Who is Q'uo? [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

billybobbutterball

07-04-2007, 06:05 PM

dear robert & soup & others,

q'uo is a "mesh" of three entities which include ra, hathor and another "entity" who i don't re-member the name of, but begins with "l" if memory serves me correctly. i believe the 3rd entity is luton, but i may be mistaken. carla anwered my question concerning who q'uo was some time ago and you can find out who q'uo is by accessing the archives. if carla is a member of this group maybe she can help us with who the 3rd entity is.

if not go to the archives. it'll take some time, but it's there...

be well, be love.

david

the "l" guy is latwii. he often displays a refreshing sense of humor.

here is some elaboration on the subject:

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we are those of q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. the question that you ask is deceptively simple and the answer must be carefully considered, for there are elements of our creation and way of being that are easily shared and other portions that must remain to some extent hidden in mystery. the confederation of planets in the service of the infinite creator is the loose designation that our group was given in order to render us a named group and is a created name. the naming that is so dear to your peoples is not used beyond your third density because words, as opposed to concepts, are quite rough and even primitive in their structure, being delimited by the association of words and letters and so forth with parts of your consciousness which are heavily tied into the third-density brain or biocomputer. thusly, our confederation sourcing, while quite real, has, let us say, a number of aspects to it.

each of you, as you sit in this circle of seeking today, represents not only you, yourself, an unique and precious flower in the field of the creator. you carry with you a family of unseen presences. within this circle, for instance, there are overlapping groups. more than one entity within this group is not only an individual but also a family member of the community which is represented in fifth density and in sixth density families from which you came to serve upon planet earth as wanderers offering, at great risk to yourselves, your very self in the hope that by your very being living in flesh and bone, strangers in a strange land indeed, you would be able to offer that energy of unconditional love that would help to anchor the fourth-density energies that now are being seated within the planet that is being born as we speak, that gaia that is a fourth-density, positively-oriented planet.

each of you, then, represents not only the self but an extended family, as it were, of beings that have allied themselves in various partnerships for this period of time and space. there is a time upon your planet that is ongoing wherein all of your energies have been called to bear witness to the light and the love of the one infinite creator. we, ourselves, as those of the principle of q’uo, are part of two of those groups: that of the fifth-density social memory complex known to you as the group latwii—we are speaking through this instrument at this time—and those of the social memory complex known as the group ra, which are part of this principle and with whom we of latwii and also those of hatton discussed matters before taking up the time of channeling through this instrument.

in addition to those of q’uo, there are many social memory complexes or planetary or societal groups of entities who have, as a group, chosen both to offer wanderers to the brothers and sisters of sorrow manifesting upon your planet at this time, and to offer ourselves as requested by groups such as this and by channels such as this one, or, alternatively, to offer ourselves to those who call upon us, whose vibrations are resonant with ours, for work within dreaming, work within vision, and work within what you would call times of inspiration.

the energies of this loose-knit but entirely harmonious confederation have been called into being by the times that you now are experiencing upon your sphere. this entity has often prayed for that which she calls her “fragile island home”[1] of earth. we also are in a state of constant prayer in support of this fragile island home as it revolves into an entirely new area of space and time, one that has alternative characteristics to third-density space/time.

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be well, be lightlove...or is that lovelight ? (:>))

billiousbob g

Robert Riedel

07-05-2007, 12:25 AM

hey guys-thanks!

this clears up a little more of the muddiness that is the higher dimensional realms of existence.

i've personally always resonated with the hathor material, as well as the ra material- and now we know, as some have long suspected, that the confederation has thrown a clown into the mix- humor can be used as a most effective teaching method, for some.

so, q'uo- what came first? the chicken, or the egg?

bob

charran

07-05-2007, 07:39 AM

hey guys-thanks!
so, q'uo- what came first? the chicken, or the egg?

bob

very funny bob! you know exactly what they say on this!!! lol!

charran :)

billybobbutterball

07-05-2007, 04:02 PM

dear robert & soup & others,

q'uo is a "mesh" of three entities which include ra, hathor and another "entity" who i don't re-member the name of, but begins with "l" if memory serves me correctly. i believe the 3rd entity is luton, but i may be mistaken. carla anwered my question concerning who q'uo was some time ago and you can find out who q'uo is by accessing the archives. if carla is a member of this group maybe she can help us with who the 3rd entity is.

if not go to the archives. it'll take some time, but it's there...

be well, be love.

david

billybob offers:

we need to back up and elaborate on my previous posting. latwii is the "l" personage but the hathor mentioned by david and bob is not a part of the q'uo principle. hathor was/is a social memory complex that worked in cooperation with the ra during the egyptian period. ( this is mentioned on llresearch along with the channeled "book of hathor") the "h mystery person is actually hatton.

here is everything you ever wanted to know about the q'uo principle. (:>)) (i did some unauthorized paragraphing for an easier read.)

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t1: we know that q’uo is composed of three entities in the confederation and i would like to know if there is a major speaker, speaking.

we are those of q’uo, and are aware of your query, my brother. we are composed, as you said, of three groups, one of fourth density, one of fifth density, and one of sixth density, in this instrument’s and our way of describing our relative position and experience. this particular principle was created because this particular instrument has a certain way of tuning and preparing for contact with the confederation entities. she prays for contact with the highest and best contact that she may handle in a stable and conscious manner. it is a very precise request. the entity whom she tended to receive upon making this prayer, prior to her contact with those of the ra group, was the latwii group and she had received those of latwii fairly consistently for several years before experiencing the trance contact with those of the ra group.

as each within this circle is aware, the contact with those of ra was a very narrow-band contact which was only possible during that window of opportunity when the ones known as don, jim and carla were all in the circle and when the one known as don passed from this third-density experience, the possibility of further contact with this particular entity was ended.

however, this instrument continued to tune and pray in the same manner and those of latwii and others within the confederation, including those of hatton and those of ra, felt that perhaps the creation of a principle would best respond to this instrument’s very real desire for the highest and best contact of which she was capable. since those of ra could not speak with this instrument in a conscious and stable manner, there was no possibility for that social memory complex being the speaker. however, both those of hatton and those of latwii had previously enjoyed sharing the thoughts of those of ra in a teach/learning circle and the three groups decided that they would blend into one principle, with the ones known as hatton being responsible simply for projecting a vibration of love, of which i feel sure that each of you is aware as we speak. the ones known as latwii took the responsibility for speaking to this instrument and the ones known as ra were part of the process of defining just how to respond to the question that was presented to the principle of q’uo.

so, as those of q’uo speak, it is those of latwii who are creating the concepts which this instrument receives and translates into words.

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trivia. the term q'uo, is rather evocative. way, way back during the height of the hollywood biblical movie period one of the most memorable was "q'uo vadis" the rough translation being, "where goest thou?" (i know these things --i was a motion picture machine operator)

billybob (aka bill gieskieng)

ps here is a bonus bit on earth changes that tagged along with my sloppy copy/paste

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as you walk about in third density, the fourth density energy is stronger every day upon your planet. the earth itself is vibrating largely in fourth density now. that is why so many entities are sensing the need to become closer in contact to the earth itself, touching the ground, working with the earth, working with plants and animals and those things that abide in the creation of the father and have nothing to do with the world of the mind of man. health is abundant in the earth itself. its labor is ongoing but the birth is going well. perhaps you have noticed many significant catastrophes occurring upon the earth plane. this is the labor of earth. it is attempting to move into fourth density without having to express, all at once, the incompatibility between third-density thought (and?) ....snip finis

nem338nem

07-05-2007, 04:22 PM

let us get down to basics. if we choose to believe all is one then there is no debate. several entities retain various perspectives, yet all are one. you see. it's kanda like this: you gotta a big boy that broke apart to express himself; and lets them (him) go out and find there way back in (to him). the kid comes back (us) as a reflection of him, just like a breath; then let's them go out again. it is play time in the universe. love. it is a law of one basic. if you don't get it. then we grow up. as you have played this game so many times. we have to become god of which we are a part of. we are in basic training, get used to it. remember the breath: out / in . that is god in my humble opinion.

nelson

ps: no debate needed

soup

07-07-2007, 12:49 AM

in a "bring4th" forum i once proposed that q'uo was a phonetic play or contraction of "khu-o": "khu" an egyptian word related to a higher, spiritual, shining and luminous being - as heavenly beings, living within the neteru and equivalent to a guardian angel. the "o" symbolizing a circle of unity.

related to that sharing was a poem found in a book by emory j. michael "the alchemy of sacred living" (1999 mountain rose, isbn 0-9642147-2-5):

prayer to a guardian angel

be thou a shining star above me.
be thou a shepherd to protect me.
be thou a guiding light to lead me.
be thou a rose of love within me.
be thou a beauty shining through me.
be above, below, beside, before, behind me.
be all around me.

-traditional celtic

billybobbutterball

07-24-2007, 02:43 PM

----- original message -----
from: ll research
to: 'bill'
sent: tuesday, july 24, 2007 11:33 am
subject: q'uo history

hi bill,

below are the answers you are seeking. the webmaster for llresearch.org is a walking encyclopedia for l/l’s channeling. he arguably knows it better than anyone. additionally, he felt that there was a dimension to the name “q’uo” that ties into a scottish word or pun, but he couldn’t find that reference. hope this helps!

love and light,
glb

i can’t find the scottish reference at the moment, if indeed i’m not misremembering that. this quote is from the january 7, 1990 transcript:

jim: who are you as q’uo as you speak to us?

i am q’uo. i am two social memory complexes, the one you know of as ra, and the one you know of as latwii. we have combined because this instrument constantly asks for the highest and best contact it may stably carry. the energies of the one known as ra, which is a social memory complex of sixth density, is an energy band narrow enough that it requires the locking in, and therefore the unconscious state, of the mind of the channel. the entities of ra were appalled to see the toll it took upon this instrument to bring forth that which it did channel. it was not expected that there would be so much interest from what this instrument calls the loyal opposition.

when our energies are stepped down to those of latwii, an energy this instrument feels most comfortable with, we are able to offer concepts that are to some degree more precise, and may we say, perhaps more interesting to the advanced student of metaphysics, than that which is called latwii would be by the self, for latwii is of the fifth density, the density of wisdom, and as you can feel, our vibrations are the vibrations not only of unconditional wisdom, but compassion as well.

thus, we are composite, and as this instrument has often suspected, our name is a pun, a quibble; not a joke, but merely an identification which was clear. we are the i am, and you too are the i am, and all that is in creation is the i am. we chose a language this instrument knew, and used the word meaning “who,” or “which.” it was designed to make the instrument ponder this very point, and we are delighted (in the) results so far, for we of latwii have been able, with the help of our teachers, those of ra, to offer information in a way which is clearer and more compassionate, perhaps, than we of latwii, in and of our own social memory complex, could accomplish. we find that our senses of humor are not at all the same, and so we have attempted to give up our sense of humor, that the higher sense of humor or wisdom informed by compassion may do its subtle work in these meditations.

this is the use of “quo” in a scottish poem, probably as a short form of “quoth.” however, i seem to remember that there was more direct information about the word being in the scottish language:

the wee cooper o' fife
there was a wee cooper lived in fife
nickety nackety noo, noo. noo
and he has tae'n a gentle wife
hey willy wallacky, hoo john dougal,
alane, quo' ru****y, roo, roo, roo.

( amer. hert. dict. "quoth" v. archaic uttered; said. used only in the first and third persons, with the subject following: quoth the raven 'nevermore!' (poe) ... note from billbob ... who wanted to check it out )

this is the explanation carla sent me today regarding the spelling of latwii and hatonn:

carla: there is no deeper reason for the spelling of either latwii or hatonn than my sense of how the name “sounded” or felt. latwii sounds like latwee. but the double-e looks a bit goofy compared to latwii, which is equally easy to sound rightly. latui is not bad phonetically. same with latwi. somehow, the extra ‘i’ in popped a long time ago and felt right.

as to hatonn, i originally spelled it hatton, as that is a place and family name we see in these parts. however it looks like it is pronounced haton, and the confederation entity’s name is sounded haton. to guide people to sound it that way i switched decades ago to hatonn.

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billybob comments. thanks guys! much appreciated. great insightful stuff. hey! i love q'uo -- even if it is an activated principle. and i think -- if my memory serves -- that latwii does have a decent sense of humor. ( the sixth density ra is the one who's sense of humor is arguably a bit 'strained' from going through its venusian filter :) ) okay, so my humor does leave a lot to be desired.

for those new to this particular discussion, the fourth density hatonn was later disclosed as being a supporting agent in forming the q'uo-supporting trilogy.

Penny L

07-25-2007, 07:27 AM

ayadew

12-18-2008, 09:35 AM

time

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/1973/1973_0800.aspx

time, my friends, is in your mind. there is only now, and there is only here. the reason that there appears to be a reciprocal nature between space and time in your world is because your world is, shall we say, designed to produce this illusion. it is an illusion necessary for certain catalytic actions that you enjoy in your present state for the purpose of your continued spiritual growth and evolution.

i will leave you now. i am hatonn. i leave you, my friends, in the love and the light of the one who is all. adonai. adonai vasu borragus.

i am oxal. i am with this instrument. i have been called for the purpose of speaking to you on the nature and reality of time. time is a field, like unto your electric field, your magnetic field. but what is a field, my friends? a field is an effect. a field is in your minds. a field has different effects at different distances. so does time. as you have recently stated, time and space are dependent, one upon another. it has also been stated that they are totally independent, and have no relationship. both of these statements are true. it simply depends on your point of view. the people of your planet at present do not appreciate the number of dimensions that are available for one to experience the creation. all of these dimensions are made up of a single place and a single time, and, for that matter, a single dimension, which has no dimension. but it is necessary to go from where you are to where you will be.

therefore, we shall speak of time as you know it and try to lead you to that place where you will know it.
time is a field. it is space-dependent. space is a field and is time-dependent. for this reason you recognize a reciprocal nature. the relationship between the two is the third power [of] displacement in either. this may be recognized by a simple equation or formula. there are three dimensions: therefore, the numeral “3” is used, both as a power and as a constant. t3 divided by 3 is equal to s3. s3 divided by 3 is equal to t.

your present constant, that which you call the velocity of light, is the basic speed of the field. the permeability of that which you know as matter is dependent upon this constant. in other words, my friends, the densities of which your world is composed, and the densities of the other planes of existence as you know them, are time-dependent. their permeability is a function of apparent speed.

space may be thought of as linear, if time is thought of as volumetric. or you may reverse the process, as you do within your limitation, and consider space volumetric and time linear. either is true. and either may be perceived to be true, depending upon the limitations of your thought. it is possible to move linearly in space and volumetrically in time, all with the same movement. you can be aware of what you call the past, the present, and the future, simultaneously.

i am oxal. i will leave you at this time. adonai vasu borragus. it has been a great privilege. peace be with you.

my notes[[

i write this to try to fundamentally understand what oxal speaks of.

(elementary math: in arithmetic and algebra, the cube of a number n is its third power — the result of multiplying it by itself three times. n³ = n × n × n.)

from the text we gather:

t3 / 3 = s3 time in 3 dimensions has the relation = space in 3 dimensions
s3 / 3 = t space in 3 dimensions has the relation = time in 1 dimension

this does not make sense. it might either be a typo (from l/l research) or not, as: "the relationship between the two is the third power [of] displacement in either."
may it be?:

t3 / 3 = s time in 3 dimensions has the relation = space in 1 dimension. this is another reality, time/space
s3 / 3 = t space in 3 dimensions has the relation = time in 1 dimension. this is our 'physical' reality, space/time

please correct me if i'm wrong at the time/space | space/time definitions.

my subjective conclusions of time-dimensions:

time is here projected upon 1-dimensional space, since that is the only way i can understand time, and the way time/space must be defined.

space/time is defined by time, we can move around in our 'physical' reality but all changes takes linear time.
time/space is defined by space, we can move around in 'time' but it's made up by the frozen moments of the 'physical'.

i say 'physical' because there are no real physical objects, only signals translated by our minds.

while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space] only perceive, it seems.

t1 = time is x. 'time' is= linear, as in our currently perceived world. an arbitrary x can be picked from [all time divided by infinity]: every physical moment frozen. you exist subjectively in x and may only move forward or backward or standing still in the linear 'time'. in our current reality we seem to move forward.
thus you cannot really perceive true time as it really exists [only from memory]. this you can do in:

t2 = relative viewpoint is y and 'time' is x. time is actively perceived as linear from an arbitrary viewpoint. your perception of time is altered depending on y:s relation to x.
you may perceive an infinite amount of x from an infinite amount of y. you may now exist in y while observing x, but you may only exist in 1 y at the same time (alike to t1 being limited to 1 x at the same time).
thus you can perceive all 'time' subjectively.

t3 = relative viewpoints are y, z and 'time' is x. time is actively perceived as linear from two arbitrary points, id est may be perceived as backward and forward simultaneously = you exist in all time simultaneously. you may perceive an infinite amount of y relating to an infinite amount of x. you may now exist in z observing y observing x.
thus you can perceive all 'time' objectively since you can see all subjective variations of y.

i do not know what z is, or what happens when you alter the viewpoint of z.
this would require a 4th dimension. i cannot understand a 4th dimension.

as from the t1 definition: 1-dimensional space is the essence of 1 point of all physical moments frozen. they are infinite in every moment that space exists.
as from the t2 definition: "y" here becomes something able to understand these "essence of physical moments frozen". you can see it from different viewpoints, you see can see how all time affects 1 reference point.
as from the t3 definition: "z" here is something to understand that there exists more than 1 reference point simultaneously, you see all the "essence of physical moments frozen" from all ways. here you understand true time.

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i thought pretty long on all this, resulting in the above.
as said, this is my subjective understanding of time in different dimensions. i have never travelled to time/space in my current awareness, apparently you travel there when you sleep (thus being able to see in the the past/present/future).
so we practically exist in 6 dimensions.

what are your thoughts, what is time exactly? is it a mere illusion as hatonn and oxal claims, something only made to enhance our learning/teaching teaching/learning experience in this density?

and... do i make any sense? lol

love to all of you

eagleye

12-18-2008, 04:45 PM

ayadew,

very well put, you make perfect sense to me. i think you are overall right in everything you said but i could add to it a little if i may.

first to simplify things i would like to state that math is an illusion because the process is based in separation.

it is a process that attempts to use finite concepts to explain this illusory reality of separate ideas.

these concepts or mental ideas are in the form of symbols that we know of as numbers which attempt to solve problems using concepts of quantities, one in relation to another or combining them.

in other words we are trying to use an illusion of separation to describe the separation.

i doubt that higher beings would need such a system once they are able to see past time and space and view the simultaneity of creation.

due to their expansion of consciousness they would be able to mentally know these things and automatically have the answer to many of the perceived mathematical “problems” without having to go through a “process” such as those we use in math.

it might be like if you have three apples in front of you on a table. you don’t really need to count them individually in a process of succession to know automatically that what you see are three apples.

likewise higher beings with an expanded consciousness and a bird’s eye view of time and space might automatically know many of the answers to concepts we view as mathematical problems that need to be solved.

it seems to me that the equation mentioned here by the channeled beings is describing the properties of a liquid like energy field that permeates much like a liquid would inside the crevices of a container.

only this time the crevices are matter and the different densities or vibrations of consciousness.

it is like we are inside a giant liquid like bubble, or energy field, known to us as time and space.

the energy has a mental affect on all consciousness within the energy field and creates a “focusing” of separate concepts or consciousness units.

the true definition of energy according to many of the reliable channeled sources, especially ra, is that of a conscious force that creates the illusion of physical movement. so the reality is that it is only a perceived movement of the self through time or space.

the entities you quoted showed that this energy travels at the speed of light and it is this same energy that creates the perception of both time and space; therefore the properties of both are the same and can be reversed in our perception of experience.

also it makes sense that the speed of this energy field would have to be much faster than the perceived movement of our physical body in order to be able to create this illusion, much like the speed of a tire rim might create the illusion of a solid disc instead of individual spokes in the tire.

but with this illusion it has the opposite affect of slowing everything down to a snails crawl and creates a mental “freezing” leaving behind a memory instead of the actual event.

in actuality the speed of these events is infinitely fast and all occurs at once.

in contrast the physical brain acts like a brake mechanism and slows us down mentally creating a separation of our self as an individual in a single moment in time.

it seems to me that it is the brain that creates this freezing of a moment in time in 3d vibration.

the brain could be compared to a computer processor.

if you go back twenty years and look at the speed of earlier models compared to those we use today, you can see a big difference in the speed of processing information.

the brain processes information at a certain speed created by the rate of 3d vibration or frequency and it is this speed that creates the freezing of a moment and is incomprehensibly slower than infinity.

once the speed of light is reached by the physical body, the apparent illusion of space/time breaks down and the ability to move through time/space now becomes evident.

to put it even more simply the energy field of time and space creates the illusion of separation and allows you to perceive different concepts of time or space.

or put another way the energy field of time and space is your consciousness walling off the whole and only revealing to your individual self portions of infinity occurring slowly.

so once again the energy field basically creates the perception of space and time and has an affect of slowing us down mentally in order to make this possible.

space and time is the result of mentally separating the concepts of infinity.

this walling off is done through the movement of a conscious energy that permeates the different “levels” of perceived vibration in the octave. it is consciousness affecting itself to create a hologram.

what is the whole of creation? it is infinite possibilities that all occur simultaneously.

i have found it most beneficial to attempt to look at our situation as a whole rather than in pieces because after all, the reality of our existence is of one consciousness.

in order to understand the concepts of time and space it might be easier to look at it from a consciousness stand point instead of a mathematical one. consciousness is the whole and creates a mental illusion of space and time

i have posted on this subject in another topic in a discussion of what is oneness. the entity ra also provided a considerable amount of information on the subject of time and space.

understanding time and space can take us a long way in accepting oneness because it is this interface that allows us to experience the hologram of separation. if it were to be taken away infinite would be recognized.

ra even went as far as to elaborate on the different dimensions of time in describing time lines and alternate realities or universes.

we can see from that description that time not only goes backwards and forwards but also sideways, making it possible for an entity to experience multiple realities in different time lines at the present moment.

the only reason we are not aware of these other realities is because our mental capacity has been slowed down to such a degree that we only perceive our current time line at the present moment.

thus showing that time like space also has three dimensions, the forth dimension or measurement being the final element as either the rate of change in time or space.

it is the movement of your physical body that creates the illusion of the rate of change. in space/time the change is seen in space and in time/space the change is seen in time.

in time/space walking in one direction would take you forward in time and walking in another would take you backwards in time so your choices would have an influence on your environment just as they do here, only the influence you have would be of a different nature. you loose one thing and gain another.

i don’t see why you would not be able to interact with other selves in time/space even though this may change the time line you perceive.

i don’t know about that though because i can’t recall reading anything specific from any of the channeled material on that point.

it must be stressed though that these dimensions are only mental projections of infinite intelligence and the ability to move through either time or space is not the true reality, it is just an experience in infinite possibilities of mental projections.

finally i would like to point that i have repeated myself many times over in this post in an effort to clarify what i am trying to say.

the hope is that by saying the same thing in many different ways it will become more clear to those reading. :)

ayadew

12-20-2008, 03:51 AM

i thank you for your post eagleye, and thank you for taking the 'time' (lol ;d) of writing such a long post to educate us further.

this existence's illusion of separation is a broad concept, and still hard for me to fully grasp. the illusion is something i've known my entire life, and it's being rewritten and re-defined with day's intensity.

discussing this makes me full of positive energy, i really feel like i'm spiritually growing, and perhaps intellectually too. but you cannot grow intellectually without a spiritual basis, so i try to harvest spirituality from all things as a priority. may we all continue to teach and learn, and never be disencouraged!

i did think of all this before oxal put it before me, and having "it" confirming the thing i thought so hard on, and could only see the possibility outlined above, makes me very trustful to him and hatonn. a self realized truth is the most meaningful truth.
i believe them to be of a lower density than ra, since they have some manner of 'personality' left, not speaking as a group but as "i". hatonn even joked around once, so perhaps they might be of 5th (they have similarities to the entity seth if you've read about him). they have, nontheless, wisdom which i am grateful for.

all of our sciences are indeed simply transient. knowledge is determined, knowledge is lost, but we remain. our true self remains. i've always felt as if something fundamental was missing when i was studying math, chemistry etc; their ingeniousness only surpassed by their monumental failure. spirituality seemed the last thing meaningful to study, yet ironically the most rewarding, both for myself and those around me.

the most fundamental wrong about our current mathematical system is our inability to handle infinity. infinity is all around us, simply gaze into the sky and you see it. gaze into your hand and you see it. even our most advanced mathematical system, quantum physics, normalizes infinity to plancks constant ( 6.626 068 96(33)×10−34 ) to try to explain this "dark matter" they've invented. it's amusing but mostly sad.
most sciences seem to be founded upon coincidendes. you experiment until you find something that can affect something for beneficial/destructive reasons, but with no idea why and how.
striving for expanded consciousness is the true path, but it's hard to put into words what you feel. the saying "words isn't enough" doesn't stem from nowhere. ^^

may this "speed limit" be the reason for the brain itself to be set at a certain limit (ie we use only a set % of the brain's real capacity)?
might it be so that it's deliberately limited so that we don't float away into litteral infinity but actually learn the lessons of the 3rd density? it seems so, since we can only process data at a certain speed and hold a set amount of objects in our head etc.

eagleye

12-20-2008, 04:15 PM

ayadew,

i’m glad to see you got something from it, i too feel as though these simple revelations are creating a conscious spiritual growth inside of me.

and i couldn’t agree more with your statement on the sciences when you said,” their ingeniousness only surpassed by their monumental failure.”

by why is it that they seemed to have failed us? could it be that we can only find what we are looking for, or what we are led to believe we are looking for?

this does seem to be the case, especially with a process like the scientific method.

it is the scientist who determines the hypothesis to be studied, and the results can only mirror the questions asked.

i don’t see anything inherently wrong with observation and experimentation, or asking questions, but the focus of study, as well as the data, can easily be manipulated to match the desired results of those negatively inspired entities who seek to control and dominate this planet.

by looking at our current situation it can be determined that this is exactly what has happened.

if the data does not match the questions being asked for the “theories” being presented, it is as simple as dismissing it and focusing on information that will support what they want you to believe, even though this is not what they themselves believe.

using money as the control mechanism, this cabal with its many factions, has extended its influence into every facet of our society, including the educational establishments.

the curriculum in science within these “accredited” schools are usually hand picked to remove any data that would support the spirituality of human beings.

by controlling the flow of information, they control the reality which is constantly being created through the mass consciousness of humanity.

these “illuminated ones” know that in order for them to keep their negative polarity they must control through free will in order to create a reality that meets their agenda.

one way of doing this is to fool the population into consenting. they do this in part by presenting faulty biased “documented” scientific data which creates a belief system about reality.

an important part of this fooling process is to make people believe they are nothing more than mechanical machines that can be reduced to the simple operations of their various parts.

and this brings us to the point we are discussing, the manipulation and failure of science in the main stream to provide any real answers about the world around us.

but there is a light at the end of the tunnel. we as a society are beginning to realize the joke was on us. many of us are beginning to reject these contrived realities.

i believe the arrival of the internet is probably the single greatest contributor to this realization.

with this change in the control of information we are now able to access all of the “rejected data” that has for so long been ignored by the mainstream media and educational institutions.

this allows us to reach our own subjective conclusions from the data instead of someone else making those decisions for us.

david has done an amazing job of researching and putting together all of these independent sources of scientific studies that has been rejected by the “trusted” mainstream scientific establishments.

his books and posted articles are unmatched in this respect. it truly is a breath of fresh air from both a scientific and a spiritual standpoint.

it seems that scientists on the illuminati’s pay role are slowly loosing a grip on their long cherished reductionist theories and people all over the planet are beginning to realize that this is simply not the way things work.

true, many of the theories within the field of quantum mechanics may subscribe to a reductionism mentality, but there are those in this field who are not on “the payroll” so to speak, and who we could term as “independent” quantum physicists.

if we are looking for spirituality in science it can be found just as easily. in depends on the questions asked.

take for example one of my favorite physicist fred alan wolf. he has done an extensive amount of work showing how the experiments of the late louis de broglie provide evidence that the substance of the universe is made of consciousness.

a simple overview of these experiments can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfpeprq7ogc

these experiments support what we have been talking about in relation to the nature of time.
they show without a doubt that matter exists only as potential.

the collapsing of the wave of potential is achieved by the observer observing.

the reality is that the physical universe does not exist as individual particles.

it exists as infinity all happening at the same moment and our brains allow us to have the perception of time and space thus collapsing the seeming wave forms into particles.

the act of observing or experiencing collapses these potential waves of energy or perceived motion of us as separate individual consciousness units.

i suspect the near future will bring many delightful developments and a new spiritual approach to the scientific method instead of the dead reductionism.

the duality that has been created between science and spirituality is nothing more than an illusion.

this illusion of duality has been constructed by means of picking and choosing which information to accept, and what to reject, and then presenting this garbage science to the public. :cool:

ayadew

12-21-2008, 02:49 PM

eagleye, you speak much truth. i am grateful to you.
i can only repeat in my own words and thoughts, and attempt to weave something new in.

science, yes. it's purpose is a broad question.
i'm beginning to think that science is perhaps a natural progression as a planet gets more and more populated with 3rd density entities. from our illusion of separation, we desire meaning... we desire to understand the world, and science is a natural progression from there. i believe many thinks we might understand all the "secrets" in the world from mathematics alone, since it has brought us many things (we didn't really need in the first place). yes, i see it more clearly now. my mathematical outlining above is simly not very relevant.

it has brought us the ability for you and i to talk, to spread messages, knowledge and awareness. it's a great tool for the progression of the free will! people are becoming more aware and sceptical by the day... old patterns are being broken. only in 10 years we've seen such fundamental changes in the overall consciousness as internet came into power.

the "rejected" data as you say is wonderful for all of us.
the world/time is truly speeding up!

our scientists are too busy looking at the external world for answers, when they're all within us. they find what they're looking for, they look at the outside world and are led to what they're looking for: a cluster of paradoxes, an obvious illusion. but they embrace it nonetheless... today's science is much too concentrated around pride and money, they seem to encourage each other to follow in this familiar pattern.
the esoteric science is mostly neglected and mocked, but we're also seeing an increase of interest in these things.
it shall indeed be interesting to see how our world's consciousness evolves over these 4 years [from the day of this post!]. ^_^

indeed all this likely is in the "illuminated ones" interests. one can discuss conspiracy theories until one gets blue, but do they really matter so much these days? awareness is their demise. and increased awareness is what we have. we should simply neglect their existence and focus on that which brings us love and unity, not monger fear by discussing them.

may we all continue to grow and spread awareness.
perhaps the duality will soon be no more.

JT1

01-04-2009, 10:59 AM

"space may be thought of as linear, if time is thought of as volumetric. or you may reverse the process, as you do within your limitation, and consider space volumetric and time linear. either is true. and either may be perceived to be true, depending upon the limitations of your thought. it is possible to move linearly in space and volumetrically in time, all with the same movement. you can be aware of what you call the past, the present, and the future, simultaneously."

i'm not a quant so i'll try this qualitatively. space-time is easy to understand because we exist in it. time-space is difficult for us, but what if we were to use our past/future for x (including past lives), alternate universes for y, and ourselves in different states of evolution (ie 3d vs 6d) for z?

in time-space, we are fixed in space - as you say "while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space]" but we may visit ourselves in different moments in time?

does this make any sense or am i totally off?

hbnmgr

01-19-2009, 05:41 PM

since my early studies in (sorry your rules prevent mention of it),

time is - but the consciousness of man!

is that simple enough for you?

:cool:

ayadew

01-20-2009, 10:29 AM

time is a fundamental part of this density's consciousness and illusion, at least. but when you access higher places time is forgotten.. you simply exist.

KassandraLoves

01-21-2009, 11:15 AM

time = illusion.

christincook

01-21-2009, 04:25 PM

in time-space, we are fixed in space - as you say "while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space]" but we may visit ourselves in different moments in time?

does this make any sense or am i totally off?

i'm glad you bring this up, because i wonder as well. i don't know the answer to your question, but it is so hard for me to fathom the flipping of space-time to time-space... and in so doing, not being able to move about in space?

what does this mean for us? what will it be like? does it mean that we will not be able to move about and travel on earth as we do now? will we not be able to experience nature as we do now? moving around in time sounds cool, but i think i've grown a little fond of being able to move around in space :)

what if i want to visit a different place? will there only be one "space" option, as there is only one "time" option now? so many more questions than answers. perhaps it will feel much more natural than we can now imagine.

ayadew

01-22-2009, 01:34 AM

in time-space, we are fixed in space - as you say "while moving inside time-dimensions you may not influence the physical world [space]" but we may visit ourselves in different moments in time?

does this make any sense or am i totally off?

according to my theory, yes, this is what you can do. i cannot define "awareness", which is what will be influenced when you see your past lifes, as your individual awareness will learn from these experiences. but it is not physical..

Enivid

01-22-2009, 02:21 PM

something i felt like adding to the discussion:

time is also a memory that we store in our brain. its just information about what just happened, and its the speed of how fast our brain is storing information.

Tenet Nosce

12-02-2009, 06:29 PM

i don't know how many people on here are aware of or follow l/l research which is the source of the original ra material. they continue to post transcripts of their material. most of it now comes through a source which identifies itself as q'uo.

anyhow the material in their latest two postings is some of the best that i have ever read from any source, and i just wanted to share.

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1020.aspx

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1013.aspx (http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2009/2009_1013.aspx)

peace.

Wisdom1111

08-03-2010, 09:55 AM

it is my understanding that the world of spirit exists in now time where past, present and the potential future are experienced simotaniously. does that mean our higherself is experiencing and managing all our past present and future lives all at the same time?:confused: if it is true can we then pull skills and talents from them that we do not poccess now?

Tenet Nosce

11-11-2010, 06:25 AM

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1023.aspx

to the ego or the personality shell it seems an intrusion for people to know your thoughts. however, you will find that it is a great relief. to your ego there are some thoughts that are good and some thoughts that are not good and you would not wish people to know of your secret thoughts. and yet, since all entities have them, they are not a surprise to anyone in fourth density or above. they are a part of an integrated being that contains all things that there are. if you are one with all that there is, do you not contain all things? consequently it is not a shock to you, in the context of a fourth-density social memory complex, that those entities which make up the social memory complex have, each and every one of them, a full panoply of thoughts, both positive and negative.

12thUranus

11-11-2010, 05:06 PM

http://llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2010/2010_1023.aspx

panoply... interesting word choice...

negative thoughts exist, but they are consciously brought to a vibratory level of positive. this is the supposed nature of 4d positive. the "openness" exists and is used openly to come to a positive vibrational achievement.

this isn't a misstep or misspeak. i find it cohesive with the concept...

Tenet Nosce

11-12-2010, 03:37 PM

panoply... interesting word choice...

ya.. i wonder if they meant it in more of the "impressive array" or the "protective covering" connotation.

negative thoughts exist, but they are consciously brought to a vibratory level of positive. this is the supposed nature of 4d positive. the "openness" exists and is used openly to come to a positive vibrational achievement.

this isn't a misstep or misspeak. i find it cohesive with the concept...

i agree. it think it is sometimes unclear in people's minds that 4d doesn't mean the end of negativity... just 100x less of it.

PriestOfLight

12-07-2011, 09:38 PM

found this on l/l research site while eating humble pie. thought this was pretty interesting in respect to the logos that we are in.

"there are many times in your individual life where you will have an experience that appears that something negative is going to happen to you. in the preparation of the self for said negative event, there are those appropriate shifts and realizations that are made in consciousness. you come to understand that, because of the [burgeoning] event that is transforming you, you can let go of many things that have formed stopping-blocks and holding points in your life in the past. now you have the opportunity to let them go by the wayside. it is only after you make these shifts that you discover that the negative event itself does not need to transpire, as what was truly required was the change in consciousness and not the essence of actually going through said event.

similarly, there are many scenarios being bandied about regarding the idea of apocalyptic doom or nuclear conflagration or some other aspect of mass destruction that would take you outside of your zones of comfort and put you into a “mad max scenario,” as some would call it, some form of complete disruption and chaos. there are adjustments that are being made to planetary consciousness. there are carefully placed strictures involved in what your negative elites are actually capable of performing in terms of physical acts on your plane.

thusly you see the detention of one known as jose padilla, who was accused of having been a terrorist without any supporting information and was apprehended and held in guantanamo bay, cuba, without being able to contact his lawyer or otherwise have access to the normal rights in the constitution. from this one case, one may project a fear that this will become commonplace; that ordinary anti-war protesters will be denied their citizenship and herded off to detention camps or such things. since the beginning of our work with david, we have always stated that although these potentialities would appear to be possible, that they will never actually arise into physicality.

[pulled out this part of the paragraph]
this is by virtue of the fact that your planet is essentially positive and that there are simply not enough of your peoples who are willing to turn their backs upon others, especially within their own country, and in so doing, create this nightmare scenario that is such a virtual re-depiction of previous negative scenarios on your plane.
[/pulled out this part of the paragraph]

therefore, you can choose to have a fear reaction, if you want to, to the events that are transpiring on the earth at this time. however, we would ask that you make this choice with the understanding that it is only useful to you insofar as it leads you to make realizations about your own life. to put it in a more blunt fashion we can say that as you fall out of love with your negative elite and no longer seek to give them the god-like status that the media would convey, you also take yourself off of the pedestal that you have erected and recognize the ways in which you yourself have allowed negative situations to propagate and to fester. when you become more and more cognizant of the ways in which some of these negative actions in the grand political scheme play themselves out in your own world, you begin to understand how ascension truly occurs."

here is a link to the complete

http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2003/2003_0302.aspx

priest of light

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-08-2011, 09:14 AM

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-08-2011, 09:20 AM

while reading more of the q'uo channeling, i found this shocking revelation, which by me feels way too prominent.
the entity was asked a question in regarding any actual spots in time with which the harvest can be associated.
although it went on answering for quite some time, nothing could've prepared me for this:

"the planet itself, minus the time lateral, will completely shift into fourth density at the winter solstice of 2011."
-q'uo

in love and welcoming light,
ra ma

billybobbutterball

12-08-2011, 09:33 AM

and just what makes up the principle of quo??

for those interested please go to the beginning and take a looksee at posts #2 and # 5

yours truly, bbb

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/jan3/rueckert.htm

here is a nice interview with carla channeling q'uo.
it is very hard to define exactly what q'uo is/are, i like how they put it: "we are those known to you as the principle of q'uo."

love and light,
ra ma

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-08-2011, 10:28 AM

thanks bill,
here's what i got:

"this particular principle was created because this particular instrument has a certain way of tuning and preparing for contact with the confederation entities.

as each within this circle is aware, the contact with those of ra was a very narrow-band contact which was only possible during that window of opportunity when the ones known as don, jim and carla were all in the circle and when the one known as don passed from this third-density experience, the possibility of further contact with this particular entity was ended.

however, this instrument continued to tune and pray in the same manner and those of latwii and others within the confederation, including those of hatton and those of ra, felt that perhaps the creation of a principle would best respond to this instrument’s very real desire for the highest and best contact of which she was capable. since those of ra could not speak with this instrument in a conscious and stable manner, there was no possibility for that social memory complex being the speaker. however, both those of hatton and those of latwii had previously enjoyed sharing the thoughts of those of ra in a teach/learning circle and the three groups decided that they would blend into one principle, with the ones known as hatton being responsible simply for projecting a vibration of love, of which i feel sure that each of you is aware as we speak. the ones known as latwii took the responsibility for speaking to this instrument and the ones known as ra were part of the process of defining just how to respond to the question that was presented to the principle of q’uo.

so, as those of q’uo speak, it is those of latwii who are creating the concepts which this instrument receives and translates into words."

love and light,
ra ma

ps: for those interested; hatton is 4th density(not sure about this one but it makes sense because), latwii is 5th density and ra is 6th density.

MarkM

12-08-2011, 10:55 AM

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-08-2011, 11:10 AM

hello ra mark,
:)

i found it on the lightworkers.org but due to its forum nature, i hessitated to provide it, knowing links to other forums/blogs are not allowed here.

but here it is in the archive: http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/issues/2007/2007_0211.aspx

love and light,
ra ma

transiten

12-09-2011, 06:17 AM

hello jeia!

thanks for the link, throws me back to the eternal question of the "instantaneous/gradual ascension question". has david ever referred to this quote of qu'o while discussing this issue that seems to divide pple into opposites?
lacy j dalton i discovered here on dc only to find in living the law of one she's a favourite of carla also!

MarkM

12-09-2011, 06:52 PM

MarkM

12-09-2011, 07:20 PM

scottki

12-09-2011, 09:06 PM

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/jan3/rueckert.htm

here is a nice interview with carla channeling q'uo.
it is very hard to define exactly what q'uo is/are, i like how they put it: "we are those known to you as the principle of q'uo."

love and light,
ra ma

just started reading this and was intregued by this statement;

"firstly we would say that the physical manifestations of unrest, terrorism and war are what they are and are the natural outworking of the processes of graduation in which entities who have chosen service to self are attempting to graduate with the same devotion and focus with those who are attempting to graduate in the path of service to others."

do you think they mean the common soldier is down the path of sts? that does not seem right but who knows.

scottki

12-09-2011, 09:11 PM

billybobbutterball

12-09-2011, 09:57 PM

taking note of a confessed failing of the ra

they have mentioned in the past that they have trouble with our numbers and dates, so forth...they also have a hard time thinking of us as individuals rather than lumped altogether into a singular social/mental/spiritual amalgamation...or words to that effect. helps to keep in mind that time is so that everything doesn't seem to be happening at once...or maybe that doesn't help...actually it confuses me a bunch...

billious g aka bbb

transiten

12-10-2011, 03:37 AM

in furtherance to the above - i don't know when this list was assembled, and haven't yet researched as to whether q'uo has made more recent comments as to the time-lateral concept than those contained here.

in all this, i offer that despite mysterious pronouncements hinting at future scenarios, (all begins and ends in mystery - ra) there is only the present moment in which to find acceptance and peace, and the practice of a wholly unconditional love for every condition, every being and everything. i feel that love/light becomes a truly universal radiant light/love only in the present moment of attainment. our becoming, rather than being seduced into future hopes, is now, put out there with whatever attainment we have now, as in choosing 'now' to radiate what we have achieved with unconditional love, now. now is the time, and now is the potential. mark

hi ra ma :) and transiten,

i've never heard david speak of the time-lateral concept as channeled from q'uo through carla. i often consider the difference between the ra channelings which were seemingly achieved without having to pass through the conscious biases of carla, and the q'uo channelings which were of a more broad band transmission, and are channeled while carla is conscious. i do know that david has said that this type of channeling is more likely to reflect the conscious biases of the channeler.

however, i do note that the time-lateral concept was never put forth by the ra, inasfar as i am aware. if any of the more astute loo students out there feel that such a scenario was hinted to by the ra in any way please offer your imput.

tonite i stumbled upon a pdf on the net - someone has seemingly gone through all the q'uo references to the time-lateral and collected them altogether in this pdf. here's the link:

http://montalk.net/timelateral.pdf

thanks mark

this statement of david also means that since he is conscious while channeling, his channeling of ra is more biased than carla's channeling of ra? right? so in this respect carla's channeling would be more reliable according to david's own logic?

scottki

12-10-2011, 08:47 PM

thanks mark

this statement of david also means that since he is conscious while channeling, his channeling of ra is more biased than carla's channeling of ra? right? so in this respect carla's channeling would be more reliable according to david's own logic?

does dw really channel ra?

billybobbutterball

12-10-2011, 10:25 PM

hi, scottki

hmmm...you seem to be posing a rather indelicate question ( more like fast-pitching a hot potato!

i guess i could let the ball go by and cry, "ball one! wrong question!" then i should quickly counter by claiming the real question should be, "does the ra channel dw?"

scott, i think that the problem is this: what aspect of the ra is being contacted? after all, the ra is a pretty humongous entity. i can imagine that it has quantities of qualities that can monitor and work with a great many individuals/groups -- in differing manners best suited to the task. it seems to me i do have memories of such being suggested here and there in the literature. and if it is not the ra making the contact i would imagine that it would be a synthesized principle such as the estimable qu'o, as crafted by the larger aspects of the ra to do the task.

but do keep in mind that carla was steeped in years of ra contact...i'm sure that added to portions of her mental comprehension offers many of extra keys to the instrument being played upon by q'uo. the same goes for david...he has been crafted over the years for the job he is doing so well.

i must confess that -- however much i respect the ra material -- i get a more personal, and down to earth resonance from the contacts with qu'o and latwii. i can remember that one of the problems with the ra and latwii aspect was their admitted differences in their individual sense of humor..(after reading one of ra's jokes, i can see why)

so, to sum up, i think contacts with the ra can be like fueling up with gasoline....regular, middle or premium grade...what works best for you is using what works best in your particular engine.

now please understand that i'm not happy with parts of my response...but be assured that mark will step up and do it right...i.e., hitting the potato out of the park!

smile! be happy! hey! i'm tickled spiritual pink that someone is speaking to us!

billousbobbybladderwhacky

does dw really channel ra?

Kris

12-10-2011, 11:13 PM

i must confess that -- however much i respect the ra material -- i get a more personal, and down to earth resonance from the contacts with qu'o and latwii.

billousbobbybladderwhacky

me too billousbobbybladderwhacky!

transiten

12-11-2011, 02:07 AM

and i must admit that i've been on bring4th and lately avalon much for the instant communication properties more suitable to my personal situation; still haven't met the prince on the white horse and since my beloved life companion shorthaired collie pajazzo went to the happy hounting-grounds i august....

those other forums surely are more rough and wild but we've created a "village" on avalon, a safe garden to go when posts get rough and love seems to grow.
also it's healthy to get some perspective of a place you've stayed in for long like dc, just like leaving home and coming back and for sure the humour bbb is displaying is nowhere else to be found, so if no other reason lol....why doesn't the smileys "mercury retrograde" work for me?

anyway, i carry davids book while visiting my father reading "loud" for him so i'm on dc all the same..

what about my latest post and the "conscious/david versus unconscious/carla question? anyone who wants to step up to the plate? mercury is retrograde so it might be information missing still...and difficult to come to a conclusion...

by the way what does qu'o mean? makes me think of "quotation"....

billybobbutterball

12-11-2011, 07:37 AM

hi, trans... somewhere in the sacred vaults of llresearch lies the secret of q'uo. but i don't know how to find it again.. below is my original take on the name from post #5 (or #2?) that i made on this thread...

which is......

trivia: the term q'uo, is rather evocative. way, way back during the height of the hollywood biblical movie period one of the most memorable was that named, "q'uo vadis" the rough translation being, "where goest thou?" (i know these things --i was a motion picture machine operator)

transiten

12-11-2011, 08:03 AM

you don't say bbb? guess what the statue standing next to my computer is called??? it's from my mothers home in marseille: a greek stylish woman and man and two doves....a relevant question for sure...

MarkM

12-11-2011, 11:43 AM

hi, scottki

hmmm...you seem to be posing a rather indelicate question ( more like fast-pitching a hot potato!

yeah, scottki, but actually like hurling a hot potato masher! (what the brits used to call the german hand grenade in ww whatever)

i guess i could let the ball go by and cry, "ball one! wrong question!" then i should quickly counter by claiming the real question should be, "does the ra channel dw?"

scott, i think that the problem is this: what aspect of the ra is being contacted? after all, the ra is a pretty humongous entity. i can imagine that it has quantities of qualities that can monitor and work with a great many individuals/groups -- in differing manners best suited to the task. it seems to me i do have memories of such being suggested here and there in the literature. and if it is not the ra making the contact i would imagine that it would be a synthesized principle such as the estimable qu'o, as crafted by the larger aspects of the ra to do the task.

but do keep in mind that carla was steeped in years of ra contact...i'm sure that added to portions of her mental comprehension offers many of extra keys to the instrument being played upon by q'uo. the same goes for david...he has been crafted over the years for the job he is doing so well.

i must confess that -- however much i respect the ra material -- i get a more personal, and down to earth resonance from the contacts with qu'o and latwii. i can remember that one of the problems with the ra and latwii aspect was their admitted differences in their individual sense of humor..(after reading one of ra's jokes, i can see why)

so, to sum up, i think contacts with the ra can be like fueling up with gasoline....regular, middle or premium grade...what works best for you is using what works best in your particular engine.

now please understand that i'm not happy with parts of my response...but be assured that mark will step up and do it right...i.e., hitting the potato out of the park!

there are reports that i've heard where soldiers would use a club to whack an incoming grenade out of the park... scottki's question offers us a grand opportunity to allow us all to get to know david a little better and to allow david to address this question himself - he's got a bigger club... ;)

smile! be happy! hey! i'm tickled spiritual pink that someone is speaking to us!

billousbobbybladderwhacky

bladderwhacky? reminds me of someone too lazy to get up from behind the computer when nature calls... ;)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/289-cosmic-perspective-on-daily-events

PriestOfLight

12-11-2011, 04:39 PM

and just what makes up the principle of quo??

for those interested please go to the beginning and take a looksee at posts #2 and # 5

yours truly, bbb

i read on ll that q'ou is a group of 4th/5th density beings formed by ra to communicate to third density due to the fact that contact to ra could no longer occur after don had passed away. it would seem they relate better to us because we are closer to their vibration imo.

paul

billybobbutterball

12-11-2011, 06:06 PM

hi, priest of light..a bit more to ponder...

the ra logi being/entity is supposedly better attuned to the earthly problems is because "they" originally graduated from 3d during the venus episode. there is another co-working spiritual factor involved in the on-going creative process; that would be the one-some identified as the elohim (creator of the universe, as mentioned in the bible) the ephemeral elohim is oriented more to the theoretical aspects rather than the practical since they have never experienced being boots on the ground.

an interesting insight concerning these two gods (little g) is that they don't desire whatsoever to be worshiped as they would be more inclined to simply shake our hands. the god (with the really big g!!!) is that of the one creator, or prime creator, or the, all that is....which is a most mysterious thing unto itself. the concept is similar to the unique panentheist role played by "brahmin"-- the ultimate entity as described in hindu religious philosophy. note: in some fashion or the other we can finally touch base with the "real deal" after we graduate to 8d (give or take a d or two)

butterball...

p.s. the above is more suggestive than real...if it doesn't strike a right chord
in your own thinking, please disregard with vigor...

MarkM

12-11-2011, 07:48 PM

my previous post links to a very personal and candid blog of david's in which he describes his life-long process of developing his protocols for contacting his sixth-density higher self, and for receiving messages therefrom.

an important thing to keep in mind with this is that a very large percentage of us here on earth share the same sixth-density higher self as david, which is a conglomeration of an entire planet's (venus) worth of third density souls which have long since achieved 'social-memory-complex' status.

that which spoke through carla was ra, or this higher self smc as it was specifically tailored to the triad of carla, jim and don. that apparancy of individual personality of ra ceased to exist after the death of don, and continued contact with 'ra' or in other words the 6d smc was facilitated for carla by a step-down principle called q'uo.

here's an excerpt of what d has to say about his own protocols with contacting his 6d higher self:

this is vastly more difficult with channeling - enough so that in the last 100 years there are only a handful of sources that are even partially credible. the access to quick, instant celebrity on the internet has made this problem far, far worse than it was when you at least had to convince a publisher to put out your book, or pony up the money to do it yourself.

the biggest problem is that sentences are coming out of your mouth, and your mind says "oh, this is cool, i like this, i know where this is going" and starts contributing to the data. before long, your results are largely the product of your imagination, with a few genuine 'psychic hits' thrown in that make more naive readers believe that the whole thing now has unimpeachable credibility. then you end up making prophecies about a certain date, usually some kind of doomsday, and when the date comes and goes with nothing to show for it, your hand-wringing explanations are not sufficient to restore your shattered credibility among all but the most gullible of your readers.

i did not start out with smooth, flowing verse, augmented by imagination. most channelers are speaking complete sentences when they first get started, thanks to this blending process with the conscious mind, but in my case i followed remote-viewing protocols as best i could, adapting them specifically to the collection of individual words and sentence fragments. as a result, my early results were highly disjointed and did not read very well at all. the data came through in an "encrypted" fashion, often using dream-like metaphors to establish points. in order to avoid my mind grabbing on, when the source needed to talk about me it would often refer to me in the feminine gender - essentially so that personal messages could get through and i wouldn't have enough time to figure out what was going on.

it took a great deal of work for me to get to the point where i could hold the proper depth of trance and have the results come through as consistent, reliable sentences. furthermore, i'd already been doing esp exercises since i was seven years old and had a daily practice of writing my dreams down in the morning for the previous four years. both of these disciplines certainly made it easier to go into this kind of work, but even so i had a lot of clearing to do... i had to resolve outstanding issues in my life

so to me it seems that much of the life work of d has been about developing the ability to channel ra (the sixth density higher self of many on this planet) in a relative state of trance, without the total removal of his mind/spirit complex from his body as was necessary for carla, and perhaps edgar... one wonders how he continues to refine this and will refine it as he goes along...

wilcock channeling ra:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/readings-in-text-form/282-8306-reading-what-about-those-wars-in-the-middle-east

scottki

12-12-2011, 03:23 AM

i am a big fan of dw and will defend him to the last. i bet over half of people on bring 4th found out about ra through him. i have only been awake 2 1/2 years though and have been listening to him and reading the blog before i actually read the loo. i have never heard him say he channels ra nor sign his channels with anything other than adonai which is only a hint. that is why i asked. the youtube audio is a bit embarrassing imo. saying that he may well channel ra!

i agree trans that the instant posting and more laise-fare mods of bring 4th is better. it is more free will to dcs control but i still post far more here!

dw is here to take the loo to the next level and i am grateful for that!

transiten

12-12-2011, 05:01 AM

thanks mark

my recurring question - mercury retrograde/doing things over and over again - exactly links to your final sentence:

is david's channeling of ra more biased since he is in a "relative state of trance" while carla's mind/spirit complex is totally removed while she is channeling and therefore should be more "pure" and less "biased" according to david's own logic.

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-12-2011, 07:39 AM

i'll address all other things later, just had to point this sync out first,
just now i opened the link that mark provided for us, and scrolled just a bit down and saw my name "elizabeth" starring back at me. lol. strangeness.

yeah, scottki, but actually like hurling a hot potato masher! (what the brits used to call the german hand grenade in ww whatever)

there are reports that i've heard where soldiers would use a club to whack an incoming grenade out of the park... scottki's question offers us a grand opportunity to allow us all to get to know david a little better and to allow david to address this question himself - he's got a bigger club... ;)

bladderwhacky? reminds me of someone too lazy to get up from behind the computer when nature calls... ;)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/289-cosmic-perspective-on-daily-events

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-12-2011, 09:21 AM

bill said: "they have mentioned in the past that they have trouble with our numbers and dates, so forth...they also have a hard time thinking of us as individuals rather than lumped altogether into a singular social/mental/spiritual amalgamation...or words to that effect. helps to keep in mind that time is so that everything doesn't seem to be happening at once...or maybe that doesn't help...actually it confuses me a bunch..." [i address this further on]

yes, all begins and ends in mystery but it is the journey through that makes up the meaning to the vibrational variations in the spirals; from the point of realization through adapting and then eventually having to grow out of the dualistic unbalanced density of chaos; knowing thy evil; but not thy able to do anything about it; we all have to eventually move but we can experience a density for as much as we want.

and of course this scenario was hinted on by ra; and made verbal by the latwii. the three groups that make up the principle of q'uo are alike the conscious/subconscious/unconscious parts of the mind. each working on their unique part. and knowing latwii is a 5th density being, experts at communications, would be the conscious processor for this mind, and would be responsible for symbolization and verbalization of the answers. but ra are a part of this principle and thus, the q'uo principle being essentially their idea to continue work with carla, the ra have an active role in deciding what comes out no matter what numbers are tight to it by the latwii. and let us not forget the density of latwii: 5th; communication experts. most of the beings we know as aliens, who have visited earth in the past, and still do, are 5th density beings. they are not at all near ra's level, and thus being only 75% active in time/space, these beings still rely on certain aspects of the space/time continuum. what aids the ra in keeping such a balance is the full realization of both time/space and space/time.

"the ones known as latwii took the responsibility for speaking to this instrument and the ones known as ra were part of the process of defining just how to respond to the question that was presented to the principle of q’uo."

we are still very affected by the linear flow of time, and yes for us, things happen on specific dates at specific times. also, a note aside, numbers have been working as subconscious triggers since the day we've entered into 3rd density vibration.

there are two things we must keep in mind: those of the 5th density will be most active during the process of integration. what this means, is those of the 5th density sectors of the confederation are and will assist earth and its inhabitants with the transition.

the second thing to keep in mind, and the more controversial aspect of the shift, is of course, how it is all going to go down?

in my personal opinion, as always. what the q'uo is talking about here, is the final transition of the earth itself into the 4th density vibration. this means that all the catastrophes associated with this shift already occurred. now the earth goes into 4th density and the adjustments in humans themselves is what follows. (not dramatic pole shifts, hehe)
this is gonna take roughly a year, and guess what? take us exactly to dec 21, 2012.

check this out:
upcoming event: december 22nd 2011:

12 22 2011

december 21st 2012:

12 21 2012

and again, numbers might not be a thing in 6th density but it sure is a thing for us.

now, we get to finish these lives as we have started them out. all that is going to happen is we are going to regain the conscious awareness of the law of one and etc. we once had in ancient atlantis. this is done, so that we get our last chance to make things right. during this time only two things will occur: disclosure and spread of free energy. and when this knowledge is finally out in the public after being hidden from all for centuries, people will get a chance to experience life in abundance. same chance we had in the very beginning of 3rd density vibration. not knowing what something is worth until you loose it. (if you guys only knew who just whispered that into my ear) [continue in next post]

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-12-2011, 09:26 AM

this is the time to settle all karma we have collected through our 3rd density journey on earth.

only after all of us pass away in this lifetime are we then reborn into 4th density bodies with the veil of forgetfulness finally lifted. (by us, by the way, not some genie)

and this is why; the shift is open for a while so that everyone can go through the ascension they desire. some to 4th density sts some to sto and some will want to continue on with the dualistic experience somewhere else, on another 3d world. these people are willingly choosing during their deaths to reincarnate again with the veil of forgetfulness still in effect.

also, this is why ra said that even those dead right now and haven’t been reborn will still go through this process.

and because we won’t forget our death and rebirth process this time, we will remember our last life in 3rd density vibration and continue our own missions from then on.

side note again; this is why a 5th density planet, like venus for example, can nurture both 5th density and 6th density beings. until 6th density we will need a planet. after, we no longer need a permanent home world.

why can’t we just evolve now and have ascension to 4th density?

because the dna recode (or whatever you may want to call it) has to occur to your energy body first, the body that will be exposed after the organic one is gone. and only after are we reborn into our 4th density bodies. which would not be compatible with our insides if not for this process.

okay, well i think i said enough on the subject.

it would be nice to hear david's opinions about this, especially because he never goes into details on these important aspects of the shift, which he should. the old world order will crumble on its own. those of the spiritual statues alike dw's have to be out in the people now, aiding with the process.

he did promise us that party in 2013, lol.

in love and welcoming light,
ra ma

here to build white cities full of hope and understanding!

transiten

12-12-2011, 01:38 PM

gosh and thanks jeia, how elaborate was that! and for sure it would be much appreciated if david would comment on this. he could do that in his blog, seems like it's only politics these days. is it possible for the mods to contact him and ask him to adress this issue since it's still a "water shed" among us seekers.

Jeia Ra Manuk

12-12-2011, 03:22 PM

thanks dearest as always! yes, i wanted to fit in there as much info as i could.
i commented on david's recent blog entry, providing him with the quote we are talking about here.
so, maybe he saw it and maybe not, but what is important is that he must address not specific dates nor time, but why and how everything will occur.
it would be the modest thing to do for his followers.
yeah, he's all about politics at the moment and as i said before, the old world order will crumble on its own and all they've been hiding will soon be revealed.
this is a natural occurrence in evolution. the old must fall to make way for the new.

love~

gosh and thanks jeia, how elaborate was that! and for sure it would be much appreciated if david would comment on this. he could do that in his blog, seems like it's only politics these days. is it possible for the mods to contact him and ask him to adress this issue since it's still a "water shed" among us seekers.

MarkM

12-13-2011, 06:11 PM

it seems to me that d has already spent much time and effort in order to elucidate on the topic of the shift in terms of not only his scientific research but also in terms of his inner guidance.

the dc site contains thousands of pages of articles, readings, links and also several books, and over the years he has built up this vast resource covering many topics including the scientific case for the mental, physical, emotional and spiritual mechanics for the shift. this is a huge study.

perhaps there is a suggestion here that this effort should be more spiritually configured, and with an energy and focus which should eclipse his current efforts with regard to the global financial elites?

i doubt the negative elites will fall on their own, any more than will an emotionally unbalanced person find balance and personal coherence without doing the gruntwork - q'uo as well as ra go to great lengths to suggest that the smoothing of the less than harmonious energies which perturb our transition has everything to do with not only our individual efforts to face and deal with our unresolved issues, but our collective efforts as well.

after all, the efforts of those aiding this globe are bent upon increasing the yield, as it were, in the face of a very recalcitrant population conglomeration.

in this i'd suggest that it's not only politics david is dealing with here but also with the hyper-dimensional aspects of how the phenomenon of ruling cabals with their 'powers' over us have served to function as a working manifestation of schizm within the human family itself, and how our collective awakening to, learning something of the functioning of, and illumination of this phenomenon is a central key to the spiritual evolution of man on earth.

i doubt that david is spending so much time and energy with the ongoing processes of disclosure of the occulted inner workings of the veiled aspects of collective humanity if he didn't feel he had good reason from the overall spiritual perspective.

anyway, it does seem to me that there are great revelations happening right now, and it's what's happening in the present moment that offers catalyst for mass awakening, or for any awakening, for that matter.

as with shadows which can no longer serve to harbour fearful and threatening illusions at dawn, there is the potential for collective humanity to greet the dawn and begin hitherto unimaginable glories in the light. our horrified and fearful reactions against our own shadows may be the only thing lying between us and the dawn of a splendid sunlit morning's reunion with ourselves and our greater family, but - first things first!

many are already quite spiritually awakened, and grok the whole illuminati thing, are contacting their higher selves, becoming energetically balanced and are overcoming fear, and are not in need of further exploration of the moonlit forums, but so many, many more quite simply aren't there yet... millions around the world are beginning to figure out that something's going on waay, waay beyond the matrix of illusion which they have been taught since birth, with some large measure of the fears which accompany the initial discoveries; and the economic inequities of the globe and the existence of a renegade, hidden faction of ourselves are becoming more and more on everyone's mind.

someone who experiences the shattering, mind-numbing catalyst herein may well be potentially more open for the first time in eons to the finer points of spiritual possibility.

hmm, wait a bit, millions... masses... mass awakening... what is really going on, here??

maybe d is more concerned with the strategic goal of helping un-knot something tangible, real and potentially illuminating and fear-conquering for the majority third density duped and dozing denizens than with ministering to those who are already well on their way.

so, yeah, i know, this is the q'uo thread, so if we are to continue the discussion of d's motives with the political stuff, or if you wish to respond to this post, please copy and paste me into the fulford thread. mark

transiten

12-14-2011, 07:54 AM

mark!

i don't question david's political work for a second and i've been following him since 2007 appreciating the combination of his deep understanding of co-dependency, synchronicity, politics and spirituality. what i fail to understand is if he still adheres to the "instantaneous ascension" "in a strong moment and blink of an eye" (ra says something like that) or if he has shifted to the perspective of carla, that we're living our current 3d lives in the "old way" and only make the ascension after our physical "normal"death here on mother earth.

i have a hard time believing it should only come down to what "timeline" you're in or "choose" and i still picture those left here wondering "where on earth did those guys disappear?"

MarkM

12-14-2011, 08:18 AM

hi lilliane,

i know you only wish to address that question, my love, i was responding more in general to others! :)

in david's recent book he offers evidence that energetic transformation of the body - removal (transmutation) of the body itself from this plane - has occurred with thousands of people in the modern world. while this evidence may be circumstantial, it indicates to me that david still allows for the possibility of instantaneous ascension.

i personally have only attempted to delineate the possibility for this in my own postings, even though i don't know what will happen. i'm not too worried though as it is not that important to me! ;) mark

transiten

12-14-2011, 08:52 AM

fine mark!

i like being called "my love" and it shows in my transits also, but i won't tell you which ones (and it wouldn't be allowed either lol!) love back to you! well i'm off to my father on friday and i'm looking forward to that chapter, still reading about the ufo:techs.

wish you all a peaceful x-mas, if possible in these times with fulford disappearing and reappering "in a blink of an eye" (mercury just started moving and there's always more coming until he has gained his speed)

and we're in for an interesting 2012 for sure!

scottki

12-19-2011, 02:56 AM

hi ra ma :) and transiten,

i've never heard david speak of the time-lateral concept as channeled from q'uo through carla. i often consider the difference between the ra channelings which were seemingly achieved without having to pass through the conscious biases of carla, and the q'uo channelings which were of a more broad band transmission, and are channeled while carla is conscious. i do know that david has said that this type of channeling is more likely to reflect the conscious biases of the channeler.

however, i do note that the time-lateral concept was never put forth by the ra, inasfar as i am aware. if any of the more astute loo students out there feel that such a scenario was hinted to by the ra in any way please offer your imput.

tonite i stumbled upon a pdf on the net - someone has seemingly gone through all the q'uo references to the time-lateral and collected them altogether in this pdf. here's the link:

http://montalk.net/timelateral.pdf

thanks mark for posting this. fascinating reading. just finished it now. from the below quote, does it mean the time lateral started after atlantis or before/at the beginning of the 75k cycle?

"there has been a genuine, authentic time of choice
that has been created out of the nothingness of previously impossible lack of time. however, like
any experiment, it has a period: a beginning, a
middle, and an ending. the beginning was before history began upon your planet. you have a fair view
of the history of the middle. you gaze now at the
end point of this experiment."