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jonna

08-31-2001, 03:27 AM

in the ra material in book 3 (i think) ra speaks of the tones in our ears
determining our positive or negative orientation. can anyone explain more
what this means? is he talking about the ringing we get in our ears? i
looked back through the book but couldn't find that reference.

also, does anyone know what the spiritual significance of a person having
three sets of teeth is? a baby set and two adult sets, one of which were
pulled at childhood while the other was allowed to grow? the second set of
adult teeth is remarkably resistant to decay.

thanks,
j

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Jeremy Weiland

08-31-2001, 01:00 PM

> in the ra material in book 3 (i think) ra speaks of the tones in our ears
> determining our positive or negative orientation. can anyone explain more
> what this means? is he talking about the ringing we get in our ears? i
> looked back through the book but couldn't find that reference.

i'm not sure if it was ra, but i read somewhere that you could tell the
what orientation being was influencing you or was in the vicinity by which
ear you heard it in, left or right. right = sto, left = sts.

not sure if i buy that, but that's the only other info i can think of
relating to the ear ringing. i think david's mentioned something on this
before, check the archives.

jeremy

Tiffani Boswell

11-01-2001, 07:54 AM

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>ok i am about 2/3 through soa
>
>first...does anyone have or has anyone tried to create some sort of flash or animation of this cu (well as i am understanding when i read it) the sphere that "breathes" out and in spirals and they touch eachother and create nodes etc...
>
>right..well i tried to see this in my head and then on paper....2d...just didn't work so then i tried to draw it in the air...
>
>well does anyone have an animation....
>
>another one that would be helpful is the "breathing" of the sphere through each of the dimensional shapes back to the sphere....
>
>anyone anyone?
>
>also .. off this topic...i have been hearing alot about paul solomon lately...how does his stuff line up with ra? and does anyone know much about him?
>
>thanks tiffani

Jeremy Weiland

11-24-2003, 08:39 AM

> thank you for your guidlines and rules of
> participation. i hope that i am in compliance with
> my questions as copied and pasted below. i am
> assuming that the guidline are sent as a formality
> only for participation, but might assume otherwise
> as my questions and discussion were not addressed?

such an assumption would be unfortunate. the
yahoo!groups system sends out the guidelines
automatically every two weeks (i believe). the
message is a reminder and not addressed to any
particular member. either david or i take it upon
ourselves to personally contact any members who need a
more "individualized" request for the tuning of
conversation to those frequencies at which we seek to
resonate on this list.

> perhaps it is forthcoming? it is my sincere desire
> to simply further my understandings along my path,
> and that in no way have i offended or stepped out of

> the boundries outlined.

your path appears overwhelmingly in tune with our
collective seeking in this group. as to your concern
about not receiving an answer to your question, please
understand that we are *all* seekers here - none of us
have the answers all the time. indeed, speaking only
for myself, i have gone through a rather stagnant
spiritual time and have not been terribly interested
in the conversations occuring on this list. it was
strongly suggested that i take a more proactive
approach in leveraging the wonderful resource that
this list represents and start engaging in
conversation which would necessarily cause me to seek
on a personal level more intensely.

so if i have not been there for you, i apologize - we
all have doldrums in the trade winds of life. rest
assured: i intend to participate more fully in the
future, and i'm sure the other brilliant lights on
this list will continue to help one another as
diligently as possible. please don't take a lack of
response as a reflection on you personally.

> 1st/2nd density:
> i have recently become intrigued with questions
> involving 1st and 2nd density 'beingness' as regards
> the ra matrial, and our possible need to experience
> same. do we? on asking one ra student and scholar
> his opinion, as stated below, it is his opinion that
> more often than not "we", as man/3rd density beings,

> need not experience anything as far down as 1st or
> 2nd density.

well, remember in book 3, session 52 or 54, where ra
talks about (11:11) how the primary purpose of an
entity is not just in *unblocking* the energy centers
as necessary, but also in *balancing* the frequencies.
this seems to necessitate the visitation of all
frequencies of energy to attain a state where the is
harmony among all. it is well to focus where there is
blockage, of course. but there is no call to
"exclude" certain frequencies, especially those
radiated by the lower centers. indeed, i remember ra
cautioning against the opening of the higher centers
without the balancing of the lower. work on the lower
centers is always beneficial because if your filtering
out love/light at the start of the current, you don't
have it available later on in the current, right?

> answer: no.when the oneness fragmented, it did not
> fragment from first density on upward, but rather
> worked down to first density. so, there have been
> beings that have never been down that far.

this is an interesting idea - where did this answer
come from?

may i also point out, this still doesn't necessitate
the *exclusion* of the lower energies/centers. if
your goal is oneness, and your true nature is oneness,
then the incidental stops along the path are not as
fundamental as the integration of that energy that
brings you closer to oneness. in my experience and
understanding, you never go wrong with work on the
lower centers because they are usually the impediments
to work with the higher centers.

one of the ideas i've been working with lately has
been the potential / kinetic dichotomy of the catalyst
associated with the energy centers. blockages in red
ray prevent a kinetic that empowers the green ray
(session 54), and a similar dynamic exists with
orange/blue and yellow/indigo. i planned on posting
about this later, so i won't go into superfluous
detail, but there is always a connection between the
fundamental centers and the more radiative centers.

> however, several law of one scholars speculate that
> all beings must pass through the density of "the
> choice" (i.e. third density) before they can
> graduate to seventh density. so this wanderer path
> might well be a requirement, at one time or another,

> in one's curriculum.

right. i would avoid any mindset that excludes any
energies, and always embrace a mindset that looks at
all centers as in need of fine-tuning, at the very
least.

> does this question not pre-suppose the idea that we
> in fact do evolve from 1st through 7th, and have
thus
> in fact inhabited 1st and 2nd densities?

i would say yes, insofar as we have a primitive
understanding of "time". our concept of evolution
through the densities occurs in a 3d framework as a
"timeline". there is a sense of past-present-future
time that occurs necessarily as a result of the focus
of our consciousness into (at least) the 3d
personality shell, but remember that this sense of
time may not reflect a complete understanding of
reality.

it's not overly necessary we have exact knowledge of
where we've been on the evolutionary train - since all
energies are potential areas of further development,
we have only take stock of our present "position" and
devise a strategy for moving forward.

i've written enough for now, i'll try to come back to
your other questions later. thanks for sharing your
vibration with us. :-)

in love and light,

jeremy

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11-24-2003, 11:43 AM

dear jeremy,
thank you so very much for your reassurances and
response. i look forward to a meaningful dialogue with
you, as well as with david, if even but for a short
period, or only several topics. like yourselves, i too
have felt the heaviness of stagnation on my heart, no
doubt as a result of concerns of the day, sometimes
overwhelminmgly so, as more than enough what with all
the chopping wood and carrying water as it were.
spilled buckets and splinters strewn all about at
times don't you know. but we move on and continue
"turning" the pages. "tuning" the pages might be more
specific of course, but the difference seems to blur
at times, does it not? here then is our discussion:

my original question:
1st/2nd density:
> > i have recently become intrigued with questions
> > involving 1st and 2nd density 'beingness' as
> regards
> > the ra matrial, and our possible need to
> experience
> > same. do we? on asking one ra student and scholar
> > his opinion, as stated below, it is his opinion
> that more often than not "we", as man/3rd density
> beings,need not experience anything as far down as
1st or 2nd density.

your response:
well, remember in book 3, session 52 or 54, where ra
> talks about (11:11) how the primary purpose of an
> entity is not just in *unblocking* the energy
> centers
> as necessary, but also in *balancing* the
> frequencies.
> this seems to necessitate the visitation of all
> frequencies of energy to attain a state where the is
> harmony among all. it is well to focus where there
> is
> blockage, of course. but there is no call to
> "exclude" certain frequencies, especially those
> radiated by the lower centers. indeed, i remember
> ra
> cautioning against the opening of the higher centers
> without the balancing of the lower. work on the
> lower
> centers is always beneficial because if your
> filtering
> out love/light at the start of the current, you
> don't
> have it available later on in the current, right?

david's response:
> > no.when the oneness fragmented, it did not
> > fragment from first density on upward, but rather
> > worked down to first density. so, there have been
> > beings that have never been down that far.

your response: this is an interesting idea - where did
this answer
> come from?

answer: this in fact, as stated above, came from your
collegue and friend david wilcock who generously
responded first to my question. i omitted his name in
my inquiry looking only for discussion and
understanding and assume it appropriate here in this
context given your association with him as a means of
further study.

he continues:
> > however, several law of one scholars speculate
> > that
> > all beings must pass through the density of "the
> > choice" (i.e. third density) before they can
> > graduate to seventh density. so this wanderer path
>
> > might well be a requirement, at one time or
> another, in one's curriculum.

you conclude:
> i've written enough for now, i'll try to come back
> to
> your other questions later. thanks for sharing your
> vibration with us. :-)
>
> in love and light,
>
> jeremy

thank you once again jeremy,and you as well david if
your also reading this. i certainly look forward to
either or both of your responses( both preferably) as
there seems to be a diffrence. it seems clear enough,
and is of course obvious that there must be,
differences in interpretation, even in what i assume
is close working relationships such as your own and
david's. it is lesson once again that as nebulous as
information so finely thread as this is, difference in
interpretation must be inevitable. it is in fact core
and central as example to reason why we are in fact
here. no?

i leave you with the humor of the great sage, prophet,
and guru, groucho marx, and one of his jokes:
"doctor, doctor, my brother thinks he's a chicken" ,
to which the doctor responds,
"why don't you tell him he isn't?" ,
to which the man responds,
"we can't doc, we need the eggs."
we're all ultimately here for the eggs, are we not, in
spite of being anything but chickens?

thank you, and much humor and light back at ya,
d'trick (spelled dietrich)

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Beverly Thompson

11-25-2003, 06:51 AM

the primary purpose of an
entity is not just in *unblocking* the energy centers
as necessary, but also in *balancing* the frequencies.
this seems to necessitate the visitation of all
frequencies of energy to attain a state where the is
harmony among all. it is well to focus where there is
blockage, of course. but there is no call to
"exclude" certain frequencies, especially those
radiated by the lower centers.

dear asc2k friends:
i have always been intrigued as to how our chakra colors correspond to the
visible light spectrum, and i have envisioned a "rainbow halo" around the
earth which also corresponds to the earth's chakra system and all our root
chakras are at the red level of the rainbow, our sacral chakras are at the
yellow level of the rainbow, etc., connecting us all at each level. to me,
it wouldn't be a rainbow if we eliminated any of the colors, and we wouldn't
be whole if we "excluded" any of our chakras/frequencies.
healing love,
bev