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Tarzan
10-21-2001, 08:44 AM
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><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">jason,</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">thank you for sending this cool interview.</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">i really like the points that he has made, epecially about the greys. i have read of other positive viewpoints regarding them and i resonated with those, rather than the dark viewpoints.</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">i am excited about the idea of the 'professionalization program', which can be very useful in exposing the too-many secrets hidden by the elite cabal that pulls the strings of everybody else. i hope that someday soon we can have such rv pros posting their viewings on the internet so that there can be less secrets--and less power for the cabal to operate in secrecy.</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">also, given brown's comments on the impacts of global realization in the validity of ee tees, it is clear to me that time is very ripe very soon for a global unveiling of ee tees. i certainly can see this happening by 2003. i sense that when this ee tee event finally happens, that this event would do more to help change the consciousness/perceptions of the masses than any event ever to happen. most people have been well exposed to the idea of ee tees, even if they are completely dismissive of ee tees, thus when this big unveiling finally happens, so many people would quickly shift and adjust their perceptions of reality. suddenly, what was secret/unknown/dismissed would be considered seriously and if that happens, then the agenda of the illoonynaughties would suddenly have their rug of f.e.a.r.(false evidence appearing real) pulled, thus weakening their dark hold on our f.e.a.r.s. then after that, all heaven will break loose and amazing numbers of people can make great leaps in consiousness in very short periods of time--just in time for the great shift.</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">i kinda like that senario. come on ee tees--it's showtime! no need to phone ahead--just bloody show up!</span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001"></span></font>
><font color="#0000ff" face="arial" size="2"><span class="480222315-21102001">seth</span></font>

jason w
10-26-2001, 10:42 PM
found this on the net, pretty interesting transcript of dr. brown on
art bell few years back. i can't attest to the validity of what he
says, but still it was nice to see a positive perspective on the
greys for once. i also read a book of his recently, his newest one.
it does also speak about the reptilian race, which has segments which
appear to be negatively polarized, but that information isn't in the
transcript, besides...why feed energy to the negative anyway? just
bring in more light. the negative will either become illuminated or
continue until on its path, in any case, not my concern. if i
understand the system of vibration, when one is in a 4th dimensional
positive, or even just positive vibrations here in 3d, the
negative/dark is incapable of interacting with those higher
frequencies. also, dr. brown discusses how most reptilians aren't the
negative beings we have the impression of. it's generally the ones in
3d, 4d negative..and apparently a small segment of the entire
race/species. not something i think is necessary to focus on in any
case. with focus...we feed them our energy.

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the greys

dr courtney brown discusses the greys on the 19/6/96 art bell show

art bell: the greys. who are they?

dr brown: those greys are interesting. you know, they had a bad rap.
what had happened with the greys was, the early abduction literature
was filled with horror stories about how they were abducting people
in the middle of the night, performing gynecological and neurological
experiments, and, and procedures, and ?

art bell: are they?

dr brown: well -- in a way, but the reality is, we now know the whole
picture. you see, back when we first got introduced to greys, back in
1947 when in fact, the roswell thing did occur, we sent people there
under totally blind conditions regularly because it's such an
interesting target - there really was a crash. even now, we (the
farsight institute) occasionally target the wreckage, where the
remaining parts are, what laboratories the parts are and things like
that. the point is, back in 1947 when we first found out as a
government about the greys, the government was put between a rock and
a hard place. what could the military tell president truman and all
the other presidents afterwards? they could say, "well look mr.
president, you can tell people on the radio or on television that the
ets are here. they have extraordinarily advanced technology.
basically we're defenseless. and that they may be doing some things
to our citizens that our citizens may not particularly like. oh and
by the way mr. president, the only other thing you could tell them is
that everyone can panic at their own discretion." and every president
since truman has said the same thing: "i'm not going on the air with
that. you've gotta give me something better, there's got to be some
hope at the end of this tunnel". one of the main reasons for cosmic
voyage is to give the other end of the picture, to give the
information that was lacking back in 1947, so we now know that in
fact we're not being invaded by hostile species - if anything the
greys are, are as helpful to us as they were to the martians, they're
the cavalry, the rescue corps, but the reality is, the greys are an
extremely interesting, extremely benign and helpful species.

now let me explain. they had a lot of, lot of bad press. and the
reason is, because they're so different from us. let's go back. the
greys, unlike the martians, destroyed their own homeworld. it wasn't
an interplanetary holocaust that was not of their own making - they
were very similar to us, except they did not have the limitations
that we have, they were completely telepathically aware, even back
then, but, they were very similar to us in that they were burning
themselves off their own home planet. they basically killed their own
planet through wanton abuse of their environment, greed, selfishness,
the works. and what happened is, they had to go underground in order
to survive. not too dissimilar to what we're gonna be facing in a
hundred years -- actually less than that, about eighty -- but, the
point is, they had to go underground, and when they went underground,
as a matter of survival, they had a collective nervous breakdown.
they had started fiddling with their genes. "well, it'd be nicer if
we were a little shorter, because it's hard to walk around in these
tunnels. it'd be nicer if we had larger eyes, there's not that much
light down here. and then they started to saying well, you know, as
smaller beings it's harder to give birth, we might as well start
raising our fetuses in tubes, in large canisters". and then they
started to say, "well look, we're getting good at this genetics
manipulation stuff, why don't we solve the problem in the first
place? why don't we get rid of the rampant emotions, the greed that
we have and everything else that drove us to this stuff?"

and then they did the following: you know when you have a happy
experience? you have happy molecules that are created
electrochemically in your brain. when you have an unhappy experience,
you have unhappy molecules that are created. that's why a mood takes
a little while to dissipate, because the molecules are still hanging
around. and the greys said, "let's change our brains, genetically, so
that we have only the one electrochemical response to any stimulus
that we get. and we'll try to advance spiritually." they were self-
realized, in the sense they knew they were composite beings. "we'll
try to advance in the spiritual realm, and we'll get rid of all the
anger, all the hostility, everything" -- they even got rid of love.
on the electrochemical level. and what they have is basically a
society that's not that different from spock. electrochemical brains
that produce only one benign response to anything that happens to
them, and they evolved spiritually, tremendously -- but they realized
eventually they were in a cul-de-sac, a dead end. the reason for
being composite beings, physical as well as sub-space, was so that
they could experience something in the physical realm. and then, they
realized that unless they had more emotional flexibility in their
minds, they couldn't be like some of the very great beings that they
discovered out in the realm. they needed to experience more. yet they
were terrified of going back to their own past. they were terrified
of their own past genetics. because that's what led them into that
problem, that collective nervous breakdown, in the first place. they
went to the galactic federation. all of this is explained in detail,
point by point, in the book cosmic voyage.

and they went to the galactic federation. they had served as
outstanding members of the federation for many projects, including
rescuing the martians, for a long time, and they eventually, finally,
submitted, like going for a national science foundation grant, they
submitted their own application, for help in a genetic uplift project
for themselves. and they picked our planet, earth, because a
tremendous variety in genetic variation on this planet. and they
applied to the galactic federation and said, may we have permission
to go there and use the gene pool? they were awarded the grant. they
were given permission. and then, they got here. you have to
understand, we were alive before we were physical bodies. they go
around - we've witnessed this countless times - they go around and
people, human beings, or pre-human beings, volunteer. and the greys
ask for permission. and the people volunteer and say, "when i am a
physical human being, i am willingly going to participate in this so-
called abduction phenomenon so that you can get some of the genes to
help uplift the species.

by the way, i have to say, the project works. it is one of the most
beautiful transformations of a species that anybody has witnessed,
ever, and the point is, many humans volunteered before they were
human, knowing full well that when they did become human, because of
the limitations that we have self-imposed on ourselves with regard to
our own genetics, that we would not remember the experience. and when
you actually have an abduction experience, you don't remember that in
fact you gave permission. but the greys are almost comical in the way
that they ask permission for everything, and so the point is, that
when we remote-view, say, a woman being abducted, being transported
up to a grey ship, having gynecological procedures going on and
fetuses going in and out and so on, on the surface level if you put a
meter up to her electrochemical brain it would break the meter,
panic, chaos, horror, everything. but then the remote viewer can go
deeper - and we have, many times, you go into the subspace component -
you find ecstasy, the reason-for-existence, the fulfillment of
purpose, and it doesn't make sense! and then the remote viewer has to
travel back in time, before the person was born, and you find a fully
sentient being saying, "i participated".

art bell: doctor, i wanna ask you, where are the greys from?

dr brown: they're from another planet. they're clearly not future
humans. they're from another star system in our galaxy. we're not
dealing with galaxies that are far away. by the way, we must
understand something that's very exciting. one of the remote viewing
sessions indicated that when we got to the galactic federation
headquarters, we actually had an interview, uh, we have gotten it to
the point where we actually, with telepathically-capable beings, you
actually can get information backward and forward. when you're doing
remote viewing, what we've found out was that there, is that the
galactic federation actually needs us - we're not just kids coming
out of the daycare camp, there's actually a role for us to play. the
galactic federation is not spread throughout the entire galaxy, and
it's literally like the star trek series, the federation is
expanding, and there's, literally a lot to explore.

art bell: what you seem to suggest though is that genetically,
without tampering, without changing genetically a race, any race,
really, is ultimately doomed.

dr brown: well no, no, no. nothing, nothing, ever, stays constant. so
in that sense, everything is doomed. the point is, evolution is the
only name of the game in town. there's no other game. the reason that
the greys are different from humans is that some beings prefer the
grey experience to existence over the human experience of existence.
and we choose to enter the human realm and to participate in this
human realm for a while until we get tired of it and move on, but the
difference is, is that there is endless variation to existence, and
some experiences are different than others. and the greys experience
life differently than us. now, i'm a very controlled remote viewer,
in the sense that i'm fully professional, and in a remote viewing
session, i never 'lose it' - any emotions i get are clearly put in
the right spot and they don't affect what i'm doing. but twice, i
almost lost it. let me tell you about those two experiences.

the first, was when i remote-viewed the future greys - the result of
this genetic project. the greys found they needed a new experience, a
different experience. they didn't want their old genetics, they
wanted something brand new, they wanted part of our genes. they don't
want the whole thing - they consider us a dysfunctional species in
some regards. we're aggressive, we're territorial, we fight, look at
our divorce rate, look at how we treat kids or homeless people. well,
they don't want our aggression, our hate, our anger, our fear, our
territoriality, they don't want that. but, they do want the love, the
nurturing, the caring, all the good things. and so those are the
genes that produce those type of electrochemical responses for love,
caring, nurturing, things like that, that they're splicing in, slowly
but surely, into their own genetic framework. and when we have remote
viewed the future of the greys, when you go to their planet, the
planet where they take this race, what we see literally is our
grandchildren, our offspringn - they're half us. and when you go to
this planet and look at them, and do a mind probe and perceive them,
it's just one of the most beautiful things anyone could ever see. you
know we've also remote viewed famous personalities, like jesus,
buddha, things like that -- why not? they lived at one time, they --
so you can remote view them at any time. and the jesus personality is
a very interesting personality. when i remote viewed the greys, the
big difference between the personality of jesus and the personality
of the greys was that jesus had more of a command structure, more of
a command personality, more of a sort of an authority -- very
pleasant, but you have to experience it, the words don't do it
justice. but jesus is a very beautiful personality to remote view -
we send trainees there from time to time, and he's been very
cooperative under completely blind situations. but, with the greys,
you get all the love, all the nurturing, all the caring, none of the
hostility, they're like the types of people you want next door, the
ones who always have a cup of sugar when you need it.

and now the second time, that i almost lost it in a remote viewing
session, the emotions were so overwhelming. it was when i remote
viewed the martian flotilla, leaving mars, finally, the day of exodus
when they leave their prison planet and come here, that flotilla --
it almost chokes me up when i just think about it -- but, the
emotions of those people, the euphoria, of coming, to the promised
land, earth, coming out of their imprisonment to the promised land,
the emotions inside that flotilla when it comes in our not distant
future, is just one of the most remarkable states of emotional
awareness that has ever been experienced by anybody. they're happy to
come here.

art bell: ok. since time is short, i wanna ask -- i've had graham
hancock and richard hoagland on my program, and countless others, who
would tend to verify a great deal of what you're saying. so i've got
to ask you, about the pyramids on mars, the face on mars, and what we
have at giza, and how it relates to what you've been telling us, if
it does.

dr brown: well, the martian cydonia complex, where the pyramid is, as
well as the face and so on, those are clearly the ruins of an ancient
martian city. we send people there all the time, it's one of our
favorite spots to send people, because it's such a clear target. we
send them back in time to the time when that place was actually
active, and in fact you see people running around, people doing
things, you can actually see the city in dismay when a volcano erupts
nearby.

it's like pompeii when the volcano goes by, but also when the
climactic problems start to occur, you see the destruction of the
city, because they didn't have a high technology back in those days.
and so they were really, terribly affected. and so that's clearly the
remnants of a city. so what richard hoagland and others have been
saying about those being ruins is true. those are ruins. and that's
very near-term, you're not gonna have to wait for your kids and
grandkids to know that, you'll know that in your own lifetime. now
the other thing is, mars and egypt, you know, seem very, very
parallel, because we indeed have a sphinx, we have pyramids and so
on, and we have to remember that the word cairo, the root to the word
cairo, in arabic, is mars, that's the root of the word. and there was
a tremendous parallel in culture between the egyptians three thousand
years ago and the ancient martians that were destroyed. there may be
a very specific link between mars and the ancient egyptian culture. i
don't know that link - we're trying to get more remote viewers to
solve so many of these problems, but the there are enough
coincidental similarities to make me think that it's certainly worth
a very good look, because the word cairo means mars, the pyramids,
the face, the same type of stuff, the same ruins ?

art bell: so these will be targets.

dr brown: yeah, but something like that has to be resolved in a
project, and a project means a whole bunch of remote viewers remote
viewing something under tightly controlled conditions -- and you're
dealing with professionals at this point, not just trainees. trainees
have experiences and we publicize that, and we put them up on the
net, but many of these projects require professionals working -- and
we're getting that way. let me tell you that there are many people in
our professionalization program, after taking the farsight voyager,
the first intensive one week course, there are many people that have
stayed with it and are going onto the professionalization program.
everybody that takes the course, so far, absolutely every single
person has had very clear remote viewing results, but the point is,
we want many of those people to go on and become professionals, and
as many as are intuitively driven, or drawn, we want them to become
teachers, we want them to become better than the best ever were, we
want them to be better than myself. every generation of remote
viewers is gonna be better than the past generation. so we're trying
to get this institute expanded as much as possible. we know that the
future of the institute is very bright, because, we know that the
things that are already out in the press, cosmic voyage, things like
that, those are things that are just on the very near horizon for
being verified. you know the one thing is, we have known the remote
viewing results for a long time. the laboratories have had solid
evidence of remote viewing being an operational capability for three
decades. but it's not made a dent on the planetary population.
scientists and others have been able to just simply disregard it, and
say it's just not relevant, or just plain say it didn't happen, like
just to ignore it, but the reason cosmic voyage is so important as a
book, is it raises the stakes phenomenally, because it's no longer a
parlor trick. now, remote viewing, a demonstration of who we are as
composite beings, remote viewing is now used to say something before
it actually occurs, and when the actual et stuff really hits, in the
very near future when we really all are, the planet talking about our
interplanetary neighbors, then everybody will say, wow, remote
viewing really isn't a parlor trick, consciousness really matters,
this stuff was all known and published in advance of it actually
occurring -- that means that the understanding of who we are as
beings, the nature of our soul, leaves the realm of idlers and enters
the realm of the mainstream, and that is one of the most exciting
planetary changes that we're going to be seeing.

jason w
10-27-2001, 02:06 AM
hi seth,

i couldn't agree more about the truth coming out and it's
overwhelmingly positive effects on human global consciousness. i also
have been thinking abou the fact that the secrets will not be so
secret as we move forward whether they tell us or not due to our
developing psychic/rv capabilities as we move into a more "energetic
area of space". i have heard that our pineal gland, the 3d complement
to the 4d third eye, will "reactivate" as the energies increase, so
the ability to deceive and hide from the public will literally become
an impossibility as the years progress. i can't imagine they guys
sitting on top of all the information don't know this is happening.
if i were them, the sooner it gets out, the less likely heads will
roll. 2003 for disclosure sounds like a good target year to me to.

oh, i saw the footage of the lockheed/martin folks on tv today when
the pentagon announced they got the contract for a new fighter jet.
they all jumped up, cheered etc. so excited about building more
weapons? it was so creepy to watch, especially knowing how much
lockheed/martin has been involved in hiding and building the et
technologies. they better prepare to deal with their role in this
coverup as should everyone else involved. i dont know how anyone else
feels about it, but i am personally offended and expect that once
it's all public, there will be significant fallout for all parties
involved. i dont agree with those who think they are justified in
hiding it from us all these years. like dr. greer, i too feel they
have "hijaked" our future for over 50 years. that's not something
that is forgotten because they finally come clean. every day they put
off disclosing, in light of recent events especially, i'd imagine the
publics' (who know the score) frustration is only growing. at this
point...the sooner disclosure occurs, the better for all parties
involved. ill even suggest mid to late 2002 for things
to really begin spilling out. let's see if nasa releases the data
from the current mission in progress which will prove the face on
mars is an artificial structure. i expect that it will be possible to
release the data by december/january, but whether they do or not is a
whole other story, just like when the information about the sunken
city off of cuba is announced. to me all of that should come out
first to open minds up..and after some time of digesting that
atlantis was real and that a civilization once lived on mars, then it
would be time for ufo disclosure. what do i know...the "secret govt"
obviously have their own agenda. although i doubt its one that has
our best interests in mind. time will tell as always.


jason

neuromancing@...
10-27-2001, 02:39 AM
<font face="arial,helvetica"><font size="2" family="sansserif" face="arial" lang="0">mawk's comments;

"remote viewing from my experience and my

teachers just does not work like that. you have to work really hard to get

the initial gestalt and then after that you after watch out for analytical

overlay (letting the conscious mind paint its own picture). in his books he

brushes over this and you have to remember that all these targets were

unverifiable."



well said, oh wise one.

(at risk of being a wet blanket here)

the key word above is "unverifiable".

remote viewing is for, was designed for verifiable applications.

to qualify for the action of rv to have occurred there needs to be verifiable feedback.

rv has become an uneducated, undefined catch all term encompassing all sort and types(origions) of channelers, clairvoyants, lucid dreams to oobers, a wide variation of altered states..
to remote view you need to be trained, it is not a "natural occurrence" (spontaneously naturally occurring event that all of a sudden happens), which entails being trained in a rather dry and unexciting set of rigorously, scientifically tested and approved protocols and method, crv or erv. you (viewer) would also need to be blind to the target, you would also need a (blind)monitor during sessions, you would also need a (blind)tasker.

rv is a disciplined, controlled form of psychic work, application.

re: brown and .. i dunno, personal flights of fancy or fantasy, sorry but that is not rv, not until there is verifiable feedback, that we can all see and realize (real eyes), and that applies for and to all remote viewers everywhere no matter the background or caliber.

browns teacher was dames, sometimes known as dr.doom, and his... conglomerate of embarrassingly(imo) public predictions, well putting it mildly.. have never come to pass nor materialize, but go ahead and make me wrong, but i'm not holding my breath.
moorehouse was courtmartialed, this sobering event does not occur unfounded nor unnecessarily, they tend to be a/of serious issue, nor do they lay(lie) in existence to fuel conspiracy theories.



at risk of drowning myself with the wet blanket..
this bit below is from w. buhlman, a man who's experience, comments, writings, books i admire, respect (he's remained nicely level headed, grounded) .. and i can often personally identify with what he says.. but then again all in the eye of the beholder and always to each his own, or as i sometimes say, true visions of false reality..





a snippet from a william buhlman interview, also linked below.
"</font><font color="#000000" size="2" family="sansserif" face="trebuchet ms" lang="0">what struck me after reading all these letters was that if you took the word "abduction" out of the letter and you put it side by side with an obe letter, the two would read almost identically every time."

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click here: cfree: contact: abduction: articles: interview with william buhlman (http://www.cfree.org/contact/abduction/articles/art023.html)



anyway on with the show..

and if allowed, i'll just happily continue to observe from the side lines.



~t~ .. aka terri.. often times known as matrix in rv land, and not totally inexperienced, in years past.. i have enjoyed 3 monroe programs, gateway, lifelines and the x27, and then was trained in extended remote viewing via the us govt protocols via an instructor that was actually of the good old usofa govt star gate(center lane, scanate, grillflame etc) rvunit, and am a personal friend of robert bruce (astral dynamics, astral pulse (http://www.astraldynamics.com/) ). and i highly recommend lucidbirds astral trance cd to trigger the oobe .. bird's lucid dreaming website - from lucid dream to lucid dreams (http://mamma56.mamma.com/search?evid=ce002333731d&eng=msn&cb=mamma&dest=http%3a%2f%2fhometown.aol.com%2fvandekeere%2f life1%2findex.html&engid=599&af=0&qtype=0&qw=lucid+bird&idx=1)


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Mawk
10-27-2001, 04:03 AM
hi seth & jason,

i too have red both of dr courtney browns books as well as david moorehouses
"psychic warrior" and several of joe mcmoneagles books. the psychic
battlefield by w. adam mandelbaum is also worth a look at. i have also done
around 50 targets myself. what i would say from my experience is that the
brown books are a bit glossed up. remote viewing from my experience and my
teachers just does not work like that. you have to work really hard to get
the initial gestalt and then after that you after watch out for analytical
overlay (letting the conscious mind paint its own picture). in his books he
brushes over this and you have to remember that all these targets were
unverifiable.

do not get me wrong, i think his books are great for inspiring people to
look into this area but do not think that you will be able to have a chat
with a grey or buddha or jc himself. it just does not work that way. joe's
books i think present the best perspective and he is considered one of the
best. of course i may be wrong but i am basing my opinion on three years of
research and over a year of practice on what i say. i hope i am wrong
because i would love to have a chat with jc and buddha:-)

another of my envelope targets (all done blind, target unknown till after
the session) was the dakini. in buddhist mythology the dakini are their
skygodesses. what i got from the session was an angelic female entity. she
seemed to take me by the hand and lead me through a huge door. i was
overwhelmed by the strength of her energy and fell asleep. that was it. i
had no clue about the buddhist aspect to this target but i did know that
this entity was female and very powerful in terms of energy. in fact it has
led me to believe that gods and goddesses attributed to a particular
religion may be one and the same it is just how we construct them with our
conscious mind.

as far as greys are concerned there is no doubt in my mind they exist. i had
a string of nightmares when i was about 5 or 6 years old in the late 60's
that featured greys. way before, to my knowledge, there was any public
speculation about them. i also came across them in one of my envelope
targets but to give you the details on that i think would be irresponsible
for two reasons 1. i still consider myself a novice rver and 2. the target
is unverifiable.

actually i virtually stopped dreaming or more to the point recalling dreams
for 30 years as a result of those nightmares. it was not till i rationalised
in my mind that it was me that was creating the fear that i started having
dream recall again. lets face it, if these guys could come from unknown
light years away they would not have much problem taking us over. clearly
this is not there agenda. some one who i have corresponded with has spent
many years doing hypnotic regressions with abductees. she also toured with
dr ted mack and uri geller. she assures me that all abductees had agreed to
this on a soul level prior to incarnating. i do not know if this is true or
not but it does make sense given you accept all of the above. this also ties
in with some of brown's work.

any way just some of my thoughts and experience that i hope are helpful.

cheers,

mawk

sol72us@...
11-07-2001, 11:32 AM
i stumbled across a copy of courtney brown's "cosmic
voyage"(penguin,1996)in the free book box outside the
library. thanks go to the generous donor.

as a young kid in the '70's i surrendered to the
existence of extraterrestrial life after becoming
saddened by the realization that they didn't want
anything to do with us because we are so self-centered.
courtney affirmed this in his book. i now realize that
the reason may clearly be a "been there, done that"
phenomena which has precipitated their current
circumstance. in recognition of this, avoidance of
people operating in "service to self" mode is
understandable.

courtney also emphasized the pitfalls of greed, being
to love as oil is to water. if you consider that greed
is simply "fear of lack", then here is another example
of love/fear polarity that we are contending with.
fundamentally, our involvement in war as a means to
liberate us from recession could be considered as
stemming from greed, which causes lack of spending.

in my attempts to empathize with our emerging
extraterrestrial friends, i consider their plight as
that of nomads carrying treasure: after years of
suffering in the desert, they come upon shangri-la only
to find that the ferocious tiger growls emanating from
it paralyze them from entering and synergistically
interacting. their plight is one of separation,
exemplified by their secrecy and obscurity. in the
context of the "star tetrahedron of david", you can
imagine them operating in a discordant mode of truth-
understanding-fear. their challenge is to shift to a
harmonious triad involving love and/or openness.

our challenge is to shift our mode from polar opposites
like love-fear to a harmonious triads without fear.
evolutionary we may have advantages that they could
benefit from and vice versus. indeed a win-win
possibility of synergistic evolution is upon us, and
the path is "service to others."

in this spirit, we need to identify ways to help our
emerging extraterrestrial friends. they need help
bridging from fear to love/openness so that they can
more synergistically contribute and benefit from this
harmonious state.

presently their existence is not accepted by the
mainstream. one of the hurdles is overcoming public
hysteria and associated fear of the unknown.
as such, opportunities for them to physically
demonstrate their goodwill need to be identified and
conveyed to them. these demonstrations need to leave
undeniable physical evidence and also serve some helpful
purpose. emphasis needs to be placed on their helpful
nature from the start. unified by vulnerability,
we are fighting the same foe, fear.

the act of fostering their favorable mainstream
acceptance facilitates their need of transcending
their plight of separateness.

pat

kristogood@...
11-12-2001, 01:18 AM
hello,

i am new to this group, and was kind of waiting for a subject to come
up so that i could introduce myself and perhaps join the discussion.
i am very excited that a group of this sort exists, as i only very
recently "awoke" to my identity as a wanderer...and i have much to
learn. it seems i would have an easier time networking if i lived in
san francisco or even santa fe, but i am in long beach (in los
angeles county). however, i may relocate to salt lake city soon.
(does anyone know of any et support or educational groups in salt
lake or long beach?)

anyway, due perhaps to mechanisms of synchronicity, i had been
thinking about posting some questions regarding dr. courtney brown
and the greys. so, i was very thrilled to see that pat read brown's
book "cosmic voyage" (1996), and had posted some thoughts about it.
i agree with pat's statements regarding the need for public awareness
about and acceptance of the greys. i wonder if the greys could be
considered a group of beings who changed its path from the "service-
to-self" path to the "service-to-others" path at some point in time.
if so, i wonder at what dimensional level they were at when they made
this shift? and at what dimension are they currently? (i know, this
question becomes complicated given that brown states that there are
three sets of greys called--if i can remember correctly--
"primitive," "modern," and "advanced".) it seems that some
people/wanderers may feel that the greys are a negative et group
since they reportedly abduct humans against their will to conduct
experiments that are terribly traumatic to the subjects. however, i
believe brown reports that on an unconscious (subspace or "soul")
level, at least one of the abductees not only consented to her
abduction, but was actually thrilled to be part of this "work"
or "project."

so i'm just wondering if the greys are/were a postive or negative et
group. i wonder what dr. mandelker's or david wilcock's response
would be. dr. courtney brown makes a strong case that at least
the "advanced" greys have decided to merge with god (a positive
path).

i also wanted to ask the group: has anyone ever tried to learn
scientific remote viewing through the website of the farsight
institute (courtney brown is the director of the institute)? i am
about 2/3 of the way through the online course, and wanted to compare
notes with someone who has experience with this method (or with any
method) of rv.

i would love to hear anyone's thoughts about the greys as well.

thanks again to the creator of this group!


blessings,

--kris goodwill


ps--thanks, pat, for your message. it was too cool to see the
subject of the message, containing the phrase "dr. courtney brown and
the greys" when i had already written (prior to reading your
message) "what about scientific remote viewing, courtney brown, and
the greys?" as a question i wanted to ask!

sol72us@...
11-14-2001, 09:22 PM
hi kris,
welcome to the group.
thanks for your post and your interest.
i'm no expert on ets, i don't remote view,
nor do i meditate with any sort of convention.
maybe you could give us some tips.
i ran across an article derived from drunvalo melchizedek,
that talked a little bit about the problems the greys have.
maybe there is a glint of truth here. below is the link.
peace,
pat

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/drunfris.html


--- in asc2k@y..., kristogood@a... wrote:
>
> blessings,
>
> --kris goodwill
>
>
> ps--thanks, pat, for your message.