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meganarline

07-12-2007, 08:03 AM

Art

07-12-2007, 09:17 AM

Just wanted to post a quick thank you to David and Ra ( I am guessing it was Ra even though he didn't introduce "himself")for the excellent reading. A lot of it completely related to issues that are going on in my life at this time. It was a good reminder to continue to always seek the "love in the moment"- something I myself need to be reminded of regularly! My household has been on an up and down emotional ride lately- how much of that has been caused by my own feelings? It was kind of like a spiritual "kick in the butt" to get me to practice what I learned through the Science of Peace. Attitude really is everything. I am so grateful for all the learning/lessons that have come my way lately, although at times it takes me a while to realize that I actually am grateful!!
Take care all,
Megan

Megan,

Good post! I'd venture to say alot of us are going through "an up and down emotional ride lately". I know I am. And what you've said is correct. Keep that chin up and push forward.

I'm wondering, as the energy transfer to 4D continues, will more and more people, who "aren't in the know", process these energies "negatively"? Everyday I see and hear about more and more people being sick, etc. This is true for me - so far this year, I have been "sick" more than usual (although in hindsight this "pattern" has co-existed since my "awakening").

It is my understanding that to fully transform into 4D, we will "essentially" die - leaving our physical bodies. (Physical death is but a small piece of the puzzle - the Spiritual "You" existed way before you were "born" and will exist long after your "Physical death"...). Although I LOVE life and experiencing each day in 3D "reality", I do not fear death, "knowing", remembering, believing what I do. But, those who lack a "spiritual" component in their life will fear these changes, and we all know fear is "food" for the "dark side"... These changes may be the driving force behind the "emotional roller coaster", and as difficult as it is, keep your eye on the ball. Again, thats why it is so important to Be a Beacon of Light in these times, so that we may help those who ask for it; help them to see the Light through their eyes... We each play a part in helping others to overcome the fear and experience oneness.

Art

Kris

07-13-2007, 10:33 AM

Art Quote
It is my understanding that to fully transform into 4D, we will "essentially" die - leaving our physical bodies. (Physical death is but a small piece of the puzzle - the Spiritual "You" existed way before you were "born" and will exist long after your "Physical death"...). Although I LOVE life and experiencing each day in 3D "reality", I do not fear death, "knowing", remembering, believing what I do. But, those who lack a "spiritual" component in their life will fear these changes, and we all know fear is "food" for the "dark side"...

I too wanted to thank David for the reading and agree with Megan, it was kind of like a "spiritual kick in the butt" which I'm sure we all benefited from. I'd be happy to transcribe the reading, if there is still a need.

Just a couple of questions on what Art said about when we fully tranform to 4D. I am not afraid of dying in order to accompish this tranformation, I just wonder about our loved ones, such as our children etc., who have not yet awakened. Do we know what happens to those who are not harvestable? Do we die and our families know we have died? Or do you think that in the next five years or so (2012), some will go to 4D positive and some will go to 4D negative and some will go to another planet that is 3D, but we all go somewhere? I think my only fear at this time is leaving behind my children who will have to face the trauma of my "death"

Kris

David Wilcock

07-13-2007, 11:44 AM

Dear Kris,

You're the first one to volunteer... so please do transcribe the reading and we'll put it up after a final editing pass!

Thanks!

- David

Art

07-13-2007, 02:39 PM

Just a couple of questions on what Art said about when we fully tranform to 4D. I am not afraid of dying in order to accompish this tranformation, I just wonder about our loved ones, such as our children etc., who have not yet awakened. Do we know what happens to those who are not harvestable? Do we die and our families know we have died? Or do you think that in the next five years or so (2012), some will go to 4D positive and some will go to 4D negative and some will go to another planet that is 3D, but we all go somewhere? I think my only fear at this time is leaving behind my children who will have to face the trauma of my "death"

Kris

Kris -

Yikes! :eek: We all ask the questions you post above when contemplating "this aspect of the transformation". If I may, let me quote from another post of mine in a different thread:

As I step outside of myself and examine my learning and spiritual development to this point, I'd have to say the real miracles for me are right here, right NOW. The awakening process is unique for each individual, and leads us on an endless quest of discovery. This quest has enriched me, and filled my being with the sense of oneness.

Some of the great folks on this forum have "brought me back down to earth", so to speak. "What is going to happen in 2012?" is a question we all ask ourselves. "What does the transformation to 4D involve?" is another. These great mysteries are slightly out of our reach "timewise", and from my viewpoint, out of our control. However, what is in our control, our free will to do so, is our acceptance of oneness. This is the true miracle.

What I'm getting at here, is once we come to understand oneness, and apply lessons from the LoO, we must live a Service to Others lifestyle, correct? To my knowledge, its easier to define what isn't Service to Others rather than to list out things we should do. My approach to Serving Others has taken the easiest of forms - being a pleasant individual who is open to spread love. The "applications" of this manifest in a variety of ways. We can't force it, that would be a violation of Free Will. However, we can each lend a hand, offer a shoulder to cry on, help make one smile - its the little, seemingly easy things that I think make a huge difference. Put another way, as awakened individuals, we need to lead by example NOW, and this is easily done, again, by little things. "Be a beacon of Light"

Yes, I look forward to the miracles that await us. However, the time to celebrate is NOW, for I feel, the true miracle in all of this is the process of awakening. Miracles are all around us, and opportunties exist for learning, for teaching, for spreading the light. These opportunities rarely come to you, you have to go out and get 'em. Don't wait for the wonders of the ascension or 2012, the future depends on how you act NOW...

So, I have the same questions you do about those I care deeply about. Yet another reason to live each day to the fullest - you could be here one minute and gone the next, physically speaking.

I believe everyone will find their own way, in their own time. We can serve our loved ones by being open, understanding, and tolerant as they come to grips with the "same" experiences we've had: the questioning, the dark nights of the soul, acceptance, and finally learning to process, to harness 4D energies for beneficial use, for service. However, we have to be cautious about violating their Free Will. I usually say, help those to see the light through their eyes.

It's been quite a ride for me, and I'd like to think I could "soften" the ride for those I care about, but its their ride to experience. Their experiences and interpretations will ultimately reveal their Inner truth, their connection to All, to One. And as for me dying, well, it would be difficult on those I love, yes. However, I think back to my experiences in life, and with each passing of those I deeply cared about (I lost my mother unexpected when I was 23, and several since then), I eventually grew stronger from those experiences. But, this took years, and if we try to think of everything that could happen between now, and "then", alots gonna happen in 5+ years. Maybe. It depends on how you see things, how you want to create the future.

Now, the reason why I included the other post was to persuade you NOT to be overly concerned about the events in the near future (2012, etc.). My opinion is that no one knows what all will happen between now and then, so you could drive yourself crazy with speculation. Its bound to get a little crazy in the next years, however, as Awakened souls, we'll be able to deal with it, and help those around us (including our loved ones). Yet another reason to include the other post. Don't worry about how you will be in 2012, focus on who you are now, what you can do now. By 2012, you'll Be a Beacon of Light.

Your awakening was a choice, you had the Free Will to do so, and you have the Free Will to either continue on the path, or jump off.

The ascension seems to be "out of our control", beyond our free will. Yes, the choices you make and the lifestyle you live may have an impact during your individual ascension, but I believe in mass ascension as a whole. Some of us may go a bit early, but I expect to stick it out until the end. So, in other words, I believe if you want to live until the mass ascension, then you will. After that, its anyone's guess. When we're on the other side, I think we'll all be "infants" with incredible 4D powers, meeting each other and creating a new world of harmony. We will remember nothing about this 3D life or experience when on the other side... Finally, I dare say, on the other side, I won't "recognize" anyone else, and they won't "recognize" me. We will be together, a 4D Social Memory Complex, beyond individualization.

But, thats in the future. In the present, NOW, all we need concern ourselves with is Oneness and Service to Others. Have no fear about the future. Once you begin to harness the energy, you truly will start to create your world, rather than being a dependent observer... And, I dare say, none of us have the intention of creating a fearful world...

Hope this reply helped. :D

Teresamh7

07-13-2007, 05:47 PM

Kenneths149

07-13-2007, 08:38 PM

I am thankful for the free reading on 7-11-07. It empowers me to understand who I am now.The rate of change and insight has increased quickly for me in the last months with struggles and steps forward. Thank you for an affirming reading on interpreting the times we live in. "As it was in the begining is now, and ever shall be" touch a deep resonnance in my core, in my soul. Ialwyas thought of that prayer as outside myself and no connectin to me now. It has every connection to us , to me now and tomorrow and yesterday. I am love and I am well, thankful in all situations. I appreciate the interpretations so that what was and what is and what will be are one.

Art

07-14-2007, 08:42 AM

if the spiritual "you" existed and will continue, so it is the same for "them". Their souls are also "connected" to yours as all are one and we chose this time and experience as well as they. It is all part of a divine plan. I know that my children will follow their path as "they" were meant to so that we can rejoice in our meeting at another time. I try to feel like a part of me is with them and has always been and will always be. If they know you at all, they will be comforted. It does not matter so much where we go next as we will all be together in time and our love will be so much greater and filled with understanding. All we can do is pass on our love and they will do the rest. Take comfort in the fact that they will have help. Trust in them as they have you.

Very well put Teresa! These are difficult things to write about - finding the right words and including everything is tough. And the last thing we want to do is upset someone with point of view that appears to be limited, closed. Yes, we will all meet on the other side, at another time.

I especially like the bolded sentence in your post! ;)

Art

linsybyster

07-14-2007, 10:22 PM

I feel like I know so much less than all of you... :) So please forgive me if anything I say comes across as really "dumb."
But I just wanted to add that I had read in a book called [please email Linsy for the book name], that any babies born after... I think it was either 2000 or 2005... are now Crystal Children - the Indigo Children group are now finished coming through.
So it seems to me that given the higher level of evolution of Indigo and these newer Crystal Children - they are born knowing much of what we are just discovering - most of them will probably ascend. It wouldn't make any sense to me for a bunch of children to be born right before the ascension and for them not to be ready.
But then, I know that when you say "children" you don't all mean children born in the last 10-20 years.

soup

07-15-2007, 01:29 PM

In contemplating this thread there seems a possibility that the body regenerates so often, i.e. the hair cells of today are not the same hair cells of yester-year, though they may resemble them so.

How old are the cells in our body and could it be possible that our physical body undergos some form of physical death each and every day in the act of regenerating itself?

I'd put it out there that a transition to some sort of new 4D experience may be quite merciful and offer continuity within our exisiting lives. It seems quite possible that the more profound shift to 4D incorporates a life enhancing awakening in terms of conscious awareness within our daily experience...

MarkM

07-15-2007, 06:02 PM

A good entry point for contemplation...

every day, millions of dead skin cells slough themselves off our bodies, and other dead cells exit the scene in a variety of ways. The bodies we now inhabit are, in fact, entirely not the same bodies we wore several years ago, that body being essentially dead. But we are still here, all the same.

One day, we will 'slough' off this body all at once, the only difference between this phenomena and the afore-mentioned process is the speed at which this occurs.

In thinking of loved ones, both those who have passed and those still on Earth, I am comforted by the idea of those, who when they pass over, have been warmly greeted by those who have passed previously. I like to imagine that this is an arrangement facilitated by those loving, serving entities who aid in our transition to time/space. Indeed, certain members of my family have had visitations from their most dearly beloved who have passed, both in the waking and the dream state. I wonder, mindful of the synchronistic nature of time, whether those who have passed can be greeted on the other side by those they left behind on the Earth plane? To me, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.

If there is a cosmic instant in which we all pass out of the 3D Earth plane together circa 2012, I don't expect that families and friends will be summarily ripped apart, instantly separated and spread out across the range of densities and planets that variously represent our differing destinations, never to be heard from again. The Universe is too merciful for that. I imagine there may be stages of transition wherein we countenance our children and other loved ones as they really are, in the full maturity of all lifetimes lived on Earth, and at that time we will know that each and every one of us is eternally safe and firmly ensconced within the protective, loving embrace of the One Infinite Creator.

I believe that our soul essence has the capability to continue to know, love and interact with any soul with whom we have shared a bond across any perceived distance; indeed, distance and duration are 'immutable' only here in the world of illusion. It is said that the only thing we can take with us when we go is the treasure we have stored up in our hearts. Our loved ones are certainly some of the very few things here on Earth that we can take with us!

So be prepared for some soul-shuddering, rib-cracking sobs of joy, when you find out that nothing you love will ever be taken from you.

Divine comfort and love to all, Mark

Art

07-16-2007, 11:16 AM

Both of you have shared some good perspectives on mercy (which I totally agree with) and continuity (which I am still undecided, but strongly leaning towards acceptance). In my earlier post in this thread, I fear I may have "upset" some with incorrect suggestions of being separated from those we love after 2012. If this is so, I do apologize. My intention here was not to upset anyone, or create fear, but rather to point out that it is merely speculation on anything beyond 2012. I envision a totally spectacular shift from this 3D life of illusion to a 4D life of truth. To persuade the reader of how spectacular I think this shift to be, I used some rather strong language, which in hindsight was also incorrect.

As I re-read my response post to Kris, I was subtly reminded of how everything we "experience" is "kept" within us (across all incarnations), so to suggest that beyond 2012 "We will remember nothing about this 3D life or experience when on the other side... Finally, I dare say, on the other side, I won't "recognize" anyone else, and they won't "recognize" me." was incorrect, and possibly irresponsible. :eek: Again, please accept my humble apologies for not offering a "complete" and "accurate" response, based on the entirity of what I "know" at this time (which in fact is quite limited and open to "further clarification").

So, in closing, thank you both for offering "countering" perspectives on loved ones after 2012 (You too Teresa!). I've always believed that no single one of us has the best answer, but rather together we offer our inidividual input to formulate an acceptable, and more importantly complete, collective "answer" to questions we all have. Its an honor to be learning with all of you.

Art

MarkM

07-16-2007, 04:46 PM

Hi, Art!:D

I do love reading your posts; I find they resound with inspiring thoughts and feelings.

My speculation regarding an interim transitional period wherein we 'wrap up' our business here in 3D is only that...speculation. Ra teaches that at the conclusion of a normal birth, living and 'death' cycle in 3D, we re-experience certain parts of the life just passed in order to integrate and fully accept that life. Although what I wrote in my previous post to this thread, referring to a similar type of transitional period at the conclusion of human 3D life on Earth, might seem to me a possible scenario, it is not knowable to us, now.

It is an idea that, rather, illuminates a possible alternative that addresses an anxiety that we all have pondered, regarding our loved ones at the time of ascension. I do believe there will be a sudden, simultaneous event in which we transit out of the 3D plane en masse, but certainly what happens after that no one knows, although we are all free to conjecture.

I do think it possible that once we are fully integrated into 4D life, our concerns and memories of 3d will be as a distant murmur, with little or perhaps no lingering relevance to our new adventure. It's possible that this stage will be more or less instantly attained by those who ascend, but either way, I feel we will be assured one way or the other of the continued loving and caring of those we care for and love, here and now.

As you put it so well, everyone will find their own way, in their own time, and their experiences and interpretations will reveal their inner truth, their connection to all, to one. This for me is the most comforting sentiment raised on this thread thus far, and addresses most firmly the truth of the issue, in that we will all be ok. It is something we can KNOW within ourselves, now.

Thanks once again for the inspiration you share!:D

Mark

Art

07-16-2007, 07:42 PM

Rather than privately mail Mark a response, I felt these words had to be shared with all. To begin, thank you for your kind words Mark. All too often I am my "harshest" critic; it usually takes several attempts to "get it all out", and even then I'm not overly satisfied with what was written. One thing I LOVE about the DC Forum is the atmosphere of cooperation, of "compromise". I have often "modified" my thoughts (or, in most cases, formed a clearer "picture") due to the feedback from the wonderful members of this Forum, and this came through discussions such as these. Never once have I been harshly criticized by another member for a slip-up now and then (I've made quite a few) - this truly is a safe haven for the free exchange of ideas, and people are here to help, not to argue. For that I am EXTREMELY thankful.

So, to those who may feel that they lack the knowledge to post, etc., you are wrong (again, a little strong - sorry!). We all bring invaluable experience and perspective to this Forum of Spiritual Learning, and each and every member's interpretation of this knowledge is not only valued, but necessary for a more complete "understanding" by all. I'd use the analogy of "an incomplete One without you"... :D

Lastly, thank you Mark for identifying what I would agree is one of the better sentiments:

"...everyone will find their own way, in their own time, and their experiences and interpretations will reveal their inner truth, their connection to all, to one."

You nailed it - this is quite comforting when contemplating "the fate" of our loved ones in 2012 (To the best of my knowledge, all those I love are still "asleep"). I'd like to add a little here - remember back to your quest for truth, your spiritual journey up until now... Hasn't it been a great ride, filled with adventure, of discovery? :rolleyes: I don't "pity" those who are still "asleep", but rather am excited for them, maybe even a little jealous, for as this "oneness movement" becomes more mainstream, people will be talking face to face in coffee shops, not just in internet forums... They won't feel isolated, and if the atmosphere for spiritual conversation is a fraction of what it is here, great things are sure to happen at a must faster pace, on a much wider scale. Oh I can see it now! :D

May your being be comforted by peace, nourished with joy. With each passing moment, may you be filled more and more with the Light and Love of the Infinite Creator, the One.

Art

Kris

07-16-2007, 08:30 PM

As I re-read my response post to Kris, I was subtly reminded of how everything we "experience" is "kept" within us (across all incarnations), so to suggest that beyond 2012 "We will remember nothing about this 3D life or experience when on the other side... Finally, I dare say, on the other side, I won't "recognize" anyone else, and they won't "recognize" me." was incorrect, and possibly irresponsible. :eek: Again, please accept my humble apologies for not offering a "complete" and "accurate" response, based on the entirity of what I "know" at this time (which in fact is quite limited and open to "further clarification").
Art

Hi Art:

Please do not feel as though you need to apologize. In fact, I wanted to thank you for your answer and have not found the time until now to do so. I thought your response was very heartfelt and I appreciate, more than you could know, that you took the time to give me your perspective. In fact, I was wondering which thread your post was in that you quoted from. I thought that would be a great thread to read.

I take a little bit from everything everyone on this forum has to say and come up with my own answers. After all, as you have all said, it truly is just speculation on anybody's part. Nobody really knows for sure. If, in fact, as you said, we do not remember anything, then there really is nothing to fear.

What really stood out for me from what you said was to live in the now "as the true miracle in all of us is the process of awakening". This helped me to realize that I should not fear the future, but live in the present moment.

I have found much comfort in the words of all who have sought to answer my questions and I thank you all.

Gratefully yours,
Kris

soup

07-18-2007, 12:41 AM

Art shared:
...In my earlier post in this thread, I fear I may have "upset" some with incorrect suggestions of being separated from those we love after 2012...

Today i was contemplating an old Q'uo transcript that suggested that the 3D experience upon Earth generally comes with a "thicker" veil that allows for better integration of "shadow elements" in a way that facilitates later work going into 6D.

For example, it may be that "the generalization" proposed above accommodates those who choose a negative path, and in that case the choice of negative polarity may seem to limit progression to 6D.

This quandary may be an example of a shadow element that is conducive to come to terms with earlier than later. It would seem that some foresight into this possibility may work to catalyze some upon a negative path to choose differently, to polarize positive.

If this is the case then there seems some possibility that the generalization above seems partially correct, (in that a negative polarization seems to foster separation - or at least an illusion of separation.)

Art

07-18-2007, 11:23 AM

Today i was contemplating an old Q'uo transcript that suggested that the 3D experience upon Earth generally comes with a "thicker" veil that allows for better integration of "shadow elements" in a way that facilitates later work going into 6D.

For example, it may be that "the generalization" proposed above accommodates those who choose a negative path, and in that case the choice of negative polarity may seem to limit progression to 6D.

This quandary may be an example of a shadow element that is conducive to come to terms with earlier than later. It would seem that some foresight into this possibility may work to catalyze some upon a negative path to choose differently, to polarize positive.

If this is the case then there seems some possibility that the generalization above seems partially correct, (in that a negative polarization seems to foster separation - or at least an illusion of separation.)

Soup,

Pardon my ignorance, but I'm a little confused at what point you are trying to get across here... :confused: Of course, if there is "a shadow element" working through me, I would not be able to "see it" and would need an outside perspective to observe this and point it out to me, which seems to be the case here? :eek: Again, I really don't know if this is your message to me here, or if you were simply expanding upon the error in my posting...

A little clarification would be greatly appreciated (again, pardon my inability to understand your intended message...).

The last thing I would say on the topic of separation after the shift would be this:

In my current level of understanding, it seems the desire to remain attached to loved ones after the shift represents a tether to our current 3D "reality". In my beginning studies of this upcoming shift, I read over and over again that to fully make the shift to 4D, we would have to cut all ties (tethers) with our present reality. Else, we would simply remain in 3D. Its easy to consider this when thinking about our current materialistic addictions and overall ways of living, but, when taken to the next level of leaving "loved ones", becomes quite difficult to accept. I mean, what's the point of making the journey without the ones you love?

I had put this troublesome question aside and focused on getting down to the business of living in the present NOW, and stopped worrying about what all is going to happen in 2012, etc. This released a great deal of anxiety and fostered further interpretation of oneness. However, given the opportunity to express what I consider to be the biggest miracle of all of this (individual awakening), the question of separating from our loved ones did come up, and eventually led to here.

So, there are four options. The first would be that the source material for "cutting ties" was incorrect. The second would be that my interpretation of this source material was incorrect. Or, the third and worst case scenario, is I have been fooled by "shadow elements" into thinking I've been making great progress towards positive polarization, Service to Others, and oneness - when in fact the opposite is being observed from at least one member of the forum. I have a hard time accepting this, but, is worthy of consideration as I trust soup's ability to observe and analyze... :rolleyes:

The four option is that I am way off in my current interpretation of soup's post, and most of this particular post is unnecessary. :o

A little help here please...

Art

soup

07-18-2007, 10:12 PM

...A little clarification would be greatly appreciated (again, pardon my inability to understand your intended message...)...

I think the suggestion of the possibility that people will be "separated" from loved ones in 2012" could contain some truth - in that some may be so negatively polarized that their state may likely distill such experience as being separated from loved ones.

It may be that such negative polarizations limit a person, i.e. it detracts from them developing an appreciation of the illusory nature of such separations.

A supporting image seems of the chaff being separated during a harvest. (That a harvest is now may suggest that a harvest may continue in the now through 2012 and on, difficult to say.)

A counter impression seems that as upon a more positively polarized path, a person may develop a sense of connection to loved ones that goes beyond being in close physical proximity to them.

I commend Art for taking initiative and openly sharing about this difficult subject, thank you. I consider such acts - as those of one on a positive path: helping to write for those that have difficulty so. Sadly, i'm sure there's many ideas like this that never find a voice even though they are fertile for many to grow from.

Sometimes writings can "push buttons" in a way which we better learn what our buttons are and so can shrink them. Maybe buttons can be keys to shadows in that they may trigger subconscious behaviors. In this case, finding one who can push buttons may offer utility - in upleveling such shadows.

In the context of this forum and the sharing of such writings, it may be helpful for some to "not take it personally" as a coping mechanism for the service to others that is rendered in such ways.

Art

07-19-2007, 09:54 AM

In the context of this forum and the sharing of such writings, it may be helpful for some to "not take it personally" as a coping mechanism for the service to others that is rendered in such ways.

Soup,

Thank you for the response - clarification has indeed occurred. I appreciate your response and especially the quoted sentence. Indeed, I have learned a lesson not to read into things so much. :D Thank you for pointing this out.

As one can interpret from my first post to soup, I was a little shaken indeed. Deep down I had a hard time believing what my interpretations were telling me, hence the desire for further clarification.

In the end, discussion of this "topic" of separation is difficult and the use of particular words (or in most cases, omissions of further words - further description) can result in an incomplete (hence, wrong) message being sent.

I believe that the true, unconditional love we have for our loved ones will echo throughout eternity. This is the same love as that of the One, and we can never be separated from it. Imagining the future transformation to 4D seems at times a silly endeavor. If what I have read is true, I will be separated from my physical 3D body, and so will all of you. We hope that our loved ones will join us in the ascension, and if so, they also will be separated from their physical 3D bodies. But, to what? I'd rather not speculate (although I am leaning towards "energy bodies" and "social memory complex"). In this nearly "incomprehensible" future (a 3D mind cannot comprehend 4D "reality"), identity takes on a whole new meaning. We are abandoning the illusion of "separation" and accepting "oneness". So, the concept of identity shifts from the "individual" to the "singular" - all are identical, all are One. All is love.

Hmm... I think this is definitely worthy of further discussion.

In closing, I not only want to apologize to soup, but to everyone in the forum for a needless overreaction. I should have simply asked for clarification (which is all I really wanted) rather than spill out the "drama" in my thoughts for all to see. Hopefully we can take more positive "learnings" from my misunderstanding and subsequent err in judgement.

Art

soup

07-20-2007, 12:12 AM

...As one can interpret from my first post to soup, I was a little shaken indeed. Deep down I had a hard time believing what my interpretations were telling me, hence the desire for further clarification....

This seems an example of what Q'uo alludes to in almost any reading - that if some idea doesn't ressonate well - to be sure and discard it - that there seems propensity for dissonant ideas to act as major stumbling blocks on one's path (which goes against the intent of Q'uo readings.)

Maybe the wording contained in how an idea is shared can have some degree of ambiguity in a way that somehow triggers a feeling of dissonance. i'm sorry if i did that - i'm a bit clumsy and reckless in ways, i'll try to be more careful.

linsybyster

07-23-2007, 11:39 PM

I believe that the true, unconditional love we have for our loved ones will echo throughout eternity. This is the same love as that of the One, and we can never be separated from it. Imagining the future transformation to 4D seems at times a silly endeavor. If what I have read is true, I will be separated from my physical 3D body, and so will all of you. We hope that our loved ones will join us in the ascension, and if so, they also will be separated from their physical 3D bodies. But, to what? I'd rather not speculate (although I am leaning towards "energy bodies" and "social memory complex"). In this nearly "incomprehensible" future (a 3D mind cannot comprehend 4D "reality"), identity takes on a whole new meaning. We are abandoning the illusion of "separation" and accepting "oneness". So, the concept of identity shifts from the "individual" to the "singular" - all are identical, all are One. All is love.

Hmmm, so along this vein...really, we can't be separated from those we love, right? Because we are the SAME as the ones we love... and everyone else. We will actually completely merge with everything and everyone (although not really merge so much, because we've never been separate... but I guess realize our connection fully) and therefore be fully one with our loved ones. We are all one and the same and at that point we still will be, but without physical barriers...

linsybyster

07-23-2007, 11:42 PM

I don't "pity" those who are still "asleep", but rather am excited for them, maybe even a little jealous, for as this "oneness movement" becomes more mainstream, people will be talking face to face in coffee shops, not just in internet forums... They won't feel isolated, and if the atmosphere for spiritual conversation is a fraction of what it is here, great things are sure to happen at a must faster pace, on a much wider scale. Oh I can see it now!
You'll be glad to hear this is already happening! People all around me are discussing these things - at playgroup (I'm a mom of a toddler), online (Facebook), with friends and family and almost-strangers. It is quite amazing. I know it's not happening everywhere, but surely it will spread! I am currently dreaming of gathering all my like-minded acquaintances at my house for likely coffee dates to share what we have learned! Attendees could invite other interested parties - I could see it growing exponentially! Wouldn't that be amazing?

Michelle

07-25-2007, 08:40 AM

That Reading was a great gift of new information for me! I particularly got alot out of the discussion on exchanges of energy that take place during an argument,etc.., I had been wondering about just that thing, and so that answered a great question for me. There was also a couple of questions I have been working on inside that just happened to part of that reading.., I was like, "wow, thanks, thats just what I wanted to know"..:)

Peace,
michelle

Boomer Markie

09-20-2007, 12:56 PM

I have listened to the Free 7-11-7 Reading at least 2 dozen times and I still get more out of it every time I listen. There are a few details about which I can't help but wonder...
The thing about "your ESP ability can increase by up to four hundred percent" when aligned with the galactic center: I'm wondering for how long? Just for that exact instant? Does the effect build up and then fade over a period of time? Like 10 minutes? a half hour??
The thing about "There were experiments in which salt and pepper was stored in the pyramids" makes me wonder how long the salt and pepper were stored? Does just a minute or two suffice to change the vibrational level?
And the thing about "Studies have shown you that several thousand people meditating under one roof" makes me wonder how long they meditated to have all that beneficial effects like "seventy-two percent of acts of terrorism were reduced" and the "fatalities and domestic violence" being reduced...
also wondering where these statistics came from? (My sister suggested they may have come from the TM website).

-Markie

aqcheryl

04-09-2009, 07:09 PM

I just read this blog from David:
http://divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=301&Itemid=70

and according to the way Im reading it, we will not have to worry about being separated from our loved ones, we all will 'reload the matrix' so to speak. Some of us will not realize, and those of us who do realize will still come back and reload the matrix, just we will retain the higher knowledge and help others.

Purple Dragon

04-09-2009, 09:19 PM

I just read this blog from David:we will not have to worry about being separated from our loved ones, we all will 'reload the matrix' so to speak.

We should never have to worry, as we always have the choice to worry. We are all one, and so how would we ever be separated? Ra seems to say that there are group's of minds just as there are individuals, so it sounds like we will first become one as a planet, and then branch out from there.

Maybe after we are one as a planet we become one as a solar system.. universe.. and so on until this octave all becomes one and we move to the next, and begin another journey of love & light?

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 05:01 AM

We should never have to worry, as we always have the choice to worry. We are all one, and so how would we ever be separated? Ra seems to say that there are group's of minds just as there are individuals, so it sounds like we will first become one as a planet, and then branch out from there.

Maybe after we are one as a planet we become one as a solar system.. universe.. and so on until this octave all becomes one and we move to the next, and begin another journey of love & light?

At the same time, we do have to acknowledge our fears. As you state (and I completely agree), no one should fear ascension - but its not so simple to say we are all connected and leave it at that, because the answer is a bit more complex. And that answer [accepting the separation as we are all one anyways] is more applicable when we obtain the level that we take the word 'self' out of 'self-aware'. My impression is this will either be 7d or 8d... were not there yet :)

4d is when we collectively come to love as a whole, but in 3d we still understand and can access and implement this universal love as individuals. Does it mean we want to, or can handle being torn from our loved ones?

It is not wrong to love your loved ones more than you do your neighbor - because its a different kind of love. Love is not bland, it does not have one flavor. It is unique, it has many faces, and many facets, like a crystal. So we dont love our neighbors any less, either. We just love them on a different level as opposed to our loved ones.
> = < <---that them there being math symbols not 'lol'ology :D

Like grains of sand, we are one, we are a whole, but yet we are impacted and close to those directly next to us. And thats why, when theres confusion about what ascension is with the knowledge we do have, it can cause fear, and that fear must be respected and acknowledged with an answer specific to that concern, otherwise any other answer will not be respected, and fear will remain. This was one of my fears, and because the answer again is not so simple as to accept it [separation], the fear was not going away.

It was not until I found that in David's blog that the fear left, and for the first time I felt peace.

So so far, from what I have already learned, is that the astral plane we connect to in meditation, etc... is not 4d, but kind of like a median... or gateway even, to 4d. And those of 4d have the same thing that connects them to 5d, and so on and so forth.
What this means is we will still be meditating in 4d, and learning :)

Our next progression is that of love(the one after, of knowledge, and then 6d a combo), and with that comes unity of that love. Sounds like a fiesta <totally innocent :D I swear!> ::ahem::

bwahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa

Truth180

07-17-2009, 06:28 PM

Does anyone else here think about the aftertime. After these changes come and go. I mean earth changes that may happen. Especially those with children who are concernced. We can become more spiritual and not think about these 3D changes, but as myself with kids cannot help but not think about thier future even though everyone dies at some point. I feel to think about the future in the aftertime without laws and living a free life without money. After a while meeting good people who want nothing but the best of things no matter the out come. People who are truthful and mean well. When we remove all the material things we see the good in people I think and is a great oppurtunity to serve others in need. :)

Fortyball

11-26-2009, 08:34 PM

considering there is a quickening of timehappening, and our bodies have completely new cells every 7 or so years then definatlely it is possible that we do/will regenerate our cells much quicker and will continue to do so at an accelerating speed.
very interesting point you raised....