I seem to have lost my abilty to have OBE

[Sean]

7 or 8 months ago i began having bad experiences with my obe. normally i would awake or become aware of my body asleep and my mind awake (i think its called hypnogogic state). at that point i would just roll left, right or straight up out of my body. sometimes i would try to learn something or conjure up my higher self but it usually ended up being defeated by a very strong sexual urge. i always believed that the obe i had were just dreams because the first two i had seemed so real and the others more dream like. i always assumed they were dreams and just recently learned that things are not the same in physical reality as they are in non-physical reality. 7 or 8 months ago i kept entering the hypnogogic state in which i kept feeling a presence in my room that really frightened me. i would immediately try to wake up, but was unable to. i would have to use tremendous effort to awaken. i continued to have this happen to me each night, and twice, not only did i feel the presence i actually saw the entity. the first time i saw the entity was at the end of my bed. its shape looked human and it appeared to be wearing a trench coat with hat and a face that was black and featureless. the second time was at the end of my couch and it appeared the same as the first time. the reason i was on the couch was because i was afraid to sleep in my room and i thought that sleeping in a different area would keep me from having these frightfull experiences (it didnt work). i kept telling myself that they could not hurt me and confront my fear, but each time the fear became to great and i would have to force myself to awaken. i finally said if it happens again i will not wake up, but try to leave my body. the next night during sleep i became aware i was in the hypnogogic state. i did not feel the presence of the entity or any fear so i began to lift out of my body. as i came out of my body i suddenly felt something try to push me back into my body. i felt tremendous fear at this time but continued trying to leave my body, thinking that they can only scare me. i thought that i could move through them just like i moved through the walls of my house but i was wrong. suddenly i felt a wire around my neck that was choking me and pushing me back into my physical body. it felt so real that i did not resist and then i awakened.

every since then i've been unable to become aware of the hypnogogic state which allows me to have an obe. over the last 6 months ive been reading a lot of books such as "the divine matrix" and "the god code" by gregg braden, the 3 books by robert monroe regarding his obe. the "power of now" by echart tolle and host of others. then 3 days ago i found out about david and his website and wanted to ask if any of you know what i could do to try and regain my obe.

[charran]

sean,

why not accept the break and a divine intervention from your soul? listen to what your soul is trying to tell you. your obeing will happen for you again when the time is right. until then, no need to stress out. take a good walk outside in the sun and go on about your life. i'm sure you have many things to take care of that are on the backburner in the meantime.

it is quite clear that you need to research more on how to deal with other entities and this break gives you this opportunity. why not gain some knowledge on this? the next time you run into a negative entity try counting in your head. this is said to prevent negative energy from another from sticking to you.

love,

charran

[daresh]

hi sean,

i recommend the book [moderator: please email Unknown for the name of the bokk and url-it is free, however, we are staying consistent with our policy on not advertizing]. some how you'll have to realise that this fear is not necessary. it's like you say they just try to scare you, they can't do anything to you. most of the time they don't like love :) try sending them love next time or ask for protection of you higher self or universal light or whatever inspires you and gives you a connection with your inner power...

peace
Unknown

[Art]

every since then i've been unable to become aware of the hypnogogic state which allows me to have an obe. over the last 6 months ive been reading a lot of books such as "the divine matrix" and "the god code" by gregg braden, the 3 books by robert monroe regarding his obe. the "power of now" by echart tolle and host of others. then 3 days ago i found out about david and his website and wanted to ask if any of you know what i could do to try and regain my obe.

i've found myself having the same "root" behaviors - i call it "forcing", and when i do this, i rarely acheive the desired results. as charran mentions, when the "time" is right, it will happen again. :d

[WeR1]

sean,
the dark entities will be gone by simply saying or thinking, "jesus christ!!!"
worked for me immediately and must provide a protection 'cuz it didn't happen again - this was after a long period of time knowing there was a negative presence which became somewhat aggressive - at which time i freaked out and said "jesus christ!!!!" automatically - thank goodness for that protection.

i agree with charran re taking a break; that your higher self knows the best timing, etc. - have noticed though that sometimes my obes happen with the new moon, sometimes around the full moon.

this probably won't be allowed, but i think it's important and helpful with regard to many issues - healing of inner and outer issues - more peace of mind - the book, fountain of youth has 5 tibetan rites (6 for those who are wanting to proceed even further and willing to commit to celibacy)
the first rite involves spinning (not on a stationary bicycle) but like whirling dirvishes, who take it to an extreme - i think this helps to create a torsion field and combining this with the other rights (yoga-like) helps with each chakra. i first saw spinning mentioned in a book (might have been ken carey's? book - will try to find it and provide the quote) i read many years ago, which implied that the spinning helps with ascension (something like, "if you spin 33 rotations, 3 times daily - well, we'll see how long you remain on the planet!!")
ridiculous to have to admit i haven't been making a regular practice of this, but am committing to it now because of so many benefits too numerous to mention - one of which is more regular obe's, also, wonderful spiritually meaningful dreams.
many blessings to all (one), it's great to not feel so alone :eek: on this journey, eh?
mary

[WeR1]

sean,
i'm unable to locate the paragraphs regarding spinning -
but briefly, (combining perhaps the directions contained in fountain of youth and carey's book or maybe it was handbook for light workers by david cousins) -
hold your left hand out to the left at shoulder level
right hand extended directly in front, fist closed, thumb up -
while focusing on your thumb, turn to the right (focusing on your thumb prevents dizziness) however many rotations you're able or inclined to do.
i usually do 11, same number of repetitions i use for each of the rites in the fountain of youth book. of course you can start out with a lower number and work up)
then when you're done, move your left arm so it's extended in front of you along with the right, palms facing each other at shoulder width and look at the space between your hands until your focus stabilizes - the dizzy sensation will dissipate quickly.

this truly does increase higher quality, more meaningful dreams as well as number of obes and also will help you cope throughout the day if you've a chance or place to do this - the effect is cumulative.

also, another protection method (some of us were taught to never utter the words jc as suggested in previous post) is to be on your back with one hand over the other over solar plexus, legs together.

success with obe's for me increases if my spine is straight - when on my back i move the pillow aside. and guidance is more readily available throughout the day if your posture is erect (this was told to me in a dream, and validated by many sources).

mary

[StrangerAngel]

i have had obe since i was 12. probably even earlier but don't remember.
it was a natural part of my sleeping portion of my life. i wasn't afraid when it started nor did i take lessons to learn how. it was just normal.

i think we all obe but may not recognise it as such.
encountering negative entities never bothered me and i have never been harmed from such encounters. we encounter those on the negative path in our waking portions also. ;)
personally, i have always given my soul freedom of choice it it's obe travells.
it knows how to take care of itself without my programming it. saying it sounds like a seperate thing when it is only myself and higher self, but for illustrations sake i termed it that way.

i trust my higher self. sometimes i obe naturally like this for many nights and often many times per night. when it get to the point i feel i have had no true rest, as it is as living twice at once around the clock, i know my self will understand and then i may go into periods of a week or so with few if any obe.
not using my bodily brain mind to tell my inner self what and when to do things i have found to be the best way to experience both ways of being- in the body and out.
happy travells. :d
strangerangel

[pyramidnj]

dear one -- your post reminded me of my first obes decades ago when i knew diddlesquat about them. the first time it happened, i was just getting ready to sleep and then all of a sudden my life force was separating from my body. i thought i was getting ready to croak! all of a sudden i was zooming through the beautiful plants in my yard in africa, at the time, and i used all of my whatever to draw my life back into my body. it scared the yikes! out of me, to the point that i prayed never for that to happen again.

it took another long break before it happened again and it still scared the yikes! out of me -- :eek: -- to the point that it did not happen for seeminly another bunch of years! then, when i finally discovered the spiritual path i had been seeking for eons, i began conscious study of the obe process and started experiencing them at will and spontaneously as well.

however, i got to the point after several years that i no longer had them. my guides informed me that they continue to happen, but we no longer need the "spectacular" experiences to confirm the reality of our spiritual journey through the higher dimensions. the miracles and supernatural demonstrations were of value to help a "youngster" to realize the significance of the path which has been chosen, but they move to the background as you move forward to a higher level of awareness; otherwise, they may become distractions during one's spiritual journey.

allllll of this [pls excuse my long-windedness or rather, nonstop finger] to say
that i hope this information may be of some use to you and those just consciously embarking on this extraordinary portion of this lifetime's journey. it's all good......

dancing in the light and sound of all that is!
jo anne

[soup]

it may be that an old pattern of obe is not the only pattern of obe that is possible, and that the body as "instrument" has difficulty attaining multiple different states of obe at the same time. in this sense, there may be a superior form of obe that is being developed which renders the old form of obe obsolete, i.e. a trade off.

here the idea of choice upon inner planes (i.e. preincarnational) may help explain such transitions as going from one type to another as stepping stones along some path of learning that goes beyond the "mundane will" of conscious experience, (i.e. recreational obe vs. educational obe.)