About Ra

[Ceara]

read the radio show transcript last evening. some of what david said, i've learned on my own.

but i have some questions.

ra is said to be a group soul. this implies that at one time ra was not a group soul, per se, but more individuals incarnating.

so, if this is the case, approx how many prior individuals are now together in the ra group soul?

ten thousand? one thousand?

so if ra became a group soul,then everyone else will eventually be linked to a group soul as well, as we evolve and return to source.

i am interested in the organization of the soul, group soul and soul evolution. perhaps soul isn't the right term. consciousness might be a better one.

what i'm typing below is not something i "preach" to others, and i'm not even sure if it's accurate. this is all stuff i got on my own through my imagination, dreams, etc. i don't profess that this is any sort of proof or truth, but my theory as it stands now. and if i don't share it, then no one would understand my question and have no clue how to answer it. (i know the mods hate preachy stuff but this is not my intention at all.)

like for instance, a higher self consciousness operates out of time, and can send portions of itself into incarnations at any point along the linear timeline. and if it can send out sparks to linear time at different points, then it surely can send out sparks of different incarnations that actually exist on the same plane at the same point in linear time.

now, when all these incarnations are complete and the higher self has done what it planned to do, then basically those incarnations join up as a form of group consciousness/soul, right?

now, going by the saying "as above so below," this would then mean that each higher self is a member of a larger organization of consciousness that it may or may not know exists.

who is to say there isn't some sort of more elaborate version of a higher self that brings its other pieces together when all learning plans at that point are complete?

it's like saying we have cells in our body that probably don't even know they are cells and yet do an important job. they probably don't realise that they are working for us as a consciousness. cells have their own consciousness but are they aware of what makes us animated? and we humans are all on one planet acting as cells also to a larger body? and perhaps all the planets and space matter acts as cells to an even larger consciousness? see where i'm going with this?

this is what i mean by the group soul with ra. i guess i'm curious which "level" it is at currently. is it just the group of incarnations from earth? like maybe.. what... 100 to 500 incarnations?

or is ra on a higher level, comprising of many other "higher selves" into a larger organization? if so, how many individuals acting as one, does it represent?

[serpents7]

good way to know of the "law of one", is to read the 5 books on the law of one. i have read them and also read the david wilcock's version of the books..it is a great work, to have gone through these writings and put all the different parts together, that match together.
peace..jim

[soup]

thanks for sharing such questions. i too am quite curious about ra, less from a historical standpoint - more from an active standpoint: what are the problems ra confronts, what is the incentives and motivations of ra, how might i be of service to ra (assuming ra likely realizes no separation from my higher self), and where might i learn more about ra?

[daresh]

you can read all about the law of one on http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=23&itemid=36
this is a study guide which covers the main topics they talk about.
...

greets,
Unknown

[Ceara]

i read so much stuff already and read the law of one a few years back. i loved it, but really feel it would be easier to read if we had a cliffnotes/for dummies version in more modern language style.

not that i'm complaining. but the material as i recall doesn't talk about the organization of the ra entity.

there is some sort of organization in everything and i don't see it being different for a group soul/entity.

[pajamabiker]

just last week, i was wishing there was a cliffnotes or for dummies verson for people like me.

[soup]

it may be that the mysterious nature of ra acts as a catalyst which pulls one onto a path of seeking of some sort, which is favorable in the context of getting an individual going upon whatever path they're on. all paths contain legitimacy of some sort, if not truth than a contrast of it by which truth may be better appreciated when it is understood to a greater extent. probably from some perspective, the ra materials act as a sort of "cliffnotes for dummies" by which there may be some utility in having a beginner's mind in reading them. to me, approaching them as a product of artistry (as any writing may be) helps me keep a fresh perspective.

[daresh]

some general info about ra can be found here on this page under the section
"who is ra?"
http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=129&itemid=36

[Michelle]

wow, that is sure some fantastic information to read! sheds a whole lot of light that has helped me understand and put many things together for myself, opened my mind, and made me desire to be a better listener to my higher self.

thanks daresh for the link.:)

peace and light,
michelle

[linsybyster]

ceara, this is rather unrelated to ra, but some of the ideas/questions you posted are discussed in the book [please email for book name]. i just finished reading it. it is fairly basic in parts, but the way he has compiled the information makes for a good read, and i got a few new things out of it.
one thing that jumped out at me was that you mentioned cells not knowing they're part of an organism, which is darn near word-for-word out of that book. he talks about evolutionary leaps - from atom to molecule, molecule to cell, cell to organism and organism to consciousness, saying that our next leap will be consciousness to super-organism, a global consciousness which will allow the earth to act as one organism. he points to 10 billion as the magic number for an evolutionary leap, and we are nearing that point (it is not the exact number - he says within a factor of 10). he talks about us being the cells in the super-organism without knowing we're the "cells," and our world acting synergistically. it is pretty interesting stuff and may offer another perspective on your research. :)

[Ceara]

[note from moderator: because this post is in the law of one forum and is not specifically pertaining to the law of one books, it and any subsequent replies will be moved to general discussions. thank you]

that does sound interesting. and due to the censoring of your message, please send me the author/title of the book via pm.

i read the link offered about ra and it did not answer my questions. i guess no one knows or hasn't bothered to ask before. or something like it was asked and then removed from the public material. if i was in ra's q&a group, i would have asked such questions. while the nature of my questions may not help in current human evolution on earth (as was one of the reasons ra reached out possibly, to assist in our growth), i feel it's good to know because i do feel there is an order to all things and would give somewhat of a glimpse as to what is possible beyond 3d. the monroe material is as close as i've been able to get regarding this type of info other than my own experiences. but it's always reassuring to read someone else's perspective and have validation.

there is another source. but if i type it, it will be removed. so if anyone is interested in it, pm me and i will send links.

[soup]

...and we humans are all on one planet acting as cells also to a larger body? and perhaps all the planets and space matter acts as cells to an even larger consciousness? see where i'm going with this?...

this metaphor may be interesting in the context of "harvest", that as a 3d human may feed upon the fruits of 2d lifeforms for nourishment, so may the higher densities feed upon or harvest the fruits of a 3d human.

often times i wonder if many get a sense of "feeding" another by way of the vibration shared during meditations? the image of inseparable coexisting densities may be useful to contemplate in this regard.

when this sense seems achieved, it becomes easier to understand how a "service to others" polarity may grow, that in such exchanges there can be found a deep sense of fulfillment.

an example of this may be a sense of soul mates communing upon their shared astral plane - nourishing one another in some way.

[billybobbutterball]

[quote=soup;22849]this metaphor may be interesting in the context of "harvest", that as a 3d human may feed upon the fruits of 2d lifeforms for nourishment, so may the higher densities feed upon or harvest the fruits of a 3d human.

snip

there seems to be some truth here. i believe that in the llresearch material it is mentioned that negative entities do feast on the disrupted energy field of others. negative attitudes, confusion, would be targeted. the fifth density antagonist attempting to prey on carla sought a gain in negative polarity if he/she could squelch the "spiritual light" ( perhaps elsewhere ) i read that in verbal conflicts between individuals the "winner" -- judged by who finished the loudest -- would be energized, while the loser would depart depleted.

in the 2d animal world the males -- in a mating totem pole ranking/pecking order conflict -- find the winner getting a testosterone bost while the loser is plumb depleted. the same happens to human competitors -- not only in regard to females but when engaged in sporting competition.(no wonder player's seek out illegal steroids to receive a recovery boost)

and of course there would be other situations that would be win/win -- of course one obvious example would be that found in the idealized conjoining of male/female energies.

billybb

[soup]

...i believe that in the llresearch material it is mentioned that negative entities do feast on the disrupted energy field of others....

it may be that disrupted emotional energies of adversarial conflicts can seem inferior to other types of energetic transfers, that they may occupy a small subset of a larger set of what's possible. the sense of a "gourmet" or "connoisseur" comes to mind, that there may be a preference of "refined quality" over quantity on some level of being or another.

this may relate to the idea that "the tarot" can help people get a bigger picture of "what's possible", and so can lead them to live within a more psychic state of being (i.e. where refined energetic transfers may take place, though difficult to say.)

[Cassie Priam]

thanks for sharing such questions. i too am quite curious about ra, less from a historical standpoint - more from an active standpoint: what are the problems ra confronts, what is the incentives and motivations of ra, how might i be of service to ra (assuming ra likely realizes no separation from my higher self), and where might i learn more about ra?

i am only reading book ii now, so i don't have much to go on, but one of the problems ra is having has been mentioned a couple of times so far.

apparently at some point ra needed to perform service to ascend to the higher levels, and took on earth as a project. ra admits that coming from so much harmony, ra was not prepared for earth being so difficult. ra fully admits to being naive.

ra tried to give egypt and atlantis help, via info, crystals, etc. egyptian leaders distorted the information for self serving gain. atlantis blew itself off the face of the map with the knowledge.

the questioner asks ra for info about crystals and ra says "no way', this has backfired before" kind of response.

i feel bad for ra, earth is a very tough service project. :(

does raise an inherent problem perhaps in the evolutionary system in place. as souls advance they become more harmonious, more filled with light and love. and to continue to evolve and work their way up the levels, they must do service to others. but the higher the soul goes, the more difficult it may be to provide service to the lower levels.

certainly may be a reason that higher level souls incarnate from time to time. to sharpen their skills and to refresh their memory of how bad the lower levels are??

cassie

[Ceara]

the questioner asks ra for info about crystals and ra says "no way', this has backfired before" kind of response.



interesting!

as soon as i read that, i had a sudden memory of a dream i had approximately two summers ago.

in the dream, i saw the ocean floor, and some "ruins" peeking out from all the stuff that grew on it.

i also saw various crystals (different sizes and colors) lying on the ocean floor and currents or something was causing the sand to gradually expose the crystals. and i distinctly had the feeling that someone would come along at some point and "discover" the crystals and take them to the surface.

i don't know what the dream means, it could be nothing. but interesting nonetheless.

[Cassie Priam]

interesting!

as soon as i read that, i had a sudden memory of a dream i had approximately two summers ago.

in the dream, i saw the ocean floor, and some "ruins" peeking out from all the stuff that grew on it.

i also saw various crystals (different sizes and colors) lying on the ocean floor and currents or something was causing the sand to gradually expose the crystals. and i distinctly had the feeling that someone would come along at some point and "discover" the crystals and take them to the surface.

i don't know what the dream means, it could be nothing. but interesting nonetheless.

perhaps a memory fragment from atlantis?

[Ceara]

perhaps a memory fragment from atlantis?

*shrug*

no idea.

part of the fun is seeing information being linked as linear time passes. one day i'll know one way or another.

[soup]

i often think of cell-phones as crystalline in nature, the radio-waves as the glyph of aquarius, the water bearer and yet an air sign.

cell-phones derive from silicon based crystal technologies that derive from silica sand. the cell-phones operate on radio waves, symbolized by the glyph of aquarius, the water bearer, depicted as an air sign. maybe the dream was a subconscious message about cell phones.

soup

[soup]

...and if it can send out sparks to linear time at different points, then it surely can send out sparks of different incarnations that actually exist on the same plane at the same point in linear time. ...


i think that this line of wandering relates to the notion of entropy...that things tend to decay, disorganize, or redistribute to another lower state of organization without the addition of effort in some form or another.

these forums can seem example to that - perpetuated in large part by the efforts of many individuals with some vision of a organization or order or state of being that transcends that of being simply dead quiet.


soup

[soup]

...i don't profess that this is any sort of proof or truth, but my theory as it stands now. and if i don't share it, then no one would understand my question and have no clue how to answer it....


often there seems some statement of "disclaimer" included in channelings which seems intended to break karmically the possibility that material shared may somehow infringe a person in some way or another.

as unfamiliar with so many channelings out there, i can only propose that these "disclaimers" may act as "flags" which help a person discriminate the quality of the channeling.

such a generalization may contain some inherent limitation - that is there may be some chance that one channels in a quality way, without such disclaimers, even though on some level there may be an unexpressed degree of caring in that regard.


soup