Global warming [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

Tarzan

11-10-2001, 12:00 PM

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>Weather Watchers,
>
>http://www.rense.com/general16/warmestbritishautumn.htm
>
>This article indicates that the dramatic changes/overlaps in the seasons are hitting the 'ground-zero' point of the 'illoonynaughty-land' quite strongly. 
>
>Seth

martinhnl

05-10-2002, 12:19 PM

Hi David and group,

A few links I found which give a clear view of what is going on these
days.

Seems global warming is really accelerating.

http://www.osu.edu/units/research/archive/glacgone.htm

http://www.osu.edu/units/research/archive/guliya.htm

http://www.acs.ohio-state.edu/units/research/archive/bona-
churchill.htm

http://www-bprc.mps.ohio-state.edu/Icecore/Abstracts/LGT01-1a.pdf

Happy reading,

Martin

autocannibal

05-10-2002, 03:06 PM

the other day c-18 iceberg was created... breakoff from ross.
was just looking today and they have updated.

http://www.natice.noaa.gov/c-18.htm

notice the url, and that it is actually C-19. they forgot all about
c-18 because c-19 is SO HUGE!!

was just saying that the other day to my dad...
"that big piece looks like it gonna come off"
lol yipes

bjorn_nitmou

02-01-2007, 06:51 AM

So RA said in Davids last reading that GLOBAL warming is not caused by
our human efforts with pollution as I understand it.

Therefore, as some official from Canada recently put forth, is the
Global Warming media hype really just meant to siphon wealth away from
richer countries by the global elite?

mario_leme2

02-01-2007, 09:21 AM

It is very easy to ask questions that might raise implications that
the midia is compromised with some grander scheme, but then it should
be also easy to contemplate the fact that it is just as much part of
the dog being wagged by the tail as the whole rest of the planet.

The fact remains that almost NO ONE outside some scientific circles
and groups of discussion such as this is even prone to regard the
question of the impending Ice Age with any degree of seriousness.

That should by now be a planetarian governmental issue, but no one
cares enough, and so of course it is crystal clear that that is
exactly the way it is supposed to be. In that sense, Ice Ages are most
probably Gaia's self regulation system, which is supposed to "take
care" of the elements which have been destroying it.

Other than that (and please rest assured that by no means I mean to
mock, disregard or even disagree with the presented findings of RA,
who am I to do so), if we consider the argument you have reproduced in
its purest most naked logical sense than we may see the following:
none of these two things hast been said by those who raise the issue
of today's unprecedented global warming:
1. they did not say that global warmings were not ever present before,
only that the ratio of the current one is way above those of the
precedent warmings;
2. therefore they did not say that the actual warming was caused by
human actions alone, only that humans have decisively contributed to
the uprise of its SCALE.

What they have NOT done, which even strengthens the above point I've
made, btw, has been to warn people about the next Ice Age and the
possibility that the warming - along with other factors such as
erupting underground volcanoes - might be the factor that will
actually provoke the Ice Age.

So there seems to be a misconception about the question, at least as
far as I can perceive it.

I guess that what we do have to consider in regard of this question is
that our impressions about the facts that concern this issue are most
probably utterly irrelevant to whatever it is that awaits us as a
global unit, unless we would start to do our homework of living in
harmony with the planet, do it quickly and do it well... but facing
the next opportunity, for this one seems to have been lost.

All in all, then, it seems that we are just contemplating another
lesson in life, one which is not actually any deeper and wider than
the rest, per se, but yet one that DOES reach our collective
consciousness quite strikingly, as if to help us to open our eyes and
shake the dust off of our collective souls as we ascend toward the
light in form of positive action.

02-02-2007, 10:08 AM

It's quite a stretch to take "global warming IS NOT CAUSED BY" human
polluton and then ask "is the Global Warming media hype...?"

To say "is not caused by" is NOT a denial of the existence of global
warming. It IS NOT saying we/i/ you are incapable of affecting global
warming. And it IS NOT saying that we/i/you have had no effect on the
global warming BY VIRTUE OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS. Prima facie, it is an
admission that global warming DOES indeed EXIST, and it's not caused by
human pollution.

The Ra material points to a need for us to experience turbulent climatic
conditions as a part of earth's ransition from a 3d to 4d planet. Human
consciousness affects the severity of such turbulence; the consciousness
that it refers to is a spiritual choice of oneness versus separateness.
I suspect that opinions of what causes global warming don't necessarily
reflect spiritual choices, unless the opinion reflects the attitude that
global warming is THEIR PROBLEM, NOT MY PROBLEM. That attitude reflects
no spiritual concern for the connectedness of one to one to all.

Peace & Love, pi

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ZMC9qeVN94FIDH5XvhtuQNaRs4PDgoPhHwb4us K45OiOujyLtzNMuSNXODEhd7kJzsZ2ueyWO2NE_ROYpmU), "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@...> wrote:
> So RA said in Davids last reading that GLOBAL warming is not caused by
> our human efforts with pollution as I understand it.
> Therefore, as some official from Canada recently put forth, is the
> Global Warming media hype really just meant to siphon wealth away from
> richer countries by the global elite?

bjorn_nitmou

02-03-2007, 11:17 AM

Yea, I was just saying that RA suggested something natural is occuring that is
causing
Global Warming. BUT, the media in the US is highly contolled and if a message
gets
through it is not by accdient. The US media is clearly allowing a message that
GW is
caused by humans to take hold.

Clearly there are POWERS that be that want you to think that GW is caused by
human
factors. Thus, they would then have you believe that the solution lies in
things like the
Kyoto protocal and other methods that could syphon money from the American
economy.

SO Im just saying that it could be that the Secret Power Elite have a plan at
hand here as
far as transfering wealth from one part of society to another. Also, most
liberal new age
what ever you may be, usually support the theory that GW is caused by humans.

So to here RA say that it isnt totally caused by humans is interesting. It goes
to show that
the PTB see some way to profit by having people believe in global warming is
caused by
humans.

As a liberal, it seems due to RA, I may actually come to have something in
common with
these Republicans that are always yelling at me.

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=y3aghwllI2T5lwdR081MqUFOe1w_HCahYMBQhV ZU-GjUIfUNxoQnmXaaKHtEQ_YY3h6578d6Wwv_AMw), "Pi" <johnnypi@...> wrote:
>
> It's quite a stretch to take "global warming IS NOT CAUSED BY" human
> polluton and then ask "is the Global Warming media hype...?"
>
> To say "is not caused by" is NOT a denial of the existence of global
> warming. It IS NOT saying we/i/ you are incapable of affecting global
> warming. And it IS NOT saying that we/i/you have had no effect on the
> global warming BY VIRTUE OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS. Prima facie, it is an
> admission that global warming DOES indeed EXIST, and it's not caused by
> human pollution.
>
> The Ra material points to a need for us to experience turbulent climatic
> conditions as a part of earth's ransition from a 3d to 4d planet. Human
> consciousness affects the severity of such turbulence; the consciousness
> that it refers to is a spiritual choice of oneness versus separateness.
> I suspect that opinions of what causes global warming don't necessarily
> reflect spiritual choices, unless the opinion reflects the attitude that
> global warming is THEIR PROBLEM, NOT MY PROBLEM. That attitude reflects
> no spiritual concern for the connectedness of one to one to all.
>
> Peace & Love, pi
>

Mr Gary T.

02-03-2007, 12:23 PM

Hi Bjorn,

Pi's points are good ones and should be borne in mind but basically I fully
agree with you. I too feel that the manipulative powers-that-be are being
economical with the truth, as usual. Not only Ra but also David Hawkins has
said that it is the vanity of man to believe that our actions are somehow
directly responsible for global warming. David Wilcock's wonderful exposition
on Divinecosmos.com of the (largely suppressed) fact that the entire Solar
System is experiencing an increased energy influx and is also 'heating up' puts
the lie to the asinine notion that we are somehow 'to blame' for this state of
affairs. Hawkins has opined that global warming is more the resultant of the
fact that there has been a sizeable increase in the Sun's magnetic activity.
There is no human activity causing warming phenomena on all the other members
of our Solar System and yet it is going on, so how can the mendacious servants
of the powers-that-be expect to get away with the fallacy that it is the
ordinary people who are somehow 'responsible' for this? That's a piece of
arrant nonsense that doesn't stand up to two minutes of rational analysis!
I don't know about you, but I for one am getting so tired of being made to feel
guilty about this by the pathetic mass media and their endless gutless
kow-towing to the inveterately service-to-self oriented cadres that are seeking
to turn a buck for themselves even out of something like this that I'm going to
throw a shoe at the TV the next time some gormless TV functionary broaches
this!

Disclaimer: NONE of the above is to be construed as meaning that I am not
sympathetic to initiatives to get things like industrial pollution and general
mindless predation of the natural environment terminated. I am VERY
sympathetic!

Gary T.
--- bjorn_nitmou <bjorn_nitmou@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=nkEyIC1ZrmOH7GmSQu4-vKLIBaY7hDQHZfC7TBu3hQY9jGAPeUHzfKeS0R-mElj7IQlNtCJhPrJjD_xL0-LTcA)> wrote:

> Yea, I was just saying that RA suggested something natural is occuring that
> is causing Global Warming. BUT, the media in the US is highly contolled and
> if a message gets through it is not by accident. The US media is
> clearly allowing a message that GW is caused by humans to take hold.
>
> So to here RA say that it isnt totally caused by humans is interesting. It
> goes to show that the PTB see some way to profit by having people believe in
> global warming is caused by humans.
>
>
> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=WRC6k--6IH3oEKpIUDfl-YIrS6oCoqs_hcko9ib2eYHdzTqVtZkCbViOVG2yU-twA_OudbyiMa_FWFs), "Pi" <johnnypi@...> wrote:
> >
> > It's quite a stretch to take "global warming IS NOT CAUSED BY" human
> > polluton and then ask "is the Global Warming media hype...?"
> >
> > To say "is not caused by" is NOT a denial of the existence of global
> > warming. It IS NOT saying we/i/ you are incapable of affecting global
> > warming. And it IS NOT saying that we/i/you have had no effect on the
> > global warming BY VIRTUE OF HUMAN CONSCIOUSNESS. Prima facie, it is an
> > admission that global warming DOES indeed EXIST, and it's not caused by
> > human pollution.
> >
> > The Ra material points to a need for us to experience turbulent climatic
> > conditions as a part of earth's ransition from a 3d to 4d planet. Human
> > consciousness affects the severity of such turbulence; the consciousness
> > that it refers to is a spiritual choice of oneness versus separateness.
> > I suspect that opinions of what causes global warming don't necessarily
> > reflect spiritual choices, unless the opinion reflects the attitude that
> > global warming is THEIR PROBLEM, NOT MY PROBLEM. That attitude reflects
> > no spiritual concern for the connectedness of one to one to all.
> >
> > Peace & Love, pi

darrel clark

02-03-2007, 02:53 PM

global-warming is but an in-joke postulated by 7th-density archangels-causing it
to happen for the evolutionary necessity of those in the evergoing process of
waking up from the world-dream...anyway-so I'm told. ----Darrel
----- Original Message -----
From: Mr Gary T.
Hi Bjorn,

Not only Ra but also David Hawkins has
said that it is the vanity of man to believe that our actions are somehow
directly responsible for global warming. David Wilcock's wonderful exposition
on Divinecosmos.com of the (largely suppressed) fact that the entire Solar
System is experiencing an increased energy influx and is also 'heating up'
puts
the lie to the asinine notion that we are somehow 'to blame' for this state of
affairs. Hawkins has opined that global warming is more the resultant of the
fact that there has been a sizeable increase in the Sun's magnetic activity.

Charles Cox

02-03-2007, 05:53 PM

Being a University student studying science and spending a great deal
of time working with "dynamical systems" (ODEs,PDEs,Discrete DS
etc.), I've been exposed to a great deal of academic-minded
information about global warming. What scientists "agree" upon is
that CO2 is involved in an otherwise natural process which leads to
temperature changes in our atmosphere. The exact process by which
this occurs is not exactly understood but there is strong correlatory
evidence that the CO2 levels and average annual temperatures are
related.

While distinguishing a cause and effect is probably more complex than
anyone is willing to admit, the correlation is of primary interest.
If CO2 levels and earth's natural warming and cooling cycles are
interrelated, and if we have greatly increased the volume of one of
those, the result could lead to a much more violent shift and change
than would otherwise happen. It is as if we have introduced more
energy to a semi-chaotic oscillator which could push it fully into
the chaotic region. Inevitably the result of such a change would be
more than just "warming" ...

I would agree 100% with the popular media that something should be
changed. We may not be causing global warming with our CO2
emissions, but the emissions may be destabilizing a natural process
and could have truly unpredictable results. We simply don't know
what will come from our actions, but the simplistic (relatively)
predictions we DO have are bleaque to say the least.

Is there a conspiracy involved? Beside people not wanting to
relinquish power they've accumulated (synonymous with not wanting to
jeopardize their highly STS polarity) I doubt anyone has a sincere
desire to deceive the world populace.... That said, the above
mentioned reason is plenty for the resistance to change we've already
been seeing and which, in my opinion, popular media methods have just
recently begun to make good progress with resolving.

02-04-2007, 08:57 AM

The simplicity with global warming is that both "sides" are
right. Yes, the sun is rapidly changing along with other cosmic
processes that the general public are kept in the dark about, and this
is causing global warming. But if the sun was not changing and its
behavior and cycles were similar to the past, as the general public
thinks is the case, the vast change in CO2 caused by humans would
explain the increasing climate change that's happening. Both causes
contribute to the warming, and there is no either/or about it.

All the best, Ed

02-04-2007, 04:02 PM

The point of my prior post in this thread got lost in the sauce of
wordiness, so I'll try again. I see global warming as a service-to-
self tool of the media, but that's nothing new or obscene. It's just
the way it is. It was politically correct to use insane and `foolish'
when referring to claims of global warming two years ago, just as it
is now to claim that pollution is the cause. It's just the way it is.
But as I read the Law of One, media, pollution, and global warming
are irrelevant issues; and global warming is not inevitable.

My point is that global warming is a karma of human consciousness, In
the introduction of Book One, Ra describes such s problem this way:
"There is a season upon your planet which shall be highly traumatic
within your physical illusion. The physical reasons for this are
varied. Your scientists will spend a great deal of time, while they
can, in attempting to catalog and describe each of the conditions
which will produce disaster on this physical plane of your planet.
That which your scientists speak of is quite so?
"It is not either permissible or possible for us to tell you
precisely what events will occur, or when they will occur, due to the
fact that THE VIBRATION WITHIN THE MIND AND HEART OF THE PEOPLES UPON
YOUR PLANET IS DETERMINING AND WILL DETERMINE THE PRECISE EVENTS. ?
WITHIN THE PLANET EARTH A GREAT DEAL OF KARMA WHICH MUST BE ADJUSTED
as the cycle changes, and these things will manifest. ?THE RAIN, AND
THE WIND, AND FIRE, WILL DESTROY ONLY THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN WHAT
YOU CALL THE THIRD DENSITY OF VIBRATION. You may value those things
because you cannot imagine what a fourth-density existence will be
like. We suggest ?you spend no time concerning yourselves with the
effort of maintaining your third density existence after the
vibration change to fourth density has been completed."

Preventing climatic cataclysm is possible by the free will of human
consciousness. In Session 65, Ra says:
"?although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus
offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always?peace, love,
light, and joy?.the infinite possibilities of the present moment.
Could your planet polarize towards harmony [and avoid planetary
cataclysms] in one fine, strong, moment of inspiration? ?probable;
but it is ever possible."
"Ra: In the event of mixed harvest there is nearly always disharmony
and therefore, added catalyst in the form of your so-called `Earth
changes.' In this assumption you are correct.
"Q:...the added catalyst at the end of the cycle is a function
specifically of the orientation of the consciousness that inhabits
the planet. The consciousness has provided the catalyst for itself in
orienting its thinking in the way it has oriented it, thus acting
upon itself the same as catalyst of bodily pain and disease act upon
[one]. ?the planetary entity [is] somewhat of a single entity made up
of billions of mind/body/spirit complexes. Is my viewpoint correct?
"Ra:?You are quite correct."

The impact of human consciousness may be more ambiguous than i am
suggesting. My point, however, is to center attention on "peace,
love, light, and joy" and on "the infinite possibilities of the
present moment" in lieu of resolving global warming and pollution. Ra
says this succinctly in Fragment 43, Session 84, Book 5, as follows:
"Q: Andrija Puharich asks about the coming physical changes.... Is
there anything that we could relay to him about that?
Ra: We may confirm?[and] suggest that it is a grand choice that each
may make to, by desire, collect the details of the day or, by desire,
seek the keys to unknowing."

Peace and Love, pi

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=7T1hd5Mwr8ga3RCnpYLoIC-_dwxo1k2Yyg3O4XoJ3O3zmmYEO0htsumAsjSHivtqKRzJr9z7l jjP0-qgRso), Ed wrote:
But if the sun was not changing and its behavior and cycles were
similar to the past, as the general public thinks is the case, the
vast change in CO2 caused by humans would explain the increasing
climate change that's happening. Both causes contribute to the
warming, and there is no either/or about it.

John

02-04-2007, 05:51 PM

Dear Charles, Pi and everybody,

First maybe some sort of apology. So far I've been lurking while enjoying all
those interesting and thoughtful posts :) Basically, I felt I was either too
busy "saving the world" or that I didn't have a lot to contribute.

But as someone who's been rather actively involved in environmental, political
and social issues for more than 30 years I felt I had to drop a note regarding
this global warming thread.

I am aware of the research that shows energetic changes all over the solar
system and also of Seth's statement that "you create your own reality", which I
believe is true. I may also be correct that the sun does contribute to global
warming on Earth.

I certainly and wholeheartedly agree with Charles that some things need to
change: from, say organic or even bio-dynamic agriculture and non-destructive
water and implosion technologies like those Viktor Schauberger developed and
envisioned to humans becoming a lot more aware of the impact their actions have
on their fellow humans and the planet. It seems we actually have to do and
create these things, just wishing for them to manifest won't hack it!

But to say that humans are not responsible for all the pollution and release of
greenhouse gases (besides all that social injustice, hunger and poverty) I think
is just not supported by the evidence. It also gives people a wonderful excuse
to keep hitting "the snooze button". And to imply that hundreds or thousands of
scientists have got it all wrong is IMHO perhaps a tad arrogant. I just don't
think it's fair to say that all scientists are either paid by companies and
therefore their research is biased or that they are all blind to facts pointing
to explanations other than 3-D. Cases in point may be Hal Puthoff, Graham
Hancock, Rupert Sheldrake or Michael Cremo, to name but a few.

And as for the media, I find that alternative media like e.g. KPFA, Rense.com,
Whitley Strieber's Unknown Country or more left-leaning papers like the Guardian
or the Independent (both in the UK) report A LOT more about global warming and
other environmental problems than the US corporate media (... service-to-self
tool of the media).

And who's for example going to buy things like Fairtrade coffee, organic produce
or apparel not made in sweatshops, etc., etc. if we all do nothing but being
"lovey-dovey" without taking tangible action to change things for the better??

On a personal note, not from the MSM (mainstream media) but the info provided by
orgs like Greenpace, the NRDC, Robin Wood or the UCS I have learned so much
about environmental, social and other issues, which has helped me a great deal
to live more sustainably.

I am 53 now. But I remember all too well the stink of the exhausts of the cars
40 years back, which thank god technology has improved upon. And recently the
BBC reported about one of the severely polluted Chinese villages situated near
one of those hundreds of coal-fired power plants there. The pollution came from
the cars and the plants, not the people!

What has to change, of course, is people's self-centered "After me - the Deluge"
attitude and short-term thinking!

I'm sorry for being so blunt. But it seems that with some people arguing is
rather pointless. They'll stick to their opinion no matter the amount of
sensible arguments or credible research, "fringe", alternative or mainstream is
presented. I also keep running into this
"talking-about-spirituality-but-doing-nothing attitude" among many of my fellow
"Active Indigos", a Yahoo group I founded in the fall of 2003.

My apologies for this somewhat longish and perhaps less than cordial post.

John
-------
Being a University student studying science and spending a great deal of time
working with "dynamical systems" (ODEs, PDEs, Discrete DS, etc.), I've been
exposed to a great deal of academic-minded information about global warming.
What scientists "agree" upon is that CO2 is involved in an otherwise natural
process which leads to temperature changes in our atmosphere. The exact process
by which this occurs is not exactly understood but there is strong correlatory
evidence that the CO2 levels and average annual temperatures are related.

------------
My point is that global warming is a karma of human consciousness, in the
introduction of Book One, Ra describes such as problem this way: "There is a
season upon your planet which shall be highly traumatic within your physical
illusion. The physical reasons for this are varied. Your scientists will spend a
great deal of time, while they can, in attempting to catalog and describe each
of the conditions which will produce disaster on this physical plane of your
planet. That which your scientists speak of is quite so? "It is not either
permissible or possible for us to tell you precisely what events will occur, or
when they will occur, due to the fact that THE VIBRATION WITHIN THE MIND AND
HEART OF THE PEOPLES UPON YOUR PLANET IS DETERMINING AND WILL DETERMINE THE
PRECISE EVENTS. ? WITHIN THE PLANET EARTH A GREAT DEAL OF KARMA WHICH MUST BE
ADJUSTED as the cycle changes, and these things will manifest. ?THE RAIN, AND
THE WIND, AND FIRE, WILL DESTROY ONLY THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE IN WHAT YOU CALL
THE THIRD DENSITY OF VIBRATION.
Peace and Love, Pi