Proof of the existence of spirits?

[Mozart]

a miracle may have occurred: i may have beat light eye to posting something of interest to the forum!

it's an interesting article that shows possible proof of spirits [say, 100 proof, 200 proof? ;-) ] through the capturing of orbs in photographs:

http://www.healthywealthynwise.com/article.asp?article=5316

a sample:

"there is no doubt in my mind that the orbs may well be one of the most significant ‘outside of this reality’ phenomena mankind has ever witnessed."

-- klaus heinemann, ph.d.

at first, it seemed no more than a curious coincidence. professor klaus heinemann, a researcher for nasa, the u.s. space agency, was studying a collection of photographs his wife had taken at a gathering of spiritual healers when he noticed that many of them featured the same pale but clearly defined circle of light, like a miniature moon, hovering above some of the subjects...

[Ceara]

once while taking autumn photos outside a couple of years ago, one photo showed a bright white tiny orb moving up with a blur trail. which was funny, because at the time, it had started to drizzle slightly. the rain never showed up on camera but that orb did.

wish i still had that photo.. but lost it on one of many times my hard drive decided to go on the fritz and had to be formatted. :( didn't even have a method of backing up my data. i got smart after though and purchased an external usb hard drive. lol

[One 66]

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attached are two pictures with orbs in them. in one picture the orb is above me and in the other picture the orb is to the right of my right eye. both pictures were taken last month in september, two weeks apart.

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[moderator note: i am going to move this thread to the divine cosmos thread, as this really isn't a "new science", but does fall under some of the subjects that dw discusses on dc]

[Understanding]

one thing i learned was that orbs can be caused by many factors of light and angles, but you never know

[One 66]

understanding,

the first picture (of me standing next to my mother along with my brothers) was one of three pictures taken with the same camera within moments apart from taking two other pictures before and after. there was no change in lighting or anything out of the ordinary when all three pictures were taken and yet this one particular picture came out with orbs in them. i thought it could've been lighting, spots on the lense etc but the pictures that were taken before and after show no signs of anything unusual.

plus, my father had passed away three months ago and i figured this was a time to let us know he was there with us.

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[One 66]

understanding,

also, there's more than one orb that showed up in the picture below. i counted at least 10 in the picture, but the one above me was the cleareast one that came out. there's a few that look faint above my brother (to the far right) and one that came out direclty in front of his face. it's kind of hard to see them here, but in the original prints it's more clear/apparent. there's a few that appeared in front of our bodies as well.

i changed the contrast of the picture to see the so called orbs
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again, there was a picture taken right before and after this one that show no signs of anything out of the ordinary what-so-ever.

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[sistersoul]

i know i'm new to this forum, and as such...i have to be delicate, so as to 'ease in' to this space w/out putting anyone off. and...i have an extremely skewed perspective on things that typically works against me practicing 'caution', but i'll try. :rolleyes:

i think it's sad that people need "proof". i suppose bcuz i've been witness to so much paranormal activity my entire life...that i was born on some strange cusp between this world & that. proof is something i had to give up on, and maybe it's my inner child coming out saying, "bcuz i had to, everyone should". so maybe my perspective is irrelevant?!? probably! ;)

i just see the "proof" thing as something else. it's more about the need to be accepted, to fit in, and it displaces ones true knowing about things. it places the importance on exterior factors, and gives more credit to other peoples ideas then to ones own ideas. and i believe it contributes to the general disconnect of things.

just my 2 cents.

[MarkM]

as my spiritual awakening continues, i find that, more and more, the finer points of my discernment center around my feelings, rather than my thoughts.

i have no need to prove my feelings to myself; but is there a way to prove them to another?

in the course of sharing with others, my feelings can be communicated. those with whom i resonate can at times share my feelings in a direct manner. a glance and a smile confirm this beyond any doubt.

but what has been proven? can you demonstate to me in a rigid, scientific manner that you have received my feeling?

you can't. but we can still know beyond any doubt that the communication is true! any attempt to prove this will result in a lessened surety of the communication, just try it and see!

in my life, i have distilled the knowledge that the endless pageant of tragi-comedy that people indulge in around me can only eventually culminate in joy of the highest order for every single soul who has ever lived, regardless of the level of perceived misery and confusion that abounds in the world.

to me, although i know that suffering is very real, in the context of human life in 3d, there is a sublime, joyful awareness of mine that however terrible, permanent and tragic an event or condition may seem, and even as we struggle to the best of our ability to manage the sometimes daunting challenges of life here, the ultimate reality is that we will all be okay.

life here is very much like a stage production -- at the end of which, we stabbed and 'dead lovers' arise and meet the curtain call, each of us knowing it was all a big act.

now, i know this, but i can't prove it to you. can you know it for yourself?

if you can, your life's balance will tip to joy; if you can come to percieve that it's all for the becoming of us. it's purpose is to bring us to unconditional love and acceptance of all conditions, without reservation. without reservation.

just don't ask me to prove it!:d

[One 66]

markm,

i know exactly where you're coming from.

i was just excited to see and read the article about orbs coming out in pictures which made me think of my own pictures of having orbs in them... or what looks like orbs.

in any case, it is what it is. though i really don't need proof of what i feel to be true :cool:

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[Michelle]

thanks for sharing one 66. :)

i really love the fact that these 'orbs' are showing up in digital photos. i did a little test try of my own. for instance there are always these light orbs in pics of my daughter, no matter the lighting, the season, or the camera. we've taken these pics with different cameras. and one thing i found particularly amazing is that we took some pics at a cabin out in the woods, and there were aprox. 50 in every pic, totally clear and different sizes, all from different angles, and rooms. it kind of reminds me of the 11:11, in that there are new extroidinary aspects in life, making themselves known, towards the benefits of mankind waking up to the spiritual realm, or realms, and that we are not only not alone, but seem to have help, and guidance on many levels.

much peace,
michelle

[billybobbutterball]

one thing i learned was that orbs can be caused by many factors of light and angles, but you never know

yeah. billybob here.

recently featured on rense.com was a report on the orb photo phenomenon describing an experiment that demonstrated that "orbs" could be produced by dust particles. it seems that a bit of fine flour blown in front of the camera was, at a critical distance from the lens, picked up by the camera and reqistered as classic orbs having the same familiar, peculiar spherical characteristics that define them.

so, it seems best to be somewhat skeptical of them when touted as spiritual signals/manifestations.

sorry to appear a wetblanket...billybob.:(

( it galls my spirit to think that the "great" randi would gleefully pat me on the back :rolleyes: )

[MarkM]

( it galls my spirit to think that the "great" randi would gleefully pat me on the back :rolleyes: )


my milk came out of my nose when i read that crack..splonk..there oughta be a 'smilie' for that:eek:

seriously folks, i had a strange experience with an 'orb' a few years ago, when i was on 'the big red boat' on a cruise halfway from ft. lauderdale to the bahamas. it was night-time with heavy seas, but clear. (incidentally, it was the same day that comedian john candy died)

i was on deck at the bow, enjoying the heaving up and down, feeling like the king of the world (get the picture?), and as the bow rose high over the waves, i saw to the south what looked like a deep orangey-red sun, glowing with nearly the brightness of the moon, about twice the size of the real moon, half hidden behind the horizon line and seemingly stationary, apparently some miles away.

as my ship progressed at full steam due roughly east, i slowly moved back along the starboard side towards the stern, to keep it within view, where it remained for approximately fifteen minutes before its gradual disappearance in the distance.

it was a vivid apparition, and it didn't seem as though it could have been a ship or craft of any imaginable kind, and i've since come to theorize that it may have been a plasmic energy formation, give the fact that i was smack in the middle of the bermuda triangle!

but, who knows - could have been a giant 'party in a beachball', for all i know!

-mark

[AmelieJolie]

it could be someone's soul wandering as they sleep!

[Krista White]

here is the reason i really have a "thing" for proof. it changes paradigms. proof is what propels science forward and adds loads of credibility to any theory. many, many people will not just believe something is a part of their reality just because someone said it is so (thankfully). this is why i respect mr. wilcock's work much. he brings in loads of proof provided by scientists who were willing to go out on a limb and research things that scare the you know what out of more conservative scientists. he doesn't ask us to believe what he says just because he said it. if it is the desire of the bodhisattva to remain on this plane of existence until every being attains enlightenment, then i would think there are lots of reasons to gather as much proof as possible from as many different disciplines as possible (multiple converging evidence). you could really speed the process up, thereby reducing the workload of the long suffering bodhisattva. proof acts as a catalyst for change. i've been studying astrology for 10 yrs. now, and am absolutely certain of both it's reliability and validity and feel it should be taught at least as a behavioral science. but i can't just make that claim. i have to be able to provide lots of proof that astrology does what it claims to do. that will require lots of research, lots of subjects, lots of time and lots of theories from other disciplines such as physics and biology to make my opinion a reality. and here's another opinion (and you know what they say about those!:rolleyes: ) for what it's worth. lot's of love, krista

[revyuk]

there are pics like this that make it hard to believe that they are simply light anomalies...

http://www.eceti.org./images/conference_pictures_003.jpg

[revyuk]

appoliges, the pic is rather large :)

[SuperManny]

appoliges, the pic is rather large :)sometimes the pictures will size up better if you post them on a photo-hosting site, like photobucket and then copy from there. btw, that's an awesome pic, i've never seen that many orbs!

and thank you one66 for sharing your pics. do you remember what the mood was at the time it was taken? that's probably a better indicator than anything, imho. oh, and did you ask them to appear?;) the linked article says that worked best.:d

[One 66]

supermanny,

the mood for both occasions was really joyous and appreciative since we as a family have never really gotten together like these two occasions before. it was something that was done to uplift our spirits considering what had happened several months before.

i appreciate you asking, thanks. :)

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[SuperManny]

supermanny,
the mood for both occasions was really joyous and appreciative since we as a family have never really gotten together like these two occasions before. it was something that was done to uplift our spirits considering what had happened several months before.
i appreciate you asking, thanks. :)

one 66i can't think of an atmosphere more conducive to attracting those 'whatever-they-are's.
that in itself tells me so much more than any study conducted by anyone could ever convince me of,
(apologies to billybobbutterball blabbering bout balls of bubbly brilliance being bogus:))