Why the 4th dimension and not the 5th?

[AmelieJolie]

Almost everything here makes sense to me, except for 1) The issue of karma/ free will

and 2) The idea that we will all be ascending to the 4th dimension rather than say, the 5th.

I don't know if any of you are familiar with Arizona Wilder (WHO IS NOT A "CONSPIRACIST"), but in her interview she speaks of the 4th dimension as being the place in which negative entities operate from. These entities, I heard either from her interview or elsewhere, are unable to gain access to the 5th dimension but they would if they could.

I have a very good feeling about David Wilcock via my intuition and I trust him completely as being honest, good-willed and sincere. However, I do not trust these beings who use flying saucers, etc who can be seen wearing white robes. It reminds me too much of the story of how the Mormon Church came about, when Joseph Smith was visited by such a being known as Moroni.

[Mozart]

... 2) The idea that we will all be ascending to the 4th dimension rather than say, the 5th.

I don't know if any of you are familiar with [another conspiratist], but in her interview she speaks of the 4th dimension as being the place in which negative entities operate from. These entities, I heard either from her interview or elsewhere, are unable to gain access to the 5th dimension but they would if they could.




The "another conspiracist" is probably referring to the 4th-Density negatives who like to control the 3rd-Density people on earth (and elsewhere, presumably) through fear/control manipulation by working with the points of weakness/entry in the 3-D human. It's my understanding that the 4th-Density negs feed off the fear vibrations in some way, hence they are motivated to control 3-D humans through fear/control methods. The 4th-Density beings are operating in the 4th dimension; the difference between the "density" and "dimension" is that the former refers to the level of vibratory evolvement of a being, whereas the latter refers to the location of beings.


The 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions all have both positive and negative beings; only the outer fringes of the 6th dimension can be penetrated by the negative-oriented beings and, in order to proceed along the vibratory growth path in the 6th dimension, a neg-oriented being must fully assimilate the negative/positive vibes into a unified vibratory field and proceed along the lines of Unity in one's return towards the Source.

[SuperManny]

I don't know if any of you are familiar with [another conspiratist], but in her interview she speaks of the 4th dimension as being the place in which negative entities operate from. These entities, I heard either from her interview or elsewhere, are unable to gain access to the 5th dimension but they would if they could.Negative entities are in the third fourth and fifth dimensions according to the teachings of Ra. It was a fifth dimension negative entity that kept repeatedly attacking the Ra channeling group.
I have a very good feeling about David Wilcock via my intuition and I trust him completely as being honest, good-willed and sincere. However, I do not trust these beings who use flying saucers, etc who can be seen wearing white robes. Both good and 'bad' or STS are known to use flying saucers, so when you see a ufo it doesn't mean it's good or bad, but it seems like in most things the bad ones get the most press.

[AmelieJolie]

My feeling is that if they were highly evolved, they would not need crafts of any sort to get around in.

[IAmSaidI]

Maybe these aren't really crafts but light bodies or energy fields that we simply perceive as crafts or 3-d objects because in our limited perception, that is how we interpret something that we cannot really understand.

I believe that often, even in literature, when a word like "craft" is used, it may just be the best approximation for a concept involving movement or transport, or even the ability to appear visible in the 3-d world - a way for something perhaps non-physical to become physical in the 3-d world. ??

[SuperManny]

My feeling is that if they were highly evolved, they would not need crafts of any sort to get around in.Yes, that's very perceptive of you. Ra says they used to travel using various types of craft. Then they started traveling purely by thought, but would still sometimes manifest a craft after they got there, for the benefit of the ufo viewers. They did not want to appear as gods, and didn't want to be worshiped, and went to great lengths to prevent this. At the time of the channelings they were not using any type of craft.

When they were asked how they built the pyramids, they were describing the process when the questioner asked, 'If that's how you built them, why didn't you just built them in one piece?' The Ra then explained that if they had done so they would surely have been perceived as gods, and would have been worshiped. They were there as teacher/learners and wanted to appear as their peers.

[Del]

My feeling is that if they were highly evolved, they would not need crafts of any sort to get around in.

My UFO knowledge is limited but I believe they do use physical crafts and therefore are not as highly evolved as is possible such as right up there in the higher dimensions/realms. (where are higher beings are perhaps?0

Perhaps they need the crafts for transportation and possibly a temporary location for when performing... obductions on us beings on earth.
Perhaps they exist in our dimension but also have access to other dimensions that let them come and go so easily but still require the craft technology for other reasons. Say they don’t have the technology for instant (teleportion?) back to their own world. (if their world exists in our time/space)

I am new here by the way so I have not read up on all the forum/site contents yet. But I do have knowledge on the general theme of the site so excuse me if I am sounding a bit naive to any of David’s theories… writings.

[johnasmodeus]

My feeling is that if they were highly evolved, they would not need crafts of any sort to get around in.


Hey, AJ.

I highly recommend that you download, print out, and read the Ra material. I understand your apprehension and fear, but most of the issues you raise are answered in there. Those beings you speak of DO come from the 4th dimension. But nobody ever said that they have sole proprietorship of the place. :) And they would move to the 5th if they could, just like you and I believe we would prefer the fourth to this third dimension and move THERE if WE could. We actually won't all be moving into the 4th dimension on graduation, and the material goes in to that. As for the crafts, the general consensus is that, indeed, they don't need them at all. They choose to use them for various purposes that may or may not be only tangentially related to "getting around."

But again, I feel that you may be confusing "evolved" with "good." Don't forget that the Path of Separation is just as valid a means of spiritual evolution as is the Path of Unity. STS does not equal unevolved. There are quite possibly innumerable STS beings - that are fully and wholly devoted to nothing other than gratifying their own selfish desires and subjugating or destroying all that they perceive to be outside themselves - that are millions of years more evolved than any of us here reading this forum.

[Magical_Mongoose]

Hey Amelie,
I think that you'll ascend to either 4th or 5th depending on your harmonic soul vibration. There is no definite way to say for certain who will ascend and who will not, who will go to 4th and who will go to 5th. Anything could happen from here on in. I believe personally that the show isn't over until the fat lady sings. There's a great deal of events that will result in greater polarization, particularly those who have garnered a correct awareness that enables them to "see the signs".
On a sidenote, even though much could happen, I had a "dream" where I had the intuition that 12-18% of the planet will be harvestable, based on the current energetic probabilities being projected into the future. Although this could relate directly to 3rd-4th (or even 3rd-4th-5th) density transition, I guess it could also mean 2nd-3rd transition (animals gaining an awareness, such as dolphins, apes, dogs, cats, etc. inhabiting 3rd-density bodies) and possibly 1st-2nd as well (your favourite tree becoming that stubborn cat).
Although this of an entirely 3rd density way of analyzing, considering there's around 6.6 billion people on the planet...12% = ~800 million, 18% = ~1.2 billion.
To directly answer your question of 4th density being the "base" of negative entities, from my readings of the Cassiopaeans, the 4th density is the highest vibration that absolute STS can exist. However, I think that there would be little "recruitment" among the STO and STS groups on that level, most of them directing that effort to those who largely inhabit 3rd density. But even so, even though there would an exist a "harmonic discordance" that would largely render these polarities unable to really influence eachother directly, there would still be an awareness and contact with beings of the opposite polarity. But it would be mutually respectful, like a diplomatic meeting whereby differences are stated, but a general framework of action is established that while they may achieve entirely different goals, are supportive of one another. The true dimensional wars occur when a group oversteps this established boundary, and we may be in the midst of such a conflict...but who knows?

[BHOPPE]

Amelie, have you read the Law of One series? It goes deep into all the dimension and density stuff, as well as many other topics. I'm in the middle of reading the third book and they continue to answer almost every question I have wondered about. If you've got some time and a few bucks, I highly recommend the series.


Peace&Love
Brett

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