Benjamin Fulford

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i have been reading the most incredible transcripts from jeff rense interview with benjamin fulford discussing the illuminatti. i have checked benjamin out on the net and he is a rather impressive person. the information in these transcripts will blow you away. it realy puts all the things going on in the world in a different perspective. donald

rense: okay. back with you. benjamin fulford, live from tokyo, is with us. pretty stunning material. all right, ben, you had a personal story you wanted to share. go ahead.

fulford: my great grandfather was g.t. fulford. he was one of the richest men in the world - george taylor fulford. you can find him on wikipedia. he was one of the richest men on earth, and he was the largest single shareholder in general electric.

he was going to finance nikola tesla, but he was murdered by the rockefellers in 1905. it was made to look like a car accident.

rense: your grandfather.

fulford: great grandfather.

rense: great grandfather. so really! wow.

fulford: and the family fortune was stolen. my grandfather was only three years old at the time. the family fortune was taken over by the rockefellers. my grandfather didn't know how to suspend his assets.

i am telling the rockefellers right now, they can think of me as the ghost of g.t. fulford, come back over a century - from four generations - to get justice.


here is the link to all interviews http://rense.com/datapages/fulfdat.htm

here is link to latest interview read others first before reading this for it to all make sense http://rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm and then this one after http://rense.com/general77/ful2.htm

[Rebecca]

what impressed me the most about the plan to overthrow the illuminati is that physical force would be used only as last resort. the "negative" rulers would be offered amnesty and even be able to stay with their families . . with the understanding that from now on they would do "good" deeds for humanity. what a deal! :-)

[michael hyatt]

ive been tracking this info closely since it started and the most interesting part of it all seems to be the article titled "the new cambrian explosion". this article fits in nicely with our perspective here and seems to give credence to the validity of his mission. i too, believe the only way for peace to truly be established is through amnesty for these characters as alfred weber so aptly describes in his exopolotical philosophy. amnesty is the only compassionate way to deal with these spiritual infants for they are we. one may only hope this amazing story is just absurd enough to be true.

i love everything
hyatt

[fiz]

...one may only hope this amazing story is just absurd enough to be true.

well put! i too have been following the fulford material since it showed up, while keeping mum about it around here till now. what are we to make of this figure? jeff rense takes him seriously. i'm inclined to too, though until there is evidence to back up his claims, i have to remind myself that his story technically remains folklore to me.

still, recent dreams i've had of the illmnti have corresponded with the unfolding of the fulford material in a way that feels, in my gut, like an intuitive verification of fulford's reports as being real. following the 2 japanese earthquakes last week, i found myself wondering if these could be designer disasters. fulford's second 3-hour long interview with rense claims exactly this to be the case, as a direct response to the ultimatum he is delivering on behalf of the organized resistance to the illmnti that he claims to personally represent.

either this all amounts to fringe showmanship fiction of a high order, effectively upping the ante of "popspiracy" to a new level (possibly as disinfo), or: it is real, with imminant visible evidence likely about to be publicly verified, one way or another.

according to fulford and rense, we'll find out soon enough.....

chris

[fiz]

after visiting other forums discussing fulford, i'm now considering two additional possibilities:

a) fulford may be being used -- unwittingly and completely innocently -- into doing the bidding of an unrecognized agent serving the very folks he's hoping to counter; or

b) fulford is consciously acting on behalf of an unnamed sts team that seeks to foment chaos in the name of taking out the illmnti -- and this by falsely identifying the illmnti with only one or two main financier families.

in other words, fulford may be playing into "the revealing", perhaps even "the revelation of the method" -- in which sts game masters publicly disclose their true purposes and identity (slavemasters seeking global enslavement) prior to enacting the means towards that end in broad daylight. my understanding about the significance of this kind of communication is that it is a calculated attempt to paralyze the free will of the recipient of that communication, in this case, perhaps by preparing the public to think that there really is no way out of global conflict. in reading fulford's second 3-hour interview with rense, this does in fact appear to be a subtle communication.

i think that any serious consideration of this recent information has to include these more sinister possibilities as well -- one's that go beyond either/or thinking.

at the same time, choosing to wait and see does seem to me to be the soberest approach to holding all possibilities in mind, while preserving maximum open cognitive clarity, and thereby, free will.

peace, chris

[billybobbutterball]

thanks for bringing this to post. i was hanging back waiting for a bolder soul than myself to act percipitously :eek:

like the rest of you i have been monitering the fulford material. there is a bunch there! in fact i had to go over it a second time. fascinating.

if even 1/4th is true it would be truly sensational. even if fulford is a pawn i have the sense that he is convinced that he is telling the truth. considering his background activites in japan i can see why he would have been selected as the logical one for this very dicey interfacing role.

i thought it an interesting aside that his grandmother was a psychic medium who advised the prime minister of canada back in the 20/30s ... with her contact being no other than her late husband who had been supposedly murdered by the "powers that be". that fact does give a poetic justice twist for the great grandson, benjamin fulford, in being the agent suggesting a practical denoument for this lously master/slave situation.

baronbillyroths...whoops! :o almost blew my cover there ...

[jax]

hi gang: thanks to the mods for not pulling the posts. (that should tell us sumething, eh?) i was up very late last night reading the transcripts and was amazed because my current understanding of the state of the whole world has been opened up considerably. it reads like something tom clancy would write in a novel! we have to remember that the chinese and japanese are also one with us and even the sts folks are one with us, but on the other end of polarity...just doing their thing, so to speak. let this not engender fear. everything will be ok! pray for peace. jax ;)

[jax]

impressive victorian home!
snipped from http://www.brockville.com/port/brockattractions.html

fulford place
no visit to the famous 1000 islands would be complete without a tour of fulford place. senator george taylor fulford made millions from "pink pills for pale people", a patent medicine he manufactured in brockville and sold around the world. fulford recognized the commercial potential of the readership developed by mass-circulation newspapers and built his business on saturation print advertising. he constructed fulford place, a 20,000-square-foot edwardian mansion between 1899 and 1901. the original grounds were designed by frederick olmsted of the olmsted landscaping firm, which also designed central park in new york city.
snipped from http://www.brockville.com/port/brockattractions.html

correspondence between mary fulford and mackenzie king began in the 1920s and, by the early 1930s, she is regularly mentioned in his diary. she and king were both interested in spiritualism. in february 1932, mary fulford introduced king to the detroit medium etta wriedt. king attended seances with mrs. wriedt at fulford place. mary fulford visited king in ottawa on several occasions and attended seances with him there.

keeponkeepingon (or koko), :d

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i am curious as to what your opinion is about what is stated int this interview.

thanks donald

[One 66]

i for one will not be surprised if this were true, false or partly true. things are happening around the world and in my personal life that i thought would not happen or come true. either way, these are exciting times...

one 66

[SuperManny]

things are happening around the world and in my personal life that i thought would not happen or come true. either way, these are exciting times...
one 66
indeed! :)
true and lasting change will only come when the mass consciousness reaches a certain level, and i think we're getting close! i keep seeing more and more stories like this, and about things like free energy, cars that run on water, etc. and freedom from all other forms that keep us running in place. i think most people just don't realize how much control the powers that be are constantly exerting, to keep us too busy to think about the things that would bring us true freedom and serious long term growth and evolution.

there's a similar story about gordon novel, who claims to be working on several forms of suppressed technology. he says too many people working on developing these forms of technology have simply disappeared, or were found dead in a field somewhere, so he put all this technology on a dvd and placed copies of it in many different locations around the world. if anything happens to him his attorneys are instructed to flood the world with all these dvds, making all this knowledge public. he claims he will be mass producing this technology "by the end of this decade."

and then there's dennis lee from [email for url] who claims to have the technology to forever end our dependence on fossil fuels, but he met a lot of resistance when he tried to market it. so he has a plan to build 120 of these machines and rent 120 football stadiums, and put on a massive nationwide demonstration, the idea being that if enough people are made aware it would be un-stoppable. this is scheduled to take place next year.

yes sir-ee!! the times they are a-changing, and i think we're close to the 'tipping point'! exciting times, indeed! what a great time to be alive and waking up!:d :d

[Alisima]

what happened with fulford and the 48 hour ultimatum??

[fiz]

what happened with fulford and the 48 hour ultimatum??

i like to think that jeff rense plans to follow-up on (or with) fulford within a week or two. then again, i know better than to anticipate such things. and, with each passing day, as i mull the fulford material further and masticate on its meaning for me personally, i'm left feeling increasingly suspicious about this communication overall.

who was it who said "all communication is political"? to put it another way, as i pull away from the content of fulford's communication, i get a better glimpse of the form it's packaged in. what might that be? well let's see: a string of sudden interviews and articles making a big audible splash on one of the most popular fringe conspiracy sites in town, each making tremendous claims, punctuated by a personal gunslinging promise made by benjamin himself on behalf of his invisible 6 million person worldwide army....

the form, in short, is larger than life: it is the stuff of high drama, with easily identifiable enemies and a simplistic plot-line that seems to preempt critical thinking, and reward a simplistic either/or, all-or-nothing interpretation, serving, whether intentionally or not, to shut down individual thinking, and with it, free-will.

further, i think that the form is irresponsible, to the extent that it is not followed-up upon with any kind of regularity of reflection, and regular feedback between the bestowers of this strange dialogue, namely, jeff rense and benjamin fulford.

i'm left feeling this communication to be wanting on the form-side of things (not to mention somewhat histrionic and strangely theatrical), and somewhat incredible and simplistic on the content-side.

this kind of personal critical analysis helps me regain my sense of a healthy individual perspective of uncertainty before fulford's epic presentation, while waiting to see what, if anything, rense communicates further. i will be paying close attention if there is another installment to see if it feels like more bait to keep me hanging on for more still. if so, my suspicion will harden into distrust.

in the meantime, i've noticed that the second-to-last entry on fulford's private home page is both a dead link and a lousy title for anything. i'm ready to call his bluff for such apparent carelessness alone. but not quite....

regardless...whether the fulford story bears any truth or not, i do appreciate the chance to use this emerging material as a chance to ongoingly exercise my own critical thinking in service to the preservation of free-will.

chris

[Alisima]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth? either he is trying his best he can, or his is the devil in disguise.

maybe i ought to read some of his book, find out on which side he is on. are there any english ones?

[billybobbutterball]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth? either he is trying his best he can, or his is the devil in disguise.

maybe i ought to read some of his book, find out on which side he is on. are there any english ones?


hi, alisima

i think the closest to this subject that fulford's books explore would be that of japanese finances/politiics, which is not what you are looking for. for a number of reasons i don't expect that we will hear much about anything for an indefinite period of time. anyway, i find it all quite interesting but i'm not holding my breath. (... sound of long exhalation ) :(

billbobbutterbeltninjaguy

[Wilburbonzo]

i listened to both fulford interviews on rense and at first thought him delusional. the second interview seemed saner. it has occurred to me, however, that he may be pointing a way out of the current mess. the membership lists of the carlyle group(s), cfr, trilarileral commission, pnac, etc. are not hard to find. what if they were all wiped out?

[fiz]

well, if he ain't speaking the truth, the only thing which makes sense then is that he is trying to brainwash and confuse us. why else would you do such interviews whenever you are not telling the truth?

benjamin may be ignorant of the people he thinks he's representing. or: the people he's representing may themselves be ignorant of an even bigger picture that encloses them in what may amount to an entrapping pattern of violence.

in short, if violent gang-warfare is the sought means to bring an end to the perceived present evils of __________ (fill in the blank with enemy/threat of choice), is it really a solution to the problem? or is this just: (a) a desperate solution to a moral crisis beyond anyone's control at this point in earth's history; or (b) a fictional solution that will serve, intentionally or otherwise, to foment continental warfare in the name of bringing about its end?

either way, i see this as potentially being a seriously distracting public communication, in the sense that it may be leading many a pop-fringer off into a simplistic reality-tunnel, with the negative result of helping shut down individual free-will, and with it, to reduce our capacity for being open to divine influence at this breakthrough moment in time. of course, it's up to each of us to question the nature of such communications for ourselves, but regardless, this to me remains a real liability inherent in fantastical scenarios like fulford's: their seductive draw that can lead individuals away from our own sovereign, creative, empowering position in relation to the creator.

i'm not saying this is fulford's intent, but i do see it as being a real liability belonging to the style of his communication, regardless of whether his story amounts to fiction or reality, or some strange mix of the two (i.e., disinfo).

can't say i'm helping to clarify fulford's presentation any...but maybe that's up to fulford and/or rense to do. and yeah, maybe they will in due course, hopefully helping to clarify the veracity of fulford's truth-claims a little more. in the meantime, i'll try to keep my mind open to possibilities for personal and world transformation beyond mind-closing siren-calls for supporting scenarios that may amount to nothing more than useless violence.

what those real alternative possibilities for life-positive transformation of self and world amount to is the subject for hopefully many threads to come on this here peace-positive, individually-empowering, divinely-inspired site! :)

chris

[David Wilcock]

i have listened, read and thought quite a bit about the fulford material, which is all located here:

http://www.rense.com/datapages/fulfdat.htm

i have independent verification of many of the things he's saying, including the idea of two major opposing factions in the elite, which he calls the rockefeller (american) and rothschild (european) factions. this is nothing new to me.

furthermore, his elucidation of the asian politics i find very interesting. i wrote a paper on the late 19th-century "meiji restoration" of japan in college and i never could quite 'grok' how a 16-year-old boy became emperor. it makes a lot more sense that there was a larger political entity behind all that, who deliberately installed a malleable person for the top power position.

from my own personal experience with dan burisch -- a former member of the top secret society on the american side known as majestic -- his perspective is that the european side is the one trying to promote mass population reduction, and the majestic / american side has been trying to stop them.

now fulford's team appears to be saying exactly the opposite about who is the biggest offender in terms of such nefarious plans. the japanese and chinese apparently think the rothschilds are the less problematic of the two. the truth is most likely in between -- namely both sides are doing similar things and thinking in similar ways.

my readings were describing the two factions long before i really understood it all. they said these opposing factions end up canceling each other out, so none of them can realize their goals of worldwide control.

fulford's statements appear to be very serious. i find it highly unlikely that someone holding a major position for forbes magazine would suddenly be making public assassination threats and naming names if he were not serious, and believed that he really was representing a group that was capable of doing it and of protecting him.

granted, fulford was let go from his job at forbes, he says for asking questions about where all the japanese money was disappearing to -- but one would assume he could easily get another job with that background. the point i'm making is that it all adds up to suggest that fulford is shooting straight.

er, maybe that wasn't the best choice of words... :(

in the second transcript fulford mentions that the rockefeller clique 'responded' to the threat with an earthquake-producing weapon right underneath the largest japanease reactor, causing a major disaster.

this was on monday, july 16, just hours before the "fire the grid" meditation was scheduled to begin, 10 days after fulford first made the announcement on live radio. imagine the effect it would have had on public morale had the disaster occurred directly during the meditation!

i can easily see someone timing it for that type of 'dual purpose', though no one in the public seems to have connected the earthquake and the meditation besides rense's transcriber and a post i made soon after the meditation itself. if such technology exists, and the group is as sarcastic and cynical as it often seems to be from other testimony, this certainly could be something they would do.

no one else has commented on this next point so far:

fulford's first show was on july 6th and the first transcript materialized on rense's site on july 12th. no one wants to listen to a long radio show, but once it's in writing the whole thing can be seen and studied in a few minutes. the quake occurred just four days after the arrival of the transcript. and there's more...

let's assume for the moment that everything fulford said is true. this would be an enormous, unprecedented threat to the majestic side. everyone in their group is probably at the top of the chinese secret society's "hit list". you would think this would cause them a great deal of concern, even if they believed fulford was lying.

on july 23rd, just a week and a half after the bluntly threatening words appeared in writing, marcia mcdowell publicly announced that burisch -- a recently retired top member of majestic -- was going totally off the public and private radar.

it is very likely that dan's duties were re-instated by majestic, though i have no direct confirmation of this. i have bolded certain areas of her announcement for emphasis:


http://www.neweaglesforum.proboards107.com/index.cgi?board=mcdowell&action=display&thread=1177322851&page=3

"last week i was notified that someone would be requesting dan's assistance in a matter matching his expertise. dan will be involved with them through the next few months. while i cannot go into the exact nature of the activities, it is safe to say that it is critical enough for him to be required to show full devotion to the issue.

what's good about this is that we have an end date:

december 14, 2007.

i will stop in here, as normal, and visit with folks and try to give any public updates - as possible.

dan will still be available for interviews, so long as i am given a week or so to schedule them...

dan and i apologize for any inconvenience this may bring, but he too understands that this issue is too important to do anything else than what he has decided to do: give all available healthy time to it.

[second post]

we have been flooded with emails, telephone calls, im's, pm's, many asking where dan is, does it concern his health, and whether this means that there is a reason for a larger concern about world events?

thank you all for the care and concern.

we can't comment on dan's activities, and we doubt that dan will comment when he returns on december 15th, but i can say that there is absolutely no reason to have any concern of any kind because of dan's temporary absence.

there was no reason to try to hedge, between now and december 15th, as to why dan wasn't here, so we just came out with it: he's on a sabbatical leave due to the need to have him fully concentrating on one subject in which he is an expert.

dan's leave has nothing to do with any change in his or anyone's health. his health is poor, but he is getting along well. the families are fine."

anyone studying this publicly-stated information could make an obvious correlation here. if majestic suddenly heard about a group threatening to wipe them all out, they would want to use whatever means available to see into the future and predict when they would try it, so they could protect themselves from the attack.

we already know from his testimony that dan worked on an alleged et-derived technology called looking glass, which does purportedly has the ability to see into the future.

here's the problem. if you have studied the burisch mythology, then you know all lg devices were allegedly shut down as of last december -- in the hopes of saving our planet. the "why" is a bit complex.

according to burisch, a surge of energy from the galactic center floods the earth with "micro-wormholes" in 2012, having a dimensional-shifting effect. this also can destabilize the earth on its axis if it does not occur smoothly.

even though this event is most likely to occur in december 2012, the lg visualizations indicated it might occur at any point between late 2006 and 2017.

the law of one series, which i hold as being accurate, also gives a 'before and after' spread centering on 2012, but gives a smaller range of 2010 to 2013. this is another interesting correspondence between the two sources.

burisch also describes alleged time-travelers from earth's own future who say, in their 'history,' a pole shift was caused around the 2012 timeframe. they believe it was caused by such lg technology being still operational when the galactic energy surge hit. otherwise they believe it would not have happened.

the lg devices (and their larger-scale twins called 'the ark', used to create traversible wormholes) gate in hyperdimensional energy very strongly. this force is allegedly strong enough to disrupt the earth's grid and cause the planet to move through the 2012 process in an asymmetric way, creating pole shift.

by shutting the lgs down it was believed that the pole shift could be averted, and our future could shift into a timeline where it never happened. this shutdown was supposedly done by or before december 2006. the last viewings before then said it was much more likely -- i believe it was 84 percent likely -- that the earth would not experience pole shift.

is it possible that they would be tempted to turn the machines back on, at least long enough to try to forecast when this chinese group might strike, even while knowing the risks? absolutely. that's all the more reason why they would want everyone close to the project to be involved in the new operation.

they may also have decided that all their data-gathering would be complete by december 14th -- that's probably as long as they'd be willing to risk turning the devices back on for.

personally, as i have said before, it seems that the entities burisch is working with, allegedly from our future, are nearly 100-percent consistent with everything the law of one series said about the service-to-self polarity.

i have often enunciated a model on this site where i suppose that everyone shifts into time-space in 2012, thus protecting them from any such probabilities. the law of one series tells us not to worry about earth changes in the least.

however, it is certainly possible that those who lean decisively towards the negative side (such as illuminati members who are "walking the walk") actually do stay on the earth in physical embodiment through whatever happens in 2012.

don't forget the law of one series did also say there would be a pole shift of about 22 degrees. they also said you shouldn't worry about it and strongly imply that no one - or almost no one - would actually be here in the physical when it happens.

so, it may be that some people actually do stick around for the part we're told not to worry about -- and the survivors of that event are the ones now traveling back in time and trying to prevent it, due to the alleged damage it caused to their genetic code.

[the law of one series similarly describes a 'dissolving' effect that occurs for entities on the negative path, which is ultimately lethal, but said it can only be solved by the entities going positive. this is yet another amazing connection between burisch's material and the law of one material. i have interviewed burisch in the past and confirmed that he was unaware of this connection, and never studied the law of one material.]

the burisch story has two different groups that form from this remnant of humanity's alleged future. one group survived from the earth's surface and another group survived from the underground bases they were hiding in (that should tell you something right there.)

the surface entities migrated to orion and became the so-called 'nordics', maintaining a normal human appearance. [the law of one series says the negative entities are headquartered in orion and refers to all negative ets interacting with earth at this time as orion 'crusaders'.]

in burisch's story, the underground earth survivors had 'adaptive mutations' in 2-3 generations that led to the physiology we now associate with grays.

in the model burisch was told by his superiors, there were no other ets out there except for these two groups that evolved separately from survivors of earth after 2012.

so, in summary we have a very interesting and strange series of events going on here. i have found dazzling correlations between the burisch and law of one material and now burisch's apparent recall into majestic occurs just days after fulford's internationally-publicized threat.

again, i encourage you not to trouble yourself with these questions and realize that higher forces are guiding and protecting this "ascension" process. i would also guess that if fulford is entirely for real, the use of lg technology would not be sufficient to predict and block all such actions.

trust is an important factor. i trust that all is well on this planet. i also know that there are much better ways to help the planet than through 'hard power' and gangster tactics.

the main product we promote on this site is the science of peace series -- it keeps the lights on and the rent paid, and more importantly it is a comprehensive revelation of just how much we can do to create a more peaceful planet.

if fulford's society understood what i put through in that series they would be much more concerned with using their leverage to teach the public the truth rather than fighting fire with fire. if, for example, large numbers of japanese alone started meditating in large groups, and making it a daily practice, the whole planet would further benefit enormously.

i have written enough about it on this site that you don't need to download the series if you have a money problem. the most important thing is to strive for the highest truth and integrity possible in your daily life. live in love and in trust that all is well, keep cool nad let your mind stay balanced and pure. that has a radiant effect on everyone else's mind on earth that is very real, and has now been proven.

peace be with you -

- david

[soup]

...don't forget the law of one series did also say there would be a pole shift of about 22 degrees. they also said you shouldn't worry about it and strongly imply that no one - or almost no one - would actually be here in the physical when it happens....



[note from moderator: ra does not say there will be a pole shift of 22 degrees-they simply say that transiting into 4d will be fetched with much inconvenience (paraphrased)]]

i think its also important, not to forget that the law of one series suggests that "prophecies of doom" seem a sort of "polution" related to orion influence. in addition to that, there was a suggestion that prophecies were useful in the context of possibility/probablility vortice, though examples of ra's mathematical aptitude may seem weak. the north magnetic pole does seem to be on the move, about 1 degree west a year and about 0.35 degrees north per year (approximately 40km/year)...maybe twenty years ago this was different, difficult to say for sure.

the ambiguity of words seems curious, by being "here" did they mean physically at the physical location of the magnetic pole? i can't imagine that's a popular vacation spot.

[lvxseeker]

ihowever, it is certainly possible that those who lean decisively towards the negative side (such as illuminati members who are "walking the walk") actually do stay on the earth in physical embodiment through whatever happens in 2012.



i must be misunderstanding something for i thought that earth is/will be a 4d
positive planet.

how can 4d sts live here if this is the case?

[MarkM]

a planet exists across a range of densities; planets such as mars or venus, although appearing virtually dead and/or not/no longer supporting human life, may well be seen, if you could look at them through a pair of magical 4d glasses, to host a fully vibrant, living 4d or otherwise supporting biosphere.

it was suggested by ra that the planet mars, after its own harvest, supported a small colony of humans for a time, presumably in underground shelters, after the planet had essentially 'died' in 3d.

perhaps in a similar way that there are those on earth now who maintain a 'double body', extremely service to others-oriented and thus able to maintain a 3d body as well as a 4d body, those who wield considerable power in their extreme service to self polarity in 3d can somehow proof themselves against the harvest for a time.

[fiz]

i must be misunderstanding something for i thought that earth is/will be a 4d
positive planet.

how can 4d sts live here if this is the case?

4d sts-candidates live here, alongside 4d sto-candidates, as it were.

until space-time (r)evolves into time-space, we're all 3d, regardless of orientation.

[fiz]

david --

thanks very much for your wide-ranging reflection on the potential real significance of fulford's disclosure, in light of burisch, the majestic, et al. very thorough and thought-provoking views!

clearly, holding the essential tension of cognitive uncertainty while attempting to digest fulford's unverified truth-claims to form a relevant possible perspective of the same is not an easy task. but: filling in the uncertain middle with well-considered reflections together here does seem to give us many opportunities for recognizing perhaps all the more clearly the wider context and the greater drama (i.e., ascension, harvest, divine protection) in which these emerging sub-plots can be progressively read, regardless of either their veracity or ultimate outcome.

chris

[dariusdjc]

in case you missed the previous article and follow up interview on the rense program i have included them in this e-mail as well. latest update is the third article.

here was the first one – chinese secret society challenges illuminati
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/print.asp?id=6790

follow-up rense interview can be heard here:
http://www.thepowerhour.com/news3/rense_fulford.htm

and the latest article from fullford - secret government promises big changes
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html

enjoy!!!

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i found this today, it's the latest from benjamin. donald
http://rense.com/general77/fful.htm

secret government
promises big changes
by benjamin fulford
8-14-7

the secret government of the us and eu has promised a major overhaul in the wake of the warning it got from the chinese secret society, according to a senior japanese public security police officer and freemason who has been acting as an intermediary with the chinese secret society.

"expect big changes this autumn," he said in comments confirmed by a member of the japanese royal family. "what you will be seeing is the unwinding of george bush, senior's 50-year campaign to turn the u.s. into a fascist regime," the secret police agent says. "george bush senior is now a broken man showing signs of senile dementia," he adds. "they [the illuminati] know their rule is ending but they do not want it to end in an ugly way," the security police source says.

the recent market turmoil, including the chinese threat to sell dollars, was part of the bargaining towards major changes in the secret balance of power, we are told.

certainly, there are some encouraging signs. the tearful resignation of u.s. presidential "brain" karl rove removes a central lynchpin of bush's regime. since it follows six other resignations, it does look like rats abandoning a sinking ship.

in japan, meanwhile, the victory of the opposition democratic party in the recent upper house elections could lead to the end of the iraq and afghan wars. japan democratic party leader ichiro ozawa has promised to block renewal of an "anti-terrorist" bill that allows japan's self-defense forces to provide considerable logistical support to the u.s. sponsored wars in the region. without that support, it is unlikely the u.s. will have enough money or military might to continue them.

since this follows uk prime minister brown's vow to remove british troops with or without u.s. approval, it will mean the bush regime has lost its last big war allies. brown also publicly rebuked bush during a recent visit by doing such things as pointedly refusing to take home a souvenir he was given.

there are also signs the japanese election was manipulated behind the scenes to promote a democratic party victory in japan. just before the election, the japanese mainstream media suddenly began reporting heavily about a pension scandal the jdp has been talking - unreported - about for at least 5 years. this was crucial for their victory. we may see a general election as early as this fall, followed by the birth of a jdp government and an end to the post- war japanese regime. it could be a sign of diminished rockefeller influence in japan. however, it is not a sign of diminished illuminati control of japan since ozawa is himself a freemason.

despite the positive developments, the biggest worry is all the public hints about a new "terrorist attack" on the u.s. to be used as an excuse to trigger martial law. however, such an attack at this time "would fool nobody," the sources said. many u.s. citizens might be fooled but no other government in the world would believe it. "the secret government knows they cannot use their old tricks anymore."

the chinese secret societies meanwhile, are watching carefully for any sign of new attempts to spread disease or otherwise carry out genocidal attacks. they only give one warning and have now initiated a news blackout. i am not in the loop about what they would do if a new breach was found, but they did say whatever action they took would be "unpredictable and worse than expected."

at the same time, an anti-rothschild alliance has been formed in tokyo. they warn that the entire bush regime was probably set up as a "bad cop" to scare people in the arms of the eu "good cop." they say there may be other surprises, possibly including a fake ufo invasion that henry kissinger* hinted at during the 1991 bilderberg meeting. "we will have to look at least four or five steps ahead in order to keep on top of these people," the alliance says.

so far, the eu only consists of governments that are controlled in secret by the rothschilds, etc. (turkey is also a rothschild fiefdom). their secret parliament, the bilderbergers, have already shown they are racist by refusing to allow any japanese to join. as a result, any effort to turn the eu into the base of a world government is doomed to fail.

the anti-rothschild alliance, (with the discreet backing of the chinese secret societies), will be contacting leaders of russia, china, india, the muslim countries, south america, africa, etc. to create a global alliance that will demand a new way of running the planet.

the un security council will have to be replaced with a new grouping that more accurately represents the people of this planet. as it stands, 4 out of the 5 permanent security council members are representatives of caucasian nations even though only 17% of the world's people are caucasian. this global apartheid will have to end.

the world's financial system will also have to be replaced with a more transparent and equitable system that relies on more than simple human greed as the main incentive for transactions.

once this is done, a three-year campaign against the five curses of humanity: war, poverty, environmental destruction, ignorance and disease could be carried out. this could be a test case for replacing the hegelian system of pitting opposite forces against each other in war with a system for people to compete towards agreed upon peaceful goals.

the industries and lobbies that have depended on war and turmoil will have to be given new goals and direction. one possibility would be a long-term campaign to terraform mars.

people will have to be patient, however. these changes will happen over a period of years, not months. in the meantime, let us see if the autumn surprise appears as promised.

* "today, america would be outraged if un troops entered los angeles to restore order (referring to the la riots). tomorrow they will be grateful. this is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. it is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from evil. the one thing every man fears is the unknown. when presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well- being granted to them by the world government." - henry kissinger, bilderberg meeting 1991

[arcane son]

this is probably from natural causes but thought it was interesting in light of recent claims.

http://www.upi.com/newstrack/top_news/2007/08/08/banker_vintner_rothschild_dead_at_90/1760/

banker, vintner rothschild dead at 90

innsbruck, austria, aug. 8 (upi) -- the baron elie de rothschild, who helped run france's successful rothschilds' bank, died this week in austria at the age of 90.

the telegraph reported wednesday that the death of rothschild comes after he enjoyed a successful career both with his famed paris banking family and as the temporary head of his family's french chateau lafite-rothschild vineyard.

a success in both worlds, rothschild remained an active individual until his death tuesday in the austrian alps.

after a lucrative stint controlling the vineyard, rothschild eventually handed over control of the celebrated vineyard to his nephew eric in 1974.

while rothschild enjoyed success in both the wine-making and banking industry, it all came after he had spent time in a german prisoner of war camp during world war ii.

captured by german forces in 1940, rothschild attempted numerous unsuccessful escape attempts before ultimately being freed.

the british newspaper said that during his incarceration, rothschild did marry his girlfriend liliane fould-springer by proxy and they later had two daughters and a son.

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i just found another post today 7/16/07. donald

http://www.rense.com/general77/camb.htm
the new cambrian explosion
by benjamin fulford
7-15-7

we are on the verge of something that will be bigger than the cambrian explosion.

for 3 billion years, individual life-forms were so small they could only be seen with a microscope. then, in a geological eye-blink, a vast cornucopia of macroscopic life appeared. a similar phase- transition is imminent.

we now possess a set of tools that gives us god-like power. with that power comes god-like moral responsibility. we have, or will soon have: the ability to manipulate our genes at will, access to virtually unlimited free energy and real-time full-spectrum communications abilities. this will allow for the birth of a plethora of communities that will take on the aspects of super- beings. we know these now as governments, cultures, societies, corporations, religions, individuals etc. however, with the new technology, that is about to change.

[note from moderator: please visit the above url to read the rest of the article]

[fiz]

i'd like to offer the following response to fulford's latest as a reflection of my own personal investment in this stream of information, and in service to our ongoing consideration of this material together. if there's one thing i feel forums have helped me recognize and appreciate in an actively conscious way, it is that how i relate to emerging information (of any kind), is every bit as important as the information itself, since what is at stake is not just whether such information is true or false, but my own relation to reality altogether on the basis of my relation to information about reality.


part 1

it's good to see fulford is still sharing information.

i also noticed that the dead link on his personal website titled "anti-semitism is anti-satanism" is now active, and that it links to an essay that's pretty straightforward in explaining what that very strange title actually means.

these are strange days indeed. . .to find oneself taking in this kind of blow-by-blow activity on the lo-fi medium of the internet, no less.... so according to fulford's latest installment, the benign chinese secret society he claims to represent has been taken seriously by the negative elite these globally-positioned chinese good-guys intend to counter, with positive results likely to be made publicly visible sometime this fall for all to see.

fwiw, my own internal dialogue in response runs as follows: it's all folklore, until it isn't. it's all just another story, a possible description of a possible reality. if and when concrete events verify, in one way or another, the veracity of fulford's truth-claims, i'll have real information to go on. until then, as with the recent haiti ufo video's, the twilight zone of uncertainty between possible stories (and you tube videos!) about reality, and the actual reality they seek to describe remains firmly in place. uncertainty, as an openness to many possibilities while taking none to be the case, is the most accurate relation to reality i can have, without some kind of concrete evidence to instill a sense of reasonable belief. holding uncertainty as my conscious cognitive perspective in this rigorously intentional way maximizes my experience of free-will.

objective story <---> subjective uncertainty

holding the essential tension between these two dimensions of information-reception remains my primary focus, if and until objective evidence permits me to believe any story to accurately describe the way things actually are.

i am personally very grateful that fulford has more to offer, and that the initial results of his overall public disclosure (story or otherwise) appear to be potentially benign, possibly in service to a positive revolution that might be global in scope.

i hold this hope alongside the possibility that fulford's presentation may also be one-sided, limited, and/or premature, intentionally or otherwise. this too is always possible. uncertainty demands this be taken into account.

as per usual, one can only wait and see, and hope for the best....


part 2

part of the reason why i feel drawn to share this basic level of information analysis with others here is because i feel personally quite connected to the drama of the imminent, progressive exposure of the negative elite on earth. for years my dreamlife has guided me through visionary meetings and visitations with secret society's with startling poignancy. my most recent encounter in dreamtime, several months ago, which preceded fulford's public disclosure, found me sharing conversation with two high-ranking illuminati members, one of whom signified his recognition that i knew who he was in his abstract, indirect, superior way. his monologue was punctuated by him drawing forth three secret symbols from behind the lapel of his fine suit, and throwing them like daggers into the window curtain on the far end of the room. upon throwing the third symbol/dagger, the curtain lit up in flames, and i felt deeply struck by the unwavering confidence and utterly entitled conviction this man -- and others like him -- have for taking over the world.

my dream moved on, the second part in which i found myself at a private illuminati party. the theme was christmas, and i found myself observing the strangeness of many well-to-do people wearing masks and wearing only the finest threads. i was standing next to a christmas tree, which, to my shock, was decorated with deeply profane symbols and dolls, including one of hitler hanging from a noose. (i had not yet seen kubrick's film about a secret society costume orgy. shortly after this dream, i did so.)

the third part of the dream found me in the basement of this same party, at a large banquet behind closed doors, where there was a gathering vibe of group energy building in the space, until at one point it reached such a pitch of intensity that everyone suddenly locked arms -- someone grabbing mine -- and i felt a demonic current flow through everyone in the room in a kind of collective euphoric frenzy as this power enveloped everyone into a unity of dark intent. it was at that point that i found myself reciting a name of god, and effortlessly disengaging from this scene, floating up away from it altogether, restored to my essential freedom.

[end of dream]

shortly after having this disturbing dream, i read an article online somewhere describing an illuminati costumed party called a "feast of heaven and hell" that reminded me very much like the party in the second part of my dream. i took note of this, and wondered to what extent my dream was some kind of visionary alert of things to come.

noting the above, when fulford's amazing public disclosures came online, i felt their pivotal importance with a sense of bone-deep personal relevance. in this light, it would be very easy for me to accept fulford's claims at face value, given the felt correspondence with my dream life, as well as just my own subjective feeling about fulford himself being a straight-shooter with nothing to hide.

but it seems worth saying, even repeatedly and in many different ways, that the primary value of both intuitive visionary dreams i have like these, as with the value of emerging information like fulford's, is in offering me a chance to remain open to all possibilities to a kind of detailed extreme, one perhaps not possible without them. this, rather than either leaping to prematurely belief in one possibility over and against others before adequate evidence presents itself. and this, too, rather than closing my mind to all possibilities, and remaining unnecessarily skeptical.

and so i choose to be open to fulford's claims in a detailed way, which also means remaining cognitively uncertain to a rigorous extreme -- in proportion to the level of unverified detail i am choosing to be open to, and not closing my mind prematurely by either accepting or rejecting the information given. i find this cognitive move to be therapeutic and restorative in preserving my felt sense of free-will before what would otherwise amount to unverified belief or cynical skepticism.

(i hope all this doesn't sound simple-minded or insulting to the intelligence of others. in actual fact -- and here i take a deep breath -- i feel that clarifying this relationship between being open and cognitive uncertainty amounts to a deep healing of a longstanding karmic wound related to my own possible involvement/captivity to an sts order along these lines in previous lifetimes. this much has been suggested, anyway, by other related dreams which i won't burden folks here with, apart from noting that i do not find this dream and others like them to be a reflection of my merely personal psyche. such dreams as these arrive with an enhanced feeling of some kind, accompanied by a deep gut-punch of emotionally chiseled, felt-truth. at the same time, i'm not without my personal shadow, which very well may include a deep-historical connection to these characters of some kind that is now being "recycled" perhaps.)


conclusion

remaining intentionally open in cognitive uncertainty permits all possibilities their potential reality. cognitive uncertainty about reality is the mind's analogue to being ontologically open to emerging reality at the core.

standing in cognitive uncertainty takes work! so much so that i would so much prefer to have a story to believe....

but to believe prematurely information that has no evidence is to be knowingly immature in myself, and willing to sacrifice my sacrosanct free-will for a good story in its place. this level of subtle relinquishment of sovereignty at the level of information-reception is worth guarding against with sharpened awareness.

i would like to think that this way of reading current events -- vigilantly holding them in uncertainty as they continue to emerge and unfold -- may also be a positive way of participating in them, one that might maximize being open, and that this potent quality of being -- however cognitively uncertain it otherwise must be -- is itself a communicative, positive contribution in itself.

fiz

(on edit: my first posted version of this post was full of typo's, which i attribute not just to my own carelessness, but to the difficulty involved in deciding to share this level of personal information. coming back 24 hours later to re-read and revise my mistakes, i notice that i have felt a sense of enhanced connection to this space (dc), and the folks who are present here -- as well as to my own sense of reality in the undefined infinity of its total mystery. thank you, seth and others, for being here to help hold this space, as we bear witness to the playing out of current events in this particular context, and so many others....)

[voidzero]

just to fill in some small gaps.. it is my understanding that ra expresses the fact that some do have a double ie. 3d/4d body, the latter not fully being activated yet.

ra also expresses that because of the 4d body activation, the earth will not be inhabited by 3d entities because the 4d entity has not yet understood the ways in which to cloak itself from 3d. i hope this makes sense. if it does i wonder where this leaves us with the "2012 aftermath"...

[Mozart]

[i]...<snip>
i would like to think that this way of reading current events -- vigilantly holding them in uncertainty as they continue to emerge and unfold -- may also be a positive way of participating in them, one that might maximize being open, and that this potent quality of being -- however cognitively uncertain it otherwise must be -- is itself a communicative, positive contribution in itself.

fiz


fiz,


this is an outstanding post and it reflects exactly the ambivalent feelings that i have about the fulford information. i very, very much want for all of this information to be true, but i've been burned too many times before (like a hardened heart against too many breakups with women)falling for things that did not pan out.


but, so far, this stuff appears to be panning out and i'm gradually getting more and more hopeful about it. my initial intuitive sense about it was that it was for real (similar to how i reacted to the dan burisch material), but, i needed a bit more confirmation as to the reality/illusion of it.


like many on this list, i'm following this information very, very closely.


i have this idea of doing a t-shirt or a poster. it's a red/green-colored yin/yang symbol that sprouts out a pair of chinese-looking arms that are swinging a samurai sword in one hand and a knife in the other--both aimed right-dead on the eye of a pyramid in a little pyramid. the yin/yang symbol is a large one in the bottom of the shirt/poster with the eye/pyramid a small one at the top of the poster. the caption: "chinese checkmate!"


what is interesting to me was that i was having an intense conversation with a friend several months ago talking about the struggles that we (people) have had with the illoonynaughties and i had related the history of what happened at runnymede, where the magna charta was signed with the swords of the people symbolically were drawn against king john, who reluctantly signed the document that gave birth to the beginning of the recognition of the inalienable rights of people. i had said to my friend that this is what would be needed to stop the illoonynaughties--to have the power to quickly kill them off if they did not stop their nasty depopulation/power agendas. but i could not come up with a real-life scenario in which this kind of thing could happen, but i made it clear that i felt that the only effective way to stop them was to have a credible way to assassinate most of them if they did not stop their evil ways. little did i know that this kind of thing was for real with the chinese secret society.


we owe that chinese secret society a deep debt of gratitude. <bowing deeply to the chinese secret society>.


~seth

[MarkM]

i recall a conversation i was involved in once that revolved around the issue of peaceful resolution of conflict. i was defending the position of violence not needing to ever be a means of resolution.

i was asked a series of hypothetical questions about what i would do if attacked, if a loved one was being attacked, etc.

in pondering how to respond to these questions, i felt a troubling cloud of low vibrationed energy come over me as i imagined these events occurring. it occurred to me that to just consider how i would react to such physical attacks was lowering my own vibration.

i noted that other than bullying in grade-school, i have never been in such a situation where i have had to defend against violence with violence. (come to think of it, i never defended myself physically in grade-school.)

as my questioner pressed for answers, i realized that it was, in some way, folly for me to even consider these questions, one of which was how i would choose if faced with a choice between which of various loved ones would die, if forced to make such a choice.

by the grace of whatever relation i have with my own higher guiding principles and entities, i am left peacefully alone in this life to transmit life and light into the world. such questions of intrigue have not had to be faced by me; and if such a regretful necessity arises, i'll cross that bridge when i come to it.

and so i declined to address the questions, feeling that to do so would only lessen my own conductivity of positive energy. there are those in this world who, for whatever reasons on whatever level, are faced with the need to choose how to act in the face of a lethal threat from others. if they find themselves on that particular stage, well, what can i say, it's unfortunate.

so, when i read about the chinese secret society's alleged plans to strike at the 'eye', i find i can neither support this plan 'b' as it is called, or condemn it. in fact, i can't even address the conundrum at all, for to do so fills me with an inner conflict, as it has many of you.

from a purely spiritual perspective, for those of us who have the mission of channeling the energy of light/love out into the world at large (and considering that many wanderers will read of benjamin fulford), merely the consideration of this conundrum, i believe, is antithetical to our mission, and perhaps is a ploy to lessen the pure, unadulterated quality of love from the heart of oneness, by making us think we should choose, here, regarding plan 'b', if it comes to that.

not to be ensnared by 'human' intrigue, i remain,

mark

[SuperManny]

just to fill in some small gaps.. it is my understanding that ra expresses the fact that some do have a double ie. 3d/4d body, the latter not fully being activated yet.

ra also expresses that because of the 4d body activation, the earth will not be inhabited by 3d entities because the 4d entity has not yet understood the ways in which to cloak itself from 3d.
i've been fascinated too by concept of this dual body. they asked ra if these dual-body people would have to die at harvest time. ra said they would have to die according to the laws of third density. this got me wondering, because he didn't exactly say that the 4d body would die. could it be possible, in a dual-body person, for the 3d body to die and the rest of the mind/body/spirit complex move on to fully actualize in a 4d earth? what else would be a reason to have a dual body?

obviously the 4d earth will be populated, but how will the first 4d people appear? maybe this could be a possible scenario, where these dual-body people kind of 'shed' the 3d body and keep the 4d body.

seems like i remember ra saying that when earth went from 2d to 3d a strain of the chimp/monkey/baboon became hairless and developed into the human body over one or two generations.

sorry mods, i know this thread is running a little off the topic, but i just wanted to respond to this...

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i found this today on rense.com 8/23/07 donald, i pray that this will come true.

http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html

secret government promises big changes
by benjamin fulford

the secret government of the us and eu has promised a major overhaul in the wake of the warning it got from the chinese secret society, according to a senior japanese public security police officer and freemason who has been acting as an intermediary with the chinese secret society. �gexpect big changes this autumn,�h he said in comments confirmed by a member of the japanese royal family. �gwhat you will be seeing is the unwinding of george bush senior�fs 50-year campaign to turn the u.s. into a fascist regime,�h the secret police agent says. �ggeorge bush senior is now a broken man showing signs of senile dementia,�h he adds.

if the sources are to be believed, u.s. president george bush�fs government will resign, before his term expires, and will be replaced by an interim regime headed by al gore.

[Verm]

hello, i am newbie to these forums but have been reading them quite some time. so greetings to you all! i have been following the fulford event quite a bit and there are some amazing things happening within if this indeed is all true. just to make it short but quick, what fulford has been saying in his last story, about the changes to come seem to be happening. now, could be coincidence, but who believes in that :) . but in the past month 3 high ranking members have resigned and the newest of that the attorney general. just something you guys i am sure are completely aware of, but would be interesting to keep this post going the direction of what changes are happening that have been "promised" from fulford's article.

[Divine Cosmopolitan]

an interum reign headed by al gore???
thats not even possible is it?

[SuperManny]

an interum reign headed by al gore???
thats not even possible is it?
absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

[Verm]

absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

wasn't he going against john kerry? not that it matters, but just saying. or are you talking about the first term election?

[billybobbutterball]

absolutely! anything is possible!:d
i thought this was kinda strange at first, but when you think about it, it all makes sense in a weird way. if the bush regime is exposed as predicted, it may very well come to light that the last election was actually skewed in gws favor. so we may find out that al gore did indeed win the election, so why not let him do what he was 'elected' to do?

whoops! unless i'm a victim of a time-line blipburp the last presidential election was between bush and some other bones guy named kerry.:confused:

billybushwacked :eek:

[SuperManny]

wasn't he going against john kerry? not that it matters, but just saying. or are you talking about the first term election?
well i guess this opens up a whole new 'can of worms' and sure if you could prove that kerry won..... i don't know if you could, but i think it could much more easily proven that gore won. who knows, a lot of people say both of the last two elections were a farce. i don't know, just trying to make sense of this mad, mad world.

[Mozart]

well i guess this opens up a whole new 'can of worms' and sure if you could prove that kerry won..... i don't know if you could, but i think it could much more easily proven that gore won.


it can be proven in any court beyond any reasonable doubt that both gore and kerry were winners in both of their respective elections, as both elections were provably stolen by the thief executive, the shrub. there are a lot of solid, factual and irrefutable proofs that both elections were stolen.


and the idea of gore leading a transitional, post-shrub team--that is entirely within the realm of possibility because the "government" as a whole that we understand it to be is already an extra-constitutional entity, meaning that it has been functioning wholly outside of the organic constitution for a very, very long time--ever since 1861. in other words we have not had an effective republic acting under the organic constitution as designed by our founding fathers ever since 1861. not kidding. as for gore leading...i think that ron paul is a far-better choice for heading this transitional team, as there was a recent poll... http://usaelectionpolls.com/ ... that shows ron paul taking a full 61% of the votes out a field of 19 candidates (both dems/repubs). wow.


this whole country has, somehow, continued to function as a whole nation, endowed with a unique self-identity without the effective use of an active organic constitution, as lawfully amended ever since 1861.


to further muddy the waters of "law", the organic constitution as we know it was fatally flawed in many ways and had no true authority that was really derived from the people, yet, somehow, america continued to function as a somewhat cohesive whole nation and continues to do so, though in a very much negatively-altered state as compared to what it was in the past.


after many years of extensive law/legal research, i had started to create a whole new way of how the people can govern themselves that starts with a three-step process of expatriating out of the current system of slave-based governance into a new way of governance that would be guided by a compact in a "new union" that would take the best of the organic constitution, embody the essential spirit of the declaration of independence, be built upon the golden rule and be interconnected by a common, interest/usury-free currency that would be handled by locally-based co-op banks owned/operated by the people themselves; the dimensions of the new currency would have reflected the golden mean and other sacred geometric principles. i think that it would have really worked, but the reality of the sheer dominance of the illoonynaughties and their abilities to infiltrate/destroy any oppositional groups shadowed over my whole project, plus the emergence of the reality of 2012 event horizon hit, so i thought..."what's the point of doing this new union compact if 2012 is just around the corner?". so i did not follow through with this and have pretty much abandoned my whole law/legal career that i had been building. oh well. <sigh>


~seth

[Verm]

and that now gives you the time to spend your energy on much more important matters! from the looks of it you have done some great research there. now only imagine what you could do showing to people what is coming :)

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i found another post by benjamin fulford today 9/1/07 donald

http://benjaminfulford.com/howthe.html

how the celtic peoples were enslaved by babylonian tyrants.



the way asians view western history is astounding beyond imagination. we learn that everything we have been taught is a lie. we learn that we are being manipulated and herded like sheep by a secret elite. we learn that we live in a matrix of lies designed to keep us in slavery.

the implications are so vast that it is hard to know where to begin. ultimately, to really understand, we must go back to the beginnings of western civilization...

[Mozart]

$%^#%! i'm sooooo pissed. it may turn out that the fulford shiat was a false-hope. how in the hell are we going to keep the illoonynaughties in check? how?

~seth

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
http://www.rense.com/general79/fulf.htm

fulford's ninjas:
don't hold your breath
by henry makow ph.d.
11-10-7


"oh my gawd!" i exclaimed when benjamin fulford sent me his picture with david rockefeller. "he actually met the grand panjandrum of the new world order!"

when we last tuned in, benjamin fulford had issued an ultimatum <http://www.savethemales.ca/002056.html to the illuminati on behalf of an ancient chinese secret society, consisting of six million members, including thousands of assassins, gangsters and ninjas: "desist with your plans for world depopulation or else you and your families will be assassinated."

"we will pluck out the eye at the top of the illuminati pyramid," fulford told us. "we have trained ninjas close to them all. they will be wiped out in a matter of hours."

fulford offered to meet david rockefeller at the estate of his great grandfather, tycoon g.t. fulford in brockville ont. he waited but there was no response.

silence. the whole (conspiracy) world held its breath. in august, he reported that the illuminati had promised to play nice: <http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html [name] would not finish out his term. he also reported that the japanese were going to cast off the rockefeller yoke <http://benjaminfulford.com/freemeison2.html, and would make continued financing of the us debt conditional on reform.

now this!

one problem. something was wrong with this picture: specifically the expression on the intrepid fulford's face. he looks like a kid who just met santa claus, not the arch-enemy of mankind. rockefeller's family financed auschwitz and mengele's experiments on live inmates. they and their satanic henchmen are dragging humanity into an abyss.

"oh my god, is that dr?" i asked the tokyo-based journalist. "have you gone over to the dark side? wipe that silly grin off your face!"

it turns out the meeting was not in response to the ultimatum at all:


"there is much i cannot say but i guarantee you i would rather burn in hell than go over to the dark side. hell, though is just total and permanent oblivion. i told him i thought of him as the wizard of oz and said, "mr. rockefeller, we all want to go back to kansas." he was with two handlers and most of the conversation was on camera; that meant there was no chance of getting him to admit to any secret plans. i also gave him a private letter from g.t. fulford. at g.t.'s insistence the contents cannot be made public now for reasons of global security. i talked with him before he went to meet the emperor. big changes are coming. the world is going to get much, much better, that much i promise."

makow: "i take it then that you did not meet dr in your capacity as rep of the red and green [secret society], and that dr did not know of your previous 'invitation.'...frankly i see this conspiracy as so pervasive that it is not likely to change course. but i want to be wrong, naturally."

fulford: "the meeting was in two capacities. one was within the matrix to get his public face and official views on the record. the other was personal in order to verify that the fulford and the rockefeller families have been intertwined for over a century by the ghost of g.t. fulford. the secret society's messages can be read in the newspapers every day."

g.t. fulford was a patent medicine tycoon like j.d. rockefeller. apparently he was the largest shareholder in general electric and was about to buy general motors when he met an untimely death in 1905 when a trolley rammed into his chauffeured limo. apparently he was planning to finance tesla.

anyway, the picture has changed from the one fulford gave me back in june. then, he was about to declare war on the illuminati, but would give them one last chance. now he is delivering letters written by the ghost of his dead great grandfather, and talking about how the two families are intertwined.

for some reason fulford chose me to introduce his story. i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. i want to keep believing in benjamin and his ninjas, but i'm not going to hold my breath. ---

henry makow ph.d. is the author of "cruel hoax: feminism and the new world order." (www.cruelhoax.ca) his articles can be found at his web site www.henrymakow.com he enjoys receiving comments, some of which he posts on his site using first names only. hmakow@gmail.com

[Mozart]

ok, folks,


here's the latest from fulford...


http://www.rense.com/general79/benjk.htm


...and below my commentary is a paste of that article for your convenience.


[seth's commentary:i must say that i really liked what was said there and get the sense that fulford's grandfather really is speaking through his grandson, benjamin. it is fascinating that g. t. fulford speaks of the fractals in the universe and the idea that humanity is but at the dawn of what we are about to become, both of which are true. it seems that david rockefeller is about to go through a personalized version of a space odyssey; i hope that he really takes heed of the words of the fulford ghost. at this point, i'm just in a wait-n-see mode, as i've felt burned too many times, have had my hopes destroyed too many times, so i'm like "ok, prove it, mf!"

another point of interest is the g.t. fulford's comment about rockefeller's picture in that fulford had a sense of rockefeller's impending mortality. for many years i have had the ability to see one's impending death when i look at a photo; when i see that "look", without fail, that person has died within a year of the picture and, now, i see that "look" with my own mother with a recent photo of her, so i'm gonna spend as much time with her as i can.]


here's the paste:


letters to david rockefeller
from g.t. fulford?
world exclusive
by benjamin fulford
11-12-7

i received the following email information from benjamin fulford and am publishing it with his permission.

for further information about george taylor (g.t.) fulford -
http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/g.t._fulford

- jeff rense


jeff -

there is much i cannot tell. i met david rockefeller just before he was due to meet the emperor. he was summoned. something big is happening. it seems g.t. fulford is an honest-to-god genuine ghost. (ghosts have appeared to, and worked through, relatives and descendants throughout history. -ed) the reason i met him (rockefeller) is that i sent a letter from g.t. to him. i believe the matrix is about to collapse and the world is going to get much, much better.

the fact that i was able to call him (david rockefeller) directly (without going through middlemen), and knew he was in tokyo for what was supposed to have been a secret visit, may have spooked him a bit.

it is clear the asian secret society has begun to move. the dollar is still dropping. the us air force has suspended all flights of f15s. japan's politics are in turmoil. the post-war regime is ending.

i have attached g.t.'s letters to david. my very powerful subjective experience was that the letters were dictated to me by g.t. fulford.
i have never believed in ghosts. however, i have had visions recently (without using any drugs) so powerful and so unusual, that i am pretty sure g.t. is really a ghost. impossible memories are also coming back to me (like being frozen and hungry on a boat in the st. laurence river in my early days or like my love for eleanora - the lady i knew of as my great-aunt eleanor).

please also note that william lyon mackenzie king, who was prime minister of canada for over 20 years, wrote in his diaries that he consulted with ghosts to decide how to run the country. mackenzie king's seances were often held at the fulford home. my great grandmother introduced him (king) to spirituality. according to my grandmother, he regularly consulted with the ghost of g.t. fulford. david rockefeller told me that mackenzie king was his father's best friend. these are historical facts.

i continue to check and, as far as i can tell, i still have full sanity.

benjamin fulford

[for the rest of the article, please see the url above]

[Jzerres]

you do know that if so said was true then why is he still alive. i believe that. its the same with mr. ron paul wanting to rid us of the irs. this is more credible. as you can see the media running away from him. now, since the media is controlled by this monopoly, this is why we never ever here about mr. benjamin fulford. but since its posted on the net, and in forums, it must have some truth to it. but, its like buyer beware. do your homework. one thing for certain there is revolution in the air. check web-bot. things will get worse in the finacial markets, oil will go down, crash really bad around the end of this month. what hurts the ones who have everything. not letting them have you.

[DAB]

what hurts the ones who have everything. not letting them have you.

hi jzerres,

more and more and more "real" , honest and good working people are making a conscious decision to dis-en-franchise themselves, to the best of their ability, from the "takers and service to self" elite.

[fiz]

i just have to say that i really am enjoying the fulford drama as it continues to unfold....

for me, it all remains a story, and nothing more.

but i allow myself to be open to the possibility of it being a true one, and for it to possibly have an influential bearing on the outcome of future events.

now, to take it down a notch -- geez, how wild can you get?? man! benjamin channeling g.t.'s ghost to the muckiest of them all, complete with a polaroid? this is where the entertainment value of this strange drama is right up there with it's astonishing potential significance.

i'm glad to see benjamin holding himself with a nice round dose of humor too, in suggesting that as far as he can tell, he 'still has full sanity'. i find myself triangulating on such self-depracating statements, alongside that quite surprising photograph of him and anakin skywalk...er, david rockefeller -- along with what feels to me to be the amazing timing of fulford's latest chiming in to rense, as the pace of world events continues to increase with harrowing uncertainty.

...not to mention my own hearing back from fulford privately in an e-mail where he suggested to me that his article with the dead link some months back was likely messed with by the visiting team.

...and, not to mention my finding myself staring at the celebrated fulford mansion on vancouver island on a bike trip last summer, and sensing at the time that this was just too much of a surprise not to be synchronous in a very real way with my own uncertain participation in reality.

and of course, who knows! :d

all the better to wait and see...while sipping from a lovely cup of fragrant green uncertain tea.

fiz

[Mozart]

...not to mention my own hearing back from fulford privately in an e-mail where he suggested to me that his article with the dead link some months back was likely messed with by the visiting team.


all the better to wait and see...while sipping from a lovely cup of fragrant green uncertain tea.


hey fiz,


very nice post. thoroughly enjoyable and i really enjoyed your tea pun.


and you got an e-mail from fulford? you lucky! i have sent him nicely-worded e-mails with no response from him, not that i expected any. maybe he didn't like my calling him "benjamin-san"? i dunno.

[fiz]

thanks mozart.

hey, fwiw, i didn't hear back from benjamin for like months.

my original e-mail to benjamin was sent july 17, 2007, as follows:


date: jul 17, 2007 2:24 pm
subject: your latest essay ???


hi benjamin,

i've been enjoying your recent essays and interview on rense, but am somewhat confused by the latest essay on your website, titled:

"anti-semitism is anti-satanism"

i'm confused for 2 reasons: first, because this seems like a rather dramatic title for an essay -- perhaps unnecessarily inflammatory?

and: because there is no working link to the title.

honestly, i'm wondering if your site has been hacked, and if you are okay, i.e., out of harms way. i hope so.

i don't expect you'll necessarily reply to me personally, but care enough to send this.

thanks for your hard work.

chris



2 months later, i heard back -- on october 13th, as follows:



date: oct 13, 2007 8:41 pm

what the article says is that if you remove anything that is anti-jewish
from anti-semitism you are left over with a body of knowledge that could be
relabelled anti-satanism. i suspect they deliberately sabotaged the link.
please feel free to forward the definition to whoever you wish.

benjamin fulford
古歩道ベンジャミン


because benjamin has specifically allowed me to forward the definition to whoever i wish, i feel it may be doing him a service to share this mini-dialogue with all concerned here.

what an amazing moment in time we are presently witnessing!

peace....

fiz

[Mozart]

hey fulford fans,


henry makow, a frequent contributor to rense, has penned a tirade aimed
at fulford here...

http://www.rense.com/general79/engi.htm

...in this article and a partial copy is here, to wit:



i scolded benjamin fulford, "you were on record as wanting to deliver an ultimatum from a tangible power; instead you delivered three letters from a ghost."

fulford thinks he is channeling the ghost of his great-grandfather, tycoon g.t. fulford, who knew john d. rockefeller.


i can see makow's point and it is a rather logical one; however, i get the "sense" that the fulford connection with his grandfather is genuine. maybe my "sense" of the g.t.-to-benjamin connection is a desperate wish-fulfillment on my part, but, maybe it's real.


the fulford-to-fulford connection as described by benjamin does sound like that it would be happening that way, as it is easy to see the grandfather to make a strong effort to get through to his grandson in the manner that he did and did you notice that g.t. fulford made an appeal to d. rockefeller's sense of vanity and ego? sensible approach by g.t., if you ask me.


the whole thing is either a total joke or it's the real deal. it's a pretty good reflection of the uncertainty of today's times, as fiz so aptly pointed out in his recent post.

[fiz]

thanks for the heads up on makow's latest, mozart....

clearly, critical analysis of fulford is essential. if fulford is not making his story up, then -- within mere weeks and months -- current events will reflect as much. in the meantime, such healthy skepticism is always welcome, if only as a form of "uncertainty insurance" in the face of having no hard facts before us.

at the same time, i too feel a certain kinship with benjamin's story to date, including channeling his grandpa's ghost. this may be foolish on my part, and we shall see.

i love having fellow peers here at d.c. to share this emerging view from the edge together before the great unknown, and wondering out loud among ourselves what is and what will be. it's good to have other people's company like this, however uncertain we must remain.

i've just put on some more green tea for the next installment of our unfolding story....

fiz

[nem338nem]

ron paul is your first indicator. i 've looked at every fulford blog since july. ofcourse he mentions him. but that is not the reason it is a gut feeling. that is all i work with. and you?

[dariusdjc]

sometimes you are better off judging for yourself instead of listening to someone else. some people lack patience and when they don't see things happening fast they are quick to turn right back around and judge someone. they fail to look at the good things and like to point out all the bad things. time will tell.

[nem338nem]

did anyone happen to watch the full interview that is now up on rense's site? if so what are your thoughts?

[Mozart]

did anyone happen to watch the full interview that is now up on rense's site? if so what are your thoughts?


sheesh, i can't find the interview that you mention...is this one of the older interviews, or a newer one? got a link?


i checked all over rense & fulford's site and i don't see anything new.

[dariusdjc]

letters to david rockefeller from g.t. fulford?
http://rense.com/general79/benjk.htm

is david rockefeller about to approve the release of suppressed technologies for interstellar space travel?
http://www.exopolitics.org/exo-comment-61.htm

[Mozart]

...and here's the url:


http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_amydemic_071126_rockefeller_summoned.htm


a snip:


as unlikely as it may seem david rockefeller agreed to meet with benjamin fulford on november 14, 2007. the two men sat down and fulford began with the topic of global government, saying that he had heard some quotes by rockefeller that were supportive of the idea, but rockefeller attempts to deny and dodge the history books, saying he cannot imagine the likelihood of any single government elected by the people of the world would be desirable, and he is visibly bothered, perhaps because of his words on page 405 of his book, memoirs...

[SuperManny]

...and here's the url:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_amydemic_071126_rockefeller_summoned.htm
thanks mozart, i had just found that page and was gonna link to it, but you beat me to it.

at the end of the article there's a link where you can buy the entire video interview for $3. just wondered if anyone has gotten it and whether there was anything of note in the video that was not covered in the article.

[Mozart]

thanks mozart, i had just found that page and was gonna link to it, but you beat me to it.

at the end of the article there's a link where you can buy the entire video interview for $3. just wondered if anyone has gotten it and whether there was anything of note in the video that was not covered in the article.


hey supermanny,


<g>glad to beat you to it. and yw.


you'd be surprised at how many people on this forum get the idea of posting something of the same link or similar idea to post on this list at the same time. several times i have gone to this forum with an intent to post a link, only to find that someone had beat me to it.


with more people participating in this forum, there would even be times when several people would post the same link at the same time with the posts waiting in the moderator backlog, if this hasn't happened already.


i really do hope that the fulford stuff works out for us, the people.

[nem338nem]

trust me when i say not only is 2008 a bifurcation point, it will actually show itself. i know david has mentioned that before, however reality has shown it in the last 6 months or so. here are some examples: 1) you have the congress both senate and reps being inundated with calls to receed thier vote on immigration. 2) you have clear mention of a north american union ("sheepling" - slavery, sts people) 3) shotdown of governor putaki's (ny) proposal of licensing immigrants. 4) ofcourse my personal favorite-ron paul (from nowhere) upsetting the mainstream agenda. 5) follow it with ben fulford, squaring up with david rckefeller (by no coincidence and meant to be or he would have been able to meet with him on nov. 14th)

end story, we are drawing closer to the closing chapter's. as in my reading from david: the negative elite are only doing their job to ref;ect humanity's shadow upon themselves; they will gradually break down their own existense while clasping for the brass ring amongst them selves, and love will give way, so you can say the the game is truly rigged, for the (and i don't remember these words exactly, sorry) love and growth will always prevail - light wins. sorry the last sentence was not verbatim from the reading , but the essence was the same!

ilove you guy's and we need to help david more ($), i have not given anything lately but i think if we do a sort of ron paul thing we can help him! he needs it, i sense it. forgive me if i am wrong,

thank you nelson

[nem338nem]

c'mon guy's, if we all contributed $25 x 500 to a 1000 people we could help david. just an idea, but why not? think of what he has given us! this is not a "religious fund raiser", but i think that until his movie is fully funded that he may need some help along the way. maybe i should make a new thread, for those that agree please reply.

thank you, nelson

[moderator: i am going to release this, but please know that david has his own site donations already set up. please don't feel pressured to donate and use your own discretion here]

[Mozart]

hey fulford fans,


there are some fulford videos now available...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704527408635856046



...that can be seen here. anybody up for transcribing them?!


any transcripts done of these fulford videos would be made available to the rest of the internet, as i'll send it on to rense.com and other sites. very important stuff!


~seth

[Michael Donovan]

this thread great. i think it fits. great posts. whatever is happening with this guy on rense the illuminati is crumbling. many factors. yes, we are changing/mutating. though 'war' in news world watch reports real conflict world wide down, and continuing to diminish is last decade.
still feel the real 'glue' of secret government is a secret deal concerning non-use of nukes first brokered by my dad's boss, luce, in early fifties with j. stalin.
more there might not be 'in thread' here. anyone who wants background can email me and i will provide link.

conflict has gone in the opposite direction planned hy illuminati. in their projected time-line iraq should have given up and jumped into their arms. both syria and lebanon should have been taken as horn of africa. you can't get away with this stuff if you are a looser. bankers will in near time withdraw support.

agree not to prosecute them. that would be playing at their level. simply go on. and up.
wonderful.
michael

[moderator: what? are you guys nuts? what are you talking about? explain this or the thread is getting closed-we are not a conspiracy forum and you guys can go other places to discuss this, just not in our foum]

[SuperManny]

here's another one called new info about benjamin fulford and more. it's 2 hr 4 min and dated dec 27, 2007. looks like the entire show. if you wanna save some time go right to around 1 hr and 20 minutes into it, since fulford doesn't come on until then.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7356485046422715449

[inside-up]

hey fulford fans,


there are some fulford videos now available...


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3704527408635856046



i have to say, fulford comes off as a nut case in this video. he supposedly issued rockefeller an ultimatum four months before this interview, and rants about it soon into the video. then, when he interviews rockefeller, it's as if it never happened. he never mentions it and rockefeller seems oblivious to it and to who he is.

yet, he braggs that he could've had rockefeller brought to him tied up with a vibrator up his azz. if he has so much power why did he have to pretend that he was a journalist doing an interview? and why does he worry that rockefeller would leave if he pressed him? wouldn't he have his people there to make sure dr stayed and listened to his ultimatum if he belonged to such a powerful group?

[Mozart]

hey fulford followers,


here's the latest interview of benjamin fulford, courtesy of our man, david wilcock. obviously david felt that it was important enough to quickly transcribe the interview and get it out there, pronto. thank you, david, for doing this.

http://www.rense.com/general80/flf.htm

well, hey, what benjamin fulford says in the interview supports my optimism about how great 2008 would be, as written in my post, "2008 will be great!" post. for a good month or so, my optimism has been flagging a lot and i was really starting to think that i had posted a major clunker.


if david took his very valuable time to bother with the transcription of this interview, he must be taking this one seriously, as well as what benjamin fulford is saying in it. but after a number of interviews by fulford with no significant public changes yet happening, how on earth can we know that the behind-the-scenes stuff that he's talking about is really happening?


i've been taken down too many dead-end roads of false optimism/hope and i just don't f******g have the heart to make one more trip down such a dead-end road. i've been very, very close to throwing in my towel and heading off to canada and making it across the border, somehow, with the hiding my stash of gold in a toilet that's filled to the brim with you-know-what.


i really, really hope that everything that fulford is saying is true and gonna really happen. japan having 5 trillion bucks--man, that's nearly 5 times the huge 1.3 trillion-dollar investment fund that the chinese have created--with which to equitably redistribute wealth to the world is astonishing and i hope that it happens. the world is filled with undiscovered einsteins, teslas, rembrandts and a rising tide of well-spread wealth would finally lift all boats of the hidden natural genius talents of so many who can contribute beautifully to the fabric of the woven reality of the natural greatness of the creative human spirit.


i'm cautiously, minimally and carefully optimistic.

[fiz]

yo mo ~

i dig this:

fulford: "what's happening now is that this may be the biggest historical change in hundreds of years. we're talking about a secret regime that has ruled the planet for 300 years coming to an end. that's what really is going on. it's truly going to be a wonderful thing for the people of humanity, and for the people of america and england! they will be free -- for the first time in a very long time! the newspapers will be filled with real news. they will have more money. there will be no more paranoid propaganda. you people have been trained to be some sort of warrior ants or warrior caste. fifty percent of hollywood's budget comes from the pentagon! you're trained to be fighting machines from a very young age. this is going to end. people will say, "wow! i don't have to be paranoid anymore. i don't have to be scared. i don't have to think about fighting all the time." this is the sort of change we're talking about."

of course, i share your cautious, incremental optimism. the freewill that cognitive uncertainty grants demands it! but, that said, geez man, wouldn't it be nice to see fulford's forecasts bear even a slight resemblance to our emerging planetary reality.

of course it would. and towards that end, i broadcast my sincerest hopes in such a direction, while continuing to refuse to believe what i cannot know.

yours in kind....

fiz

[Art]

well, hey, what benjamin fulford says in the interview supports my optimism about how great 2008 would be, as written in my post, "2008 will be great!" post. for a good month or so, my optimism has been flagging a lot and i was really starting to think that i had posted a major clunker.

hang in there! i loved your 2008 post - it filled me with optimism when i needed it. 2008 will be a great year. however, i would offer this analogy... its gonna get worse before it gets better... ever heard that before? so, patience is in order...

so, i believe that 2008 will have a slow start to it, but as we continue on, we will begin to see the changes we are waiting for. the old system has to go before the new can be installed. as far as this fulford stuff goes, that seems to be out of my control and i try not to dwell on things outside of my realm of (direct) influence, although i do enjoy reading about it. :rolleyes:

thanks for your posts and keeping us up to date.

art

[Mozart]

benjamin fulford interviews david rockefeller

about illuminati, asian opposition

fulford: hello my name is benjamin fulford, and i am here to talk to you about the secret government of the united states and why it is the world’s largest problem.

my involvement with this secret government started this spring when i interviewed japanese finance minister, hezio takenaka…or former finance minister.

i confronted him with evidence that he had sold out the japanese financial system to a group of financial companies owned by david rockefeller and the rothschilds. the very next day, i got an email from someone who said he was introduced to mr. takenaka and he wanted me to meet someone.

the person i met gave me this freemason badge [shows badge] and he said to me that he was a professional assassin and that i could either stop exposing people….oh, no…he said i could either continue exposing people and die at the age of 46, or i could become, basically, the finance minister of japan.

now i have all this proof on tape and video.

this is apparently what happened to a lot of people on this planet. they get to a certain level and they’re told “either you join us or you die.” and most of them join them, and that way they get the elite in their pocket. and that’s the secret of their control.

in my case, i would have probably have had to do that, too. although, once i realized that i had met an honest, high-level, freemason who told me there are 13 levels of freemason above the level of 33rd degree and that these people were “god”. that there was no god, they were god.

so i asked them about their plan to kill people. and they said, “yes, there are too many people on the planet. we need to get rid of several billion, and war doesn’t seem to work. so we’re going to use disease and starvation.

now, i don’t know about you, but i couldn’t live with something like that. and my first thought was: “well, i have to pretend to join them and sort of throw them over from the inside”. and i suspect that a lot of people from the inside of these groups have the same feeling. they hate being there and they’re scared, but they’d love it if these guys were overthrown.

see, you’ve got to remember that not everybody inside the secret government is evil. in fact, i bet that the majority actually want to do good things for the planet, but they’re scared.

in my case, the very next day after i got this threat and offer of a bribe from the ninja…well, the guy who described himself as a ninja…a chinese secret society contacted me. it’s actually an asian secret society. it’s not chinese. it’s japanese, korean. it’s all of asia. and they offered me protection.

and this is their booklet [holds up booklet]. one of them. this is the booklet of the other. now, people who know will know that this is real.

they have 6 million members…more, actually…including 1.8 million gangsters and a lot of very intellectual people. they can mobilize all public opinion in asia.

and, earlier this year, i issued an ultimatum on rense.com.

the answer to the ultimatum was that the self-described assassin told me that there would be an earthquake in niigata prefecture, japan, and 2 days later, on 2 consecutive days, there were earthquakes right on top of japan’s largest nuclear power plant… and, (i’ll try to present this to people in the future) there are videos taken of a ball of plasma in the atmosphere above niigata on that day.

so his answer was to hit a nuclear power plant with an earthquake which could kill innocent people. and i said, “why on earth, then, would i not retaliate?” well, that would be playing into his strong-hand, now, wouldn’t it?

he controls a lot of violence, a lot of instruments of death. the people who are behind him, these sabbatean sects of satanists, would love to trigger world war iii. and i’m not going to give them that excuse.

so, instead, the chinese societies in the asian countries (and you have noticed) have started dumping dollars big time. and they’ve stopped going to g8 meetings in davos.

and you have also noticed that their submarines, the chinese submarines, have popped up right behind u.s. aircraft carriers in the middle of military exercises. what that means is that every single u.s. aircraft carrier is a useless sitting duck! the entire u.s. navy is useless! o.k.? that’s a fact.

secondly, all of their satellites are useless. o.k.? and, that’s just the beginning. the screws will get tighter and tighter.

the united states’ economy depends upon asian money. they need to borrow 850 billion dollars a year just to keep going! and they’re not….the asians are tired of paying for a country that does nothing but attack people and create excuses for war.

a lot of people are wondering why a picture of me smiling beside david rockefeller appeared on the internet. and, they’re asking “how did i get to meet him”. well, he was here in japan for what was supposed to be a top-secret visit. however, if he’s in japan, he’s on my turf. and it was pretty naïve of him to think that i wouldn’t know that he was here and i wouldn’t know where he was.

now, i could have had him brought to me all tied up with a vibrator up his ass… just like what happened to that reporter for the [____?___] newspaper in april when he got too close to these people.

but, i don’t think torture is a very polite way of talking to people, nor is it very productive. friendly conversation is always the best.

now, the interview may be a little bit disappointing in the sense that a guy like that is not going to go ahead and just tell you “oh, yes, i am the head of the secret government and i sacrifice children and i’m planning to turn everyone into sheep.” it’s just not going to happen.

you have to look for subtle signals. it’s the rules of the game. i was a corporate journalist for twenty years and i know that if you just ask those questions, they’ll shut down the interview and you’ll get nowhere.

so, if i said, “why did you spread hiv?” and “why did you create sars?” he’d say to his bodyguard, “get this fruit-loop out of the room!” that’s how it works.

so i had to operate within his matrix. and i hate going there. i hate that place. but i had to pretend that i was a friendly journalist. and i had to sneak in the stuff i had to ask because, unfortunately… you know, it would have been great if i could have hit him with this stuff. but, it wasn’t that circumstance.

he was accompanied by the president or chairman of a fancy pr company and a guy who looked like a heavy-duty mossad type who could probably kill me in 3 seconds if it ever came to that.

i came with a camera-man and myself. now you may wonder, when you look at this interview, why i was not more aggressive. the reason is simple: years of experience have taught me that you get nowhere with an aggressive interview. i would get lies and hear his evasions and spiels, and the interview would be cut short.

what i have learned over the years is that you’ve got to appear like their friend when you interview them or you’re not going to get good information. so, i’m now going to show you the segments of this interview. and, then, i’m going to de-construct them for you so that you can know what i think this man is really saying.

the rockfeller interview

pr person: [in background] …you will then want to get into the world situation…i would think the state of the world… the possibility of conflict, and so on…you’d dismiss these.. you know, in terms of whether there is going to be another war, and all that.

rockefeller: yes, and i’ll dismiss….

pr person…you know, dismiss in the sense that…and if he asks you if you’re running the world, i think you’d dismiss that as well…

rockefeller: (laughs) i think we can dismiss that before we start…(laughs)

fulford: alright, so let me start. i know i’ve read quotes from you before… and also from your memoir where you have said that you would like to see the formation of a world government. what sort of vision do you have, you know, for humanity to stop war and get its act together?

rockefeller: well, i’m afraid i have to start with what you recall. i don’t recall that i have said… i and don’t think that i really feel that we need a world government. we need governments of the world that work together and collaborate. but, i can’t imagine that there would be any likelihood or even that it would be desirable to have a single government elected by the people of the world.

so, i think that what you’ve heard has misrepresented my feelings.

fulford: ok.

fulford commentary

(so the first question where he says “i don’t want a government of the world elected by the people of the world.” ok…that’s the key! that little...sort of wiggle thing there. he likes a secret government of the world, is my guess, not one actually elected by the people of the world. ok? that is the key to understanding this.

and, he is denying the quote that everyone has heard of him that has come from his own memoires. so, that’s his official face. i don’t want world government, but only if it’s elected by the people.)

back to interview

fulford: there is a quote when you go to wikipedia or google of david rockefeller saying that.

rockefeller: what i have told you is my own feeling.

fulford: well, you’re the man! [laughter] now, the other thing is…people are worried about the situation with iran and some kind of wider conflict emerging from that. what do you think is going to happen there? what is your view about the tensions between iran and the united states right now?

rockefeller: well, i think that the first thing is that iran itself is a problem. but its relationship with its neighbors, probably from the point of view of the united states, is the thing that we would be most concerned about because there are such different points of view in the area and the possibilities of conflict between the nations within the area is, certainly, what is of concern to our country.

fulford: now, here in asia, people say that the current structure of world institutions is not fair. they say that european people account for 17% of the world population and 40% of gdp, but that they control 4 of the 5 permanent security council seats.

asians are 65% of the world population and 4… [?] % of the gdp so they think that some sort of better representation is needed. what is your view about this?

rockefeller: i think that it’s an issue that understandably and legitimately is raised by the nations with a smaller percentage. when the united nations was created back…right after world war ii, the world situation was a totally different one and the influence of different powers was very different.

therefore, i think that it is understandable that those nations with large populations that feel they are under-represented have a point. and i feel that this should be addressed. i don’t think it’s something that, to me, is immediately a serious problem. but i do think that it is something that should be taken up in the united nations over time. some redistribution of voting power within the united nations structure seems likely and probably appropriate.

fulford commentary

(now, he is saying that iran is causing trouble with its neighbors. and i’m not aware of any such evidence. ok? it sounds to me like he’s just trying to find an excuse to attack iran.

now, on the united nations thing. well, basically, he’s saying, you know…. “someday, but not now.” and his whole attitude is like it is really his decision. and it’s not. ok?

the asians are tired of waiting. they’re not going to wait another forever. time has run out. this is what the asian secret society is telling me. it’s that enough is enough. it’s…we both live on the same planet – we both get rights to decide how it’s run. they are tired of european domination of the planet.

they want to share stewardship of the planet earth. and the asians want peace. they are tired of westerners causing wars. they want world peace. that’s what they want. and they want a more fair world structure. and i don’t see any reason why that cannot be done immediately.)

back to interview

fulford: also, it’s kind of difficult for me to ask this. but, these days conspiracy theories are running rampant on the internet and i thought you could, metaphorically speaking, take the bull by the horns and let me ask you about what these people are saying….

first of all, they say that you are the secret ruler of the world. um, what is your response to that?

rockefeller: well, in the first place, you’re not the first person who has raised this issue. there have been people ever since i’ve had any kind of position in the world who have accused me of being the ruler of the world.

i have to say, i think, for the large part, i’d have to describe them as crack-pots. i mean it makes no sense whatsoever. and it isn’t true and won’t be true and to raise it as a serious issue seems, to me, to be irresponsible.

fulford commentary

(you see that’s what happens. when you ask a question directly like that…ok. that’s the sort of answer you’re going to get. “are you the secret ruler of the world?” just say, “well, no.” ok? so, later you’ll see why you have to take a more indirect route to get the same response in a different way. so, for now, if you ask the man directly, he’s going to deny everything. that’s why we have to be a little bit more sneaky, as we shall see…)

back to interview

fulford: and, what about the candidate, ron paul, who is talking about bringing the power of the federal reserve back to the u.s. government, you know, under presidential control or the control of the congress?

rockefeller: i haven’t read about that, if that’s an issue…

pr man: he’s one of the republican…

fulford: he’s a republican candidate and that’s what he’s publicly calling for.

rockefeller: i would not look upon that as one of the great issues that needs to be addressed at this time.

fulford commentary

(when i asked about ron paul, you’ve got to look at his face and see the look…”what!” (grimacing) you know, “is this true?” why haven’t you dealt with this?

it’s clear that he is so far removed from what is happening that he doesn’t even know that ron paul exists or is about to take the fed back. that’s how far above the clouds this man thinks he is, or is insulated by his coterie. the source of his power is under threat and they don’t even tell him! anyway, it’s the look on his face that tells you the true story.)

back to interview

fulford: what do you think the great issues are?

rockefeller: running our own country better. and having our own country play a more balanced and effective role in the world.

fulford: ok. and, what’s wrong now with the way it’s running? the u.s. government?

rockefeller: you mean…wrong with our country?

fulford: yes.

rockefeller: i think that one of the things that is needed is the fact that i don’t think enough people in high positions in our country accept the importance of our world role with sufficient gravity.

in other words, i think there is a tendency, because of politics and getting elected, to stress local issues. and, of course, they are important but i would like to see more of the leaders of our country spend more time traveling, for one thing. getting to know the world and studying history.

to me, one of the sad things about our country is that our leadership, to a greater extent than i would like, is more concerned about very domestic issues than they are about our relations with the world.

fulford commentary

(in this particular case, i have to agree. there is a joke going around the world: what do you call someone who speaks three languages? trilingual. what do you call someone who speaks two languages? bilingual. and, what do you call someone who speaks one language? american.

you guys are going to be left behind if you don’t, sort of, take a look at the world. ok? the world is passing you by and you’re going to become irrelevant unless you keep up.

you’re going to lose to the people who speak 2 or 3 languages and know 2 or 3 cultures.

that’s a warning. he’s right on the mark that time, i’m afraid to say. you guys are not the center of the world anymore. and, the sooner you figure that out the better it is for everybody.)

back to interview

fulford: what about the plunging dollar and the rising euro? and the… apparently, the asian countries have been unloading their u.s. treasury holdings. are you worried about the economic situation now?

rockefeller: i think that has to be related to the problems within our own country. and i was reading about in the paper today…that there is grave concern about what our role should be, how it should be handled, and how we should better manage our own domestic economy. and i think this is becoming a serious issue that is going to have to be addressed by any politicians who wish to be re-elected. that they have to see that the issue of our economy and what influences it is better understood and more successfully addressed.

fulford commentary
(he looked quite worried when he talked about the collapsing dollar. and there is a good reason for that. the face value of all the dollars in the world is ten times greater than the value of the u.s. economy.

the asian countries are saying we’re not going to use your dollars any more if you keep going around killing people. and, we’re not going to support an army that is attacking us. so this is your weak spot. this is your achilles heal. and it is being attacked by the asians. and that is no coincidence.)

back to interview
fulford: you’ll be meeting the emperor. is that correct?

rockefeller: yes, i’m looking forward to that.

fulford: what will you be talking about?

rockefeller: that, to a large extent, will be his decision. my impression is that emperors tend to lead conversations. i have had the good fortune to have had the privilege of meeting him a number of times before.

i would hope that we would have the chance to talk a little bit about his views of the world. and how he feels our country is relating to japan. but, also, our family has had quite close relations with japan for many years…and with the royal family. so my suspicion and my hope is that we might also talk about those relationships in the past, and where they might go in the future.

fulford: japanese newspapers have talked about this weekend…about imminent fundamental change in u.s.-japan security relations. have you heard anything about this?

rockefeller: i don’t think so… and it’s not an issue that i would think the emperor would want to discuss with me. i mean, i cannot imagine that would be one of the things we would talk about. i don’t think that it would be appropriate.

fulford: your nephew, jay… he studied in japan, didn’t he?

rockefeller: he spent three years here.

fulford: did you have good relations with him? some japanese people are telling me that you had some sort of fight. again, i don’t know….

rockefeller: i have no idea what they’re talking about. we have very close, loving family relations.

fulford: again, this is just what people have told me… i don’t know… i’m just trying to confirm it.

rockefeller: i don’t think they knew what they were talking about.

fulford: which issue do you think is more important now… the war on terror or global warming?

rockefeller: they are two major issues, both of which have to be addressed. they are very separate and i think that the way we deal with them…there has to be different steps taken that… they’re just very separate issues. but both are important…of major importance.

fulford commentary
(now, here is where the indirect message gets you much better results. ok?

now, why, you might ask yourself, does his family have close relations with the imperial family of japan? what reason could there be for that?

the emperor doesn’t go around meeting everybody. in fact, he hardly meets anybody, except very, very senior government officials. so, he’s basically there revealing that he’s arriving as the secret representative of the secret government of the united states to talk with the secret government of japan.

so, here you have it. here is where he is admitting what he is denying earlier. that’s the only explanation i can think of. you know, emperors don’t go around meeting retired bankers. and, they don’t go summoning them… especially in the middle of a crisis in u.s. – japan security relations. now,do they? so, you know, it doesn’t make sense except if you think of him as the secret ruler of the united states. and you think of the emperor as the secret ruler of japan. that’s the only reason it makes sense for them to meet at this time.

so, everything that you read in the newspapers about u.s.-japan relations, eventually, is a result, i guess, of this secret meeting. so, he was summoned because something has changed. the japanese government is no longer following orders. and that’s also because of the asian secret society. so, you know, these guys are no joke.)

back to interview
fulford: now, if you had to say one message to the world, what would it be?

rockefeller: i think that the best hope for peace and prosperity in the world is greater cooperation among nations which, in turn, will be produced if both our governments and the peoples of our countries travel more and get to know each other better.

~end of interview~

[moderator: we appreciate seth's diligence in putting this transcript up. however, being that it is so long, maybe a transcript on a word file would be better and then create an attachment for it]

[Mozart]

[editor's note: the entire interview was too long, so i had to split it into two parts.]
~end of interview~
fulford commentary

(when i saw rockefellers’ photograph in the paper, i had a very, very bizarre experience. i have never experienced something like this before. but, it appeared like somehow my great-grandfather, g.t.fulford, was channeled to me. i know, it’s like…you know, what?!

well, he was saying that he would tell david that he’s not got long to live and he’s got a chance here to change his ways. and it is the best approach. if you can get this man to change his mind, so many other things would change. but, if you think i’m crazy…maybe i am.

but william lyon mackenzie king, a man who was prime minister of canada for twenty-one years, that’s the longest prime minister in the commonwealth and longer than any u.s. president, ok? he regularly consulted with the ghost of my great-grandfather. and, for some reason, seventy years after the fact, to this day the contents of what that ghost told him have not been made public. they’re not available on the transcripts of his diary that are on the web. everything that the ghost supposedly told him has been deleted.

so, something’s weird there. but, maybe, we’ll dismiss all that talk, anyway, because it doesn’t matter. the point is… and this is the point i want to make … it’s that the sabbatean atheists, satanists who are trying to artificially create the apocalypse, who are trying to recreate their old babylonian empire have been exposed. their game is up. it’s over. they’re not going to accomplish it. they’re not going to start world war iii. they’re lucky if they are even going to stay alive.

so, i’ m telling you…you members of the council of foreign relations and bilderbergs, and all those families…the harrimans, the schiffs, the bush’s, the rockefellers, the rothschilds, the walkers, etc. you are just a bunch of old-fashioned aristocrats and you’ve got armed peasants at your doorstep. you are in grave danger, extremely grave danger!

and i am offering you a chance to actually make your biblical prophecies come true. it’s easy and it’s not crazy. it’s scientifically provable. all they’ve got to do is stop war, devote all the money that is used toward war to ending poverty, saving the environment, saving the planet. and…and here is the clincher: it is now technically possible to give people life spans of hundreds of years and eventually eternal life on this earth. and that’s hard science, that’s not fantasy. and, it is also possible to make people radically more intelligent. ok?

don’t you see? eternal life and super powers…available on this earth! now, if that doesn’t qualify for something that could be called “end of times”, i don’t know what is.

and, if these people want to build a new ziggurat or temple, well go for it! just do it somewhere where you’ve got clear property rights! you know, there’s nothing in the bible that says that it has to be in the same place. so you can carry out your damn prophecies, and save the planet, and give people eternal life. or, you can be killed!

think about it. this is real. this is not some crazy guy. do the hard research. look at the science. look at the facts. this is true.

to the people in the u.s. army, i tell you this: if those, you know, members of your elite slave-ruling class who you’ve just become dimly aware of recently, do not take this suggestion, i strongly recommend that the provost-martial arrest them.

and, if you dismantle their so-called “charitable funds” and their trust funds, which is just a disguised form of landed aristocracy, you’ll find that there will be more than $100,000 for every man, woman and child in america! there are a lot of families that could use that kind of money.

now, of course, if they all go and spend it right away it will be useless. but, if they spend it carefully, their futures will be much better. so, if these ruling families do not listen and change their hearts, arrest them. and, i know that’s happening. i know their day is finished.

to you in the military, i say this: why are you murdering innocent women and children? do you realize that you are going to be seen in history as the same as the nazi generals who did not stand up to hitler? and that you will face war crimes trials unless you do the right thing?…which the american people want.

and, your army is useless. ok? think about it! the chinese submarines are popping up behind your aircraft carriers. that means they are sitting ducks. your entire fleet of aircraft carriers is useless junk now.

your satellites are all going to be blown out of the sky. your dollar is going to be trashed.

and, most important of all, you don’t have any enemies anyway. nobody wants to fight you. nobody wants war. the planet is tired of war. you don’t need to invent new wars just to keep yourself employed.

go terra-form mars! go save hungry kids in africa! go fix up eco-systems! you know, there are a lot better things to do with your organization than kill innocent iraqis, and you know it. your people know it. you want to go back to kennedy’s america. and that’s something you should do. it’s the decent thing. it’s the right thing. you know. just follow your common sense.

we have now the scientific ability to give people permanent life on this earth. super powers. we can end poverty, stop environmental destruction. do you want to do that… or do you want to keep on with endless war?

and, to you conspiracy people: i have a word to say to you guys, too. ok? it’s easy to criticize someone for spilling a glass of milk. it’s much harder to put the milk back in the glass. so, it’s fine to criticize and it’s great, but you’ve got to spend a little more energy and time coming up with alternatives.

if you really want to get the power, you have to come up with a better plan…not just criticize the plan that’s going on now. however, basically i salute you and i’ll let you know that the people of the world are on your side, and the horrible, nasty, american government that you have now is about to fall. its days are finished and humanity is about to wake up from a long and terrible nightmare.

we’re going to see the most wonderful things. the dawn is coming. but, you american people need to shake off that horrendous leadership that has sneakily asserted itself above you for the past hundred years. remember that. they killed kennedy. they killed martin luther king. and they’re trying to kill you.

but if you do have to fight them, do not fight hired guards who have families to support. that’s a waste of time, and you’ll lose. concentrate on assassinating those top people. do not waste your time with hired thugs.

but, hopefully, and most wisely of all, is peaceful protest. soft power is the strongest of all. that’s the essence of oriental wisdom.

anyway, these guys are finished. that much is for sure. you will be free soon.

thank you.

[editor's note: the entire interview was transcribed from the fulford interviews that are available on you tube by one of our own members of this forum's transcript team, who wanted to remain anonymous...so a big shout-out to her excellent transcription work; and it was edited by mozart, but the original bolding, itallics, and underlining were not saved when i posted it, sheesh.]

[lauralisa]

and you have also noticed that their submarines, the chinese submarines, have popped up right behind u.s. aircraft carriers in the middle of military exercises. what that means is that every single u.s. aircraft carrier is a useless sitting duck! the entire u.s. navy is useless! o.k.? that’s a fact.


chinese navy confronted uss kitty hawk

wednesday, january 16, 2008 9:07 am

by: newsmax staff article

a chinese attack submarine and destroyer confronted the u.s. carrier kitty hawk and its battle group in the taiwan strait, sparking a tense 28-hour standoff that brought both sides to a battle-ready position.

the american ships were heading to japan following china’s sudden cancellation of a scheduled thanksgiving port call in hong kong when they encountered the chinese vessels, according to the navy times, which cited a report in a chinese-language newspaper in taiwan.

the times reported that the encounter caused the carrier group “to halt and ready for battle, as the chinese vessels also stopped amid the 28-hour confrontation.”

the encounter ended without incident, however, and the u.s. ships continued on to japan. the two chinese vessels were also headed for a port call in japan.

the chinese destroyer, shenzhen, is armed with anti-ship missiles, while the song-class attack sub is equipped with anti-ship missiles and a variety of torpedoes.

china has expressed “grave concern” to the u.s. over the kitty hawk’s transit through the taiwan strait, the times notes. beijing claims taiwan is chinese territory.

but admiral timothy keating, head of the u.s. pacific command, told reporters tuesday: “we don’t need china’s permission to go through the taiwan strait. we will exercise our free right of passage whenever and wherever we choose.”

shortly before the kitty hawk battle group was denied entry to hong kong, china had refused safe harbor for two u.s. navy minesweepers seeking refuge from a storm.

as newsmax has reported, some u.s. politicians have rung alarm bells about china's increased military spending and technological revamping of its armed forces.

china’s military budget had an average annual growth rate of nearly 16 percent from 1994 to 2004, and china's reported 2006 military budget is about $35 billion, according to beijing.

but pentagon sources have said these numbers fail to demonstrate the true scope of the growth, and the real 2006 figure could be as much as $105 billion.

in recent years china has upgraded its nuclear-tipped intercontinental ballistic missiles; bought state-of-the-art warships, fighter planes and submarines from russia; and begun development of a number of so-called "asymmetrical" weapons, including informational warfare and anti-satellite systems.

in november, japanese prime minister yasuo fukuda warned that china’s continuing military buildup could eventually pose a “major threat” if the chinese government decides to exercise its power.


© 2008 newsmax. all rights reserved.

[Mozart]

hey fulford fans,


here's a brief blurb of the latest about fulford...


http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford.html


...from project camelot. i cannot wait to read the transcript! i truly do hope that the events as described by fulford--favorable to everyone in the world, even the dammn elites, but not exclusively favorable for the dammmn elites--unfold in graceful, peaceful ways for us in the future.


look'n forward to them transcripts! and a big thank you to project camelot for flying out to japan to interview mr. fulford; and a big thank you to the transcript team (most of whom are members of the divine cosmos forum) for doing the transcript work.


~seth

[nem338nem]

i follow his blog almost daily by copying and pasting it to babl fish.
something is definitely taking place behind the scenes at many levels. as david once said in my reading "for there are many players and multiple layers"

[Mozart]

i follow his blog almost daily by copying and pasting it to babl fish.



i've clicked on his blog, only to find the darn thing written in japanese, sheesh. is there some secret english link or do you fluently read japanese?

[nem338nem]

afterwards, when you get to his web site in either english or japanese go to the upper left hand corner (if you have the page in english click on "blog") it is located second from the top. then copy the text, often there is no text just square shapes, then open another screen in google and type in babal fish, then paste it and click translate. it will not come out in perfect english but you will get the jist of it.
good luck and may the force (your horse) be with you!

[dariusdjc]

babel taken from the tower of babylon, back when everyone spoke one language. babel fish is an interpreter. so it should translate jepanese to english as best as it can. you can also use google's translate this webpage. hope this helps you out. thanks!

[SuperManny]

i've clicked on his blog, only to find the darn thing written in japanese, sheesh. is there some secret english link or do you fluently read japanese?mozart, you need to use the babel fish or google translating service. you can either copy and paste it, or translate the whole page in one shot.

[Mozart]

"nm" = no message

[bobby]

there is a new fulford interview on youtube dated 2/5/2008.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgo8zodgcdq

[SuperManny]

thanks, bobby, i didn't know there was a new one out.
i love the quote from fulford, "you could take any taxi driver, and give him bush's job, and he could do it just as well; probably better!"

now if only he wasn't so flaky!:rolleyes:

[Mozart]

...if it is really a new one or a portion of a previous one.


the one that i had edited had been split into portions and posted on you tube, thus creating an appearance of several separate fulford interviews, so can anyone please check this "2/5/08" one to see if it is, indeed, a new one and not a portion of a previous one.


if it is a new one, can someone from the transcript team please transcribe it? this is a formal request for a transcript from it...if it is a new interview. and, if one does a transcript of it, please send it to me and i'll gladly edit it, make it readable and post it here in this forum.

[nem338nem]

has anyone recieved any more info on when the project caamelot interview will be up for viewing?

[bobby]

ben fulford will be on rense.com tonight for an update on the financial crisis. he is scheduled as the second guess and will be on for about an hour.

[bobby]

...if it is really a new one or a portion of a previous one.


the one that i had edited had been split into portions and posted on you tube, thus creating an appearance of several separate fulford interviews, so can anyone please check this "2/5/08" one to see if it is, indeed, a new one and not a portion of a previous one.


if it is a new one, can someone from the transcript team please transcribe it? this is a formal request for a transcript from it...if it is a new interview. and, if one does a transcript of it, please send it to me and i'll gladly edit it, make it readable and post it here in this forum.

this interview was done by a young guy that i have not seen before. the interview was done in person and i believe in japan. it is not a rense or an alex jones interview. i don't know his name.

[vjvousden]

since benj. fulford has been putting out updates about every month does any one know if there is any news? i'm not seeing evidence of any change in plans. still getting heavily sprayed by jets, banks as greedy as ever, our food supply is still poisoned with things a body isn't meant to ingest, etc. and b*sh is still in office! just wondering if anyone has heard anything...
looking for that light at the end of the tunnel, it's nearly here!
blessings all,
valarie

[fiz]

i just read the latest essay by benjamin fulford, posted today on rense:

http://www.rense.com/general81/arma.htm

frankly, it's hard for me to get a sense of what benjamin is really trying to communicate in this essay, and leads me to wonder if his individual objectivity has been "consumed" by the grandiosity of his vision to the point of unreality.

his broad, overall suggestions to me in this essay seem idealistically vague at best, and dangerously unreal at worst. what he is envisioning seems to me to amount to a self-styled mythical product of his own wishful thinking, detached from current events in the here and now to the point of absurdity.

i hate to have such a skeptical reaction like this. what do others who are following fulford think of this latest essay?

chris

[SuperManny]

i hate to have such a skeptical reaction like this. what do others who are following fulford think of this latest essay?
chrisunfortunately i tend to agree, because none of his threats have materialized as promised. i think he may be suffering from delusions of grandeur, and that's very sad because i must say he got my hopes up. there is just no sign that he has any 'bite' to go with his 'bark'.

there was a rumor that gw bush came home to his texas ranch one night and found his favorite horse's severed head on the bed of the master bedroom. some people hypothesized that this may be the work of fulford's people, but later evidence suggested it was someone else entirely.
{email for link}

[vjvousden]

ok, i just read this latest essay and last night watched 5 of the youtube videos posted last month (feb) and have to say he seems to have fallen into mental illness to me. he is speaking out of one side of his mouth like a stroke or head injury victim. he speaks in disconnected or random thoughts. and this latest call for armagedon (excuse me?!) is verging on delusional to me. weren't world wars i and ii supposed to make humanity be done with war forever? the end of all wars? did it work? don't think so.

so, i hate to say it but i had hopes that what he was saying were possible but now have to step back from it all and see it as the rantings of a man who is not in touch with reality. too bad. it initially sounded so good.

i will continue to find the truths i seek inside my own intuition. i trust that more than anything at this point.
love to all,
valarie

[dariusdjc]

yeah i'm afraid the guy has lost his marbles. he may be living in fantasy land. how does one go from talking about having the backing of a secret asian society to force a peaceful transition or illuminati elimination to what he just wrote about creating a war to unite people? in my opinion he has lost all his credibility now. looks like project camelot may have wasted their time interviewing the guy in february.

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i should refrain from reading things like this before going to bed, luckily my dog doesn't bother, and we're all going to die sometimes anyway;)

would appreciate if david would comment once more on this since it seems that things have changed in the world and the thread concerning this fulford material which is totally new for me. i must admit that i have a hard time digesting this material and all the same the extremely strong synchronicities happening to me in connection with orion that i've been asking about in another thread tells me that i'm drawn into this.

i don't get this 3d/4d transition when it comes to what actually is going to happen to those stopple who ascend and the sts:ones that stay. i have read through a lot of material and this remains unclear. are pple ascending going to live in another dimension totally? like deceased spirits or what:confused:

i'm also rejected by the concept that some pple should be "lizards" in disguise:cool: walking around on earth. i have actually met pple that would fit into that description, but i prefer to see them as humans that have had harsh upbringings and because of that are acting out from their "reptilebrain" that we all have but are able to control most of the time.

i'm a scorpio trying to maintain some commonsence having been brainwashed by a psychopath guru 25 years ago. that trauma is now activated because i like this homepage very much, but am repelled by some of the therories and fear that i finally will discover that this was a another dead-end. i've been doing a lot of work with my shadow but have never met anyone that i could talk with, since ordinary psychotherapists are not taking the spiritual realm into consideration and most mediumistic pple don't have the psychological education and understanding.

this site has been a wonderful synthesis of both, with the scientific and political perspective added to it. it has so far been a healingexperience for me and i fully understand that i'm here by free will but all the same some of
the things i read here freaks me out. saturn is now transiting my 12.th pisces house of hidden enmies, self-undoing but also the house of spirituality; the ghosts are trying to scare me once again.........

my energylevel has increased considerably the latest week, but when i was under the spell of the spiritual vampire i had somehow the same feeling...at first, the law of opposites is really at work and i hope for this negative feeling to be balanced in the same way as the other experiences i go through at the moment.......

....i could of course have started a new thread but at the same time, this is what happened so i think there's some meaning to it......

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.. i mean of course "like the spirits of the deceased"...

good morning!

[ulli]

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obviously you are strong enough to stomach such a reality or your inquisitive scorpio mind wouldn't have brought you this far. to be here and studying fulford's claims is no accident. and as soon as you overcome your fears your inner universe will reveal to you the plans from the other side that will help neutralize the dark agenda. saturn in the 12th will see to that.

i think fulford is going through his own paradigm shift right now, and so he's showing some signs of emotional instability. given his circumstances i think it is understandable. maybe he worked for the sts side for a long time, to have seen so much of their workings. now he wants to switch, and is blowing the whistle so as to pay back karma.
i would think he is in a scarier place than most of us.
i just hope for his sake that as soon as he's done he can let go of the whole media game and settle somewhere quietly.
and remember the big picture...that everything is perfect. always has been and always will be.

ulli

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hi ulli

thanks for the quick reply...i'll have to tread this path very cautiously....thanks to my libra moon-neptuneconjunction and my trixtermercury i have a totally other side than the plutonic one.........i'm going to sing, play and joke just like david says somewhere, to secure i don't fall into the rabbithole while studying the things revealed here.

liliane

[bobby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca1yghsjiqi

new video on youtube. could someone translate and transcribe the videos?

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hi!

well after two days on paradisland in the sole company of my shorthaired collie passo, listening to the soaring wawes, watching the swans swim by, digging deep into the sand finding marvelous signs, i'm ready to confront any issue here in cyberspace, and so i just watched the videos with fulford.

after the incidents in tibet the latest days, with the perspective that china has been opressing the tibetnas for decades, i have a hard time accepting fulford saying that "the asians" all want peace.:confused:

for the rest i can imagine there's much truth to his story.

if i have misunderstood something due to my neptune mercurysquare transit and sun-square neptune solarreturn which also reflects my total envolvment here in divinecosmos, please inform me.

liliane

[transiten]

hi again

...also remember the persecution of falun gongmembers in china..

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[MarkM]

i would hazard a guess that the vast majority of chinese do not support the totalitarian system that governs/controls them, and do want peace and freedom for the people...such rule is enforced by extreme intimidation, brutal tactics and fear; remember what happened when the students rose up at tiananmen square? it is thought perhaps thousands died.

[sofia3]

the project camelot video is up and running now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkl3mzg6kzm): this is the first one of 3. i think most geniuses do appear flaky. anyway, part 3 especially shows you where his heart is. i agree he's not the styled-image of a politician or public speaker; but he has the heart to leap hurdles and come out a winner... or die trying, it seems.
for anyone who needs it, click here (http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford.html) for his project camelot page.
sofia3

[AmelieJolie]

i watched the interview with project camelot tonight.

a lot of what he says about politics and stuff is way out of my depth, however, i particularly liked part 3 of this interview.

benjamin fulford really is a remarkable man. i do hope he gets the position he is trying for. what the world really needs right now are more brave, open-hearted people just like him.

i think its time we really need to listen to what people like him have to say, instead of just ignoring it as crazy "conspiracy". we really need to open our minds if our desire is to find and begin to see a truly balanced picture of things and what is really going on in our world.
we need to find out for ourselves if we really want to know the truth.

[transiten]

hi mark

yes of course, you're right. by the way, the tactic to enroll/offer riches or threaten/kill opponents is also used in latinamerica f.i.

ameliejolie, you're right about fulfords courage too, "civilcourage" as we say in sweden, risking his own life to tell the truth.

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[Mozart]

http://www.rense.com/general81/whycth.htm


in all of his posts that he's been putting out, he keeps on alluding to the "big event", as quoted below:


to set all this in motion we need a big event to act as a kind of historical marker or turning point.


i think that this "big event" will be the asians finally check-mating the "supranational intellectual elites and bankers" (rockyfella's term) to trigger the big changes that favor the people, rather than the elites. in terms of the japanese game of go, the asians are making "atari" moves, which are the moves that position one's pieces to capture an opponent; a capture move cannot be premature, as the positioning needs to happen first. the positioning moves are happening now.


the final capture move, "vose", will be the one that would be the "big event" that would be the "turning point" from which the elites will finally lose their power/control over the world events and that the asian secret society (ass, lol) will finally be able to implement their plan to revive the whole world in favor of the people.


given the time cycles of russian physics, given david's own very positive vibes about our futures, given the positive messages of big, future changes from other websites and, given the election cycles of the usa, the current events do point to some big, turning-point changes coming in the fall of 2008 and early 2009. i expect the changes to commence after the conclusion of the 2008 olympics.


but, then again, i may be drinking too much rose-colored kool-aid as a way of denial about the current events of our world...

[transiten]

hello!

after reading through the posts, especially the ones from fiz, i dare once more recommend a book. it is not a channeling book, it's the story of a woman raised by a dogmatic emotionally disturbed priest and an opressed mother. she started a spiritual quest and describes all the pitfalls on her path.

the book ends with two lists; one of how to detect the manipulative powerseeking false gurus and prophets and the other how to detect the good ones, setting you free.

[please email for name and book] i think is a valuable book for everyone engaged in spiritual seeking. i've ben brainwashed myself by a false meditationguru and reading especially this thread of course evoke all kind of paranoic feelings and thoughts. there is also a thread "fooled again", where boomer adresses this issue.

i cannot see any difference btw recommending this book than to post a link to videos and excerpts from books on the internet. [moderator does not believe we have released anything like this, but email chris if you have one you can point out to me. thanks] david also talks about all the false prophets and doomsdayteachings. this book helped me a lot when i could not be understood by any living person although many pple were helping me and supporting me in other ways.

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[Mozart]

alrighty!


the benjamin fulford interview transcripts are in! as of today! a big shout-out to the transcript team for getting it done (and, quite frankly, i have no idea who did these transcripts!)!


here's transcript #2...

http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_2.html


...and #3...


http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_3.html



wow. i just love what he has to say. maybe it's my rose-flavored/colored kool aid, but sense that what he's say'n is true and real. i had been saying privately and in my posting in this site and other sites that this year's olympics would be the turning point around which the nwo will finally fall and that real, huge changes would happen after that.


i was just amazed that he had picked out the time of the olympics of this year to be the pivot point. i had also been talking about that time as a pivot point, but i had nothing to go on with this -- just a gut sense that the chinese would not want to upset the cart, rock the boat until the olympics starts...then, finally, they can start to make the big moves.


i can't wait for that to happen. just can't wait. maybe my sense of this year, 2008 of being a great one, was not so far off, afterall? either that or too much desperate false-hope kool aid...


here's to hoping that it all works out for all of us.

[Art]

....i had been saying privately and in my posting in this site and other sites that this year's olympics would be the turning point around which the nwo will finally fall and that real, huge changes would happen after that.


i was just amazed that he had picked out the time of the olympics of this year to be the pivot point. i had also been talking about that time as a pivot point, but i had nothing to go on with this -- just a gut sense that the chinese would not want to upset the cart, rock the boat until the olympics starts...then, finally, they can start to make the big moves.


i can't wait for that to happen. just can't wait. maybe my sense of this year, 2008 of being a great one, was not so far off, afterall? either that or too much desperate false-hope kool aid...


here's to hoping that it all works out for all of us.

:eek:

mozart -

here is a post of mine from 07-30-2007 on a thread titled "7th of august ? anybody else feel this ?" :


i've always been hesitant to relay "messages" or "visions", for my abilities at recall are poor.

however, interestingly enough, about 9 weeks ago, i did have a "message" of something happening in august - but i believe it was next year...

another message that i recently got (about 2 weeks ago), was "some of you are going soon".

again, my recall is poor, so don't take anything i write too seriously. i've tried to understand and recall these messages, but haven't put too much stock in them as being accurate or even true...

i remember how strongly i felt when i received this message, so to see this really gives me goosebumps... unfortunately i don't recall any details other than what i wrote last july... i'll be reading the transcripts for sure. i'm interested in what is being said about this and how it will resonate upon reading...

art

[AmelieJolie]

lets just image/ ordain and pray that benjamin fulford gets the position he is aiming for.

we sure do need something right now in this world.

[SuperManny]

disclaimer: i want to be clear that this post is mostly unsubstantiated rumor, but i believe it to be true.
for more info please feel free to pm or email me for some websites covering this.

patrick fitzgerald (who successfully prosecuted scooter libby) is said to be in charge of investigating george bush and other corrupt governmental peoples. bush got scared and immediately put a contract out on him for his life.

allegedly benjamin fulford's chinese secret society was sent to protect him because his life was in grave danger. he is said to be the most heavily guarded man ever on this planet! let's hope he can do some good!

[Mozart]

hey fulford fans,

i have just finished reading through the entire series of the fulford links that i have included below; it's not all the fulford-related urls, but it's the bulk of the most-important ones that have been released on the net.

like many of you, i have gone through cycles of elation about this information, to despondency over the apparent lack of action of real change, to a more-balanced state of hoping and trusting that things will work out in our (the people) favor, afterall.

our david w takes him very seriously, as do many other people. i've done reading about the red and green societies and they really are there in the historical books in china's history. insider intel indicate that they are for real. project camelot senses fulford's integrity, his seriousness of his intent to really bring an end to the madness being wrought by the elites and to bring about an intensive 3-year campaign to end wars, wipe out poverty, to stabilize our economies, to empower people world-wide, to help our environment and many more wonderful things that we, as a people of earth, are perfectly capable of doing...now that we have our internet that connects us all.

i've had a strong sense and have been verbally telling people that this year in august, would be the pivotal point which the balance of power finally tips in our (the people of the world, some 83% of the population who are not under the control of the illoonynaughties); the olympics may be the tipping point in some way. until then, i sense that the asian secret society don't really want to yet rock the boat, as they'd want to pull off the olympics with the best face that they can put out to the world, so i seriously doubt that any major public moves would happen prior to the start of the olympics. but, afterwards...let's hope that we see some really big-a.s.s.ed (asian secret society...a.s.s., <g>) start in kicking some a.s.s. on the elites.

imagine the dazzling possibilities of a world that is free from war, free from severe economic difficulties, free from the continued environmental destruction and with the break-out of the long-suppressed free-energy devices that can power the entire world, the re-distribution of long-held funds stolen from so many of us and the power of true hope that can immediately lift the dark cloud of fear/despair from the world and heal us in so many ways! all this can happen in 3 or 4 short years leading up to 2012. would that be something?!

i would think that our creator would want our world to have a least 3 or 4 years of awesome, paradigm-shifting, butt-shrinking, mind-blowing, heart-opening, jaw-dropping, dna-healing years immediately prior to the 2012 big shift, don't cha think? i think so!


with time being chopped down so quickly in the last few years in a fibonacci sequencing to the point which the equivalent of a century of change would be happening in a matter of seconds...this would be best-created with a world that's rapidly healing, empowering, uplifting, etc, rather than still being violently suppressed--dont' you think? i think so. a positive, uplifting world would vastly increase the numbers of people who'd be ready for the ascension, yes? it's up to us on the surface of our earth to really make that happen. so, let's do it!

how about visualizing that kind of future? how about thanking our creator in advance for that kind of wonderful future? how about internalizing your energy field so that you can take off like a bat out of hell and hit the ground running bringing light into all the corners of our homes, our communities, our nations, our world?

think about it: 83% of the world is against the illuminati, who control only 17% of the world now...and in that 17% who are still under control by the elites, the vast majority are against their policies of wars and crap like that. don't you think that the positive and increasing collective power of will of more than 83% of the planet can eventually overwhelm the negative and decreasing power of control by the elites? i think so.

i really do think that this awesome, wonderful world is just around the corner, folks...the start of it just may be 5 short months away. are you ready for it? do you want it? if so, please, put your energy towards that, use your power of creative visualization to make it happen, use the law of attraction to bring that awesome probable future to our lives. make it so!

please copy/paste this and pass it along to your e-mail buddies.

ok, here's the urls:


henry makow's initial rense article about fulford:

http://www.rense.com/general77/chinsec.htm

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fulford's brief history of the illuminati

http://www.rense.com/general77/histor.htm

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the first benjamin fulford interview in rense:

http://www.rense.com/general77/fulf.htm

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the second benjamin fulford interview in rense:

http://www.rense.com/general77/ful2.htm

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letters to rockefeller from g. t. fulford

http://www.rense.com/general79/benjk.htm

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the january, 2008 rense conversation with fulford:

http://www.rense.com/general80/flf.htm

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the ultimatum, part 1
http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_1.html

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the ultimatim, part 2

http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_2.html

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the ultimatim, part 3
http://www.projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_interview_transcript_3.html

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the 3 basic rules of the asian secret society:

1) protect the weak

2) fight against injustice

3) help each other

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hello again

back from stockholm i've read a thread about the ascenscion from 3d to 4d, and that the rapture should mean that we will "die" from our 3d bodies and ascend in to 4d........

..........i would prefer to stay in my 3dbody to experience the joy to see the scenario described above come true here on earth..............

.........i actually don't resonate with the idea that some choosen ones just would "disappear".......i want to be part of the positive changes here on earth finally...

liliane

[Mozart]

benjamin fulford has penned a new one:

http://www.rense.com/general81/chinese.htm

here's some info on mohism from wiki...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/mohism

but the "christ" story does not just show up in mohism, it also shows up in many other cultures around the world in many ages, most of which have absurdly-similar details that allegedly happened with the "christ" story.

plus, here's a url of fulford's latest post on his website, about a transcript of the japanese gov't trying to talk about 911 in official capacity, to wit:

http://benjaminfulford.com/transcript%20of%20japanese%20parliamentary%20discu ssion%20of%20911.html

[fiz]

thanks again mo -- for your steady, ongoing optimism, and your careful tracking of all things fulford.

i remain open to the possibility that fulford is getting the hang of stepping into those new shoes of his (public presenter of a possible reality scenario of major importance), and that he is perhaps a bit wobbly at times when it comes to presenting his evolving worldview in print.

now is the time for us to watch and wait with growing precision and care, and see how this possible scenario develops, or not, on the stage of world events.

i'm all for the storyline fulford continues to present, forgiving his occasional cognitive hiccup, if you will, and remaining open to his basic premise being accurate.

in short: hammer time is a-happenin' --- with david wilcock and others bustin fresh moves all over the freakin' place!

.....next stop: the pudding, and the proof that's in it.

asian benign secret lo-fi middle-class-dwelling reluctant warriors of the first magnitude --- come on down!!


fiz

[Mozart]

hi fulford fans,


i have been in e-mail contact with bill, of the project camelot site, and he gave me permission to post a message from benjamin fulford, along with bill's own comments -- the entire quote is bill's own words and the fulford message is in the last paragraph, to wit:



we do not know any details whatsoever about the secret societies. we don’t know any names, locations, numbers or plans. we’re still in touch with fulford and have a good line to him. he is guarded in what he says but told us that he believes things are changing in response to the secret societies’ stated position (think of a supertanker starting to turn – my analogy, no-one else’s).


we’ll know fairly soon... e.g. whether or not there’s a strike on iran before the end of this presidency. if there is, fulford says the secret societies will take swift action against certain individuals. who they are, what the timescale would be, and what action is taken, we have absolutely no idea and it’s likely he doesn’t know either. they will certainly keep their intentions tightly compartmentalized.

if anyone’s reading this message for whom it was not intended... please pass this on.

we introduced one important person to fulford a short while ago regarding a specific project, and he clearly confirmed in writing, very seriously, that if any harm came to this person then the secret societies would take action. (we passed the message on.) so this is all real and current.

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hello all "fulfords"

back from stockholm and my second studyday in mediumship i pop into this thread and read it all through...
fiz and mark, i can't enough explain how i resonate with your posts! i don't have to add anything. vancouver island and nanaimo have been a recurring synchronicity-theme for many years in my life...and now i find it again in fiz post that i didn't discover until today...

have to walk my dog, don't know whether to start a new thread on the synchronicities or tell them here...this theme is my deepest felt issue; the wonderful potentiality to create a world without powerty, wars, ecological destruction, but living in a universe of equal rights between men and women, different races, free energy, spiritually connected.........

liliane

[fiz]

hey lillane --

glad to hear that you feel such resonance with this thread! i hope you'll share whatever you're moved to -- either on this thread, or another one. i'd suggest that if you would like to reflect with others about the meaning of your personal experience, perhaps starting a new thread would be a good option. if you want to focus mostly on fulford and the meaning of his message, this thread is probably as good a place for that as any.

looking forward to reading what you have to share....

fiz

[Mozart]

the quote below is from the latest from project camelot in the "what's new" link for "4 may":

http://www.projectcamelot.org/whats_new.html



• we had the opportunity to ask benjamin for a quick status report on the current state of affairs regarding whether there had been any change as a direct result of the public stand he took speaking out on behalf of the asian secret society about the world situation. in answer he wrote the following in an email dated today:

for the reaction, you will notice that asian countries have stopped buying us government bonds. the us secret government has retaliated by artificially raising food and oil prices.

we are in the middle of world war 3. the us and israel have been taken over by nazis and the rest of the world is trying to take them down.

the reason the society has not started assassinations yet is that the nazis in the bush/clinton administration want any excuse to start all out world war. however, if starvation begins in earnest, there will be assassinations.

benjamin fulford

[weboy78]

http://benjaminfulford.com/thenew.html

have you read this ?

the new cambrian explosion



we are on the verge of something that will be bigger than the cambrian explosion.

for 3 billion years, individual life-forms were so small they could only be seen with a microscope. then, in a geological eye-blink, a vast cornucopia of macroscopic life appeared. a similar phase-transition is imminent.

we now possess a set of tools that gives us god-like power. with that power comes god-like moral responsibility. we have, or will soon have: the ability to manipulate our genes at will, access to virtually unlimited free energy and real-time full-spectrum communications abilities. this will allow for the birth of a plethora of communities that will take on the aspects of super-beings. we know these now as governments, cultures, societies, corporations, religions, individuals etc. however, with the new technology, that is about to change.

the new communications tools mean democracy can be made to function in real-time; creating communal super-brains. the new genetic tools mean some people will begin to manipulate their own genes in order to become immortal super-beings. the unlimited energy supplies will give us super-powers.

despite efforts by some power-holders to stop this wave of change, it is inevitable. it cannot be stopped, only channeled.

that means it is of the utmost urgency for humanity to gather all its collective wisdom in order to make the change a benevolent one. we will need to fashion a base for this transformation. it must be like a perfect diamond, reflecting from every angle the desires and wishes of all creatures, great and small.

i believe the very core of this diamond can be fashioned out one moral principle of the greatest purity. it is what i call the sudra principle.

the sudra were the original aboriginal inhabitants of india. when the aryan invaders came, part of the sudra’s folk knowledge was taken and incorporated into the belief system of the invaders, the rest was destroyed. the sudra were then forbidden from possessing knowledge. they punished any sudra who learned to read and write by cutting his or her tongue out. then, for thousands of years, these people toiled as slaves, imprisoned by their ignorance. ..

[LightEye]

dear friends,

benjamin is back. re-member though that all is well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inv0cvh6kzc

benjamin fulford reports from tokyo on a mysterious plasma weapon seen prior to the niigata earthquake in july, 2007 and red, white and blue lights seen prior to the recent earthquake in china. both quakes targeted nuclear facilities...coincidence?

and this link;

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4712/ufo_strategic_defense_and_h_a_a_r_p_/
ufo strategic defense and h.a.a.r.p.

this h.a.a.r.p. device has some fantastic potential and some catastrophic consequences if not fully understood. star wars funding has a new title... haarp

be well, be love.

david

[harmonyart]

hi all,

here's a link to ben fulford's latests on rense.com

http://www.rense.com/general82/dawn.htm

interesting, to say the least..

gwen

[darth_rothscum]

after the incidents in tibet the latest days, with the perspective that china has been opressing the tibetnas for decades, i have a hard time accepting fulford saying that "the asians" all want peace.:confused:

for the rest i can imagine there's much truth to his story.

liliane

yeah, you're on the right track liliane--i love fulford too, but there are mistakes he makes (which is okay, we're all human). one of his bigger mistakes is assuming that the dalai lama is a cia agent. pfffff. puhlese

i think the dalai lama is used by the cia (probably unbeknowst to him), but to assume that he is some kind of weasel or traitor is totally wrong. fulford also said that china has never invaded anyone -- by this i think he means anyone "foreign." also not true--in 1967, the chinese ran a pr campaign in new delhi with the slogan "hindi-chini bhai-bhai" (indians, chinese, brothers, brothers) and a week later attacked india in a border war which was over in like 2 weeks (chinese won). now territory is always a dicey thing, but no one has the right to initiate military hostilities. (you can also use the excuse that that was done by the mao regime -- i.e. pre-asian secret society -- but i highly doubt that even if the communists are overthrown, the "good-guys" would go back to pre-1967 borders).

fulford also claims that the chinese government has a benign foreign policy. muhuahahahah. after the u.s., they're probably the 2nd government in the world to set up military bases in "questionable countries."

so, i want fulford to be right. i want his 100,000 white-ninjas to succeed (why does that make me giggle); but i'm really not in la-la land the way he seems to be about the seedier side of asian society.

still, ... best of luck to him.

[darth_rothscum]

hi all,

here's a link to ben fulford's latests on rense.com

http://www.rense.com/general82/dawn.htm

interesting, to say the least..

gwen

hmmmmmmm. yeah, very interesting. i'm really surprised to see the eu on board. fulford admitted (i think in the projectcamelot interview) that the top of the pyramid housed the rothschild's--not the rockefeller's. if the rothschild's (i.e. the eu) are agreeing to play ball with the rest of the world to take down the neo-con clique ... then i don't know what to think. the sts group is bifurcated into the rockefeller-run americas and the rothchild-run everything else. i wouldn't trust either of those two.

[fiz]

i'm not holding my breath on fulford's ongoing claims either, but i try to keep an open mind.

interestingly, this morning's scan of rense offered this article about cold fusion being given a public demonstration in japan:

http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html

"now, esteemed physics professor yoshiaki arata of osaka university in japan claims to have made the first successful demonstration of cold fusion. last thursday, may 22, arata and his colleague yue-chang zhang of shianghai jiotong university presented the cold fusion demonstration to 60 onlookers, including other physicists, as well as reporters from six major newspapers and two tv studios. if arata and zhang´s demonstration is real, it could lead to a future of new, clean, and cheap energy generation."

what i find potentially significant about this article is that a public demonstration was made, first off (a sign of fulford's suggestion that free-energy sources will soon be openly revealed and no longer suppressed?), and, secondly, that the source of the technology comes from fulford's home town (japan).

who knows -- but at this point, i'd say just about anything is possible.

[PriestOfLight]

from project camelot's site

"i know that there’s a planned war between the us and china scheduled for late 2008. this is also geopolitical and not concerned with black ops as such. these were both just events that i got to hear about in passing. i have no detailed information about them."

i am not trying to be negative, but i feel, though, that there is an air of a knight coming to save us and puts the us in a codependent victim role.

something doesn't feel right as a whole. i am optimistic (i am not sure that i know how to be otherwise).

[dazcox]

i'll be late to that war, could you reschedule it for later?

[Mozart]

greetings, fulford fans,


here's what david had to say in his latest blog...


http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=390&itemid=70


...in which he was supportive of fulford's efforts to alert the masses, as well as to warn/threaten the elites, to wit:



fulford’s perspective

i do feel benjamin fulford’s perspective is worth considering on matters like this as well. he has repeatedly stated that a majority of other large countries in the world are working together to weaken the american economy.

the american faction seems to be doing this with the gas prices, but as was said, this is an attempt to stave off other losses. those losses appear to be caused by a multi-faceted attack against the strength of the dollar by foreign elements with the safety and security of the world in mind.

this event sequence is allegedly being stage-managed to run just long enough to jump-start a slumbering populace into awareness of the hidden forces running their country, so they may be identified and rooted out. obviously, it hurts everyone else in the process, worldwide, so there is a willing sacrifice going on in order to provoke an awakening if this is true.

<snip>

[moderator: by clicking on the link, you can read the rest]

[Mozart]

ok, fulford fans,


here's benjamin fulford's latest, a very interesting "apology" from fulford to rockefeller, to wit:

http://www.rense.com/general82/dwfe.htm


time is getting close to the big cascades of change that will sweep our world. in david's latest blog -- the one covering the self-organizing economy one -- he pegs the time of the big changes to happen prior to this coming election and i agree with him. i've been eyeballing this coming october as the pivotal month, or even as early as september.


i really do look forward to these changes. i can see obama taking the reigns of the presidency right away right after this election...if it happens at all...rather than waiting until jan 20th to finally be the next president.

[SuperManny]

hi fulford fans,

there's another rense interview out. this took place on july 23, 2008, and i just found the link. he's predicting something to happen on 8/8/08.

here is the link to part 1 of 4, and the other parts are linked from there. enjoy! :)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=benjamin+fulford+july+23%2c+2008&sitesearch#

[MindOverEverything]

i was happy to hear that japan, china and india are all developing water powered cars. i remember wondering several years ago why the heck don’t japanese auto makers just develop a water powered car or an electric car with a “free” energy device. maybe they already were planning how to do it without getting killed by the psychotic global bullies.

here’s a guy in sri lanka who invented a water powered motor: http://peswiki.com/index.php/directory:water_fueled_car_-_sri_lanka

as for "something" happening on 8/8 -- it sounded like he was bluffing, but maybe that was because he truly doesn't know what the c.s.s. is planning or if they are really planning anything for tomorrow.

[johnasmodeus]

well, it's 8-8-8. c'mon china! let's see what you've got planned already!

[Anatta11:11]

maybe they just really think the olympics will change the worlds view of them.

too bad smog doesn't listen to dictators threats.

[billybobbutterball]

hi fulford fans,

there's another rense interview out. this took place on july 23, 2008, and i just found the link. he's predicting something to happen on 8/8/08.

here is the link to part 1 of 4, and the other parts are linked from there. enjoy! :)
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=benjamin+fulford+july+23%2c+2008&sitesearch#

i don't know how i missed this the first time around. interesting monologue (poor jeff struggled to get in a word now and then) fulford did state that whatever might be set in motion at this auspicious date would likely be sub rosa and thus not immediately apparent to the outside world.

i doubt that the good-guy asiatics were behind it but we do have the super-duper crop circled mentioned elsewhere on the forum. and i was surprised that benjamin didn't mention the coming of the opening ceremonies of the olympics that took place on that auspices date. (or i missed it)

oddly enough fulford in bare audio seems more charismatic than in video interviews. ( he has some particular mannerisms and facial tics that can distract from his message. ) i like the guy -- his heart seems to be in the right place -- but he does verbally paint somewhat incredible pie-in-the-sky visions which he believes could come about following a hyopothetical re-moldeling of the "elite" heart/agenda.

best, etc. billybobbutterball

[fiz]

yes billy, i too enjoyed fulford's latest audio dialogue far more than some of his video's and, at times, unclear and eccentric-sounding essays (in particular, the one on "armageddon therapy").

it occured to me after listening to these latest dialogues that the wobbly and inconsistent nature of his various means of communication may be the result of his having been recently inducted into his current role, and perhaps recently initiated into the worldview that he is proposing.

in other words, having this role thrust upon him by the forces of history has probably resulted in an understandable lack of coordination and a resulting poor rhetorical style. this, rather than the man being of dubious psychological character -- or so i would like to think. i really would, because his message stands largely alone, it seems to me, in terms of its unique combination of both relevance and immediacy on a planetary scale. to consider that we may in fact be living through a crucial and pivotal turning in global power dynamics -- one that could very well yield pronounced and positive widespread effects -- this is something that has, before fulford came online, seemed fantastical and largely unlikely to me.

if fulford proves to be an accurate messanger of things to come, his exaggerations will be inconsequential.

[Mozart]

http://www.rense.com/general82/888.htm


4 billion people saw the opening ceremonies in this current olympics!


i have received the transcript of the latest rense.com fulford interview, so i'm editing this as you read this. many thanks to vicky, a new member of our awesome transcription team. we are so good that we can even transcribe et messages.<g>


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[Enkidu]

the illuminati is an outdated hate system of figureheads that are going to lose all power shortly.

time spent researching evil and spreading the information, thus propagating fear and inadvertantly doing their work for them, could be spent holding light and assisting the upcoming shift... in my opinion.

continue spiraling ever upwards,
austin

[ej_ellee]

nice to hear from mr fulford again.

few months ago i actually started to study japanese, just so i could read his blog. i can now write "dog eats sushi" in japanese :)

[MindOverEverything]

well, it looks like the "tyrants" decided to call fulford's bluff and start a little war in russia/georgia. it's pretty obvious that they're desperate, but still...if ever there was a time to send a few key assassins in order to send a message to these warmongers, now is the time.

[Mozart]

http://www.infowars.com/


scroll down a slight bit and you'll see his pic and link on the right side of the webpage.


take a listen to it and record it, if you can, and send the recorded section to me, please. i've asked our awesome transcription team to jump on it, so a transcript of it may come out soon, though i will have to send it to infowars and give them first opportunity to post it on their website.


it's my understanding that he has some really pertinent information about the coming bankruptcy of the us government happening on sept 30th, which just so happens to be the end of the current fiscal year.


so please do listen to it and give a report of what he says here in this thread. thanks.

[SuperManny]

i just found it on youtube......
here's part 1 of 4, don't listen if you scare easy:eek:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvqpkahedgm&feature=related
or here;
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=benjamin+fulford+august+2008&emb=0#

in summation, he says it all starts when the u s government goes bankrupt on sept. 30 2008, then they'll hire blackwater to come in and impose martial law everywhere, and put chertoff in charge and start wwiii... my, my, it sure doesn't look good, remember to choose peace!:)

[transiten]

hello all

i do sympathise with fulfords energetic wish to solve our problems...but i have problems with his perspective that there seem to be only good guys in asia and that all evil comes from the west, i actually feel sick after listening to the whole interview...

no buddist peace of mind here and is it that easy that it's just about the power of these trillionaires and all americans will be millionaires???

comments please!

liliane the transit

[MindOverEverything]

i liked the offer to pay the blackwater guys double their salary to not impose martial law. the thing is...would the head of blackwater even go to china to discuss that offer? probably not.

as for the bankruptcy thing...this whole financial system is already bankrupt. fulford's been "wrong" on a lot of things in the past, so...let's see what happens after september 30th.

[bobby]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av3teewsdiu

fulford in youtube for 911 truth tokyo.

[meganarline]

the american people must
grab their freedom now
by benjamin fulford
9-29-8

the united states is about to go bankrupt. what happens next depends on the american people. we could either have world war 3 accompanied by genocide or world peace followed by an era of unprecedented prosperity.

the situation in the us depends largely on whether the white hats in the pentagon and the alphabet soup of government agencies take down the financial oligarchs. the important thing for them to realize is that the financial system you have lived in was nothing but a giant mirage designed to blind the american people from reality. now that the financial system is collapsing, you will realize that you still have your factories, your military might, your land, your know-how and your people. all you need is to put your best minds at work to come up with a new system controlled by the people and not by a secret inter-married clan of satan worshippers. you will realize that you have been enslaved in your own land by a parasitical financial class. these people got their hands on the dollar printing machine back in 1913. they then used a combination of bribes, murder and propaganda to slowly, slowly capture the once free people of america.


see the rest of the article here.

http://http://www.rense.com/general83/grab.htm

[kac527]

thanks for this article megan, the link isn't working properly for some reason but i found the article on rense...
benjamin fulford says it's up to us... and i know how important it is for us to not live in fear but what exactly can we as individuals do to prevent the possibilty of this horrific outcome from happening and move toward the positive? i feel a sense of urgency like never before.

your thoughts?

in love,
kelly

[meganarline]

what do we do? well to quote david:


economic changes are on everyone’s mind. many are afraid. don’t be. this is all part of a process we’re going through to heal the planet from negative power groups.

i think benjamin fulford is just using those really harsh words to try and wake up those that are still sleeping. sometimes that's what it takes.

sorry the link doesn't work. not sure why.

megan

[PriestOfLight]

the times will come when we will all have a chance to play a part in this for the betterment of the world. our parts may be much different as our realm of influence is only in a sphere of the people and places we go. but, if you add each small sphere up, it will grow. so do the small things and it will grow and snowball. and this will be enough to tip things in the favor of the light. even remaining in a positive light and spreading that light is enough. remain not in fear, but love.

light and love

paul

[snowflower]

dear kelly, and friends

my feeling about all of this is what do we be rather than what do we do. for me it seems so important right now possibly more than ever before to stay with our inner truth of love, compassion, wisdom....watch our thoughts every moment and anytime we go into fear, worry, unknowing, past... then consciously choose and bring ourselves back into alignment with our higher truth. as we choose what we will align with the other kind of doing will come more easily and naturally as an extension of being. trust yourself trust that you will know what to do and allow it to come from being.

don't forget how powerful and beautiful and you are. all of our thoughts and feelings make a difference even if we are not seeing it in the physical world. i know we are all working on the ascension on many levels. i am absolutely certain i came for these times and know that i am assisting in ways that are not commonly perceived in this 3d. this might sound crazy but my inner knowing tells me that this is actually a time of celebration the times i've been waiting for no matter what seems to be happening in the external circumstances.

in celebration
much love to you all

snowflower

[Sgt Baker]

i read this article on rense, and i do think that fulford is a cool guy, but i'm not going to get all upset and worried because the article. i read somewhere on this site that it is illogical to fear the future, because it hasn't happened yet, and nobody knows what is going to happen. right now at this very moment everything is fine. we have food to eat, water to drink, and food in the grocery stores for when we are hungry later. if all goes completely downhill and the worst happens, we'll deal with it then.

[transiten]

hi s:t baker

if we can foresee the future, we can change it.

liliane the transit

[vjvousden]

i so want to be a part of making this world a better place! but i'm very disturbed by some news i just heard on the radio about local police receiving shipments of riot gear and training to use it because they are expecting riots after this election! also there is the news in the army times about the 1st brigade army sending troops back to the states with the purpose of homeland security and they will be training to be in the streets of major cities to use against us. i'm a pretty optimistic person but i have to say this has me very on edge right now. there is speculation that some of this bail-out money will be used to support this police state. i hope to hell this is wrong! i want to help my country and bring it's people up but not at the cost of dodging tazers and bullets!

it seems ben fulford was right on with the financial crisis. but i to know if he's saying we should not pass this bail out bill or we should. i can see problems with either answer. what are we the people supposed to do to stop this train wreck?

peace out, ya'll,
valarie

[Verm]

i so want to be a part of making this world a better place! but i'm very disturbed by some news i just heard on the radio about local police receiving shipments of riot gear and training to use it because they are expecting riots after this election! also there is the news in the army times about the 1st brigade army sending troops back to the states with the purpose of homeland security and they will be training to be in the streets of major cities to use against us. i'm a pretty optimistic person but i have to say this has me very on edge right now. there is speculation that some of this bail-out money will be used to support this police state. i hope to hell this is wrong! i want to help my country and bring it's people up but not at the cost of dodging tazers and bullets!

it seems ben fulford was right on with the financial crisis. but i to know if he's saying we should not pass this bail out bill or we should. i can see problems with either answer. what are we the people supposed to do to stop this train wreck?

peace out, ya'll,
valarie

hit it head on, or... get off the tracks and let it crash on its own

[winterspring]

well, no matter what ben fulford says about the bailout...the bailout does not make sense. it basically is a band-aid solution to a hemorrhaging wound. it doesn't provide a solution to the problem that got us here, gives unprecedented power to the fed, and is basically going to destroy the dollar.

this bailout bill is just another deception by the part of the us gov't.
on a positive note, it is encouraging to see that there are still a few voices of reason left in our congress, who pointed out the madness of an irresponsible gov't. these few courageous people speak out the truth going against the majority tide. they are also lightworkers.

let us continue doing our share by doing what we can. every little bit counts.

[PriestOfLight]

hit it head on, or... get off the tracks and let it crash on its own

at this point, it's like removing a band aid. you can either take it off slowly and painfully, or quick with little or no pain. let it crash. the sooner it does, the sooner we get it all over with and move to a higher more purposeful life.

if you read tbrnew.org, the site that dw talks about, the russians are releasing the information they received from the little dance they did in ossetia. i believe, though many might not agree, that the russians were trying years ago to help when kennedy was the president. kennedy knew of the secret societies (he has a huge speach regarding them) and was trying to put an end to them with the aid of the russians (i know that is a stretch, but i just feel that it's somewhere in this direction for some reason).

i can feel the energy rising. as it does, things will surfice. we need to be ready when they do and not live in fear.


in light and love

paul

[Art]

at this point, it's like removing a band aid. you can either take it off slowly and painfully, or quick with little or no pain. let it crash. the sooner it does, the sooner we get it all over with and move to a higher more purposeful life.

well put priest! :d

i was contemplating the possibilities of this situation, etc., yesterday, and when i was able to move beyond "fear" and into "curiosity" i realized that a crash or "difficulties in the system" are the perfect catalyst for the changes we so dearly want and our planet needs. ;)

while i can't say i look forward to anything along the lines of suffering and difficulty, i think we can all agree that before the new world is born the old world must die.

greed, corruption, and oppression are the ways of the past

sharing, truth, compassion and love are the ways of the future

getting there may be one heck of a ride, but i'm ready to board. :d

art

[snowflower]

does anyone understand why obama would be supporting the bailout especially the second draft...to me it seems even worse than the first bail out proposal.

[vjvousden]

hmmm...reading so much material. maybe i should just let it go. i think i've settled into a place (for now) that says whatever comes will come not because we did something or didn't do something but because it's the time for this to happen and one way or another, this is where we are headed. i don't really know what i can "do" in a scenario like that but maybe i'm not meant to "do" anything. maybe it's time for me to let go and trust. i have some trouble with that but maybe that is my lesson. if i can find and stay in a place of peace, i can send out metta/love to all, to hold a candle in the darkest wilderness. maybe that's all i'm meant to "do" anyway! :confused:

thanks to all of you who answered.
god/divine source bless us all!
valarie

[MindOverEverything]

maybe he was worried that the bush administration would declare martial law if it wasn't passed, and he'd never get a chance to be elected.

or maybe he's a bad guy...

or maybe he just didn't know any better

or maybe it's something else entirely.


does anyone understand why obama would be supporting the bailout especially the second draft...to me it seems even worse than the first bail out proposal.

[winterspring]

does anyone understand why obama would be supporting the bailout especially the second draft...to me it seems even worse than the first bail out proposal.

i have been watching the bill debates in the house, and it seems that the only people standing up for the people were ron paul, kucinich, burgess, and kaptur.

you are right..the second draft is worse than the first one. it doesn't make sense that they would reject the first draft, and then approve one worse than before. oh the magic of the special interest groups...

if going by obama's actions... he really doesn't stand apart from the rest of the politicians in dc. it is kind of hard to imagine that this man would act differently once he gains access to the oval office.

i do really hope he is "playing" the political game to indeed gain access to the oval office, and once he does, he has a positive impact on the world like david believes. that would indeed be a miracle, and that is something that we desperately need right now.

[Dihlon]

you are right..the second draft is worse than the first one. it doesn't make sense that they would reject the first draft, and then approve one worse than before. oh the magic of the special interest groups...


you have to remember just who makes up this congress. all of these people, more or less, have served under the current administration since it's selection. now, having seen how they have operated under this administration, is it really unfathomable to believe that they all wanted their cut of this last grab for cash? they all raised a stink on the first bill because they had to ask, "what's in it for me?" they sent it down in defeat and passed the next one once they had sweetened the pot. i'd be interested to see just where this pork and bribe bill is divided up and to who. that would tell you a great deal about who is who.

[Ladan]

rockefeller's ninja goes public with illuminati 'truth' about 'god'
by benjamin fulford

http://rense.com/general84/trs.htm

[vjvousden]

thanks to all you guys who put on the latest updates and news from ben fulford. i get all excited everytime there is something new out. they seem so timely. i'm don't have access to those sites and b.b.'s site is in japanesse (!).
so thank you for your contribution to our education! :)

in the spirit of love,
valarie

[Mozart]

hi fulford fans,


i've decided to try to translate some of benjamin fulford's blog material and bring it onto this discussion board for the benefit of you wonderful people out there. i'll start with the blog dated 11/21/2008.


i propose that each of you try to enter a translated version of his blog each day after the 11/21 date, if possible. fulford frequently has really good stuff in his blog.


please put the date of the blog prominently in the subject heading.


benjamin's site is: http://benjaminfulford.com/indexenglish.html


the translation site is: http://babelfish.yahoo.com/?fr=avbbf-us


sometimes the blog entries are too big for the babelfish to translate, so what i do is to carefully split the blog post in accord to the paragraphs in it and set up two babelfish tabs in my computer and post the separated blog entries one at a time onto the discussion forum post. works well this way.


the fulford material is below in bolded. please always bold the fulford material quoted.


negotiation with the power of the european-american darkness and brics side such as china and russia is not advanced presently well. it is found that from the fact that has appointed the people where [obama] new president causes current financial crisis to the cabinet minister of economic financial charge, after all as for power of the american darkness it is the intention of denying actually up to last end. when this way is, it becomes impossible to solve the american economic crisis harmoniously. america presently has received “the drop of dollar”, but this, is kind of something which is lifting the painkiller to the late cancer patient. the midst when the american national assembly presently has taken the day off of 2 months, [henrikishinjiya] and paw luzon financial affairs minister of state visit china often and “the mechanism of new world order make and” negotiate for the sake of. however in framework of the former international organization, the kind of stance which adopts china a little completely is meaningless. china many countries of the world and makes relationship directly in the aspect of circulation of money and economy presently including africa and the south america etc. because of that china by way of washington specially (imf and worldwide bank), many countries and the necessity to have the relationship of economy is not. the nation which depends on america: unless either israel, pakistan and ukraine etc keep changing the conduct per tongue completely, with america it means to collapse.

other than many international enterprises of america are purchased finally in the chinese capital, there is no method america being saved. the chinese government has decided that already general motors and chrysler are purchased. and that is no more than a start of shopping. but when really china purchases those enterprises, the american rebuilding becomes possible. because gm and the like becomes chinese ones, it becomes because of china and america to strengthen that. regrettable japan of the expectation which can lead/read the world as usual is brain death state. very wretched thing is done the japanese bank presently prints dollar, sends to america. this way the japanese colony control is continued, but also the power which at below water it tries to be able to finish that is moving. while being close, the japanese bank probably will leave from rothschild's hand. in any case if anglo-saxon courtesy just does not have the foreign country and relationship as a “civilization person” future in international society, it is ruined difference it is not.

[efields]

thanx so much for the fulford information. he has been an important part of the equation as to what is happening behind the scenes. his information is fascinating to say the least. kudos for bringing it to the table here. very few speak on these matters.

[efields]

and fulfords blog 11/22/2008

in the north pole a-bomb? according to the russian government information sight america being the north pole, atomic explosion is caused. the purpose seems like petroleum excavation. according to that article, as for america unless the american bond of 12,000,000,000,000 dollar which at december 20th becomes expiration is reissued the american nation goes bankrupt. it means being the intention of excavating the mass petroleum which is estimated, that with a-bomb there is the north pole, applying to the mortgage of the debt. there is also the canadian whistle-blowing document as supporting this information. according to this at earthquake detection center of the canadian government, the seismic intensity by a-bomb was detected on november 17th and the 18th. with presumption of this whistle-blower, other than petroleum excavating it means perhaps, it is something in order to reform the north pole pole. if the researcher who detects the seismic intensity even in japan is, we request propriety freedom of information act.

[vjvousden]

thanks so much for the translations. how bizzarre that some media there are saying he (benjamin) committed suicide. hope that isn't a threat that he will be assasinated. not that there aren't a few who wouldn't love to do it.

and did i understand right that david rckflr. has stepped down to be replaced by jay r and bf thinks that's good? why is j.r. good? :confused:

i hope bf will come on for another interview soon to update us here.
blessings,
valarie

[Mozart]

http://www.rense.com/general84/fee.htm


here's the latest fulford article in rense.com about obama's administration and the alleged behind-the-scenes changes.

[Ladan]

benjamin fulford on rense - november 26 2008 (4 parts):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyex-pzvs2u&feature=related

enjoy!

[Ladan]

another optimistic rense interview with benjamin:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyborj5mkte
peace!

[Berry Chastain]

as i listened to this interview, i was cheered by fulfords optimism and flat out astounded by the negativity of jeff rense. this man needs a lot of us sending some light energy to him to get him out of the pit of dispair that he has dug for himself. if i hadn't wanted to listen to ben's comments so intently, i almost turned it of due to jeff's black comments. or is this the shadow self revealing itself through him? hmmm!

i am curious to see what it is that ben alluded to after january 20th. just have to wait and see as he said.

[Bill]

i just listened to the latest broadcast... jeff rense sounds really pessismistic about the possibilities, and even doubtful of what benjamin had to say... does anyone know what rense was talking about re obama and the 'volunteer' corps, and how he is continuing the same game as all administrations?

[Just Be]

before sunrise: a documentary with benjamin fulford

does anyone know when this movie will be coming out?

[transiten]

well jeff rense really sounds depressed and i can tell it also from his "veiled" voice. he needs a big hug from us all.

big hug from transiten. anyone knows how to pass it on? give somebody a big hug as soon as possible. (i long for one myself...)

[tuesday]

(((transiten, http://cosgan.de/images/smilie/liebe/f020.gif )))

also one to mr. rense...

[transiten]

thanks tuesday!

that one also made me laugh!

good morning from transiten

[Berry Chastain]

in regard to obamas volunteer service, i found this excerpt from the transition website.

"on the president-elect's official transition website, change.gov, the "america serves" page now contains the following language [note: the page was changed, removing the explicit "require" language, after the publication of this article. the original is still in the google cache here]:

the obama administration will call on americans to serve in order to meet the nation’s challenges. president-elect obama will expand national service programs like americorps and peace corps and will create a new classroom corps to help teachers in underserved schools, as well as a new health corps, clean energy corps, and veterans corps. obama will call on citizens of all ages to serve america, by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year. obama will encourage retiring americans to serve by improving programs available for individuals over age 55, while at the same time promoting youth programs such as youth build and head start."

doesn't seem very much like volunteerism to me.

[Ladan]

benjamin fulford on rense - february 25 2009:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43gdjixq9y&feature=related
enjoy!

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thanks ladan

they are constantly talking about the crisis in swedish media and the minister of finances says we will never reach the level of standard we had before. i can hardly listen to the news anymore, knowing that they don't know what's really going on.

pple are fired, esp. in the motorindustry and everywhere i look i see pple dressed in dark clothes...

almost feel like i have an obligation to keep my spirits up;) hard thing to do when depression is lurking behind every corner...but it won't get me this time:mad:

think i'll sing a song to sooth the savage beast within...gonna learn and translate "we are the wanderers" from the video alchemikey posted:)

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[PriestOfLight]

i remember finding information from fulford that stated that the children of baal where in control of the us, does anyone remember which video it is from?

love and light

paul

[Mozart]

hi fulford fans,


check out the latest on benjamin fulford's site ...


http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/


... that has this awesome link ...


http://benjaminfulford.com/300.html


... that is the full list of the past and present members of the cotm (comittee of the majority) and he has put them on formal notice, apparently supported by an amazing letter (if not a hoax) written to him from a bunch of "white hat" knights of templar people, of whom have referenced the rumormillnews site, whose owner, rayelan allen, has direct connections to the "white hats" in the knights of templar and who has recently done a block-buster interview with our david wilcock.


exciting times! i hope that the big breakthrough is imminent. we need this now!


let's visualize a big breakthrough. let's send supporting light / energy to the "white hats" to fully support them in their timely work in stopping the elites and forcing them to fully surrender to us, the people of the world.


spread the news amongst your e-mail recipients, if you can.


~seth

[xlsander]

before reading david's great awakening series i had no clue about robert fulford (plus i did not know about rumour mills yet) and to be honest i am very much stunned by this side of the story...wow...i certainly believe in the "golden age" for humanity and the planet gaia and am following each and every info on fulford's website and tbrnews constantly and am amazed about things seem to shift for the better. i am deeply grateful for everyone involved actively and the ones supporting by sending their love and light to support the cause. everyone counts in this consciousness shift.


god bless us all!

thank you, love and light

alex

[Jetamus]

i like fulford but some of his updates have sounded very iffy.
things like referencing the casper posts and posting obvious photo shopped pictures of a women being carved up.

[Ladan]

this is the most interesting interview so far of bf on rense (4 parts):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouw8ppfw_no&feature=related
enjoy!

[xlsander]

just listened to it thx for posting

well ben's way of presenting his views or "reality" is really positive and he does not participate in any fear mongering which is alaso great

however his credibility seems to be a little too weak to take everything the man sais for his word - i sincerely hope i am wrong:cool:

[PriestOfLight]

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=148480

latest from fullford

love and light

paul



33rd degree freemason promises the illuminati will change for the better

a 33rd degree freemason visiting japan as a representative of the italian illuminati says the secret organization knows it will be losing power. they are very confused and worried about what is going to happen after they lose power, he says. one faction　wants to blackmail the world with destructive weapons. another faction wants to negotiate with people in the “profane” world (ie us unwashed masses). a third faction thinks it is end times and that we must wait for the messiah.

[darth_rothscum]

fulford has a brand new message from the controllers (with his sidekick ;) leo zagami):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqpg-mc1ciq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnntdwdijek

[LindyS]

on benjamin fulford's blog he has been talking about a 33rd degree mason being in his area (japan) in order to drum up sympathy for the illuminati. now benjamin has posted videos of supposedly this same illuminati representative and himself talking about the differences among the groups.

[url=http://benjaminfulford.com/indexenglish.html[/url]

benjamin twitches so much while this italian aristocrat is talking, it almost appears as some sort of signaling. i swear he looks like a yankee 3rd base coach, pulling his ear, making a fist and relaxing, etc.

[LindyS]

oops, sorry you guys i started a new thread on this. i did a keyword search but nothing came up. it may not surprise you to know i'm not a tech genius, so i'll just apologize and let the moderators combine the threads if they think that's best.

[Bill]

who is this guy, leo zagami? first i have heard of him, and he also indicated that obama is a free mason...

federal reserve gone by the end of september? well, not the first place i have heard of this...

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[Jetamus]

i like fulford, but sometimes he says things that suspend my belief.

he has mentioned things like the fed res board being taken down before x date, new monetary systems etc. but to date nothing like that has happened.

either these things are just constantly being delayed or he's getting some dodgy intel.

[billybobbutterball]

hi, bill. leo first came to light on project camelot ...naturally, a lot of controversy concerning his actual role in the scheme of things...i.e., is he, or isn't he, whatever... ???

best billious g aka bbb:)


who is this guy, leo zagami? first i have heard of him, and he also indicated that obama is a free mason...

federal reserve gone by the end of september? well, not the first place i have heard of this...

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[Just Be]

project camelot commentary on leo zagami


it was clear from our meeting with leo that he was energetic, animated, passionate and extremely well-informed about the inner workings of the illuminati and the vatican. but since our interview, a number of events occurred which significantly changed the situation. leo's wife fatma suslu left him, taking with her their son. leo was charged with abuse and was temporarily imprisoned by the norwegian police.

upon his release, he subsequently traveled first to rome and then to the us, where he reported he was now working with the cia and had been subsequently reinstated as the head of the monte carlo lodge. in addition, he claims to have established what he calls "liberty lodge", has a quasi-militia group under his command, and is answering again to the illuminati and the vatican. this is an important change from whistleblower to re-avowed member of the very group he had originally rebelled against, and which had brought him to our and many other people's attention in the first place.

we are saddened by this reversal and are aware of some of the demonic forces which are now dominating his life. we wish to distance ourselves and camelot from him at this time under the present circumstances. soon after arriving in the us he published a series of interviews. at least one of these interviews was so vicious in its tone that we felt obliged to make a public statement of concern (what's new, 19 may) stating that we could no longer support his stance on that and other matters.

[Just Be]

interesting post by another fan of ben fulford on his website




be weary about this video!

fulford’s body language is very disturbing, any one who studies this field would tell immediately. it looks as if fulford is forced to act, at key parts in this video you will see fulford look off to his right hand side to get an ok in part 2, after going over a rehearsed line. he’s hands are restless, he try’s very hard to find a comfortable sitting position and his eyes are not focused or rather he moves his head a lot. i believe either he is doing something he does not wish to do or he knows that all that is being said is a lie. i for one do not trust leo zagami, he did some amazing acting in project camelot interview and it shows well here too. keep an eye on his phony thinking posture with his hand to his chin while he is looking to the lower right, looking at lower right is a thinking position you do unconsciously, looking lower left means remembering, all done unconsciously. amazing! look at how fulford pretends to talk over leo, its sad to see fulford realize that he is under full control of the secret society, and if you look closely leo outs the asian’s when he talks about the illuminati of the west and east, points in fulfords direction. lol!
another detail to look for is when he begins to talk about he’s own ideas and views, which are far more passionate than the scripted stuff.

to see people responding with skepticism is a great sight, i think we all believe to have seen better acting in fox news. does this look a lot like the illuminati saving us from the troubles they got is in the first place, remember they love to play both sides of the same coin.

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i must say i had a most unpleasant feeling watching the video. fulford really looked nervous and zagami just gave me the creeps. i tried at first to not judge by my feelings, but after reading the latest osts i'm inclined to believe ther's some serious problem here.

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[PriestOfLight]

i must say i had a most unpleasant feeling watching the video. fulford really looked nervous and zagami just gave me the creeps. i tried at first to not judge by my feelings, but after reading the latest osts i'm inclined to believe ther's some serious problem here.

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i felt weird about this video also. something just didn't seem right.

love and light

paul

[blitteaur]

i appreciate all that benjamin fulford has had to endure. that recent youtube interview with the 33rd degree italian must have been tough for him. i agree that leo zagami does not look trustworthy. i have a feeling that he is experiencing many kinds of demonic possession and that his personal life must be terrible. david says they know their days are numbered and i hope he is right.

regarding the fed demise, i am for it. they have been sucking the lifeblood out of our country since 1913 through the use of fiat currency and the irs. the worst member bank is the new york federal reserve which is owned mainly by foreign banks. those bankers and rockefellar- jp morgan have leeched off us and the rest of the world long enough. most of our irs withholding taxes are paid to them as interest on the national deficit. they bribe and blackmail politicians to overspend and push for wars and huge amounts of defense spending. they then loan the government money to pay for these idiotic expenditures. the u.s. constitution states that only gold and silver may be used for money. their stooge, woodrow wilson, who ok'd the passage of the phoney federal reserve act of 1913 amendment. later admitted that he felt terrible about doing such a great disservice to his country.

[weboy78]

for me fulford seems nervous, suspicious and seconded/detached from zagami, ben often insists, saying that it's not time for only words but it's time for facts

[Patracia]

when young i used to travel a lot in italy with my family.
i remember my father saying:
the italians are a nation of actors.
the worst of them are on stage.......
(and this was not against the italians, no offense intended...i love that country!...just telling about their prominent ability to 'play-act')

watched the video today, gave me the creeps, too.

did anybody watch his eyes which are at times moving in seemingy different directions, one eye closed, one open?:cool:

[darth_rothscum]

hi gang,

ben fulford's disposition did seem to be a little strange in the video, but he's been that way for about a year now -- the nervous tick, emotional lability (pay attention to what happens to him in the last 5 seconds of the first video i posted), etc. -- but i attribute all that to the fact that there are people out to kill him.

he has a young daughter and i don't think it's too much of a stretch to think that her name has probably come up. remember, he took a blowhorn to the yakuza headquarters and shouted them down in public ... ... no one ... let me repeat ... ... no one in the world has balls like that. time will calm him down. i think we can all help by just sending him some compassion and love.

as for the soft tension between him and zagami: if you notice, leo z. was still trying to play up the part of the illuminati or [rolling eyes] temploro ordo blah blah (whatever they call themselves) [/rolling eyes]. leo wanted some group of elite enlightened beings (i.e. religious leaders from every corner of the world) to participate in some kind of diaglogue to 'bring the light to the masses.' i'm afraid leo still doesn't understand. these guys really do think that they're the ****!!

that's why ben kept interrupting and making the point that the controllers can have any conference they want and issue whatever statements they want, but the bottom line is action. reform the montery system and introduce that fancy technology you hawked from the ancients to the general populace.

[blitteaur]

just thought i would advise that benjamin fulford has posted several blogs lately on youtube regarding the world's competing factions, gold backed currency and even obama. i know david will probably not be happy with their opinion of obama but i have heard of obama having this problem from several other sources. i do feel there are white hats or white knights out there looking out for our benefit. david is the best but he is going to need lots of help from us and the good guys.

[Sully]

i do follow ben's blog. obama has not been revered by him or his faction. i hope obama is the man i think he is. a razors edge he must walk.

kinda reminds me of "the golden child" movie where eddie murphy's character was denounced because he was a former crook from the hood who began doing work with kids.

"it was said a man of un pure origins would be the one to save the golden child and thus the world."

it's really hard to know what is dis-information or not these days. i just stick with my gut and roll along.

i wish what benjamin says is true, about the coming of a new financial system. coupled with the unleashing of the technology which will free us from the economic debt slavery we have lived with for generations. if this will come to fruition many more may be able to graduate to our new level of existence.

peace, love & unity
sully

[Ladan]

benjamin fulford on rense, july 22 (noooot doom and gloom):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46scpfdsctq&feature=channel

enjoy!

[Rebecca]

imo this guy's right up there with d.w. and steven greer . . . sticking his neck out for all of us. here's his latest blog: www.benjaminfulford.com

how western civilization became like the borg of star trek

western civilization has lost its most important asset: the ability to impartially seek the truth, no matter where it might lead. at its peak western civilization used logic and science to blast away at superstition and ignorance. any single person could, by means of evidence and logic, change the way western civilization thought. the result was unprecedented human progress in many spheres leading to such things as the industrial revolution. however, over a hundred years ago a greedy cabal began infiltrating the west’s institutions and distorting science in the name of power lust and greed.

now, the institutions that made the west strong have all been subverted and perverted. scientific journals have been taken over by a cabal of financiers who use a non-transparent process of “peer review” to suppress discovery that is inconvenient to the cabal’s financial interests. at some point science developed “laws” that could not be broken, evidence be damned. science, by its very definition is supposed to be a work in progress based on evidence and facts not “unbreakable laws.”

inventors who break any of these “laws” (such as the so-called second law of thermodynamics) are, if necessary, murdered.

once we have purged these parasites from the collective brain of the west and science is again set free, world civilization will flourish as never before. that day, fortunately for us all, is close.

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[Bobbie]

i apologize if this has been posted before but have just found it myself. it's another look at leo zagami in which sound like rantings of a mad man....an actor indeed. he even is claiming he signed the order for the 911 attacks in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7o7uzxipm&feature=related
this certainly makes me take a step or two back.

[transiten]

well he might have a secret wish to be a stand-up comedian....how the xxxx is it possible that benjamin fulford even considered him a serious person even for a minute????????

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[johnasmodeus]

this whole thing is a lot of bs. look on the "related videos" section to the right and you'll see a video of leo talking with one "princess nakamaru" of japan. this lady may live in japan, but she is certainly not it's princess. the name "nakamaru" doesn't even seem to be a real japanese name: it's a clumsy conglomerate of two common characters: "naka" for "inside" or "inner;" and "maru" for "circle."

"inner circle," get it?

also, names ending in "maru" are usually reserved for boats. princesses usually go by their first names and no self-respecting parent would saddle their child with the japanese equivalent of "u.s.s. christine."

[Happystrings]

oh! good on you for myth-busting. jeez, wish i would have know that before.

still, some of bf's stuff may be real, but hard to know which is, which is not.

[Jetamus]

http://i2.ytimg.com/i/ibtlyaco-s50jtkacxrzkq/1.jpg

classy profile photo :eek:

[Sarahmay]

just my opinions here:

zagami is a liar and a con.

fulford is mentally ill, probably schizophrenic based on his mannerisms and speech pattern.

[swandancer]

i have wondered this myself. even if what he claims is largely true (which i doubt) he seems narcissistic. i would dismiss him completely except that david thinks he is worthy of attention. david has demonstrated his integrity but he has never claimed to be infallible.

[billybobbutterball]

"zagami is a liar and a con." ??

note:

an item on p.c. had some time ago predicted that leo was going to be mentally zapped so as to make him appear a deranged fool. if so, it seems that judging from a recent youtube of his where -- among many other disputable if not outrageous claims --mr. zagami declares himself to be the christ, it seems that whoever is 'they' have succeeded beyond expectations. :eek:

poor guy.

best, hopefully, bill g aka bbb

[MarkM]

in the shadowy and convoluted world of the 'neg elites', there must be multiple and many layered organs of disinfo and red-herring characters who are thrown out there into the spotlight of the 'disclosure' oriented websites and orgs. lower echelon members who are quite possibly mentally and emotionally unstable may be being fed very distorted versions of the 'truth' of what is happening on the inside, and who in some cases may be unwitting dupes who are tasked with muddying the waters of the disclosure movement.

ben fulford, though, does seem to be well placed to provide us with some good intel, and i salute him for his courage and dedication to our collective welfare.

genuine high level insiders with legitimate intelligence as to reverse-engineered 'alien' technology and the machinations of the negs are likely relatively rare, and it would make sense that their whistle-blowing efforts would attract the presence of the lower echelon dupes, let loose into the disclosure initiatives to obfuscate their efforts.

i feel it is important to note that when david involves himself in these things, he is quite likely being extremely careful to distill and correlate info that comes from various sources that proves to have an underlying theme of sameness and resonates with his own intuitive guidance, predicated upon his ideal of service to the evolution and emancipation of mankind. to cite any one individual insider's info doesn't necessarily infer his total support of all the info that that individual espouses. (my personal opinion, only!)

it seems that david's exploration into the whistleblower phenomena is for the purpose of such things as bolstering his case for the galaxy containing a blueprint for human evolution, for dna being a sort of antenna for the human blueprint, and the prevalance of the human pattern throughout the galaxy.

insider testimony regarding the looking glass technology, bifurcated timelines and hyper-dimensional wormhole travel and instantaneous communication goes towards the efforts of david to demonstrate evidence of the reality of the consciousness field, and the precepts of the law of one.

i for one am amazed at the singleness of vision with which david carries out his mission to promote the reality of humanity's higher truth - our inherent and ever present power as co-creators and evolving logos, and how we only need to come together to focus on the reality we would prefer, rather than being invested into the reactive 'horrible fascination' with all things dark and shadowy.

true, david is exploring this field, yet only for the purpose of building the empirical case for the law of one based view of our higher beingness and unlimited potential for life and love. the reality of the pos/neg polarized aspect of third density existence can hardly be ignored by those who wish to help awaken mankind to what is really happening here, yet having some aquaintance with these things invites in the spiritual seeker the chance to make a fully informed choice as to polarization and direction of focus.

my advice to us all is to consider the fact that much of this stuff is truly impenetrable and absolutely rife with disinfo and the highly evolved deception potential of those who have literally eons of practice in the art of control and divisionary tactics.

my guess is that we have absolutely no clue as to the true depths and heritage of these things, and our best bet is to maintain focus on the positive spiritual potential. to engage in the angst implicit in becoming overly involved with the tales and malicious rumors associated with the neg side can only serve to perpetuate humanity's division.

again, these are my opinions only, and not intended to speak for david. mark

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mark

sometimes your language is so eloquent that i 'm not sure i understand the nuances. i understand your conclusion though and also feel i don't want to give my energy to try to figure out whehther zagami is a fraud or not.

what bothers me more is benjamin fulfords involvment. as i understand it david think he is trustable and well-informed. this is what puzzles me, how fulford can take this person seriously and also how strange he behaves himself in this video...

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[mwr1026]

my take is that zagami is dark from the inside out, a cinder scorched in the flames. fulford has a cleaner core and is showing the psychological signs of stress from skirting too close to those flames. this whole interaction between them is weird and suspicious, but mark has it right. it really isn't too important. you do not see more clearly by peering into darkness, but rather by looking into the light.

[Liam]

i feel it is important to note that when david involves himself in these things, he is quite likely being extremely careful to distill and correlate info that comes from various sources that proves to have an underlying theme of sameness and resonates with his own intuitive guidance, predicated upon his ideal of service to the evolution and emancipation of mankind. to cite any one individual insider's info doesn't necessarily infer his total support of all the info that that individual espouses. (my personal opinion, only!)


i really enjoyed your post mark- it was articulate as always, and i agree completely with this paragraph. i'm sure that david is told many things that he doesn't actually share with us as he doesn't feel the information would benefit us. i remember once when he was talking about dan burisch, he suggested that while burisch was a useful and creditable source of information, as well as being sincere, he didn't feel that burisch had been told the whole truth about everything. that was before the zurich conference, and finding out about burisch's support for vaccinations perhaps confirmed david's suspicions. perhaps the same is true of ben fulford- he is sharing plenty of valuable info with us but we can't be sure that his own sources are telling the truth about everything.

[Mozart]

again, these are my opinions only, and not intended to speak for david.

mark




man, mark! such eloquence! wow. nice one and it rings with truth for me!

[Matthew Clark]

hi all,

this is the latest from benjamins blog. it is very interesting and could turn out to be big.

chinese to destroy feds by refusing to honor fraudulent derivatives contracts

the chinese government has told chinese companies they do not have to honor derivates and commodity futures contracts made with western financial institutions.


this is one of the most important of many nails in the coffin for the soon to implode federal reserve board. the chinese have every right to renege on those contracts because they were fraudulent. first of all the feds manipulated the commodities markets to their benefit and to the detriment of the chinese. they also allowed 100 times leverage thus allowing for astronomical ponzi schemes to be set up. furthermore, they almost certainly did not properly explain the risks when they made their deals with the chinese. now that their attempt to rip off the chinese is blowing up in their faces, these financial institutions will implode. this will set off a chain of events that will make the lehman brothers implosion seem like a storm in a tea cup. the total amount of derivates contracts outstanding is now over $5000 trillion or 100 times world gdp. in other words it is just a giant illusion waiting to vanish along with the institutions that peddled it.



well it may not be positive for some, its a great step in the right direction for many others.

your going down guyz!!! :d

[Matthew Clark]

hi all,

on the 8.9.09, benjamin put this on his blog..


then you have russian and german leaders meeting in poland and forcing the us to back off its plan to put missiles there. it is like saying to the us: “eastern europe is no longer your turf.”

today the bbc state...

the decision by the obama administration to drop plans to base an anti-ballistic missile defence system in poland and the czech republic is a huge shift in american foreign and defence policy.

now am i missing something or is there a touch of spin on this story?

europe have said no to obama but according to the bbc, obama changed his mind.

i would be inclined to believe what benjamin said myself!

[goodyear8504]

i just finished listening to the latest fulford interview on rense. in part 4, benjamin says that there will be a false hollywood style et contact with fake aliens this november. very interesting. i have been skeptical as to whether or not disclosure would occur by the end of this year.
now, thanks to fulford's contacts, i have to question the motives of the group behind this organized event. personally, i don't think a fake et contact would be very successful if the goal is to keep control over the masses. suddenly, everybody would want to learn how these 'aliens' got here and our scientists would have to take a closer look at the concepts presented by david and many other brilliant scientists and researchers. you can't disclose the presence of ets without disclosing the existence of their technologies...not for long anyway.
i just don't see how disclosure would benefit the so called power elite. maybe there's something i've overlooked?

[MarkM]

a good question - and what occurs to me is that regardless of speculation as to the providence of whatever manifests in a false flag operation, this would potentially inspire a worldwide jolt of intense fear.

for those who wish to cling to the strings of power and control over humanity and her institutions, the only leverage remaining is the fear gambit. perhaps the gamble is that our net level of fear and accompanying looking to big brother for protection from this alien menace would suffice to allow continued hegemony. after all, fear is our only barrier to allowing events to naturally transpire towards transcending the separation mentality of power and control - which has held sway in this world for ages.

the us vs. them and 'conflict' mindset always has fear of the unknown at it's root. this holds true even on the level of any individual's struggles with their own shadow side. humanity has it's own shadow side; and even as individuals have separated off parts of their psyche from conscious view and kept themselves from acknowledging, accepting and re-integrating themselves by fear - thus creating a reactive and hidden aspect of themselves which seemingly causes inner conflict and less than loving behaviour - so it is in a collective sense.

the entire pageant play of economic inequity, environmental degradation, political intrigue, illuminati shenanigans and conspiracies, fear of subjection to unknown enemies etc. are in reality an unreal mirage-like creation of the human race itself. these are all energetic phenomena which directly describe our inner collective condition of the emotional and mental state of separation - separating out from ourselves those aspects of ourselves with which we don't want to deal. these conditions then appear to take of a life of their own, and appear to us as enemies to be battled.

the individual with inner 'demons' which plague and haunt him is suffering in line with the exact same mechanism. the central key to self re-integration is to begin the attempt to cease allowing these repetitive patterns from endlessly playing out - seek out those personal distortions, recognise when they manifest in life, become familiar with the triggers, step back and examine them, practice taking responsibility for them, practicing patience, accepting, forgiving and being grateful for the opportunity to grow from them.

on the world scene, it's the same. there are in reality no outer enemies. no evil aliens or cabals plotting our demise! really! there is only us hurting ourselves. only us fearing us, mistaking ourselves for real monsters, not realizing that these are no more removed from us than the phantoms which inhabit our dreams. to 'fight' the power is in a spiritual sense no different than attacking parts of our own bodies, in a feverish and deluded delirium. if it takes our collective manifesting of a perceived invasion from outer space to further feed our need to dramatize our inner condition, than this is what will happen!

i do believe that the collective human being has made great strides in awakening to and reintegrating our shadow issues. yet still i would exhort all of you - no matter what may unfold in the ensuing months and years - to borrow from the creed of the law of one and send love, unity, light, acceptance, forgiveness and appreciation to all less than loving individuals, cabals and conditions - it boils down to you loving yourself, and accordingly transforming the world in which you find yourself.

these are my distorted thoughts and suggestions only, accept or discard as you feel fit! :d mark

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:dmark

"i could not have said it better myself" as we say in sweden, strangely enough since we are the country of the "jantelaw" where you're not supposed to think you're special at all and should just keep quiet and do as everyone else.

but stating something is one thing, living by it totally another. i'm constantly trying to step out of my shadow and if this was an astrologysite i would have shown you my chart;)
the synchronistic mirror of the time you came into the world and the energies you had around you, close family and the world at large. great tool that can be misused just like the knife you peel your apple with.

:)is shining, going to get some dvitamins and help a friend to relocate.

[transiten]

well time was 10.33 as i went to my computor just to add that as i turn on the radio they are talking about our "shadowside" which i also did with my ex yesterday. sun has entered scorpio and pluto has entered capricorn,,,a lot of shaodowplay will display. also we are in the middle of the venuspassage where all kinds of powerabuse is being revieled.

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[Matthew Clark]

i just finished listening to the latest fulford interview on rense. in part 4, benjamin says that there will be a false hollywood style et contact with fake aliens this november. very interesting. i have been skeptical as to whether or not disclosure would occur by the end of this year.
now, thanks to fulford's contacts, i have to question the motives of the group behind this organized event. personally, i don't think a fake et contact would be very successful if the goal is to keep control over the masses. suddenly, everybody would want to learn how these 'aliens' got here and our scientists would have to take a closer look at the concepts presented by david and many other brilliant scientists and researchers. you can't disclose the presence of ets without disclosing the existence of their technologies...not for long anyway.
i just don't see how disclosure would benefit the so called power elite. maybe there's something i've overlooked?

i refuse to accept that our e.t family would even allow a "fake" disclosure in their name. this view has been echoed by a few others and i am certain that david himself said something on the same lines.

maybe disclosure will happen by the end of the year or maybe not. my hunch is that time is running out and also i truly believe that we all made an agreement prior to incarnating in this life time that "they" will come anyway, whether our "trusty" goverments acknowledge them or not. we are in the end times/days of this system which cannot come to an end soon enough. the prior agreement we made (imho) allows them to come without violating our free will.

i check out benjamins blog daily and love the way he puts his feelings out there without mincing his words. i will now check out the interview on rense, thanks for mentioning it.

by the way, there has been a lot of talk in the alternative media about stuff happening in november so keep your fingers crossed and if you want disclosure, put out your intent for it to happen now in a clear, positive and loving way. you never know........

love and light,

matt :)

[Jetamus]

i just finished listening to the latest fulford interview on rense. in part 4, benjamin says that there will be a false hollywood style et contact with fake aliens this november. very interesting. i have been skeptical as to whether or not disclosure would occur by the end of this year.
now, thanks to fulford's contacts, i have to question the motives of the group behind this organized event. personally, i don't think a fake et contact would be very successful if the goal is to keep control over the masses. suddenly, everybody would want to learn how these 'aliens' got here and our scientists would have to take a closer look at the concepts presented by david and many other brilliant scientists and researchers. you can't disclose the presence of ets without disclosing the existence of their technologies...not for long anyway.
i just don't see how disclosure would benefit the so called power elite. maybe there's something i've overlooked?

fulford is so rabidly anti-obama that anything associated with him, even et disclosure, will be seen by fulford as a bad thing.

but the most important piece of information is that he has heard it will happen in november.
that would narrow it down to within 30 days from now.

[billusion]

i have been reading the most incredible transcripts from jeff rense interview with benjamin fulford discussing the illuminatti. i have checked benjamin out on the net and he is a rather impressive person. the information in these transcripts will blow you away. it realy puts all the things going on in the world in a different perspective. donald


here is the link to all interviews http://rense.com/datapages/fulfdat.htm

my belief is that benjamin fulford is used for disinformation either knowingly or unknowingly.

i used to work in the music business. i worked for a concert promoter who represented famous american singers and musicians. anyways the guy i worked for had the same way of talking as benjamin fulford. have you noticed the speech impediment that fulford has? this guy i worked for also used to slurp coffee as fulford does in interviews. i've seen the fulford interviews and i was amazed how much like my former boss his speech, habits and coffee slurping was?

do you know why my boss had those habits, speech impediment and coffee slurping? because as i later found out he was a "coke head" (addicted to cocaine). the speech impediment you are hearing is from cocaine use and fulford has most probably burned the upper part of his mouth and his nasal cavity by using too much cocaine. the slurping of the coffee and his speech patterns match my former boss exactly.

so my guess is fulford is fed cocaine to do these videos and his blog. it's pretty easy to get people to promote disinformation if the have a coke habit. go watch the videos and you'll see the slurping of coffee and you'll hear the speech impediment. he's destroyed his upper mouth/nasal area by using too much cocaine.

if you don't believe me go ask an expert on cocaine addiction to listen to the video.

i'm afraid there are many people out there misinforming the masses and mr. fulford is one of them. :)

[evolving]

my hunch is that time is running out and also i truly believe that we all made an agreement prior to incarnating in this life time that "they" will come anyway, whether our "trusty" goverments acknowledge them or not. we are in the end times/days of this system which cannot come to an end soon enough. the prior agreement we made (imho) allows them to come without violating our free will.

this in not only not a violation of free will, and so many have sought to be here for this "big event". we have worked towards this for a mere 75,000 years, but it is another of the one infinite creators gifts. the lessons we have learned here will be invaluable in our, and all beings, futures. like ra have said, they are naive when it comes to dealing us because they had such a harmonious existence, but our rocky road has given insight to us which we shall forever carry, a wonderful repository of wisdom for the one infinite creator. this knowledge will eventually become incorporated into a social complex able of helping others in their third density experiences.

personally, i look forward to the next 75,000 years with hopes of a complete harvest. as far as i am concerned, in my current state of consciousness, i will continue with being of service to aiding the evolution of the souls in this density that are as of yet in the sinkhole. this is why i am here now, and why i will continue this work. when they are all ready to ascend, i shall ascend with them ;)

i have been contemplating on the sto and sts orientations lately, and i have come to a personal revelation on the way we typically term sto. although we say service to others, i cannot think of it in that way any longer. i can only think of it as service to other-self, because i now see us, as ra has explained, as distortions of the same light, each containing wondrous beauty, and all being part of self. although this is only a way of thinking about, and then wording it, it therefore becomes reality...

[Matthew Clark]

hi evolving,

i am not quite sure whether you are agreeing with me - (read your first line) but i will say this..


like ra have said, they are naive when it comes to dealing us because they had such a harmonious existence

thanks for reminding me that if there is a difficult road to take, i will find it ;)


personally, i can't wait for the next 75,000 years, with hopes of a complete harvest. as far as i am concerned, in my current state of consciousness, i will continue with being of service to aiding the evolution of the souls in this density that are as of yet in the sinkhole. this is why i am here now, and why i will continue this work. when they are all ready to ascend, i shall ascend with them

well i can tell you this is my last incarnation here. :d i have no doubt that i was screaming, kicking and probably crying when i had to "come back" this time. in fact i think "they" will have a better chance of selling the pope a double bed than getting me back here!

good to hear you will stay here till everyone is ready. personally, i will be up there cheering you on with my pom poms and yes for the whole 75 000 years if need be.

remember my name though and if you need anything during that period, just ask and i will see what i can do. ;)

matt

[Matthew Clark]

my belief is that benjamin fulford is used for disinformation either knowingly or unknowingly.

i used to work in the music business. i worked for a concert promoter who represented famous american singers and musicians. anyways the guy i worked for had the same way of talking as benjamin fulford. have you noticed the speech impediment that fulford has? this guy i worked for also used to slurp coffee as fulford does in interviews. i've seen the fulford interviews and i was amazed how much like my former boss his speech, habits and coffee slurping was?

do you know why my boss had those habits, speech impediment and coffee slurping? because as i later found out he was a "coke head" (addicted to cocaine). the speech impediment you are hearing is from cocaine use and fulford has most probably burned the upper part of his mouth and his nasal cavity by using too much cocaine. the slurping of the coffee and his speech patterns match my former boss exactly.

so my guess is fulford is fed cocaine to do these videos and his blog. it's pretty easy to get people to promote disinformation if the have a coke habit. go watch the videos and you'll see the slurping of coffee and you'll hear the speech impediment. he's destroyed his upper mouth/nasal area by using too much cocaine.

if you don't believe me go ask an expert on cocaine addiction to listen to the video.

i'm afraid there are many people out there misinforming the masses and mr. fulford is one of them.

hi bill,

whether benjamin is a cocaine addict or not, if you look at his work history, he has a pretty impressive background. he speaks 3 or 4 languages and was once the asian chief of forbes magazine, how many people reach that status!

now i am not one to believe everything he says, but what i can tell you is much of what this guy has put out has, further down the line turned out to be true.

when you look at who he has exposed, the type of people he has associated with (or have associated with him) then if he is sniffing the old sherbert, who could blame him.

i am not saying for a moment that you are judging him but i will say that just because he may or may not "use", does not mean he is deliberately mis-informing anyone.

the fact he may sound like your old boss and even drink coffee like him doesnt make him a user and sweeping statements like that make me a little uncomfortable.

if he is a lying addict, then i send him loving thoughts and if he is not (which i believe) then i say keep up the good work benjamin, his posts are very entertaining at the very least! :d

matt :)

[evolving]

hi evolving,
i am not quite sure whether you are agreeing with me - (read your first line) but i will say this..
i most definately agree. i thought i was reiterating your point, but apparently was unclear. this will remove that misconception.


thanks for reminding me that if there is a difficult road to take, i will find it ;)
i believe we all seek to take the difficult road, whatever our affliction is. for some it is poverty, for some riches, yet others physical adversity, and for others physical perfection. for each self the path holds unique difficulties, but all paths end at the same place, in the creators love.

my daughter, fifteen months old, was born perfect but with one flaw, being one ear sticks out sideways consderably more than the other. as for everything else, she is amazing and breathtakingly beautiful. even before i knew of this site, or consciously understood anything i have awakened to, i always said that her ear was the universe's way of letting her know she is human.


well i can tell you this is my last incarnation here. :d i have no doubt that i was screaming, kicking and probably crying when i had to "come back" this time. in fact i think "they" will have a better chance of selling the pope a double bed than getting me back here!
perhaps. we shall see :d . i tire too of this struggle on earth with the forgetting process in the short incarnations. hopefully when incarnating on the new planet, vibratory alignments will be in harmony with earths, so we will begin with longer life spans than we currently have now. i believe that will be so, and we will then be able to find the path more easily. if, however, it isn't easy, again, i will accept that. in being, i give gratitude for being to my creator, and accept the most difficult route if it helps others.


remember my name though and if you need anything during that period, just ask and i will see what i can do. ;)
oh, i'm sure you will have better things to do than hanging around waiting to arrive at my beck and call. i have so many already guiding me as it is... i do thank you for the offer though, my brother, and wish you a wonderous and loving ascendancy should you so chose such.

[eagleye]

the different factions of the elite are currently in an all out war. if you were at war with someone would you tell the truth all the time? that is not the way it works. to the contrary these factions constantly lie to one another in order to gain the upper hand. let us remember to that even benjamin has admitted many times that some of his statements could be inaccurate either because his sources were lied to or he was lied to directly.

because of this it would be good for us to realize that we always have to take what a whistleblower has to say with a grain of salt. it is never all black and white. even if an informer like benjamin fulford has pure motives he can still say things that are not entirely true. also in an effort to do good, he might be willing to go along with things that are not really in service to others. like his fake armageddon proposal awhile back. even though i do not agree with him on that i can see why he proposed it. in an effort to help, people can sometimes perform a disservice to others. i’m sure all of us have done this at one time or another. we tried to help but only made things worse. even ra has done this. because of the information ra gave to the people of earth a door was later opened for the formation of a negative elite due to the misuse of this information. talk about a major fumble.

[moderator: some discussion of obama was removed here as it is not on-topic for this forum thread]

who are benjamin fulford’s sources and how do they get their information? we don’t really know all of them do we? we don’t really know if they have accurate information regarding obama or the coming disclosure. maybe they are only half right. it could be that the disclosure is going to take place and the negative elite in america told these other factions that they are the ones behind it in an effort to get the rest of the world to reject it. it would then be a natural progression to then conclude that the “aliens” shown on tv would have to be fake hollywood actors. we don’t really know how benjamin fulford or his sources came to that conclusion.

i always try to use my imagination to see other possibilities instead of just accepting those presented. i’m not really worried about being fooled by a fake contact. first because i don’t believe they would be able to pull it off. they couldn’t even get away with 9/11. most people now know it was a hoax and are demanding the government come clean. a first contact could be a much bigger feat to pull off if it were not real.

my conclusion is that it would be impossible for them to pull this off. from what i know about the galactic federation and the confederation of planets to which ra is a member it would be impossible to pretend to be them. they have ships that are thousands of miles long. to build a ship like that would cost more money than exists in the entire world. the enormous amount of material needed to build it would be impossible to produce with our industrial complex even if you did have the money. the construction would be made of materials far superior than those we are able to produce. they would be constructed in such a way so that we would be able to recognize that the methods used are far superior to those we know of. they also have the ability to make them appear as light ships with amazing angelic pulsating rainbow colors and patterns which can materialize and dematerialize at will. the maneuverability of these ships can make ninety degree turns while going thousands of miles and hour. also the technology inside the ships is so far above anything that the black ops projects would be able to duplicate. add to this the sheer number of ships that are above the atmosphere at this time. first contact when it really happens will be followed by mass landings all around the world not just in america, so we are not just talking about a couple of ships we are talking about thousands.

the positive et’s come from higher dimensions and can appear as light beings if they want to. they can display superhuman abilities. they would be able to read our minds and communicate with us telepathically. we would know right away if the professed aliens were really positive beings because we would be able to feel the love coming from them. it would be very powerful. they would not just meet face to face with the elite but with us the common people. if they are real positive beings we will meet them face to face. if they do not come to us with the message of the law of one they will be exposed as a fraud. i am only just getting started here and could go on and on with this but i am sure i have made my point.

i agree with the other poster who said the real et’s would not allow them to pretend to be them. i believe they would expose the imposters if they tried. we are to close to the harvest time for them to allow these types of games to go on.

with all of this confusion and the conflicting messages it is more important than ever for those of us who have begun the process of ascension to continue developing our powers of intuition. this can be accomplished by seeking out and merging with our higher self. allow it to take the drivers seat and you will not need to fear anything.

finally remember we are all involved in physic warfare. the dark ones want us to operate in fear and anger. they know how the laws of karma work. these laws were spoken of by the ra entity, and will bring to us the frequency we focus on. we will be matched with what we put out into the universe. therefore our expectations have a lot to do with the final outcome. we really do create our own reality. don’t let them fool you into creating death and destruction with your own thoughts. :cool:

[billusion]

hi bill,

whether benjamin is a cocaine addict or not, if you look at his work history, he has a pretty impressive background. he speaks 3 or 4 languages and was once the asian chief of forbes magazine, how many people reach that status!

now i am not one to believe everything he says, but what i can tell you is much of what this guy has put out has, further down the line turned out to be true.

when you look at who he has exposed, the type of people he has associated with (or have associated with him) then if he is sniffing the old sherbert, who could blame him.

i am not saying for a moment that you are judging him but i will say that just because he may or may not "use", does not mean he is deliberately mis-informing anyone.

the fact he may sound like your old boss and even drink coffee like him doesnt make him a user and sweeping statements like that make me a little uncomfortable.

if he is a lying addict, then i send him loving thoughts and if he is not (which i believe) then i say keep up the good work benjamin, his posts are very entertaining at the very least! :d

matt :)

impressive backgrounds don't make necessarily for truth speakers. the man i worked for had an impressive background but trust me if you've worked around "coke heads" long enough you'd see immediately through fulford. in fact i'm pretty suspicious of most stuff put out there by project camelot.

ninjas indeed!:d

not only does he resemble my former boss but i can't begin to list the silly predictions and silly comments he's spewed out.

sorry but disinformation for 100%.

i don't feel hate towards anyone. with my symptoms i feel pretty neutral about everyone and everything.

people can believe in toothfairies! that is their own business!
:)

[Matthew Clark]

hi,

firstly, thank you eagleye for that post, i have to say we have a lot in common regarding our thoughts on et's and contact. thank you.


impressive backgrounds don't make necessarily for truth speakers. the man i worked for had an impressive background but trust me if you've worked around "coke heads" long enough you'd see immediately through fulford. in fact i'm pretty suspicious of most stuff put out there by project camelot.

i agree with you to a degree but you cannot paint everyone with the same brush just because of your previous experience with a coke head. one has to use ones intuition and much of what he writes, gives me positive vibrations and i have to listen to my intuition. i do not take everything he says as gospel but personally i would not judge anyone by comparing them to someone else i know who i "think" has similar modus operandi.
i agree with you on pc but only as far as their, of late, leaning towards the dark side.


people can believe in toothfairies! that is their own business!

dont diss the toothfairy - she is real. next you will be saying the red santa clause we know and love also is not real and was invented by a well known cola company in the 1930's!

matt :)

[jellyfish]

interesting back and forth regarding ben fulford. i like him, but yeah...sometimes i wonder what he's getting at. he throws out big, weird blanket statements as 'facts' but does nothing as far as proving those facts. still, he's out there doing his thing. i take what works for me and leave what dosen't. and who knows...he may be being fed disinfo, maybe he's forced to do such, and maybe he's leaving it up to us to do our due dilligence and research on our own. never a bad idea.

[jpstephens2012]

i like this thread. benjamin fulford. it's hard to say how much credence to give to anything that comes from him. he is a complex mixture of information and disinformation. i'm sure he means well with his contributions, but whether or not they contribute to the sum of knowledge or not is obviously debatable. it is entertaining though.

the same thing can be said of just about anybody in the whistleblower community. in the final analysis it comes down to your own personal discernment and what you do or don't wish to believe. that is in keeping with the law of free will. however, being in denial of the existance of neg. et's and various cabals is not the answer either. if you can't see that there are very obvious groups out there that have your worst interests at heart then you just aren't looking. the fact is there are those groups out there and with enough research you can narrow it down to a single group. everything else is simply to confuse, misdirect, misinform, and divide those who seek to narrow it down to a root cause, then make laws that make it illegal to reveal who they are.

nuff said on that subject.

what does any of this have to do with spirituality? nothing except it is just something else that keeps us from rising above the negative activity and discovering the light. when focused on the details of the darkness it is difficult to see the light present in the larger picture, which is where we want to go. this is the trap isn't it? it's the same trap that captured us here in the material world in the first place, keeps us here, enslaves us here. time to break free, i(we) are a glorious creator. let's create something better!

[evolving]

what does any of this have to do with spirituality? nothing except it is just something else that keeps us from rising above the negative activity and discovering the light. when focused on the details of the darkness it is difficult to see the light present in the larger picture, which is where we want to go. this is the trap isn't it? it's the same trap that captured us here in the material world in the first place, keeps us here, enslaves us here. time to break free, i(we) are a glorious creator. let's create something better!

i agree! when one looks into the darkness, one sees less light. only when one looks into the light do they see no darkness.

[Bill]

i have been reading ben's postings over the last few months. got to admit, most of them seem pretty far-fetched (in that it is difficult to see how they could play out), and most of them filled with anger.

i was pleased, somewhat, with his latest post...


on a different note, there are logistical and technological issues to deal with before the new financial system can be launched. the best guess is january 2010 at the earliest. at that point people will get their money back.

on a further note, we are hearing that all the top nazis in the us, from henry (heinz) kissinger on down, are now under arrest. when people find out what these criminals did to the people of the world there will be a lot of anger. despite the huge injustices that have taken place, now is a time for forgiveness, not revenge.

he seems to believe that there will be a 'reset' in the financial system (something akin to what david has mentioned) possibly by next month, but what was more pleasing was his last sentence...

sound familiar?

[Matthew Clark]

hi bill,

i also read his blogs. i dont know why but i really like him!

he did say recently that he had heard george bush (snr) and babs have been killed. i saw a you tube video of bush attending a ceremony at some museum after he said that.

wow is there no end to what that haarp machine can do!

either that or of course the logical explanation would be that they used a stunt double lol!

my money is on the clever hologram technology. :d

i do agree though, the last comment he made was very uplifting. i would have no hesitation in forgiving them, providing of course, they release their flying saucer technology to us! ;)

matt :)

[Just Be]

he did say recently that he had heard george bush (snr) and babs have been killed. i saw a you tube video of bush attending a ceremony at some museum after he said that.

wow is there no end to what that haarp machine can do!

either that or of course the logical explanation would be that they used a stunt double lol!

or perhaps he was cloned.

this sounds crazy, but it isn't really if you think about. animals can be cloned and the dark forces have many advance technology that the public do not know about. it's logical to assume they can take the next step and clone humans. plus, there's confirmation on project camelot interview (i forget the name of the person) who had illustrations on human cloning experiments.

i heard pope john paul was murdered then cloned b/c he wanted "to allow ancient records hidden in the vatican to come forth and to share with the world's poor the vast wealth amassed by the church."

i also heard that the george w bush that makes public appearances is also a clone. the reason that was stated was that his many years of alcoholism had made his thoughts incoherent. this makes a lot of sense to me...since dick cheney was really running the show when bush was president and bush's his lack of public affection to his wife.

[eagleye]

wow,

this could be another thumbs up for benjamin fulford and his sources:
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=162469

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1235375/prince-william-share-queens-duties-treasury-document-reveals-secret-plan-make-shadow-king.html

i was most impressed by the term in the bottom linked article that said he would be a “shadow king”. that means to me that you would have no way of confirming that he was in any controlling anything. he would supposedly be doing it behind the scenes and unseen by the public.

[eagleye]

i am seeing more and more signs that what benjamin fulford has been saying is coming true.

the queen of england riding a public train?!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1236632/your-commuter-carriage-awaits-the-queen-catches-train-journey-sandringham-christmas.html

this gets weirder all the time. it could be further indication that she has abdicated her throne and the money taken away.

also interesting is the fact that the copenhagen talks have failed in large part due to china changing its tune in regards to signing any binding deal. if so, it is good news.

[Berry Chastain]

i saw that video clip on bbca tv last night and watched in wonder as i questioned to myself what was going on. the fact that she had only one guard with her was another wierd circumstance. we thought "was this a stand in" like dave in the movie. lol

[Jasper]

we are all born equal, it's just that some people are born more equal than others!

so, qe2 only had one guard with her when she 'roughed it' on a public train. well, that was one more guard than she had in that rediculous film 2012!!

welcome to the real world maam.

[Cotton]

or perhaps he was cloned.

this sounds crazy, but it isn't really if you think about. animals can be cloned and the dark forces have many advance technology that the public do not know about. it's logical to assume they can take the next step and clone humans. plus, there's confirmation on project camelot interview (i forget the name of the person) who had illustrations on human cloning experiments.

i heard pope john paul was murdered then cloned b/c he wanted "to allow ancient records hidden in the vatican to come forth and to share with the world's poor the vast wealth amassed by the church."

i also heard that the george w bush that makes public appearances is also a clone. the reason that was stated was that his many years of alcoholism had made his thoughts incoherent. this makes a lot of sense to me...since dick cheney was really running the show when bush was president and bush's his lack of public affection to his wife.

or of course bush sr. could still be alive and there is no such thing as a bush clone... if the real george bush was less coherent than clone bush... enough said. :p

don't get to far ahead of yourselves and believe just anything someone tells you. as much as i wish this weren't the case we still live in relative reality. there are definitely some very strange things going on and some huge conspiracies and cover-ups but in my opinion seeing shadows in every corner is not realistic. of course, i could be wrong. :)

[Pangoban]

benjamin fulford

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" he did say recently that he had heard george bush (snr) and babs have been killed. i saw a you tube video of bush attending a ceremony at some museum after he said that. "


hi matthew & everyone,

christopher story mentions on his website that bush snr is very much alive...and still up to his tricks. also mentions in a report dated dec 14 that kissinger and bush snr associates have been arrested. story's bio on wikipedia and on his own website seem quite legit/extensive but who knows if this information has any credence...one may hope that their power is beginning to fall apart!

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http://www.worldreports.org/aboutus
christopher e. h. story frsa, managing and operations director, a former occasional adviser to lady thatcher, has over 37 years’ experience of specialist intelligence and financial publishing. christopher story is a veteran private investigative journalist and publisher
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http://www.worldreports.org/news

17 dec 2009 bush sr continues to sabotage the settlements
16 dec 2009 treasury secretary ‘read his rights’ and tagged
14 dec 2009 $47 trillion lien against u.s. treasury and fed

kissinger and bush associates arrested
on 8th december 2009, sources advised us that ‘a number’ of associates of godfather george h. w. bush and of the triple-agent dr henry (‘heinz’) kissinger were arrested on that date. earlier we learned that three close associates of bush 41 had been arrested: although the total was changed to five within 24 hours.

[eagleye]

i think the main problem we have in determining if these things are happening is the way the media reports these events. they make it difficult but not impossible to see what is actually happening. like with the queen of england. those of us who follow these things can get a pretty good idea of what is going on, even though they try to make it seem like nothing substantial is happening.

the queen of england is one of the top elites in the compartmentalized pyramidal power structure who have been secretly controlling world events through the triple corporate structure of britain, washington d.c, and the vatican. these are not countries; they only pretend to be. in essence they are corporations that are set up at the top to control everything else that is within the scope of the rockefeller/ rothschild control.

for those who know how this is organized they will see the queen of england stepping down as one of the final blows to the nwo power structure. this is not trivial news with some small change happening. it is a monumental change in a power structure that has existed on this planet for a very, very long time. this is bigger than wwii. it is bigger than all the wars ever fought combined, and no on seems to have a clue because the media is simply not reporting it.

another case in point is what benjamin fulford is saying about the un. this is not just something that only he is reporting. it is in the mainstream media. i noticed him saying over and over that what he says can be confirmed in the mainstream media and he is right. it’s just not in the way we would expect to see it reported. most people cannot really understand what has been defeated because of the way it is reported on. some people are actually angry about this because they think the goal of the summit was to take care of the planet. nothing could be farther from the truth.

we can all see that the talks have failed in copenhagen. no legally binding agreements were reached and only weak statements were made which they have no obligation to keep. i believe it was just to save face.

why is this defeat so important? one of the final steps in bring about their world government was the legal structure they wanted to implement with the phony global warming agreements. these agreements would have essentially stripped any last remaining sovereignty from the participating countries. it was the culmination of what the un has been working toward since its inception. they wanted to bring all countries into a single legal framework that would consolidate their powers into one. this has failed. it has nothing to do with weather or not we can believe benjamin fulford. it is plainly visible for all that want to see it.

i don’t think it really matters who is still alive and who is dead. what is important is who is in power. it looks to me like these people are all running and hiding now.

as a side point i’ll say if you can’t stretch your mind enough to believe that human cloning is alive and well in the black ops projects the government funds, then consider that it is common practice for world leaders to use doubles for protection. i am talking about normal people who are surgically altered to appear to be someone else. this is common knowledge even in the mainstream media. there are doubles all over the place. for instance we have elvis doubles, michael jackson doubles, and the list goes on. some of them look almost identical to the person they are trying to mimic.

do you really think the media is going to report that george bush has been arrested, or that henry kissinger is on house arrest? i would never expect them to do that because they are still under the control of these people. i would however expect them to fulfill their role as propaganda pushers and immediately come out with a cover story, for instance a story, using a double, to prove that george bush was seen in such and such a place the other day. don’t you think the timing of these stories is a little odd? and why would anyone care where he was or what he was doing on that day? what about all the other days he has been out of office, why all of a sudden when we start hearing that he has been arrested do we see these stories? you don’t always need proof, just a common thread of the timing to weave in.

unfortunately for some people they will not be able to grasp what is happening around them until the mainstream media is willing to tell them. they are not willing to take the pieces and put them together. the pieces are there right in front of them, all they have to do is pick them up and put them together. there is no mystery but the people who are currently going down want you to believe it is a mystery.

pangoban,

we are not at the beginning of them falling apart, we are at the end. if i could say one thing to the tricksters, i would mimic the words of the famous cartoon rabbit on the cereal commercial, “silly rabbit, tricks are for kids!”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0n3xvdybek4&feature=related

they may have had the spoon in their hand but it has now been taken away from them. :)

[Pangoban]

" what is important is who is in power. "

exactly...while the powerbase of tptb is very obviously falling apart very rapidly/their plans going nowhere fast, the btm's of their minnions are actually still sitting on those seats of power....so they haven't actually 'dropped the spoon' yet and are still trying to rescue the situation. i agree we are at the end....but not quite there yet until those btm's are actually seen to be removed....but overall i quite agree with what you are saying and yes it can be detected if one reads enough news...mainstream and alternative.

there seems to be a 'war' between the rothschild faction and the rockefeller faction, so they are actually helping to bring themselves down.

[Happystrings]

" those btm's .

what's btms?

thanks

[Pangoban]

what's btms?

'bottoms/butts'...the bit of one's person that sits on a chair.
sorry about that....i meant 'the person actually seen as holding
a particular position of power'.

[Bill]

you know, i hope this post is allowed, i believe it is on topic, but i truly started wondering about this...

i think i can say that i believe that all these changes are indeed coming... being the engineer, i still have my 'need' for proof, if you will, and i see tidbits that i wonder about, and see them as pieces to the puzzle... such as, not having seen any us currency newer than 2006, or the heavy chemtrail sprayings as of late, or the article about the queen... when you take a step back, you may ponder... hmmmm, that seems a bit odd, no?

when you start to piece them together, then i wonder, okay, maybe this really is happening... but then i really thought about this tonight, okay, i can believe this is happening, but what would i really think if i truly see it reflected in the material world? if the fed truly did 'go out of business', and the frns were wiped out. would i truly say, hmmmm, i knew it was coming, or would i be blown away at the magnitude of the changes i am seeing unfold in my lifetime??? is then my role to help explain to others what i knew was coming all along?

hmmmmm....:confused:

[eagleye]

well i have to agree with another one of benjamin fulford’s analogies when he said if you want to stop the madness then you need to go for the eye, like in the movie “kill bill”, when one of the evil killers had here eye plucked out and was immediately incapacitated.

the queen of england stepping down is a much bigger deal than if the entire visible government in england were arrested and taken to jail. the majority of them are just puppets, and takes their orders from here. whoever takes here place will then control many of those power seats you are talking about. that means they can then be directed to do good things instead of what they have been doing. :)

we have a situation now where the majority of the world is against the rockefeller faction and is pushing their destruction. so the seats of power you are talking about are at this point very limited and weak. that is why they can’t carry out any other their recent plans. this includes swine flu, which we are not even hearing about anymore because they failed with that to.

[Foghorn]

why is behind no us currency with no dates beyond 2006?

also....what is frn?


if the fed truly did 'go out of business', and the frns were wiped out. would i truly say, hmmmm, i knew it was coming, or would i be blown away at the magnitude of the changes i am seeing unfold in my lifetime??? is then my role to help explain to others what i knew was coming all along?

would you be so kind to explain more?

[conundrum]

the big letting go is rattling around in my mind as i read your post do you resist change or do you roll with it maybe you get steam rolled .

depends on what kind of engineer you are as well

[Bill]

to those that responded to my post...

well, one theory about the us currency beyond 2006 is that they stopped printing the us dollars in anticipation of the "amero" (i think that is what they were calling it) being distributed as the new currency.

frn = federal reserve notes... currency in the us (paper currency, that is), is issued by the federal reserve board, which is not a us agency...

regarding letting go... not sure, there may be parts of me that do, but again, i think the engineer in me is considering the probability of the reality of all these changes, and how could something this huge actually be implemented? and, if it does, wow, that really would be something unheard of, something very huge and exciting... and, i do wonder about those that have a tough time dealing with change... just interesting thoughts about what will really happen when the changes do occur...

[Born23EB]

greetings folks. it seems from my perspective the apparent design set up and sustained with our consent over decades has been made possible by the cooperation of the ptb among themselves however much they disdain sharing power. the pyramidal structures are designed to have power flow down and never upward.a holistic view cannot arise inside a fragmented structure and require secrecy to hold its form of control.

having said that, i wonder what would happen if all came to light in public consciousness? the swine flu fiasco appears to be a prime example of disinfo and info campaigns running in tandem. how can we discern what is true when this is occuring?

i find no definitive answers but there are indicators when a collective realization takes place, that the consciousness field has a way of making a turn about in entirely unexpected directions and can produce novel revelations of potential not previously known.