Freemasonry

[voidzero]

without jumping into conspiracy theories, i am wondering if freemasonry is oriented into the service to self, or service to other polarization. of course the members must be of mixed polarization, however, about their rituals i am less certain; do they provoke service to self or service to others?

basically i'm asking this because i wonder what would happen when a (highly) service to others individual would join this group. freemasons use symbology, discussion, self-reflection, rituals and provide a kind environment for like minded individuals. some are elitist but i'm not sure if this can be applied in general.

dear souls, kindred spirits, please enlighten my perspective on this group of individuals. i am a student of the law of one before everything else, and i do not want to bear false judgments. or any judgment for that matter. therefore i'm not against the freemasons yet; mostly i believe that negative people come from everywhere. what i mean is that freemasonry doesn't have to be the cause. or is it? :)

[soup]

i was talking with a man from italy who disclosed something - if one wants to know what the culture of a country is, look at the currency. so he pulled out all sorts of us bills and looked on the reverse side. what seems in common? the grand buildings, the grand structures appear in every case.
who built such grand buildings, the foundation of us infrastructure, mostly of rock? its likely the freemasons. i'd bet that it is likewise sustained by freemasons, i.e. in the form of venture capital put into or invested in things like for example computer hardware and software development that comprises the global internet. the fruits of freemasonry seem largely "service to others" oriented, though it doesn't seem bragged about. i met a woman once who had a friend who's grandfather was a freemason grandmaster - she claimed he seemed as one of the most powerful (influential) men in the world, so powerful she was greatly spooked about it.

[pyramidnj]

therefore i'm not against the freemasons yet; mostly i believe that negative people come from everywhere.

voidzero: at some point, you may find that it is empowering to become the neutral observer who is neither for nor against, but who is aware of the diverse aspects that create the specific identity of an organization, spiritual path, person, etc. you then consciously sense whether or not it resonates or not with you without disempowering yourself by taking sides. how does that sound to you?;)

jo anne

[billybobbutterball]

without jumping into conspiracy theories, i am wondering if freemasonry is oriented into the service to self, or service to other polarization. of course the members must be of mixed polarization, however, about their rituals i am less certain; do they provoke service to self or service to others?

basically i'm asking this because i wonder what would happen when a (highly) service to others individual would join this group. freemasons use symbology, discussion, self-reflection, rituals and provide a kind environment for like minded individuals. some are elitist but i'm not sure if this can be applied in general.

dear souls, kindred spirits, please enlighten my perspective on this group of individuals. i am a student of the law of one before everything else, and i do not want to bear false judgments. or any judgment for that matter. therefore i'm not against the freemasons yet; mostly i believe that negative people come from everywhere. what i mean is that freemasonry doesn't have to be the cause. or is it? :)

dear void zero, your question is not all that simple since the mason's organization is not homogeneous from bottom to top. the problem is that you can't tell a book from its cover. the showcased public face and avowed philanthropic philosophy of the outer "church" is not at all that contained in the secret policies and goals of the modern, ruling inner circle. the average, socially well-intentioned mason hasn't a clue about what is really going on at stratospheric levels far above that of the noted 33rd degree.

in other words it is impossible to leave out the "conspiracy" issue as you have asked.

i would imagine that many of an sto bent can indeed be found in the soldier/pawn ranks, and i'm not discounting the positive effects that have been achieved in the past ... as it has been long ago pointed out the birthing of america was their brilliant brainchild. i don't remember all that much about the rituals, but i doubt that they are designed to be neutral and most likely they tap into negatives influences lurking in the astral.

to help settle the question in your mind i would suggest that you google rense.com to see what oodles of info. you can dig up. anyone that happen to be a christian should be made aware that the masonic leadership have declared their enmity to the figure of christ -- and that of course includes institutions theologically grounded on the jesus story. come to think of it they don't much like muslims either. i'm not sure how they would bring it about, but they might figure out some way to start a conflict between the two sides. i can't think of whom it might be, but most likely they will have to involve a third party. :rolleyes:

hope that helps.... (sorry about dragging in the ct stuff )

billybobby...who is now returning to concentrating on the positive! :)

[soup]

...anyone that happen to be a christian should be made aware that the masonic leadership have declared their enmity to the figure of christ...

when i read this it reminded me of the idea that the templars were burned at the stake (on friday the 13th) and that there may be some age old animosity held between such factions. if one attributes the structure of the "monetary system" to the masons, then it seems the masons have the advantage - investments in things like motion picture disclosures seem to have greater influence on society than sunday services, (though difficult to generalize.)

[voidzero]

well thank you all for your replies. actually i thought i already had replied to this but apparently i made a mistake. :)

it's an interesting subject, and i figured that, because people that join are both sto and sts, and if there's a greater goal for both, the only thing that can tap into a magical source unknown to most are the rituals themselves. but maybe this is also perceived wrongly, maybe it's simply so that these tools will remain tools, and whether they open a door to sts or sto is still chosen by the person who is in the center of the ritual being performed.

currently i am reading book 4 of the ra material; and am starting to grasp the idea of the arcane mind, that according to ra can be understood by either studying the tarot (my choice since years ago), astronomy or the tree of life. i was unaware of the depth of this mystical sea, but i'm starting to realize that conscious activation of this mind also has the ability to grasp magical concepts, and i think that masonic rituals tap into that source as well. still, i am a bit uncertain about the polarity on which this mainly was built.

[soup]

...i'm starting to realize that conscious activation of this mind also has the ability to grasp magical concepts, and i think that masonic rituals tap into that source as well. still, i am a bit uncertain about the polarity on which this mainly was built....

i recently read some articles in "evolve" magazine (vol.6,no.3) that seems to talk about these concepts, articles that relate to the work of james wasserman and una birch that include some historical background through which further reading may shed light on the "polarity of its foundation."

within the ra materials seems a reluctance related to allowing sacred knowledge (i.e. related to the pyramids) slip into the hands of an ellite class, stemming from a mistake that happened long ago. (this mistake seems to influence ra's choice of interaction in modern times.)

it may be that this mistake pertains to this issue related to the "polarity of freemasonry foundations." in this respect, the polarity of the more influential apex of the structure may be the bigger question in that the degrees of freemasonry seem to be hierarchal in nature.

[billybobbutterball]

well thank you all for your replies. actually i thought i already had replied to this but apparently i made a mistake. :)

it's an interesting subject, and i figured that, because people that join are both sto and sts, and if there's a greater goal for both, the only thing that can tap into a magical source unknown to most are the rituals themselves. but maybe this is also perceived wrongly, maybe it's simply so that these tools will remain tools, and whether they open a door to sts or sto is still chosen by the person who is in the center of the ritual being performed.

currently i am reading book 4 of the ra material; and am starting to grasp the idea of the arcane mind, that according to ra can be understood by either studying the tarot (my choice since years ago), astronomy or the tree of life. i was unaware of the depth of this mystical sea, but i'm starting to realize that conscious activation of this mind also has the ability to grasp magical concepts, and i think that masonic rituals tap into that source as well. still, i am a bit uncertain about the polarity on which this mainly was built.

concerning adverse effects through catapulting oneself up the spiritual ladder too quickly before proper grounding...


courtesy of llresearch march 24 1991

let us take the case of those who are using gadgets such as drugs, or shapes, or methods of focusing concentration, in order to aid their service to others, for their difficulties arise from a different level than others. those who are willing to use a crutch in order to vault themselves upwards into the light, whether the crutch be drugs, or magical rituals, or whatever other occult science may be used as a gadget, have literally pulled themselves to a place for which they have not worked, and for which they well may not be ready. whether or not they are ready to experience the wisdom and light, the love and compassion, of intercourse with the deity they must reckon with the falseness of their position in the light. drugs wear off. the magical personality may crumble between the grocery store and gas station. occult wisdom may leave one without resources when something occurs that is completely against that particular dogmatic method of perceiving the archetypical mind. and alone at last with itself, this entity who has no crutch now, finds itself committed to dispensing actions and words and the very beingness of its self in a way congruent with what it has learned. the crutch is gone, but the entity is responsible for the light that that crutch has gained.

thus, it may be seen that those who by any means other than natural move themselves to transformation, must needs be responsible for that which has been gained long after the crutch has been thrown away. the more effective the use of the crutch has been to an entity, the greater will be the disparity between that entity’s awareness of truth and that entity’s ability to show it forth in the life experience.

thusly, we have always encouraged entities who seek spiritually to do so honestly and naturally, having infinite patience for the wayward, conscious self. it is in fact a breach of the love of self to use any crutch whatsoever to gain knowledge of the most high. :(

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billybobbumblingalong :)

[soup]

...the more effective the use of the crutch has been to an entity, the greater will be the disparity between that entity’s awareness of truth and that entity’s ability to show it forth in the life experience...

that's a difficult one to interpret and it may be too far removed from context to be useful for many of us.

on some level, one may argue that the general term "catalyst" can act as a crutch in some way, and that with the efficient use of catalyst one may accelerate evolution to extents that seem out of the ordinary, though isn't there free will at play to allow it so?

maybe we walk with crutches to a point where we choose to run instead, then we throw our crutches down and try to run, finding ourselves falling on our face because we've grown weak. so we get up and take baby steps for a while, then go on trying to run. what do we desire and where does that desire come from?

from some perspective, there can be acceptance of the greater scope of legitimacy than what may appear to be suggested in that passage. (possibly its some high density wisdom working to get integrated somehow.)