Global Warming

[Larry Seyer]

found an interesting article today about global warming and the supreme court... thought i would share.

here is the article link:

http://abcnews.go.com/politics/story?id=3000959&page=1

here is some of the article:

for the first time in its history, the u.s. supreme court has waded into the political debate on global warming.

under the bush administration, the environmental protection agency or epa has argued that carbon dioxide and the like aren't pollutants under the clean air act, and therefore, the agency has no power to regulate them.

in a sweeping 5-4 decision released monday, the supreme court rejected that position, declaring that clean air act gives the environmental protection agency the authority to regulate the emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from cars.

supreme court justice john paul stevens wrote the majority opinion, and was joined by justices anthony kennedy, david souter, ruth bader ginsburg and stephen breyer.

the supreme court majority decided us motor-vehicle emissions make a "meaningful contribution to greenhouse gas concentrations" and hence, to global warming.
...

the automotive industry, which stands to be affected the most by any change in government regulation, reacted favorably today, arguing the ruling may be good for automakers in the long run.

...

dissenters of the supreme court decision included some of the more conservative justices, including justices scalia, clarence thomas, samuel alito and chief justice john roberts.

...


the supreme court had three questions before it: do states have the right to sue the epa to challenge its decision? does the clean air act give epa the authority to regulate tailpipe emissions of greenhouse gases? does epa have the discretion not to regulate those emissions?

the court said 'yes' to the first two questions and, on the third, it ordered epa to re-evaluate its contention it has the discretion not to regulate tailpipe emissions.

the court said the agency has so far provided a "laundry list'" of reasons that include foreign policy considerations and added that the epa must tie its rationale more closely to the clean air act.

[David Wilcock]

i just saw this one myself, earlier today... it gives us even more leverage when we finish off the upcoming "global warming" piece. now it's a legal fact, at the highest court level in the us, that climate change is real. this is a valuable step in helping break people's incredible denial that "nothing much has changed" on earth other than the "global war on terror" after 9/11...

oh, wait, now that term can't be used either...

it's still going to get a lot more interesting. now that iran has freed the 15 hostages, any pending attack on them will have to be called off to save political face. you may not like 'em but you've got to admit it's a good thing they did it... we definitely do not need another major war right now. :)

- david

[Elmer]

isn't it crazy that the agency that has "protect" and "environment" in their name has to be forced to enact greenhouse emissions standards?

when the auto industry is begging for regulation you know things have gone too far.

elmer

[David Wilcock]

in regards to what i just wrote above, i found this very interesting, as it was posted on april 2nd:

http://www.tbrnews.org/archives/a2660.htm

"we have israeli liaison officers here who still are hoping that bush will attack iran but it won’t happen in spite of the flood of “leaked” propaganda about “massing troops” and other such childish lies. we haven’t got the manpower and the iranians have all kinds of deadly russian missiles. if we moved a naval task force into the gulf, they would pick our carriers off like a cat in a cage. much threatening about attacks because of the captured brits but we all know the iranians will eventually release them, unharmed, when they make their point. were they in iranian waters? no one knows as borders are so screwed up that anything is possible."

this is yet another case where tbrnews' sources were proven right... and i'm happy because i just found my missing sock behind the ironing board! </nonsequitur>

- david

[Mozart]

and i'm happy because i just found my missing sock behind the ironing board! </nonsequitur>

- david


...go to war with iran--to retrieve the one stolen sock that the wacky iranians stole from each of the 15 british solders. yup, that's the reason.:p ya know how mad people get when they can't find a missing sock.


i find it interesting that this "hostage" scenario lasted 13 days of captivity. hmmm, stage-managing, i think. i've seen pictures of ahmadinejad holding up the index finger and the pinky fingers on both hands in the classic illoonynaughties' symbolism (as well as the shrub, as well as nearly every other "leader" of the world's countries); the odds are very high that he's just following the orders of the illoonynaughties.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.physorg.com/news94910984.html

be well, be love.

david

global warming hits mars too: study discussion at physorgforum
mars

global warming could be heating mars four times faster than earth due to a mutually reinforcing interplay of wind-swept dust and changes in reflected heat from the sun, according a study released wednesday.

scientists have long observed a correlation on mars between its fluctuating temperatures -- which range from -87 c to - 5 c (-125 f to 23 f) depending on the season and the location -- and the darkening or lightening of swathes of the planet's surface.

the explanation is in the dirt.

glistening martian dust lying on the ground reflects the sun's light -- and its heat -- back into space, a phenomenon called albedo.

but when this reddish dust is churned up by violent winds, the storm-ravaged surface loses its reflective qualities and more of the sun's heat is absorbed into the atmosphere, causing temperatures to rise.

the study, published on thursday by the british journal nature, shows for the first time that these variations not only result from the storms but help cause them too.

it also suggests that short-term climate change is currently occurring on mars and at a much faster rate than on earth.

[David Wilcock]

yes, i saw this and intend to use it as a recent update in the hoagland article. they're trying to blame the warming on 'dark matter,' if you will, but that still can't fully account for it.

i'm starting to think we need a "new science" category so general discussions can remain more... well, general. i don't know if we can move posts to a different category once we've created it, but this would be something we could do now before it gets a lot bigger.

the david's blogs can be discussed in divine cosmos, we have the law of one forum, the 2012 databank, we create new science, and that should cover us... larry?

- david

[Jivatman]

well, just because of my own personal inclinations, i think we'd also do well with a astrology/myth/gnosticism/dream section... as these things don't seem to fit particularly well into any of the other categories. i'm not sure if there would be a lot of people interested in them or not, but do realize that you, at least, do write a lot about this type of thing already, such as in your comparisons of the crashing website with christ.

on a related note, i've had a few realizations lately, one of particular strength that i've had is the realization of how amazingly well the cardinal/fixed/mutable signs go along with the father/son/holy spirit. anybody who knows about the qualities in astrology should immediately realize how strong a connection there is when pointed this out... and, from the perspective of "numeronomy", three is usually a divine number. four is usually considered a number of earth, considering it is of the earthly elements. 3+4 a very common way to show the union of earth/heaven, is seven.

this, and i've been reading about gnosticism. i have a particularly strong connection with the gospel of thomas, and i feel that the quote from it,

"7. jesus said, "lucky is the lion that the human will eat, so that the lion becomes human. and foul is the human that the lion will eat, and the lion still will become human.""

has something to do with astrology, as the lion is obviously leo, and the human is aquarius... although it may be simply that leo=culture and the human=invention or individuality (a theory suggested by some, by analyzing symbolism of the time) which are the symbolism of the signs, anyhow...

also;

"19. jesus said, "congratulations to the one who came into being before coming into being.

if you become my disciples and pay attention to my sayings, these stones will serve you.

for there are five trees in paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. whoever knows them will not taste death.""


makes me wonder what the five trees are... i've looked this up but really not gotten any good answers.

there are many other quotes from this gospel that interest me too, but i don't want to crowd up this post any more than it already is.

[Mozart]

group,

not often does anybody beat light eye in posting the latest scientific articles, so forgive me if i missed any post (i checked the posting log) with this interesting article...

http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/05/global-warming-on-jupiter.html

...that describes the on-going (and accelerating) global warming that is happening, not only on the planets of our solar system, but on many moons of a number of our planets as well. it's exciting information to get all warmed-up over.

any suvs on any of those planets? :p

~seth

[mod: this appears to be the article from prison planet, which is already in the upcoming article for hoagland's website. unfortunately, we never got credit in this article for being first...]

[David Wilcock]

i chose to moderate a few posts this morning and now i've stepped in it... actually this is a new piece of research! well done... good find!

this is the first person outside prison planet and the national geographic article to start pointing out interplanetary climate change. it's still fairly lightweight compared to what i did with hoagland, but nonetheless it shows progress.

very soon we need to get the interplanetary climate change databank up on this site... so each time a new finding comes out, we can update it in real time, and have everything all in one central location.

- david

[LightEye]

actually i did see this several days ago and decided not to post it because if you check out the date it was written in may 2006.

be well, be love.

david

[LightEye]

now this is strange...

when i posted my reply it was at 11:11 and now it's at 8:11

[Mozart]

for there are five trees in paradise for you; they do not change, summer or winter, and their leaves do not fall. whoever knows them will not taste death.""

makes me wonder what the five trees are... i've looked this up but really not gotten any good answers.




interesting.


i wonder if those "five trees" are the five platonic solids that create all of structured reality as we know it? like trees, the platonic structures create the structures of life, without which life would not become manifest. if one discovers the secret of life, it stands to reason that one can learn to transcend the inherent limitations of 3-d, yes?


yea, i'd like to see a science section to be added to this forum, too.

[charran]

perhaps one of them is the tree of life. not sure what the other 4 might be. interesting question.

charran

[David Wilcock]

it says 11:11 over here... you might be having a time-zone problem.

in the future, if you see something that relevant, even if it's a bit dated, post it anyway... these types of data are good to have on hand.

thanks!

- david

[David Wilcock]

the "five trees" could very well be platonic-related, because if you go back and read the convergence series, particularly the last chapter in the science of oneness, you'll see how the axis of the spherical torus that runs through the center of each shape looks like a tree trunk, and ancient shamans saw it that way when traveling out of body...

- david

[remembering]

hello,

i just would like to say, i am new to your site and i am finding it to resonate with much within my own personal truths!


namaste,
tim

[LightEye]

dear friends,

phil is well,...

phil.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/

be well, be love.

david

is global warming solar induced?

there is some news making the rounds that earth is not the only planet experiencing global warming. mars, for example, possibly appears to be getting a bit warmer, as are jupiter, neptune’s moon triton, and even pluto.

could this mean that global warming is caused by the sun and not man’s pollution?

[charran]

perhaps the warming of the planets in our solar system is caused by 3 different things (some to a greater degree than others)?

(1) a gallactic energy wave that is currently hitting our solar system like clockwork (as predicted by the mayans). this wave affects everything in the solar system including our sun...as it is in the electomagnetic circuit of this energy wave.

(2) our sun with its own cycle that we are only now truly learning about.

(3) humans....on earth primarily...but also through the sun (and other planets) via our sunspot creations (since in the edgar cayce readings it states we are creators of sunspots). we do have a definite and real effect on our earth and have a responsibility to clean up our physical, mental and emotional environment. while we may not be as large or a strong as the gallactic energy wave, we must consider our role in how we affect the universe (and also how it affects us).

charran

all time is measured in the sun --- w. d. gann

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.mondovista.com/globaldimming.html

the earth is getting dimmer!

we are all seeing rather less of the sun. scientists looking at five decades of sunlight measurements have reached the disturbing conclusion that the amount of solar energy reaching the earth's surface has been gradually falling. paradoxically, the decline in sunlight may mean that global warming is a far greater threat to society than previously thought.

the effect was first spotted by gerry stanhill, an english scientist working in israel. comparing israeli sunlight records from the 1950s with current ones, stanhill was astonished to find a large fall in solar radiation. "there was a staggering 22% drop in the sunlight, and that really amazed me," he says.

intrigued, he searched out records from all around the world, and found the same story almost everywhere he looked, with sunlight falling by 10% over the usa, nearly 30% in parts of the former soviet union, and even by 16% in parts of the british isles. although the effect varied greatly from place to place, overall the decline amounted to 1-2% globally per decade between the 1950s and the 1990s.

gerry called the phenomenon global dimming, but his research, published in 2001, met with a sceptical response from other scientists. it was only recently, when his conclusions were confirmed by australian scientists using a completely different method to estimate solar radiation, that climate scientists at last woke up to the reality of global dimming.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?fuseaction=minority.blogs&contentrecord_id=927b9303-802a-23ad-494b-dccb00b51a12&region_id=&issue_id

be well, be love.

david

climate momentum shifting: prominent scientists reverse belief in man-made global warming - now skeptics

growing number of scientists convert to skeptics after reviewing new research

following the u.s. senate's vote today on a global warming measure (see today's ap article: senate defeats climate change measure,) it is an opportune time to examine the recent and quite remarkable momentum shift taking place in climate science. many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have recently reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics. the names included below are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out recently to oppose former vice president al gore, the united nations, and the media driven “consensus” on man-made global warming.

the list below is just the tip of the iceberg. a more detailed and comprehensive sampling of scientists who have only recently spoken out against climate hysteria will be forthcoming in a soon to be released u.s. senate report. please stay tuned to this website, as this new government report is set to redefine the current climate debate.

in the meantime, please review the list of scientists below and ask yourself why the media is missing one of the biggest stories in climate of 2007. feel free to distribute the partial list of scientists who recently converted to skeptics to your local schools and universities. the voices of rank and file scientists opposing climate doomsayers can serve as a counter to the alarmism that children are being exposed to on a daily basis. (see washington post april 16, 2007 article about kids fearing of a “climactic armageddon” )

the media's climate fear factor seemingly grows louder even as the latest science grows less and less alarming by the day. (see der spiegel may 7, 2007 article: not the end of the world as we know it ) it is also worth noting that the proponents of climate fears are increasingly attempting to suppress dissent by skeptics. (see upi may 10, 2007 article: u.n. official says it's 'completely immoral' to doubt global warming fears )

[eyez4096]

having watched some of the debates on cspan about this issue, i must say that this issue is horribly victimized by logically fallacious arguments.

furthermore, all too often language is used to suggest that either man is responsible for global warming or he isn't. either co2 is totally responsible or natural climate fluctuations are totally responsible.... has anyone considered that man may be exacerbating natural phenomena to degrees surpassing natural results? this simply isn't discussed and instead this type of viewpoint is regarded as becoming a skeptic and therefor believing man is not responsible at all...

it all smells like bull feces to me.

-charles

[jeremy6d]

good point, charles. afaik this is precisely the wilcock line: that the earth's natural reactions to the entry of fourth density is the first order cause, with anthropogenic factors taking a second-order role.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyid=10571499

be well, be love.

david

nasa chief questions urgency of global warming

morning edition, may 31, 2007 · nasa administrator michael griffin defends the space agency's programs, including plans for a permanent moon base and manned missions to mars. he also says that while nasa studies climate change, the agency has no authorization to "take actions to affect climate change in either one way or another."

the following are excerpts from griffin's conversation with steve inskeep, edited for clarity:

it has been mentioned that nasa is not spending as much money as it could to study climate change — global warming — from space. are you concerned about global warming?

i'm aware that global warming exists. i understand that the bulk of scientific evidence accumulated supports the claim that we've had about a one degree centigrade rise in temperature over the last century to within an accuracy of 20 percent. i'm also aware of recent findings that appear to have nailed down — pretty well nailed down the conclusion that much of that is manmade. whether that is a longterm concern or not, i can't say.

[soup]

i wonder what that 20% accuracy refers to. my impression is that the 20% refers to the temperature and not the deviation. i wouldn't be surprised if it refers to the temperature in kelvin because it baffles me as to how they arrive at a point of assigning a single temperature to a planet. it would seem more meaninful to share the estimated distribution of temperature samples (per some unit of area) and share a more complete picture of how such a distribution seems to change over time.

some say that the ice caps are melting. so this might tend to move the low end of the distribution toward the warm. maybe the oceans are cooling from all that melted ice. this might bring the ocean contribution toward the cool. so the net mean temperature moves 1 degree to the warm - is that what they mean?

maybe a more interesting question might be, "why is the ice melting?" is it because the atmosphere is thinner in a way more sunlight gets through, or is the air warmer because of some green house gas effect, or has the angular momentum of the earth increased by some hyperdimensional effect causing internal warming from the core? maybe the penguin population is up and that causes the ice to melt from all the waddling around they do.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

food for thought...

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/06/may-2007-was-035-c-cooler-than-january.html

be well, be love.

david

may 2007 was 0.35 c cooler than january 2007

uah data show that may 2007 was 0.35 celsius degrees cooler than january 2007. this temperature difference equals to the hypothetical global warming trend predicted for two or three decades. nature is nevertheless able to make such a change within four months. have you noticed that the earth was 0.35 c cooler than in january? i have not. moreover, i can show you that you couldn't have either. may 2007 was also cooler than september 1980 and many other months when you were much younger.

[soup]

this might relate to the idea that the change in the temperature distribution may give a more complete picture of what's happening than a single figure average of the distribution. for example, the ocean surfaces seem largely uninhabited and yet may cover a significant portion of the earth's surface area. a temperature distribution may give better indication of how the ocean surface temperatures are changing over time. why do global warming statistics often omit such temperature distributions, could part of that be due to the case where the uncertainty in the average figure is much higher than the temperature changes being reported?

[eyez4096]

because your average scientist is too concerned with statistics which can be used as splash-screen-type-advertisements than with accurately portraying data. i drilled one of my professors in a global sustainability class about his own research which treated a huge lake with multiple tributaries and exits as a "mixing tank" with one composite entrance and one composite exit. his answer to why he didn't treat a spatial dimension with differential mixing and space-dependent exit rates (evaporation/settling) was simply that it was "too complex for the insignificant amount of extra precision which could be accounted for by an error factor"...... my response: his system was a fantasy and any data it produced could not be taken seriously. i still managed to get an a in his class....

-charles

[Avocet]

not many sunspots in may 2007, were there? virtually none, as i recall.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more food for thought...

http://motls.blogspot.com/2007/06/dirty-snow-behind-20-of-warming.html

be well, be love.

david

dirty snow behind 20% of warming

according to an american team of climate modelers and their peer-reviewed article in journal of geophysical research, about 0.1-0.15 celsius degrees of warming in the last two centuries is due to dirty snow (news.google.com)

which is up to 19% of the "global" warming. the effect is strongest in the arctic. they argue that 0.5c out of 1.6c warming in the arctic (one third) should be attributed to dirty snow i.e. snow polluted by even small amounts of black carbon: 80% of this black carbon comes from human activity. in the arctic region itself, dirty snow would thus have the same impact as the enhanced greenhouse effect

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

here is a study comparing the effects of solar, cosmic and how each correlate to the other in the whole picture, there are other interrelated articles on the subject above the article and also a list of others to the left side. be at peace with yourself and others donald

http://www.biocab.org/cosmic_rays_climate_change.html

the graph of the oscillations in the tropospheric temperature was reproduced from the daily reports of noaa/nasa. i have reproduced both graphs accurately, so you can see that the factual correlation between the interstellar cosmic rays and the "global warming" is based on facts.



each peak of energy released in the shock bow corresponds, with a high degree of accuracy, to an elevation in the variability of the terrestrial atmosphere temperature, and most of the decreases in the energy released in the shock bow correspond to a trough in the line representing the earth’s tropospheric temperature. there are some regions of the graph where apparently do not correspond with the variability of the terrestrial tropospheric temperature; this obeys to the interference produced by the solar activity, which propels gigantic regions of magnetism right through the sunspots maximums that protect the earth, so from the excesses of intergalactic cosmic radiation as from the local solar wind. however, we lack the whole protection by the periods of minimums in sunspots.



the solar system is moving in an orbit around the milky way at a speed of 217.22 km/s. the solar system completes one lap around the milky way each 226 million years. ther is another swinging movement of the solar system inward and outward the center of the galaxy; by this movement, the solar system advances 1,728,000 km per day through the cold space. this is the 8,593.75 fraction of the whole distance from the earth to the solar system’s bow shock. a cold particle of the intergalactic cosmic radiation would cross this distance in 1.2 hours.



the negative amplitudes are higher than the positive amplitudes from june 2003 to january 2006 -taken the standard line (red dashed line); the last means that, from june 2003 to date (february 2007), there has been a cooling rather than a warming.



the present variability in the tropospheric temperature of earth is directly attributable to the instability of the intensity of icr, which include he++ and h+ nucleons and electrons. the long and the short intervals match unexpectedly.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

somewhat old, but...

http://seoblackhat.com/2007/03/04/global-warming-on-mars-pluto-triton-and-jupiter/

be well, be love.

david

global warming on mars, pluto, triton and jupiter

global warming on mars, pluto, triton and jupiter strongly points towards the sun or some other cosmic force being the cause of the recent global warming on earth.

global warming on mars, pluto, triton and jupitermarch
4th

2007 comments below from national geographic:

“habibullo abdussamatov, head of the st. petersburg’s pulkovo astronomical observatory in russia, says the mars data is evidence that the current global warming on earth is being caused by changes in the sun.“

from mit on pluto

“the average surface temperature of the nitrogen ice on pluto has increased slightly less than 2 degrees celsius over the past 14 years.”

since pluto is moving further away from the sun and continuing to warm despite that fact, it indicates that something doesn’t fit into “solar constant” dismissal theories.

from space.com on jupiter:

“the latest images could provide evidence that jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees fahrenheit on different parts of the globe.”

from mit on triton:

“at least since 1989, triton has been undergoing a period of global warming. percentage-wise, it’s a very large increase,” said elliot, professor of earth, atmospheric and planetary sciences and director of the wallace astrophysical observatory. the 5 percent increase on the absolute temperature scale from about minus-392 degrees fahrenheit to about minus-389 degrees fahrenheit would be like the earth experiencing a jump of about 22 degrees fahrenheit.”

so there is global warming on at least 4 other bodies in our solar system that co-insides with the recent warming on earth. doesn’t this point strongly towards the sun or some other cosmic force as the cause?

on the origin of the runaway global warming theory of co2 feedback and venus (pdf):

“why is the albedo of venus important? when the albedo is at 0.80, the global warming theory falls apart. . .

the carbon dioxide levels on earth have risen from approximately 0.028% to 0.036% in the last few decades. it is a major stretch to compare this with venus at a 96.500% carbon dioxide level and promote an uncontrollable runaway condition. earth in its early history, 385 million years ago, had an atmosphere with 10 times the present carbon dioxide levels. those elevated levels did not produce runaway global warming then, so why should we theorize that it would today?”

pre-conceived agendas and a scorched earth policy of accusing any critics of complicity with big oil or the republican party impedes the scientific process. likening people who do not agree with doomsday anthropogenic global warming theories to holocaust deniers does not get us closer to the truth. in science, when did “skeptic” become such a bad word?

[theodorepong]

"likening people who do not agree with doomsday anthropogenic global warming theories to holocaust deniers does not get us closer to the truth. in science, when did “skeptic” become such a bad word?"

i thoroughly agree.

at the risk of appearing "conspiratorial", i think this global warming is just one more non-issue, among many non-issues, all of which are used deliberately by powerful factions, in order to keep us, the people, too busy fighting among ourselves to see what is really going on.

just to mention a few more of these major non-issues, we see abortion rights vs right to life, darwin vs creation, religion vs science, republican vs democrat, gun control vs second amendment, ama vs wholistic healing, and many others i can't think of at the moment.

as for al gore, and his inconvenient "truth" (quotes mine), i suspect he is being paid off big time by the very same faction that is funding arguments that deny any evidence of any global warming at all.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

doh!

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=1726

be well, be love.

david

unprecedented warmth in sweden
by steve mcintyre

sweden has been reporting warmth in june that is unprecedented in a milllll-yun years

pictures from sweden’s newspapers show the extent to which continental glaciation has receded.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://rinf.com/alt-news/environmental-news/new-report-challenges-basic-assumptions-about-climate-change/528/

here's andrew's site;

http://www.checktheevidence.com/chemtrails/

be well, be love.

david

new report challenges basic assumptions about climate change

a new report has been published which challenges certain basic assumptions about climate change. the report has been written by an independent lay researcher, and is backed by over 20 signatories from diverse backgrounds. the report presents significant ground-based and space-based data which indicates that ongoing illegal and unacknowledged aerosol spraying from aircraft could be affecting our climate. copies of the report have been sent to greenpeace, the civil aviation authority, the royal air force and defra, challenging them to investigate the data themselves.

an independent lay researcher, with a background in software engineering, from derbyshire, uk, has published a new report which documents ongoing illegal aerosol spraying activities which could be affecting our climate, our health or both. this activity can be seen in multiple, repeated instances of persistent aircraft trails across our skies.

andrew johnson said that, like most other people, he assumed, for many years, that the trails were just ordinary vapour trails (called ‘contrails’).

“in 2004, i began to notice that these trails did not behave like contrails at all. then, on 10th june 2005, i witnessed a grid of aircraft trails right outside my window, just before sunset,” andrew has included copies of 2 photographs of this ‘grid’ in the report. “i sent the picture to the local paper and they published it. i also had it published on a popular website in the usa and i received quite a number of e-mail responses to the picture. most of the responses described my picture as being of a grid of ‘chemtrails’ and quite a few people sent me similar pictures they had taken.” andrew then decided to write an article about this ‘grid’ picture and what the background to it seemed to be. the article was published, online, in september 2005 on the website of phenomena magazine.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/comment/story.html?id=bdc24964-7f82-4f7a-863c-f0ff43010278

be well, be love

david

forget warming - beware the new ice age
lawrence solomon, financial post
published: friday, june 15, 2007

in the 1970s, leading scientists claimed that the world was threatened by an era of global cooling.

based on what we've learned this decade, says george kukla, those scientists - and he was among them -- had it right. the world is about to enter another ice age.

dr. kukla, in 1972 a member of the czechoslovakian academy of sciences and a pioneer in the field of astronomical forcing, became a central figure in convincing the united states government to take the dangers of climate change seriously. in january of that year, he and another geologist, robert matthews of brown university, convened what would become a historic conference of top european and american investigators in providence, r.i. the working conference's theme: "the present interglacial: how and when will it end?"

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/the-discover-interview-henrik-svensmark

be well, be love.

david

sun's shifts may cause global warming
his studies show that natural variations in the sun plays a major role in global warming. so are humans off the hook? and if so, why does he use compact fluorescent lightbulbs?
by marion long

most leading climate experts don’t agree with henrik svensmark, the 49-year-old director of the center for sun-climate research at the danish national space center in copenhagen. in fact, he has taken a lot of blows for proposing that solar activity and cosmic rays are instrumental in determining the warming (and cooling) of earth. his studies show that cosmic rays trigger cloud formation, suggesting that a high level of solar activity—which suppresses the flow of cosmic rays striking the atmosphere—could result in fewer clouds and a warmer planet. this, svensmark contends, could account for most of the warming during the last century. does this mean that carbon dioxide is less important than we’ve been led to believe? yes, he says, but how much less is impossible to know because climate models are so limited.

there is probably no greater scientific heresy today than questioning the warming role of co2, especially in the wake of the report issued by the united nations intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc). that report warned that nations must cut back on greenhouse gas emissions, and insisted that “unless drastic action is taken . . . millions of poor people will suffer from hunger, thirst, floods, and disease.” as astrophysicist ?eugene parker, the discoverer of solar wind, writes in the foreword to svensmark’s new book, the chilling stars: a new theory of climate change, “global warming has become a political issue both in government and in the scientific community. the scientific lines have been drawn by ‘eminent’ scientists, and an important new idea is an unwelcome intruder. it upsets the established orthodoxy.”

we talked with the unexpectedly modest and soft-spoken henrik svensmark about his work, the criticism it has received, and truth versus hype in climate science.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.abc.net.au/westqld/stories/s1971899.htm?backyard

be well, be love.

david

global warming: it's not caused by greenhouse gases says academic
last update: friday, july 6, 2007. 3:57pm aest
by julia harris

an australian academic has spoken out against the popular view that global warming is caused by greenhouse gas emissions. he believes that global warming and climate change are caused by cycles in the sun's electro-magnetic radiation. he says scientists are taking a narrow view and politicians are making policy with the wrong information.

emeritus professor lance endersbee ao is a former dean of engineering and pro-vice chancellor of monash university. he told tom harwood, abc western queensland's morning program producer that the world has been warming naturally due to increased magnetic radiation from the sun.

...people were able to travel from london up the river on sleighs - so it was a different climate

"one thousand years ago the vikings were in greenland, and they settled there and it was a warm period, known as the medieval warm period and europe was prosperous," he said. "and then from about 1300 on it got progressively colder and in the time of the 1600s it was terribly cold in europe. finland lost about one-third of their population and the thames froze over regularly every year and people were able to travel from london up the river on sleighs - so it was a different climate," explained professor endersbee.

he said since about 1700 the earth has been getting progressively warmer. "it's shown in what we call the sunspot records. the sun is also emitting a great deal of electro-magnetic radiation and nowadays with nasa we can see that more plainly on the surface of the sun."

the professor says that the incredible thing is that the electro-magnetic radiation from the sun varies up and down over an eleven year cycle. "and every eleven years there's a change in the electrical polarity of the sun."

[LightEye]

dear friends,

doh! really hate when his happens. ;-)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2007/090707closertosun.htm

i don't know if this should be something for the top numbskull awards, but considering it's coming from a rothschild it's worth posting. obviously all that money doesn't equal to an ounce of brainmass.

be well, be love.

david

top global warming advocate: jupiter & saturn closer to sun than earth
live earth kingpin dismantles his own credibility on national radio as propaganda bandwagon is massive flop

paul joseph watson
prison planet
monday, july 9, 2007


live earth's half empty stadiums and lackluster tv viewing figures were preceded by another embarrassment after one of the propaganda bandwagon's kingpins and a top global warming advocate responded to a question about solar-system wide climate change by claiming that jupiter, mars and saturn were closer to the sun than earth.

david mayer de rothschild is the youngest child (born 1978) of sir evelyn de rothschild, of the british wing of the rothschild banking family.

rothschild's recent book, 77 essential skills to stop climate changes, calls for ordinary people to limit outward behavior and even work at home and was used as part of the pr blitz to accompany the live earth project.

appearing on the alex jones show this past friday, rothschild reacted to a point about massive climate change at every point of the solar system and its relation to natural sun cycles by claiming mars, saturn and jupiter were closer to the sun than earth!

here's a brief transcript of the exchange.

alex jones: "the polar icecaps of mars are receding at several miles a year, much faster than ours and that the moons of saturn and jupiter are melting, in fact several of their moons were ice and are now liquid seas - how are suv's causing that david rothschild?

rothschild: "because those planets are closer to the sun, my friend."

alex jones: "no, jupiter and saturn are not closer to the sun and neither is mars."

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2007/07/15/do1508.xml

this is response to this article;

'no sun link' to climate change

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6290228.stm

be well, be love.

david

the truth is, we can't ignore the sun
by david whitehouse
last updated: 12:01am bst 15/07/2007

according to the headlines last week, the sun is not to blame for recent global warming: mankind and fossil fuels are. so al gore is correct when he said, "the scientific data is in. there is no more debate."

of that the evangelical bbc had no doubt. there was an air of triumphalism in its coverage of the report by the royal society.

it was perhaps a reaction to the bbc trust's recent criticism of the corporation's bias when reporting climate change: but sadly, it only proved the point made by the trust.

the bbc was enthusiastically one-sided, sloppy and confused on its website, using concepts such as the sun's power, output and magnetic field incorrectly and interchangeably, as well as not including any criticism of the research.

but there is a deeper and more worrying issue. last week's research is a simple piece of science and fundamentally flawed. nobody looked beyond the hype; if they had, they would have reached a different conclusion.

the report argues that while the sun had a significant effect on climate during most of the 20th century, its influence is currently dwarfed by human effects. it says that all known solar influences since about 1990 are downward and because global temperature has increased since then, the sun is not responsible.

no. the research could prove the contrary. using the global temperature data endorsed by the inter-national panel on climate change, one can reach a completely different conclusion.

recently the united states' national oceanographic and atmospheric administration said that 2006 was statistically indistinguishable from previous years.

looking at annual global temperatures, it is apparent that the last decade shows no warming trend and recent successive annual global temperatures are well within each year's measurement errors. statistically the world's temperature is flat.

the world certainly warmed between 1975 and 1998, but in the past 10 years it has not been increasing at the rate it did. no scientist could honestly look at global temperatures over the past decade and see a rising curve.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.metatech.org/07/ice_age_global_warming.html

be well, be love.

david

global warming will cause - the coming ice age

are we having global warming or are we going into an ice age? the truth is:

we are not the cause of global warming. somewhere between 85% and 95% of greenhouse gases are water vapor.

at most, only 3% of the carbon dioxide (co2) in the air results from human activity.

the amount of co2 presently in the air absorbs nearly all available radiation at its peaks of 2.7, 4.3 and 15 µm; so more co2 cannot absorb more radiation.

17,000 (seventeen thousand!) scientists signed a petition saying humans producing co2 is not the cause of global warming.

the 30% increase in atmospheric co2 over the past 100 years is from oceans releasing co2 because they are heating up. oceans heat the air, not the other way around.

the oceans are heating because of undersea volcanoes, because of the movement of the earth's crust. scientists recently discovered over 1,100 volcanoes near easter island! some are huge - over 1.5 miles high. and we have only mapped 5% of the ocean so far! scientists estimate there are three million undersea volcanoes.

most of us were taught in school that there was only one big ice age. since that time, much new information has been learned. we have in fact had hundreds of ice ages. many of them were "mini" ice ages, where most of europe and the north american continent were covered in thousands of feet of ice all year round. however, at those times, temperatures below the ice line were only about 5 degrees f less than today, and temperatures at the equator were the same as today.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

be well, be love.

david

weather channel founder: global warming ‘greatest scam in history’
intro by joe d’aleo, icecap, ccm

i was privileged to work with john coleman, the founder of the weather channel in the year before it became a reality and then for the first of the 6 years i was fortunate to be the director of meteorology. no one worked harder than john to make the weather channel a reality and to make sure the staffing, the information and technology was the very best possible at that time. john currently works with kusi in san diego. he posts regularly. i am very pleased to present his latest insightful post.

by john coleman

it is the greatest scam in history. i am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. global warming; it is a scam. some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an allusion of rapid global warming. other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. soon they claimed to be a consensus.

environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from global warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda. now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for cnn, cbs, nbc, the democratic political party, the governor of california, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. only one reporter at abc has been allowed to counter the global warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

so what do you choose?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch%3fv=bdsifspvzfi

be well, be love.

david

[jdlejeune]

i mentioned this in an email to a local polititican and he ended up directing me to the uk royal society who happens to have scientific responses to the top 8 misleading arguments against global warming.

it's hard to know who (and what info) to trust.
http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/page.asp?id=6229

[Cruise4]

my first post so hope its useful:

global warming pp link: http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/global_warming/index.htm
+ extra global swindle footage
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/220807_b_swindle.htm

vaccines pp link:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/vaccines/index.htm

puts a lot of articles in one place:d

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://science-sepp.blogspot.com/2007/12/press-release-dec-10-2007.html

be well, be love.

david

climate warming is naturally caused and shows no human influence:
carbon dioxide (co2) is not a pollutant.

climate scientists at the university of rochester, the university of alabama, and the university of virginia report that observed patterns of temperature changes (‘fingerprints’) over the last thirty years are not in accord with what greenhouse models predict and can better be explained by natural factors, such as solar variability. therefore, climate change is ‘unstoppable’ and cannot be affected or modified by controlling the emission of greenhouse gases, such as co2, as is proposed in current legislation.

these results are in conflict with the conclusions of the united nations intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc) and also with some recent research publications based on essentially the same data. however, they are supported by the results of the us-sponsored climate change science program (ccsp).

[pyramidnj]

this is worth reading.

love to all! jo anne

http://news.aol.com/story/_a/ominous-arctic-melt-worries-experts/20071211220409990001?ncid=nws00010000000001

ominous arctic melt worries experts
ap
posted: 2007-12-11 23:00:56
filed under: science news
washington (dec. 11) - an already relentless melting of the arctic greatly accelerated this summer, a warning sign that some scientists worry could mean global warming has passed an ominous tipping point. one even speculated that summer sea ice would be gone in five years.

greenland's ice sheet melted nearly 19 billion tons more than the previous high mark, and the volume of arctic sea ice at summer's end was half what it was just four years earlier, according to new nasa satellite data obtained by the associated press....

[article continues]

[Bill]

it is interesting that the projections for ice-free artic ocean is the summer of 2012...

also, interesting puns in their quotes...

"i don't pay much attention to one year ... but this year the change is so big, particularly in the arctic sea ice, that you've got to stop and say, 'what is going on here?' you can't look away from what's happening here," said waleed abdalati, nasa's chief of cyrospheric sciences. "this is going to be a watershed year."

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?aid=/20071219/commentary/10575140

be well, be love.

david

year of global cooling
by david deming
december 19, 2007

al gore says global warming is a planetary emergency. it is difficult to see how this can be so when record low temperatures are being set all over the world. in 2007, hundreds of people died, not from global warming, but from cold weather hazards.

since the mid-19th century, the mean global temperature has increased by 0.7 degrees celsius. this slight warming is not unusual, and lies well within the range of natural variation. carbon dioxide continues to build in the atmosphere, but the mean planetary temperature hasn't increased significantly for nearly nine years. antarctica is getting colder. neither the intensity nor the frequency of hurricanes has increased. the 2007 season was the third-quietest since 1966. in 2006 not a single hurricane made landfall in the u.s.

south america this year experienced one of its coldest winters in decades. in buenos aires, snow fell for the first time since the year 1918. dozens of homeless people died from exposure. in peru, 200 people died from the cold and thousands more became infected with respiratory diseases. crops failed, livestock perished, and the peruvian government declared a state of emergency.

unexpected bitter cold swept the entire southern hemisphere in 2007. johannesburg, south africa, had the first significant snowfall in 26 years. australia experienced the coldest june ever. in northeastern australia, the city of townsville underwent the longest period of continuously cold weather since 1941. in new zealand, the weather turned so cold that vineyards were endangered.

last january, $1.42 billion worth of california produce was lost to a devastating five-day freeze. thousands of agricultural employees were thrown out of work. at the supermarket, citrus prices soared. in the wake of the freeze, california gov. arnold schwarzenegger asked president bush to issue a disaster declaration for affected counties. a few months earlier, mr. schwarzenegger had enthusiastically signed the california global warming solutions act of 2006, a law designed to cool the climate. california sen. barbara boxer continues to push for similar legislation in the u.s. senate.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.newstatesman.com/200712190004

be well, be love.

david

has global warming stopped?
david whitehouse

'the fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001'

global warming stopped? surely not. what heresy is this? haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt?

aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? but as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent ipcc’s synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. witness the drama at bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp.

with only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 – there has been no warming over the 12 months.

but is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? no.

the fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming – the greenhouse effect. something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/01/science/01tier.html

be well, be love.

david

in 2008, a 100 percent chance of alarm
by john tierney
published: january 1, 2008

i’d like to wish you a happy new year, but i’m afraid i have a different sort of prediction.

you’re in for very bad weather. in 2008, your television will bring you image after frightening image of natural havoc linked to global warming. you will be told that such bizarre weather must be a sign of dangerous climate change — and that these images are a mere preview of what’s in store unless we act quickly to cool the planet.

unfortunately, i can’t be more specific. i don’t know if disaster will come by flood or drought, hurricane or blizzard, fire or ice. nor do i have any idea how much the planet will warm this year or what that means for your local forecast. long-term climate models cannot explain short-term weather.

but there’s bound to be some weird weather somewhere, and we will react like the sailors in the book of jonah. when a storm hit their ship, they didn’t ascribe it to a seasonal weather pattern. they quickly identified the cause (jonah’s sinfulness) and agreed to an appropriate policy response (throw jonah overboard).

today’s interpreters of the weather are what social scientists call availability entrepreneurs: the activists, journalists and publicity-savvy scientists who selectively monitor the globe looking for newsworthy evidence of a new form of sinfulness, burning fossil fuels.

a year ago, british meteorologists made headlines predicting that the buildup of greenhouse gases would help make 2007 the hottest year on record. at year’s end, even though the british scientists reported the global temperature average was not a new record — it was actually lower than any year since 2001 — the bbc confidently proclaimed, “2007 data confirms warming trend.”

[LightEye]

dear friends,

so much for global warming...

"the ssrc has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era."

kinda confirms this article i posted yesterday;

a cold spell soon to replace global warming in 2012
http://en.rian.ru/analysis/20080103/94768732.html

link to article;
http://www.spaceandscience.net/id16.html

be well, be love.

david

changes in the sun’s surface to bring next climate change
january 2, 2008

today, the space and science research center, (ssrc) in orlando, florida announces that it has confirmed the recent web announcement of nasa solar physicists that there are substantial changes occurring in the sun’s surface. the ssrc has further researched these changes and has concluded they will bring about the next climate change to one of a long lasting cold era.

today, director of the ssrc, john casey has reaffirmed earlier research he led that independently discovered the sun’s changes are the result of a family of cycles that bring about climate shifts from cold climate to warm and back again.

“we today confirm the recent announcement by nasa that there are historic and important changes taking place on the sun’s surface. this will have only one outcome - a new climate change is coming that will bring an extended period of deep cold to the planet. this is not however a unique event for the planet although it is critically important news to this and the next generations. it is but the normal sequence of alternating climate changes that has been going on for thousands of years. further according to our research, this series of solar cycles are so predictable that they can be used to roughly forecast the next series of climate changes many decades in advance. i have verified the accuracy of these cycles’ behavior over the last 1,100 years relative to temperatures on earth, to well over 90%.”

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/01/2007-warmest-year-on-record-coldest-in.html

be well, be love.

david

2007 warmest year on record? coldest in this century

one month ago, we noticed that november 2007 was the coldest month since january 2000. well, the rss msu satellite data prepared by remss.com show that december was even cooler. the december anomaly was -0.046 °c, compared to -0.014 °c in november. that means that december 2007 was also cooler than the average december from 1979. moreover, we can finally complete the ranking of the years!

let me start with forecasts in the mainstream media.

in january 2007, we were informed that 2007 was either likely or certain to surpass 1998 and become the world's warmest year on record by most media, including:

reuters
ap & foxnews
iht
bbc
msnbc
cbs
usa today
the new york times
the new york sun
the washington post
national geographic
cbc
the guardian
the independent
china people daily
abc australia
discovery channel
science daily
met office

as well as virtually all other media you know. they justified this statement by referring to scientists who have combined greenhouse gases with the observed el nino. many sources, such as the new york sun, even gave you the probability that 2007 would be the hottest year as 60 percent. they immediately added that this should "add momentum for the next phase of the kyoto protocol", a comment that clarifies what is the actual goal of many of the people who study these questions professionally.

in the middle of the year when it started to be clear that the prediction was bogus, phil jones (reuters) changed his mind only infinitesimally. it would be the second hottest year, he said. these big-shot agenda-driven scientists never have the courage to say that they were simply wrong.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/01/12/global-cooling-saudi-arabia-covered-with-snow-in-coldest-winter-for-20-years/

be well, be love.

david

global cooling? saudi arabia covered with snow in coldest winter for 20 years
january 12, 2008 · 1 comment
ria novosti | jan 11, 2008

northern parts of saudi arabia are covered with snow with schools, mosques and administrative bodies paralyzed, local media reported friday.

the oil-rich kingdom is being hit with subzero temperatures and snow storms with freezing winds of up to 50 km/h (30mp/h). some regions have been experiencing problems with water supplies as pipes have frozen, and livestock has died from the cold.

the saudi gazette reported late in december that the winter was expected to last 89 days, with temperatures reaching below zero. national media said the winter is the coldest in the country for 20 years.

[Muse]

global warming or global governance

i was amazed with the info i received while listening to this interview:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/01jan/ricr-080113.jpg [moderator: this is just a picture, so muse is invited to post again with the interview url so moderator can view it]

the great global warming swindle is a documentary:
http://www.globalwarmingglobalgovernance.com/glb_wrm_glb_gov.htm

[Muse]

oops...

this should do it:
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2008/01jan/ricr-080113.php

[Muse]

global warming or global governance.com

here is the whole movie on google video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7299668110171032533

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://en.rian.ru/science/20080122/97519953.html

be well, be love.

david

russian scientist says earth could soon face new ice age
14:31 | 22/ 01/ 2008

st. petersburg, january 22 (ria novosti) - temperatures on earth have stabilized in the past decade, and the planet should brace itself for a new ice age rather than global warming, a russian scientist said in an interview with ria novosti tuesday.

"russian and foreign research data confirm that global temperatures in 2007 were practically similar to those in 2006, and, in general, identical to 1998-2006 temperatures, which, basically, means that the earth passed the peak of global warming in 1998-2005," said khabibullo abdusamatov, head of a space research lab at the pulkovo observatory in st. petersburg.

according to the scientist, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the earth's atmosphere has risen more than 4% in the past decade, but global warming has practically stopped. it confirms the theory of "solar" impact on changes in the earth's climate, because the amount of solar energy reaching the planet has drastically decreased during the same period, the scientist said.

had global temperatures directly responded to concentrations of "greenhouse" gases in the atmosphere, they would have risen by at least 0.1 celsius in the past ten years, however, it never happened, he said.

"a year ago, many meteorologists predicted that higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would make the year 2007 the hottest in the last decade, but, fortunately, these predictions did not become reality," abdusamatov said.

he also said that in 2008, global temperatures would drop slightly, rather than rise, due to unprecedentedly low solar radiation in the past 30 years, and would continue decreasing even if industrial emissions of carbon dioxide reach record levels.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.azstarnet.com/metro/222800

be well, be love.

david

ua prof challenges one of central beliefs about global warming
by eric schwartz
arizona daily star
tucson, arizona | published: 01.30.2008

new information is leading to a controversial shift in thinking on the impact of global warming on ocean circulation, partly due to the work of a ua researcher.

the scientific community has long believed that as global warming continues and large amounts of freshwater ice melt into the ocean, the ocean's circulation will slow.

this would have a catastrophic impact on the environment as vividly, if somewhat overdramatically, portrayed in the film "the day after tomorrow."

but a paper published last week in nature magazine, the result of several studies of past and possible future weather, says that in fact the very opposite is true and ocean circulation will become stronger as the icecaps melt.

"we missed what was right in front of our eyes," said joellen russell, an assistant professor of geosciences at the university of arizona and co-author of the paper.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.tylerpaper.com/article/20080213/news08/802130360

be well, be love.

david

baliunas says global warming related to sun

astrophycist dr. sally bulinas speaks to members of the press before her conference about global warming and the sun's interaction with the earth's environment.

in her lecture series, "warming up to the truth: the real story about climate change," astrophysicist dr. sallie baliunas shared her findings tuesday at the university of texas at tyler r. don cowan fine and performing arts center.

dr. baliunas' work with fellow harvard-smithsonian center for astrophysics astronomer willie soon suggests global warming is more directly related to solar variability than to increased levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, an alternative view to what's been widely publicized in the mainstream media.

"some people argue solar influence is large; some argue it is small. i'm somewhere in the middle," she said during a press conference thursday afternoon.

her research goes back to time periods when the amount of carbon emission was small enough that it wasn't a major player.

"if you go back far enough you eliminate some of your variables," she said. "i've always been interested with the changes of the sun and how they impact the earth. i decided to look at a narrower time scale this time."

[LightEye]

dear friends,

here in norway spring is just around the corner...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=516969&in_page_id=1811&in_a_source=

be well, be love.

david

global cooling: amazing pictures of countries joining britain in the big freeze
by christopher booker - more by this author » last updated at 08:30am on 21st february 2008

comments comments (36)
a waterfall frozen mid-air in china

a waterfall frozen mid-air in china
enlarge the image
yesterday's picture in the mail of a cascade of icicles in the yorkshire dales was a reminder of how cold britain can be - something many of us have forgotten in this unusually mild winter.

but it really is remarkable how little attention has been paid to the extraordinary weather events which in recent weeks have been affecting other parts of the world.

across much of the northern hemisphere, from greece and iran to china and japan, they have been suffering their worst snowfalls for decades.

similarly freakish amounts of snow have been falling over much of the northern united states, from ohio to the pacific coast, where in parts of the state of washington up to 200in of snow have fallen in the past fortnight.

in country after country, these abnormal snowfalls have provoked a crisis.

in china - the only example to have attracted major coverage in britain - the worst snow for 50years triggered an unprecedented state of emergency.

large parts of the country have been paralysed, as rail and road transport ground to a standstill

[ZENKAIpower]

i just want to point out that in my region this is second year with 0 snowfall. which has never happened before.
this winter was colder than last one but again no snowfall. last winter was by far unusual for my home town split,croatia. tem didn't drop below 5°c during entire winter which was not recorded since they measure tem back in 19 century.

i think russia also has the second warmest winter in history. last year was the warmest.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289

be well, be love.

david

forget global warming: welcome to the new ice age
lorne gunter, national post published: monday, february 25, 2008

snow cover over north america and much of siberia, mongolia and china is greater than at any time since 1966.

the u.s. national climatic data center (ncdc) reported that many american cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in january and early february. according to the ncdc, the average temperature in january "was -0.3 f cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

china is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

there have been so many snow and ice storms in ontario and quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

in just the first two weeks of february, toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-suv, pre-kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.dailytech.com/temperature%2bmonitors%2breport%2bworldwid...

be well, be love.

david

temperature monitors report widescale global cooling
michael asher (blog) - february 26, 2008 12:55 pm

world temperatures according to the hadley center for climate prediction. note the steep drop over the last year.twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. china has its coldest winter in 100 years. baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. north america has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. record levels of antarctic sea ice, record cold in minnesota, texas, florida, mexico, australia, iran, greece, south africa, greenland, argentina, chile -- the list goes on and on.

[ace ota]

david's link doesn't work. here's the fixed one:

http://www.dailytech.com/temperature+monitors+report+widescale+global+cooli ng/article10866.htm

[Bill]

david,

tried that link, and it said that the page could not be found. did the url get truncated?

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2008/20080313_coolest.html

be well, be love.

david

noaa: coolest winter since 2001 for u.s., globe
march 13, 2008

the average temperature across both the contiguous u.s. and the globe during climatological winter (december 2007-february 2008) was the coolest since 2001, according to scientists at noaa’s national climatic data center in asheville, n.c. in terms of winter precipitation, pacific storms, bringing heavy precipitation to large parts of the west, produced high snowpack that will provide welcome runoff this spring.

[transiten]

hello

i must admit i have not read the whole thread through, but has anyone adressed "global dimming" yet? "thanks" to the pollution, the incoming solarradiation is diminished. if we were to get rid of all pollution today we would burn up according to a tv-program i saw some year ago.

liliane the transit

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23411799-7583,00.html

be well, be love.

david

climate facts to warm to
christopher pearson | march 22, 2008

catastrophic predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.

last monday - on abc radio national, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. it was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of counterpoint, michael duffy and jennifer marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of melbourne-based think tank the institute of public affairs. anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.
duffy asked marohasy: "is the earth stillwarming?"

she replied: "no, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. if you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. this is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years."

duffy: "is this a matter of any controversy?"

marohasy: "actually, no. the head of the ipcc (intergovernmental panel on climate change) has actually acknowledged it. he talks about the apparent plateau in temperatures so far this century. so he recognises that in this century, over the past eight years, temperatures have plateaued ... this is not what you'd expect, as i said, because if carbon dioxide is driving temperature then you'd expect that, given carbon dioxide levels have been continuing to increase, temperatures should be going up ... so (it's) very unexpected, not something that's being discussed. it should be being discussed, though, because it's very significant."

[transiten]

hi

i read that too, and actually china f.i had an extremely cold winter at least in some areas, but that's part of the change that the weather is not behaving as usual, "every twodaysweather" gets more common and no stable high and lowpressure.

does al gore know about the global warming in the rest of our solarsystem???

liliane

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3608/what_is_causing_climate_change_/

be well, be love.

david

man-made co2? hmmm - i don't think that is our main problem... what do you think?

this short video looks at some of the changes which seem to have been taking place in the solar system in the last 30 years or so.

music by mike oldfield - "the source of secrets"
most of the info is culled from http://www.enterprisemission.com/

more info in this 2-hour video...

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-3835552873482653680

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more food for thought...

http://www.discovery.org/v/30

be well, be love.

david

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=8583

be well, be love.

david

global warming gets the cold freeze
global warming hoax exposed by record global cold
by f. william engdahl
global research, april 7, 2008

the media and governmental hype over a danger from global warming that already is allegedly causing the polar icecaps to melt and threaten a global climate catastrophe, looks more and more like the political hype it is. this year to date, snow cover over north america and much of siberia, mongolia and china is greater than at any time since 1966.

according to the us national climatic data center (ncdc) many american cities and towns have suffered record cold temperatures in january and early february. according to the ncdc, the average temperature in january "was - 0.3 f cooler than the 1901-2000 average."

china is surviving its most brutal winter in one hundred years. temperatures in the normally mild south were low for so long that some middle-sized cities went weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

there have been so many snow and ice storms in ontario and quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has been hurt as home buyers have stayed home. in just the first two weeks of february, toronto received 70 cm of snow, breaking the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in 1950.

arctic ice melt has reversed

one of the most dramatic results of the record cold over much of the planet is the reversal of the much-reported melt of the icebergs in the arctic ocean. last autumn the world was alarmed to hear from certain climatologists that the ice in the arctic had melted to its "lowest levels on record.” what was carefully omitted from those scare stories was the fact that those records only date back as far as 1972, and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

now, as a result of the recent record cold weather, the ice is back. according to gilles langis, a senior forecaster with the canadian ice service in ottawa, the arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

what few people know and what the global warming lobby seems at pains to keep known is the fact that there is considerable seasonal variation in how much pack ice of the arctic ice pack covers the arctic ocean. much of the ocean is also covered in snow for about 10 months of the year. the maximum snow cover is in march or april — about 20 to 50 centimeters over the frozen ocean. the thickness is not one of the universal constants, never was.

[Billuminous]

dear friends,

http://www.physorg.com/news94910984.html

be well, be love.

david

global warming hits mars too: study discussion at physorgforum
mars

global warming could be heating mars four times faster than earth due to a mutually reinforcing interplay of wind-swept dust and changes in reflected heat from the sun, according a study released wednesday.

scientists have long observed a correlation on mars between its fluctuating temperatures -- which range from -87 c to - 5 c (-125 f to 23 f) depending on the season and the location -- and the darkening or lightening of swathes of the planet's surface.

the explanation is in the dirt.

glistening martian dust lying on the ground reflects the sun's light -- and its heat -- back into space, a phenomenon called albedo.

but when this reddish dust is churned up by violent winds, the storm-ravaged surface loses its reflective qualities and more of the sun's heat is absorbed into the atmosphere, causing temperatures to rise.

the study, published on thursday by the british journal nature, shows for the first time that these variations not only result from the storms but help cause them too.

it also suggests that short-term climate change is currently occurring on mars and at a much faster rate than on earth.

here is good article exploring the question of whether or not there is global warming on mars (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2005/10/global-warming-on-mars/).

i'm firmly in the anthropogenic global warming camp. we are 6.6 billion people conducting a giant geoengineering experiment on earth...the atmosphere is much more sensitive to carbon forcing than most people would like to admit...fortunately global dimming has given us a bit of a reprieve, but now the ice caps are in rapid disintegration and drastic upheaval will soon follow.

[Billuminous]

at first glance, all looks to be well with the arctic ice cap...take a look at the
current ice coverage in the arctic (http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/images/current.365.jpg)...not much below the long-time average, right?

however, upon further investigation one discovers that this past winter witnessed a strong decline in perennial ice at time when the ice usually rebuilds. check out this amazing video showing the decline of the arctic's perennial ice from sept 07 thru apr 08 (http://ice-glaces.ec.gc.ca/content_contenu/sie/beaufort/quikscat_07_sept2007_to_03_april_2008b.wmv).

ok..so after watching that video...i'll bet you are still a little skeptical that changes of this magnitude could happen so rapidly. so then.. take a look at this ice depth map comparing mar 07 to mar 08 (http://nsidc.org/images/arcticseaicenews/200804_figure4.png).

and now, to put some historical perspective on the arctic meltdown, take a look at the ice depth chart comparing feb 08 to the long-term average between 1985 and 2000 (http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2008/03/the_incredible_shrinking_sea_i.html).

these developments have elicited a dire warning (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-03/01/content_7696460.htm) from the distinguished glaciologist olav orheim (http://www.commentvisions.com/biography/march/olav_orheim/14/full_bio) from norway, which just had one of its balmiest winters on record.

[Billuminous]

one thing i find particularly interesting about the dramatic developments in the arctic is that there has not been a commensurate level of change at the lower latitudes. for example, while the ocean temperatures in the arctic ocean averaged 3.5 degrees c above average in 2007, the ocean temps elsewhere were mostly in line with the long-term norm. also, surface air temps were about 5-10 degrees c above average during the arctic summer which is phenomenal. somebody even recorded 22c.

i know there is a lot of talk here and elsewhere in new age circles that the so-called 10th planet, nibiru, is going to come blazing through our solar system setting off all kinds of earth changes. a lot of people have a hard time comprehending how any other mechanism could set off a cataclysm on earth.

well...there is another mechanism, and it involves a dramatic loss of albedo in the arctic which translates into a major increase in solar energy absorption, resulting into further increase in temperatures, which will trigger a massive release of methane trapped in the permafrost and clathrates. it almost sounds too realistic to be true. but actually, this kind of extinction event is not unknown in geological history.

methane burps: ticking time bomb (http://www.energybulletin.net/3647.html)

[Liam]

i am of the view that global warming is not a hoax-it's not only the statistics that suggest there is warming but you can also experience the warmth from day to day without needing a thermometer. of course even in a warmer world there will still be cool spells of weather in temperate regions but these are generally few and farther between than they were in previous decades. i don't believe that because there has been a cool spring (april has been below average across europe so far) or slight increases in ice cover in some area of the polar regions it means that the whole thing is a hoax. april last year was a very warm affair in the uk, by far the warmest on record but this year has shown that things are not uniformly warm. this year i was able to sit outside in warm sunshine in the second week of february in northern england. this is the first time i have ever been able to do that and the amount of snow we receive in winter has been greatly diminished even since i was a young child in the early 90s.
i am in little doubt that some kind of warming is occurring- i am just unsure about what is actually causing it. i do agree with dw's view that our own role in causing the warming is being overstated and that the warming is for the most part natural.

[Billuminous]

i don't understand dw's perspective...the sun is actually at its low point in the 10-11 year solar cycle. even though solar radiance was at its lowest point, 2007 was tied with 1998 as the second warmest year on record behind 2005. check out the following link showing the relationship between solar radiance and global surface temperatures.

giss 2007 temperature analysis (http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/20080114_gistemp.pdf)

please point me to some evidence supporting dw's view.

[Liam]

david talks about it in some detail in this interview-

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=344&itemid=70

he suggest that global warming is caused by earth cycles which i tend to agree with, whether or not we are still in a warm cycle 10 years after the warmest year on record (1998) is possibly open to debate.

[Billuminous]

david talks about it in some detail in this interview-

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=344&itemid=70

he suggest that global warming is caused by earth cycles which i tend to agree with, whether or not we are still in a warm cycle 10 years after the warmest year on record (1998) is possibly open to debate.

what is your source for the claim that 1998 was the warmest year on record ahead of 2005? also, i'm wondering whether or not dw's proposal that the warming of the earth is being caused by some kind galactic energy source (cosmic rays?) is based on the ra material. if so, could you provide me with the quote from ra.

why not consider that the science behind anthropogenic global warming is being driven by some kind of universal intelligence/consciousness? by enhancing the greenhouse effect on the planet, we are trapping more and more energy from our sun, and therefore we are the ones causing our own 3d physical death and rebirth into a new dimension.

didn't stephen hawking, the world-reknown scientist, once say that humans are turning the earth into a planet like venus? isn't venus the birthplace and home of the social memory complex of ra?

my point here is not that we should conduct our lives in a manner that would contribute to 3d physical death and dimensional shift...causing death to others for the sake of your own spiritual advancement seems very counterproductive.

[Billuminous]

here is the latest news about the methane situation in the arctic:

a storehouse of greenhouse gases is opening off siberia (http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,547976,00.html)

[Billuminous]

global warming gets the cold freeze
global warming hoax exposed by record global cold
by f. william engdahl
global research, april 7, 2008

the media and governmental hype over a danger from global warming that already is allegedly causing the polar icecaps to melt and threaten a global climate catastrophe, looks more and more like the political hype it is. this year to date, snow cover over north america and much of siberia, mongolia and china is greater than at any time since 1966.

your data set is too small...the overall trend indicates continued warming. temps in asia were way above normal during march, offsetting the cooler temps earlier.

march: the warmest on record over world land surfaces (http://ap.google.com/article/aleqm5iqojq7kyibhw7ed7azkuunzlzbiqd903t7080)

[Asa]

perhaps the point we should be looking for is being missed. the question isn't truly whether global warming is occurring or not as ra stated that we could expect such things in session 17.

q: we are now in the fourth density. will the effects of the fourth density
increase in the next thirty years? will we see more changes in our
environment and our effect upon our environment?

ra: ...this is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. this will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. ... [emphasis was included for highlighting]

obviously, unusable heat will have the resultant of an increase in the global temperature.

the question that we should be truly asking is whether the cause of the increase in temperature is being manipulated for political reasons. to seek out some kind of answer one should begin to look at the indicators of whether the increased co2 is largely attributable to the use of hydrocarbons and more specifically whether the increase in temperature is due to co2 levels.

the reports by drs noah and art robinson do not suggest that global warming isn't a fact but that the attribution of that warming to co2 increase and hence to being man caused reasons is incorrect. nor do they even imply that man hasn't attributed to some degree to that warming just that we aren't the driving factor. the robinsons' reports have now been endorsed and co-signed by over 17,000 scientist around the world. how many signatures appear on the ipcc report?

additionally, if global warming was being caused by the elevated co2 gases then it would be a fairly simple process to predict by computer with relative accuracy exactly how the warming trend would react. the problem is that the computer prediction models are failing to predict with any accuracy any of the effects that are being observed. now the authors of the computer modeling that underlies the co2 theory have publicly stated that their model had contained a serious error.

they failed to take into adequate consideration the effect of the prevailing winds on the warmer ocean currents. when the models were modified to include the effects of the wind the projections fit the profile but disproved that the loss of the arctic and antarctic sea ice where the results of increased co2 levels.

if one thinks through the issue of the changes we are seeing and that the changes are effecting the magnetic energies of the planet then knowing that those energies effect the weather does it not make sense that changes in the ocean currents would have a faster effect on the sea ice?

makes one think that perhaps the causes of global warming are being manipulated to create a situation where people could be herded toward an acceptance that the only way to effectively address the problem would be to form some global wide committee to establish the rules under which industries (i.e., economies) could function so as to reduce greenhouse emissions. sounds like a step in the direction of a one government world or more appropriately a nwo.

[Billuminous]

perhaps the point we should be looking for is being missed. the question isn't truly whether global warming is occurring or not as ra stated that we could expect such things in session 17.

q: we are now in the fourth density. will the effects of the fourth density
increase in the next thirty years? will we see more changes in our
environment and our effect upon our environment?

ra: ...this is going to occur with some inconvenience, as we have said before, due to the energies of the thought-forms of your peoples which disturb the orderly constructs of energy patterns within your earth spirals of energy which increases entropy and unusable heat. this will cause your planetary sphere to have some ruptures in its outer garment while making itself appropriately magnetized for fourth density. ... [emphasis was included for highlighting]

sounds to me like ra is describing anthropogenic global warming...


the reports by drs noah and art robinson do not suggest that global warming isn't a fact but that the attribution of that warming to co2 increase and hence to being man caused reasons is incorrect. nor do they even imply that man hasn't attributed to some degree to that warming just that we aren't the driving factor. the robinsons' reports have now been endorsed and co-signed by over 17,000 scientist around the world. how many signatures appear on the ipcc report?

to make an argument that something is true based upon the number of signatures you can gather seems rather lame. the ipcc is not a signature gathering campaign like the report you cite.


additionally, if global warming was being caused by the elevated co2 gases then it would be a fairly simple process to predict by computer with relative accuracy exactly how the warming trend would react. the problem is that the computer prediction models are failing to predict with any accuracy any of the effects that are being observed. now the authors of the computer modeling that underlies the co2 theory have publicly stated that their model had contained a serious error.

well, if the climate scientists don't entirely understand all the variables involved in climate change, then the computer prediction models are going to reflect that lack of understanding. climate scientists seem capable of predicting general trends but not year to year, region to region variability.


makes one think that perhaps the causes of global warming are being manipulated to create a situation where people could be herded toward an acceptance that the only way to effectively address the problem would be to form some global wide committee to establish the rules under which industries (i.e., economies) could function so as to reduce greenhouse emissions. sounds like a step in the direction of a one government world or more appropriately a nwo.

a nwo based on peace and ecological responsibility sounds good to me!

[LightEye]

dear friends,

coming from a geophysicist and astronautical engineer and nasa astronaut.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

be well, be love.

david

sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh
phil chapman | april 23, 2008

the scariest photo i have seen on the internet is www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the solar and heliospheric observatory, located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity.

what is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot.

disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

all four agencies that track earth's temperature (the hadley climate research unit in britain, the nasa goddard institute for space studies in new york, the christy group at the university of alabama, and remote sensing systems inc in california) report that it cooled by about 0.7c in 2007. this is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. if the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. it snowed in baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in china was simply terrible and the extent of antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since james cook discovered the place in 1770.

it is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so i would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

this is where soho comes in. the sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. the most recent minimum was in march last year. the new cycle, no.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

it didn't happen. the first sunspot appeared in january this year and lasted only two days. a tiny spot appeared last monday but vanished within 24 hours. another little spot appeared this monday. pray that there will be many more, and soon.

[Billuminous]

another indication that the methane bubble may be about to burst...


carbon dioxide, methane up sharply in 07 (http://au.news.yahoo.com/080423/2/16lfb.html)
yahoo news, april 24, 2008

the amount of two key greenhouse gases in earth's atmosphere rose sharply in 2007, and carbon dioxide levels this year are literally off the chart, the us government reported.

in its annual index of greenhouse gas emissions, the us national oceanic and atmospheric administration found atmospheric carbon dioxide, the primary driver of global climate change, rose by 0.6 per cent, or 19 billion tonnes last year.

the amount of methane increased by 0.5 per cent, or 27 million tonnes, after nearly a decade of little or no change, according preliminary figures to scientists at the government's earth system research laboratory in colorado.

methane's greenhouse effect is 25 times more potent than carbon dioxide's, but there is far less of it in the atmosphere. overall, methane has about half the climate impact of carbon dioxide.

the primary source of carbon dioxide is the burning of fossil fuels, which is increasing, said pieter tans, who studies greenhouses at the laboratory.

[Billuminous]

dear friends,

coming from a geophysicist and astronautical engineer and nasa astronaut.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23583376-7583,00.html

disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming, the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

can you provide data from a verifiable source that global temps are falling? nasa's giss definitely does not support that view...see the link in my previous post.


all four agencies that track earth's temperature (the hadley climate research unit in britain, the nasa goddard institute for space studies in new york, the christy group at the university of alabama, and remote sensing systems inc in california) report that it cooled by about 0.7c in 2007. this is the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. if the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over.

that data is incorrect. see link provided in previous post.


there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold. it snowed in baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in china was simply terrible and the extent of antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since james cook discovered the place in 1770.


that is what we call cherry-picking your sources of data. the scandanavian countries experienced record warmth this past winter with snow levels way below normal. the continental us experienced winter temperatures that were above the historic norm.

in addition to increasing temperatures, global weather patterns are becoming more unpredictable.


it is generally not possible to draw conclusions about climatic trends from events in a single year, so i would normally dismiss this cold snap as transient, pending what happens in the next few years.

what do you mean? 2007 was the second warmest year on record tied with 1998.


this is where soho comes in. the sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. the most recent minimum was in march last year. the new cycle, no.24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers.

it didn't happen. the first sunspot appeared in january this year and lasted only two days. a tiny spot appeared last monday but vanished within 24 hours. another little spot appeared this monday. pray that there will be many more, and soon.

there will be more activity soon. we are at the low point in the sun's 11-year irradiance cycle.

[P-Bass]

i don’t know if this is add more fuel to the fire of this discussion or cool things off…but it’s interesting…

http://www.climatepatrol.com/vidstream/felix/

love and light,
steve

[Billuminous]

if there is a sudden "discontinuous event" around the time of the shift to 4d space/time, i'm imagining that it will involve an explosive release of methane into the atmosphere.

the average sea-surface temperature of the arctic ocean was 1.5c above the previous high temperature and 3.5c above the historic norm during summer 2007 (geotimes) (http://www.geotimes.org/apr08/article.html?id=nn_arctic.html). the immediate risk is the destabilization of the submarine methane hydrates as opposed to the land-based permafrost. apparently (see previous linked article entitled "a storehouse of greenhouse gases is opening in siberia") an additional 1-2c of warming could trigger the release from the seabeds. with the sudden loss of reflectivity in the arctic ocean combined with an alteration in arctic ocean currents bringing warmer waters in from the northern atlantic, another 1-2c warming seems rather imminent.

excerpt from a killer in our midst (http://www.killerinourmidst.com/)

if a methane catastrophe were to happen in the near future, it is likely that not only would a considerable percentage of existing plants and animals be killed off, but a large percentage of the human population as well, as a result of the climate change and significantly more hostile environmental conditions. yet we may well be heading toward such a catastrophe, produced by our warming of the planet.

just how rapidly seafloor methane will be released depends on numerous factors that are quite difficult to assess. it is possible that seafloor methane will be released so slowly that it will only have a relatively minor warming effect on earth's climate. on the other hand, because the coming methane release will be the result of our warming of the planet via the burning of fossil and other acrbon fuels, it could happen much more quickly. indeed, it seems that we are currently pumping the greenhouse gas carbon dioxide into the atmosphere at a much faster -- perhaps tens to hundreds of times faster -- rate than has ever before naturally occurred in the last half billion years or so of the earth's history. the catastrophic warming we are causing is -- to the best of our knowledge -- unprecedented since the early days of our planet, billions of years ago. such warming could well lead to methane catastrophe.

[Billuminous]

according to dr. glen barry, the founder of the ecological internet, humans are currently putting carbon dioxide into the atmosphere 14,000 (http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7488158) times as fast as the rate of historic natural processes (climate ark article) (http://www.climateark.org/blog/2008/04/humans_overwhelm_climate_equil.asp). the above excerpt in which the author estimates that humans are putting co2 in the atmosphere at 10 to 100 times the historic rate is probably way too conservative.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=3048

be well, be love.

david

tropical troposphere
by steve mcintyre

last year, ross mckitrick proposed the ironic idea of a “t3 tax” in which carbon tax levels were related to observed temperature increases in the tropical troposphere. temperature increases in the tropical troposphere are, as i understand it, a distinctive “fingerprint” for carbon dioxide forcing. apparent discrepancies between a lack of warming in satellite data and surface warming have been a battleground issue for many years. in one of the most recent surveys of the matter in 2006, the u.s. ccsp proclaimed that the issue had been put to rest:

previously reported discrepancies between the amount of warming near the surface and higher in the atmosphere have been used to challenge the reliability of climate models and the reality of human induced global warming. specifically, surface data showed substantial global-average warming, while early versions of satellite and radiosonde data showed little or no warming above the surface. this significant discrepancy no longer exists because errors in the satellite and radiosonde data have been identified and corrected. new data sets have also been developed that do not show such discrepancies.

in this respect, the march 2008 satellite data for the tropics is pretty interesting. the graph below shows uah (black) and rss (red) for the tropics (both divided by 1.2 to synchronize to the surface variations - an adjustment factor that john christy said to use in an email). i also collated the most recent cru gridded data and calculated a tropical average for 20s to 20n, shown in green. all series have been centered on a common interval.

[Asa]

when you have completed reading the article, click on the chart at the end of the article and check out the following time line imprints: 340,000 years ago-co2 from 200 to 300; 250,000 years ago-co2 from 200 to 280;140,000 years ago-co2 from 175 to 280; and 40,000 years ago-co2 from 150 to 280. also note that beginning out 425,000 years ago is a co2 cycle quite similar to the one today.

[url="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=221"]

24 november 2005
650,000 years of greenhouse gas concentrations
filed under: arctic and antarctic greenhouse gases paleoclimate climate science— gavin @ 10:26 pm - ()

the latest results from the epica core in antarctica have just been published this week in science (siegenthaler et al. and spahni et al.). this ice core extended the record of antarctic climate back to maybe 800,000 years, and the first 650,000 years of ice have now been analysed for greenhouse gas concentrations saved in tiny bubbles. the records for co2, ch4 and n2o both confirm the vostok records that have been available for a few years now, and extend them over another 4 glacial-interglacial cycles. this is a landmark result and a strong testament to the almost heroic efforts in the field to bring back these samples from over 3km deep in the antarctica ice. so what do these new data tell us, and where might they lead?

[Asa]

enjoy!

http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_co2_chemical_methods.pdf

180 years accurate co2 air gas analysis by chemical methods (short version)
this is an unofficial extract of e-g beck's comprehensive draft paper and is for discussion not citing
1
180 years accurate co2 - gasanalysis of air
by chemical methods (short version)
dipl. biol. ernst-georg beck, merian-schule freiburg, 8/2006
1. short summary on the knowledge about the co2 air gas analysis (2006)
the context of carbon dioxide as the base of all organic matter on earth with fundamental
importance for metabolism of organisms is taught in each school and all universities of the
world.
the background for these realizations were investigated among other things for approx.
200 years by scientists such as pettenkofer, benedict, krogh (nobel prize), lundegardh
and warburg (nobel prize).
in ipccs climate change 2001: working group i: the scientific basis you will find the
following in chapter 3: “the carbon cycle…”:3.1: “
“the concentration of co2 in the atmosphere has risen from close to 280 parts per million
(ppm) in 1800, at first slowly and then progressively faster to a value of 367 ppm in 1999,
echoing the increasing pace of global agricultural and industrial development.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

lol!

make sure you pay close attention to number 2 concerning solar system warming. must be all those suv's out there on other planets... ;-)

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=page.view&pageid=62598

be well, be love.

david

al gore's global warming debunked – by kids!
winners announced in 'the sky's not falling' video-essay contest

posted: april 26, 2008
2:00 pm eastern
© 2008 worldnetdaily

al gore's global warming philosophy has been debunked by many scientists and studies, and now it has met the same fate at the hands of children, in "the sky's not falling" video/essay contest, sponsored by wnd books, formerly world ahead media.

the contest was launched early in 2008 and was designed to highlight the absurdities, untruths and downright lies that children are being taught daily about "climate change" in public school.

russell young, a minnesota writer who captured first place in the essay competition, explained the importance of using celebrities such as gore and the medium of movies to enhance the educational experience for students.

"here are just a few other films schools might use for their teaching curriculums. 'the polar express' could be used for instruction on transportation systems. 'borat' is a perfect teaching tool for understanding how the democratic party uses focus groups. 'alien,' could be used to teach students about anatomy and homeland security, all at the same time," he wrote.

"'far fetched,' you say. maybe, but 'moby dick' taught me all i ever needed to know about whales, and i'm a marine biologist," he said.

"kids across america are being victimized by global warming hysteria," according to holly fretwell, author of the sky’s not falling: why it’s ok to chill about global warming.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

what's interesting here is that the pdo changes from warm to cool have decreased with 10 year intervalls each and every time they've been measured - 41 years, 31 years, 21 years... coincindence?

http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/04/nasa-cool-pdo-regime-begins.html

be well, be love.

david

nasa: cool pdo regime begins

the pacific decadal oscillation (pdo) is a temperature pattern in the pacific ocean that spends roughly 20-30 years in the cool phase or the warm phase.

in 1905, pdo switched to a warm phase.
in 1946, pdo switched to a cool phase.
in 1977, pdo switched to a warm phase.
in 1998, pdo showed a few cool years.

[Sigini]

if you saw the "60 minutes" interview with al and tipper gore, you couldn't miss the motivation for all of their scam. maybe if you just turned off the sound and watched the two of them, you could perceive better what they are doing.
they live in a mansion that is ridiculously huge, a home of the elite. if gore were such a down home country boy, he would be living on the quaint family farm in carthage, tennessee. instead, he said he is going to turn it into a "training camp for global warming education" which sounds like a mind control facility/cult place.
i believe i heard right when they said he was putting up to $333 million of his own money (at least most of it and then his organization adding to it) into the commercials against global warming. i have also read that he gets up to $100k per speech. a guy who makes that much money needs tax write offs big time.
in my opinion, gore has become another shill who marches to the beat of the elite and does their fear mongering for them. perhaps they made him think they would let him be president, (they choose, we don't), but decided he still had too many brains left and found someone who made a better puppet. so, his consolation prize was multiple millions of dollars and to become the king of the world of ecology with millions of adoring fans.
i lived with an alcoholic for a quarter of a century and it has taken me many years to overcome the convoluted thinking you acquire from being dominated by a sick personality. :mad: tipper gore is a bi-polar manic depressive and they have hidden her "episodes" as best they can. she is the daughter of a bi-polar alcoholic mother. i believe that al gore has been affected by the mind set of being in that type of atmosphere and he has become manic.:( he isn't listening to reason anymore and spreading fear and doom may make him feel powerful, but he's going to have to deal with the karma before long.:eek: people are waking up to the powers that be, (elite), and their manipulations. there are more of us than them. i'm the 99th monkey, number 100 is just on the next island.:eek:

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8147337841241405073&q=global+warming+or+global+governance&ei=tbedsnkll5-w4qlh2cdqaq

be well, be love.

david

let us not confuse having a clean green environment with 'global warming'. you will discover that man simply cannot influence the earth surface temperature. only the sun can do that. 97% of greenhouse gasses (including clouds) are in fact h2o. co2 changes lag 800 years behind earth surface temperature changes. man contributes 3% to the total co2 output of the planet. increasing the co2 in glass-houses increases crop yield of plants and it is still completely safe to work inside this environment. the entire world people are being conned and manipulated. why?

[Billuminous]

let us not confuse having a clean green environment with 'global warming'. you will discover that man simply cannot influence the earth surface temperature.

hogwash. you never noticed the difference in temps between a forest and a heavily asphalted area like a city??? all the environmentalists i know believe in man's ability to strongly impact the earth's climate.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/05/080509-sixdegrees-video-wc.html

be well, be love.

david

may 9, 2008—mass extinctions and other nightmare scenarios figure into one expert's speculations on what earth would be like at 6°c (10.8°f) warmer.

[1VibrationalEnergy]

i am not up to all the facts about global warming if it is real or not, but what i go see when i drive to school every morning is the smog that lurks over the strip (because i live in las vegas). even if global warming is not truly happening human need to use different energy sources other than coal. at unlv im working on solar power research and hydrogen research :)

unlv already has a hydrogen fueling station set up powered by solar power and converted two gasoline cars to hydrogen! :d

[LightEye]

dear friends,

interesting indeed...

be well, be love.

david

http://www.cgfi.org/2008/03/01/global-temperatures-have-dropped-did-sunspots-predict-it/
global temperatures have dropped: did sunspots predict it?
march 1, 2008
by dennis t. avery, hudson institute

churchville, va—three of the world’s major climate monitors have announced that the earth’s temperatures dropped over the last 12 months—by enough to virtually offset the entire “unprecedented warming” of the last century. this comes after nine years of no warming, and a net warming since 1940 of just 0.2 degrees.

equally important, a drop in temperatures had been predicted by the sunspot index that foretells the earth’s temperature changes with a log time of nearly a decade. our temperatures have a 79 percent correlation with the sunspot index. the sunspot index turned downward in 2000.

britain’s hadley centre, nasa, and the university of alabama/huntsville say the temperature drop since january of 2007 was measured between 0.59 and 0.75 degree c. this includes an unusually cold winter in the southern hemisphere, and the harshest chinese winter in a century. part is due to a regional cooling in the pacific called la nina which appears every 4-5 years, but the strength and global scope of this cooling has been startling.

http://www.cgfi.org/2008/05/05/satellite-indicates-23-year-global-cooling/
satellite indicates 23-year global cooling
may 5, 2008
by dennis t. avery

churchville va—now it’s not just the sunspots that predict a 23-year global cooling. the new jason oceanographic satellite shows that 2007 was a “cool” la nina year—but jason also says something more important is at work: the much larger and more persistent pacific decadal oscillation (pdo) has turned into its cool phase, telling us to expect moderately lower global temperatures until 2030 or so.

for the past century at least, global temperatures have tended to mirror the 20-to 30-year warmings and coolings of the north-central pacific ocean. we don’t know just why, but the pattern of the last century is clear: the earth warmed from about 1915 to1940, while the pdo was also warming (1925 to 46). the earth cooled from 1940 to 1975, while the pdo was cooling (1946 to 1977). the strong global warming from 1976 to 1998 was accompanied by a strong and almost-constant warming of the north-central pacific. ancient tree rings in baja california and mexico show there have been 11 such pdo shifts since 1650, averaging 23 years on length.

[weboy78]

do you have some sources about this scientist ? dmitriev, aleskey
( http://www.tmgnow.com/repository/global/planetophysical.html )

because i don't find nothing on this site
http://www.ras.ru/index.aspx?_language=en

[MarkM]

if you do a search on 'dmitriev' on the divine cosmos website, you'll find much reference, as dw cites dmitriev's research in detail.:)

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/06/03/uah-global-temperature-dives-in-may/

be well, be love.

david

uah: global temperature dives in may
2008

confirming what many of us have already noted from the anecdotal evidence coming in of a much cooler than normal may, such as late spring snows as far south as arizona, extended skiing in colorado, and delays in snow cover melting in many parts of the northern hemisphere, the university of alabama, huntsville (uah) published their satellite derived advanced microwave sounder unit data set of the lower troposphere for may 2008.

it is significantly colder globally, colder even than the significant drop to -0.046°c seen in january 2008.

the global ∆t from april to may 2008 was -.195°c

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://theheavystuff.com/?p=63

be well, be love.

david

have chemtrails stopped global warming?

hello fellow seekers and surfers looking for the heavy stuff (ths) - you have found it. today’s issue: why global warming has stopped. yes, stopped. actually, more accurately, it has formed a plateau and has been at a consistent level worldwide since 2001 — here’s a link to this side of the data — http://www.newstatesman.com/scitech/2007/12/global-warming-temperature .

now, just to be factual, no one is saying that it is cooler than a few decades ago - because it is warmer. indeed, no one is saying that it isn’t at the `highest level’ either - just that the data suggests that it no longer is increasing in temperature. that said, it is cooler than what was predicted for now just a few years ago according to the pattern of warming until then. and, each year that the temperature remains stable, humanity is further below the previous ominious projections.

[sergejsh]

arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

9 january 2008, voice of america
http://www.voanews.com/english/archive/2008-01/2008-01-09-voa12.cfm

quote:

"climate scientists at nasa's goddard space flight center in greenbelt, maryland, outside washington, say the arctic ocean could be mostly ice free in late summer 2013.

"the sea ice is decreasing faster than all the models predicted," says jay zwally, the ice satellite project scientist at nasa goddard, "we not only have the warming of the atmosphere, we have a warming of the ocean that is affecting this. it has been surprising to everybody, this decrease in area. this is a marked departure, and this is suggesting to us that maybe we are getting at this tipping point.""

[sergejsh]

climate change: prepare for global temperature rise of 4c, warns top scientist

august 7 2008, the guardian
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/06/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange


quotes:

"there is no doubt that we should aim to limit changes in the global mean surface temperature to 2c above pre-industrial," robert watson, the chief scientific adviser to the department for the environment, food and rural affairs, told the guardian. "but given this is an ambitious target, and we don't know in detail how to limit greenhouse gas emissions to realize a 2 degree target, we should be prepared to adapt to 4c."

* * *

"... watson's plea to prepare for the worst was backed up by the government's former chief scientific adviser, sir david king. he said that even with a comprehensive global deal to keep carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere at below 450 parts per million there is a 50% probability that temperatures would exceed 2c and a 20% probability they would exceed 3.5c.

"so even if we get the best possible global agreement to reduce greenhouse gasses on any rational basis you should be preparing for a 20% risk so i think bob watson is quite right to put up the figure of 4 degrees," he said.""

* * *

"at 4 degrees we are basically into a different climate regime," said prof neil adger, an expert on adaptation to climate change at the tyndall centre for climate change research in norwich.

"i think that is a dangerous mindset to be in. thinking through the implications of 4 degrees of warming shows that the impacts are so significant that the only real adaptation strategy is to avoid that at all cost because of the pain and suffering that is going to cost.

"there is no science on how we are going to adapt to 4 degrees warming. it is actually pretty alarming," he added."

* * *

[sergejsh]

the ottawa citizen, august 11, 2008
http://www.canada.com/topics/technology/science/story.html?id=93f9d0f6-4f11-4176-9e8a-783053479e9f

quotes:

"the arctic ocean ice cover, which appeared earlier this summer to be headed for a moderate recovery after last year's record-setting retreat, has begun disintegrating so rapidly in recent weeks that experts now say the ice loss by mid-september could exceed even 2007's history-making meltdown."

""we've never seen any kind of opening like this in history," senior ice forecaster luc desjardins said of the beaufort's exceptional loss of ice this summer. "it is not only record-setting, it's unprecedented. it doesn't resemble anything that we've observed before.""

"the persistent retreat of polar sea ice in recent years has convinced some researchers that the region is fast approaching a "tipping point" that could see nearly the entire arctic ice-free during the summer months as early as 2013."

[sergejsh]

courant.com, july 25, 2008
http://www.courant.com/news/nationworld/hc-epa0725.artjul25,0,5584555.story

quotes:

"the head of the environmental protection agency told the bush administration in december that high levels of man-made heat-trapping gases are causing global warming and endanger the american people, sen. barbara boxer, d-calif., said thursday after she reviewed the epa finding, which has not been made public.

the document is important because the supreme court ruled last year that if the epa administrator finds greenhouse gases endanger the public, then the government must regulate them — a move the administration opposes.

"this is the strongest language i have ever seen or that you have ever seen, and they are trying to lock it away," said boxer, who took notes on the document and shared them with reporters."

[sergejsh]

presented by james hansen, director of nasa goddard institute for space studies

august 2008. university of california television

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzymmrwldxy

nierenberg award recipient james hansen explores the global threats inherent in global warming.

[starwhite]

all this debate over global warming, pollution & oil shortages. how about people using common sense? how about soccer moms from the suburbs shouldn't drive hummers (about 9 miles to the gallon) to pick up their kids from school or make trips to the grocery store? what about all those people driving huge gas guzzling suv s to work when a small, fuel efficient car would do the same job and probably use less than half of the fuel? remember common sense people? its no wonder we are destroying our atmosphere & depleting our resources. a possible solution would be for the government to mandate and regulate what types of vehicles in the city people are allowed to operate on the road, this in turn would force automakers to produce more fuel efficient models. only businesses that had need of large trucks would be able to procure a permit to operate them. you people can debate this until you're all blue in the face, but i offer a solution(s) that would work here and now. am i right?

[Bill]

while, in principle, i agree, in reality, that will not work. as the saying goes, you can not legislate morality... or, basically, tell everyone what is right and wrong. most will rebel, especially when it strikes at what they believe is their right to free will.

the trick, if you wish to call it that, is to get everyone to see the outcomes of their choice, and how it connects back to them, and them let them make the choice that resonates with them.

[starwhite]

i disagree bill. i think it would work. i guarantee it. when people realize the grim alternative of $20.00 a gallon gasonline & diesel, and are unable to buy groceries and face the reality of a crashed world economy due to stupidity they will welcome little cars using less fuel. my plan would create a cleaner air, a stronger economy, and less dependence on oil in general. we should embrace the newest generation of fuel cells utilizing hydrogen. air cars are being manufactured as well. there is another thread on this. eventually we need to completely stop using fossil fuels.

[PriestOfLight]

there are 2 nice solutions i see to this.

one is to educate the public from grade school up (which it seems has failed)

or

raise the price of gas so people take the hint.


honestly, what else can you do besides make someone so poor or hit rock bottom that they can't afford anything or their world is falling apart.

i have talked to educated people about their new suv's and i always about the gas mileage of the car. they indicate it's not on the top of their list.

i don't get that since i grew up in the first gas crunch. i remember the lines and c*** going on.

jrr tolkien said it best..

it's the failure of man that they forget....

in the light and love of all that is

[LightEye]

dear friends,

imagine my surprise...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

be well, be love.

david

arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered there's something rotten north of denmark
by steven goddard → more by this authorpublished friday 15th august 2008 10:02 gmt

just a few weeks ago, predictions of arctic ice collapse were buzzing all over the internet. some scientists were predicting that the "north pole may be ice-free for first time this summer". others predicted that the entire "polar ice cap would disappear this summer".

the arctic melt season is nearly done for this year. the sun is now very low above the horizon and will set for the winter at the north pole in five weeks. and none of these dire predictions have come to pass. yet there is, however, something odd going on with the ice data.

the national snow and ice data center (nsidc) in boulder, colorado released an alarming graph on august 11, showing that arctic ice was rapidly disappearing, back towards last year's record minimum. their data shows arctic sea ice extent only 10 per cent greater than this date in 2007, and the second lowest on record. here's a smaller version of the graph:

the national snow and ice data center (nsidc)'s troublesome ice graph
the problem is that this graph does not appear to be correct. other data sources show arctic ice having made a nice recovery this summer. nasa marshall space flight center data shows 2008 ice nearly identical to 2002, 2005 and 2006. maps of arctic ice extent are readily available from several sources, including the university of illinois, which keeps a daily archive for the last 30 years. a comparison of these maps (derived from nsidc data) below shows that arctic ice extent was 30 per cent greater on august 11, 2008 than it was on the august 12, 2007. (2008 is a leap year, so the dates are offset by one.)

[sergejsh]

dear friends,

imagine my surprise...

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

be well, be love.

david

arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered there's something rotten north of denmark
by steven goddard → more by this authorpublished friday 15th august 2008 10:02 gmt

i think we should not rush with conclusions. need to wait for response from different sources, which analyzing events with climate change. i believe reaction will be soon.

[sergejsh]

source: nasa - global climate change, july 31, 2008

http://globalclimatechange.jpl.nasa.gov/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=shownews&newsid=16

"warming water and melting land ice have raised global mean sea level 4.5 centimeters (1.7 inches) from 1993 to 2008. but the rise is by no means uniform. this image (http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/pia11002), created with sea surface height data from the topex/poseidon and jason-1 satellites, shows exactly where sea level has changed during this time and how quickly these changes have occurred."

[Bill]

starwhite, re-read my post, and tell me how they are different.

most definetly, i believe if we had high gas prices, we would see people becoming more aware of their choices in transportation, and energy choices.

but, if you were to force that high price by the use of taxes or legislation, it will fail, because the people will revolt, as they will see it as the government limiting their rights, and thus free will.

if, however, the prices were to increase because of 'market economics', then i think you would see people making the choices of shifting to other sources out of their own free will... that is, if they start to understand the connections between their desire to drive low mileage vehicles and the high price of gas, that will cause them to change before a government imposed change.

just my two cents worth, but from someone who has plenty of experiences of trying to force others to change, and helping others see the connections in their choices... the second one is more impactful.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientist-predicts-ice-age-within-10-years.html

bewell, be love.

david

scientist predicts ice age within 10 years

university of mexico expert says lack of solar activity to cause significant cooling that will last over half a century
paul joseph watson
prison planet
tuesday, august 19, 2008

as evidence builds of the earth entering a dramatic cooling trend, another scientist has gone public with his conviction that we are about to enter a new ice age, rendering warnings about global warming fraudulent and irrelevant.

victor manuel velasco herrera of the institute of geophysics at the university of mexico states that “in about ten years the earth will enter a “little ice age” which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by the decrease in solar activity,” according to a report in the major mexican newspaper milenio diario.

herrera slammed the un intergovernmental panel on climate change’s (ipcc) stance on global warming as “erroneous” because of their failure to factor in the impact of solar activity.

the models and forecasts of the ipcc “is incorrect because only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity,” said herrera.

herrera states that the earth is entering a natural phase of climate transition during which solar activity will diminish considerably, “so that in two years or so, there will be a small ice age that lasts from 60 to 80 years.”

[LightEye]

dear friends,

what's really interesting are these 2 findings;

mars, jupiter, neptune’s largest moon, and pluto warmed at the same time as earth warmed;

in the past 70 years the sun was more active than at almost any other time in the past 11,400 years.

http://mensnewsdaily.com/2008/07/18/disproof-of-global-warming-hype-published/

be well, be love.

david

roger f. gay

disproof of global warming hype published
2008-07-18 at 1:19 pm

a mathematical proof that there is no “climate crisis” has been published in debate on global warming in physics and society, a scientific publication of the 46,000-strong american physical society.

christopher monckton, who once advised margaret thatcher, demonstrates via 30 equations that computer models used by the un’s climate panel (ipcc) were pre-programmed with overstated values for the three variables whose product is “climate sensitivity” (temperature increase in response to greenhouse-gas increase), resulting in a 500-2000% overstatement of co2’s effect on temperature in the ipcc’s latest climate assessment report, published in 2007.

the article, entitled climate sensitivity reconsidered demonstrates that later this century a doubling of the concentration of co2 compared with pre-industrial levels will increase global mean surface temperature not by the 6 °f predicted by the ipcc but, harmlessly, by little more than 1 °f. lord monckton concludes –

“… perhaps real-world climate sensitivity is very much below the ipcc’s estimates. perhaps, therefore, there is no ‘climate crisis’ at all. … the correct policy approach to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.”

[sergejsh]

http://www.prisonplanet.com/scientist-predicts-ice-age-within-10-years.html

scientist predicts ice age within 10 years
looks like contradiction - one sources are saying that there would be rising of temperature, another - there would be ice age.

poor people just don't know what to believe. i think that's exactly what "somebody" wants to happen.

i hear not once, that it is only on the level of public information and mass media. on the level of science it is clear already, what is what with climate change.

[sergejsh]

mars, jupiter, neptune’s largest moon, and pluto warmed at the same time as earth warmed;
i just have a question - if there would be no technologies on the earth and no people at all, is climate change on the earth would be the same?

as i know nobody says that there is no natural climate change. but would it have the same rate as with our activities? we should consider that we put alot of "garbage" in the atmosphere and that have particular results. as i know, analysis showing that there is no way to explain today's climate change only by natural causes. that's the point.

[sergejsh]

august 27, 2008, washington post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/26/ar2008082603014.html

"arctic sea ice has shrunk to the second-lowest level since record-keeping began three decades ago, a group of international researchers determined yesterday, a revelation underscoring how rapidly climate change is transforming ecosystems in northern latitudes.

the extent of arctic sea ice is now 2 million square miles below the long-term average for aug. 26, according to the international arctic research center and the japanese aerospace exploration agency, a figure that is within 400,000 square miles of the all-time record low set in september 2007. this figure is already below the long-term average for september ice cover and because the ice traditionally reaches its minimum level in mid-september, researchers warned that a new low might be recorded within weeks.

the national snow and ice data center (nsidc), which independently analyzes arctic ice cover, will announce today that it has reached the same conclusion, based on a five-day mean of satellite measurements.

"if we continue to lose ice at this rate, we will best" the 2007 record, said julienne stroeve, an research scientist. "we're going to lose that ice, so we've got to understand what this means for the rest of us."

[sergejsh]

26/08/2008, telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/08/26/eawhale226.xml

whales are losing weight because of climate change, according to japanese scientists.

the team for the institute of cetacean research in tokyo measured the bodies of more than 4,500 minkes that had been killed since the late 1980s when japan started its controversial whaling programme.

they found that the whales are getting thinner at an alarming rate and evidence suggests global warming could be to blame because it restricts food supplies.

[sergejsh]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/15/goddard_arctic_ice_mystery/

... arctic ice refuses to melt as ordered there's something rotten north of denmark
by steven goddard → more by this authorpublished friday 15th august 2008 10:02 gmt

arctic ice melt media misinformation retracted
25 aug 2008, desmogblog
http://www.desmogblog.com/arctic-ice-melt-media-misinformation-retracted

the register reporter steve goddard is admitting today that his article last week on melting arctic sea ice is incorrect:


"... it is clear that the nsidc graph is correct, and that 2008 arctic ice is barely 10% above last year - just as nsidc had stated."

too bad the damage has already been done. ...goddard's article has already caught fire in the climate blogosphere with over 70 references to the story according to blog search engine technorati.

[sergejsh]

august 26, 2008, national snow and ice data center
http://www.nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

"sea ice extent has fallen below the 2005 minimum, previously the second-lowest extent recorded since the dawn of the satellite era. will 2008 also break the standing record low, set in 2007? we will know in the next several weeks, when the melt season comes to a close. the bottom line, however, is that the strong negative trend in summertime ice extent characterizing the past decade continues."

[sergejsh]

sciencedaily, september 10, 2008
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080910160757.htm

[see illustration on website]

"when and how global oil production will peak has been debated, making it difficult to anticipate emissions from the burning of fuel and to precisely estimate its impact on climate. to better understand how emissions might change in the future, pushker kharecha and james hansen of nasa's goddard institute for space studies in new york considered a wide range of fossil fuel consumption scenarios. the research, published aug. 5 in the american geophysical union's global biogeochemical cycles, shows that the rise in carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels can be kept below harmful levels as long as emissions from coal are phased out globally within the next few decades.

"this is the first paper in the scientific literature that explicitly melds the two vital issues of global peak oil production and human-induced climate change," kharecha said. "we're illustrating the types of action needed to get to target carbon dioxide levels.""

[sergejsh]

dot earth blog - nytimes.com, september 9, 2008

http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/10/spy-agencies-to-warn-new-president-of-warmings-dangers/

"the post article describes a talk given last week by thomas fingar, the chairman of the national intelligence council:


by 2025, droughts, food shortages and scarcity of fresh water will plague large swaths of the globe, from northern china to the horn of africa. for poorer countries, climate change “could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back,” fingar said, while the united states will face “dust bowl” conditions in the parched southwest. he said u.s. intelligence agencies accepted the consensual scientific view of global warming, including the conclusion that it is too late to avert significant disruption over the next two decades.

the article said his speech also echoed a 2007 post here noting that in terms of population trends, the world is very much not flat:


… [a]mong industrialized states, declining birthrates will create new economic stresses as populations become grayer. in china, japan and europe, the ratio of working adults to seniors “begins to approach one to three,” he said.

population explosions in poor regions were also labeled a top threat recently by michael v. hayden, the director of the central intelligence agency."

[sergejsh]

interesting point of view expressed by harvard professor daniel gilbert (author of stumbling on happiness). he speaks about the psychology of global warming.

video at pop!tech conferences website:

http://www.poptech.org/popcasts/popcasts.aspx?lang=&viewcastid=163

[sergejsh]

sciencedaily, september 16, 2008
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080915162428.htm

“if you take reduced ice thickness into account, there is probably less ice overall in the arctic this year than in any other year since monitoring began,” said martin sommerkorn, wwf international arctic programme’s senior climate change advisor.

“this is also the first year that the northwest passage over the top of north america, and the northeast passage over the top of russia are both free of ice.”

dr. sommerkorn said the continuing loss of older, thicker ice means that the arctic ice cover is following a trend of becoming younger and thinner each year.

... the governments of the world are currently negotiating a new climate agreement to come into force from 2013 when the first phase of the kyoto protocol has ended.

“governments must speed up these talks and ensure to agree the new climate deal at the un summit in copenhagen in december 2009, just fifteen months from now, dr sommerkorn said.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

fintan presents interesting evidence for global cooling. we'll just have to wait and see now won't we...

http://breakfornews.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4657

be well, be love.

david

even as the global warming crew persist in their deeply dubious claims,
sunspots have vanished from the face of the sun --and the next sunspot
cycle is already about two years behind schedule. independent scientists
say this very scenario has caused a mini-ice age before. we prese

[sergejsh]

yahoo news, afp, september 22, 2008
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080922/sc_afp/denmarkgreenlandclimatewarming;_ylt=a0wncxqzi9pivr cazq0hcggf

"greenland's ice cap, which covers more than 80 percent of the island, is melting faster than expected because of global warming, a danish researcher said on monday.

the 1.8-million-square-kilometre (695,000-square-mile) ice cap, which accounts for 10 percent of the planet's fresh water, is losing about 257 cubic kilometres (62 cubic miles) of ice per year.

in 2080, it is expected to lose 465 cubic kilometres (111 cubic miles) per year, according to new estimates presented by a danish-us team of scientists at the international research center in fairbanks, alaska.

"the ice cap's melting season beat a new record in 2007, corresponding to a loss of 50 percent of the ice's total surface. and this record will not be the last one," he warned.

"the ice melt at the end of the 2070s will rise to 66 percent, or about 1.204 million square kilometres," said mernild, adding that the melting process was "occurring at faster rate than previously predicted."

the research team's calculations, based on climate models and the un climate panel's predicted scenarios, showed that "the average air temperature (in greenland) will rise by some 2.7 degrees by the end of the century," he said.

[sergejsh]

guardian, september 22 2008
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/sep/22/climatechange.scienceofclimatechange

"climate sceptics such as nigel lawson who argue that global warming has stopped have their "heads in the sand", according to the uk's met office.

a recent dip in global temperatures is down to natural changes in weather systems, a new analysis shows, and does not alter the long-term warming trend.

the office says average temperatures have continued their rising trend over the last decade, and that humans are to blame.

in a statement published on its website, it says: "anyone who thinks global warming has stopped has their head in the sand.

"the evidence is clear, the long-term trend in global temperatures is rising, and humans are largely responsible for this rise. global warming does not mean that each year will be warmer than the last."

"...vicky pope of the met office said the new research was in response to high-profile claims made by lawson (http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/03/climatechange.greenpolitics) the former chancellor, and others that the recent cooling showed that fears of climate change are overblown, and that temperatures are unlikely to rise as high as predicted.

she said: "i think it has confused people. we got a lot of emails asking whether global warming had stopped and it prompted us to look at the data again and try and understand the situation better.""

"...despite the recent cooling, average temperatures are still rising at 0.09c per decade, the office says - down from the record 0.33c per decade measured during the 1990s."

[sergejsh]

voice of america, september 17 2008
http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-09-17-voa43.cfm

"scientists from florida state university and the university of wisconsin report in the journal nature the most powerful tropical storms are becoming more intense. they analyzed 15 years of satellite and other data from nearly 200 tropical storms.

three years ago, another study found a near doubling of the number of the strongest hurricanes."

"...the underlying causes of the phenomenon are open to debate. however, the data strongly suggests wind speeds will increase in the strongest tropical storms for the next several years."

[sergejsh]

physorg, september 17, 2008
http://www.physorg.com/news140873176.html

"the earth will warm about 2.4° c (4.3° f) above pre-industrial levels even under extremely conservative greenhouse-gas emission scenarios and under the assumption that efforts to clean up particulate pollution continue to be successful, according to a new analysis by a pair of researchers at scripps institution of oceanography at uc san diego.

that amount of warming falls within what the world's leading climate change authority recently set as the threshold range of temperature increase that would lead to widespread loss of biodiversity, deglaciation and other adverse consequences in nature. the researchers, writing in the online edition of the proceedings of the national academy of sciences, argue that coping with these circumstances will require "transformational research for guiding the path of future energy consumption."

this paper demonstrates the major challenges society will have to face in dealing with a problem that now seems unavoidable," said the paper's lead author, scripps atmospheric and climate sciences professor v. ramanathan."

[sergejsh]

daily mail, uk, september 23 2008
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1060041/new-global-warming-threat-scientists-discover-massive-methane-time-bomb-arctic-seabed.html

"global warming could rapidly accelerate as millions of tons of methane escape from beneath the arctic seabed, scientists warned today.

huge deposits of the greenhouse gas - 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide - are rising to the surface as the arctic region heats up, according to preliminary findings.

researchers found massive stores of sub-sea methane in several areas across thousands of square miles of the siberian continental shelf and observed the gas bubbling up from the sea floor through 'chimneys', according to newspaper reports."

"...the researchers believe escaping sub-sea methane is connected to rises in temperatures in the arctic region."

"...'the growing evidence for release of methane in this inaccessible region may suggest that the permafrost lid is starting to get perforated and thus leak methane... the permafrost now has small holes.

'we have found elevated levels of methane above the water surface and even more in the water just below. it is obvious that the source is the seabed.'

the average temperature of the region has risen by 4c over recent decades,leading to a major decline in the area of the arctic ocean covered by summer sea ice."

[Billuminous]

here is another article with some more detail about the bursting methane bomb...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/exclusive-the-methane-time-bomb-938932.html

it is teotwawki. things are about to get really interesting...:eek:

[pm for movie name about things to come]

[LightEye]

dear friends,

interesting compelation from david pratt...

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/climatecon1.htm

be well, be love.

david

climate change controversies
david pratt

part 1: temperature trends (sep 2008)
part 2: unsettled science (nov 2008)

part 1: temperature trends

1. the past decade
proponents of the anthropogenic global warming (agw) doctrine, such as the un’s intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc), argue that emissions of co2 from the burning of fossil fuels are the main cause of the ‘unprecedented’ increase in worldwide surface temperatures since the late 1970s. other scientists dispute the claim that recent warming has been in any way unusual. they argue that the earth has been warming for most the past 400 years, since the depth of the little ice age, and that climate continues to be governed mainly by natural solar, oceanic and tectonic factors and related changes in cloudiness.

global temperatures peaked in 1998, the year of a very strong el niño, which was neither caused by global warming nor predicted by climate models. since then, co2 levels have risen sharply (by over 4%), yet global temperatures have remained essentially flat. since late 2001 all the four major official sources of global temperature data show a slight cooling trend (fig. 1.1).

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2008/10/is_oxygen_depletion_more_worry.html#more

be well, be love.

david

is oxygen depletion more worrying than global warming?

until recently, i had been under the impression that oxygen levels in the atmosphere are quite stable around 21 per cent, and have been so for a long time. however in a recent discussion about burning coal as fuel, i came across some interesting information that disproves the concept of a stable oxygen level.

historical trends, as explained in atmospheric oxygen, giant paleozoic insects and the evolution of aerial locomotor performance, r. dudley, jexb, and dudley show a high of about 35% just before the beginning of the permian, with a rapid decline to a low of about 13-14% near the beginning of the triassic, then a small spike at about 17% in mid triassic, another drop to about 14-15% early in the jurassic, a sudden climb to about 21% by mid-jurassic, then a gentle climb to about 26% early in the tertiary, and a rather constant, steady decline to the present "20.9%."

but even now, we are not necessarily assured of a more-than-20-per cent oxygen level in the air.

[sergejsh]

enn, october 9, 2008
http://www.enn.com/ecosystems/article/38375

"global warming calculations have been too optimistic, and the sea level round the globe is likely to rise a full metre this century, two senior german scientists warned wednesday. hans joachim schellnhuber, who heads the potsdam institute for research on global warming effects and jochem marotzke, a leading meteorologist, said un-backed data on climate change, predicting a rise of 18 to 59 centimetres, was out of date.

“we now have to expect that the sea level will rise by a metre this century,” - said schellnhuber in berlin.""

"...schnellnhuber, who is official adviser to german chancellor angela merkel on climate-change issues, said the new findings employed data unavailable to the intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc) for its most recent global warming report.

the two experts said the ipcc report had been based on data up to 2005 only, but since then ice loss in the arctic had doubled or tripled.

schnellhuber charged that 20 percent of the loss of the ice sheet on greenland could be directly linked to the added carbon dioxide emissions from new chinese coal-fired power stations."

[sergejsh]

american news project, october 1, 2008
http://americannewsproject.com/videos/131

[see video]

"recently, it was reported that the rate of carbon dioxide emission during the last seven years exceeded even the ipcc's worst-case scenario. both barack obama and john mccain have offered their support to global warming legislation in the past, but climate legislation continues to stall, as it has for more than a decade. why? in large part, because of an expensive, prolonged propaganda campaign waged by producers of big oil. and what did they look to for inspiration? big tobacco.

this story is aired in conjunction with the publication of the center for public integrity's report, global warming: heated denials, the organized effort to cast doubt on climate change (http://www.publicintegrity.org/articles/entry/731/)."

[sergejsh]

goddard institute for space studies, 16 september 2008
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/abstracts/2008/lean_rind.html

nasa reported, that the sun contributed "a very slight overall cooling in the past 25 years." the study, "how natural and anthropogenic influences alter global and regional surface temperatures: 1889 to 2006," (pdf document on nasa server) (http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2008/2008_lean_rind.pdf) finds:

"empirical models that combine natural and anthropogenic influences (at appropriate lags) capture 76% of the variance in the monthly global surface temperature record, suggesting that much of the variability arises from processes that can be identified and their impact on the global surface temperature quantified by direct linear association with the observations.

natural influences produce as much as 0.2 k warming during major enso events, near 0.3 k cooling following large volcanic eruptions and 0.1 k warming near maxima of recent solar cycles. to properly quantify their amplitudes, the natural and anthropogenic changes must be accounted for simultaneously when analyzing the surface temperature anomalies, since neglecting the influence of one can overestimate the influence of another. for this reason, we suggest that estimated solar cycle changes of 0.2 k and pinatubo cooling of 0.4 k are too large.

none of the natural processes can account for the overall warming trend in global surface temperatures. in the 100 years from 1905 to 2005, the temperature trends produce by all three natural influences are at least an order of magnitude smaller than the observed surface temperature trend reported by ipcc [2007]. according to this analysis, solar forcing contributed negligible long-term warming in the past 25 years and 10% of the warming in the past 100 years…"

[sergejsh]

sciencedaily, september 23, 2008
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/09/080918192943.htm

"abrupt climate change is a potential menace that hasn’t received much attention. that’s about to change. through its climate change prediction program, the u.s. department of energy’s office of biological and environmental research (ober) recently launched impacts – investigation of the magnitudes and probabilities of abrupt climate transitions – a program led by william collins of berkeley lab’s earth sciences division (esd) that brings together six national laboratories to attack the problem of abrupt climate change, or acc."

[sergejsh]

los angeles times, september 26, 2008
http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-na-warming26-2008sep26,0,6690604.story

"the world pumped up emissions of the chief human-produced global warming gas last year, setting a course that could push beyond leading scientists' projected worst-case scenario, international researchers said thursday.

the new numbers, which some scientists called "scary," were a surprise because experts thought an economic downturn would slow energy use. instead, carbon dioxide output rose 3% from 2006 to 2007.

that amount exceeds the most dire outlook for emissions from burning coal and oil and related activities as projected by a nobel prize-winning group of international scientists in 2007."

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.dailytech.com/alaskan+glaciers+grow+for+first+time+in+250+years/article13215.htm

also this;

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=10048

be well, be love.

david

boise breaks early snow record, where's the global warming?

snow fell in sydney, australia for the first time in 172 years this year. it snowed in buenos aires, argentina for the first time in 90 years last year. now idaho gets ealy snow. where's the global warming?

alaskan glaciers grow for first time in 250 years

high snowfall and cold weather to blame.

a bitterly cold alaskan summer has had surprising results. for the first time in the area's recorded history, area glaciers have begun to expand, rather than shrink. summer temperatures, which were some 3 degrees below average, allowed record levels of winter snow to remain much longer, leading to the increase in glacial mass.

"in mid-june, i was surprised to see snow still at sea level in prince william sound", said glaciologist bruce molnia. "in general, the weather this summer was the worst i have seen in at least 20 years".

[Billuminous]

temps in the arctic circle are averaging 9 degrees f above the norm right now.

arctic report card 2008
http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/reportcard/index.html

[Billuminous]

http://www.cosis.net/abstracts/egu2008/01526/egu2008-a-01526.pdf

[Billuminous]

after almost eight years of stability, atmospheric methane levels — measured every 40 minutes by monitors near remote coastal cliffs — suddenly started rising in 2006. the amount of methane in the air has jumped by nearly 28 million tons from june 2006 to october 2007. there is now more than 5.6 billion tons of methane in the air.
"if it's sustained, it's bad news," said mit atmospheric scientist ron prinn, lead author of the methane study, which will be published in the journal geophysical research letters oct. 31. "this is a heads up. we're seeing smoke. it remains to be seen whether this is the fire we're really worried about.

http://ap.google.com/article/aleqm5ibwc_yqdctxd24mbje6lmkwnubaad9415g5o0

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article.php?a_id=145646

be well, be love.

david

evidence of sunspot involvement in climate change compelling
published: 31 oct 08 - 0:00

over the last few years, the evidence that sunspots on our sun are directly related to climate change on earth has been steadily increasing.

i explained the exact proposed mechanism in some detail previously. great work in this field is being carried out by dr henrik svensmark and coworkers in denmark and elsewhere.

briefly, the mechanism is that cosmic rays impact on the earth from deep space. these cosmic rays penetrate our atmosphere and lead to the formation of cloud cover. the cosmic rays nucleate sites in the atmosphere, from which clouds form from the natural water vapour.

if one puts a spoonful of coffee powder into a cup of microwaved water, the water forms bubbles of foam on the coffee grains. this is basically the same principle as the cosmic rays forming clouds in the atmosphere.

the earth’s magnetic field, which acts as a shielding, is altered by the sun’s activity, which, in turn, is indicated by means of the number of sunspots. as the earth’s magnetic shield varies, so the cloud cover varies. few sunspots mean a weaker earth shield, which means more cosmic rays, which mean more clouds, which mean a cooling earth.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/new-and-cool
(the second article down the page)

be well, be love.

david

oct 31, 2008
“global warming” has stopped
lord christopher monckton

in a blog post, bill chameides says “global warming” is still happening. it isn’t. as the global temperature graph below shows, all four of the world’s major global surface temperature datasets (nasa giss; rss; uah; and hadley/university of east anglia) show a decline in temperatures that have now persisted for seven years.

‘global warming’? what ‘global warming’? all four of the world’s major surface temperature datasets show seven years of global cooling. the straight lines are the regression lines showing the trend over past seven years. it is decisively downward. chameides’ graph overleaf appears to have been tampered with to exclude the very rapid cooling that occurred between 2007 (the curve stops in january 2007, when a strong el nino artificially but temporarily boosted temperatures) and 2008. the fall in temperatures between january 2007 and january 2008, carefully not shown on chameides’ graph, was the greatest january-january fall since records began in 1880.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10783

be well, be love.

david

global cooling is here
evidence for predicting global cooling for the next three decades
by prof. don j. easterbrook
global research, november 2, 2008
department of geology, western washington university

global research editor's note

the following article represents an alternative view and analysis of global climate change, which challenges the dominant global warming consensus.

global research does not necessarily endorse the proposition of "global cooling", nor does it accept at face value the consensus on global warming. our purpose is to encourage a more balanced debate on the topic of global climate change.

introduction

despite no global warming in 10 years and recording setting cold in 2007-2008, the intergovernmental panel on climatic change (ipcc) and computer modelers who believe that co2 is the cause of global warming still predict the earth is in store for catastrophic warming in this century. ipcc computer models have predicted global warming of 1° f per decade and 5-6° c (10-11° f) by 2100 (fig. 1), which would cause global catastrophe with ramifications for human life, natural habitat, energy and water resources, and food production. all of this is predicated on the assumption that global warming is caused by increasing atmospheric co2 and that co2 will continue to rise rapidly.

[Billuminous]

november 3, 2008
atmospheric concentrations of methane, "a greenhouse gas more than 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide", have risen for the first time in eight years, prompting concern about the pace of climate change.

a global study in geophysical research letters found the first increase in methane levels this century — by about 28 million tonnes since mid-2006 — was in part due to release of gas in and near the arctic.

csiro senior climate scientist paul fraser said the data was in line with predictions that rapid melting of arctic ice would create natural wetlands, one of the most common methane emitters. "this is not good news for global warming," he said.

over the past decade, methane emitted from wetlands, rice fields, cattle, bushfires and coalmines had been largely offset by absorption of the gas by dry soil and through atmospheric oxidation, dr fraser said.

"over the past year, the total sources have overwhelmed the total sinks and methane has started to rise," he said.

methane is estimated to be responsible for about 20% of global warming since the industrial revolution.

the published study comes after british newspaper the independent reported that scientists aboard a russian research ship had found millions of tonnes of subsea methane was bubbling to the surface and being released into the atmosphere off the siberian coast this northern summer.

research published in nature geoscience last week found the first evidence that the rise in antarctic temperatures in recent decades was caused by human-induced emissions of greenhouse gas.

the research, led by british scientist nathan gillett, compared temperature rises at the arctic and antarctic since 1900 with four computer simulations. only models that factored in man-made emissions were able to reproduce the changes observed in the real world. this is a step on from last year's un intergovernmental panel on climate change report, which identified evidence of man-made climate change on every continent except antarctica.

climate emergency news (http://climateemergencynews.blogspot.com/2008/11/fears-mount-as-arctic-melt-prompts.html)

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.physorg.com/news145187972.html

be well, be love.

david

after 2 centuries of shrinking, alaska glaciers got thicker this year
by craig medred, space & earth science / earth sciences

two hundred years of glacial shrinkage in alaska, and then came the winter and summer of 2007-2008. unusually large amounts of winter snow were followed by unusually chill temperatures in june, july and august.

"in mid-june, i was surprised to see snow still at sea level in prince william sound," said u.s. geological survey glaciologist bruce molnia. "on the juneau icefield, there was still 20 feet of new snow on the surface of the taku glacier in late july. at bering glacier, a landslide i am studying, located at about 1,500 feet elevation, did not become snow free until early august.

"in general, the weather this summer was the worst i have seen in at least 20 years."

never before in the history of a research project dating back to 1946 had the juneau icefield witnessed the kind of snow buildup that came this year. it was similar on a lot of other glaciers too.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1085359/global-warning-we-actually-heading-new-ice-age-claim-scientists.html

be well, be love.

david

global warning: we are actually heading towards a new ice age, claim scientists
by cher thornhill

it has plagued scientists and politicians for decades, but scientists now say global warming is not the problem.

we are actually heading for the next ice age, they claim.

british and canadian experts warned the big freeze could bury the east of britain in 6,000ft of ice.

[litllady]

hello to all,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27704012/

beijing - thick brown clouds of soot, particles and chemicals stretching from the persian gulf to asia threaten health and food supplies in the world, the u.n. reported thursday, citing what it called the newest threat to the global environment.

the regional haze, known as atmospheric brown clouds, contributes to glacial melting, reduces sunlight and helps create extreme weather conditions that impact agricultural production, according to the report commissioned by the u.n. environment program.

the huge plumes have darkened 13 megacities in asia — including beijing, shanghai, bangkok, cairo, mumbai and new delhi — sharply "dimming" the amount of light by as much as 25 percent in some places.

peace to all,
lynette

[LightEye]

dear friends,

hate when this happens...

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?fuseaction=minority.blogs&contentrecord_id=bc1bbad9-802a-23ad-4547-af3df032e569

be well, be love.

david

‘planet has cooled since bush took office’ – scientists continue dissenting – gore admits 'i've failed badly' - global sea ice grows!

global warming theory has ‘failed consistently and dramatically’

washington dc - the bad news for global warming alarmists just keeps rolling in. below is a very small sampling of very inconvenient developments for gore, the united nations, and the mainstream media. peer-reviewed studies, analyses, and prominent scientists continue to speak out to refute climate fears. the majority of data presented below is from just the past few weeks. also see: u.s. senate minority report: “over 400 prominent scientists (and rapidly growing) disputed man-made global warming claims in 2007” & ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming collapses in 2008 - july 18, 2008 & an august 2007 report detailed how proponents of man-made global warming fears enjoy a monumental funding advantage over skeptical scientists. link

[angiem]

i have over the last few days watch with disgust, the media promote global warming issue untruths.
now i dont have an issue with the fact that this is happening, but in watching the news, i was surprised at how much they are trying to push this issue, but push it with completly incorrect information.

bbc report: locust swarms plague australia there are links all over the web on this

we are experiencing this as we have done every year, they are a pest, but in no way are they the problem that they are promoting here.

next was a report on the murray darling:
the murray extends across almost the whole of inland south-eastern australia is part of the murray-darling basin. it covers an area 1,450 kilometres long and 1,000 kilometres wide and consists largely of plains rising to the great dividing range on its eastern and southern rim.

the murray-darling basin includes the act, and parts of qld, nsw, vic and sa and covers 1,058,800 square kilometres or approximately one seventh (14%) of the total area of australia.

the 'river murray system' includes:

the main course of the river murray and all its catchments
tributaries entering the river murray upstream of albury, and
the darling river downstream of the menindee lake storage.

in this report: again you can do some research on this through various web sites, it put global warming down to the state of the above system. which is completley incorrect. this system is being destroyed by the farmers and by chemical run off from trying to spray their crops (this has been proven many times over: http://www.clw.csiro.au/publications...01/tr43-01.pdf ) and the fact they they have removed all of the tree along the farming comunities so that they could access the water easier (plus stealing the water, as they have allocations and dont heed these and end up just taking what they want). so it has no natural cleaning mechanism available anymore. plus there were also a lot of mines around the murray, which also doesnt help with the errosion problem.
i know that the media is full of disinformation, but my goodness, this was just utter bs (sorry for swearing). i was so disgusted, that i nearly blew my hubbies ears of the the roars of anger i felt toward the media in publishing this crud, the worst thing is that, there are people out there that dont do their research on this stuff and believe them hook line and sinker.

[peelstreetguy]

global warming is a load of crap! they would tax the air we breathe if they thought they could get away with it. al gore is one of their toadies. now polution is a real problem.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

link to part i in the article.

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/climatecon2.htm

be well, be love.

david

part 2: unsettled science

6. ipcc bias

the intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc) was founded in 1988 to assess ‘the scientific, technical and socioeconomic information relevant for the understanding of the risk of human-induced climate change’. although depicted as an authoritative body that produces balanced reports, the reality is very different. 2500 scientists are said to be involved in the ipcc process, but the vast majority have no direct influence on the conclusions expressed in its reports, which are controlled by a small clique of scientists wedded to the doctrine that human co2 emissions are causing dangerous global warming.

the summary for policymakers (spm) that accompanies each ipcc report is traditionally a simplistic, rather alarmist document designed to persuade politicians and the public that urgent action is needed to curb greenhouse gas emissions. government-appointed bureaucrats revise the spm line by line; in the case of the 2007 spm, just 52 scientists were involved in approving the changes proposed by delegates from 115 countries. spms are highly selective summaries of the voluminous science reports, which are typically over 800 pages long. although the science reports are very informative, they are biased, selective, misleading and unreliable on many subjects. a major problem is that chapter authors are frequently direct participants in the controversies and disputes that they have to summarize. experience shows that they tend to showcase their own articles and those of their associates.

the ipcc’s third assessment report (tar), which appeared in 2001, was noteworthy for its use of spurious scientific papers to back up its claim of ‘new and stronger evidence’ of anthropogenic global warming. one of these was the infamous ‘hockey stick’ paper, which is now known to contain basic statistical flaws. the ipcc also cited a paper claiming that pre-1940 warming was of human origin and caused by greenhouse gases. this work, too, contained fundamental errors in its statistical analysis (singer, 2008), and the ipcc now attributes only post-1975 warming mainly to anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

the fourth assessment report (ar4) was published in 2007. the summary for policymakers was released in february 2007, three months before the bulk of the working group i (wg i) report the physical science basis that it was supposedly summarizing! this was said to be necessary so that the main report could be brought into line with the conclusions in the summary for policymakers. this is certainly a novel approach to doing ‘science’! as already illustrated in section 3, ar4 is marred by errors and misrepresentations, and ignores scientific data that would upset its major conclusion – that warming over the past few decades is ‘unprecedented’ and is mainly caused by anthropogenic greenhouse gases.

[weboy78]

global warming to serve politicians

russian academy of sciences officially claims main reasons of global warming are totally different from that announced by un intergovernmental panel on climate change (ipcc).

experts of ipcc’s working group concluded that main reason of global climate warming was emission of various greenhouse gases. such a conclusion was reported during a press-conference by one of the research supervisors, who based his words on numerous research results and mathematical modeling of climate changes.

ipcc’s report describes in detail possible effects of climatic changes on environment, human beings and society and predicts further changes, as well as suggests some mitigation measures. the essence of suggested “therapy” is lowering greenhouse gases’ emissions. ipcc experts calculated that as little as 0.5% of world gdp (gross domestic product) would be enough for development and assimilation of technologies, allowing decrease of gaseous emissions in 2030 (reaching figures of 1990). ...

http://www.russia-ic.com/education_science/science/breakthrough/709/

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2008/12/29/don-easterbrooks-agu-paper-on-potential-global-cooling/

we are all light made solid.

david

don easterbrook’s agu paper on potential global cooling
29 12 2008

don sent me his agu paper for publication and discussion here on wuwt, and i’m happy to oblige - anthony

abstracts of american geophysical union annual meeting, san francisco dec., 2008

solar influence on recurring global, decadal, climate cycles recorded by glacial fluctuations, ice cores, sea surface temperatures, and historic measurements over the past millennium

easterbrook, don j., dept. of geology, western washington university, bellingham, wa 98225,

global, cyclic, decadal, climate patterns can be traced over the past millennium in glacier fluctuations, oxygen isotope ratios in ice cores, sea surface temperatures, and historic observations. the recurring climate cycles clearly show that natural climatic warming and cooling have occurred many times, long before increases in anthropogenic atmospheric co2 levels. the medieval warm period and little ice age are well known examples of such climate changes, but in addition, at least 23 periods of climatic warming and cooling have occurred in the past 500 years. each period of warming or cooling lasted about 25-30 years (average 27 years). two cycles of global warming and two of global cooling have occurred during the past century, and the global cooling that has occurred since 1998 is exactly in phase with the long term pattern. global cooling occurred from 1880 to ~1915; global warming occurred from ~1915 to ~1945; global cooling occurred from ~1945-1977;, global warming occurred from 1977 to 1998; and global cooling has occurred since 1998. all of these global climate changes show exceptionally good correlation with solar variation since the little ice age 400 years ago.

the ipcc predicted global warming of 0.6° c (1° f) by 2011 and 1.2° c (2° f) by 2038, whereas easterbrook (2001) predicted the beginning of global cooling by 2007 (± 3-5 yrs) and cooling of about 0.3-0.5° c until ~2035. the predicted cooling seems to have already begun. recent measurements of global temperatures suggest a gradual cooling trend since 1998 and 2007-2008 was a year of sharp global cooling. the cooling trend will likely continue as the sun enters a cycle of lower irradiance and the pacific ocean changed from its warm mode to its cool mode.

[BenOne]

the cooling trend will likely continue as the sun enters a cycle of lower irradiance and the pacific ocean changed from its warm mode to its cool mode.

this is the first i have read a report about the recent ocean cooling. i have been watching this ocean temperature map for a number of years. in the past year i have seen a large change.

http://icons.wunderground.com/data/images/sst_basin/gl_sst.gif

weather underground (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical)
the area of black or 40 f and below water, south of the bering straight near alaska, around a year ago was pink 50 f . i have observed also the area of black near anarctica widen a great deal. you can see on this map how the cool water from the north and south poles is pooling against the continents.

it's like, every so often the earth freezes solid, then melts for while until it freezes again. pretty good climate control!

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2008/01/top_russian_scientistglobal_co.html

be well, be love.

david

top russian scientist: global cooling coming
randall hoven

these pages recently said goodbye to global warming. ironically, the current spell of global warming, such as it is, can be expected to end just as the kyoto treaty ends in 2012, but having nothing to do with reduced emissions from fossil fuels. for the remainder of this century, it will be global cooling we'll have to worry about, according to highly credentialed russian scientist, dr. oleg sorokhtin.

dr. sorokhtin, merited scientist of russia and fellow of the russian academy of natural sciences, is staff researcher of the oceanology institute. he explains the recent warming as a natural trend.

"earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. it started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. the current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases."
so what will happen in the future?

[Djonne]

well personally i have two opinions or theories about global cooling

n1 is simple: the sun diminished it's activity

n2: people said that some gases gave trouble to uv rays and all others, to get out of our athmosphere, but logically, if they have trouble going out, they have trouble coming in, and so, without much more coming in, our earth is cooling.

anyway, earth will heal itself, though we can all help her.
nature is perfect in every aspect, so i do not worry about a *global cooling*

[KassandraLoves]

well personally i have two opinions or theories about global cooling

n1 is simple: the sun diminished it's activity

n2: people said that some gases gave trouble to uv rays and all others, to get out of our athmosphere, but logically, if they have trouble going out, they have trouble coming in, and so, without much more coming in, our earth is cooling.

anyway, earth will heal itself, though we can all help her.
nature is perfect in every aspect, so i do not worry about a *global cooling*

i dunno, im beginning to think gobal cooling may be on its way. due to the increasing severity of the winters here in the pacific northwest, an area where its supposed to me moderate climate. the pacific northwest has gotten absolutely battered the last few years, weve gotten way more snow than ever, and colder winters than weve ever known how to handle...

i have watched the weather change and colder seems to be a trend, so i dont know whats going to happen but ive got my eyes on it...

[Light]

i'm not sure if anyone has talked about this, i believe i heard this on the new last week and i suggest going to google news about it, the epa is considering imposing an annual tax upon every methane emitting animal.

the proposed methane gas emissions tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per beef cattle, and $20 per pig.

[transiten]

excusez-moi, but now i'm totally:confused:

would someone please tell me how these two concepts go together!

david wilcock refers to nasa:s information that global warming is occurring on every planet in our solar system, ices melting on mars and so on, and now info is posted on this forum that oceans are cooling and pple confirm they believe the earth is probably cooling:confused:

sometimes i wish david wilcock could straighten out some of the questionmarks that constantly pop up, especially now when mercury is retrograding and misunderstandings are frequent and information is missing. not that he is allknowing, but he started this website.

what i have heared about weatherchanges is that stability in weatherpatterns decrease and that places that used to be cold get warmer and vice versa.

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[BenOne]

david wilcock refers to nasa:s information that global warming is occurring on every planet in our solar system, ices melting on mars and so on, and now info is posted on this forum that oceans are cooling and pple confirm they believe the earth is probably cooling:confused:

i think these things go together. as the air warms over the land and ice, it causes the ice to melt. as the almost freezing degree water of the poles fill up the ocean, it causes the ocean temperature to cool. the oceans are very deep, so, dumping ton's of ice water everyday has a larger effect than does the increased air temperature at the surface. eventually this supper cooled ocean water will cool the enviroment to the point of freezing. poles will rebuild, glaciers will reform. sun will come out and everything will melt again.

ice ages happen. my house sits where an ancient glacier once sat. i live on a mountain in idaho and have river rock from montana!

[Eddie]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090112/sc_afp/denmarkresearchclimategeology_newsmlmmd

this summary on yahoo news is rather pithy, but if i interpret the article correctly, this danish study would tend to confirm david's contention that global climate change is a phenomenon of the whole solar system, insomuch as the earth's climate is "highly influenced by galactic cosmic ray (gcr) particles penetrating the earth's atmosphere.".

[transiten]

ok then benone

i've understood that the hurricanes are increasing due to the warming up of the water ont the surface of the oceans. one theory is that the golfstream might stop altogether because of that and cause a climate similar to greenland in the nordic countries. if the oceans are cooling instead we will have the same scenario then.

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[KassandraLoves]

i'm not sure if anyone has talked about this, i believe i heard this on the new last week and i suggest going to google news about it, the epa is considering imposing an annual tax upon every methane emitting animal.

the proposed methane gas emissions tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per beef cattle, and $20 per pig.

yeah, they would love that! then we would all be forced to stop having our own stock/game/etc because we couldnt afford it. the small time farming would be scarce and then big time farming outfits would rake it in. not only that, but we'd have to eat and drink all the nice little chemicals they put in their animals.

eeep! i hope this doesnt happen! i dont want to be doomed to chemical ingestion because of some stupid "methane" taxing. gimme a break...

[transiten]

in the video lighteye just posted in the new barackobamathread, hoagland says that the oceans are heating up.

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[Berry Chastain]

we would then all have to become vegans, but then they would tax the ground that the vegitables were being grown on. lol i can hardly afford fresh vegitables already because they are almost as expensive as meat.

it makes one look forward to the shift all the more and anticipate a more equitable world.

[Berry Chastain]

kassandralove,
haven't you heard, the global warming is over. we are now going for a new ice age. you can believe that with what the weather is doing all over the world. methane is going to refreeze and the feds will be wishing for some more of it to warm things up. i have a friend in india who is experiencing the coldest weather they have ever had in his lifetime. this is in a desert area where it rarely gets cold! ah so, the changes are happening faster every day.

[transiten]

hello berry!

are you talking to me, transiten? i'm the one stating that david wilcock and richard hoagland are talking about global warming. i never read anywhere that david says we are encountering a new iceage and that the global warming we experience is melting the ices on earth cooling the ocenas etc.

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[KassandraLoves]

kassandralove,
haven't you heard, the global warming is over. we are now going for a new ice age. you can believe that with what the weather is doing all over the world. methane is going to refreeze and the feds will be wishing for some more of it to warm things up. i have a friend in india who is experiencing the coldest weather they have ever had in his lifetime. this is in a desert area where it rarely gets cold! ah so, the changes are happening faster every day.

yeah no joke. the pacific northwest is colder than ive ever experienced lately....

[BenOne]

written by dr. jeff masters jan 12 09

the top climate story of 2008, as it was in 2007, was the extraordinary summertime sea ice retreat in the arctic. for the second consecutive year, we experienced the opening of the fabled northwest passage (http://www.wunderground.com/climate/northernpassages.asp) through the canadian arctic waters. explorers have been attempting to sail the northwest passage since 1497, and 2007 and 2008 are the only known years the passage has been ice-free. in addition, 2008 saw the simultaneous opening of the northeast passage along the coast of russia. this meant that for the first time in recorded history, the arctic ice cap was an island--one could completely circumnavigate the arctic ocean in ice-free waters. although the summer ice extent in 2008 finished 9% higher than 2007's record minimum, it was still an extraordinary 34% below average, according to the national snow and ice data center (http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/). furthermore, the ice was thinner at the september 2008 minimum compared to 2007, so the total ice volume (thickness times area) was probably at its lowest point in recorded history in 2008.

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melting ice. gallons of ice water melting into the oceans at the poles. this is represented by black in this image:

http://icons.wunderground.com/data/images/sst_basin/gl_sst.gif


what do you think might be some possible earth responses to this sudden cooling?

what is the next possible enviromental transition after a sudden ocean cooling?

how might this effect life on earth?

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[Berry Chastain]

liliane, no dear one, i wasn't addressing you directly, merely opening my mouth and inserting my stinky foot. lol i agree with you that david has not and probably will not say we are approaching a new ice age. it just seems so in places, and i was parroting some of the msm news articles. i don't believe we are either, but the whole global climate system is changing drasticly and causing localized extremes in weather, such as the extensive cold spell we are experiencing here in the us and elsewhere. i know that 2008 was the second warmest year on record following only 2006. the fact that the average temperature was that high means even with extreme cold spells in some areas, other areas were even hotter than usual.

the strange quiet period on the sun is also causing some of these weather anomlies, and i anticipate that this will change wildly in a short period of time with a sudden burst of sun spots and ejections. cycle 24 is overdue and will probably appear with a dramatic entrance.

[transiten]

hi berry!

i adressed you in that way because i thought you mixed my and kassandras post up! i also expressed exactly the same thing as you do now earlier on in the thread; that these anomalies are a sign of weatherchanges, no stability and cold in warm places and vice versa!

today was a wonderful crispy :)ny day in gothenburg and me and my dog have made a very long walk, looking at the elks/moose behind a fence and deer outside! happy i'm able to enjoy the now and not alwyas think about the negative weatherchanges.

[KassandraLoves]

yeah, i think so too. im not focusing too hard on the weather changes but its easily noticeable by even the very non-observant average joe right now....

the earth? she's a-changing. that i know for sure. and guess what? we are going to change right along with her. whether we happen to be wearing parkas or flipflops and shorts....

love and light! <3 <3

[samncheese]

a few years ago my uncle was forced to sell his dairy farm to developers because the county ( one in southwest washington state ) made him licence his cows like cars because they claimed they produced too much pollution...

[angiem]

well it seems we are going from one extreme to another in australia. we are now, as you have all prolly heard, in the midst of a heat wave. there are many suffering and dying (elderly, animals etc), its getting to the point whereas you just dont want to go outside. all that you want is to sit on the hot couch and be a potatoe:)
thought i would attach a few photos of a baby koala making use of whats around him to get away from the heat.

hopefully it will come through:)

[The Straction]

hello, i'm steve, new to the thread thing and not sure if i'm posting properly, but i wanted to pose a question, embedded with more questions of course. as someone reading or researching or knowing might already know. so, the idea is this. as discovered. the speed of sound is not constant. due to temperature variation and barometric pressure and other variables i'm certainly not aware of, the speed of sound can fluctuate some based on simple deviations of these parameters. well, my question is then this. should anyone have further comment and help me to understand more. would it be possible to stabilize temperature, with sound? maybe not global temperatures. maybe not specific rooms in the house. maybe not specific cities in the cold desert that might also feel temperate during summer. does this sound possible? the speed of sound can be altered by temperature changes. so why not affect temperature with sound itself? probably nothing practical here. mostly speculative. if landing a probe on mercury for example, which might have a lifespan of less than an hour before it burned up. does it sound possible to surround the craft with certain soundwaves and shield it from heat. conversely, a submersible rover on a saturnian moon, shielded by sound so as to not freeze working parts. a satellite in orbit. needing toxic gasses to cool its' gears, so to speak, instead, using sound. a small cabin in the arctic circle, heated with sound. a shack in death valley, cooled with sound. the energy requirements would be dramatically lower. so my question is the same, if anyone has ideas to run with it. if the once thought constant, speed of sound, can be altered with subtle spikes or drops in barometric pressure or temperature, could not the opposite be true?

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/05/icemelt-could-shift-earth_n_164414.html

be well, be love.

david

icemelt could shift earth's rotation, moving water northward
february 5, 2009 05:26 pm est |

washington — long-term sea level increases that could have a devastating effect on southern florida and highly populated coastal areas may be even larger than once thought, a report suggests.

some studies have suggested that melting of ice in antarctica and other areas could raise sea levels by 16 feet to 17 feet over the long run, a potential threat to coastal areas such as washington, d.c., new york city and california.

but a report in friday's edition of the journal science warns that factors not previously considered could one day boost that increase to up to 21 feet in some areas.

the study did not list a time frame for such a dramatic change. but co-author peter clark, a geoscientist at oregon state university, stressed that they "aren't suggesting that a collapse of the west antarctic ice sheet is imminent."

the most recent international panel on climate change report estimated sea level rise of up to 3 feet by the end of this century.

[angiem]

hey everyone,
well its getting very difficult here, there are people and animals hurting across the board from the extreme heat.
the fires have ravaged a fair amount of victoria, and it has now started in new south wales (nsw), none here in the act, which is surrounded by nsw forest lands.
its hard to watch the reports on tv at the moment, as the look of devastation of those that have lost is hard to look at, then we have the reports of those that have died, mainly due to leaving to late and being trapped, so please if your home and there is fire, dont leave it to the last moment to leave, make an early call if you need to. then we have animals coming in from everywhere, no longer concerned about human contact, just wishing to settle somewhere nice and away from the heat. there a reports everywhere of them being fed and watered and enjoying it:)
there are now severe flooding in the northern end of australia, so much that once clean up action starts when the waters receded, they have to prepare again, for another onset of the rain rising the waters, but, from what i can understand so far, the floods have not hurt or killed anyone (tg)
just ask that you pass on a prayer for those that are suffering here at this time.

love and light
angie

[Aghsan Branch]

here's a dissenting voice to the human-caused global warming theory and he'll be talking at an upcoming conference on global warming. maybe this will inspire more research, openness and courage in addressing this question; rather than fear, despair and defeatism.

ex-astronaut: global warming is bunk

santa fe, n.m. — former astronaut harrison schmitt, who walked on the moon and once served new mexico in the u.s. senate, doesn’t believe that humans are causing global warming.

“i don’t think the human effect is significant compared to the natural effect,” said schmitt, who is among 70 skeptics scheduled to speak next month at the international conference on climate change in new york.

schmitt contends that scientists “are being intimidated” if they disagree with the idea that burning fossil fuels has increased carbon dioxide levels, temperatures and sea levels.

“they’ve seen too many of their colleagues lose grant funding when they haven’t gone along with the so-called political consensus that we’re in a human-caused global warming,” schmitt said.

dan williams, publisher with the chicago-based heartland institute, which is hosting the climate change conference, said he invited schmitt after reading about his resignation from the planetary society, a nonprofit dedicated to space exploration.

schmitt resigned after the group blamed global warming on human activity. in his resignation letter, the 74-year-old geologist argued that the “global warming scare is being used as a political tool to increase government control over american lives, incomes and decision making.”


http://green.foxnews.com/2009/02/16/ex-astronaut-global-warming-is-bunk/

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2009/03/02/global-warming-pause.html

be well, be love.

david

global warming: on hold?
michael reilly, discovery news

march 2, 2009 -- for those who have endured this winter's frigid temperatures and today's heavy snowstorm in the northeast, the concept of global warming may seem, well, almost wishful.

but climate is known to be variable -- a cold winter, or a few strung together doesn't mean the planet is cooling. still, according to a new study in geophysical research letters, global warming may have hit a speed bump and could go into hiding for decades.

earth's climate continues to confound scientists. following a 30-year trend of warming, global temperatures have flatlined since 2001 despite rising greenhouse gas concentrations, and a heat surplus that should have cranked up the planetary thermostat.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.wisn.com/weather/18935841/detail.html

be well, be love.

david

uw-milwaukee study could realign climate change theory

scientists claim earth is undergoing natural climate shift

milwaukee -- the bitter cold and record snowfalls from two wicked winters are causing people to ask if the global climate is truly changing.

the climate is known to be variable and, in recent years, more scientific thought and research has been focused on the global temperature and how humanity might be influencing it.

however, a new study by the university of wisconsin-milwaukee could turn the climate change world upside down.

scientists at the university used a math application known as synchronized chaos and applied it to climate data taken over the past 100 years.

"imagine that you have four synchronized swimmers and they are not holding hands and they do their program and everything is fine; now, if they begin to hold hands and hold hands tightly, most likely a slight error will destroy the synchronization. well, we applied the same analogy to climate," researcher dr. anastasios tsonis said.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/03/22/natural-drivers-of-weather-and-climate/#more-6426

be well, be love.

david

editorial - natural drivers of weather and climate
bob foster
director, the lavoisier group, australia
fosbob [- at -] bigpond.com

will it be warmer or cooler? policy-makers need to know; because human well-being depends on them being correctly informed. confusingly, there are two plausible – but mutually-exclusive - hypotheses as to the direction of climate-change within the planning horizon of governments. which will be proven right?

the scientific consensus invokes an autonomous earth with a self-contained climate – stable and benign, until only now disturbed by people burning fossil fuels. in this people-driven-climate hypothesis, variability of external influences is minuscule – and in the policy sense, irrelevant. for planning purposes, earth can be treated as if it were travelling in an empty universe.

however, a substantial number of scientists disagree; and as the flow of satellite observations becomes a flood, their number grows apace. contrarians assert that, at all human-relevant time-scales, factors external to our planet – some identified and, doubtless, some not – powerfully influence a climate that has always varied. the preindustrial arcadia mourned by the scientific consensus is a myth. in this variable-sun/earth-connection hypothesis, external influences on weather and climate far outweigh those from people. our climate is not self-contained.

if you find this double-issue to be an even handed treatment of the climate-change dichotomy, i will have failed. indeed, it was my intention to select papers which cast doubt on the dominant paradigm of a people-driven-climate. i here set the scene by drawing on two from the legion of available examples of the solar-antipathy endemic among mainstream climate scientists.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8009492.stm

be well, be love.

david

scientists warn sun has dimmed

the sun is the dimmest and quietest it has been for a century.

scientists say images from its surface show a marked decline in events such as sunspots and solar flares, but they say it will not be enough to prevent global warming.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

you can download the book for free.

http://www.globalweathercycles.com/

be well, be love.

david



truth about global warming

for a limited time download the global warming e-book


new research indicates climate similar to the 1800s within the next 15 years:

first stage of global cooling will begin during 2008-2009

new research findings released in the peer reviewed book "global warming -- global cooling, natural cause found," links seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles as the cause for all 2200 global warming events during the past half million years, including the earth's current warming cycle. it also links the cycles to a natural 50 percent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide during the 10,000 year period leading up to the peak of all recurring 116,000 year mega global warming cycles. meteorologist and climate researcher david dilley of global weather oscillations http://www.globalweathercycles.com, says the gravitational cycles act like a magnet by pulling the atmosphere's high pressure systems northward or southward by as much as 3 or 4 degrees of latitude from their normal seasonal positions. as the current gravitational cycle declines, global temperatures will begin cooling during 2008-09 with dramatic global cooling by 2023.

ocala, fl (prweb) july 8, 2008 - new findings released in the peer reviewed book "global warming -- global cooling, natural cause found", meteorologist and climate researcher david dilley utilizes nearly a half million years of data linking long term gravitational cycles of the moon as the cause for the present global warming, rises in carbon dioxide levels, and for 2200 global warming cycles during the past half million years.

mr. dilley of global weather oscillations has found seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles ranging from the very warm 460,000 year cycle down to a 230 year recurring global warming cycle. all of the gravitational cycles coincide nearly 100 percent with 2200 global warming events during the past half million years. this includes the earth's current warming cycle which began around the year 1900, and the first stage of global cooling that will begin during 2008 and 2009.

[weboy78]

is global warming part of earth's natural cycle: mit team says "yes" -a galaxy insight

a team of mit scientists recorded a nearly simultaneous world-wide increase in methane levels -the first increase in ten years. what baffles the team is that this data contradicts theories stating humans are the primary source of increase in greenhouse gas. it takes about one full year for gases generated in the highly industrial northern hemisphere to cycle through and reach the southern hemisphere. since all worldwide levels rose simultaneously throughout the same year, however, it is probable that this may be part of a natural cycle - and not the direct result of man's contributions.
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/06/is-global-warming-part-of-earths-natural-cycle-mit-team-says-yes.html

[BJ ∞ Living in the Now]

warming: why the fractality solution may make more sense- than the carbon solution.

i understand that all planets are changing and it is not human-made (at least mostly, as dw shows in the research, and now mit admitting to it).

however, i keep up with fractality science and its solutions to every aspect of these world/global changes in chaos. so, since we could conclude from all this global warming research, that we are, in fact, in a global chaotic moment. from weather, to politics. now, fractality science is one in the same with science of peace, as you will see, the more you study. i am willing to bet many dc goers from this site have also seen this work done, or stumbled upon this website, goldenmean.info.

well, if we take fractal science to an applicable level, we will create solutions on our own, in our own communities at laymen-level terms and have fun with it!

so here is the article about using fractality science in the midst of this chaotic moment in "time" on earth with regards to global warming.

[please pm for link]

(if the moderator takes the link out above, please pm me for it)

namaste~
bj

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/scientists+pull+about+face+global+warming/2010571/story.html

be well, be love.

david

scientists pull an about face on global warming
by lorne gunter, for the calgary heraldseptember 19, 2009

imagine if pope benedict gave a speech saying the catholic church has had it wrong all these centuries; there is no reason priests shouldn't marry. that might generate the odd headline, no?

or if don cherry claimed suddenly to like european hockey players who wear visors and float around the ice, never bodychecking opponents.

or jack layton insisted that unions are ruining the economy by distorting wages and protecting unproductive workers.

or stephen harper began arguing that it makes good economic sense for ottawa to own a car company. (oh, wait, that one happened.) but at least, the tories-buy-gm aberration made all the papers and newscasts.

when a leading proponent for one point of view suddenly starts batting for the other side, it's usually newsworthy.

so why was a speech last week by prof. mojib latif of germany's leibniz institute not given more prominence?

[LightEye]

dear friends,

a concise summary of the current situation.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalweathergang/2009/09/a_skeptical_perspective_on_glo.html

be well, be love.

david

a skeptical take on global warming

* freedman: response to climate depot distortions -- new comments *

this capital weather gang blog entry is written with considerable trepidation given the politically-charged atmosphere surrounding human-induced global warming.

i am a meteorologist with a life-long weather fascination. as i'm sure you know, meteorology is an inexact science due to the large number of variables involved in predicting and understanding the weather. i frequently say that weather forecasting is a humbling endeavor, and i have learned to respect its challenges. from this perspective, you might be able to better understand why i wince when hearing pronouncements such as "the science is settled", "the debate is over", or even the "the temperature in the 2050s is projected to be..." i realize that forecasting climate and weather are different, but both involve a large number of moving parts.

there are numerous reasons why i question the consensus view on human-induced climate change covered extensively on this blog by andrew freedman. but for this entry, i scaled them down to ten:

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.gao.spb.ru/english/astrometr/abduss_nkj_2009.pdf

be well, be love.

david

the sun defines the climate
habibullo abdussamatov, dr. sc.
head of space research laboratory of the pulkovo observatory,
head of the russian/ukrainian joint project astrometria
(translated from russian by lucy hancock)

experts of the united nations in regular reports publish data said to show that the earth is approaching a catastrophic global warming, caused by increasing emissions of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere. however, observations of the sun show that as for the increase in temperature, carbon dioxide is "not guilty" and as for what lies ahead in the upcoming decades, it is not catastrophic warming, but a global, and very prolonged, temperature drop.

life on earth completely depends on solar radiation, the ultimate source of energy for natural processes. for a long time it was thought that the luminosity of the sun never changes, and for this reason the quantity of solar energy received per second over one square meter above the atmosphere at the distance of the earth from the sun (149 597 892 km), was named the solar constant.
until 1978, precise measurements of the value of the total solar irradiance (tsi) were not available. but according to indirect data, namely the established major climate variations of the earth in recent millennia, one must doubt the invariance of its value.

in the middle of the nineteenth century, german and swiss astronomers heinrich schwabe and rudolf wolf established that the number of spots on the surface of the sun periodically changes, diminishing from a maximum to a minimum, and then growing again, over a time frame on the order of 11 years. wolf introduced an index (“w”) of the relative number of sunspots, computed as the sum of 10 times number of sunspot groups plus the total number of spots in all groups. this number has been regularly measured since 1849. drawing on the work of professional astronomers and the observations of amateurs (which are of uncertain reliability) wolf worked out a reconstruction of monthly values from 1749 as well as annual values from 1700. today, the reconstruction of this time series stretches back to 1611. it has an eleven-year cycle of recurrence as well as other cycles related to onset and development of individual sunspot groups: changes in the fraction of the solar surface occupied by faculae, the frequency of prominences, and other phenomena in the solar chromosphere and corona.

analyzing the long record of sunspot numbers, the english astronomer walter maunder in 1893 came to the conclusion that from 1645 to 1715 sunspots had been generally absent. over the thirty-year period of the maunder minimum, astronomers of the time counted only about 50 spots. usually, over that length of time, about 50,000 sunspots would appear. today, it has been established that such minima have repeatedly occurred in the past. it is also known that the maunder minimum accompanied the coldest phase of a global temperature dip, physically measured in europe and other regions, the most severe such dip for several millennia, which stretched from the fourteenth to the nineteenth centuries (now known as the little ice age).

[LightEye]

dear friends,

dr. lindzen is probably the person who knows most about what's going on with climate change...

power point presentation;

http://www.globalwarming.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lindzen-talk-pdf.pdf

video presentation;

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=22d4dd5727161348

be well, be love.

david

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hello

how on earth/in the universe:eek: does this theory of dr lindzen resonate with the one of david wilcock:confused: just happened to watch the video from davids latest blog and this one on the same day and david starts off with the fact he has repeated over and over again that global warming is happening in our entire solar system, that ices are melting on mars, etc and that the cycle of 26 million years makes this happen due to the area of heitghtened energy/radiation in the universe our solar system and our whole galaxy have moved into. have i got it totally wrong?

this man shows with his graphs that nothing extraordinairy is happening at all and that he is not even a climate change sceptic but denier. i didn't see any graph from 26 million years ago though. this just turns everything up and down for me so i would very much appreciate to have this clarified or my head will split into pieces.

yours in confusion transiten

[billybobbutterball]

dear transiten... if it is not too later please glue your head back together.. its actually very simple..

the earth is merely experiencing rotary thermospastic punctuated equilibrium. (r.t.p.e.)one spot is cold whereas another spot is hot...it all depends upon where and when you place your thermometer at a given moment. see? happy?

(well, punctuated equilibrium works for the neo darwinians:p)

ok! please stop taking my name in vain...i confess, i don't know the answer either.:o

billybobbaffled


hello

how on earth/in the universe:eek: does this theory of dr lindzen resonate with the one of david wilcock:confused: just happened to watch the video from davids latest blog and this one on the same day and david starts off with the fact he has repeated over and over again that global warming is happening in our entire solar system, that ices are melting on mars, etc and that the cycle of 26 million years makes this happen due to the area of heightened energy/radiation in the universe our solar system and our whole galaxy have moved into. have i got it totally wrong?

this man shows with his graphs that nothing extraordinary is happening at all and that he is not even a climate change sceptic but denier. i didn't see any graph from 26 million years ago though. this just turns everything up and down for me so i would very much appreciate to have this clarified or my head will split into pieces.

yours in confusion transiten

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html

be well, be love.

david

stagnating temperatures
climatologists baffled by global warming time-out
by gerald traufetter

global warming appears to have stalled. climatologists are puzzled as to why average global temperatures have stopped rising over the last 10 years. some attribute the trend to a lack of sunspots, while others explain it through ocean currents.

at least the weather in copenhagen is likely to be cooperating. the danish meteorological institute predicts that temperatures in december, when the city will host the united nations climate change conference, will be one degree above the long-term average.

otherwise, however, not much is happening with global warming at the moment. the earth's average temperatures have stopped climbing since the beginning of the millennium, and it even looks as though global warming could come to a standstill this year.

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hello all climatechangequestioners and others

i'm stubborn as an old goat:(t and i will repeat my question over and over again until someone on this forum can explain to me how this information that global warming has stalled corresponds to one of the main theories by the creator of divinecosmos david wilcock, namely that "global warming is occuring throughout our whole solarsystem", ices are melting on mars, the magnetism of venus and mercury has increased with several 100%etc.

there must be someone who can try to answer this question or some of the moderators could contact david wilcock himself and ask him to adress this important confusion of theories.

i do not want to recommend any of my sceptic friends to go to divinecosmos, since they will just debunk everything here if not even the leading theory of david is any longer holding any truth.

maybe i don't understand english good enough to get the information here, or maybe this is the universe telling me that my brain is soon collapsing from all of the diverging ideas and theories i've come in contact with. maybe i should go back to be a "muggle" again, take care of my dad and dog, start to play my fiddle again and sing my "neptunes"

you can go to [please pm for link], click on "våra artister" and scroll down to "visor och sånger" and my name liliane håkansson and you will hear the beginning of 2 songs, one is my own "segla/sailing" and the other one a russian song translated to swedish"the fiddler".

i don't think i have anything more to contribute with on the forum, i have told things i have not even told my close friends, i have tried to make them interested in divinecosmos without success, i have have posted like ****, i even called a radioshow about the global warming in our solarsystem and now i´'m tired of this "law of confusion" and i will take a break from the forum. i'm 1000:s of lightyears away from the topic of this thread but perhaps my emotional state can add some degrees to the global warming.

take care and merry christmas and a happy new year!

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[weboy78]

truth on global warming!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8370282.stm
the e-mail system of one of the world's leading climate research units has been breached by hackers.

e-mails reportedly from the university of east anglia's climatic research unit (cru), including personal exchanges, appeared on the internet on thursday. ..

http://www.nature.com/news/2009/091120/full/news.2009.1101.html

[MarkM]

lilliane, david's thing does not bespeak global warming per se. rather, rapid climatic change on a solar system - wide basis.

historically, as per the ice record cored up from the poles there's the suggestion that periods of ice ages are preceded by short and intense periods of warming. these seem to presauge rapid climatic change on a significant level, and i think that historically we've been privy to periodic geological pole flips and crustal displacement.. (mistaken for ice ages by us) which have been seemingly catastrophic in nature and inevitable in a harmonic way - yet boosting collectively in a sense of mutual evolution.

this time around, i suspect that the main issue is with consciousness transformation, and that worries of earth-changes are secondary to considerations of the potential for us to completely get past any notion of physical doom and gloom. this, after all, is david's main message to humanity.

we will not necessarily have to entertain these things, as the potential exists for everyone to encounter and love, and accept all conditions. this is a time of choosing, and if you can get beyond worry and fear for the future and find peace in the moment, you may find that your world view and choice of timelines/outcomes gathers you into a place of happy and continuing service to others, as opposed to predicating one's considerations upon worries for the future. how can we best be of service? what happens, happens.

acceptance of any potential outcome is to overcome the monkey fear of something bad happening. best, mark

[Deambor]

there was an interesting program on national geographic last night. it was about how to make mars habitable (again).
basically the idea is to warm up the planet, so that it begins co2 emittions and forming a layer of atmosphear. we know how to do that, obviously. so they are thinking to establish a green house gas producing factories, and the process of atmosphear forming can begin.
amazingly within some estimated 100 years we could start having a warming effect enough to have water forming on mars from the polar glaciers there, and then, exactly as in green house on earth, the process of induced warming would be self propeling. and then basically we can reproduce earth on mars.

i believe it is possible.

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ok here we go again

i realize i won't be able to take my necessary pause from this website and forum until the 10:th of december when i will leave home and my computor for some months.

if you go to the videosection and watch "return to camelot" around 1h44 into the lecture david will present the global warming facts that he says are occuring in our entire solarsystem. even pluto my ruthless scorpioruler;) is warming up in spite of its orbit going away from the sun.

jupiter has heat thunderstorms and it's moons europe and ganymedes are 200% hotter, neptune is 40% brighter, icecaps on mars are melting (and not from pple driving around in suv:s) our oceans are heating up from the bottom indicating the earth is heating up from inside etc etc. if that is not a statement of gobal warming from strict scientific data my name is not liliane håkansson and i was not born on the 18:th ov nov. 1949 in stockholm.

what is the meaning of listening to davids scientific research if i'm not supposed to take it seriously:confused: should i turn back to the old religious habit of thinking "well the ways of the lord are unfathomable" so i don't have to pay much attention to what david or anyone other scientist are saying (like dr lindzen f.i who states that "nothing special at all is happening with the weather:eek: should i just put my mental scrutinizing faculties aside and look up to the sky and wait for the et:s to help me with the ascension?

yours in frustration transiten

[Shrike]

hello all,

the thing is that it is happening and solar system "global" warming is real and should be taken seriously.
however there is nothing you/we can do about it. if that's good or bad i don't know...
and this does not mean we should keep on polluting, at all. we indeed should make the planet cleaner.

the point is that the majority of people on earth don't know about solar system changes.
now if more and more people know about it then they "might" come to realize that the sun and even objects farther away can influence us here on earth. whether it influences our earth our mind body or social behavior.

this understanding can lead to the realization that cleaning up the planet and keep doing what we are doing is not enough (maybe it is enough).

people need to realize that change is coming anyway and that it is not just "our" fault or we have to pay (doom and gloom scenario) for a polluted earth.


so in short solar system changes and earth changes are things that happen regard less if humans polluted the earth.

dw and others are suggesting how we can make "live through" the changes comfortably.


hope this answers/helps your question/dilemma.

shrike.

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hello shrike!

spot on:) this is exactly what i was trying to say. i even called a radioshow in sweden where pple can bring up any subject where i said that for the first time ever i had listened to a scientist on swedish radio who said that global warming was occuring on the earth due to the sun and that it's happening in the whole solarsystem! i also said that this is not an excuse to continue to pollute the atmosphere.

i even had my pic in the newspaper where pple were asked about the most important thing that happened to them this week and i mentioned this program about global warming and was so exited that this corresponded to davids theory:) i also said that this is not an excuse for us to continue to pollute the atmosphere.

this is why i think to sort this out is important. i don't want to spread misinformation.

dr lindzen and others are saying that "nothing special" is going on with the weather and that they are "global warming deniers" and not even sceptics. this is going totally in the opposite direction from what david is bringing out in each and every lecture.

i cannot just shrug my shoulders on this; either global warming is occuring and that's nothing we can do about it, or either global warming has "stalled" as some say.

if al gore and others are taking advanage of the global warming to gain control over the taxpaying pple is totally another issue

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to continue...

also on the jane burgermeistr website f.i and the alex jones theories, nowhere is mentioned the global warming of the entire solarsystem and also no sign of spirituality or other dimensions are present

they refer to the hackers that found this manipulated data about global warming and how the powers that be use them to make pple believe the global warming is manmade.

but this info lacks the perspective of david wilcock also confirmed by data from nasa one can easily check out on the internet and 1h44min into the video "return to camelot: click on "videos" on this website.

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[Shrike]

i used the word "warming" in my previous post but a more reasonable word would be energy.
solar system is becoming more energetic. this could lead to warming but also other events that dissipate the energy in one form or another.

it's hard to weed through the material that shows up about this topic.
one groups says nothing happening an other group says it's all out of control and we should spend our money to fix it. and then the group that tries to debunk everything.
but i think the truth is somewhere in the middle.
something is happening but what it really is or what the outcome will be i don't know.

[Shrike]

hello transiten,

i felt the same way for a long time. i do think im spiritual but i have no abilities what so ever.
tried to meditate or use pyramids but that doesn't work for me. nothing happens :p

i read from a to z through all esoteric metaphysics quantum physics mythological even religious on the internet. in the end you find that non of them really say what is going to happen. you will find interpretations or theories or hypothesis or extrapolations which might hold some clues or indications.

what im trying to say is that there is so much information one might be overwhelmed.
i am trying to judge for my self what seems a reasonable theory and not let it be to heavy after all we are still just here.

being nice and good to each other helps anyway and having clean or free energy helps to for a better world. but most of all try to have fun and don't let the direct media impact of "global warming" get to you.

[transiten]

hello shrike:d

i'm with you there absolutely, and as the bible says; if you've got all the knowledge and spiritual abilities in the world but lack the love to what use would it be?

then of course it's strange (but wonderful) to see rosebuds in the garden in the end of november, remembering the snowstorm on the 17:th of november some 10 years ago when i would go skeeing in the middle of gothenburg.

by the way this reminds me of a beautiful irish song that begins "when roses still grow in november....etc... it's then that our land shall be free....our earth perhps?

i will follow your advice and see to enjoying myself and i will start now rehearsing "we are the wanderers" by lacy j dalton. go to the "music to sooth the savage beast within" it's posted by alchemikey.

take care!

liliane

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2009/11/global_climate_change_the_arct.html

be well, be love.

david

global climate change: the arctic deep time

global warming or climate change is a reality, we are being told, it is something we must deal with if in the near future we don't want to see the earth become inhospitable to life. and global warming is being brought on by humans burning oil and coal. it is the increase of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, a gas that transforms our planet into a greenhouse, destined to warm up until we stop burning those fuels.

"cap and trade", is the way to reduce emissions to levels that will stop the inevitable warming up of the planet. no more increase in fossil fuel burning except ... if a country can pay for the right to continue emitting carbon dioxide.

leuren moret, examining global warming in the context of geological history, comes to a different conclusion. in her interesting and immensely readable examination of global climate change, the whistleblower at the livermore nuclear weapons lab, and former
environmental commissioner in the city of berkeley, lays out for us the reasons for global changes in temperature in the context of "deep time", the long term geological history of the earth, and some of the behind-the-scenes manipulations that have led to a rather hysterical campaign that sees us concentrate our attention on one of the minor causes for the changes that doubtless are afoot.

[RAB80]

has anyone else been keeping an eye on this climate change story going on in the news? i think the timing of this thing is interesting but what i really found interesting was in the cnn news article i read tonight. there's a bit of a damage control effort going on i think as well as a *hint* of mud slinging. look at what britain's prime minister says about those of us who are silly enough to believe climate change *isn't* caused by mankind.

"with only days to go before copenhagen we mustn't be distracted by the behind the times anti-science, flat earth climate skeptics. we know the science. we know what we must do. we must act and close the five billion ton gap. that will seal the deal."

entire article: http://www.cnn.com/2009/tech/science/12/05/climate.data.met.office/index.html

i'm thrilled to see this making the news personally and a lot of the cnn stuff i'm seeing now also came on the heels of thursday's coast to coast. anyone else listen to that one? it was the one with weather channel founder john coleman with some awesome stuff about climate change.

video link: http://www.kusi.com/home/78477082.html?video=yhi&t=a

anyone have any ideas as to what's going on with this? i've been wondering if those e-mails were allowed to leak on purpose or if this actually came as an unexpected event. the remarks by the prime minister lead to believe the latter but i don't know. anyway, it certainly is interesting to keep up with. :)

[Matthew Clark]

one thing i thought of when the emails came out was what david mentioned on his latest blog..management!

seems strange this info came out just before this all important meeting of leaders.

if this was "management" - cheers guys we love you! :)

[onething]

there is definitely heavy damage control going on, and those who are invested in this are in a state of near hysteria. they are swallowing the damage control and totally missing the import of what those scientists at east anglia have done.

i've been following a progressive blog, which i mostly enjoy, and who often discuss how impervious the extreme right is to the obvious, and to facts which ought to correct them. and yet, in this instance, they are behaving in the same blind manner . they do not want good news and they do not want to lose their fearful scenario.

it is sad for me to see how ideas like free and open inquiry and dialog in society (first amendment) really goes against the grain of human nature.

sigh.

i don't know who the whistleblowers are but they obviously knew their target and perhaps timed it to happen shortly before the copenhagen summit. they are not just mischievous hackers. the hysterical ones are crying about them stealing emails, but someone named lord monkton in england says they will be protected by whistleblower laws, which in fact encourage whistleblowing.

[Born23EB]

i always find it marvelous when a man like lord mockton goes straight with information that steals the thunder from the poster boys like al gore and david suzuki. seems like being politically incorrect could become a trend in some places. that and what nasa has publicly put out about what is going on in the solar system on other planets, seemingly opens a window for the winds of change to change direction.

[transiten]

goodmorning

listen to the amazing show on coast to coast where richard hoagland and gregg btraden are interviewed. there are 15 parts. here davids theory of global warming throughout the entire solarsystem is supported by gregg braden and scientific proof in pt 3: 2.4 min and pt 7: 7.35 min. into the show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfy3a2zz4gl&feature=related

if the link doesn't work, go to the thread "davids appearance on scyfy show" where the link is provoded by evolving. i would highly appreciate comments from the forummemebers on this.

thankyou namaste from transiten

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/25604/

be well, be love.

david

a closer look at global warming (part 1)
by george e. bushell

while looking at some old copies of life magazine in an antique store in the spring of 2008, i came across a very interesting article from august 1956 about the fear of global warming. it reviewed many possible causes for the phenomenon, including increased levels of co2. there seems to be nothing new today that goes beyond this 1956 article.

the most interesting possible cause presented was the sunspot cycle. it described the 11-year cycle commonly referred to today. however, it also mentioned that both global weather variations and sunspots also follow a longer cycle where sunspots shut down completely for a few years at the end of this lengthy cycle. (the mean cycle length over the last 400-year sunspot history seems to be about 95 years). the article also suggested that, within this 95-year cycle, there are more sub-cycles: increased sunspot activity with some increased global warming followed by decreased sunspot activity with some global cooling.

the summer of 2008 was cool and moist and the summer of 2009 was, for the most part, even more so, especially in eastern canada. this is not that unexpected as the earth has actually been cooling since 2005—not warming as it did in the previous two decades—according to the climatic research unit in the u.k. sunspots have also been decreasing since the last maximum was reached in about 2003 and are now at their lowest level in 100 years. careful measurements by several nasa spacecraft have also shown that the sun's brightness has dimmed by 0.02 percent at visible wavelengths and a whopping 6 percent at extreme uv wavelengths since the second last solar minimum of 1996-7. radio telescopes are now recording the dimmest “radio sun” since 1955.

but global co2 concentrations have continued to rise according to national oceanic atmospheric administration’s measurement site at mauna loa in hawaii. thus, there appears to be a negative relationship between co2 levels and global temperature and a positive correlation between sunspot numbers/sun strength and global cooling. if co2 were actually the dominant cause of global warming and sunspots accounted for only 20 percent of recent global temperature increases, as the intergovernmental panel on climate change claims, global cooling should not have started in 2005 because mean monthly co2 levels have not stopped rising.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.holoscience.com/news.php?article=8pjd9xpp

be well, be love.

david

science, politics and global warming

“in the end, science offers us the only way out of politics. and if we allow science to become politicized, then we are lost. we will enter the internet version of the dark ages, an era of shifting fears and wild prejudices, transmitted to people who don't know any better. that's not a good future for the human race. that's our past.”

—michael crichton, “environmentalism as religion,” (a lecture at the commonwealth club, san francisco, ca, september 15, 2003).

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the global warming circus in copenhagen was politics driven by a consensus that, by definition, has nothing to do with science. the apocalyptic nonsense that opened the meeting highlighted that fact. how many who attended or demonstrated at the meeting actually understand the (disputed) scientific grounds for the hysteria? meanwhile, leading science journals allow skeptics of anthropogenic global warming (agw) to be labelled “deniers” and refuse them the right of reply. it is doctrinaire denouncement, not science. it is the journal editors who are denying the scientific method by censoring debate. it is they who are peddling ideology.

despite the glossy media image, modern science is a mess. when the fundamental concepts are false, technological progress merely provides science with a more efficient means for going backwards. at the same time, government and corporate funding promotes the rampant disease of specialism and fosters politicization of science with the inevitable warring factions and religious fervor.

“science has become religion! ..although religion may have borrowed some of the jargon of science, science, more importantly, has adopted the methods of religion. this is the worst of both worlds.” —halton arp

there have been several warm climatic periods documented in history that had nothing to do with human activity. there seems to be evidence that the earth has actually been cooling since 2001, in line with reduced solar activity. so it would be more realistic to consider climate change as a normal phenomenon and to plan accordingly because despite all of the hoopla in the media, modern science is founded on surprising ignorance. an iconoclastic view suggests the following:

— cosmologists have been misled by theoretical physicists who don’t understand gravity, which forms the basis of the big bang theory. imaginary ‘dark matter,’ ‘dark energy,’ and black holes have been added to make models of galaxies and star birth appear to work. when all else fails, mysterious magnetic fields are invoked. the bottom line is that cosmologists presently have no real understanding of the universe;

— astrophysicists don’t understand stars because they steadfastly ignore plasma discharge phenomena;

— particle physicists don’t understand matter or its resonant electrical interactions. they prefer to invent imaginary particles;

— geologists have been misled by astronomers about earth’s history;

— biologists have had no practical help from theoretical physicists so they don’t understand what might constitute the ‘mind-body connection’ or ‘the spark of life;’

— and climate scientists have been misled by astronomers and astrophysicists so they have no real concept of recent earth history in the solar system and they don’t understand the real source of lightning and the electrical input to weather systems. for example, the major city in northern australia, darwin, was utterly destroyed in tropical cyclone ‘tracy’ in 1974. the catastrophe was described in part, “at 3am, the eye of the cyclone passed over darwin, bringing an eerie stillness. there was a strange light, a diffuse lightning, like st. elmo’s fire.” there was no solar energy being supplied to the 150km per hour winds at 3 in the morning. “a diffuse lightning” is an apt description of the slow electrical discharge (distinct from impulsive lightning) that drives all rotary storms and influences weather patterns. that is why the electrically hyperactive gas giant planets have overwhelmingly violent storms while receiving very little solar energy.

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i now in the beginning of mercury going retrograde pray on my knees that someone on this forum finally will adress my question concerning "global warming"

noone has yet commented on the link i provided on 12-06-2009 10.54 pm or on the numerous occasions that david wilcock says that global warming is occuring through out the whole solarsystem, which is also shown on nasa:s own website.

i am not by saying this supporting the idea that global warming is manmade by the co2level but referring to it's occuring because our solarsystem has moved into this area of the universe that david builds his theories on like the change of our dna.

will someone please at least give me a sign that you have read some of my posts here and tell me if i might have misunderstood the very core of david wilcocks research.

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[Berry Chastain]

dear transiten,

i think that the problem is a matter of semantics. for the last couple of decades the big noise has been the "global warming" issue with blame being placed on human activity causing a great amount of warming of the earths atmosphere and oceans due primarily to pollutants and particularly man-made carbon dioxide.

recently some scientist had determined that the temperatures of the earth have actually been decreasing in the last 8-10 years! what he have is one set of people claiming one thing and another set claiming the opposite. this whole bruhaha is basically a political maneuvers by two opposing political/economic parties who have their own agenda in mind. the global warming group are basically those nwo people who want to increase the price of carbon based fuels and tax sovereign countries to use said fuels thus increasing their cash flows and power over the world. the other group on the other hand are those oil producers who want to continue to exploit the world for its oil and gas, burn more coal and likewise increase their own money flows.

the meeting in copenhagen was designed to put the fuel taxes in place, create a global organization to control the various countries who sign the accordes and in effect create the one world government which they have been working toward for a very long time. fortunately they didn't get what they wanted and it was basically a failed effort.

now, regarding the viewpoint which david espouses. first of all, though it is a very long blog/e-book, you should by all means read his new blog as it will but some light on the political/economic scene which i spoke of above, even though he was addressing more directly the norway spiral, the premise also addresses the battle going on with the global warming issue. david has persistantly said and has scientific evidence to support it, that the whole solar system is moving into a much higher frequency band in the galaxy. this higher vibrational zone is causing each planet, moon, sun, the interspace matter/energy and everything else included to rise in vibration. the effect is to cause a warming of those bodies, not due to environmental affects but because when something vibrates at a higher frequency it causes the increased release of energy in the form of heat, light and sound. like a pot of water on a stove, the molecules of water begin to vibrate faster, begins to release steam, then bursts into a roiling boil, all due to the increased vibration of the water molecules.

every planet in the solar system is exhibiting changes due to this movement into the higher energy area of the galaxy. warming, increased luminescense, greater volcanic activity, changes in magnetic fields (especially the sun) and polar shifts. what david is saying is that yes there is not only global climate change (not global warming as per al gore) happening and it is not due to anything that humanity is doing but there is tremendous change happening throughout this part of the galaxy. it is cyclical and has happened previously many times, just at those 13,000, 26,000 and 75,000 year periods of history when we have gone through similar points in these cycles.

liliane, i hope that this gives you a little idea of what is going on. it is very confusing because the msm is not giving any true aspect of issue. i doubt that if they knew that they would be allowed to.

please anyone else who want to expand on this or make corrections, additions or deletions, please feel welcome. i am not an expert on this subject and this is just my understanding of what is going on.

love and light to all,
berry

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thankyou berry:):):)

this is exactly what i've been thinking, i mean i'm rather wellinformed by now. what has puzzled me though is that noone has put this perspective together in this thread, the different posts just seem to contradict eachother. this excellent analysis will surely be of great help for any "newcomers".

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[eagleye]

this is a long post so i will spit it up into two parts.

here is a good article i read today that will start to clear things up: http://www.tnr.com/blog/the-vine/why-yes-it-chilly-out-right-now


many people get confused because they make the same mistake most people are making, and that is to allow your self to get blown around in the constantly changing winds of the media. first i would like to clear something up here. what you see happening is that different media companies appear to be contradicting each other. but what most people don’t realize or forget is that all these major media companies are owned by the same people.

so the question comes up, why would they contradict themselves with both arguments for opposite sides of the spectrum? well first let me say that they are not trying to clear it up for you. what they are trying to do is confuse you so that you will not know what is going on. a version of the truth is reported many times, but not in a clear accurate way. they give you only what they are forced to give after something becomes widely known either from the internet or word of mouth.

at that point they cannot deny it because it is to widely known. it is nothing more than damage control. all they can do is create a controversy which will hopefully, in their view, neutralize both sides of the argument. that way you will remain open and receptive to what they are trying to drive you towards. what they are trying to prevent is any kind of resistance, they don’t care if you are confused. these controversies do not usually involve accurate presentations of both sides either. many times they involve issues that are not even the correct issues to be focusing on, that is if you want to know what is really going on. they are side issues which do not address what they do not want you to focus on. this is done with politics, science and many other areas of interest. when people are fighting and confused they become weakened and separated. when this happens they cannot use their collective numbers to keep the momentum going in the right direction. instead they are scattered and sent in the wrong directions.

for instance you have a television station that appears to be inclined toward the views of the democratic political party and one that appears to be republican party inclined. these two channels then constantly create political controversies and focus on the wrong issues so that you will not notice what is really going on in the world. they insult each other and make it appear as though they are angrily opposed, when in reality they share the same common agenda. this is the good cop bad cop scenario. one seems to be nice and innocent, whereas the other is the evil bad guy. but their agenda is the same; it is the agenda of those who own these media companies. this common agenda is the dissemination of propaganda and to steer you away from what they do not want you to focus on. they use the media to steer people in the direction they do want you to go in, which is never in your best interests.

so in comes this issue of global warming. there are two separate agendas that the controllers have in regards to this. number one, to convince you that this warming is the result of man made pollution. that way they can use it as and excuse to set up a legal framework, under which all countries will be subservient. in other words the goal was to take away the sovereignty of individual countries so that all the power would then be centralized. this would create a world government controlled by them.

how do we know this? the evidence is clearly spelled out in their attempts to implement legislation to the above stated facts, both in the us and in the copenhagen agreements. this agenda was revealed in the legislation itself not what the legislation was advertised to be.

the second agenda was to hide the inevitable cause of the coming earth changes with a false explanation. the scientists on their payroll have known for a long time that we were entering an area of space with increased energy. they could detect it on the electromagnetic spectrum to which their instruments can measure. they also knew from the long term temperature data they had collected, that the temperature fluctuations are cyclical. this is as far as the knowledge of the actual scientists went.

however the controllers at the top knew the deeper reason. they have an extensive knowledge of how reality is formed and knew this energy would trigger an awakening and a transformation. their hope was to keep this knowledge from the population so that they could continue to create death and destruction up until the last minute of the harvest. in other words they are trying to increase the negative forth density graduation in order to increase their own negative polarity and power. in order to do this they needed to keep the real cause of global warming secret.

[eagleye]

another important development to all this are the hacked emails that have now become widely publicized. what do the climategate emails reveal? first they show a manipulation of data. they wanted to give an overwhelming perception to the population of this supposed burning heat that was building up. they wanted to make it seem as though we were going to burn alive if we did not go along with their plans.

in other words they wanted to exaggerate the warming trend to fit their fear based propaganda. they did not want you to know that the warming trend is also accompanied by extreme winters which would re-grow all the ice that melted. if you knew this then you would also know that their predictions of coastal disasters were false. so they had to manipulate the data to show only the warming and not the extreme cold temperatures that come along with these trends.

the other thing shown in the emails was an attempted silencing of any scientist who was actually involved in practicing real science and who would not go along with their hoax. they wanted to create a false perception of a scientific consensus where none actually existed.

the controversies you see currently being put out in the media about weather or not the planet is warming are nothing more than diversions from the real issues. the real issues are not only that the planet warming, but that it is not the result of man. they know their scam has been exposed and they are now trying to divert attention away from this.

also as i alluded to earlier if people were to find out the planet is warming and that there is another cause, they would then naturally start to ask the inevitable question of what is actually causing the warming. many people are already asking this question. unfortunately the majority has been diverted away from these questions by the controversies of weather or not the planet is even warming.

the knowledge of the real cause is now spreading like wild fire and they will not be able to contain it much longer. all they can do now is try to create these controversies. but the truth is already starting to come out for many people in regards to this. that understanding will bring them to an even greater realization of the extent to which this type of propaganda permeates. they will see not only what has been hidden from them in regards to the global warming tax scam, but also the more important issue of the real cause for the changes.

the other anomalous situations, besides the temperature changes, that we now see happening, are not being discussed by most people yet. the real energy causing this change is not just heat. the heat is only the result of an underlying cause. the underlying cause is the consciousness energy that is now affecting physical matter and earth’s cycles. this kind of energy cannot be detected as normal energy. you can only see the affects it is having on the electromagnetic spectrum. the warming we see is only one of many other changes that are occurring both on cellular and atomic levels.

i believe this energy penetrates every particle in its path, not just the surface. it has the affect of mutating the physics of how things actually operate. in other words the vibration of the consciousness of all things is increasing. this is causing a change in the actual physics of the visible universe. when this process is complete the known laws of physics will no longer apply and we will be in another dimension. many scientists can now see this happening in many different ways but do not understand what is happening, especially with many of the other planets, like with the hexagonal formation on the top of saturn. these are the changes they are trying to divert people away from with the phony controversies.

my intent in writing all this is to help others not to be sucked into these controversies and be diverted away from what is actually happening. the best way i know how to avoid this is to do my own research and allow my intuition to guide me through the confusion. hopefully others will be able to do this as well.

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thankyou eagleye

much appreciated. funny thing is that we are experiencing the coldest winter for at least 30 years in sweden. here in gothenburg the snow seldom stays for more than a week and it generally is in february. now it's been plain cold winter for 2 weeks with glittering powdersnow, i just love it.

another funny thing is that you mixed up "weather" with "whether" in you post, even more funny since the post is about "whether" the "weather" is changing or not;)

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[eagleye]

yes i seem to do that a lot. it is a very inaccurate habit. :eek: thank you for bring it out to my attention, i will try to stop doing it but i can’t make any promises.;) nonetheless as you said it is curiously synchronistic to this post. :)

[Born23EB]

as always i thank you eagleeye for your clear elucidation of the media messaging that is on on going issue for anyone really trying to discern what is being proposed by groups that have differing outlooks.
i have been over on the redicecreations site where henrik palmgren did a two hour interview with tim ball. the interview fleshes out what is going on in the scientific climate community and reveals publicly how this society manufactures spin on supposed scientific study, shaping it to suit political agendas.
i recommend that everone check it out to see for themselves.
also henrik went out to do live interviews wit people at copanhagen and found out on the local level, how propangandizing actually has impacted peoples belief system fed by media.
happy new year everyone. looks to me like we are in for quite a ride this year.

[eagleye]

don’t believe the ice has grown back? think again.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/arctic-ice-grows-30-per-cent-in-a-year.html

this year england is experiencing temperatures that are as cold as the south pole. how cold do you think the arctic is farther north?

http://news.sky.com/skynews/home/uk-news/snow-ice-and-now-the-coldest-night-of-the-year-so-far-as-big-freeze-countinues/article/201001215516785?lpos=uk_news_carousel_region_0&lid=article_15516785_snow%2c_ice_and_now_the_colde st_night_of_the_year_so_far_as_big_freeze_countinu es

their will be no catastrophic coastal flooding like they want you to believe. the actual data shows this to be a fact, not a theory.

and yes global warming is real, but it is also accompanied by extreme winters such as we see now. for those of you who watch the markets and understand how a trend line looks, you can apply the same principle to the warming trends in earth’s climate. trends are never straight lines. they are zigzagging ups and downs. but if you take the data over a longer period of time verses a shorter period, you can see the true trend, it is like zooming out so that you can see the outline of something that is to big to see when you are up close to it. these trends move in an overall direction of either up or down, not in a straight line.

with this data you can spread it out and put it in a line graph. when they did this with the temperature data, they could see that the same patterns repeat themselves over millions of years. the problem is that the scammers using manipulated data only wanted to show the warming not the cooling that comes in the winter and at other periods of flat or downward movement within these long term trends. like i said before, the only reason they wanted to do that is so that they could sell a doomsday scenario of coastal disasters and disappearing land. by they can no longer hide these facts because we can see them with our own eyes, and we can feel the extreme cold on our skin. this is one of the reasons they were trying to rush the legislation through. they could see that we were starting to catch onto this. :cool:

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"cool" eagleye, just as the beautiful winterwhether. i love the sound from the "quirking" snow below my boots, the glittering snow dampenig all sounds, lighting up the dark night.

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[ryan]

high temperatures in the 40's (f) in iceland, the aleutian islands, and florida tomorrow.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more very interesting thoughts from maurice cotterell concering global warming & global cooling.

http://www.mauricecotterell.com/global_1.html

be well, be love.

david

the cause of global warming & global cooling - maurice cotterell

this explanation provides a casual mechanism that explains how both global warming & ice-ages periodically envelop the earth. the cause of the differential rotation of the sun's magnetic fields is explained. the duration of sunspot cycles is calculated. a mechanism to explain the cause of planetary axial pole-tilting and variation in dipole positin is provided. the cause of sunspot cycle cessation is explained.

[eagleye]

the ice growing back is the result of a very simple cause. the surface of the ocean freezes because it is made of water. the satellite imagery shows clearly that this ice has formed, and is present. don’t let anybody fool you into thinking that water does not freeze when the temperature hits a certain low. all you have to do to prove this is stick some water in your freezer. when you wake up the next morning it will be a solid block. their will be no coastal catastrophes because at the present time there is more frozen water than there was when they made the prediction of coastal disasters. the colder it gets in the winter, the more frozen water you will have when it is all said and done. :p

[conundrum]

this kind of energy cannot be detected as normal energy. you can only see the affects it is having on the electromagnetic spectrum

so that is what i see when i look into the sky at night cool .. it wont be long until i am drawing pictures in the sky with it .

[eagleye]

the energy i am talking about is also present in all things. this energy communicates with itself. it is awake and aware just as you are. it affects the entire solar system, not just the sky that you can see here on earth. it affects the sun and the activity of the sun. it affects the vacuum of space. :cool:

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thanks lighteye

this is what i remember david w talking about that the earth is heating up from the core and thus the oceans are heating up from the bottom. i saw some graphs and simulations in a videoon the net. it was a long lecture by a man who had made extensive research on the expanding globetheory and somehow i think this is related by i don't know for sure.

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[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/david-rose-the-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

be well, be love.

david

the mini ice age starts here

by david rose
last updated at 11:17 am on 10th january 2010

the bitter winter afflicting much of the northern hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the pacific and atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the north pole will be free of ice in
summer by 2013.

according to the us national snow and ice data centre in colorado, arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

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he he he eagleye

now we're "back on square one" as we say in sweden. i think i will just drop this issue and concentrate on my inner psychological/spiritual state of balance between warming and cooling.

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hi

just to add to the confusion i saw a documentary about "global dimming" some years ago. two swiss and israelian scientists measured the incoming radiation from the sun in the israelian desert and the alpes finding that the pollution prevent the globe from heating up. it has something to do with hunidity and the size of the particles. they said that if we were to stop all pollution the surface of the earth would almost burn:eek:

as i said, i'm giving up my plutonic digging into this question and will just enjoy the most beautiful winter in gothenburg in ages. i will go skeeing today in a winter wonderland and
let the :)shine in and heal me, my faith having been heavily tested for over a month.

welcome to paradox;)

yours in opposition transiten

[eagleye]

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i really don’t see any confusion. in fact i am seeing it very clear. the only reason to get confused is if you get sucked back into the media hype and fear based propaganda. pollution is neither causing nor preventing global warming, we are not going to burn up. their will be no catastrophic ice age. the changes we see are a natural part of earth’s cycles. it is an evolutionary process where each stage brings us closer to the next dimension. instead of fearing it we should be looking forward to it.

what is happening now is that the media is trying to induce more fear based scenarios because they know the cat is out of the bag in relation to their last doomsday predictions. since the flooding scenario is no longer viable, due to the fact that the ice has already grown back, they are now going to the opposite extreme simply because it is easier and more convenient to do so. in other words they will base these scenarios on what they think most people are more inclined to believe at any particular time. if it seems to be getting hotter, then they will say you are going to burn alive, if it seems to be getting colder then naturally they will say you are going to freeze to death. what ever fits at the time, they will use it to create more fear in the population.

the same media that said we were going to burn up last year is the same media that is now saying we will be entering an ice age. i want to make something very clear, they do not have the ability to predict the weather that far in advance, having said that, i would also like to bring to your attention to the fact that they can’t even accurately predict the weather two weeks in advance, much less years or decades. why would anybody believe these silly predictions when we have already seen they were wrong 100% of the time? these are all fear based predictions being put out for the sole purpose of lowering the vibrations of the planet.

all that can really be done is to look at past temperature data to see what the trend is. we do not really know if and when a reversal will occur because there is no way to accurately predict the weather. by looking at the long term trend we can see that we are warming even though the last decade was colder than the previous. a decade is still a relatively short period of time in regards to the long term trends. it is not enough time to see if we are actually in a reversal or if it is just a short term fluctuation. it would be very easy for things to start heating back up if the sun started to become active again like it was in the late 90s, if that happens, you will again see a reversal in the media stories. they will drop the ice age predictions and go back, in a 365 degree turn, to the doomsday flooding scenarios. they have no problems going around in circles; in fact they prefer to do this because it will keep your head spinning with both fear and confusion.

just because someone says they are a scientist does not mean they can be trusted. the real question is who gives them their paycheck. we have already learned how they run these kinds of science scams with the leaked emails. what would make anyone believe that they would all of a sudden repent and stop trying to fool the public with garbage science? i am quite confident that they will continue to do this until people stop believing it. i for one have already stopped. i am just waiting for everybody else to catch on. unfortunately i don’t think this will happen until the control over the media is released back to the people. the good news is this will be soon. in the mean time, i would not recommend listening to them unless you want to be constantly blown back and forth with their confusing stories. usually you can spot the propaganda because they make predictions that they are not capable of making which paint a very scary picture.

an even better track would be to do what you are doing and to forget about the earth changes and focus on more spiritual matters.

i agree with what ra said in the following quote:

questioner: can you comment on the coming planetary changes in our physical reality?
ra: i am ra. i preferred to wait till this instrument had again reached a proper state of depth of singleness or one-pointedness before we spoke.

the changes are very, very trivial. we do not concern ourselves with the conditions which bring about harvest. :d

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........and i was adressing "lighteye" of course....i've been coomunicting a lot with eagleye and the avatars do have some similarities...

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...but eagleye...

...how come david wilcock says there's global warming in the entire solarsystem even referring to nasa:s own website????????? is he the only one that can predict the weather?

now i'm back on square one where i started out my quest in this thread....

[eagleye]

yes as i said before there is global warming, and it is heating the entire solar system. the heating is only a small fraction of the actual changes occurring though, and is unimportant compared to the consciousness awakening that is happening at this time. the only benefit that we can get from even acknowledging that the earth is heating is if it leads us to discover the changes that are actually important such as dna transformation. but aside from that it can serve no good purpose. it will not help us to avert disaster because global warming is not going to bring a disaster as they would like us to believe.

these changes, which include global warming, are being caused by the incoming energy from the galaxy itself. it is a transformative awake and aware energy which affects everything in its path as it triggers evolution. this includes the sun. the sun contributed greatly to the extremely hot temperatures we experienced in the late 90s. as the sun quieted down so did the heat for a short time. it is obvious that this incoming energy comes in waves, with each successive wave being more intense than the previous.

however global warming is not caused by man made pollution. that was just a distraction and a scam using garbage science and sensationalism to push an agenda that would form a legal frame work for a one world government.

in order to sell the doomsday prophecies that they were relating to this supposed man made global warming, they had to exaggerate the affects it was having on the earth. so they manipulated that data and tried to hide the cooling that comes along with the heating as the temperatures fluctuate up and down. the overall trend is hotter though. also the actual warming is moderate, when you look at it in conjunction with the cooling; since they are in a way canceling each other out as far as bad consequences go. it is nothing to be alarmed about. in addition they are trying now to create more lies by exaggerating the cooling so that we will now believe their will be an ice age.

let me repeat, their will be no catastrophe regarding any of the scenarios they are pushing. the doomsday prophecies are lies they construct using garbage science. they are not really interested in revealing the real cause of global warming, although it does exist.

you do not have to predict the weather to see that there is global warming; this is speaking in the present tense. david is speaking about current visible warming that has been going on for quite some time. this is determined by looking at the past and present, not the future. the long term trend line shows temperatures getting hotter, that is a fact.

it seems to me that what is confusing you is trying to figure out how their can be global warming when things seem to be cooling. in order to understand this you have to visually see what a trend line looks like. here is a link to a picture of a trend line of stock price fluctuations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/file:sptrends19502008.jpg

notice how it fluctuates up and down, but there is a clear overall direction of up. this is what i am talking about. a trend line for earth’s temperatures looks like this. it is not a straight line as many people mistakenly think. the farther back in time you go the more trends you will be able to see. some go up and some go down, but it is never in a straight line.

the cooling you see now is part of a short term fluctuation in an overall up direction. this can be determined by looking at past historical data. and although you can look for repeating patterns in the data and attempt to speculate when the trend will reverse, there is no real way to determine when this will happen in regards to the temperature. thus no one really has the ability to accurately predict the temperature using historical data. so if you see someone making a doomsday prediction about the weather you can know that they are full of it. neither they, nor anyone else, can predict the weather that far in advance. (except maybe extraterrestrials);) you can only look at what the current trend is. the current trend shows global warming. :)

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:cool::):cool::) eagleye

what has been confusing me is not that david wilcock says there is global warming in the entire solarsystem but the fact that there are so many posts in this thread that provides information about the opposite: cooling of the earth without the exquisite explanation you and berry f.i have made that there are smaller cycles of cooling and warming within the greater warming cycle. that's why i have been nagging about this.

and ever since i came across davids theory i have been saying this over and over again, even on radio and in the newspaper that the global warming is not manmade even if it may contribute, so i wanted to make sure i had not spread any disinformation. and of course i pointed out that this is not an excuse to continue polluting and wasting resources.

cheers from transiten

[eagleye]

transiten,

i agree with you totally when you talk about becoming aware of the real pollution which is destroying the planet. we are all responsible to treat the planet in a loving and caring manner, but we have not done this. up to this point man has ravaged mother earth whose spirit is awake and aware just as we are. we are like a disease that has spread and decimated her body.

most people have no idea how much she really cares about us. imagine if you had a disease and you had the ability to immediately kill it off so that you could be cured. the earth has the power to do this in an instant, but has instead chosen to continue to endure untold anguish by keeping us alive as we strip her body bare. this choice in love for others has allowed her to graduate to forth density positive. she is already there in her inner realms. the surface is being held back from the 5 dimension (4th density) because of us, to keep us alive and to ensure the maximum number of people have a last chance to choose to graduate with her.

the time has come for us to realize the horrific damage we have caused to her body, and seek to immediately repair this damage. the best way to help the push in this direction is to educate others about what has really been going on. they need to become aware of causes of the real pollution not this fake man made global warming. carbon dioxide is not a pollutant. if fact the more co2 there is, the more plants thrive. it is exhaled and inhaled by the living things on the planet to create a symbiotic relationship which keeps us alive, if co2 is a pollutant, then so is oxygen. it is utterly ridiculous to even suggest such a thing.

if we really want to stop what we are doing, we have to first realize that the solutions being offered to the public, to stop pollution, are from the same people who are deliberately creating the driving forces behind this pollution. they do not want to stop what they are doing. instead all they want to do is distract people away from the real solutions because those real solutions would put them out of business and they would lose control over the planet.

instead they want to create a false solution that would make them even richer. a global warming tax would allow the biggest companies with the most money, those who pollute the most, to pollute even more. at the same time they would eliminate the completion who could not afford to pay to pollute. the world would end up being controlled exclusively by a few gigantic companies who would then pollute more than they ever have before. they always create the problem and offer the solution. unfortunately the solution is never designed to actually solve the problem, it only adds to it.

the engine behind this massive wastefulness and pollution is our for profit society. things are set up in such a way so that we will have to continuously replenish what we already have with the newest, latest, and hottest products on the market. even if we want to we can’t keep what we have, because the products being produced today are designed to break down or become obsolete in a very short period of time. i hear older people say all the time that they just don’t make things like they used to. some examples of this are cell phones, cars, and even clothes. it used to be 50 years ago, that you bought something and kept it for many decades, or for your entire life. now we get rid of things every week or every month to be replaced with more junk that will break down or become obsolete. this is an unnecessary perpetual cycle which was created to line the pockets of those who own the world’s largest corporations. they want to keep us buying their products and keep us in debt by doing so.

most people are not really aware of the mind blowing waste of resources that get thrown out every day, or the amount that is actually consumed. here is a tiny taste of what i am talking about: http://www.theglobalintelligencer.com/december07/chrisjordan.php

and more: http://exposurecompensation.com/2009/04/12/2101/

none of this has anything to do with global warming, yet we don’t hear about it. to think that a global warming tax would have any affect whatsoever on real pollution and wastefulness is laughable at the very least. the cause of pollution is no mystery; it is the corporations with their massive manufacturing enterprises and the marketing they push on the people to get them to give into their own greed.

the other main problem is the suppression of technology that can solve all of these problems. we have the technology for free energy. we have the knowledge to clean the water and turn the deserts green. we have to technology to eliminate cars and roads. we have farming technology that allows us to grow organic fruits and vegetables indoors, using no chemicals or fertilizers, and with yields much higher than can be achieved with outdoor farming. this type of farming is not subject to the weather and so we would not be subject to droughts or and other type of weather and insects that decimates crops. we even have the technology to dematerialize matter which would solve the garbage and toxic waste problems. i could go on an on about this because there is just so much information and progress that has been suppressed for the sake of profit and control.

so to sum it all up, the real solution to stopping the destruction is for all this information to be released to the public. we really don’t have to go back to living like cavemen to solve these problems. in fact, if the technologies were released, we would be more prosperous and live better and more comfortable than we do now, without polluting or using up the natural resources of the planet. of course, at the same time, most of the big corporations would be put out of business because we really never needed them to survive or to care for our needs in the first place. they have temporarily succeeded in fooling us that we needed them, but their time is almost up. good riddance. :d

[eagleye]

still don’t believe what i am saying? here is something for all you skeptics. imagine combining this with free energy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/vertical_farming

this is not some pie in the sky dream. there are currently many new companies forming who want to implement this technology. all they need are investors with the money they need to move ahead. everything else is in place to get it started on a large scale. the wikipedia article i posted is trying to play it down.

everything i said about available and existing technologies is real. the only reason you don’t know about them is because they are being suppressed.

also the kinds of technology i am mentioning are only the less advanced developments. there are some that i will not even mention because it would be to hard for most people to believe. nonetheless they exist and are on the verge of being released. :)

[eagleye]

here is another prime example i came across today on how the media uses sensationalism and outright lies to push their doomsday prophecies: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6991177.ece

i hope that with all the revelations regarding these kinds of predictions that people will finally start to catch onto this. it seems like a floodgate of truth has recently begun to spill into the media about these past false predictions. :cool:

[weboy78]

using copper and electricity to scrub air of greenhouse gas
carbon sequestration, the processing and storing of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere, is one of the leading methods for the reduction of greenhouse gases. a group of scientists has now found a copper complex that is capable of reacting with carbon dioxide at a slightly elevated electric potential. the process turns the carbon dioxide into a usable byproduct which can be recycled and reused for this purpose multiple times.
http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/copper-complex-found-to-combine-with-carbon-dioxide.ars

[LightEye]

dear friends,

hate when this happens...;-)

http://www.ihatethemedia.com/12-more-glaciers-that-havent-heard-the-news-about-global-warming

be well, be love.

david

12 more glaciers that haven’t heard the news about global warming
january 25, 2010, 2:00 am ·

the glaciers are melting! the glaciers are melting! the glaciers are…uhhhhh…never mind.

turns out the ipcc’s chicken little story that all the himalayan glaciers are melting is just another exaggeration. or fraud. take your choice. you know, like the stats coming out of east anglia cru. and its claim that antarctica is melting. and that greenland’s ice cap is melting. and that sea levels are rising. and that the polar bears are dying. fact is, some glaciers are retreating, but many others around the world are growing.

“but how is that possible? how can glaciers be growing when the world is warming up like a package of jiffy-pop in a microwave?”

here are a dozen glaciers (or groups of glaciers) around the world that are growing almost as quickly as global warming skepticism.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

hate when this happens...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/climategate-u-turn-astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html

be well, be love.

david

climategate u-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: there has been no global warming since 1995

by jonathan petre
last updated at 5:12 pm on 14th february 2010

* data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
* there has been no global warming since 1995
* warming periods have happened before - but not due to man-made changes

data: professor phil jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be'

the academic at the centre of the ‘climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.

colleagues say that the reason professor phil jones has refused freedom of information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.

professor jones told the bbc yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.

the data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.

professor jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.

and he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.

the admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.

professor jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the university of east anglia’s climatic research unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.

[weboy78]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf6d25kjrca

climategate: astrophysicist giuliana conforto about the global warming hoax!