A question on determining polarity.

[Firewalker]

I have a question.

How do you determine the polarity of an organisation. Such as the Rosicrucians, The Mason's etc. Even a Church. As much as all the New World Order People theorists say stuff about the Mason's, I can't personally verify it (good or bad, I have no contact with the Mason's) and none of that stuff could possibly be disinfo could it (*sarcasm*). The Rosicrucians are pointed to offhandly sometimes as being negative. But After reading up on them and Alchemy etc. I wouldn't assume that. They even have used the same words that Ra used in speaking of the positive. I.e. 'The Great Work.' Also, how would you know with any veiled slightly secret organisation. I could make a credible case against practically any organisation/ group if I wanted.

Also, the same question goes for the 'Ascended Masters.' Or other spirits, how to determine their polarity. I once woke up with three words in my head. Devachanic plain, Sananda and something else. Devachanic plain I looked into and found information which fit in roughly with Ra and was very moving. http://www.global.org/Pub/CWL_Devachanic_Plane.asp (A non profit site there I think. Hope it can stay in mods). Sananda being Jesus' 'Ascended master' name, Are we to assume that he is a negative being. Ra didn't mention him.

All answers appreciated.

Namaste.

[MarkM]

Just a few thoughts without going too far into it...

For me it has helped to distinguish between people who comprise the leadership/membership of a spiritual or religious organization, and the spiritual sources that often are behind the dissemination of information.

Some organizations claim no 'divinely inspired' or channeled creedence and are philanthropic, grassroots orgs in which the members come together under a banner of simply helping others; for example, building homes for the disadvantaged. These are often, in Western society, freely grouped under the banner of inspiration of the teaching of Jesus, free of denomination or a requirement to observe a certain set of beliefs.

A pretty safe place to hang your hat.

I personally would be wary of any group that preaches any doctrine of channeled information, as virtually all channeled information is subject to filtering through the mind of the channeler and is as such tainted by the personal biases of the channeler, regardless of the good intentions of the channeler.

When considering matters of polarity (I seek the 'service to others' path, personally) and whether certain groups and/or channeled information are right for me, I have learned to make the following observances:

Beware anyone suggesting that any belief system is the best one for me.

Beware any list of 'don't do these things'.

Beware of any admonition to accept the moral or spiritual superiority of any person.

Avoid anyone or anything that tells me that I need to have any fear whatsoever.

Beware any claim of pure, undistorted teaching.

Beware any doctrine of 'damnation'.

Beware any group that purposely maintains a belief in its need to stay separate from others.

Beware any justification of violence.

Beware anyone who tells me I require any particular outer agent, group or teaching for my 'salvation',

And beware any group that exerts any pressure on me to stay within their organization.

Now, by saying 'beware', I mean I use my best judgement and am very careful. Many well intending organizations are contaminated with artfully concealed control agendas, often without the conscious awareness of their human leaders. And, of course, there are human leaders who are seeking power and control behind a facade of benevolence.

When looking for inspiration from without, I would suggest that you seek that which resonates with your own inner voice, your own joy, light-heartedness and your own personal, unique journey of discovering. You are your own best and most illuminated teacher and guide. Rely on your own higher self for guidance, first and foremost. Only you can rightfully choose your path, even as all paths are acceptable in the eyes of your creator!

There is no right or wrong, ultimately; only becoming/being One.

Yours in forgiveness, acceptance and unconditional Love, Mark

[leo scone]

Hey there Firewalker!

I'll go ahead and shoot from the hip on this one.

My intuition on organisations and their polarity is that it is merely the sum of the intentionality of all involved. To my knowledge the Masons and such groups do great good amongst the world. As well I sense the truth that much of the potential power of the organisation for STO orientation (just using them as an example, mind you) is usurped by very few strongly STS oriented beings in the "top" degrees, thus they only do SO much good, and are shadowy and secretive. Makes it hard to "rate" them.

By the fruits of their actions shall you know them. Best I can say is if it induces fear, be it an organisation or an "ascended master", be grateful for the negative offering, but of course refuse it.
If you feel Love and Peace, embrace it.

And if one can by the fruits of their own actions see that they can use an organisation to further their teach/learning in Service to Others, does it matter what the orientation of that organisation is?

Our personal discernment, each and every one of us, is what is needed these days, each as our own 4-D STO Organisation, regardless of our organisational affiliations in 3-D.

I'll let that ricochet around a bit I think.

From the hip,

Love, Blessings, and Abundance,

Frank-o

[soup]

I think that the words "secret society" trigger one's feelings of the "unknown" which in many cases is feared. It may be that the fear of death is actually the fear of the unknown in disguise. As one grows fearless, then possibly the fear of the unknown isn't as bothersome to the same extent.

In my wanderings I discovered a great paradox - that much of the secret society's secrets are not necessarily secret but disclosed in plain site for everyone to see. The problem there seems that most people act blind or live in simple denial. If one goes on a seeking path, they may find something.

The vehicles of movies is a common means of disclosure which necessarily contain glints of ambiguity in ways that people are left with a choice of what they want to believe - as careful not to infringe upon freewill.

The reason for the disclosure seems simple: closure or secrecy or promoting a false illusion of separation are hallmarks of a negative path which contains inherent limitation.

Personally I consider one of the great constructs of the Masons is the U.S.Dollar - to an extent that I understand a simple thing that many people may not realize: if you trade the U.S.Dollar then you're part of the club!
Maybe there's secrets that many club member may not be aware of...

As for the polarity of ascended masters, that seems a relative question depending upon one's perspective and polarity - as difficult to generalize,
i.e. possibly to a dog, a human being can seem like an ascended master.

At some point the question of polarity becomes less of an issue and the essence of vibration may seem more important - i.e. the ability to sustain a high vibration seems difficult with a negative polarization.

[Billuminous]

As far as the harvest is concerned...how is it is actually determined if someone has graduated to STO or STS? I know the bit about how someone graduates to STS if more than 95% of their thinking is based upon self-interest whereas STO graduation requires that an individual display a concern for others over 50% of the time...but this quantification seems quite subjective as everybody has a different ideas about what it means to serve self and serve others....

Who or what actually makes the final call on an individual? The confederation?

So what if somebody makes decisions based on concern for others 49.999% of the time, does that mean that they miss the cut-off? Do they have to wait another 75,000 years for the next harvest? Why is it that somebody has to keep on reincarnating in a 3D system even if they have reached STO level only 25,000 years into the cycle. I'm assuming it would be due to karmic connections to others in the 3D system?

The Ra material can be a little hard to swallow in some instances. My puny ape brain can't possibly conceive all the nuance and complexity that exists beyond the veil.

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

Why is it that somebody has to keep on reincarnating in a 3D system even if they have reached STO level only 25,000 years into the cycle. I'm assuming it would be due to karmic connections to others in the 3D system? .

The existance between incarnations is timeless therefore an entety need only to reincarnate for growth. If so desired, upon reaching a satisfactory level, an entety may choose to simply wait out the remainder of the cylcle.(a moment in time).......Sylvain...........

[MarkM]

Hi, Billuminous

I agree that the 51% thing is open to the the interpretation of each, and is highly subjective. I think of it as merely Ra's way of telling us that the issue here is the thrust of our polarization; in other words, for 4D pos candidates, are we maintaining a greater net outgoing flow of universal conscious/life/love energy when the incoming flow of same is factored in? Which way does the balance beam tip?

The issue here is as long as we are 'moving' in the right direction, ever so slowly may it be, we ascend to 4D. If we are travelling in a car at 51 mph, on a conveyor belt running 49mph in the reverse direction, we are inching forward at 2 mph, and thus are assured of our forward journey.

As for 4D neg candidates, I gather that the 95% stipulation is likewise an illustrative approximation of how the in/out flowing universal energy needs to be so much more inflowing than out, that the force of the inflowing torrent activates the higher spiritual centers, ie. the indigo, thus piercing the veil, or opening unto intelligent infinity, or becoming able to experience the fourth density energy matrices.

This reverse-flow activation, though, thrusts one into a nightmarish, reverse-polarity, 4D world, much like the 'Hellraiser' scenario as described by David Wilcock. Here, a master/slave pecking order is established, where fear, intrigue, deception, war, domination, slavery, control, pillage, rape, torture and other assorted power acquiring tools are the law of the land, not the exception to the law.

Positive fourth is about increasing cooperation, harmony, greater intuitive awareness of one's real connection to the Universe and to other members of Humanity, gradually building towards the collective real-ization of a unified consciousness complex, or social memory complex as Ra puts it.

Each is their own final arbiter of whether they make the ascension. As Ra puts it, at harvest we ascend a figurative staircase, each step representing a higher gradient of light. Each ascends until the light becomes too intense for the entity to bear comfortably, at which point he jumps off.

One doesn't know which side of the 3D / 4D 'barrier' they are on until they jump off. You may have come extremely close, but may well have to do at least one more 25,000 yr stint in 3D. Opportunity for individual and collective human ascension comes every 25,000 years according to Ra, although I believe that in certain conditions, there can be a harvest of one, at any time.

The important thing to remember here is that either way, you are where you belong. And for an immortal being like you, time is a very subjective thing, anyway. Come what may, it's for the best.;)

-Mark

[Art]

Each is their own final arbiter of whether they make the ascension. As Ra puts it, at harvest we ascend a figurative staircase, each step representing a higher gradient of light. Each ascends until the light becomes too intense for the entity to bear comfortably, at which point he jumps off.

Mark,

Your entire response was well-written and eloquent - thank you for sharing. I especially liked the quoted phrase above. If I may, where in the Law of One did you find this description? I would like to read more on it for context.

Art

P.S. - *edited* - I found this description from a Quo transcript from January 16, 2000. Here is the link:

www.llresearch.org/tranSCRIPTs/issues/2000/2000_0116.pdf

and snip directly:

However, there is also another kind of graduation
which is taking place among your peoples at this
time. It is our opinion that this ascension or rapture
is a way of describing what we have thought of
before as steps of light. It is our feeling that when, as
the one known as Jim said, the doors of death open
for an individual that individual goes through as
much healing as it needs to go through to recover
from the stress of physical death, to gather the feet
under the self within the new configuration, the new
body, the new environment. There is the review of
the incarnation which takes place when healing work
has been accomplished so that the soul itself may,
together with the higher self, review the incarnation
and consider how that learning process went and
what may need to be focused upon next in the
never-ending process of spiritual learning.

At the point that this has been accomplished and the
soul knows itself and is oriented to its surroundings
it then comes to a kind of staircase, if you will,
where there is a gradually increasing density of light.
In this process the spirit simply moves forward into
fuller light until it is receiving a maximum amount
of light that it can enjoy in a stable manner. At this
point the spirit stops. That point may be in third
density. That point may be in fourth density, or
even higher. Whatever amount of light is
comfortable to that spirit is the appropriate density
location for that entity in its next incarnation.
Rather than there being a judge meting out
judgment it is simply a matter of each spirit finding
itself in the best place possible for new learning and
growth.

I believe somewhere else someone was asking "who watched over or controlled" the harvest. Using the Search function on LLResearch, I found this interesting information from Book 3, Session 51:

www.llresearch.org/publications/excerpts/the_law_of_one_book_3.htm

The first is clearing up the final point about harvest. I was wondering if there is a supervision over the harvest and if so, why this supervision is necessary and how it works since an entity’s harvestability is determined by the violet ray? Is it necessary for entities to supervise the harvest, or is it automatic?

RA: I am Ra. In time of harvest there are always harvesters. The fruit is formed as it will be, but there is some supervision necessary to ensure that this bounty is placed as it should be without the bruise or the blemish.

There are those of three levels watching over harvest.

The first level is planetary and that which may be called angelic. This type of guardian includes the mind/body/spirit complex totality or Higher Self of an entity and those inner plane entities which have been attracted to this entity through its inner seeking.

The second class of those who ward this process are those of the Confederation who have the honor/duty of standing in the small places at the edge of the steps of light/love so that those entities being harvested will not, no matter how confused or unable to make contact with their Higher Self, stumble and fall away for any reason other than the strength of the light. These Confederation entities catch those who stumble and set them aright so that they may continue into the light.

The third group watching over this process is that group you call the Guardians. This group is from the octave above our own and serves in this manner as light bringers. These Guardians provide the precise emissions of light/love in exquisitely fastidious disseminations of discrimination so that the precise light/love vibration of each entity may be ascertained.

Thus the harvest is automatic in that those harvested will respond according to that which is unchangeable during harvest. That is the violet ray emanation. However, these helpers are around to ensure a proper harvesting so that each entity may have the fullest opportunity to express its violet ray selfhood.

Gotta love that search function! ;)

[MarkM]

Also this:

Questioner: You have stated in a much earlier session that it is necessary to polarize more than 50% service-to-others to be harvestable fourth-density positive. Was this condition the same at the time before the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. This shall be the last full query of this working.

The query is not answered easily, for the concept of service to self did not hold sway previous to what we have been calling the veiling process. The necessity for graduation to fourth density is an ability to use, welcome, and enjoy a certain intensity of the white light of the One Infinite Creator. In your own terms at your space/time nexus this ability may be measured by your previously stated percentages of service.

Prior to the veiling process the measurement would be that of an entity walking up a set of your stairs, each of which was imbued with a certain quality of light. The stair upon which an entity stopped would be either third-density light or fourth-density light. Between the two stairs lies the threshold. To cross that threshold is difficult. There is resistance at the edge, shall we say, of each density. The faculty of faith or will needs to be understood, nourished, and developed in order to have an entity which seeks past the boundary of third density. Those entities which do not do their homework, be they ever so amiable, shall not cross. It was this situation which faced the Logoi prior to the veiling process being introduced into the experiential continuum of third density.


I suppose, Art, that my statement in my above post is an amalgamated memory of these various Ra/Quo quotes. There is another one I can't find that I read somewhere, that contains a line something like, "until the light becomes too glaring..", But this may be commentary by a second party, as a search of the Ra material doesn't find the word, "glaring", or "glare".

Mark

[SuperManny]

Mark, I think this is probably what you were looking for.
From Session 6;Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One states simply that all things are one, that all beings are one. There are certain behaviors and thought-forms consonant with the understanding and practice of this law. Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate various grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes. This process is guarded or watched by those nurturing beings who, being very close to the Law of One in their distortions, nevertheless, have the distortion towards active service.
Thus, the illusion is created of light, or more properly but less understandably, light/love. This is in varying degrees of intensity. The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops. This entity may have barely reached third density or may be very, very close to the ending of the third-density light/love distortion vibratory complex. Nevertheless, those who fall within this octave of intensifying light/love then experience a major cycle during which the opportunities are many for the discovery of the distortions which are inherent in each entity and, therefore, the lessening of these distortions.

[Firewalker]

Yay,

You revamped my old thread.

[soup]

...Nevertheless, those who fall within this octave of intensifying light/love then experience a major cycle during which the opportunities are many for the discovery of the distortions which are inherent in each entity and, therefore, the lessening of these distortions. ...


Something in this speaks to me of replacing the "pains of lost opportunities" with "joys of new opportunities." Maybe this ties back somehow to concepts related to sorrow and the reason for veiling, though it may seem a little confusing, pondering so.


soup

[Val Zee]

I have been studying the LoO for some time now and find so much that resonates with me, however I still am having a problem grasping the use of the word "distortion" in a totally new (to me) concept. It's use makes understanding much of the teaching almost incomprehensible. Perhaps this is a part of the law of confusion but to use the word distortion in these contexts often just doesn't make any sense to me. Is there another word that I could mentally substitute to clarify the meaning while staying true to the intent. Some of you must have found something that made this
understandable to you. Could you share that with me?
Nameste,
Val

[billybobbutterball]

I have been studying the LoO for some time now and find so much that resonates with me, however I still am having a problem grasping the use of the word "distortion" in a totally new (to me) concept. It's use makes understanding much of the teaching almost incomprehensible. Perhaps this is a part of the law of confusion but to use the word distortion in these contexts often just doesn't make any sense to me. Is there another word that I could mentally substitute to clarify the meaning while staying true to the intent. Some of you must have found something that made this
understandable to you. Could you share that with me?
Nameste,
Val

Hi, Val

I take it your problem with the term "distortion" is that you think of it as being synonymous with being a "bad" thing.

Actually the term is about the best description of any "variation" from the universal Cosmic blandness....any beingness that results in a distortion from the original "perfect" condition is by a plain definition, a distortion. :cool:

In other words, Love, hate -- whatever quality of living you can think of is indeed a distortion from the undifferentiated state of that which undergirds all. I would venture that all densities from 1D to at least 7D are ongoing examples of useful "distortion". Remember, our job in fact is to create and explore as many distortions as we can in order to learn for ALL.

Hope that helps...doesn't do much for me, but maybe it will help to undistort you some. :rolleyes:

Pure, beneficially distorted best wishes, BBB

[Val Zee]

Thanks BBB for your explanation. Perhaps you are right about the association of the word distortion with something negative. Actually you gave me two words that I can use to understand "distortion" better. (Differentiated and Variation)
Most of my life my understanding of the word distortion has been associated with things that were unpleasant or untruthful, thus distasteful to my way of thinking. But by substituting the word "variation" it all seems to make better sense to me.

[Magical_Mongoose]

Whoa powerful stuff.
From personal experience, I've determined polarity based on intuition and feeling.
I had quite a powerful dream where I met this "ascended master" and the feeling of love, happiness and acceptance just made me feel so open, secure and safe that it made me cry. That the past was being unbound, that things are going perfectly in order and to carry on.
And I've felt and seen the opposite end of the spectrum...a reptilian entity glaring at me from the corner of my eye as I laid on a table, paralyzed; feeling afraid and helpless. But I managed to break out of it and wake up.
So just be wary of those who say these vibrations are subjective. They are entirely of a different feel and intention. The more one trusts intuition but is grounded enough not to become perturbed by what one may sense, this sensing becomes easier and won't destabilize you as you look in the shadows without fear.
I have been studying the LoO for some time now and find so much that resonates with me, however I still am having a problem grasping the use of the word "distortion" in a totally new (to me) concept. It's use makes understanding much of the teaching almost incomprehensible. Perhaps this is a part of the law of confusion but to use the word distortion in these contexts often just doesn't make any sense to me. Is there another word that I could mentally substitute to clarify the meaning while staying true to the intent. Some of you must have found something that made this
understandable to you. Could you share that with me?
Nameste,
Val
Maybe "not-synchronized" would be a good word (or two ;)). But the act of divergent wavelength patterns (our souls) becoming synchronized in Love and Light greatly brings meaning, depth and ecstasy to those involved, particularly Source. So it's not a bad thing whatsoever, because as our wavelength patterns become synchronized with higher density energy, this "evolution" sends off ripples of energy that aids the whole. Kind of like "light booms" when something surpasses the speed of light.

[soup]

I think that good rock and roll guitar amplifiers distort in ways that seem easier to listen to. It may be that when the music gets too loud and too noisy that the melody seems more difficult to pick out and appreciate. So my impression is that there can be greater opportunity to appreciate beauty from states of less distortion. This can likewise complement the idea of balancing love/wisdom.


soup

[Detlef]

How do you determine the polarity of an organisation. Such as the Rosicrucians, The Mason's etc.
This information is easily available through your divine self.
Rosicrucians, primary direction service to others
through assimilation.
The Mason prime direction service to self
Regards Detlef

[Val Zee]

I personally don't think it's possible to determine the overall polarity of an organization because it is made of many members who each have their own polarization. Although some persons within the Masonic Order may be STS, my husband who is a 32 degree Mason is the kindest, most STO person I know. He will drop his own work and interests at a moment's notice to go help someone in need within or without of the fraternity. Since there is no national Grand Lodge in this country overseeing the organization I don't think there is a recognizable power structure other than the statewide groups who to the best of my knowledge are best known as charitible institutions such as raising funding for medical research centers and etc. The local lodges undertake projects such as findgerprinting the school children to aid in identification of missing children and other worthwhile projects. I think it would be hard to identify these members work as STS.
I have been told that this may be different in other countries where there are higher echelons in Grand Lodges but I do not know that for a fact, only speculation.

[twva]

Doesn't Ra say somewhere that people can often perceive the power of an adept but sometimes have trouble determining its polarity? It seems like that might be relevant here.

[Billuminous]

My reading of Ra is not yet complete...I'm wondering...according to Ra, do the same laws of soul evolution exist in every galaxy throughout the universe? For example, is the density system pretty much universal, and the segregation of STO and STS upon 3D graduation? Maybe there are systems where STO and STS are not segregated in 4D as I don't see why this is necessary (please explain someone).

It makes me wonder if Ra is describing one system of soul evolution among many systems. And through our collective belief in Ra's system of evolution we are making this system true for ourselves. As Seth says, we are the creators of our reality.

[yossarian]

My reading of Ra is not yet complete...I'm wondering...according to Ra, do the same laws of soul evolution exist in every galaxy throughout the universe? For example, is the density system pretty much universal, and the segregation of STO and STS upon 3D graduation?

According to the LL Research Ra, it is universal throughout creation because as soon as the first galaxy conceived of the veil (which created the possibility of negative polarity) all the other galaxies followed suit because it was so effective, and it became ubiquitous.


Maybe there are systems where STO and STS are not segregated in 4D as I don't see why this is necessary (please explain someone).


It's not a true segregation. Ra has said that 4D entities even go to war with the opposite polarity - and David had a vision of how the "energy fighting" took place involving lightsabers and energy shields. (Pretty cool huh? It's in one of David's readings)

In 5D however the segregation deepens because the positive polarity learns to "win" these battles. The negative is repulsed by the purity of the compassion that is learned in 4D, and the negative moves far away into negative space and into extremely dense and small sizes. It's manipulation is then done from afar.

The 5D positive doesn't need to fight anymore because of the pure compassion they've learned which acts like a shield.

I guess I went a little beyond your question but I think that answers your question anyway.

[Billuminous]

Correct me if I'm wrong...the segregation is a choice made by those who inhabit the 4D space/time realms, rather than being imposed from above. 4D STOs find it impossible to live with the 4D STS because they suck up so much energy, so they decide not to include them in their society.

Those higher entities who help facilitate the harvest and shift from 3D space/time into 4D space/time, place the 4D STS and 4D STO in their proper places, but actually the choice for segregation is made by 4D entities. Because the veil has been lifted in 4D space/time, it is quite easy to determine an entity's polarity (just by looking at their aura) so there really is not much deliberation about where an entity belongs.

After living in commune/ecovillage for 4 years which had a very involved membership process for newcomers, I can totally recognize the value of being able to determine someone's polarity instantaneously. There were many instances where newcomers would slide through the membership process, but then after they got full membership, their true colors would start to show up and it would present a major ordeal for the community to either tolerate the member's behavior or to begin a long gruesome expulsion process.

I really think one of the challenges for STO-oriented organizations in 3D is to hone their abilities for discernment when it comes to accepting new members. But let's consider that it may be especially hard for STOs to discern the polarity leaning of somebody who has not made a firm choice.

Needless to say, membership issues take up an enormous amount energy for STO organizations right now, and it would feel like a relief to have the veil lifted.

[Billuminous]

I'm wondering...what is the shortest amount of time spent by an entity in 3D space/time before they make a decision about polarity. Is it possible for an entity to make a choice after a couple lifetimes whereas another entity might require a 100 lifetimes? I'm guessing that if an entity experiences very intense catalyst in one lifetime, co* could make a big leap eliminating the need for several more lifetimes of less intense catalyst.

*Co is a gender neutral pronoun for he/she

[yossarian]

I'm wondering...what is the shortest amount of time spent by an entity in 3D space/time before they make a decision about polarity. Is it possible for an entity to make a choice after a couple lifetimes whereas another entity might require a 100 lifetimes? I'm guessing that if an entity experiences very intense catalyst in one lifetime, co* could make a big leap eliminating the need for several more lifetimes of less intense catalyst.

*Co is a gender neutral pronoun for he/she

Free will ensures that it is possible not only to choose a polarity, but to attain full 6th density enlightenment in an incredibly short period of time. It's also possible to linger in 3D without choosing for an incredibly long time.

[other channeller material removed]

Remember that "fully enlightened" beings such as the Buddha actually attained 6th density while on Earth. Most of us just crystallize intentions and then graduate alongside the Earth. But an Ascended Master is someone who has pierced the gateway to intelligent infinity and now walks the universe with an unfettered tread; no longer bound by space or time he goes from 3D straight to the upper octaves of 6D.

As far as determining polarity, since 3D is the density of choosing, any organization is naturally going to have unpolarized people, and positively polarized people are still very capable of switching polarities as are negative. 3D is a density of exploring these intentions while 4D is a density of refinement of the choice.

So absolutely you're right - not only is that a major challenge of 3D but in a big way it is THE challenge of 3D.

[Billuminous]

Remember that "fully enlightened" beings such as the Buddha actually attained 6th density while on Earth. Most of us just crystallize intentions and then graduate alongside the Earth. .


Unless you are the Buddha reincarnated, you are making a statement based upon a belief. Please give me Buddha's phone number, and I'll check it out for myself.

[SuperManny]

Unless you are the Buddha reincarnated, you are making a statement based upon a belief. Please give me Buddha's phone number, and I'll check it out for myself.
Bill, there is no need to be sarcastic at the expense of another. Humor is a great way to lighten up this discussion forum, but not at another's expense.

Yes you are correct, that is a "statement based upon a belief", but if that is truly his belief, then I suspect that for all intents and purposes it is true for him. Personal truth varies a great deal from one person to another, that's why Ra and Q'uo always caution you to only accept what resonates with you and let the rest of it go. So please allow him the dignity of choosing his own beliefs. One of the great things about this forum is that we're not usually judged on the basis of our beliefs, so let's keep it that way, please. Thank you for understanding.
Blessings,
~Manny

[Billuminous]

Bill, there is no need to be sarcastic at the expense of another. Humor is a great way to lighten up this discussion forum, but not at another's expense.

If you feel that Yossarian has been slighted by my remark, that is your perception only, as it wasn't my intention. If Yossarian had prefaced his statement by saying "I believe", then I wouldn't have issued such a remark.

We are all here to discuss the Ra Material. It is a bit confusing to me when other members throw in comments like that that are not based upon the Ra Material.

Of course, co has the right to choose what co wants to believe.

[yossarian]

Where does belief begin?

LLResearch Ra mentioned how one who pierces the gateway to intelligent infinity can indeed go straight to 6th density, attaining the same "unfettered tread" that Ra coself ( :D ) has.

Based on the historical record of Buddha he is just an obvious example of someone with a purported unfettered tread. I have no particular belief in this and I don't really ascribe myself beliefs per se. Belief seems like a weak concept not worth indulging in.

This post is a hugely simplified version of my other posts but apparently my last one was wholesale rejected for being too irreverent.

So in summary, feel free to just remove my mention of the Buddha. The rest of the stuff is all supported by a combination of LLResearch Ra (specifically the "how-to" on reaching 6th density) and Wilcock Ra (which added to LL-Ra's descriptions of 6th density life)

It just so happens that these descriptions all fit in with the descriptions of the Buddha, so I figure the correspondences are not just coincidence. Of course we can all make our own judgments by reading the primary sources directly.

[Billuminous]

Based on the historical record of Buddha he is just an obvious example of someone with a purported unfettered tread.

But why not consider that he was a wanderer from the get-go who chose to be born into very challenging circumstances. I imagine that a lot of wanderers choose parents with a serious degree of "distortion", as it creates intense catalyst for awakening to one's previous level of understanding.

[yossarian]

But why not consider that he was a wanderer from the get-go who chose to be born into very challenging circumstances. I imagine that a lot of wanderers choose parents with a serious degree of "distortion", as it creates intense catalyst for awakening to one's previous level of understanding.

if he was a wanderer he was one who had many many incarnations on Earth, because according to history when he attained enlightenment under the Bodhi tree he talked about how for "countless lives" he had been chasing something on the outside and how it had taken him so long to start looking within for that thing.

There are other sources which I consider good evidence (and which are vouched for by LL Resaerch) but i'm not allowed to share them - my post will be rejected. Suffice to say, there is nothing from Ra that talks about this aspect of the Buddha so we should just drop this taboo line of discussion.

[soup]

There's probably a lot of Buddhist wisdom that seams or ties congruent to the Law Of One. It may be that the "taboo" nature of speaking so about Buddha relates to infringing people's freewill, as if by fingerpointing in some way that may or may be conducive to progress. In this sense as alternative the subject could be changed to keep the thread going.

I like the part about Buddhism that everybody seems in some way, a Buddha on the way to becoming enlightened, because it seems as if we all share some commonality in that regard. Personally, I believe that there seem various degrees of enlightenment which seems unbounded - as if a person could grow that way every day over many lifetimes and still never exhaust all the opportunities for growth that exist - that enlightenment seems the process and not some destination which seems ever out of reach.


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[soup]

...How do you determine the polarity of an organisation?...


Maybe there is some skill in self observation - for example, from a detached perspective how does a person's relationship help them bring out a positive polarity within themself - or otherwise?

Possibly the idea of dominance could resolve the quandry, that within a negative dominant pair - the pair as whole may have better chance of appearing negative.

Unfortunately, the appearance may not act as a "good" reflection of what the reality is. In practice, my impression is that "positive dominant" relationships can seem to a higher degree more long term sustainable, though difficult to generalize because of the case where a "positive" relationship can seem "destructive" in nature.

If the duality of say mercy and severity is exclusive of positive/negative polarization, then how does Creativity and the nature of The Creator relate to the idea of a relationship's positive polarization dominance?


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