Philosophical QUestion

[lisa renee]

If we are all one, and made up of one energy, that God is all one, and that all of us make up God, the whole, the one, the universal -- the one being...

ANd we are thoughts of God, according to the Law of ONe, and that God is all there is, and nothing can exsist outside of God... if that's true, and I think it is...

Then isn't God all alone? Sitting alone with us as his only ... amusment ... alone with his thoughts, as we are all in his head?

God must be really lonely, right? -- Wherever he is, he's alone. There is nothing else BUT god.

Havent' you ever felt really really alone, like after a nightmare, or in some other scary situation? I know we're "together", but we are one. We're the same one. That makes us the one and the only. We're alone!

For me, the closer I get to god consciousness, the bigger I feel, the more I feel, the less boundaries I feel, but I also feel more... alone..

[Art]

Lisa -

Before I make a humble attempt at responding, let me say you've worded this question that many of us are having, in light of the "galaxy" issue... :D

My first "suggestion" would be to review the "oneness" thread in this section. Here you will see alot of intellectual discussion over "interpretations" dervied from the LoO.

My personal "interpretation" is based on the phrase "infinite intelligence". There is a very similar "intelligent infinity" also used to describe the One... Imagine that everything you see is essentially a portion of the One and that together, everything "makes up" the One. Gripping with the LoO concept, people usually cannot see themselves as part of "god" (again, refer to the early conversations in the "oneness" thread). On the flip side of that, if All is indeed One, can "god" really be a separate "entity" from everything else? Sounds "paradoxical" to me...

My answer would be no. When one "accepts" the concept of an underlying energy field that permeates all, then we can "correlate" that "field" as "god", and "vibrations" in that field are simply the "will" of "god". Out of vibration comes matter, and so on... (Forgive me for my poor wording, someone else will step up to the plate to answer more effectively).

Let me skip to the point. The "Infinite Intelligence" or One is just that - everything, everywhere and experiencing the Creation. There is NOTHING in this universe that isn't connected to "god", nowhere else for "god" to go, or no "experience" outside of "god".

Skipping to the concept of "Logos" on a "galactic scale", the "god" we may think of actually is a couple levels down the "rung". This is because the "Logos" created our galaxy and solar system. And, in light of all of the breakthroughs in science and knowledge, "old" concepts and understanding about pretty much everything will need "renewed thought" or analysis.

About Ra being "incorrect", I assume that has to do more in general from the channeling process itself. In transcripts I have read a couple of times the "entity" state that they will try their best to communicate "concepts" with the limited "vocabulary" or "knowledge" or "understanding" of the individual channeler. One way of looking at is the name "Milky Way" is of human "origin". I would venture to say there was really no mistake made, simply a misunderstanding based on the "channeling process". (Please someone who knows more about this than I needs to comment here). I look forward to reviewing the Ra material over again to see if there is any mention of "another galaxy", etc.

Lastly, I understand your feelings of "lonlieness", however, I would wish you the best in your journey of growth. Connecting with like minded people is the first step. You are not alone. :D

Art

[Alisima]

God must be really lonely, right? -- Wherever he is, he's alone. There is nothing else BUT god.

Since there is nothing else BUT God, he can't feel lonely.

[pyramidnj]

Lisa Renee, I can understand your query for it is part of the journey on which we all have embarked. :) Nevertheless, IMHO loneliness is a lower dimension experience. The Source of All Being -- The Logos, or even God as humanly understood....both or either would be unimaginably far beyond the lower dimension sentiment of loneliness...it would not even figure into the landscape of that level of being.

Much love!
Jo Anne

[chuckhungerford]

Lisa,

This is my first reply in this forum, and it may be simplistic, but...

If god writes his own script, he can write "lonliness" in or out as he chooses. He is god, after all.

If god is 100% joy, happiness, bliss, etc., how can a fear such as lonliness enter that realm...if he writes it out?

How can we, from our dualistic place, truly comprehend LIFE without duality? The whole point of duality is to recognize and appreciate relationship..."lonliness" to "self-generated joy", or whatever...

"Within" god is the potential for all: Oneness, duality, peace, drama, etc. There is no "without" god. Again, he/you writes the script. The difference between he and the we of this moment is that he can change the script instantly.

When I am god realized, I will still want to play golf, but not from a point of perfection...where would be the drama? The fun?

I hope this helps a little. I know that it helped me shed light on an ongoing, gnawing fear...the boredom of perfection.

So, thanks.
chuck

[chuckhungerford]

Do you have family? Do you write poetry, or novels, paint, garden, woodwork? Tho you may be alone while doing so, are you ever "lonely" while immersed, or surrounded by, your creations?

[pajamabiker]

I had a couple thoughts as I read your post.
1. There is more than just God and us. There are enities on higher planes, call them angles, arch-angles etc. and that is just in our octive. There are octives above this one that we cannot understand.
2. To mis-quote Shakespear,"There are more things under heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophys."
3. In the movie Patton, he says something like "it seems as if looking through a glass and darkly, but always me".
Hope this has helped and not confused.
4. And finally, there is a line in the weekly Red Green tv show, "We're all in this together "

[One 66]

Lisa,

I understand exactly what you mean...

Sad but true.

[alchemikey]

i feel there is a big difference between the words 'alone' and 'lonely' almost to the point that i would consider them opposites

to be alone to me means that one is aware of the one self that permeates the universe, to be alone is to see the creator when you look in the mirror or look anywhere at all, in that sense to be alone is to be so full of one self that the idea of separation does not even exist

to be lonely on the other hand means to me that something must be missing, that being infinite is somehow not enough and that there is a void one is trying to fill with the idea of something other or outside of the self

to simplify to be alone is to feel unified with all that is and to be lonely is to feel separate from all that is

i know the confederation often stresses that we are never alone on our journeys in their messages and yet at the ultimate/octave level of things the one self must be all alone for there can only be one all

i think a key to this is in understanding that we are a creation of complete freedom of will which means to me that not even god knows what we will choose next and so god/the silent witness within us all is forever fascinated by every single thought/choice that each and every focus of its multifaceted self makes...in other words the whole/god/creator evolves along with the evolutionary experiences of its many parts

the aloneness within me honors the aloneness within you,
mikey

[Ceara]

I feel that Source/God/Creation is also learning, reaching out and exploring, uncertain if he/she/it is alone.

[Michelle]

Really good conversation ya'll. I dunno, cannot God be Alone in his/her/its most perfect Song, and feel lonely, too...?

Meaning, we are all fragments of God-ness; Love.., in truth there is no seperateness, but in at least this dimension of "perceived Time", where there is much sadness, children, war, etc... (you get the idea), does not that lonely cry from the heart create love.., in the longing for all of He/She/It to be together? Although it may be only perceived seperateness on one level, it surely serves it's purpose.

Its a Great realization and unmeasureable blessing to find out that one is truly never alone, that Guides and Beings of high intelligence seem to have nothing better to do than to help us through our garbled madness, haha, with supreme unconditional love at all times! But connecting inward to that immense peace and Oneness seems to me to require at least a hearty handful of lonely moments bringing new realization of who, what God Is..,kind of like Kahlil Gibran said it, "A Tear and a Smile".

But, thats on this Plane, and I also perceive on another Plane, all is as it should Be, and all is Light and Love.

And then again, I heard a beautiful song once where the singer asks if Angels ever really cry..? Its a heartjerker.., and an eye opener. One thing is for sure, its all in the doing of it, the living of it, that it becomes whatever its gonna be.., and I pray that the suffering for so many will end soon.

Much love,
michelle

[Art]

I feel that Source/God/Creation is also learning, reaching out and exploring, uncertain if he/she/it is alone.

Yes! If one thinks of "experiencing" as the learning, reaching out, and exploring then "the One" is "experiencing" the many, infinite, "experiences in all creation". From the "top to the bottom". I would agree that there are "other entities" "lower" than god who work to "ensure purpose and order", a heirarchy of sorts. However, since all is "tied in" with the "One" and "All is One", then "the One" experinces everything, every moment. This is "in addition" to "further creation".

My problem with "further creation" has to do with "Conservation of Energy" and "Conservation of Mass", fundamental laws of thermodynamics. Following these principles, you cannot create "something out of nothing", but "only transform that which already exists". This leads then back to "the beginning". Someone else phrased it well - "Where did "the One" come from then?".

In the "evolution" of "experiences", god is the "ultimate teacher", so I do not think there will ever be "Another" greater than or ever equal to "the One". In the "infinity" of "experience" and "intelligence", "the One" also acts as "student".

At some point, to our current way of thinking, it almost becomes "impossible" to ever truly "comprehend" "the One". Question it - yes. Learn about it - yes. Learn from it - yes. "Be" with it - yes. Completely understand - no.

I look at it this way, if "the One" has complete power of "creation", then "the One" can keep moving the "bar of knowledge and wisdom" up. What I am getting at here is that there is "infinite knowledge and experience", which means to me, "FULL infinite knowledge and experience" can NEVER be attained. Human thinking tends to lean towards "quantitative", so, in describing "infinity", there is no end; there's always more. However, the "qualitative" concept of "infinity" has no limits, no end, and can be "understood" more effectively.

The flaw with this "way 'o thinkin'" is that it contradicts the "simple" meaning of "All is One". If "All is One" already (not to happen in the future, but ALWAYS has been and ALWAYS will be) and soon we will "leap" and be able to more effectively communicate and understand (comprehend "the One"), we may indeed make, experience, and be a part of this realization - All is indeed One. But, does this work backwards? No! I do not think that we could ever claim to be "All". This is worded poorly - hopefully someone can "get my drift" here, as I am open to further discussion and correction. And, sorry for the "parentheses" - they are meant to open the door for more proper terminology.

This is definitely a difficult thread to post to - kudos for those who have, and keep 'em comin'! :D

[soup]

I consider the feeling of loneliness as a catalyst of sorts which can foster reaching out to others in a way that lends contrast to such feelings.

Related to this idea is the idea of an auric body which grows by such interactions (i.e. such as distance yearnings) that act to stretch tendrils of the auric body over immense distances. To support this idea was a metaphor to neuron cells with dendrites that interconnect to other dendrites, forming a global grid. I wonder if there are others who ponder such things or if i'm alone in this regard.

Could a global grid grow by some mechanism of lonliness?

[Art]

I consider the feeling of loneliness as a catalyst of sorts which can foster reaching out to others in a way that lends contrast to such feelings.

Related to this idea is the idea of an auric body which grows by such interactions (i.e. such as distance yearnings) that act to stretch tendrils of the auric body over immense distances. To support this idea was a metaphor to neuron cells with dendrites that interconnect to other dendrites, forming a global grid. I wonder if there are others who ponder such things or if i'm alone in this regard.

Could a global grid grow by some mechanism of lonliness?

Soup, I'd say you are not "alone in this regard", but that possibly many of us are not able to intelligently reply, or simply lack the confidence to do so (tend to think this is the case). I'm often driven to comtemplation by this forum, however, am apprehensive to "put my two cents in" due to lack of knowledge, poor vocabulary, or simply poor writing skills. Sometimes I overcome these perceived "deficiencies" and post anyway, looking for either agreement, or constructive criticism to help foster new thought.

To answer your query, yeah, I'd say the global grid IS growing, due to the illusion of separateness, a perception of lonliness. As for catalyst, I agree; this perception is the catalyst for the growth we're experiencing. Perception of lonliness drives us to connect, to unify with others who share the same thoughts, ideas, beliefs (consciousness) that we all have. As the level of detail increases, this unity gets lost in translation, but focusing "back to the basics", unity re-emerges.

My opinion of these times are that we are going "back to the basics", remembering that All is Indeed One. From there, a new unity emerges. Once we realize we are a part of it, growth accelerates.

We're all plugged into the grid already, but most aren't either aware of it, or simply ignore it. I believe that people are awakening, realizing a "truth", and are growing/remembering/developing our abilities.

Good discussion - Look forward to your responses. :D

[SpiralCycle]

God IS and always will BE just that.

[MarkM]

I am reminded of the concept of similarity on all levels, and the nervous system is such an incredible communications system that it seems likely to be a model of that which exists throughout the cosmos.

Perhaps such naturally occuring phenomena as biological systems that are in evidence on earth represent, to a greater extent than we realize, operational principles of 'spiritual biology' in the macro-universe, for example, a galaxy as a living, breathing entity interconnected in a way invisible to us but entailing biological processes similar to our own, i.e., breathing, ingesting, excreting, parallels to a heart, brain, lungs, nervous system, endocrine/chakra systems, etc.

[soup]

...My opinion of these times are that we are going "back to the basics", remembering that All is Indeed One. From there, a new unity emerges. Once we realize we are a part of it, growth accelerates...

Thanks for sharing that nice idea. Frankly, it reminds of the maternal principle that nurtures an infant on its path of accelerated growth. Here, writing in forms that promote feelings of being in a nurturing environment can foster growth, (i.e. moderated forums as this).

Specifically, the idea that shared writings can symbolically ressonate thought patterns (which allow for a momentary coherence between parts of the grid) -seems to be complemented by emotions of being nurtured, (the closest bonds as those shared between mother and child.) Writings made carefully can trigger such emotions (which gets back to issues of choice and trade offs.)
From this perspective, conducive writings may seem those where people affirm each other in playful, positive, and supportive ways: thanks for those.

In other words, where there's inner feminine and inner masculine - there's also inner mom and inner child polarities conducive to accelerated growth
and writing space may allow closer access to those inner polarities than some may realize or be aware of. Funny, that reminds me of Hakomi.

[soup]

maybe one component of the accelerating catalyst of 3d experience is the occassional episodes of feeling alone - i wonder if within the higher densities there is a lesser degree of such aloneness sensation. It may be that some states of meditation are far from such feelings - that loneliness becomes bearable by way of meditation (in the absence of so many other distractions.) My impression is that many people fear the void and so avoid venturing there by way of meditation to discover such things.

[Robert Riedel]

The word "alone" is another of those stupid words, included in this stupid bass akwards language, like "vintage", that was all figured out about the time some controlling bastards decided to give the masses a Bible to lead 'em along like sheep, and this English language was created expressly for the purpose of making sure the real aspects of realitive reality never saw the light of day.

Some really smart Greek once said, "The Wise and Good, seek most to KNOW THYSELF."

Thyself, are actually two (for simplicity's sake) seperate, yet united aspects.
This separation at birth was necessary for you to participate in this ol' 3D world experience- BUT- your other half- your MASTER WITHIN, hasn't gone anywhere- YOU'er right here! as am I, as are we all...

Trying to figure out how to keep you from figuring that out has given many an illuminasty idiot grey hairs and hemmoroids over the years, but they know the seriousness of this, at least to them- because- if we collectively ever do all come to truely know ourselves, we will also come to know the scope and breadth of what these pitifull loosers have been getting away with for a very long time. And, their game will be over, and our party will begin...

Bob

[Kenneths149]

Lets Rock this world! The enrgy of your thoughts wake me up.
Loneliness rocks my world. It is at times an expression of longing for something or some one. It is sometimes the longsuffering of waiting for the out come of something or enduring some thing that has changed. It is real and painful. I know loneliness because I have experience it to underpinnings of other real feelings. They communicate a process in me an awareness .I think that emotional intelligence can appreciate the full spectrum of our being and loneliness as a feeling is a teacher. It teaches to focus, concentrate, and as Bob has said " Rock On". It is a a hard rock to hold it part of a design. So much more ti say on loneliness. It is a life time for some of us ,a longing for a dream or something else lost or hoping to find.
I want the Rock being joined to the building, the world rocked on.

[Kenneths149]

Rock on indeed! Your energy wakes me up.
I have grey hair and hemmoroids!
I also have felt loneliness and learned from this "Teacher" what I don't really know about myself or about love. Loneliness is part of love in a world that has free choice. Longsuffering, enduring, waiting patiently for some one or something can be felt at times as lonely. I use to love to paint with my art teacher. I could not paint alone. I loved her company her presence her being there with me. It is part of emotional intelligence and I think we misinterpret this feeling in relationship to ourselves and others. Bob's quote is to learn who we are. Learning requires teaching , waking up and feeling the fullness of who we are.I think feelings are one of the most incredible "rock on" teachers of who we are. They are part of us and part of the intelligent field that is to be honoured ,accepted, embraced, the teacher who likes us to know that the party is on and it is wonderful when we are there!

[Kenneths149]

If we are all one, and made up of one energy, that God is all one, and that all of us make up God, the whole, the one, the universal -- the one being...

ANd we are thoughts of God, according to the Law of ONe, and that God is all there is, and nothing can exsist outside of God... if that's true, and I think it is...

Then isn't God all alone? Sitting alone with us as his only ... amusment ... alone with his thoughts, as we are all in his head?

God must be really lonely, right? -- Wherever he is, he's alone. There is nothing else BUT god.

Havent' you ever felt really really alone, like after a nightmare, or in some other scary situation? I know we're "together", but we are one. We're the same one. That makes us the one and the only. We're alone!

For me, the closer I get to god consciousness, the bigger I feel, the more I feel, the less boundaries I feel, but I also feel more... alone..
The question of God's loneliness challenged me to remember St. Thomas Aquinas. This is taken from the internet at wilkpedia " God made man so that he was capable of coming in contact with reality:" I found this statement connected to something I remember that Dr. Carl Jung said that God or the Self loves to incarnate so that in finitude God can experience what is .

So what does all this mean? this means that in a real sense we are all one in that we are made of the same substance of all creation, you have the same atoms as I do we have the same original source of all that is. In this way all creation kind are one. Our origins are in the Creator( Universe , Creative Mind , Intelligence Field, Creative Force) and we reflect the Creator back to the Creator.

I think the discussion becomes circular. I will continue to think about it because I think that St. Thomas was way ahead of his time in thinking about God and we cannot disregard those who have laboured in the past with the profound meaning of "Who is GOd and who are we?
I want to honour as well your feelings of loneliness which I believe God does share with us because of the deep intimate relationship we already have with God's Spirit. So yes God does experience's lonileness through us. Yet God as a Singularity is something beyond my understanding that is " Transcendant ". Oh I wish I could phantom that but I admit that these thoughts are to grand and I need great clarity and simplicity to see that. The way I do see this is at night when I see the glory the spectacle of the Stars then I realize how marvelous and wonderful, how sublime is the One who fashioned such delightful beauty, awesomeness and small us with such intricate perceptions and mind to allowe us to appreciate Him. I marvel at this.
I am so thankful for your philosphical question because it caused me to wonder and try to discern what is it that caught my attention. Your question stirred me.

[soup]

...Yet God as a Singularity is something beyond my understanding that is " Transcendant ". Oh I wish I could phantom that but I admit that these thoughts are to grand and I need great clarity and simplicity to see that...

This seems to suggest a meditation exercise: to quiet the mind of all thoughts and just dwell in that void. It may be helpful to hold a perspective that this same silence experienced exists always within everything. With practice, this exercise can be extended for longer and longer periods to a point where it becomes easily accessed any time as anchored to the breath, (especially at the null transition zones between inhalation and exhalation.)

[SpiralCycle]

Everything that exists has to be the truth. Obviously if they can be forged into aether and pulled out a very very long time afterward than "gods" finger prints per se are existant and not just a made up reality that is random and chaotic. The way to get closer to divinity is by existing in the present moment and having no attachment what so ever letting you run off intuition your general feel for things.

You can find the depth of your being and eventually see that you are just a eternal state of awareness experiencing reality unfold and are equal to all.

This is what many enlightened ones have always told the masses. To just be and lighten up finding out that you are the omnipresent observer.

This doesn't mean you are inanimate/numb when you put yourself in this realization. It seems that everyone who has put themseves in this energy is actually the exact opposite and are full of love naturally without having to look outside.

Always look within while openly observing the external.

[One 66]

We are all experiencing our very essense of being... whether it be negative or positive... light or darkness. It all stems from the same source which is all that is... One (al-ONE/l-ONE-lyness)
Perhaps the idea is to experience the self indefinitely to know I (Love, Light, God etc) exist!

[Kenneths149]

"The way to get closer to divinity is by existing in the present moment and having no attachment what so ever letting you run off intuition your general feel for things.

You can find the depth of your being and eventually see that you are just a eternal state of awareness experiencing reality unfold and are equal to all.

To just be and lighten up finding out that you are the omnipresent observer.
Always look within while openly observing the external."

I want to acknowledge this is hepful... to just be and lighten up and be an observer. It requires some detachment from myself interests. It is the detachment to be aware of the light heart ,an important symbol to me, especially with the feather as part of that symbolic language as the spirit, A light spirit as light as a feather not weighed down.Thank you :)

In coming back to the question, : Is God alone ( solitary)? I think not. It is like a paradox. I am therefore God is. God is therefore I am. AS one so am I and one am I. I am one of one. There are infinte one's. .... I see where this is taking me... Infinite One .

[SpiralCycle]

Indeed. We are always looking for a stable someone or something outside of ourselves that will seem to be forever but if you realize at the very depths of yourself that you could not be separate from another or experience something outside of you existing, you know that you are as divine as anything out there and that if there is somone more elevated than you they will tend to be more loving and non judgemental always leaving you feelings that are uplifting.

So we are individually and equally one. Everyone has a sense of personal indentity even the dalai lama will say this. Yet without everything else we could not exist.

;)

[One 66]

Many look outside themselves to find themselves... be it a person, place or thing. We hope to find that which we can identify with... or vise versa. Ultimately, we find what we are looking/longing for within our self.

[leo scone]

As a young awakening being in 3D I came to realize I was missing something in this world - that connection to source, without which there is this incredible loneliness. And along the way in search of this "other" thing I believed to be missing I would on rare occassions sip of the nectar of inner silence and my view would expand and elevate and suddenly I am more than I was, I am at peace, and I am no longer lonely for I know where home is.

And then I come back here, and the loneliness, the "separation" are worse than they were before for that taste of inclusion, that moment of singularity. For in that moment, it is the homecoming. It is the "time" and "place" (hahaha) where we ALL come back together and meld again into Source.

At that moment, how could Source, how could this "God" be lonely? It is beyond even alone, which always implies there is something else. It is Singularity.

And it is such a wonderful experience that Source creates again, that the creation may once again reach homecoming. And again. And again. Ever on.

I used to hypothesize of the Lonely God with a need to create to assuage the loneliness. In fact, this thread and this post may mark the moment of setting that aside completely and allowing the concept of eternal homecoming.

Such is the catalyst of loneliness in 3D, not to be confused with the Singularity we all are already.

Love, Blessings, and Abundance,

Frank-o

[One 66]

Nicely said, Leo Scone.

[Art]

Nicely said, Leo Scone.

Yes, well done! :D

[jeremy6d]

What is loneliness?

Some people define loneliness in a spiritual sense as that feeling of incompleteness that is a necessary consequence of our separation from the Creator. So by that definition, the Creator cannot be lonely, being all in itself.

Some people define loneliness as a need for the company of others. In that sense, perhaps the unified Creator was lonely and began to experience itself as a drama of individualized aspects of itself to assuage this loneliness and discover new aspects of itself.

Personally, I think that when we speak of the unified Creator, we cannot necessarily superimpose human concepts onto it. Loneliness is so tied to essential human characteristics and contexts that it's difficult to think in the sort of abstract terms that questions of divinity demand. Whether or not the experience of unity is a positive or negative one, or both simultaneously, is something that is quite difficult to ascertain from merely anthropomorphizing this abstract, unified divinity.

The question is much more interesting when considered on our own, individual terms: we may fear that returning to unity will cause us more pain than it relieves, among our other fears. Of course, we don't positively know that for a fact. I interpret this question as more of an expression of our fear of the unknown than our fear of loneliness. We are afraid of what our true reality is; we're afraid that the truth is more painful than the contrived lies and purposeful distractions with which we busy ourselves in this incarnation.

My perspective is that it is better to know the truth than to ignore it. The truth is that we are the creators of our experience at every level. Worst case scenario: we return to unity, we find it undesirable, and we simply create another drama in which to immerse ourselves. So there's really no reason to fear our true, unified nature, except insofar as we fear our innate power - our power to create, our power to determine reality, our responsibility to ourselves that flows from this power.

This is an examination that could go on forever, so I'll end it there. Great question, though.

[soup]

Another slant may come from the astrologer Jeff Green who suggests that each of us live in a cycle which alternates between a point of individuation and a point where we return to source. It may be that in some people the drive for individuation becomes so strong they that they begin to feel lonely - and so begin to cycle back the other way. In the acts of connecting with others, they return to source. (Yes, it can seem as a never ending cycle.)

[jeremy6d]

Another slant may come from the astrologer Jeff Green who suggests that each of us live in a cycle which alternates between a point of individuation and a point where we return to source. It may be that in some people the drive for individuation becomes so strong they that they begin to feel lonely - and so begin to cycle back the other way. In the acts of connecting with others, they return to source. (Yes, it can seem as a never ending cycle.)

In other words, it doesn't have to be a negative thing. That makes sense to me. It's all speculation, though, and it's no reason to be afraid.

[soup]

...It's all speculation, though, and it's no reason to be afraid....

It may be that many women "fear" being alone, as if "uncoupled" later in life is culturally undesireable, i.e. left alone as a spinster or a crone, and it seems as if some cultural pressure in this regard is stronger for women than men.

Since women can seem to be socially more adept then men generally speaking, there seems a sadness in the anti-social aspect of living alone,
as if a person unable to live to their potential in some way or another.

My impression is that in Coastal California, there are many strong independant women who prefer living alone regardless of any outworn cultural influence. Indeed there seem more women than men in retirement rest homes...

[AndrewCalder]

My favourite and most returned to lines in the Law of One is the following, on concepts of infinitiy:

-There is no correct concept to describe Intelligent Infinitiy; It simply is.-

Hmm that's not actually a quote but that is definitely the point made.

Loneliness could be an aspect of separation anxiety, or not.

Personally, I stress the need to focus on my personally polarity, and that many of the questions we pose for ourselves are subtly created for us by others, to distract us.

See you soon ^^"

[daresh]

I agree with jeremy.
loneliness is a to human concept. like anger etc...
And if we take god as unity, being all there is then there is really no loneliness, a deep unity experience is beyond lonely and not lonely, it is!

Loneliness on a human level can be positive to all depends on how it's being interpreted.
In the negative way it can be a driving force to seek the light as every negative thing is...


My perspective is that it is better to know the truth than to ignore it. The truth is that we are the creators of our experience at every level. Worst case scenario: we return to unity, we find it undesirable, and we simply create another drama in which to immerse ourselves. So there's really no reason to fear our true, unified nature, except insofar as we fear our innate power - our power to create, our power to determine reality, our responsibility to ourselves that flows from this power.

Is it still total unity if there is still something to be desired or undesired? If we fully return to unity I imagine these things won't be a question anymore as the identity, the seperateness totally dissapears... In another way I do agree once everything eventually returns to the one infinite creator and everything is integrated again to the one infinite creator then maybe a new desire could build up as this current one is complete, then maybe a new drama will start or maybe not.

greets,
Filip

[soup]

Something about this thread reminds me of that Tom Hanks movie called CastAway...a sort of transformative loneliness. Maybe part of the moral of that movie was that it was good medicine in some way.

[Kenneths149]

I reread our theads and the song kept playing in my mind " What if God was one of us, all alone sitting on the bus!" .....How beautifully said in a song our seach to understand this experience.

We are God and and yet we are not God, we are part of ...yet we are. So we are lonely. It is a partial truth, yet we are surrounded by the unseen world of angels, invisble universes , divine intelligence, unified love.

I find the interpretation of the cycles of individuation, and unification insightful as souls choose lessons that deal with their different needs of growth. We may all end up as a glorious symphony of universal harmony and love .

What joy is there in watching a mystery " who dun it" when you already know the answer, have seen it before and know each step ahead and passively watch?

I am in love with mystery. It makes for fascination and that beautiful song " It was fascination last night.... love has an element of mystery and surprise that we want, we need .Boredom is not a quality we cherish! How wonderful we are made, how inifinitely varied like snow flakes uniquely beautiful !However what fun would there be in all ready convient packaged outcomes all solving of any problems in the script and answers were already written?

I am still lonely but with a deep sense of belonging to a larger halogram of process. "My progress is marked by the process of failure." is my favorite quote from Dances with Wolves". There is much painful loneliness, poignant joy and spirituality in that movie, epic in portions to the process of loneliness and love. It is dramtic. Many of us are drama queens and kings! Oh the play and the whole world is the stage! So too loneliness becomes the bitter sweet tale of the script we write real and powerful as a motivator to great love or as a result of greater betrayal of love.loneliness has a life of its owna like a color in an artist pallatte, a powerfull color. Used by the skill of a Rembrant or an el greco and wyopu the most incredible art or actress. Look at Marilyn Manroe's or Jimmy Dean's loneliness and how it drove their artist lives.

I am lonely. I find my life to be distracted with so much challenge to the inner journeying.
I have had company for a whole month and I have not been able to visit the site and think of these thoughts we share. I was menatlly moving so quickly in my heart and mind with so many ideas, excited to share and be a part of our discussions. And life's wisdom slowed me down!

My dreams have been changing too lately, dreams of rooms, dark rooms with my parents, yet empty rooms. Just things in the room, things like their radio, belts , cloths, a chair, an unmade bed a magazine , socks , shoes , the minutea of life, a sense of comfort and this is the way it is ! Little things. An empty house, left alone , emptyu rooms beatuiful at one time now abandoned, alone and grey , lifeless shadowy ghostly, not yet or past in between the zones of light. The world as it is with possiblity.

I want to choose to be happy not empty. To love , to be well.

Well I hope to keep contributing . Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
kenneths149. I am waking up thank you for sharing ,light in my grey house beautiful empty and abandonned how truthful. I never realized how beautiful it was or could be! What a change of consciousness. All on the thought of loneliness and God's and mine.

[soup]

Sometimes i'll search for synonyms of words which strike my curiousity. Its interesting to read them for the word "loneliness" from a state of observation upon how the words trigger feelings, it seems one riddled with emotional cues.

[Silvanus Sanctus Germanus]

God, being alone (Oneness), has a thought ( separation ) which has the pontential of feeling lonely.

Through the Brothers and Sisters of sorrow, may the light shine.:)

Sylvain

[soup]

Possibly there's some potentially catalytic seeking component contained within the experience of loneliness...


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[soup]

...catalytic seeking component contained within the experience of loneliness...


part of that may be as playing contrast to other ways of being, another may be the impetus for reaching out in some way or another.

it may be that as people naturally age, as with diminishing ability to hear or see or speak, or touch - that there's a shift towards aquiring a sense of connection in some psychic or spiritual way.
Maybe shorter lifespans act as some sort of compensation for people's retardation - as if the intent of our biological design was to consciously develop our psychic faculties earlier and live longer and that by disregarding the importance so, we trigger the onset of aging sooner to unconsciously develop them.


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[soup]

At some point the issue of loneliness may find solace in paradox - that the popular person in the crowded group of friends may likely be lonlier on some level, than the hermit who walks solo upon some desolated beach.


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[One 66]

The more one walks down the spiritual path, the more one sees less and less people around. The "popular" person seeks and wants to be around a crowd of people, the spiritual person seeks and finds solace within themselves... and realizes all there is is Self!

One 66

[mwr1026]

My take on this is that loneliness is a product of 3D consciousness. As the density in which consciousness first emerges, and the density in which too much information would interfere with free will, we are uniquely isolated and insulated. One of the challenges of 3D is to experience separation as the starting point for the evolution of consciousness toward union.
I suspect that by the time we graduate from 3D to 4D this question answers itself.

[Lurker]

If we are all one, and made up of one energy, that God is all one, and that all of us make up God, the whole, the one, the universal -- the one being...

ANd we are thoughts of God, according to the Law of ONe, and that God is all there is, and nothing can exsist outside of God... if that's true, and I think it is...

Then isn't God all alone? Sitting alone with us as his only ... amusment ... alone with his thoughts, as we are all in his head?

God must be really lonely, right? -- Wherever he is, he's alone. There is nothing else BUT god.

Havent' you ever felt really really alone, like after a nightmare, or in some other scary situation? I know we're "together", but we are one. We're the same one. That makes us the one and the only. We're alone!

For me, the closer I get to god consciousness, the bigger I feel, the more I feel, the less boundaries I feel, but I also feel more... alone..


Hi Lisa.

I know from my own experience that there is only consciousness.
I saw myself as the source of existence.
A result of this was that since there is only consciousness there can only be one consciousness. I felt utterly alone and was horrified, which is probably why I got out of the experience.

You see it doesn't matter if there are other beings in my consciousness, neither aliens nor ghosts(not that I have seen one). Fact is that all 'beings' are created out of consciousness. And because of this I can only be alone.


Where I am now, and where you seem to be approaching, is to accept that fact.

You are alone

On the path to full disclosure this seems to be a hurdle, at least for me. And to me it appears that what you're asking your self is; Do I really want to know the truth?

As soon as I talk of a 'higher being' I put myself in the category of duality, in other words something that isn't me.
If you say that Logos or God created you, you bring yourself into the realm of duality again.

From what I can sense from the posts in this thread, noone base their arguments on personal experience, except from the point of duality. Please correct me if I am wrong on this, as I don't know if it is true.

If you want to know what it is like to be God, and if God feels alone, there is only the option of being God. Otherwise you'll have to believe what others are telling you about God.

If you want to know what it is like to be a tree, you have to be a tree.

To know is to be

Same with what I am saying here, do you believe, or do you know?

I was told once that the physical plane(where we live) is the best 'place' to exist if you want to discover who you really are. This is because as a demi-god/higher being/angel you'll have alot harder time giving up your existence, the lure of superpowers etc is so strong that the desire to discover who you really are is diminished. Pain and so on on earth, is what propels people to seek the answer to who they are.

I don't know if this is true or not, I have not met any demi-gods.

Maybe the story is from Buddha(can't remember to be honest).

What is interesting is that Buddha said he would not melt completely with the buddha nature, thus keeping a sense of duality so he could come back and help more humans discover who they are and free them of their bondage.

Did Buddha do this because loosing a sense of individuality wasn't really that interesting?


Whether or not you want to discover who you are, or if you just want to become more powerfull(the superpowers of 'higher beings') is up to your self.