of and the learning of the 'lesson'. To maintain bitterness is to refresh the impetus of the repetitive cycle.

Those who choose the STS path react to the catalyst in their lives by entrenching and building their personal bulwarks of power and influences over other people and conditions, feeling that this is service to others, offering perhaps their heartfelt and honest conviction that this form of heirarchy and order is the only viable alternative to chaos and dissolution of the world around them.

A strongly polarized STS can enjoy much 'success' in life in 3D, and can actually access the gateway to Intelligent Infinity..or, to put it colloquially, touch the mind of god. This, though, becomes a road of endless strife and pain which will eventually have to be turned away from, by 6D.

I'll happily leave this path to others, as I have chosen the other.

Indeed, the great mystery, beauty, love, magnificence and wonder that exists equally in this world, in each of us, and in a grain of sand can increasingly inspire thankfulness and gratitude to no end!:)

Or not.

We will all entrain our focus as only we see fit; we are totally, personally responsible for all our choices.

Mark

[Happystrings]

This is exactly what I want to think towards the situation... it is so freakin difficult when you look at what these other selves are doing. Perhaps I'm stuck too much in reality and not thinking spiritually enough? I can do it as far as myself goes, but picture your family / friends put in camps much like the Nazi's... What do you do with that? Picture innocent people by the hundred's of thousands being killed because these few think it's the right way.

I agree with ThinkingWolf, while I'm trying not to think negatively... how can anyone within skin honestly feel any amount of good towards these people. I know I'm supposed to try from the words of RA... and I'd like to have that 'faith' but holy crap... can you imagine standing by and watching this happen in the faith knowing that something better is coming and it never does? I mean imagine the worst, and then times that by 10. This is the reality the have planned for us. I hope something happens in 2012 I hope a shift in consciousness happens, but the general public seems so asleep. Shouldn't it be our will to defend our will?

I guess that's what faith is. I'm just not that strong... yet.


My take on the souls doing unpleasant 'things' is to love the soul and not condone or approve the action. It comes down to the issue of drawing a line. Where does one draw the line between an action that one approves and one that you do not approve? All killing is bad but what about mercy killing? Abortion? Self-defense? Regardless of the soul personality's action we are all one.

Because of that, the more I heal myself the more I heal them. The cleaner my soul is of negative baggage, the cleaner the world is. And, sometimes it really feels like I am cleaning out stuff that isn't mine but got stuck in my very DNA along the way. When I find the courage, or need, or whatever it takes to dig down and feel the anger, rage, hate, dispair, fear, etc. and let it have its way with me and then be gone I am that much freer. And when I follow that with forgiveness, the light shines even brighter in me and my life.

I don't dispair about the general public. I see the awareness of a change or shift seeping into lots of the conversation around me. Certainly, not all of it is sophisticated and well-educated, but it is there. Hang in there. The best is coming!

[HeavyFlea]

I think 3rd density is always both STO AND STS. Hence the term 'freewill' experience. Only 4th and 5th density can be purely STS or STO.

Why couldn't you still have free will in a STS or STO realm. I'm taking "realm" as an area of space, not the individual entities themselves. Freewill would be throughout all densities? Would it not? I'd love to see a quote from RA saying this if possible.


Of course there can be planets that the majority go one way or the other etc. But this 3d planet is not a STS realm. STS is often the easier more obvious choice within the context of the illusion, and of ~seperation. The illusion itself, one's physical surroundings, I suspect symbolizes the path of negativity. That is probably why it takes 95% STS to be harvestable negatively compared to 51% STO. Both paths probably requiring an equal amount of dedication at those percentages.

Is it the planets location within space, or the entities that define what a planet's polarity is? As far as I read it, maybe it could be seperate. So could the people be mixed between STO and STS... but the realm, the area our solar system is in... can it really vibrate in both? Can a location in space be both? I've yet to see a quote from RA that distinguishes this.

"The illusion itself, one's physical surroundings, I suspect symbolizes the path of negativity."

I was wondering... could it be the nature of 1 - 3 to be STS? Survival of the fittest type of thing. The enviroment... Perhaps you have to take care of yourself first, before making the choice, then if it is STO you ascend through in a STO area of space?

I don't think a lot is absolutely clear in the RA material, and was meant to be open for this type of discussion? Notice how they always say... the desire to serve, or the want to be in service to others. As in hinting perhaps that the %51 is not actual service to others... it's the desire to be that could really count??? And that's what might make you a candidate for STO 4d? And graduate out of 3d STS, maybe there is no 3d STO at all?? This would not take freewill out of the equation, you still are who you are.

I think RA left things unclear so these topics would be discussed.

[HeavyFlea]

That being said, Ra tells us that those at 51% or greater on the STO path greatly outnumber those at 95% or greater STS. I gather from Ra that this is the bellwether that determines that this planet leans more towards being a positively oriented planet.

Would that mean the planet was both as were we? Still somewhat curious on what exactly decides a planets polarity. I remember Ra saying the planet was moving (now is) into 4d positive space. But we are not all STO beings. Maybe 51% (+) of us.. But not many are supposed to be and 51% of the population is massive! So what is earth? Is she/he/it a being? Then wouldn't she have freewill? That's confusing. If the solar system is moving her in 4d STO... seems the decision was made for her.

But now I'm wondering if I'm screwing up the concepts of positive = STO and negative = STS. Is 4d positive space not the same as 4d STO space?


Ra draws no distinction between these two opposite polarities in that both represent service to the One Infinite Creator ie., service to others and service to self are each viewed as a valid means of 'becoming' the creator, in the context of the polarized densities viewed from the higher.

To break out of the good or bad right or wrong and view everything, honestly, as equal has to be one of the hardest things to do. At times I think I can get pretty close. (polarity being negative and positive and how we tend to emotionally view those concepts makes it tricky too.)


From this, one may speculate that, as there is service to self in a service to others act, there is service to others in a service to self act. Can you imagine a STO act that contains no trace of STS? Likewise, can you imagine a STS act that contains no STO? Perhaps equally challenging.

I was thinking about this today. And maybe not only in the action itself, but who perceives it. With freewill would it really matter what the action is to outside viewers because of their own will... is it how they would perceive it that would make it either STO or STS or whatever percentage combo in between. Maybe your intention decides for yourself what it is, or it's decided by a mixture of all selves involved. So maybe every decision/action is weighed cosmically on how much STO or STS it is?

[MarkM]

I think there may be a need to distinguish between two concepts, here. One is that Earth is moving into an area of the galaxy in which a higher concentration of energy allows the planet to re-adjust the geometry of it's web of energetic fields in order to facilitate the instreaming of the fourth density geometric patterns of energies.

The other concept is that of STO vs. STS in terms of positive/negative polarity. This concept applies to beings beginning in third density; namely, us.

I have never gathered personally that a planetary Logos such as Earth is subject to such a stipulation, or that an area of space is subject to being positive or negative, per se.

I would suspect that a planet exists in all the densities 'simultaneously', and what we would think of as the changing of the planet from 3D to 4D is more accurately a change in our own ability to percieve and partake in the fourth density aspect of the planet.

Perhaps the planetary transition currently taking place energizes the 4D aspect of the planet for our benefit so we can live in it when we become 4D, much as a person moving through a house enters a room and turns the light on (although we understand the room was 'there' previously, just not occupied).

So, perhaps questions of a planet's being 4D pos. or neg. only pertain to the planet insofar as it hosts a social memory complex of either 4d pos. or neg. polarity. In other words, maybe it's not the planet itself which varies according to the polarity of it's denizens. Perhaps it just so happens in our case that this planet will host a positively polarized group, hence we call it a 4D positive planet. Perhaps it could just as well host 4D neg. bipeds.

Anyway, I consider myself at best an intermediate level Ra scholar. These 'working concepts' may change as I study more.:rolleyes:

-Mark

[charles obscure]

[QUOTE=HeavyFlea;25415]Why couldn't you still have free will in a STS or STO realm. I'm taking "realm" as an area of space, not the individual entities themselves. Freewill would be throughout all densities? Would it not? I'd love to see a quote from RA saying this if possible. [QUOTE/]



Is it the planets location within space, or the entities that define what a planet's polarity is? As far as I read it, maybe it could be seperate. So could the people be mixed between STO and STS... but the realm, the area our solar system is in... can it really vibrate in both? Can a location in space be both? I've yet to see a quote from RA that distinguishes this.

"The illusion itself, one's physical surroundings, I suspect symbolizes the path of negativity."

I was wondering... could it be the nature of 1 - 3 to be STS? Survival of the fittest type of thing. The enviroment... Perhaps you have to take care of yourself first, before making the choice, then if it is STO you ascend through in a STO area of space?

I don't think a lot is absolutely clear in the RA material, and was meant to be open for this type of discussion? Notice how they always say... the desire to serve, or the want to be in service to others. As in hinting perhaps that the %51 is not actual service to others... it's the desire to be that could really count??? And that's what might make you a candidate for STO 4d? And graduate out of 3d STS, maybe there is no 3d STO at all?? This would not take freewill out of the equation, you still are who you are.

I think RA left things unclear so these topics would be discussed.

I also dont pretend to have all the answers, but the theory about earth residing in a STS area of space cannot be backed up by anything in the Ra material, and in fact would not make any sense at all considering the planet is about to make the jump to 4th density positive. Are densities 1-3 STS? There is nothing Ive read in the Ra material or anywhere else that would reinforce this theory. Our physical reality at the time being is like yin and yang. There are occurances of STS and STO that can be observed everywhere.

According to Ra as an entity advances along the path of StO there is always a certain amount of lost polarization due to a lack of sincerity on the part of the polarizing entity, this is to be expected. It requires patience and dedication to embody a true understanding of service to others. However, as far as intentions not everything has to be quite so complex and analyzed to the deepest levels, there are infinite occurances of people doing nice things for others without stopping to think: 'hey am I getting anything out of this? whats in it for me?' etc -- A passing smile, to let someone in during traffic, to pick up somebody's dropped books, etc these are occurances that may happen in a split second without conscious thought, and happen everywhere all the time. The energy from the sun just shines, it does not selectively pick out who to shine on. I dont know what better example of StO one could observe... It is easy to see infinite examples like this everyday around us all the time. StO is a natural part of our existence as is StS.

[eyez4096]

Ra seemed to make it clear that planets are not sub-sub-logoi as are humans/etc. Instead, the planet is permeated and is a sort of living-host which can become somehow a part of the inhabitant consciousness. Ra also states that 4d pos and neg cannot coexist on the same planetary sphere; this is sufficient reason for the earth to host EITHER pos or neg in 4d space. My interpretation from reading Ra is that the portion of harvestable pos will be much greater than the harvestable neg from the mixed harvest here. As such it could merely be a statistic that 4d pos would have larger numbers and "inherit the earth" so to speak. But I don't think this is the whole story.

Ra also speaks of pos and neg time/space orientations and mentions that the 4d aspect of earth is currently in time/space and not space/time. If the logos/sub-logos were creating the 4d earth in pos time/space it would make sense that the 4d space/time version which will eventually be potentiated will exist in the pos. But this is not a free will or deterministic issue; this is the more fundamental logoi having an impact on the way in which things play out. The earth exists as part of a sub-sub-logos iff (by my reading) she is being harmoniously worked with by a collection of sub-sub-logoi entities. Since she basically is not, she exists simply as an agent, so to speak, of the local sub-logos sun and more fundamental galactic logos.

If my understanding of Ra is remotely correct, then viewing earth as an entity that is conscious in the same manner as humans is somehow inconsistent. That is not to say that her/its consciousness is less or more, or any of this; simply she/it is to be understood differently. She/it is more closely related to the timeless/infinity/love/etc. than personifications truly express. Ra stated, if my memory serves me, that the only way for a planetary sphere to possess true "polarity" is to inherit it from a regularized populace of inhabitants. We're not currently regularized to any significant extent. She/it is not, therefor, "polarized" to any significant extent.

-Charles

I'll have to read more about these concepts to be sure that my memory is serving me well; for the most part I feel I have a reasonably solid intellectual-only understanding of its teachings. I've been proven wrong before, and surely will be again.

[twva]

Ra seemed to make it clear...

This post basically coincides with my understanding. Like you, I am somewhat fuzzy on the details, though.

[MarkM]

Thank you Charles, an 'eyes' opening post, to be sure!

From session 29:

Questioner: Then the planet which we walk upon here would be some form of sub-sub-Logos. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. A planetary entity is so named only as Logos if It is working in harmonic fashion with entities or mind/body complexes upon Its surface or within Its electromagnetic field.

Perhaps 2012 represents a crux of 'zero point reference', (such as described by David Wilcock, whereby time/space meets space/time, as when a human foetus becomes ensouled) at which 4D pos Earth in time/space flips over into space/time and in time is invested with Logoic status, (potentializer of intelligent infinity into archetypal patterns of experience and growth via the free will actualization of intelligent energy) as it now will host a harmonic group of positively oriented 4D 'humans'(?) [maybe, those who ascend will have to choose a new name for themselves?:) ]

Maybe a reciprocal action will be the flipping of the un-polarized balance of humanity into time/space on a 'reloaded' Earth, an idea posited by Wilcock, and seems to address the issue of Ra having stated that the transition period of Earth into full 4D activation will take an estimated 100 - 700 years?

If it takes several hundred years for all of these people to vacate this 3D time/space inner plane of Earth, perhaps some of the first 'service to others' activities by those brand new 4D entities will be 'ministering' to these folk, as the last vestiges of 3D experience gradually fade from the Earth scene, leaving Earth fully transitioned into 4D.

It's interesting to consider and muse upon the concept of a planet being so invested with Logoic status as a function of it's harmonic interaction and Oneness with we sub-sub-Logoi! I shall meditate on this, in hopes of further illumination. Maybe, here, we shall see a new generation, so to speak, of a 1st density lifewave born! Just a passing thought.:o

Has anyone else contemplated along these lines or are you able to complement my understanding any? I'm still trying to distill a finer concept of 'Logos'. Seems synonymous with 'Co-creator'.

-Mark

[twva]

If it takes several hundred years for all of these people to vacate this 3D time/space inner plane of Earth, perhaps some of the first 'service to others' activities by those brand new 4D entities will be 'ministering' to these folk, as the last vestiges of 3D experience gradually fade from the Earth scene, leaving Earth fully transitioned into 4D.

I love this idea! It's so gentle and kind and satisfying. Heck, who knows, maybe it's already happening. :)

[HeavyFlea]

I think there may be a need to distinguish between two concepts, here. One is that Earth is moving into an area of the galaxy in which a higher concentration of energy allows the planet to re-adjust the geometry of it's web of energetic fields in order to facilitate the instreaming of the fourth density geometric patterns of energies.

The other concept is that of STO vs. STS in terms of positive/negative polarity. This concept applies to beings beginning in third density; namely, us.

I have never gathered personally that a planetary Logos such as Earth is subject to such a stipulation, or that an area of space is subject to being positive or negative, per se.

I would suspect that a planet exists in all the densities 'simultaneously', and what we would think of as the changing of the planet from 3D to 4D is more accurately a change in our own ability to percieve and partake in the fourth density aspect of the planet.

Perhaps the planetary transition currently taking place energizes the 4D aspect of the planet for our benefit so we can live in it when we become 4D, much as a person moving through a house enters a room and turns the light on (although we understand the room was 'there' previously, just not occupied).

So, perhaps questions of a planet's being 4D pos. or neg. only pertain to the planet insofar as it hosts a social memory complex of either 4d pos. or neg. polarity. In other words, maybe it's not the planet itself which varies according to the polarity of it's denizens. Perhaps it just so happens in our case that this planet will host a positively polarized group, hence we call it a 4D positive planet. Perhaps it could just as well host 4D neg. bipeds.

Anyway, I consider myself at best an intermediate level Ra scholar. These 'working concepts' may change as I study more.:rolleyes:

-Mark

I'm very much at the same stage in working concepts, I actually think that's one of the very special parts of the way this source brought the Law of One here... it is all working concepts for the individuals learning, I think if you claimed to know exactly what they were saying in everything you could be closing yourself off to a lot. Like the mindset of this is how it is period and nothing else is acceptable. There's certain aspects to it that are more straight forward, but I believe most was left open so our freewill can work with these concepts as far as our current learning perspective, which is different for each person on the planet. Besides that, there is distortion with the Ra material it is not perfect. Ra said Carla's group was selected for the channel for minimal distortion... meaning there is still distortion, how much is minimal? (not a quote, but close, I can't remember the exact words used.)

Anyway, I remember reading about the planet being 4d already and that the solar system had moved into a part of space... I must have grabbed the idea of sto 4d space somewhere? (so I thought there would be sts space aswell, or 'realm' like this other material, where I saw the concept of a 3d sts realm, which I don't fully trust, yet is extremely interesting. But, I'm Just exploring possibilities. But even though the harvest has yet to happen or is in it's beginning stages... It is a confusing concept if earth is already 4d sto orientated. Almost like the earth was already going that way and those that are 4d sto can stay because they will resonate correctly. Others would go to another planet within whatever realm/space they're energies would resonate with.

Perhaps like you said the planet exists in all the densities 'simultaneously'... this would make sense too. Depending on your polarity, that's the experience you have... sts and sto still in the same place, yet 2 different earths and sts and sto wouldn't know or perceive of each other's physical existence? Then I remember Ra saying sto stays here, and those that are undecided go to another planet supporting 3d. So that seems to hint that earth doesn't exist in all densities. But then again if everything is happening right now, past future, present... does the earth make a cycle through all densities 1 - 7 aswell? Then it would?


Ahh.. too much. I think it's time for me for another read of the books, right from the start. And some meditation.

Cheers

[HeavyFlea]

Ra seemed to make it clear that planets are not sub-sub-logoi as are humans/etc. Instead, the planet is permeated and is a sort of living-host which can become somehow a part of the inhabitant consciousness. Ra also states that 4d pos and neg cannot coexist on the same planetary sphere; this is sufficient reason for the earth to host EITHER pos or neg in 4d space. My interpretation from reading Ra is that the portion of harvestable pos will be much greater than the harvestable neg from the mixed harvest here. As such it could merely be a statistic that 4d pos would have larger numbers and "inherit the earth" so to speak. But I don't think this is the whole story.

Interesting.. so what about 3d? Can 3d be both pos and neg? If it can't then perhaps it isn't such a stretch to explore the possibility that earth could have been 3d negative/positive.

I can see the inheriting the earth idea... even though you could project what the possible harvest is this seems to kind of hint at not being in line with free will. The harvest hasn't happened yet. But I suppose it would be impossible at some point for say the 'negative' to make an extreme 'comeback' and polarize the planet negatively. Still I'm haunted with the idea that the planet/solar system cycled into an area of space that facilitated a move from 3d pos/neg/both/no polarity at all (if this is possible) to 4d pos. Is it earth's denizen's that control the fate of it's host or the cycle through the universe?

[QUOTE=eyez4096;25505
Ra also speaks of pos and neg time/space orientations and mentions that the 4d aspect of earth is currently in time/space and not space/time. If the logos/sub-logos were creating the 4d earth in pos time/space it would make sense that the 4d space/time version which will eventually be potentiated will exist in the pos. But this is not a free will or deterministic issue; this is the more fundamental logoi having an impact on the way in which things play out. The earth exists as part of a sub-sub-logos iff (by my reading) she is being harmoniously worked with by a collection of sub-sub-logoi entities. Since she basically is not, she exists simply as an agent, so to speak, of the local sub-logos sun and more fundamental galactic logos.

If my understanding of Ra is remotely correct, then viewing earth as an entity that is conscious in the same manner as humans is somehow inconsistent. That is not to say that her/its consciousness is less or more, or any of this; simply she/it is to be understood differently. She/it is more closely related to the timeless/infinity/love/etc. than personifications truly express. Ra stated, if my memory serves me, that the only way for a planetary sphere to possess true "polarity" is to inherit it from a regularized populace of inhabitants. We're not currently regularized to any significant extent. She/it is not, therefor, "polarized" to any significant extent.

-Charles

I'll have to read more about these concepts to be sure that my memory is serving me well; for the most part I feel I have a reasonably solid intellectual-only understanding of its teachings. I've been proven wrong before, and surely will be again.[/QUOTE]

Ahh... fantastic. Especially the part on 4d earth being in time/space and not yet space/time. Lots there to consider in those 2 paragraphs. I have a feeling I was looking for something in that. Definitely time for me to read through the books again. thank-you.

[eyez4096]

Interesting.. so what about 3d? Can 3d be both pos and neg? If it can't then perhaps it isn't such a stretch to explore the possibility that earth could have been 3d negative/positive.

I can see the inheriting the earth idea... even though you could project what the possible harvest is this seems to kind of hint at not being in line with free will. The harvest hasn't happened yet. But I suppose it would be impossible at some point for say the 'negative' to make an extreme 'comeback' and polarize the planet negatively. Still I'm haunted with the idea that the planet/solar system cycled into an area of space that facilitated a move from 3d pos/neg/both/no polarity at all (if this is possible) to 4d pos. Is it earth's denizen's that control the fate of it's host or the cycle through the universe?


Let me try to clarify something, seemingly transient, yet potentially important. Any and all options are available from now, and in an incredibly small period of time the earth could, in fact, polarize totally in either direction however unlikely it is. But by my best understanding and interpretation, somewhat reading between the lines of Ra's sufficiently-complex-to-mean-many-things-simultaneously-while-still-remarkably-specific commentary, is that the earth, regardless of harvest polarity, assuming we don't destroy her, will be available for the support of positive entities while negative will eventually or all-at-once move elsewhere. By my understanding this is a function of "the Guardians" of the planet (or the harvesters) running the show with applications of the whole of the Law of One. But the time is not yet, and we have only one source which is unfortunately not specific enough to fully form models from.

As for negative and positive "time/space" I distinctly recall, from the episodes of psychic attack in the Ra transmissions, that Ra mentioned the 5d neg intention at one time was to trickily remove her spirit/etc to negative time/space at which point it would be forced somehow to work through progression from the negative polarity. They don't go in to this topic in any great detail but it is sufficient to assume one of two things:

1) time/space, at least, can have some element of polarity. There is no mention which I can recall of polarized space/time and this somehow makes sense to me though I would have a hard time explaining why...

2) the attack reduced the quality of the transmission and erroneous information was able to be transferred.

Thinking about it, if one could end up in a so-called "negative" time/space, it would take movement in time, not only space, to escape such a location (which Ra implies would require incarnations starting from a somehow negative-biassed-yet-naive-to-negativity position)... this is at least somehow consistent with the idea of its existence assuming (2) is not sufficiently correct.

If negative time/space exists then it makes sense that positive would exist as well. If positive time/space exists then it makes sense that the potential 4d earth, being completed in time/space, is similarly being completed in a polarized (in this case positive) time/space. If one must incarnate in negative space/time if they find their position in negative time/space then the opposite for the positive could potentially be true. Finally, if the last statement contains truth to a significant extent, then an earth completed in pos time/space would be accessible only to positively polarized incarnations of entities...

I hope this helps, or sufficiently stirs things up that the conversation progresses to further all of our understandings:
-Charles

[onething]

Hello Heavyflea,


I was wondering... could it be the nature of 1 - 3 to be STS? Survival of the fittest type of thing. The enviroment... Perhaps you have to take care of yourself first, before making the choice, then if it is STO you ascend through in a STO area of space?

I think this is very possible, a requirement of the survival struggles in this type of physicality.

As in hinting perhaps that the %51 is not actual service to others... it's the desire to be that could really count??? And that's what might make you a candidate for STO 4d?

Again, this might be quite so, and yet, I disagree that true service to others cannot be begun here. The one desiring to be that way, will certainly begin to act that way. The only fly in the ointment, for you, is that there really is no such thing as doing other than what one wants...even if that thing is bringing joy to others, or even dying for them. The mistake that I think you're making is to forget that we are not separate beings, and therefore it is not only legitimate, but probably always a truth (beyond 3D) that there is no such thing as a service to others that does not serve the self. And that is because ALL IS SELF.

It seems to me that the step that people take who are gravitating toward STO is to really 'get' that otherselves are as real as one's own subjectively experienced self. One loses the ability to be happy in the presence of another's deprivation. One can only be happy when those nearby are also reasonably content. The more those other selves are known by you to be legitimate and real, the more your happiness is tied to theirs. You serve them so that the rising tide will lift all boats and yours with it.

If it were true that there can exist a selfless act, then it would be true that we are separate beings.

[daresh]

For the ones that ask themselves howcome earth will become a 4D positive place. It is because there are more positively oriented people here then negative.
The big mass has no clear orientation for sure but this doesn't matter.

QUESTION: The Earth seems to be negative. So why will Earth go into 4th density positive instead of 4th density negative?

RA: For those of harvestable quality, those oriented in the ways of service to others greatly outnumber those whose
orientation is toward service to self. (B1, 166)

Greets,
Filip

[Metamike]

Your question is also one that I have wondered about. I think I might have an answer. The paradox of what to do about the world has to be answered relative to which level of reality you are aware of. If you only are aware of the exclusive materialistic world - the surface structure, you will find endless things that leave room for improvement. You can get really sucked into changing the world. But....
From a spiritual perspective, third density is the way it is for a purpose. It has to have duality to enable us in third density the ability to experience the entire scope of reality that can be experienced. This way we learn about choice.
We can only wake up to the fact that we must leave third density if we are going to find a better form for reality. If we try to change 3d reality, we would be making useless for waking people up to the fact that there is a better way.

With this dual understanding, I wonder if the best to do is by practicing cooperation, positive polarization, kindness, and all the things that get people to experience what the light is like.
Mike from Norway:)

[estopatitiana]

this is great stuff, i see it this way, even the most "evil" person can change completely, and even if we are all eslaved if we love our enemies things like this will happen. these are true stories.
in the amazon there was this nun who wanted to help the locals learn sustainalbe development and preserve the forest. well a farmer was illegally logging it, and wanted her gone, so he sent two guys to kill her, well before they did she read them a bible passage and they shot her..
later on thier conciouse got to them that they shot a nun and turned themselves in and told everything, now the womans legacy is stronger than ever, it had the opposite effect.
another one for the animal lovers like me.
this ones not really a story but i saw on pbs a japanese man who was a whaler who hunted pilot whales, who changed his ways and decided to start a whale watching group(although not all will agree that hunting is "evil")

has anyone ever fought someone to later become thier best friend?

I agree metamike, with cooperation, positive, thinking, etc.

i am learning alot from you guys, ive only been born again for less than 2 years, so i guess im still in my infancy of enlightenment. thanks a bunch to david and everyone else!

[ZENKAIpower]

We can never be free as long money and people controlling it exist. I get the idea about being positive and loving but not all people are the same. Should we just stay like idiots waiting the problem to solve itself while they putting chips inside us?
I have the urge to fight those that are trying to enslave me. Just love wont cut it for me. I cant go against that urge because its part of me. And besides you cant fight evil with just love. How much people can say honestly they would feel love inside while someone is banging them on the head?

Pure love is not for everyone. I mean everyone will come to that eventually but until you reach that peak you have to live your destiny. Maybe God/Pure love or Ra, whatever wants you to act on your destiny that was given to you. Maybe God wants you to fight evil because its the only way to beat it?

[SuperManny]

We can never be free as long money and people controlling it exist. I get the idea about being positive and loving but not all people are the same. Should we just stay like idiots waiting the problem to solve itself while they putting chips inside us?
I have the urge to fight those that are trying to enslave me. Just love wont cut it for me. I cant go against that urge because its part of me
There are indeed those PTB that feed off control and power over others. It's important to remember in these trying times, that they cannot control your Spirit, unless you let them, and this is where your true freedom and power lies.

It's becoming increasingly important to be in touch with your inner life; the spiritual aspect of your life. As this shift we are entering accelerates, there will be times when we will all feel like the outer world is literally falling apart, and if your inner world is not in a stable and healthy state, it will be extremely, incomprehensibly difficult.

This is not simply a case of us and them. The world is your mirror and it is simply showing you the places that need healing. We are ONE! One world, one humanity, one grand, magnificent Divine Creation! And when we completely and fully heal all of our hate, anger and fear, and our need for control inside ourselves, we will never again see it manifest outside ourselves.

[vithar]

mr. ZENKAIpower opines my own summations. tho i do believe the energy is increasing, effecting consciousness - and Perhaps the archetypes as well.
the warrior archetypes (breaking down etc); mars, ares, geburah, catabolism etc.
this archetype is inherent in nature. i'd say this manifests in it's own way on the other densities as well.
this could be a kabbalistic view.

i think sending love is akin to alternative therapies. it can be very subtle, yet effective (on some). while in some situations it'll have no effect. at least in the short term in 3D.


now how does "be all you can be" play into this? there are times i feel this is yet another duality trap. i saw this guy (in a waiting room) yesterday that related all the things he's involved with. this guy has done and is doing everything. he was even doing math problems at the time!
now (i guess) this is commendable. but at the same time i think he's got somekinda deficit inside.
is it a cop out to rejoice in others accomplishments while simultaneously not doing anything significant oneself!?

i do realize we've each got kundalini to express. some much more that others. i'm 46 and i still am clueless as how to express mine (especially with a bunch of saturnian squares).
but The major recurrent theme in my natal chart is involvement with the occult. natural abilities and all that. well all i get is emotional storms every damn day due to being so sensitive.

i'm all frazzled today. i've been "playing" guitar for 15 years. and i still get times (like last night) i simply cannot play. i just don't know what causes this.
i could never be in a band due to this. now what if this is what i wanted to do? this is what my whole life is like all the time.....

[ZENKAIpower]

There are indeed those PTB that feed off control and power over others. It's important to remember in these trying times, that they cannot control your Spirit, unless you let them, and this is where your true freedom and power lies.

I understand what you trying to say but doesn't that implies that we somehow aliened ourselves from world? Dont you see that system is faulted? Money is evil and people who control it are evil too. They will not give up on it without a fight.

It's becoming increasingly important to be in touch with your inner life; the spiritual aspect of your life. As this shift we are entering accelerates, there will be times when we will all feel like the outer world is literally falling apart, and if your inner world is not in a stable and healthy state, it will be extremely, incomprehensibly difficult.

I guess you right. But its easy to say than done...


This is not simply a case of us and them. The world is your mirror and it is simply showing you the places that need healing. We are ONE! One world, one humanity, one grand, magnificent Divine Creation! And when we completely and fully heal all of our hate, anger and fear, and our need for control inside ourselves, we will never again see it manifest outside ourselves.

You cant heal whole world from anger and hate just like that. It looks to me that people rather think of 2012 as something outside of thats going to save us. You cant expect that all the hate disappears over night without involvement from outside? That is kinda naive. Its easy for westerners in their cosy lives to "get in the spiritual" What about Africa, Iraq, Palestine, Afganistan? Can they get rid of their hate just like that?

I always thought that spiritual insight, liberation or whatever is for a few selected people. Time is come for them but not for the rest of us. Our time will come someday but until then we have to use tools at our disposal for make the World a better place. Since money is evil and building block of our society we have to destroy it. I dont see any other way.


We are one in essence but we are different in our opinions are likes and dislikes our characters and what drives us. I think that has something to do with astrology.
Let say for example you are loving and caring person admired by people around you. And Im a opposite. I can be loving but its difficult for me to express it. And its not easy to get along with me.

Im an aspect of God and so are you. Can you be me or can I be you? Are we to do same things on grand scheme of things?

That is what puzzles me.

[SuperManny]

You cant heal whole world from anger and hate just like that.You're right of course, if that's what you choose to believe. As Jesus said "According to your belief, it shall be done unto you." Or if you're not a Christian, maybe the words of Henry Ford might make more sense. "Whether you believe you can, or whether you believe you can't; either way, you're right!"

I think perhaps you underestimate the power of belief, and that could hold you back from expressing your true power. There was a thread in here earlier about the power to heal the outer by simply focusing on the inner.
http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9556

Let say for example you are loving and caring person admired by people around you. And Im a opposite. I can be loving but its difficult for me to express it. And its not easy to get along with me. Im an aspect of God and so are you. Can you be me or can I be you? Are we to do same things on grand scheme of things? No I cannot be you, and you cannot be me. If we could, there would be no need in both of us being here. We all have our unique strengths and weaknesses. So if I was indeed more loving to those around me, perhaps you would be a great artist and people would yearn for your art hundreds or even thousands of years after you're gone, and little ol' me would be completely forgotten after a generation or two. We all have magnificent talents and gifts; we just need to learn how to use them to the best of our capacity. :)

[soup]

..."Whether you believe you can, or whether you believe you can't; either way, you're right!"...

I think in order to observe what your beleifs seem to be, one has to elevate their perspective to a point of detached observation - this may relate to the art of meditation. Possibly there's some relationship with the concept of understanding and that quote "understanding is not of this density." So what we understand our beliefs to be may be imperfect and illusory - another reason to meditate and ponder the idea of loving those around as an alternative.


soup

[kstar]

Thank you all for an inspiring and stimulating discussion! Plenty of food for thought and ongoing study...

I am only just beginning with the LofO study guide but I 'learn' or 'remember' something new every time I read it - sometimes I have to stop because it makes me zone out or go to sleep (maybe I am integrating the information?)

Anyway, I would like to reply to some of your observations and also ask about a Ra quote which I would like your help to understand...

Firstly, I am heartened by the thought that 'all is perfect because all is the Creator' - otherwise I would have had to leave the earth plane before this under a heavy burden of guilt and shame for things I did in my less than enlightened past which I can now forgive myself for.

It also allows me to be at peace with how the world is - because if I indulge in hate or anger about all the injustice and inequities that are perpetrated everywhere then it means I cannot 'help' the world by being an example of peace and kindness to others - too much dwelling on it just makes everything 'go wrong' around me. For instance, yesterday I started letting myself get annoyed and saddened by other people's seemingly thoughtless, rude and uncaring attitudes to me and from then on my day was awful - I went into feeling sorry for myself and got depressed - everything felt 'wrong' and I wanted to 'leave' again as I thought I maybe could be more useful helping from the astral since the physical didn't seem to appreciate me.

Today is good again - despite any discord around me I am centered in my 'peace bubble' and nothing can ruin my serenity - I allow others to be who they are knowing that all is perfect as it is - I don't have to 'rescue' anyone any more (I've tried) and I am just grateful to 'me' for being me. As someone here said, our purpose is to add our unique way of experiencing this world to expand the experiences of the Creator.

So to my question re a quote from Ra -

"'The facility of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of 3rd density. THOSE ENTITIES WHICH DO NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK, BE THEY EVER SO AMIABLE OR LIKABLE, SHALL NOT CROSS.'"

Please - can anyone explain what the 'facility of faith or will' is - and how do we understand, nourish and develop it? What is the 'homework' we need to do here? (I could be in this amiable/likably' category because I don't know what this means... and I would really like to graduate from 3d considering it means another 25,000 years here if not moving on to 4d - perish the thought!)

Thank you all again for all the light and love - I send you mine,

Kathy

[kstar]

Could it be that when we are 'out of alignment'/feeling negative that we are feeding the sts entities (giving them negative fuel) and therefore this could be seen as sts 'behaviour' and vice versa if we are being positive we are behaving as sto - feeding the positive entities?! Am I on to something here?
Maybe it is not all about good deeds/bad deeds but attitudes/states of being as well? Hmmm...what do others think? Or did you already work this out and I'm just catching up?

[twva]

So to my question re a quote from Ra -

"'The facility of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of 3rd density. THOSE ENTITIES WHICH DO NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK, BE THEY EVER SO AMIABLE OR LIKABLE, SHALL NOT CROSS.'"

Please - can anyone explain what the 'facility of faith or will' is - and how do we understand, nourish and develop it? What is the 'homework' we need to do here? (I could be in this amiable/likably' category because I don't know what this means... and I would really like to graduate from 3d considering it means another 25,000 years here if not moving on to 4d - perish the thought!)


Hi Kathy and thanks for the interesting question. One minor point -- the word Ra used was "faculty" of faith, not "facility". Faculty is defined as "one of the inherent cognitive or perceptual powers of the mind (http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=faculty)."

I think we understand, nourish, and develop the faculty of faith by trying again and again to use it. In the example that you gave, you managed to stay in your peace bubble despite the discord around you, perhaps by remembering that "all is perfect because all is the Creator." That's an excellent example of living in faith.

In one of the non-Ra LL Research channelings Q'uo (I think it was Q'uo) talked about the importance of building a bridge to the infinite. I love that idea. It's an excellent metaphor, I think, for seeking past the boundary of third density.

[onething]

Interesting thread!

Could it be that when we are 'out of alignment'/feeling negative that we are feeding the sts entities (giving them negative fuel) and therefore this could be seen as sts 'behaviour' and vice versa if we are being positive we are behaving as sto - feeding the positive entities?! Am I on to something here?
Maybe it is not all about good deeds/bad deeds but attitudes/states of being as well? Hmmm...what do others think? Or did you already work this out and I'm just catching up?

You know, I think I said something about this on a recent thread, to the effect that this understanding is, I hope, going to be the next idea wave of the new age movement, and spread around the world. Not that it should be colored by overtones of guilt as I sense here, but rather that we all begin to believe in our power to affect the collective consciousness, and take responsibility for that. This is one of the fundamental messages in David's Science of Peace DVD. Of course, when we feel down we have to work to move through it but we can't feel like we're bad for feeling bad.

Surely, a situation like perhaps Iraq, in which millions are afraid, angry and injured would feed negativity and negative entities. So the whole thing is a huge crime.

Attitudes and states of being give rise to actions, and so the behaviors are a continuum. That's the whole point. It's not just the actions. Sure, actions are much worse and most people have bad impulses that they keep under control as they certainly should, but negative mind states do sooner or later manifest in the real world. There is a delay, which masks it from being seen by people.

__________________________-

"'The facility of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of 3rd density. THOSE ENTITIES WHICH DO NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK, BE THEY EVER SO AMIABLE OR LIKABLE, SHALL NOT CROSS.'"

Please - can anyone explain what the 'facility of faith or will' is - and how do we understand, nourish and develop it? What is the 'homework' we need to do here? (I could be in this amiable/likably' category because I don't know what this means... and I would really like to graduate from 3d considering it means another 25,000 years here if not moving on to 4d - perish the thought!)

Surely there was more context than just this? If you could provide more, perhaps it would clue me in on what he meant. I don't think of faith and will as being the same thing...

My own feeling about doing homework is that it involves pursuing questions internally and gaining wisdom or insight thereby, so that one slowly becomes a stronger character of understanding than just being good natured. It takes a strong and sincere desire for more, not complacency. You have to be dogged.
So you end up being a person who feels, as the new age kids say, 'connected to source' and able to learn thereby.

So it has to be internalized, not just ideas, maybe?

For example, Kathy, you mentioned self forgiveness. This has been a big issue for me of late, and when I made some progress, I had a hugely increased joy from seeing people's higher self and seeing the purity and innocence of everyone. Forgiving myself actually led to much greater love and forgiveness toward others!

I should think the questioner would have asked, What are the barriers of 3D?

[kstar]

Thank you for your replies twva and onething. I copied/pasted that Ra quote from the study guide so maybe it was a typo in there - it really didn't make sense to me until you pointed out the different word...I will try to find the quote again and give you the context.
I agree that forgiveness is a great thing to do - I find it easy to give others but not myself - and I realise that that is an sts behaviour and I have a lot of 'homework' here in this respect!
And it is easy for me to see the results of any negative thinking manifesting as more of the same if I let it - the 'hard bit' is when the negativity arises even though you are being sto, kind, happy etc - I guess what is called a 'negative greeting'? I still have to learn to deal with that...
Thanks for your encouragement.
With love,
Kathy

[vithar]

i took that in a slightly different light. but i guess it is a lot about the sphere of sensation. the "cell" (the protection of) is an excellent analogy.
it's both faith and will. will to have faith...then some faith to exert will... then faith in the will(ed)...or will to have faith in the willed...

might we (in this age) have to learn to heal our own cell, from within? not mommy, Bill, Rev. John, Marge the arcturian x7 ray healer, booze, food etc.
but where would you draw the line? i'm just musing here but i think there's something to the idea that we need to become more self dependent.

otherwise, we are like feeders and then some. now i'm not talking about classic codependency. tho i am talking about wounds, deficits and natural longings unfulfilled.
i think...in this supposed energy increase, we've the ability (at some point) to sustain ourselves in almost every way.

we're coming across sun gazing, advanced chi-kung, eft, amygdala clicking etc. someday, i just feel we or someone's going to hit on the (real) secret. i myself am wondering - due to that overlay of the eye of horus over the profile of the brain - that it's got to do with a correct stimulation of various centers in the brain - perhaps conjunct chakra/meridian work.

i think it's time i or we need to learn how to heal these things on our own.
so, by this, i Don't mean in Traditional fashion!

now this is where i tend to come in from far left field (tho i'm bucking it as some must know by now, my natal chart indicates this). so i don't mean healing as in being traditionally responsible; going to socials, church, dating, college degrees, better job, more money, yuppie status quo, good works...

...this is still part of the 3d matrix system. they are for the most part temporal fixes (say you lost the new job, the degree gets stale or even by whatever edict gets discredited etcet) from wiithout.
to, once in the astral, what do you have left?

to back up a bit. i do consider learning important. but i meant this recognition thing from someone else/institution {to here, i'm the type that has to meet folks who can zap me in the right way. say you've read a lot of books and have a good background in something. only to meet someone who says anyone can read. it's basically true. there's so much illusion out there. the fact is, some little twirp geek who knows all the most lame baseball statistics is really as learned as some guy in a lab coat. i'm neither btw, just making a point}
and good works is fine and necessary. tho not simply to feel better and or from guilt, me thinks. i do wonder if you're doing it to pay off "karmic debt" you're simply saying you have some.

tho i realize i may be avoiding humanity or life in this, i still think there's something to it. mainly due to this imposed artificial system. basically everything has been a lie. further, tho it Does feel good to share and have fellowship, i tend to see this as yet another need - no different than all the other nagging needs.

to me, this is power. to, there's a section in the tibetan book of living and dying that relates a story of some master of meditation. the gist-ed end of the story was that this guy literally died in the gutter with a serene smile on his face......

i understand about someone who's got something on the inside trying to get out. that's why we have the art and sciences etc. and we've all got some kundalini to express.

hmm, it seems as if there's a converse connection between self loathing or low esteem and needs in general. kinda like the chicken and egg thing.

i've got to stop this rambling!

[daresh]

"'The facility of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of 3rd density. THOSE ENTITIES WHICH DO NOT DO THEIR HOMEWORK, BE THEY EVER SO AMIABLE OR LIKABLE, SHALL NOT CROSS.'"


In the ra material we find the following to grow the will.

B. MENTAL TECHNIQUE: FOCUSED ATTENTION


RA: THERE IS BUT ONE TECHNIQUE FOR THIS GROWING OR NURTURING OF WILL AND FAITH, AND THAT IS THE FOCUSING OF ATTENTION.

The attention span of those you call children is considered short. The spiritual attention span of most of your peoples is that of the child.

Thus it is a matter of wishing to become able to collect one's attention and hold it upon the desired programming.

This, when continued, strengthens the will. The entire activity can only occur when there exists faith that an outcome of this discipline is possible. (B2, 98)

(2) INCREASE YOUR ATTENTION SPAN THROUGH VISUALIZATION

QUESTION: What are some exercises for increasing the attention span?

RA: The visualization of a shape and color which is of personal inspirational quality to the mediator is the bean of the religious aspects of this son of visualization. The visualization of simple shapes and colors which have no
innate inspirational quality to the entity form the basis for what you may call
your magical traditions. Whether you imagine the rose or a circle is not
important. However, it is suggested that one or the other path be chosen in
order to exercise this faculty. (B2, 98)


So the faculty of will can be developped, it is already inherent in everybody, it is something which requires concentration. Everybody has some degree of will power, for example if people stop smoking they need will power, to get out of bed they need will power, to make decisions they need will power...
but an increase in will power enables many things. Following clear choices etc...

greets,
Filip

[twva]

Thank you for your replies twva and onething. I copied/pasted that Ra quote from the study guide so maybe it was a typo in there - it really didn't make sense to me until you pointed out the different word...I will try to find the quote again and give you the context.
I agree that forgiveness is a great thing to do - I find it easy to give others but not myself - and I realise that that is an sts behaviour and I have a lot of 'homework' here in this respect!


Must be a typo in the study guide. You can find the original quote at http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1982/1982_0327_book_4.htm or http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=82#28

I don't think forgiving others is STS at all. In fact, when you forgive others you ARE forgiving yourself, since all is one.

L/L,
TWVA

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Hi
Being able to forgive others but not yourself is not true forgivness but codependency and fear of conflict, not an act of peace.

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...In one of the non-Ra LL Research channelings Q'uo (I think it was Q'uo) talked about the importance of building a bridge to the infinite. I love that idea. It's an excellent metaphor, I think, for seeking past the boundary of third density....


I wonder if this bridge could be of "indigo ray" nature. There's some concept that people energetically develop in different ways - that some open their heart first and then open their indigo center. Others may open Indigo first and heart later. As metaphor, I consider the foundation of an opened heart center as a "sounder foundation" for the bridge than as without. In this case, some effort to "open the heart center" may be worthwhile path in the progression of building a bridge to the infinite.

Though it seems difficult to generalize, as certainly there seem suspension bridges that work well just the same - in this case the choice of bridge building seems as largely individualized as the paths an individual chooses for themselves - each legitimate somehow or else contrast for legitimacy which in itself seems legitimate. I say so from a standpoint of compassionate tolerance in the spirit of wholeness.


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...So as far as what Ra says in regards to the Law of One... are we supposed to ignore the real world events/conspiracy's that have become very apparent....

I think some people consider some emotional states toxic - that worrying about conspiracy on the outside may be creating some sort of conspiracy on the inside - manifesting in disease which is easy to ignore.


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...As far as the Law of One goes... are we actually just supposed to focus on our own little lives? Ignore this larger picture as it doesn't really matter? And would we be affecting the will of this elite group by fighting against it?...


I think from a fractal perspective, if we did indeed focus on our own little lives that we may discover solutions to problems both within and without. (For example, the tool of astrology may be used to introspect with, and likewise outro-spect.) Also, I think that "being angry" with the powers at be may be a form of inner conflict - of fighting which can lead to disease. Maybe our inner diseases correspond with disease of our outer society problems. If society falls sick to disease from being angry in some way or another, that may affect the elite. (An example of this may be the United States health care crisis.) So possibly, when we can let go of our inner angers then we can sooner enjoy a healthier state of being which can be spread contageously to form a healthier society.


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[The Wonderer]

Some of the Law Of One material still confuses me. The dimensions and different universes boggles my mind. I really have no answer for what the original poster asks. I personally believe the evil elites who have caused so preventable pain and suffering to the innocent should be punished. Obviously if we punish them by death, they are not dead. They get reborn again into the afterlife. They will never die despite how evil they were in the 3rd density. Maybe they were meant to be evil?:eek:

When these evil elites die, you must understand that all the pain and suffering they have caused will follow them from this life to the the afterlife. They will feel and see every person they have affected, but feel to it to the highest intensity. Obviously they will be punished with further reincarnation to right the bad karma. Thus giving them more work than they should have because of the way of their actions. If they are too negative, they will be in the hellish realm. They will be scared and will not know where they are. In our time, an eternity could pass. They will cry out for help. The higher realms will here, and they will realize. They will see

Everything has a duality. Ying and Yang. Light/Dark, Good/Evil, Love/Hate, Big/Small, Happy/Sad, Violence/Peace, Anger/Calm, Above/Below.

If we did not have evil, how would we grow? Evilness makes us a better person because it reflects the evil things we are capable of doing. It is the great cosmic game. Allegedly(I don't know if its true), there is a great cosmic Armageddon between the forces of light and dark. Kind of like Star Wars. So evil and good exist all over the Universe. If we are suffering, doesn't that mean other E.Ts are suffering all over the universe and universes(perhaps even worser conditions).

However, I am not a perfect. I personally have anger towards the evil elite because they have poisoned this world for too long. No innocent person should suffer. It is extremely hard to always follow a positive path or remain on it. Some people take the wrong road and that is their ultimate downfall. But it is ok to fail because that is part of soul evolution. All I can say is live the way you feel is right and positive. This Law Of One stuff is tough and times confusing, but I think the ultimate goal is to use your heart. Everyone has imperfections. No one is perfect. We have all done things that we might keep secret to our graves.

So all the suffering that is happening has a purpose. But suffering sucks. It sucks really bad. Nobody wants to suffer. It hurts too much. Their too much pain and grief. Some people have it bad from the day they are born, and they are trapped until the day they die. But they are free when they are born again in their real home. The home of love and peace. Not hate and violence. I have suffered, and what I went through, I don't think I could go through again. I cry with those who cry. Feel the pain of the world. It will truly make you more loving and understanding. This is why you should thank the Creator everyday for where you are then where you could of been.;)

[Jetamus]

I think some people consider some emotional states toxic - that worrying about conspiracy on the outside may be creating some sort of conspiracy on the inside - manifesting in disease which is easy to ignore.


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One of the biggest problems I see in delving into uncovering conspiracies is that its incredibly bleak and depressing.
Mainly because most folks don't see the looming positive that outshines the negative.