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Leonard A Wilkinson
10-27-2001, 01:35 PM
hi all,
i lurk on this site occasionally and on a seth discussion
site....here is a piece from the seth discussion group which may be
of interest in the present ufo-et-greys discussion.

with love, leonard.




excerpts from ufo-related book that contain seth's concepts

hi,

following are some excerpts from lyssa royal's book "visitors from
within." she channels beings related to ufo abductions. the
fascinating thing about this book, tho, is that whenever the
channeled beings gave an explanation about reality, the abductions,
or anything else, these explanations always fit in with seth's
concepts. below are some examples:

according to the book, anyone who is abducted has agreed to it
beforehand. these agreements were made on an subconscious level, and
the beings who do the abductions were not even aware that humans had
separated their consciousness. in other words, they were surprised
that people they abducted did not remember making these agreements.
following is an excerpt about agreements:

"all interactions with extraterrestrial races occur because of
agreement so that you can learn from each other. there are no
accidents." (p16)

when asked about the abduction feelings of horror and of being
invaded, here is their explanation that includes the views of
consciousness:

"in our species there is no such thing as the idea of invasion
because we see ourselves as all one. we understand that humans have
boundaries--you keep yourselves separate. we have also been made
aware that you have many levels of conscious. you call some
them "conscious," "subconscious," and "unconscious." from where we
communicate to you, we cannot tell the difference between those
layers. so if the subconscious is speaking one thing and the
conscious another thing, we hear the loudest voice." (p20)

barrie's note: when the communications occur in the inner realm,
framework 2, or dream-state levels--the "loudest" voice is the
unconscious or subconscious. when the communications occur in the
waking state, the "loudest" voice is the conscious.

about how humans can come to peace with the idea of invasion:

"coming to peace with the idea of invasion is knowing that you cannot
be invaded; everything you see, everything you experience is part of
the same one thing. it is all a reflection of the whole. nothing is
outside of you. it is all a part of you. is is you invading yourself.
coming to terms with this and changing the perception from invasion
to communion will be profound indeed. for it is not an invasion of
one to another, but a joining, a communing, an integration." (p20)

when asked if these alien contacts are real or imagined:

"imagination is not a the myth it is believed to be. it is a realm of
reality. it is a realm through which you allow communication that you
do not allow in many other ways. this is reality." (p19)

in relationship to time & gaps in abduction communications:

`from our point of view, we never cease communication. your perceived
gaps in time are merely your way of orchestrating the timing?you
perceive gaps between the experiences you are having on your quasi-
physical or dream state level. to us, it is a constant interaction."
(p28)

on doing things against anyone's wishes:

"you have invited us, whether you know it consciously or not. we have
always assumed your subconscious was the voice of your conscious. now
that we have been communicating with you for a awhile, we have
learned that you do not always know what your subconscious says. we
have looked to humans who subconscious minds have invited us in, and
we did not realize that these invitations were sometimes not
recognized by the conscious mind. we have also understood that the
part of a being that makes it sentient-you call it a `soul'--can give
permission for certain events to occur. there is no such thing as
someone being preyed upon or being a victim. you will always draw to
you what you want or need to experience, because you are as curious
as we are." (pp35-36)

about performing experiments without someone's permission:

"we cannot perceive those who do not completely agree. we literally
cannot even find them physic ally because of the differences in our
vibrations." (p36)

about creating matter:

"it is simply the solidification of energy into matter through the
focus of thoughts." (p39)

on their awareness:

"?we possess the ability of time travel, we are aware of
probabilities. we are aware of probabilities for earth."

on our own awareness of our subconscious agreements:

"when individuals continue to deny that they have agreed to any given
thing in their reality, it halts their evolution." (p47)

barrie's note: seth has said that the "very point of physical
existence is that you realize that your thoughts become matter while
you are here?" (nov. 21, 1972 esp class)

on further explaining the concept of inner agreements and cause-and-
effect:

"every time you have an interaction with a person you are
experiencing a nonverbal agreement. therefore, if you draw someone
into your realm of being--your reality--there is automatically an
agreement. it cannot be otherwise?we perceive flow as agreements--
reality as agreements. the fact that we are here--that we are with
you--is agreement. you place cause before effect, however, cause
actually equals effect... these agreements go beyond physicality.
they exist within the very fundamental nature of your being--your
soul? there are agreements surpassing the ego's viewpoint of
agreements that are much more powerful in your lives." (p47-48)

on the "oneness" of their race and our race:

"from the point of view (our collective souls together) there is no
difference between our races." (p49)

on what is physical:

"when you talk about interdimensional realities, the terms "physical"
and `non-physical' become moot points. it something is not in your
dimension, you call in nonphysical. however, it can be very physical
in that other dimension; it just does not share physical space with
you." (pp54-55)

on explaining why some abductees have nose-bleeds (connects beliefs
with physical ailments):

"these irritations are not in any way directly related to the
physical insertion of these probes. it is actually more related to
the idea of memory loss. for instance, if someone has a nosebleed, it
is indicative of the memory wanting to break through. the physical
body generates the trauma it has been exposed to. it recreates the
trauma to trigger the memory recollection?this is also applicable for
all repressed traumatic experiences that humans have throughout
childhood. these spontaneous painful experiences are merely your own
healthy psychological processes attempting to reveal information to
you." (pp61-62)

in their explanation of how they use time travel in their abductions,
they end up discussing simultaneous time:

"we have attempted an answer to this question in the past, and we
understand that it is very difficult to comprehend with linear
thought. however, if you imagine a single line and a point about that
line, we exist from the point and you exist in the line. from the
point we can enter any area of the line. we can go into the future;
we can into the past. from our position within that pint, we
discovered your race?from that point we simultaneously projected
ourselves into nearly every segment of the time line in which you
exist. so as i speak to you now from a certain point in our
experiments, there are others existing simultaneously in other time
frames. it is our understanding that the heaviest interaction we are
having is between the years 1935 to approximately 2020--give or take
5 to 10 years. so we are not limited by your progression of time."
(p64)

while explaining how aliens can be "visitors from within"--they get
into the idea of all reality springs forth from within--and of choice.

"we must speak about the metaphysics of the universe. reality is a
creation from within. though you can look in your telescopes and see
stars and distant galaxies, you are really only looking at the walls
of the outermost portions of yourself. everything you see is a
reflection of you. everything you experience is a reflection of an
aspect of you. we are visitors who come in the night because you have
not yet been able to openly accept us in the daylight. we are still a
frightening experience and thoughts for you. we can exist with you
right now only on those archetypal, subconscious levels within you.
you are still creating us in your altered states of reality; yet you
argue about our existence in your conscious state of reality. but
your altered state knows the truth. we are visitors from within. we
have lives and existences separate for you, yes. but we are within
your consciousness as you are within ours."

question: so we are visitors to you from inside of you?

"yes. you are facilitating our evolution from within us as well. you
allow us to face our deepest fears--fears we are only now beginning
to understand we possess. coevolution. humans have within their power
the ability to bring us out from the depths of the shadows of the
night and into the daylight of your waking, conscious selves. it is
your choice. but it will require you to confront head on the unknown
and that which you fear. if you are ready, you will find that your
fear is but an illusion." (pp65-66)

more of their visits and how they are helping us to achieve a species-
leap:

"we recognize you to be a very valuable force in the galactic family,
and we understand that your development will be beneficial to all. we
also understand that you, as souls, have agreed to this millions of
years ago?there is a part of you on an inner or mass- conscious level
that knows exactly what is going on. we say to you that this part
cannot be discounted, for that is like using an equation and leaving
out a missing piece. the common question is, what is it we are doing?
we spoke about the light-plasmic language that we use on meta-atomic
levels. this is one of the ways we are helping you to achieve a
species leap?we give you something. that something is more codes,
more activation on the light-plasmic- language level. this is
occurring with literally thousands of people on your planet."(p76)

question: what type of code?

"the ideas are primarily representative of vision?you have seen
yourself as a being whose country or family was only as far as you
could see. you are now (in the last 40 years) achieving a global
vision so that you are not just, in your terms, americans, but
citizens of a global civilization. primarily, the code we are
triggering within you is the recognition of yourselves as part of a
galactic ecosystem, a working piece of the whole?when we say vision,
we are also talking about the metaphysical idea that you create your
reality. your limited vision has created a limited potential. now it
is time for the unlocking of the unlimited potential, and that
potential will equal the expansiveness of your vision." (pp76-77)

in speaking of their "stealing" human fetuses:

"we will point out that the souls of the fetuses were ones from our
community who chose to incarnate as human to have us observe the
development of the body." (p80)

in discussing how humans can change their fearful reactions to the
abduction experience:

"as you change your perception, the experience itself must change?
truly, if abductees do only one thing to empower themselves during an
abduction experience, the abduction experience itself must change. if
we were to say that there is a law at work here, that is it. what the
abductee does will dictate the nature of the abduction experience.
this experience is both an internal and an external one. it is
external because these are real beings separate from you. it is
internal because it directly reflects a dynamic that is occurring
within you. when you change one thing, you change the entire
experience." (pp86-87)

in discussing how the abduction experience works, the concepts of
reality creation, victims and beliefs are used:

"the abduction experience really works in a very clear way with the
idea that you are the creators of your reality. on your earth, you
are not necessarily aware that when you think something, it
manifests, because there are many things between the original thought
and the manifestation. the abduction experience is more direct. it
plays on your beliefs about yourself and your world. therefore, if
you believe you can be a victim, if you believe that somehow your
world is being controlled--any of those types of beliefs--they will
be played out and reflected back to you during the abduction
experience. so changing the experience means changing those beliefs
and proclaiming a new belief that you would like to express?as the
(abductee) becomes empowered, the abduction experience changes. it
must. this is an absolute guarantee." (p88)

in discussing the symbolism of nighttime abductions:

"your daytime realty is the most limited reality that you possess.
your subconscious reality and the realities in the altered states are
more unlimited and represent more of your true nature. humans
manifest these experiences mostly at night because the subconscious
is equated with the night. this situation represents humankind facing
its deepest fears--fears of evolution, fears of change, fears of
death or annihilation, fears of infiltration and control. these
inherent deep archetypal fears within the human being are coming from
level of the subconscious and the unconscious and from the darkness
within. you are manifesting these encounters according to the rules
of the unconscious and the subconscious--the night, the shadowy
realms, the realms between waking and sleeping, the realms i which
you `are out of control.' that is why it occurs. the more you can
allow yourself to become comfortable with the realms of the darkness
(darkness does not mean negative)--the realms of the subconscious,
the archetypal fears--the less you are going to fear and dread the
experience. when you say you are afraid you will wake up and find
them staring at you, you are really only saying that you are afraid
of staring into your counterpart that exists in the darkness. it
always comes back to the self. from the point of view of a species
looking at you from a bird's-eye view, the human race right now is on
the brink of an extremely powerful change--a change that will be more
important that any change that you've made since you've made the leap
to homo sapiens. it is that powerful. when a species is making a leap
in evolution, the old part fears annihilation."
(p93-94)

discussing changing the seeming-abductions into daytime experiences:

"once you no longer need to create them to come in the night, this
entire situation is going to look very, very different. that will
also be the time when you are able to look directly at yourself in
the mirror through your own eyes into your own soul and not fear what
is within." (p95)

on how changing one's language would help to change the abduction
experience and reality:

"changing your language will help you change your perceptions of the
experience. here are some suggestion: you could call yourself a
guest, a visitor, an interacter, a communicator, an interface. each
of you can come up with your own term. yes, the language will need to
change to reflect the change in your own empowerment. that will
significantly change the perceptions of the experience. they are not
abductors and you are abductees. you are not being abducted; you have
been invited. you are a guest?but you are not even aware that you can
say no, except out of fear. and they don't understand the language of
fear." (p96-97)

on changing the abduction experience, the ideas of choice and reality
are mentioned:

"it is important to remember here that all humans, despite their
place in society, have chosen the reality they experience. any
negative et encounters can be turned around by the power of the
individual." (p110)

here is a part i'm just throwing in because it is of interest--offers
an interesting point of view. it discusses why many abduction cases
actually occur within the prison system (in the dream state):

"the prison environment can be seen as a microscopic representation
of your entire planet. thee have been many rumors about your earth
being the penal colony of the galaxy. this is not a reality in the
sense that someone has done this to you. but this has been the
emotional sensation or feeling that your planet as a whole has had...
so the prison environment is a microcosm of the entire macrocosm of
the mass consciousness. therefore, by working in the microcosm they
can see the larger picture within the macrocosm."
(p111)

seth has said that some ufos we see today are visitors from earth's
own future. here, that idea is touched upon in discussing the more
human et groups:

"let us say they are crusaders of the future. they are seeking to
help earth liberate itself from itself. they see individuals in
prisons as being a prime target to help raise the vibration on earth?
it will have a ripple effect in the mass consciousness. some of these
humanoids contacting inmates are also earth's future terran beings,
going back in time and attempting to reform the prison system in
contemporary time by a raise in consciousness?this was not done
through physical abduction of inmates. it was done through the
voluntary cooperation of various souls who have chosen incarceration
on earth. these interactions took place mostly in their dream state.
(pp112-113)

discussing visits to those in mental institutions and how the
mentally ill are "mankind's pioneers:"

"very often what individuals in mental institutions experience is an
overlap of reality--an interdimensionality with which they do not
know how to cope. as these individuals are being studied, there is an
awareness that they are mankind's pioneers who are learning to deal
with interdimensional reality--a skill that all will soon need.
(p116)

on our current human state:

"it is time on your planet now to recognize that nothing happens to
you from another source. you are the source generating all
experiences that you have. in the ancient days on your earth, man who
was dying out and making way for the more advanced version felt the
same primal emotion that you feel now--the fear of annihilation. this
is a fear of changing what you are, and being unable to recognize
yourselves. it is a natural rear. the only way for you to make peace
with this fear is to trust the natural process of evolution. each day
allow yourselves to trust your own personal evolution a little bit
more." (pp135-136)

barrie's note: evolution, as the term is being used, means
an "evolution" of spirit or belief--one that accepts that we
manipulate matter and create our own reality via beliefs and emotions.

the connection between making a "species leap" and the ufo experience:

"your contact with the zeta reticuli species is an indication, at
this point in your development, that you are about to make a species
leap. when such leaps occur, you draw situations to you that have
been outside of your normal parameters of reality. your civilization
has existed for several thousands of years with a fluctuating point
of view about extraterrestrial contact. throughout history, people
did not believe extraterrestrials were a conceptual reality at all
but instead seen as evidence of demons. during your current period of
time, this contact indicates an actual acceleration of your
evolutionary rate--transcendence, if you will--from one form of life
to another?you have manifested physical sighting in your skies. you
have manifested abduction experiences. you have manifested face- to-
face contact as well as dream-state contact." (pp138-139)

further explanation of choosing an "unpleasant" abduction experience:

"at this point we would say, speaking loosely, it is not that you
have necessarily chosen to experience it the way you do. what you
have chosen instead is a denied reality of the agreement. this denied
reality of the agreement is what dictates how the visitations
manifest for you. therefore, you have chosen to not yet remember the
calls of evolution. you have chosen to not yet remember who you are
and your relationship to other nonterrestrial beings. by those
choices, you automatically choose that this interaction will occur in
the realms of denial. on another level, one could say that you haven
it in this way to remind yourselves that you are in denial and that
you have the opportunity to change that state of being. drawing a
situation into your reality, from which you must face your denial,
will allow you to begin to remember." (p156)

question: what are we in this denial?

"there are many levels to the answer. on the metaphysical level, it
is the idea of not wanting to join with the creator so you will not
have to experience the pain of separating from the creator again.
another idea for this denial has to do with the purging of the very
deepest layers of fear. you would not be able to access those fears
to be purged if you did not first create an atmosphere of denial. do
you follow?

response of questioner: yes. we are using denial as a specific tool
to transform something very deep within our nature.

"exactly. one more superficial levels, the denial has to do with your
unwillingness and fear of taking 100% responsibility for your reality
and for that which you create. therefore, you continue to give your
responsibility to someone else and continue to play victim. this is
an old, old pattern that cannot continue indefinitely. you are giving
yourself the opportunity to purge that pattern?you are using the
abduction situation (and other situations as well) to trigger your
species' emotional evolution. however, the abduction situation is
providing an enigma for you. within this enigma is trauma. this will
allow you then to face the unknown. you are compelled to face the
unknown. in that unknown you will find many of your answers."

***end of excertps****

barrie's note: surprising note to myself when typing this up. i
started to get "hints" of connections between our fears in
relationship to our own spiritual and emotional evolution, and the
current wtc, terrorist events.

as we evolve as a species and actually change--we fear the
annihilation of the old way we used to be. this fear of annihilation
is then manifested physically in various accepted ways of
annihilation--such as war and terrorism. as we fear what we will
become--this gets transferred onto fearing others, especially those
we believe wish to change us or our way of life.

the stars & sky have always been symbolic of our inner fears or fears
of the unknown or of the self. we have seen beings from beyond as
demons, as aliens, and, by extension, as foreigners from other
nations. attacks come from sky--because the true attacks come from
our inner sky--our subconscious & from ourselves.

also, there is a connection with our views of our own nature and
views of our nation; a connection between fears of changing something
deep within our nature and fears of changing something deep within
our nation.

be well & happy... and keep enjoying the skies--inner & outer,

jason w
10-27-2001, 09:21 PM
leonard!

most appreciative for your post. it really really resonated with me.
as i read it i could feel doors of my consciousness opening up. very
insightful information. really transformed my understanding
of "abductions" ...puts it in a whole new light.

peace

--jason

--- in asc2k@y..., "leonard a wilkinson" <rainbowlen@y...> wrote:
> hi all,
> i lurk on this site occasionally and on a seth discussion
> site....here is a piece from the seth discussion group which may be
> of interest in the present ufo-et-greys discussion.
>
> with love, leonard.
>

Mawk
10-27-2001, 09:59 PM
hi leonard,

just wanted to thank-you for that in depth post. on a personal level i
always seem to have this conflict of "is this my imagination or is this
really happening." that post provided another indication that it is the
latter. you see after the nightmare period in my early childhood i then
stopped dreaming. what did occur though up till my mid twenties was nose
bleeds for no apparent reason. i had been thinking about this recently as i
recall reading it elsewhere. the explanation though was not nearly as
elaborate as the one you provided and certainly ties in with my experience.

by the way i have not had a nose bleed since i resolved this issue in my own
mind and started entertaining my potential and a greater world view. the
dreams have also come back with a vengeance and now i look forward to them
due to the inspiration and direction they provide. below are a couple of
celestial entity(et) dreams i have had in the last couple of years. i have
had several more but these two are nice and short. note how there is just
information in them and no longer any fear.

8/4/00 - had a dream where two celestial entities removed my lower jawbone.
i sensed that they were examining it. they then replaced it. surprisingly a
week later i got a really bad toothache which resulted in having my two
lower wisdom teeth being removed. at the time of the dream i had not noticed
any problems.


15/01/01 ? i had a very vivid dream that i was in a spaceship above the
earth. i was aware of the presents of two scientists i know. one was peter
b. and the other was chris s. we were being shown the earth?s energy grid. i
was amazed how prevalent and symmetric the grid was. we must have been in a
different dimension for the grid to be so clear.

yours gratefully,

mawk