What should I do?

[vexstar]

this event runs a little deeper then just feeling i ripped off the gas company and put the attendant's job on the line. since being the last one to be employed at the company at which i work, i take out the trash. dah!!! well, about three weeks ago i was about to take a trash pail from the loading dock and take it to the dumpster. as i looked up i saw ray, he is a 72 year old electrical genious sorting through the garbage. he said to me, "do you like baseball?" i asked why and he handed me two envelopes which he found in the garbage. they contained a signed lithograph which had mrs. babe ruth's signature on it and a signed sports illustrated cover signed by johnny bench and a signed lithograph of brooks robinson. i knew what i had at the moment, but i snatched them anyway and placed them securely in my truck. when i got home i found even more treasure. included in these envelopes was a telegram from the mayor of baltimore to babe ruth stating that a limo would pick him and his wife claire up for that evening's game and he wanted to know if the invitation to the game included his wife as well. on the front of this telegram are the words babe wrote to his wife about the mayor picking them up in a limo. on the back of this telegram are hand written words by babe, that i am sure i've heard him say in a sound bite or two. even just as incredible is a death benifit reciept paid to mrs. claire ruth, with the original envelope and post mark from 1952. my quandry is; for at least the past three weeks i have not known what to do with these treasures. i asked my neighbor dale and he said, "ureeka!!! those are yours because they would be in a landfill if you didn't have them." i have been showing them off and some friends and relatives have said, buy that car you need. i on the other hand have not even taken them to collecters in order to come up with a true monitary value for them. i am in a quandry. i lean towards returning them to my boss', husband and wife, just so i can show them what a wonderful guy i am. on the other hand, for the past three weeks i have imagined what they are worth, but never got them apppraised. i need a car and especially dental work, before this one bad tooth i have causes me extreme pain in the future. so i have decided to let the group consciousness determine what i do. short sweet and simple, i need your opinions.
no joke!!!

now the goose bumps are everests, i just opened my home page of myway.com and this is what it states:

your fortune for today...
look for beauty in your trash.

my horoscope for the day!

scorpio

you could be all worked up now about the injustice of your role in the world, knowing exactly what the best course of action would be to change things for the better. but the present moment has a convincing quality to it, making it difficult to alter the current course of events. don't confuse intensity with the need to make an important decision now. wait for more clarity and logic.

[daresh]

hi billy,

well you have a great opportunity to be of service with that which you have. so the question you can ask yourself is how can you be of service to others on the best way with this. this really doesn't exclude you doing your dental work and getting yourself a car, they can be essential in being of service to others. it's for some reason dw payed 9000 grand for his theeth :) one of which is the lack of health care and social security in the usa :) but that's another story.
but maybe the first thing you need to do is getting a good estimation of the value of that which you have, on this way you can see the possibilities you have before you...

peace,
Unknown

[pyramidnj]

billy, i have had similar situations though none having the potential value of what came to you. beyond all other considerations, ask yourself what would you do if this were a spiritual "test" that the gang on high loves to give us in the hopes that we succeed with flying colors and just keep on rising!

i encourage you to go to your center of "feeling" and just imagine yourself going through the actions of what might be your predominant choice/option and then see how you "feel" -- what is the difference between feelings when visualizing returning the items to their supposed rightful owner and feelings experienced when selling it for $50,000 and getting a few more things than just your teeth fixed. :d be sure to surround yourself in a triple capsule of golden white light to ensure purity of space without unwanted interference when doing this. let the feeling that is most in harmony with who you define yourself to be emerge to guide your actions....and enjoy the ride!

much love,
jo anne

[David Wilcock]

i had a situation similar to this when i was working at cavalier hotel and found a diamond on the floor behind the register, after a bat mitzvah the previous night in which 2-3 different women insisted on coming behind the register with me to make phone calls rather than have it handed to them across the counter.

i returned the diamond to the hotel lost and found, knowing that one of them might call, having lost it - even though i desperately needed money at the time. dreams and readings later confirmed this was the proper decision.

in a case like this i would get an appraisal of how much it's really worth first. it may not be anywhere near as much as you think - perhaps 1000 bucks at the most, if not less. or, it could be a lot more, but you don't have the information.

then, i would explain the situation to the people who threw it away, and offer to do all the work of making the transaction.

let them decide what is fair. if you come to them saying you can get 10k, they might be content to give you 9 and take 10 percent - whereas if you already go in saying you'll do 50-50, then you may have needlessly given up leverage in the negotiation.

i would say any cut bigger than 50 percent on their part, if they ask for it, is well worth the money, because then you learned something about their character and the status of your friendship. that may be the cosmic point.

it's also possible that if they're well off they might not ask for a cut at all. this is really a barometer to find out what they're all about once you put it back in their hands. just remove the ambiguity around it before speaking to them by getting a real, solid estimate. you don't want wild speculation getting in the way - if they need money and think 10k is coming in and it's only worth 750, the whole game changes.

just my 2 cents after extensive contact with the negotiations that are common practice in hollywood, coupled with a perspective that honors the most important principle in the law of one philosophy - the preservation of the free will of others.

- david

[MarkM]

before you make a decision, billy, i would suggest that you put yourself in the hypothetical position of having lost your own great treasure and try to feel what you would like the finder to do with it.

but as you are the finder in this case, perhaps try asking yourself which course of action would best exemplify 'unconditional love'. do your personal needs eclipse love of others as self?

as you have legitimate questions regarding the rightness of keeping this treasure despite suspecting that you know who might possibly have inadvertantly lost it, perhaps you could view this as a test set up by your own higher self to give you the opportunity to balance some of your own karma. do you think this is possible?

[nem338nem]

first, attach yourself to matter,that is what you get, it is false in nature. it means nothing. true value is the essence of the heart from which it sprang. a simple thought is made into matter. the value of something is letting go of what you percieve as matter. ethics, which has to do with the heart, has nothing to do with matter, a diamond a gem a value of anything is not. let them all take their money and worship it as if were a god. then you will learn why the last great teacher taught us to do away with the temples that worship money and own people, enslave them, and control them as negative 5-d are attempmting now. weather it was a pebble, a diamond, a piece of sand or what not, if you had no eyes would you know the difference of the value or the truth in your own heart? it is an illusion. it matters not! it is what is created in the heart.

i am all for intention and abundance if used correctly (unselfishily). if not, i care not about your appraisal, value and worth. you are no greater than they that desire riches, not of the heart but of the 3-d (from the 2-d) animal instinct of control/tribal/iconic god of religion. there is no substance to which you refer. these days are fastly fading.

value = heart = love = freedom

no charge at the gate!
nelson

[vexstar]

i so intently have been waiting for a response and guidence for my delema. david, oh if you only knew what your direct response to me has meant. as does the others. i am overwelmed with emotion, especially sinse the wind has picked up and the rain has come. it is silent now. i must confess that my ever growing need to return these finds to their rightful owners has very well out weighed my desire for any kind of monetary gain. i, in posting my delema have been hoping to be dissuaded from returning them. i thought that perhaps if i put it in the terms of proving what a great guy i was, then perhaps it would cause others to think that perhaps i was not such a great guy, because my first instinct was not to simply return these items. i see that as folly now. i, in all divine love, could never part with these great treasures for my own gain. keeping them was more of a reality then selling them. but every fiber of my being had already conceded to the fact that i would in fact return them. i was hoping a judgement would be made as to sway me towards gaining from them, but i see that, that could never happen in such a community of enlightened beings. i certainly believe i am not jumping the gun and posting my desire to return them. but regardless of having to count the votes, for and against, i have become most comfortable in envisioning myself entering my boss' office with them in hand, verses trying to explain to a collecter how i came to have them in my pocession and the lies i might be very convincing in telling him.

may the divine love i have been blessed with, bless all who have endured any quandries of this 3d existence.

[MarkM]

billy, it looks like you have indeed found beauty in your trash!:)

[Ceara]

if those were in my possession, i would turn them over to the baseball hall of fame, where they could be kept safe, yet everyone would be able to enjoy the collection. nice chunk of history there.

but before doing that, i would ask around to see if anyone has lost something. then ask lots and lots of questions as to the contents of the collection.

that sort of thing shouldn't be stashed away in some private area and not seen, in my opinion.

i'm scorpio too. :)

[vexstar]

what!!! no bids? lol

just joking, trying to lighten up from the weight of this.

[Divine Cosmopolitan]

if the actual owner is not greatfull and just expects them back for free, he could just report them stolen and then direct the police to you. im sure people could back him up as being the rightfull owner of these things. he may have even had them appraised already.

if he threw them out by mistake that would be a tough thing to just hang over his head like that, like ransom or something.

[Robert Riedel]

so, billy-

ya never answered the question: "do you like baseball?"

indeed, that is the ultimate question here. and, caera has nailed it down- the stuff belongs in cooperstown, so...

get it together with your boss guy, contact the museum, get a value attached to it, tell 'em your story, make the donation, take a huge write off on your taxes, and be a hero to millions of baseball fans!

that would be the right thing to do, in my humble opinion...

bob

so, who's on first???

[Divine Cosmopolitan]

oh yea, why didnt ray keep this stuff for himself? is he that clueless that he didnt see any value in these things at all?

what percentage of the sale would you give to him??

:confused:

[charran]

billy,

these baseball cards could be:
(1) lost
(2) unintentionally thrown away
(3) simply discarded by someone who didn't know the value of the cards
(4) discarded intentially (even perhaps by the guy who handed them to you)

i would say to monitor your dreams closely in the next few days.
simply collect as much information about the cards as possible.
don't react but rather be proactive and take some time in thinking this out with heart, mind, and soul. synchronicity is bound to happen in your life on this one i'm so sure of it. you'll soon figure out how the deck is stacked (pun intended) and what category i listed above the cards fall under.

charran

[vexstar]

robert,

nice to really commuinicate with you. yes i do love baseball and their collectables. from the year of 1986 till 1992, collected over 50,000 cards, balls and autographs. i hand collated over 35 complete sets and had one shoe box with about $3,500 worth of of high money cards, to me that was $10 up to about $320 a card at that time. due to circumstances, that box was lost and the remaining cards were lost in a fire along with my friend rita, in a seperate incident. the cards remained stored in her house after i moved out.

as for ray, yes i could see where value of these items certainly would get by him. as i said he is a 73 year old electical genius and his world is limited to his work and his wife. he only looked at the black and white sketch of babe ruth, i actually showed him the johnny bench autograph, but it drew no reaction from him and since it was in the trash, he figured i may want it. when i was hired, everyone warned me of the crotchety old man and to do things his way or else. well from the day we met we have been like brothers and he has actually hugged me and said he was glad he lived to meet me, is always watching my back. as i think i stated, ray has never been anywhere near me or the trash barrels as i take them out. *this was the one an only time he has ever gone through the trash, in the three months i have worked there. it evidently never even crossed his mind that i may have stolen them. i just realized that. wow!

i certainly have considered a baseball museum, guess i just don't seem to want to work at just parting with them. sure if this were a perfect world and i knew that they would be on display for future generations to see, then i might do that. but as we know, anything material in this world is going to be around for only a very short time. seems like a waste of a good delema.

i must tell you that i have posted this delema on another site and perhaps the most spiritual person on the boards i know of, tells me, mistake or not they are mine and they were passed to me in such an obviously *divine manner that i should do what i want with them. since they really would be landfill by now and will soon not even be that.

as i really have thought about it and mentioned, i really do envision myself walking up to richard and maryann and say, "guess you really haven't missed these, but i can't keep them. hope you don't think ill of me for keeping them the moment i saw what they were."

so anyway, i have them for now, for safe keeping and i just may need them for a rainy day. so as of now, no real pressure to feel guilt or greed, just a sense of being close to the babe and his story.

robert, that was a very good point. did i answer yes, because i just wanted treasure or did i really have a connection? as for ray getting a cut, he'd never take it and no matter what the final outcome is, he will be left out of it. because if i do return them to my bosses, i would never let them know ray just passed this stuff to me. they might think he was suffering from an old timers disease.

;)

[soup]

...if those were in my possession, i would turn them over to the baseball hall of fame...

that's a nice idea. i think i would offer it to the hall of fame before donating some or all, and have them help appraise the fair market value(s). i'd feel reluctant to store such objects, feel they belong to the people in a place that honors history. if the hall of fame doesn't want them, i'd definitely consider another museum or else ebay.

the story of diamonds seems to offer an exaggerated example of how objects can carry historic energies, like the curse of the hope diamond. back when i married, i bought the biggest diamond i could afford about 1/3 carrot vvf quality - remarkably beautiful which she wore for years before losing it. she was devastated at this loss. i didn't care because i lost my gold wedding ring long before, (oops.) she replaced it with a family diamond - came from a marriage that was less then remarkable in my opinion. this may have been the beginning of the end of our marriage in some respect, now that i think of it. i'm very leary of diamonds, more than any other stone.

maybe losing stuff that is cursed can be a good thing in some sense, despite issues of apparent value. alternately, may be the idea of "clearing" items that have been cursed. maybe its about using pyramid power or some other means such as charity.

[Divine Cosmopolitan]

now that i think about it, any person who would gather these things together in an envelope must clearly know the value of them!

they are not yours, they are that persons, find that person and give them back!

if you keep them, thats no different than finding a bank envelope on the ground at the supermarket. it has obvious value, its clearly not yours, and some one sure as hell would love to have it back.

are you going to serve that other person, and give it back?
or will you keep it and serve your self?

and if the universe really wanted you to have them, why are you so reluctant and fearful of even attemptng to find their true owner?

:confused:

think of the karma involved in this whole thing, think of the person who took the time to actually collect this stuff and who would love to have it back.

maybe it is your bosses stuff, maybe its not, but i sense that subconsciously or not, you really dont want your boss to have this stuff because you dont like the fact that he is in a position of power or control over you, and you are mearly the guy who takes out the trash.

[MarkM]

here's what strikes me...

make a pitch in the form of a generally circulated notice within your workplace to the effect of something of value having been found. i may be off base or out in left field in this regard but now you'll catch on to what's really going on.

don't play foul ball here, a player of the game of life should suspect there's a rulebook regarding such dilemmas. perhaps eliminate the worst case scenario, that being that someone is mourning a real loss. if so, why say you should necessarily have any say in what the true owner decides to do with these things?:cool:

[vexstar]

cosmo,

maybe? no maybe about it! you're way off base. i love my bosses as i would an aunt and uncle. i'm trying not to take it personal, but i ain't just the guy who takes out the trash. i'm what you call a utility man and on any team, that is a very important role to fill. the others in the company all value my craftsman's skills and try to be the first to have me assist them for what ever task they need completed, fast, efficiently and done to perfection, in any department of the company.

as you all may very well know, i'm pretty good at puzzles and solutions generally come easy to me with a little focus. well, as i was doing cartwheels in the shower yesterday afternoon something occurred to me, like a mushroom cloud. i think perhaps ray pulled one over on me. i get the sense he brought that envelope to work with him and was anxious all day just waiting for me to take out the trash and as i walked to the dumpster, with my back to the loading dock, he simply walked up and pretended to pull that envelope out of the garbage. the most overwhelming evidence is the fact that he really doesn't know me, and if the sittuation where reversed i'd certainly think the guy who takes out the trash just might be going through offices and stealing stuff by taking it to the dumpster and returning later to collect it. it's been done before and i know it. not a guilty conscious, just guilty of it in the past. if it were on top of the trash i certainly would have noticed it, considering my keen sense of awareness. yet too, that envelope was in perfect condition and showed no evidence of spending any time as trash. let alone the fact that those trash cans are never used by office staff. yup, i also consider the fact that my bosses don't seem to be the type that would have any interest in collecting such material. but ray is quite a bit older and has been involved with the military and law enforcement throughout his life. don't tell anyone but he carries a pistol under his apron and was once the mayor of a small community here in south florida. speaking of dah!

so there you have it. ray gave it to me, he wanted me to have them. he never thought it would cause so much trial and tribulation in my spirit and soul. so today i take that gift and cash it in.

so the guy who just takes out the trash is about to get his due.
judgement is for the pocesser, 9/10ths. of something or another.
fa la la la la la tee da... :rolleyes:

[Falco]

ah the light came on! it was my of my opinion that ray pulled a fast one on you. i hope it works out for you