Awakening into 4D

[MarkM]

from the questions thread:


i think that in the beginning stages of 4d, we will be much more like 3d people than not because we aren't learned enough to be anything different. we will probably make beginning 4d resemble 3d for a while, imo. and, what with 4d some 4 million (?correct me if i'm wrong) years long, we would have alot of time to perfect the density of love. chris

i anticipate that there will be some moments of amazing awakening in our first while in fourth density. it could be that we use the spoken word only, at the beginning. we will notice some huge synchronicities, as in "wow, you just said exactly what i was thinking!"

possibly our fourth density abilities will kick in only gradually and gently, in a similar way that awakening here happens at a rate we can handle, and so not to transgress our free will. i expect that a tenet of fourth density life will be that eventually all our thoughts, feelings, memories, in fact our entire being will be easily and completely perceivable to others in 4d, but maybe won't kick in immediately so as to not shock us.

do you think there will be a gradual period of orientation upon arrival in 4d, perhaps like an academy of familiarization for learning to work with our new abilities? a place where we learn to materialize that pretty little swiss chalet in the mountains that we've always wanted? do you imagine that there will be teachers and guides there waiting for us, maybe even a pre-existing infrastructure of sorts to aid in our transition? may we possibly retain our perception of linear time at first as well as a third dimensional view of space? or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?

i can't help but have these questions in my mind, even as ra was very guarded about describing 4d.

[One 66]

perhaps there are those who are being initiated or being prepared right now to help those who will eventually need help once the transition into 4d happens. perhaps some who view this site are or will be guides to those who are in need of guiding down the road. in the end, we are our own guides, teachers and students. :cool:

[Alisima]

markm, there are already 4d abilities right here, right now. but indeed, some will need adjustment.

[soup]

sometimes i consider 4d experience as that which incorporates abstract mental constructs as those formed by the sharing of writings. related to such writings can be mental structures such as contracts and agreements which then in turn affect physical behaviors. the notion of authority and hierarchy can seem to play importantly in such constructs and this is part of why i suggest this possibility. this may be a distinguishing feature between the 3d and 4d experience and problems associated with them.

[voidzero]

questioner: i think you said there were 60 million wanderers,
approximately, here now. am i correct in that memory?
ra: i am ra. this is approximately correct. there is some excess to that
amount.
questioner: does that number include the harvestable entities who are
coming to this planet for the fourth-density experience?
ra: i am ra. no.
questioner: approximately how many are here now who have come here
from other planets who are third-density harvestable for fourth-density
experience?
ra: i am ra. this is a recent, shall we say, phenomenon and the number is
not yet in excess of 35,000 entities.
questioner: now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory
body. i am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third
to fourth-density. i will take the example of one of these entities of which
we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. he will grow older and
then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body
and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?
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the law of one, book iii, session 63
ra: i am ra. these entities are those incarnating with what you may call a
double body in activation. it will be noted that the entities birthing these
fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the
connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. this is due
to the necessity for manifesting the double body.
this transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate
fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the
accompanying disruption of the third-density body. if a third-density entity
were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-
density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
to answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-
density necessities.
questioner: you are saying, then, that for the transition from third to
fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order
to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of
what we call death. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. the third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die
according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex
distortions.
we may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of
such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such
entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density
understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the
forgetting. thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added
attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a
troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.
questioner: would the purpose in transitioning to earth prior to the
complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the
harvesting process?
ra: i am ra. this is correct. these entities are not wanderers in the sense
that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. however, the
experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density
entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-
to-others. it is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is
much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

[soup]

...if a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility...

this reminds me of a person talking upon a cell phone - their voice transduced into electro magnetic radio waves which effectively "extend them" in ways they wouldn't otherwise. the notion of a "dual body" then reminds me of the concept of cyborg - a sort of half human/half machine.
maybe there's some metaphor in there somewhere that's helpful. in that sense, the act of interacting within internet forums may seem 4d-ish.

[1VibrationalEnergy]

david says ~
"this is great… i went back to the original law of one source material and found a shocking correspondence between the cayce readings and the law of one that i never saw before. it all centers on the year 1936, which both sources actually target as the year we directly hit the first wave of 4d energy."

when i read the year 1936 i immediatly thought of the movie contact because the signal they recieved from the "aliens" was the 1936 olympic games and it was the first to be broadcast on a form of television.

now i just read about a double body, you could literally be at two places at once.

just something to think about

[Berni]

when i think about the transition from 3d to 4d i think of the movie, "what dreams may come". after robin williams' character dies he is greeted by an old friend in disguise, who helps him learn how to create his own house and surroundings. one scene that comes to mind is where williams' character is trying to drink coffee (? i think) out of a mug that he created with his mind and the mug acts like wet clay - it squished together in his hands and fell apart.

it took him awhile to get the hang of creating with his mind. i think this is kind of how it will be when we make the transition. we will probably be kind of isolated at first while our teacher(s) instruct us in 4d living, just until we can catch on to how to make our own world and manage our thought transference, and then will be allowed to intermingle.

i kind of like the idea of creating a leonardo or van gogh (or maybe even picasso!) style landscape/living quarters. you could really let your creativity run rampant!

[Strider44]

i guess it will be much like an obe, in how your thoughts are instantly manifest into your environment... people had better learn how to start controlling there thoughts, and not keeping secrets...

[Adam of All]

this is something that i haven't yet settled in my mind, and so i'll bring it up here so that i can think about it as well as see what some of you think:

before i got into the law of one and the whole realm of spirituality that may be associated with it, i was very much into various "spiritual" disciplines - especially astral projection. it was to my understanding that the astral plane was the plane just beyond the etheric plane, which is physically corresponded by our subtle/energy bodies. it wasn't clear to me whether or not the etheric plane was counted as a plane/state of being, so for all intents and purposes, i considered the astral plane as being the 4th dimension.

now, my question/food for thought is whether or not the astral plane is indeed our 4th density reailty? after all, it's been made clear that the 4th density is a place where thoughts can manifest, and communication becomes not only very open but instantaneous, amongst other things. for the most part, the 4th density sounds quite like the astral plane. it's worth noting that it is very difficult if not impossible to sustain an astral projection because of the lack of sufficient energy - which can be related to the idea that our 3rd density bodies can not withstand a full influx of 4th density energies.

i openly welcome your thoughts on this idea, as i feel that something useful can be said of it.

love and light be with you all

[soup]

...it's worth noting that it is very difficult if not impossible to sustain an astral projection because of the lack of sufficient energy - which can be related to the idea that our 3rd density bodies can not withstand a full influx of 4th density energies...

thanks for offering some food for thought.
part of this mentioning reminds me of sustaining a balance of "love/light" in progressing toward expanding awareness of the "astral plane."
another part of this mentioning reminds me of how "a tantric practice" of some sort or another can "crank up the voltage" in some way or another, though there seems some issue related to the infringement of free will that ra mentions along in relation to this.

i think part of the issue related to tantra in regards to free-will infringement seems the idea of expanding one's awareness of self. that a low consciousness self may as more greatly veiled extent interpret themself as a physical complex alone and make choices so. a less veiled person may interpret their sense of self as that of more that that and so may make choices that more greately benefit a greater whole as trade off to say the gratification of more "lower consciousness self centered" choices.

the idea of expanding awareness by way of tantric practice may relate to where one spends their time, in the physical or astral plane, and how that time spent alter one's perception of reality. as one spends more time astrally, they may become alienated with the consensus reality that many around them are living within, they may become estranged somehow in ways that essentially limit their freewill choices compared to those around them.

in simpler terms, if all the choices available where balanced between "service to self, and service to others", than when one polarizes to "service to others" they may become limited to only half the total choices available: those of "service to others." so a veiled individual may by contrast have more "freewill" choices available those of both service to self and others. in this way, the freewill infringement issue may relate to an individual's choice of polarization with a twist related to their degree of veiling.


soup

[soup]

...or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?..


the image that strikes me here is that of cleansing - that by washing our hands maybe we can better enjoy a life that is to a lesser degree toxic than otherwise; that by the act of washing "we are allowed to transcend our limitations."

so some effort to cleanse ourselves is an act of transcension, as if cleanliness is next to godliness...


soup

[aqcheryl]

i am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. what, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? one minute? five minutes? ten?
i know those with more practice would be able to last longer, so im just inquiring to an averaged out number for the normal average joe :)

second... in regards to "what dreams may come" theres a video of that sequence previously mentioned. you can see here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tesh2mgbnje

now looking at that, how accurate would you say thats a depiction of what we know 4d to become? theres much we dont know, but for what we do... such as the ability to levitate (ie fly)... seeing the mermaid means that we could be that, right? or is it a matter of we are still tied to our 4d density bodies, so theres some limitations imposed?

i do see theres no point in electronics. who needs movies when you can live them? but heres the question, since everything is free will - how do you have a movie that you want to be real, versus you controlling everything you see? real as in, if theres other characters in your movie, youd want them to be free-thinking as well, right?

[sheluvsheiner]

originally posted by chris hamilton
quote: "... and, what with 4d some 4 million (?correct me if i'm wrong) years long, we would have alot of time to perfect the density of love."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so if 4d experience lasts 4 million years - do we stay in the same light body for all that time, or is like here where we live a certain amount of time, then die, then reincarnate? if we do die, doesn't anybody have any idea what that death may be like? would it be subject to pain or suffering, or would it just be a quick change? i think it would be fun to be able to put on a 'skin suit' (body) and experience things for the sheer joy of it. like make myself a perfect looking outfit with no stretch marks from bearing children. (haha). i wonder if that could be done.

secondly, am i understanding 4d correctly - we won't have the 'crud' that we do here in 3d. we don't have to worry about murder, rape, suicides, sickness and disease, depression, war and agression, deceit, jealousy and all other things like that which cause so much disharmony, misery and sadness? will we live lives of bliss? still new at this - thanks for your insights! ~ kristy

[Purple Dragon]

i am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. what, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? one minute? five minutes? ten?
i know those with more practice would be able to last longer, so im just inquiring to an averaged out number for the normal average joe :)

i'm unsure if we could even put a time down to the length of the period. it's been said that our dreams only last for a few seconds, but we live them for a lot longer then that. it's like or minds move out of our time restricted minds and into the reality of non-linear time. my father-in-law had an out-of-body experience a while back, his first ever. he said it didn't last very long, only long enough to float around his room for a little while before getting bumped in his physical body, so he got dragged back to this time-reality. i've never had an astral experience myself (or at least not one i could control), only "very real feeling dreams", so i can't really say for sure how long they may last.



secondly, am i understanding 4d correctly - we won't have the 'crud' that we do here in 3d. we don't have to worry about murder, rape, suicides, sickness and disease, depression, war and agression, deceit, jealousy and all other things like that which cause so much disharmony, misery and sadness? will we live lives of bliss? still new at this - thanks for your insights! ~ kristy

from my understanding, the 4th density has a set of rules and laws just like this density does, but it is not totally clear what all those rules are. only approximate idea's of what it will be like. here is a quote from david's version on the law of one (section three):


b. what is the 4th density like?

ra: there are no appropriate words. we can only say what it is not and approximate what it is. beyond 4th density our ability to describe the density grows more limited until we become without words. (b4, s82, 71)

1. it uses a type of bipedal body which is much denser in consciousness and more full of life. it does not use your heavy chemical vehicles or body. (b1, s16, 157)

2. 4th density is not of words, unless chosen. one is aware of the thoughts and vibrations of otherselves.

3. it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of 3rd density.

4. it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light.

5. it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus. (b1, s16, 157)

6. there is no disharmony within the self or within other peoples. it is not within the limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way. (b1, s16, 157)

7. when sickness is present, it is easily healed. (b1, s16, 157)

ra: the 4th density is one of revealed information. selves are not hidden to self or other*selves. the imbalances or distortions which are of a destructive nature show in mote obvious ways, the body acting as a machine resource for self revelation [recall that acim calls the body a learning device for the mind].

illnesses such as cancer are very amenable to self-healing once the mechanism of the destructive influence has been grasped by the individual. (b2, s40, 82)

ra: the 4th density abounds in compassion. this compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. it is the salvation of 3rd density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity. (b2, s42, 95)

[aqcheryl]

i'm unsure if we could even put a time down to the length of the period. it's been said that our dreams only last for a few seconds, but we live them for a lot longer then that.

i ask because i was thinking it could help at some point to decipher if what we are seeing is truly astral projection, or a very overactive visionary experience (ie imagination :d)
now thats boggling the mind... living dreams longer than they actually are...because ive had some long dreams lol

[sheluvsheiner]

but if there is no disharmony of any kind possible in 4-d...i wonder what would cause disease of any kind? isn't disease a disharmony within the body - "dis-ease". also if our bodies are more dense with light, it seems strange that we could get diseases. i hope this wouldn't include depression.

[Purple Dragon]

i ask because i was thinking it could help at some point to decipher if what we are seeing is truly astral projection, or a very overactive visionary experience (ie imagination :d)
now thats boggling the mind... living dreams longer than they actually are...because ive had some long dreams lol

and some will argue that they are the same thing, and our imagination is actually just looking through our 3rd eye which can take us anywhere at anytime. to think when we move to the 4th this will probably be more the reality and our reality know will seem to be fiction. lol!

[aqcheryl]

but if there is no disharmony of any kind possible in 4-d...i wonder what would cause disease of any kind? isn't disease a disharmony within the body - "dis-ease". also if our bodies are more dense with light, it seems strange that we could get diseases. i hope this wouldn't include depression.

maybe because what we think manifests, and so if we allow ourselves to think negative thoughts... its just a sped up version of here. we create our disharmony and it takes time but it manifests - over there its sped up... we create disharmony and it immediately and 100% manifests.

but then if we shed those negative thoughts we heal instantly as well.

talk about taking a sick day from work lol


and some will argue that they are the same thing, and our imagination is actually just looking through our 3rd eye which can take us anywhere at anytime. to think when we move to the 4th this will probably be more the reality and our reality know will seem to be fiction. lol!

they could but theres still a bit of a difference. yes we create our own reality right - but we still have limitations even there. because of free will. so for example an actual astral projection you perhaps meet someone on that plane who of their own volition comes to speak with you...

versus imagination...any person who visits you is really you and youre controlling whats coming out of their mouth lol

[mmariebored]

originally posted by chris hamilton
quote: "... and, what with 4d some 4 million (?correct me if i'm wrong) years long, we would have alot of time to perfect the density of love."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
so if 4d experience lasts 4 million years - do we stay in the same light body for all that time, or is like here where we live a certain amount of time, then die, then reincarnate? if we do die, doesn't anybody have any idea what that death may be like? would it be subject to pain or suffering, or would it just be a quick change? i think it would be fun to be able to put on a 'skin suit' (body) and experience things for the sheer joy of it. like make myself a perfect looking outfit with no stretch marks from bearing children. (haha). i wonder if that could be done.

i can't imagine people of a "higher d" being so fickle, prefering the appearences people in "3d" find attractive. if it's more about the mind, it's understandable that the mind moves past that. just as it was meant to..

i would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. i want to see some differences. i like lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, i find that fascinating.


also, as far as reading people's thoughts while here in "3d", it goes against the laws set in place, and i don't even believe this is possible in "4d" unless invited. but i do believe we'll be able to talk to each other, send our thoughts to each other without words. this is something i dream about all the time. in real life, my children have always been able to say things that were in my head, before i said them, and if i needed something, before i asked for it, they would run and get it(this is not an uncommon occurance for mothers and children). the thoughts that were readable were thoughts that i had planned on saying or doing. never thoughts that i would keep to myself.

[Jehanne]

i am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. what, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? one minute? five minutes? ten?

i'm no expert on the subject, but i have had several experiences that i call out of body experiences. the ones that i feel are true obe, were ones that involved me floating up to the ceiling and then flying around my building. these lasted what seemed like minutes, pretty close to real time. i would continuously get snapped back into my body, but as i was still in a trance, would start the process back again, leaving many times before finally breaking the trance and getting up. (these experiences were very intense and unlike anything ive ever experienced, on awaking, i would be very very cold, stumble a bit, and feel very heavy and sometimes would be sad to come back and want to go back to the experience, that is part of the reason i have stopped trying to so this particular experience consciously)

then there are the obe astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, i would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. these would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. the same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and i had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. there was a period where i was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (i guess i am training less and more busy in the external world)

if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

[conundrum]

people had better learn how to start controlling there thoughts, and not keeping secrets

its a relatively steep learning curve and being honest or attempting to be honest isn't that easy.. being totally honest while respecting another persons free will or secret while being of service to another self is some what complex and is wrought with inconveniences :(
not for the faint hearted, it certainly tests ones ability to forgive ones self and other self ;)


i would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. i want to see some differences. i like lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, i find that fascinating.

personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

[Purple Dragon]

if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

one thing ra has said is that our astral plane is still a part of our 3d, it has something to do with different layers of our density. the astral plane is a closer relationship to the 4th density than to the 3rd in our space/time relationship as our minds would think of it, but still a layer of the 3d. not totally sure how this works, but there is apparently a whole new set of rules we will learn once going into the 4th density.

[aqcheryl]

then there are the obe astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, i would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. these would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. the same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and i had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. there was a period where i was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (i guess i am training less and more busy in the external world)

i have never had an obe... i might have come close once. it was so long ago, but i vaguely remember seeing or feeling a chord.
i have had other occasions where im pretty sure i astral'ed its just you know you wake up and after time start to question yourself what did you really see.

those times did last a bit though, around the timeframe you said. also though, i went somewhere id never seen before, and i know i didnt create the environment out of my own imagination - so i feel it was an astral for this reason.

and the same, the only way i can get to this was meditation first, and i find that when you become busy in the physical... you lose track of keeping up on the spiritual, and so its kind of like you have to learn how to ride the bike all over again at least you remember what to expect this time :)


if the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but i'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. there is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. i would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. what do you think about the connection?

you know, ive noticed that the astral plane usually reflects 3d reality, even if its not 3d limitations that got us there. so if it is the plane, it would make sense if we were meshed together and its just a higher more evolutionary way of thinking.
i do think its going to be a reality where our thoughts instantly manifest, were still going to have bodies, just our dna is restructured to allow in more light within... and so we can manifest levitation and all that wonderful stuff, but theres still rules and limitations set. we still have to learn in 4d and we still have to overcome things, so i think id say because of that... that in answer to your question i think the astral plane is a very good representation of 4d.


quote:
"i would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. i want to see some differences. i like lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, i find that fascinating."

personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

it might be possible we still will have those lines, but at the same time i think we all will be seeing the beauty within instead of on the outside, and thats where we would see the wonderful and unique differences.

[AmentiHall]

hi adam of all, it depends on what terms/terminology you use.

density is often interchanged with dimension.

in my opinion, the way i interpret all of this- is that the astral is the 4th dimension , or rather a part of it (you could say 3.5-4d)

when ra speaks of density he is refferring to dimension according to how you and i see it. to me dimension and density are not the same thing, because we are lookin at it from a human perspective. we are not a meta-super-conscious gestalt of being like ra is so we my idea of density is 3 dimensions. so 1 density =3 dimensions of being. where areas 6=2. the idea of astral projection, dreaming and such is the idea of tapping into the 4th dimensional aspect of ourselves that truly does exist.

they have become seperate, the state of conscious 3d consciousnes and 4d consciousnes to do distortion within our physical dna template. this has to do with, from what i understand, some intervention the elohim, ra, and others had to do on behalf of us to save us from "higher frequency" attaching itself to earths grid, when earths/human templates weren't ready to "hold" the frequency therefore they had to create a "barrier" or "fence" in order for these tones to not "plug in." in return this caused distortion and mutation within our dna as the lower portions of ourself (or dna) had a gap between the higher portions of themselves (higher self, astral, dream, hyperdimensional experiences etc.) which is why we still experience both states but not quite "consciously" fit them together. when we are in 3d state of awareness we rarely tap into the etheric or astral bodies, although we can from time to time. while we have the ability to change this right now (thanks to ascension and alignment) it probably isn't as easy as it sounds.

this could also be why we must sleep, when we access higher portions of ourself in obe's and dreamtime- we also acess higher frequencies which then probably come into the physical template and attribute to some of the "recharing" we have. since we must experience both, but there is a gap between the two states (currently) we tend to forget what happens in the other, or rather we are unconscious of the other. sometimes they overlap. when you are in between the two states is when one can astral project. this is why when you astral project you are seeing both realms, the 3d and some of the 4d.

this has much to do with humans in the past forgetting the law of one and deciding to go down the path of "service to self." this is what caused a "fall" so to speak from our original, multi-dimensional selves.

[Desertrose]

hi everyone,

i realize that life in 4d is 100% more harmonious than now. after the shift we’ll have a choice to remain as 3d space/time or go to 4d. but, when the time comes and we choose to ascend to 4d we’ll be able to take our body with us since it’s considered a shift in consciousness and not in the physical aspect of life. sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened few questions:

• will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3d (do we need to live in homes)?
• do we need to go to work? go to schools? how different from now will our life be regarding everyday living? sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

another question is

• does 3d space/time mean that time stops? if yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3d space/time to 4d when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4d consciousness?
• since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?

would anyone know? or am i just complicating and mixing things

desertrose

[aqcheryl]

• will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3d (do we need to live in homes)?
• do we need to go to work? go to schools? how different from now will our life be regarding everyday living?
oh man, i tried my best to shorten my own response to this, but its still really long... so im breaking up my posts lol heres section 1:
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i am no expert by any means, im still learning, but ill try to answer with what i have come to understand. since we are not meant to have all the answers, there inevitably is speculation, and that clouds things. so we have to just keep in mind that whatever scenario we come to, we could be wrong lol

in regards to our current reality:
as we are light beings, the physical is the illusion. our dna seems to be containers of 'the force' ;) and so based on our level of consciousness, the less we know, the less we grow, the more density our bodies have.

in regards to 4d reality:
that being said, when we remanifest, it will be into a new dimension - 4d. we will carry our illusions with us. the difference being with a higher level of collective consciousness and a focus on love, there will be harmony and no more war. as we created our 3d reality we will do the same in 4d, so we are not alone in our 'illusions'. we still have limitations, so our dna still attracts density, and thus, bodies. they will be different, but i think at the molecular level, and thats why we wont notice outside of feeling healthier and better.
because we still have density, we probably will still need some form of nourishment - so we will still need farmers. there will be many levels of learning - so there will still need to be teachers. we will still have our homes, and our transportation - these will evolve, so there will still be technicians. things like that. im pretty sure well still have animals too, and of course music, so we will still need musicians and 'pet shop owners' lol healers instead of doctors.

in regards to what we lose:
ra speaks of inconvenience(s). to me, this means we will lose the material things we have come to depend on. look at how society as a whole was defining itself not by the value of who each person was, but instead by what car they had or what cell phone they had. however... i was reading that when ascension occurs earth will enter a new higher electromagnetic frequency. does this mean all of our electronics will stop working? or instead maybe they will still work, its just... we will quickly find we dont need them anymore, and so we have to deal the death blow to that bit of our personality.

in regards to the ascension process:
it seems to be that as our ascension is not based on evolution, but instead on obtaining a higher level of consciousness - so then it follows that we will not 'die' physically, our bodies will just remanifest in 4d in a upgraded body.
in 2012 enigma, david speaks of how science shows its highly probable if not practically certain that in 2012 the earth will flatline for 6 seconds.
earth seems to be the heart of all density life... so its akin to us having a heart attack, and having a near death experience... and my best guess is that as with a nde, we will have an out of body experience, and while we are out of body we will have all the access to the higher realm of knowledge as we do in death except we are not going to die. at the end of the 6 seconds, the earth will have been jumpstarted again, and we are brought back to our bodies. and i think while we are having the obe, our bodies go through the dna change from 3 strands to.... ?#.. so i think that to ascend we will need to hold more light, and that needs more dna strands, and its quite possible that we may have to have the obe else to stay in our bodies we wouldnt survive it.

in regards to what happens to our 3d bodies:
so we dont know what happens beyond that either we will disappear, or there will be an empty shell. if like above our dna restructures, then to me that implies we will still have the same body, just upgraded... and therefore in 3d, i suppose that means we disappear - unless we choose to go back to 3d. but we could also just shed the skin like a snake does... maybe thats what all those fema coffins really are for. lol

[aqcheryl]

sometimes i read not much change will be noticed, other times i read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

• does 3d space/time mean that time stops? if yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3d space/time to 4d when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4d consciousness?
• since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?


part deux lol
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in regards to the change being noticed:
my understanding is the notice comes with our current level of knowledge. for example those of us who are well familiarized with obe, astral, etc - we are more prepared to immediately see and remember the advanced knowledge, and therefore can handle it. someone who however has never meditated or perhaps even believes in meditation etc,... they are still going to 'download' the information - but they wont notice.

in regards to our choices:
heres the rundown of what ive been reading. i think im understanding this right lol

**service to others**
(remember we only need be 51% to qualify.)
choice 1: we can choose to not remanifest at all. we can dissever from our bodies and perhaps stay 'up there' as spirit guides or such.

choice 2: (and probably what most will choose) we remanifest back to our illusions, but in 4th dimension. we can choose to come back remembering everything we have learned while 'away', or we can choose to let it come to us gradually. i think if we choose to come back remembering everything, there is a responsibility attached to it, perhaps the condition being we must become teachers. i doubt thats an issue lol

choice 3: we can choose to go back to the 3rd dimension, and we will have to stay there until the next ascension occurs. it is that ascension that i believe those who still do not 'ascend' to 4th will be transported to a new 3d planet. im thinking this is because each dimension can affect the other. we may progress to 4d but we are still on the same earth as those in 3d. only since its a different dimension we can have the cleaner earth. those of us who went back to this 3d to try and help those who couldnt ascent the first time, will rejoin everyone in 4d.

**service to self**
(50% on down...)
they will not be able to accept the light that comes with the evolution of consciousness, and so they will essentially not ascend. they probably will not even be aware the ascension took place. its quite possible everyone missing will be considered casualties of war or something. they are good people, but they need guidance, so that they can later ascend.

i think if a service to others chose #3, they would come back to 3d but have ascension powers. at this point, theyd have to, because time is quickly running out for those who still need to ascend. is it 100-200 years? i thought i read a much larger timespan then that for some reason. but that makes sense - it would mean they basically have just one more reincarnation to get it right. so a typical life is up to 80 years... plus the remainder of their days from this life... cant equal more than 200...

in regards to our loved ones ascending:
now this... it is not our thoughts that define who we are, it is our choices on how we act with those thoughts. there are still 4d negatives and i bet they still try to impose their thoughts on 4d'ers. so i dont believe that the thought will instantly manifest - unless we choose to allow it to by feeding it belief or fear. and once we make that choice, and only once the choice is made, then it will manifest, and manifest instantly. but even if we make that mistake we can instantly choose to banish it and make it go away too. so... therefore i believe that i can look at my family and friends and feel comfort in knowing they will ascend because by their actions they are service to others. no one is 100% but you know, again, only needs to be 51%.

in regards to time stopping:
i think that only happens once we manifest into the 4d reality. so in actuality the real question is how do those in 4d ascend to 5d. i think its different rules at that point. 4d still has a cap in their learning. they still need to 'graduate'. perhaps once they have learned everything in 4d, they can then ascend to 5d, or stay on 4d to help those in 4d continue to grow.
i do think we still 'die' in 4d, but its more of choice than bodies giving out on us. so we do reincarnate. we can choose to 'grow old' too.

[Purple Dragon]

great post aqcheryl! lots of good information. a few things that i would like to add as well from what i have read. i'm not going to quote as the post is long & everyone should just read the whole thing :)

first off, moving into 4d, i think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. for example, ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. and although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.

loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what i understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. i think materials are one thing that our ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games :o

as for the choices for sto & sts, i believe ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the mayan cycle?) so either we move on, or we move away. our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (i think this is just like venus has life but in higher dimensions). so if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

as for the sts, for them to move to 4d they need to be 90 or 95% + sts (can`t remember exactly) to move on to 4d negative, otherwise they move to another 3d planet to continue learning to either get 51%+ sto or 95%+ sts.

our loved one`s have the same choice we do, and their decision is their own. remember we are all one so technically the entire world is our loved ones.

as for time, ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me. it`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. so time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

well desertrose i hope all that information helped you! :d

[aqcheryl]

first off, moving into 4d, i think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. for example, ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. and although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.


oh yes, i was just posting that i think im seeing physical symptoms with us already - not just spiritual, and wondering if others are seeing/experiencing as well.



loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what i understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. i think materials are one thing that our ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games :o

at the same time, and yes the video games is the first thing to hit me hard when learning of ascension lol, we will be able to live the video game if we so choose. so eventually we will come to realize we can walk in a world of warcraft (i dont know that game if its really all war, but just use it as an example... or say world of peacecraft lol)

i do think we will still manifest the homes but i think its because theres a transition after the ascension not just before or during. people have to gradually come into acceptance they are in a new dimension and such and they cant do that if they lose everything they know instantly. so i think what you are saying it will come to pass, but maybe as we progress further towards the middle to end of our 4d learning?


as for the choices for sto & sts, i believe ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the mayan cycle?) so either we move on, or we move away. our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (i think this is just like venus has life but in higher dimensions). so if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

yes see this is one of the things ive also read, as well as also reading theres the short time period after before we eventually have to 'move'. i originally was trying to say that personally im still learning so i dont know or have my own opinion on this part... but i had to edit so much i cant remember if i kept that in. if not, well im saying it now lol


as for time, ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me.
me too. and im still trying to understand the quantum physics aspect of the things david first mentions in 2012 enigma... like the particle board waves flipping over and what exactly that means to them... im so confused on it i cant ask a question because im confused to what the question should be rofl
that and the geometry, and how its relating to matter. and my strong skill is math, i loved geometry. i loved science class too. but this, not computing. need more info. lol im sure i will find it too hehe


it`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. so time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

i cant even grasp what non-linear time is or would be. the lyrics i have in my siggie popped in my head again, in response to our understanding. :)

[FooSnik]

from what i understand about the 4d realm is that it all hinges on one thing: we will become 100 times more empathic and psychic.

this will have a massive chain reaction.

#1 if we are 100 times more empathic, and we do something bad to someone, we will feel that other person's pain as if it was our own. if every time i punched you and i felt the punch in my own cheek then i would be very likely to quit punching people. lol sounds funny but it is a good example of how 100 times more empathy will create 100 times more peace, love and understanding.

#2 if we are 100 times more empathic then we are likely to feel the pain of the earth herself. and we will be much more likely to tread gently on her and not damage her the way we have been. so we will live at one with the earth.

#3 if we are 100 times more psychic we will pick up the signals of the universe itself. and being that the energy of the universe is made of love and is inherently good then we are going to radiate that love outwards 100 times more than we are now.

#4 there are masters of the art of meditation that can live off of light for long periods of time. if they can do this now then when we have 100 times more mental strength we will surely be able to master this art as well, easily. so the need for food will be far less if not null and void. you know, the whole mind over matter thing.

i have heard that we will have more of a light body. this sounds awesome. and it makes sense. if we are moving to a place of less density then you would think that our bodies will be less dense as well. meaning all sparkly, shiny, and light.

ooooo... i can't wait. :d

[Desertrose]

thanks for all the responses. i am so grateful to have found this website. it is soul healing and very informative. i wish more people are open to my thoughts about 2012 and beyond but this is the only place i can discuss it openly without having someone criticise or make fun of it.

i think they get caught with the fear factor related to the inconveniences which we will experience. i live in the middle east (third world country) and around here no one around me is really prepared for any of the 2012 stuff, instead it is considered foolishness. it is unfortunate of course that ignorance rules in this part of the world which is making me think that maybe the inconveniences of earth will mostly hit areas where people are ignorant (which are the third world countries). and when i say inconveniences i mean earthquakes and floods and so on. maybe i should go back to canada while i can. people there seem more open to me when i talk about metaphysical issues. :)

desertrose

[mmariebored]

thanks for all the responses. i am so grateful to have found this website. it is soul healing and very informative. i wish more people are open to my thoughts about 2012 and beyond but this is the only place i can discuss it openly without having someone criticise or make fun of it.

i think they get caught with the fear factor related to the inconveniences which we will experience. i live in the middle east (third world country) and around here no one around me is really prepared for any of the 2012 stuff, instead it is considered foolishness. it is unfortunate of course that ignorance rules in this part of the world which is making me think that maybe the inconveniences of earth will mostly hit areas where people are ignorant (which are the third world countries). and when i say inconveniences i mean earthquakes and floods and so on. maybe i should go back to canada while i can. people there seem more open to me when i talk about metaphysical issues. :)

isn't it funny(not in a haha kind of way) how the less 'civilized' places have the least worries over such matters? it makes me wonder about the reasons for that. much ado? can it be that the more education we recieve on these issues will make no difference in our 'ascention'?

it seems the important thing is to keep our own spirits up and do our part to keep the spirits up of the people around us.

still, i do love the hunt for information.:o

[conundrum]

it is unfortunate of course that ignorance rules in this part of the world which is making me think that maybe the inconveniences of earth will mostly hit areas where people are ignorant

when you are ignorant you take things at face value and get on with life when you are arrogant you think you know every thing when in reality you know nothing besides some things are better known .

:eek:

[LordDragon]

@foosnik


i have heard that we will have more of a light body. this sounds awesome. and it makes sense. if we are moving to a place of less density then you would think that our bodies will be less dense as well. meaning all sparkly, shiny, and light.

what if you already have that light body? but your still running the program to see it as matter? when meditating i can see this world this matter al the objects, as if they are existing out of light en schadow particles. between everything there are tiny silver lines on wich little silverlight bulbs move. everything is connected, heaven is on earth, but most of us still running the program to see it as matter. think about the movie the matrix, as neo starts to believe in the matrix he is able to see trough it, and the end of the third movie it seems he doesnt need technology anymore, he has become one with the matrix. he doesnt sees as programmed anymore he has become the program. use the law of of oneness, see the whole thing=become the whole thing=become one again.

@all

people who read the divine cosmos books maybe noticed the part about zykorev. adding energy can reduce mass. this is also true with your fysical body. so this body you are in now can indeed become less dense. imagine you find a way to take energy straight out of the earths elektromagneticfield with your aura. or even better, imagine a world full of love which is also a sort of energy, and we would (possibly)have the required energy. anyone familiar with the celestine vision?

becoming one to me also means become one with your body. your body seems to be solid matter but in reality no such thing exists. in reality your body is made up out of elementary particles wich move around in high speed. they create the illusion of solid matter, but science has proved more than 90% of our body is emptyness. so in essence our body is already a swarm of quarks, the hindoes called them the paramanus, which means something as tiny light parts.

many of you know they have an energy field but they cant see it. imagine one day you can see the energyfield. what then is really changed? reality? i dont think so.reality is always reality the problem was you could only see part of it. what has really changed is you, you have become one again. it is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. that's how i see it. so there is no need to be afraid. that's not the purpose of ra's material. you can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.

blessings, ld.

[aqcheryl]

it is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. that's how i see it. so there is no need to be afraid. that's not the purpose of ra's material. you can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.


once again very wise words :)
and youre right its not a matter of dying on a physical level. its more of a... upgrade. were going to evolve consciously and that means were going to learn how to put the information given to us to effect.
like riding a bike... some people can just hop on and do it - they will instantly know how to use the information.
then theres those who get on but it takes practice before they master it - these are the people who will most likely look the same for quite some time, because they wont understand how to move matter, or that matter makes up our body and that we have the control to change it.

when we download the new information were going to see our bodies in a different way and how we run them, and were going to essentially transform how we work into a better product. human version 2.0 (i say 2.0 cause right now im under the impression we are in our first human body...kind of like the rough draft)

so were going to restructure our bodies, and tell them to get rid of the unnecessary parts, and to modify other parts to function at a higher more organized level. so who knows we might get rid of the kidneys because we wont need them anymore. we might advance the heart to work in a different way, that it does not tire out as we grow older as it does here in 3d.

[FooSnik]

@foosnik



what if you already have that light body? but your still running the program to see it as matter? when meditating i can see this world this matter al the objects, as if they are existing out of light en schadow particles. between everything there are tiny silver lines on wich little silverlight bulbs move. everything is connected, heaven is on earth, but most of us still running the program to see it as matter. think about the movie the matrix, as neo starts to believe in the matrix he is able to see trough it, and the end of the third movie it seems he doesnt need technology anymore, he has become one with the matrix. he doesnt sees as programmed anymore he has become the program. use the law of of oneness, see the whole thing=become the whole thing=become one again.

@all

people who read the divine cosmos books maybe noticed the part about zykorev. adding energy can reduce mass. this is also true with your fysical body. so this body you are in now can indeed become less dense. imagine you find a way to take energy straight out of the earths elektromagneticfield with your aura. or even better, imagine a world full of love which is also a sort of energy, and we would (possibly)have the required energy. anyone familiar with the celestine vision?

becoming one to me also means become one with your body. your body seems to be solid matter but in reality no such thing exists. in reality your body is made up out of elementary particles wich move around in high speed. they create the illusion of solid matter, but science has proved more than 90% of our body is emptyness. so in essence our body is already a swarm of quarks, the hindoes called them the paramanus, which means something as tiny light parts.

many of you know they have an energy field but they cant see it. imagine one day you can see the energyfield. what then is really changed? reality? i dont think so.reality is always reality the problem was you could only see part of it. what has really changed is you, you have become one again. it is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. that's how i see it. so there is no need to be afraid. that's not the purpose of ra's material. you can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.

blessings, ld.

yes i agree lord dragon. but the thing with me is that i have entered a "realism" stage. i know that anything is possible. and, if we remove all doubt from our minds, we could start flying around like superman. but realistically, do you think that is actually going to happen? there are monks who spend their whole lives meditating in order to be able to levitate. and a small amount of levitating has been accomplished, i think. but i am not being negative when i say that nobody is gonna start flying around here anytime soon. yes, everything is made of light, right now, even our bodies. but when i get up too fast and hit my head on that bar above my seat on the train, that bar that is made of light feels awfully damn hard. lol

i think the key words are patience and timing. we aren't meant to be flying or have a light body until the time is right.

all in balance. a little bit of dreaming and a little bit of realism. go too extreme in either territory and we start to lose touch.

[Strider44]

i know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from ra... theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

[LordDragon]

@strider

could it be possible ra does'nt want to spoil the fun? i mean he leaves us our own path so that we may discover this ourselves. the words " less dense" give us a clue. maybe that's why people start thinking about telepatics and levitation, etc.

next to ra's knowledge there are other wise scripts. like the tale of carlos castaneda and don juan. the way of the warrior. there is also the nagual, the active part of infinity, wich we are part of. as you read the books you wil see that don juan, also tries to say things in an indirect way, he even sometimes makes jokes about it what brings carlos in complete chaos. but don juan clearly want's his pupil to discover things himself, to make his own decisions etc. i believe ra is also doing it this way.

if you think out of free wil, this also means freedom of choice. so they have to make sure we make use of it and choose ourselves.

blessings, ld.

[Desertrose]

hi everyone,

after earth ascends, i wonder if those who don’t ascend with earth and have to repeat 3d on another planet, would they have to wait for their planet to ascend to 4d before they can too? or would they be able to (based on their spiritual growth) ascend to 4d when they are ready without having to wait for their planet to.

does anyone know if people on earth ascended to 4d before? i don’t mean those who came down to earth from a higher dimension to help us and then went back to their own dimension when they completed their work on earth. but rather actual people who lived out their 3d experiences and became ready for 4d.

desertrose

[Ultramind]

hi everyone,

after earth ascends, i wonder if those who don’t ascend with earth and have to repeat 3d on another planet, would they have to wait for their planet to ascend to 4d before they can too? or would they be able to (based on their spiritual growth) ascend to 4d when they are ready without having to wait for their planet to.

does anyone know if people on earth ascended to 4d before? i don’t mean those who came down to earth from a higher dimension to help us and then went back to their own dimension when they completed their work on earth. but rather actual people who lived out their 3d experiences and became ready for 4d.

desertrose

my understanding from the social memory complex of ra is that these entities that where transferred to another 3d planet of compatible vibratory rates would then be able to choose their entrance into 4th density once they reached the end or last sub octave of 3rd density and where able to ascend to 4th. ra mentions that some of elders race chose to ascend and others choose to stay behind to help the other 3d entities of this plane of existence. i would imagine that at the moment that the entity understood how to balance itself in accordance with the vibratory conditions of 4th density and could very well move up it would boil down to the free will of this particular entity. it may choose to stay or it may choose to let go and move closer to the one infinite creator.

love and light to all.

[Nirvana]

i sort of get the understanding that all the talk of the end of the world (death to a simpler meaning) is part of the test. if you truly believe the creator would end your existance in a glimpse of an eye with no story to tell behind it, you have not grasped the concept of infinity and the grandmaster intelligence behind the whole evolution system.

for me, its about accepting that death is a beginning and that by fearing death, you fear to re-unite with yourself, the source, the everything and nothing. - once i understood this, i started the path of self-acceptence. i think this is really important.

a wise man once said that you can never truly love others unless you truly love yourself. this also corresponds with alot of ra material and other theories. this is so right..

love yourself, accept your flaws and your bests, look into your enemies eyes and see only yourself. - this is the path of galactic conciousness as i see it.

love and harmony.

[Tbonyandsteak]

had a ascention dream as a child.
it was a strange clear dream and yet as the most natural wonderful thing you could imagine.

all child worries, guilt and dependencies in mind where removed.
i just became myself again, as the full person i am.
the dream showed we all are like this.
huge grand personalities.
we were so powerfull we could change things just by the thought of it.

however we were not ready yet for such a power,
we needed to be more mature.
that was a secondary message, the main message was not to worry, have guilt and dependencies
such things was not nessecary.
those things just put a curtain for your eyes on who you really are.

the funny thing it was 35 years ago. i had absolute no knodledge about higher self, religion, 2012 and such.
i was totally unaware of such things.
had absolute no idea what to make of that dream.
until a couple of years ago when all this became a subject on youtube.

so if that dream was a message, it was just about to become yourself
and remember again who you really are.

regards

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

if you've watched the video when david was talking to a group of people, he explains how the mayan calendar is divided by phi, or 1.618 repeatedly until it came to an undivisible length of time. each point in time where the calendar was divided by phi, something of great significance happened. jesus, buddha, some very recent ones i do not remember.

as you can see, towards the end, the intervals will be days, hours, minutes then seconds apart. "project looking glass" was a man made "pineal gland" that you could tap into time/space without entering it. when the people using it played earths time it would flash repeatedly and then turn pure white. this is the " you create your own reality" time. also, there is a possibility of earth turning into a negative planet. this is highly unlikely because there are more positively oriented people ready for harvest than negative.

david also says with regards of ra is that many of us will not be able to turn invisible as to be hidden from the 3d beings in the beginning. our dna will ahve more light, thus easier to control and manipulate to whatever it needs. though, the energy in 4d is incredibly more powerful and useful than that of 3d.

[csimon]

how we percieve 4d to 5d to 6d etc. transitions is relative to our perception of 1d to 2d to 3d etc. transitions theoretically. the signicance or insignificance thereof of 1d perception from the perspective of 3d can be similar in perception to 3d from 5d, however, the frequency of each is quite vastly different.

so why do we dwell so much in this 4d awakening transition? the answer can be put simple. because we currently and commonly dwell in 3d, and 4d is the frequency in which we are headed. eventually this transition will hardly seem to matter but for now this is where we are. and this is a very important step in who we are becomming relative to now.

what lies between 3d and 4d is also relative between 2d and 3d ...relatively. the frequencies are so different between them, and from that point one can begin to understand that with each upward transition all things are "more powerful" or "sped up" if you will. the higher the frequency the greater the number of facets, of which the greater number of choices, opportunities, paths, etc .... at some point levitation, telepathy, teleportation, and all things supernatural become even commonplace. much for most to comprehend at this point yet conceivable. perhaps one step closer if not fully the tranistion to becoming one with all things.

also, 3d may be seen in 4d but not vice versa, fully. 4d is only ghosted in the 3d realm. thus, the increasing transitions are apparantly downward compatible but not totally upward compatible if you will. a clearer understaing of 3d may be had from a 4d+ point perspective as well. but likewise, the study of 4d from the 3d perspective is quite confusing and challenging to say the least. and quite impossible for most to even comprehend. some of the greatest minds even now still have doubts of the 4d existence.

how profound is it at this point that all things exist infinitely?

[HardKnockSoldi3r]

how profound is it at this point that all things exist infinitely?


quite.

what is all encompassing, always was, will be and is, and never dies?

god

what is all encompassing, always was, will be and is, and never dies?

energy


all things that exist are a form of (conscious) energy in different forms. i consider language as a prerequisite to communication. language in my opinion is the potential interaction of one unit of consciousness with one or more other units of consciousness. i think this leads to communiation.

since all is conscious, all is a form of language and communication, obviously in incredible variations and combinations. is this how we learn? is this an essential scientific an divine element of experience and ascencion?

i'm beginning to realize that you must have a certain quality of compassion, which is the harmonic frequency of 4d. all densities exist at the same time, but only one is concentrated on, hence the densities. 2d is about emotional developement, which creates the need for companionship and family to survive. to transition, you have to develope a strong awareness of mental and intellectual capability to ascend to 3d. the densities "guide" us in earning/experiencing these concentrated energy frequencies.

so, you have to harness the awareness of compassion, which will be quite obvious when this begins to happen, like the time i went down stairs and randomly was attracted to a picture of my brother, which triggered memories of the pain he had growing up, and the empathy i felt fo him. i cried for about a 1/2 hour. i grew up with alcoholics, so crying is extremely difficult.
this was no coincidence. this is 4d energy of compassion/love in the 3d.

(i believe that w have memory complexes of energy stored in all of our different bodies that has been aquired through carnations. so even though i was born into a hellish scenario, i still am very aware of how powerful my emotions can be and in numerous ways and combinations, which i kno i didnt learn in this incarnation. i dont know if it is possible, imo to lose that memory due to karma, like the people of maldek; the planet of people who blew up their planet which is now the asteroid belt, according to the ra radings)

this is what i think is accurate.

[Pentanee]

i believe that ra stated that jesus was from the top of the 4th density when he came to earth to do his controversial mission. so we can maybe assume that what he did, others in 4d will also do. it is also noteworthy that he said: "you cannot put new wine in old wine skins because the new wine will wreck the wine skins and spill out until both are ruined." this is essentially what ra has corroborated.

the way i look at this problem is like a caterpillar in a cocoon, which dissolves into basic amino acids and then lets energy put him back together again as a butterfly. this is one of the greatest miracles of nature.

does the caterpillar die? or does it sleep it's way into a transformation? is this not the real meaning of jesus' words :you must be born again...( at 4th density?)

i pray every night
that i can live
to get some energy
and then i pray
that i can die
and wake up in 4d

[evolving]

i can't imagine people of a "higher d" being so fickle, prefering the appearences people in "3d" find attractive. if it's more about the mind, it's understandable that the mind moves past that. just as it was meant to..

it is not about being fickle. just as a child plays with new toys, one will play with their appearance. also, just as a child outgrows toys, so will you outgrow playing with your appearance. all are learning experiences.

[evolving]

i know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from ra... theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

there is no description because the reality will be that which the soul makes it, and each souls reality will, therefore, be different.

[twva]

i know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from ra... theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

questioner: thank you. is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?

ra: i am ra. we ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. we can only explain what is not and approximate what is. beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.

that which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. it is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. it is not of disharmony within self. it is not of disharmony within peoples. it is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=16&sc=1&ss=1#44

[Just Be]

does one need to be 'awakened' to ascend?

i believe the law of one states that the only requirement is that we are more of service to others. i also understand that when we ascend to 4d, life would still feel the same as before and many of us would not even realize we've ascended.

so if life isnt going to magically change before our eyes, and we are suppose to be preparing ourselves for ascension by opening our hearts to the light with each moment of our current lives....then how do others who are not awakened but are 51% 'service to others' going to make it into ascension w/o being in the state of fear?

for example, my husband has always been doing deeds for others more so than himself...as a matter of fact, he's one of the most giving person i have ever known. however, he is still blinding trusting the government and mass media, dumping toxicity from food and drugs into his body, and still not understanding how to trust his own intuition.

if he ascends, than wouldnt he be so confused and fearful of the unknown b/c he never really awakened?

[evolving]

does one need to be 'awakened' to ascend?

i believe the law of one states that the only requirement is that we are more of service to others. i also understand that when we ascend to 4d, life would still feel the same as before and many of us would not even realize we've ascended.

so if life isnt going to magically change before our eyes, and we are suppose to be preparing ourselves for ascension by opening our hearts to the light with each moment of our current lives....then how do others who are not awakened but are 51% 'service to others' going to make it into ascension w/o being in the state of fear?

for example, my husband has always been doing deeds for others more so than himself...as a matter of fact, he's one of the most giving person i have ever known. however, he is still blinding trusting the government and mass media, dumping toxicity from food and drugs into his body, and still not understanding how to trust his own intuition.

i believe ra said this most eloquently:

(http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1)

17 (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1).15 (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#15) questioner: i would like to make a point clear now that i am sure of myself. the people of this planet, following any religion or no religion at all, or having no intellectual knowledge at all of the law of one, can still be harvested into the fourth density if they are of that vibration. is that not correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct. however, you will find few who are harvestable whose radiance does not cause others to be aware of their, what you may call, spirituality, the quality of the mind/body/spirit complex distortion. thus, it is not particularly probable that an entity would be completely unknown to his immediate acquaintances as an unusually radiant personality, even were this individual not caught up in any of the distortions of your so-called religious systems.

if he ascends, than wouldnt he be so confused and fearful of the unknown b/c he never really awakened?

ascension does not just happen. there is the process prior to the rebirth :)

[Just Be]

hi evolving,

thanks for the response.
ascension does not just happen. there is the process prior to the rebirth

i just learned this morning from my husband that he doesnt read/watch politics as much anymore. this was a surprise to me since he has always been a news junkie. he said it was because it was all just too depressing.

he also recently been doing very well adhering to his new diet. of course, his version of 'healthy' is only relative to what it was before. he now eats commercially produced yogurt packed with sugar and preservatives as opposed to potato chips loaded with msg and trans fat like before.

although he is not truly 'awakened' to the reality of the conspiracies behind our government, news media, health agendas, etc. however, he is making progress in his own ways to being mentally and physically healthier.

does this mean..when the transition occurs, he'll make it ...but he will continue to be transforming at his own pace?

[evolving]

does this mean..when the transition occurs, he'll make it ...but he will continue to be transforming at his own pace?

all will "make it", but not the way you subscribe to thinking at current.

your husband, as will we all, will go towards the light of the one creator. the point at which he falls away from the path of the light will determine where his new placement will be. this is the part of the process to which i referred.

some children run straight where they are going, and some meander. there is no good or bad or right or wrong in it. it just is, as each is on their own path back to the one creator, in their own time and and their own way. allow him his way :) as he allows you yours :) love all for it is perfect in the eyes of the one creator.

[SometimesThere]

hey everyone, i also have a few questions i've been wondering about for a while:

i've heard some people say that before you enter 4d, you have to go to another place first - like a waiting room, i guess. i'm curious about this 'waiting room'. when there, is that where we are split into those who are harvestable, and those you aren't? or is this 'waiting room' (sorry, i don't know the correct term :o ) a preception of the reality we are in now? and how long will be waiting for?

once we reach 4d will it seem to be a replica of the reality we live in now? is it only with time will we realise, 'hey! this ain't 3d, it's 4d!'

also, i heard there was different 'levels' of 4d, could anyone please explain these levels to me? is there much a difference between the levels?

thanks :)

[QandA]

hey i don't know if many people have thought about this before, but when ra describes the fourth density he says it is not spacetime, it's timespace. since here in spacetime we have 3 dimensions of space in which to travel and 1 dimension of time to travel (past -> future), timespace has 3 dimensional time and 1 dimensional space. so 3 dimensional time is quite a leap for our measly consciousness' to comprehend, so i'll assume only that that implies some sort of time travel capability...

1 dimensional space must mean that you exist as a singularity of some sort. a lone sphere of consciousness which projects a 3dimensional (or 4dimensional? who knows) world hologram around their perceived body/sphere. like say your consciousness is the light of a projector, projecting whatever you'd like to see/experience, whilst playing around with time of course :d. or, could a single dimensional time experience be like an uncontrolled course from a to b, spatially. as in, say, the orbit of a planet. you are born, and you're moving away from life source, literally, on your way to your death.

[evolving]

hey everyone, i also have a few questions i've been wondering about for a while:

i've heard some people say that before you enter 4d, you have to go to another place first - like a waiting room, i guess. i'm curious about this 'waiting room'. when there, is that where we are split into those who are harvestable, and those you aren't?

once we reach 4d will it seem to be a replica of the reality we live in now? is it only with time will we realise, 'hey! this ain't 3d, it's 4d!'

also, i heard there was different 'levels' of 4d, could anyone please explain these levels to me? is there much a difference between the levels?


there is no precise clarity on the process. from what i have read of ra, there will be three densities helping in the process, which is a great honor for them. mind/body/spirit complexes that are ready to ascend and have already attained the required polarization will remain (those with duel activated bodies), though the form will change, ie to heavier density bodies, and the 3rd density bodies will simply, to put it as so we can understand it, phase shift away; so will the mind/bodies of those that are not clearly ready, and those spirits will move to the light and fall away as per their ability to withstand the light. at the falling away from the light, each will be placed according to it's spiritual evolution, for sto complex this will be either back on earth (4d) or on another planet (3d). sts complex will all be moved to other places, whether it be 3d or 4d, as earth will used for 1,2, and 4d.

the "waiting room" you speak of would be for those that will be reflecting/healing on their 3d experiences, and preparing for return to earth or a cycle elsewhere.

earth will "reset" itself, and though largely unchanged, there will be much less "clutter". technology, buildings, plastics, alloys, etc, etc etc etcwill no longer be part of earths vibration.

the levels are infinite, just as they are infinite in 3d. we do not see or recognize them here, so it is also of no consequence to understand them in 4d while in 3d.



hey i don't know if many people have thought about this before, but when ra describes the fourth density he says it is not spacetime, it's timespace. since here in spacetime we have 3 dimensions of space in which to travel and 1 dimension of time to travel (past -> future), timespace has 3 dimensional time and 1 dimensional space. so 3 dimensional time is quite a leap for our measly consciousness' to comprehend, so i'll assume only that that implies some sort of time travel capability...

1 dimensional space must mean that you exist as a singularity of some sort. a lone sphere of consciousness which projects a 3dimensional (or 4dimensional? who knows) world hologram around their perceived body/sphere. like say your consciousness is the light of a projector, projecting whatever you'd like to see/experience, whilst playing around with time of course :d. or, could a single dimensional time experience be like an uncontrolled course from a to b, spatially. as in, say, the orbit of a planet. you are born, and you're moving away from life source, literally, on your way to your death.

time/space "movement" is thought based. you think of the location where you want to be and there you are. time is multi-dimensional, so you can move around in it while at the location you have thought to be at.

[NegaNova]

alright so, i have been reading the law of one and am now at like.. session 76, so i'm not sure if they continue in gaining information regarding the whole idea of a social memory complex but it's definitely one of the topics i'm most interested in since we are going into fourth density, and a social memory complex is one attribute of this reality.

anyways.. i was curious, does anyone have any idea how a social memory complex might be formed? i know ra talks about how on some very rare occasions a social memory complex has been achieved in third density, but i don't remember any information explaining how this was done. is it through technology, or some form of telepathy?

also, i'm open to anyone's theories into this idea. i find it very fascinating lol.

[Perseus]

personally from my own journey and experiences i believe awakening into 4d is all about opening up to love and compassion for others as well as ourselves. this is all relative to the heart chakra and when we do this with regard to others and the earth we are vibrating in green ray/ 4d.

people are becoming more aware of energy in the healing sense as well as increased abilities and awareness in clair-sentience, cogniscence,audience and voyance. although these labels may not be recognised.

[Sam Womelsdorf]

hi neganova. with regards to a social memory complex forming, would not the akashic records or the christ consciousness grid be related subjects worth investigating/contemplating?

[NegaNova]

hi neganova. with regards to a social memory complex forming, would not the akashic records or the christ consciousness grid be related subjects worth investigating/contemplating?

to be honest, i'm not very familiar at all with the akashic records or the christ consciousness grid. i've heard of the akashic records, but i never bothered to look into it. do you think you could expand?

[clairead]

to be honest, i'm not very familiar at all with the akashic records or the christ consciousness grid. i've heard of the akashic records, but i never bothered to look into it. do you think you could expand?

hi neganova,
my understanding is that the social memory complex is a 'race memory' and an 'agreed upon space-time concensus reality'. someone please correct me if i am wrong.

the akashic record is the record of all lives on all planets in all densities in the physical plane and 'above' - think of the hall of records in 'defending your life' only moreso. it contains not only what was actually done but all of the possibilities. it is available in all upper density constructs to anyone.

peace and love,
kelly

[eagleye]

a social memory complex, in the context of what you are asking, is a state of expanded consciousness reached through a melding together of seeming separate mind/body/spirit complexes or entities to think, feel, and act as one entity. the melding eventually becomes complete so that they view their perception as only one being. this being is more powerful and less distorted in its perception, although the elements of the original mind/spirit complexes are not lost but added to through the combination of the knowledge, thoughts, and experiences of the individual beings. this could be thousands, millions or even billions of separate entities. at that point the entity does have the ability to release individual parts of itself back to the state of the individual mind/body/spirit complexes, such as for the purpose of sending a wanderer to incarnate in the aid to those who call for help. when the wanderer is done with its incarnate third density life it can then recombine back into the mind of the social memory complex so that its experiences in third density become those of the whole. the social memory complex has a social memory or shared “group memory”.

a completely melded social memory complex basically consists of an entire planetary society that have lived and evolved together over a very long period of time while working toward common goals. the goals could be either for service to self or service to others. the beings living on such a planet eventually become so harmonious in their thinking and actions that they eventually choose to meld together in order to evolve spiritually and continue on their journey back to the oneness of consciousness. all beings will eventually get to this point. entities from forth density onward are completely telepathic and this is the way it is achieved. it is possible to become telepathic in this way in a positive late third density planet, but it is very rare to achieve the kind of harmony needed to form a social memory complex. it is mainly a forth density phenomenon although it does rarely occur on some planets in the third density. here is a quote to show this:

questioner: is it possible for a third-density planet to form a social memory complex which operates in third-density?

ra: i am ra. it is possible only in the latter or seventh portion of such a density when entities are harmoniously readying for graduation.

questioner: could you give me an example of a planet of this nature, both a third-density service-to-others type and a third-density service-to-self type at this level of attainment?

ra: i am ra. as far as we are aware there are no negatively oriented third-density social memory complexes. positively oriented social memory complexes of third-density are not unheard of but quite rare. however, an entity from the star sirius’ planetary body has approached this planetary body twice. this entity is late third-density and is part of a third-density social memory complex. this has been referred to in the previous material. the social memory complex is properly a fourth-density phenomenon.


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[eagleye]

i will also provide some quotes where ra explains the social memory complex:


questioner: at what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

ra: i am ra. a mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. the group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then becomes known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. the advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.

questioner: when i am communicating with you as ra, are you at times individualized as an entity or am i speaking to an entire social memory complex?

ra: i am ra. you speak with ra. there is no separation. you would call it social memory complex thus indicating many-ness. to our understanding, you are speaking to an individualized portion of consciousness.

here is a quote among many others that show there are both negative and positive social memory complexes:

ra: “it should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the law of one is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. the laws, which are the primal distortions of the law of one, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. all learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.”

here is a quote from ra where the definition of social memory complex becomes more clear. in describing the elder race ra shows that a social memory complex is a melding and a complete unification of the planetary entities thoughts, feelings, and motives.

questioner: i ask this question because i have heard of the elder race before in a book, road in the sky, by george hunt williamson, and i was wondering if this elder race was the same that he talked about?

ra: i am ra. the question now resolves itself, for we have spoken previously of the manner of decision-making which caused these entities to remain here upon the closing of the second major cycle of your current master cycle. there are some distortions in the descriptions of the one known as michel; however, these distortions have to do primarily with the fact that these entities are not a social memory complex, but rather a group of mind/body/spirit complexes dedicated to service. these entities work together, but are not completely unified; thus, they do not completely see each the other’s thoughts, feelings, and motives. however, their desire to serve is the fourth-dimensional type of desire, thus melding them into what you may call a brotherhood.


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[eagleye]

here is a quote showing that a social memory complex becomes a separate entity:

ra: “therefore, as is the case of the breakings of the quarantine, the entity who was helping the south american entities along the south american ways you call in part the amazon river went before the council of saturn to request a second attempt to correct in person the distortions which had occurred in their plans. this having been granted, this entity or social memory complex returned and the entity chosen as messenger came among the peoples once more to correct the errors.”

here are more quotes showing that after becoming a social memory complex the entity still has the ability to function as either a separate mind/body/spirit complex or as an entire social memory complex up to the point of sixth density. the sixth density harvest is dependent on functioning as a social memory complex:

questioner: then the big difference in harvestability between third and fourth density is that at the end of the third density the individual is harvested as a function of individual violet ray, but it is the violet-ray for the entire social memory complex that must be of a harvestable nature to graduate to the fifth density. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is correct although in fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.

questioner: then is sixth-density harvest strictly of a social memory complex nature because again we have wisdom and compassion blended back using wisdom?

ra: i am ra. this is quite correct.

here is a quote showing the progression from where we are now as mind/body/spirit complexes all the way back to the creator. it shows that the social memory complex is at the middle stage of this progression in understanding. the last stage is when you become a totality.

questioner: in previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?

ra: i am ra. there is a dimension in which time does not have sway. in this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the one creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.

if you really want to get your mind in a knot then read this quote:

questioner: does each entity have an individual mind/body/spirit complex totality or do a number of entities share the same mind/body/spirit complex totality?

ra: i am ra. both of these statements are correct given the appropriate time/space conditions. each entity has its totality and at the point at which a planetary entity becomes a social memory complex the totality of this union of entities also has its oversoul and its social memory complex totality as resource. as always, the sum, spiritually speaking, is greater than the sum of its parts so that the oversoul of a social memory complex is not the sum of the oversouls of its member entities but operates upon the way of what we have called squares and what we grasp you prefer to call doubling.

you don’t really have to understand it completely to get the basic idea of both the social memory complex and the totalities. what is happening with these meldings of the seeming separate entities and different versions of the same entities in parallel universes, is the ability to see and perceive other selves as your self. this is what oneness is all about. when you get to a certain point of clarity in this perception you begin to gain what ra calls spiritual mass in the seventh density. it is a momentum of understanding that continues to build until you eventually expand your consciousness back to infinity. you become the one.

here is a quote to that discusses some of what i have just explained above:

ra: “however, the distortion of free will causes the social memory complex to appear as a possibility at a certain stage of evolution of mind. the purpose, or consideration which causes entities to form such complexes, of these social memory complex, is a very simple extension of the basic distortion towards the creator’s knowing of itself, for when a group of mind/body/spirits becomes able to form a social memory complex, all experience of each entity is available to the whole of the complex. thus the creator knows more of its creation in each entity partaking of this communion of entities.”

there is a lot more that could be explained about a social memory complex such as the progressions they go through in the process of forming this complex, or the differences of how a negative verses a positive social memory complex forms, but this post is already way to long. i will leave that for another time. i feel that i have sufficiently explained what it is.

i hope that helps for those asking questions about this. :)

[Zinc sombrero]

as regards the transition to 4d it would pay not to have any definite ideas about what happens. its ok to research the subject or talk about it though . if you have too strong a belief about what happens you could be creating a sort of stumbling block that needs to be overcome to fully utilize 4d life. i'm sure that when the time comes everything will fall into place. as a disclaimer i should point out that i usually leave things to the last minute so keep that in mind.

[clairead]

here is a quote showing that a social memory complex becomes a separate entity:

...you don’t really have to understand it completely to get the basic idea of both the social memory complex and the totalities. what is happening with these meldings of the seeming separate entities and different versions of the same entities in parallel universes, is the ability to see and perceive other selves as your self. this is what oneness is all about....
i hope that helps for those asking questions about this. :)

thank you eagleye for this lucid explanation. it was very helpful. that was a lot of work to bring together the material and it is much appreciated.

peace and love,
kelly

[NegaNova]

well. that was awesome lol. thanks a lot, friends. that was far beyond what i expected as a response, and this was quite helpful. also, i understand that these points, and even ra's words are moreso guidelines, and the reality of it all is usually quite different than what we expect, but this subject is fascinating to me, and i love love the concept of any sort of telepathy, so yeah. thanks again. i wish you all the best, and i'm glad we have this community and connection!

i'm just.. so grateful right now hahaha. eff this is sweet. :d

[MarkM]

for me a key to helping comprehend the concept of the social memory complex is to keep in mind that there is really only one of us here. according to the ra those who polarize either positive or negative in the 3d earth-sphere will begin the process (in 4d) of forming a social memory complex.

thus we have the concept of a planet's worth of polarizing humanity (for the sake of this convo, let's focus on those polarizing positive) somehow conjoining and becoming as one 'individual', comprising and eclipsing the sum total of the life experience of it's constituent parts (people).

a difficulty some folks may have with this concept is concern that their personal beingness will somehow be submerged or swallowed up by the collective social memory complex, a sort of 'discontinuity' of their personal identity, now being swallowed up forever in a kind of existential dissolving of self and deference to the greater commune of the higher density being which is the smc.

this is a normal and understandable concern of those who tackle the law of one, and an all too human response which is based in the natural survival instinct of the species. we all identify with the passing human ego, and wrestle to some extent with the fear of discontinuity of our selves.

however, one may be well advised to consider that insofar as there is only one of us here, it may well be that the selfness of anyone of us seemingly separate souls might well be able to smoothly continue in an unbroken manner to eventually identify with and actually be the oversoul of the smc, in the sense of having adopted the beingness of all other 'members' of the smc within our personal beingness. kinda like the drop absorbing the ocean, rather than the ocean absorbing the drop!

so here we have the concept of each of us, paradoxically, staying as ourselves (albeit a more aware self with all other selves in the group serving to be differing aspects of self) yet with all other members enjoying the same benefit - having not been absorbed, and also enjoying the benefit of all other members being aspects of themselves! here we truly get into the meat of the reality of oneness from the perspective of the 3d mind.

as you look at your neighbour and consider the hard to grasp concept of this person actually being you in another range of experiencing, you may well feel the wonder, beauty and love associated with this absolutely incredible realization.

every individual literally represents you, and all their perceived faults and miscues indicates that you are potentially prone to each and every instance of subjective error, evil, virtue, saintliness, artistic and musical talent, genius, stupidity, murderousness, and anything that has ever been done by others - because it has been you all along doing everything in history in the guise of other people.

the idea of the smc indicates a state of having gotten past recrimination and relative comparing ourselves to others - into such a state of forgiveness of others and outward seeming circumstance - that we actually get to experience oneness to the point of literally sharing selfness with all other members of the smc. we have achieved a state of unconditional love whereby there is no longer a reason to hold other selves as being apart and separate individuals. selfhood - rather than having been extinguished and absorbed, has been only greatly enhanced and enriched by having become your neighbours.

here, the illusion of separateness has given away to a more real and less distorted sense of self, as you have only gained immeasurably by finally giving way to total unconditional love, thus becoming the native reality that your neighbours really are/were varying aspects of you, all along. nothing of self is lost, everything of self is gained. :) mark

[abysmaltouch]

with regards to the title, "awakening into 4d"

....could this be happening now?

[Echo]

from the questions thread:



i anticipate that there will be some moments of amazing awakening in our first while in fourth density. it could be that we use the spoken word only, at the beginning. we will notice some huge synchronicities, as in "wow, you just said exactly what i was thinking!"

possibly our fourth density abilities will kick in only gradually and gently, in a similar way that awakening here happens at a rate we can handle, and so not to transgress our free will. i expect that a tenet of fourth density life will be that eventually all our thoughts, feelings, memories, in fact our entire being will be easily and completely perceivable to others in 4d, but maybe won't kick in immediately so as to not shock us.

do you think there will be a gradual period of orientation upon arrival in 4d, perhaps like an academy of familiarization for learning to work with our new abilities? a place where we learn to materialize that pretty little swiss chalet in the mountains that we've always wanted? do you imagine that there will be teachers and guides there waiting for us, maybe even a pre-existing infrastructure of sorts to aid in our transition? may we possibly retain our perception of linear time at first as well as a third dimensional view of space? or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?

i can't help but have these questions in my mind, even as ra was very guarded about describing 4d.

we will not be able to keep information from each other in 4d thus there will be no lies thus we will all know what everyone else knows we will all be enlightened to powers that david wilcock mentions in his documentation and website. good times are coming ! :d:d:d:d

[MikeSirius]

a little off topic but reading that gengis khan, my favorite hero/vilain, reincarnated as a shipping clerk just ma me laugh and smile for so long today. it makes sense but the idea of the khan now working in a wharehouse is so funny in many ways.
hopefully, he does not remember his previous lives !
:p
ok i ll keep reading the loo

[transiten]

my goodness!

as a scorpio i surely don't want everybody to instantly know what i'm thinking:eek: i want some privacy at least even if in 4d all our thoughts will be kind and polite:rolleyes:

tansiten

[clairead]

nope, sorry transiten :). but it won't matter. :d. anyway this is what i have experienced when i did a little foray into the first day. it's really very beautiful. nothing to fear about 'nothing you can know that isn't known, nothing you can see see that isn't shown' because we've all 'been there.' there's just love and acceptance.
peace and love,
kelly

[noppy]

i hope i don't have to go to school or to work anymore in 4d :p but just do what i and my soul want to do toghter. she is wandering even more than i, it's about time i make a friendship with my soul again. and from that a friendship with god.

[Perseus]

i have had some conscious experiences where by my mind has filled with golden light just before christmas, it felt really amazing. as well as experiences of time distortions and more sensitive to other people and places.

had a dream back in 2007 where i was hit by a wave of energy and i was all of a sudden in a vibrant buzzing nature earth reality, could float and fly, communication was telepathic. from what david has mentioned this may have been a pecognition of a possible 4d or maybe 5d reality. :confused:

[Psion 3-K]

i believe humanity's evolution into the next dimension will be super, super slow. i doubt i will even feel the full effect of it even in my lifetime. the reason for this is because humanity is a very fragile, fear ruled race. if we throw the frog into hot water, so to speak, we may just decide to fire the missiles one night instead of accepting a massive and sudden change. the way things are now there are too many people hiding terrible secrets and outright evil from others that it would cause chaos for this to happen overnight.

i would be willing to bet that in maybe 100-300 years humanity will begin to truly appear as a 4d society. maybe in 10 years we will begin to see some moderate changes in the ways people interact with each other, but the type of changes we are talking about are ones that would cause catastrophe if they occurred all at once. that's also why i think the 2012 event shouldn't be trusted as a sudden transformation point. it's probably just the point in time when the 4d energy will be the most powerful and will not go back down again like it always has.

[Agon]

i believe humanity's evolution into the next dimension will be super, super slow. i doubt i will even feel the full effect of it even in my lifetime. the reason for this is because humanity is a very fragile, fear ruled race. if we throw the frog into hot water, so to speak, we may just decide to fire the missiles one night instead of accepting a massive and sudden change. the way things are now there are too many people hiding terrible secrets and outright evil from others that it would cause chaos for this to happen overnight.

i would be willing to bet that in maybe 100-300 years humanity will begin to truly appear as a 4d society. maybe in 10 years we will begin to see some moderate changes in the ways people interact with each other, but the type of changes we are talking about are ones that would cause catastrophe if they occurred all at once. that's also why i think the 2012 event shouldn't be trusted as a sudden transformation point. it's probably just the point in time when the 4d energy will be the most powerful and will not go back down again like it always has.
maybe every soul on this earth will take roughly 300 years to evolutionize as a whole, but i can guarantee you on the date of december 21, 2012, we will disclose(even maybe before this date) the very fabric existence of other life on other planets.

nostradamus was a clever man, and had accurate readings. he knew there was going to be a secrecy of control of the world; the illuminati believe highly of numerology.

nostradamus stated there will be 3 world wars. hmm, thats odd.. we've only had two so far.. if all of us are going ascend, when will we face this 3rd world war?

the next two years my friend, we will have a 3rd world war.
do not fear though, alas will come the management of our earth making sure it doesn't go over the edge.

we need the industrial industry to control. it's needed as a part of learning.

we will all see, when the earth looks to be at it's worse hell-hole, light will come; we will be shown in a way that none of us can be scared.

they won't drop in through the sky and shoot laser beams at the white house.

it will be in a way where none of us feel the intention of harm.

you will see..we will all see as the the great pyramid of giza has been correct as the timeline in it shows, there will be an extremely rough time from 2009-2013.

we will although, have our chance to climb up our rocky fall, and ascend with greatness and oneness with our light bodies and consciousness.

[moderator: please remember this is the loo thread about how we turn into 4d. pyramids and nostradamus is veering off-subject. thanks]

[12thUranus]

the loo gives many indications that the earth will shift into 4d instantly at a given time.

as to the earth 4d:

ra: you must see the earth, as you call it, as being seven earths. there is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call earth. during the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth-density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

i also found an indication that we may eat meat in 4d.

ra: i am ra. this is incorrect. the fourth-density being desires to serve and the preparation of foodstuffs is extremely simple due to increased communion between entity and living foodstuff. therefore, this is not a significant catalyst but rather a simple precondition of the space/time experience. the catalyst involved is the necessity for the ingestion of foodstuffs. this is not considered to be of importance by fourth-density entities and it, therefore, aids in the teach/learning of patience.

i'd like to know what housing will be like, and what exactly "simply preparation" of foodstuffs really means. if 4d earth is an outer layer in the sky, i'm even more interested in what 2d (orange activated) entities will look like. and what happens to our yellow energy chakra when we are in our light-activated bipedal 4d bodies? also, is a beehive a good comparison to what 4d life/society is like? what do you think?

i'm kinda hoping i'm a 5d wanderer that gets to return to 5d in 2012 :cool:

[Psion 3-K]

@ agon

i don't see it happening with all those fireworks, honestly. you could argue that the amount of terrorism and general unrest is the world war you're talking about. people have a tendency to love some drama though and to me, 2012 will be a year like any other. but i still remain neutral; this is just what i believe is the most likely. i won't discount anything, though. my problem with all these 2012 type prophecies is that people have been saying some kind of major rapture like event is going to happen on x date for the longest time. when it doesn't happen then, they pick another day and so on and so forth...

i respect wilcock's work and all but humanity simply cannot handle this type of massive and sudden change. it would kill us faster than any war unless it plays out in an extremely specific way. if that's the case, it would probably infringe upon free will though because in order to get such a result, some people would probably have to be manipulated. so i'm not buying the 2012 ascension by default idea but like i said, this site and wilcock's work is very noteworthy and has indeed helped me a good bit. regardless of what some civilization said some hundreds of years ago, i intend to be the catalyst for my own ascension. i don't need some special, oogey boogey prophesy to ascend me.

i think it would be wise for people to take a leaf from this book as getting distracted in this type of drama could keep you from seeking your higher self. that's my take on it...

[Agon]

@ agon

i don't see it happening with all those fireworks, honestly. you could argue that the amount of terrorism and general unrest is the world war you're talking about. people have a tendency to love some drama though and to me, 2012 will be a year like any other. but i still remain neutral; this is just what i believe is the most likely. i won't discount anything, though. my problem with all these 2012 type prophecies is that people have been saying some kind of major rapture like event is going to happen on x date for the longest time. when it doesn't happen then, they pick another day and so on and so forth...

i respect wilcock's work and all but humanity simply cannot handle this type of massive and sudden change. it would kill us faster than any war unless it plays out in an extremely specific way. if that's the case, it would probably infringe upon free will though because in order to get such a result, some people would probably have to be manipulated. so i'm not buying the 2012 ascension by default idea but like i said, this site and wilcock's work is very noteworthy and has indeed helped me a good bit. regardless of what some civilization said some hundreds of years ago, i intend to be the catalyst for my own ascension. i don't need some special, oogey boogey prophesy to ascend me.

i think it would be wise for people to take a leaf from this book as getting distracted in this type of drama could keep you from seeking your higher self. that's my take on it...
well there's been a 1st world war, and 2nd world war, both taken many upon many lives. they've been categorized as ww1 and ww2, but nothing has taken the title for ww3.


you also have to realize, you have your free will. you are allowed to think, act, and feel the way you want upon a situation. there is no "right" way of something, metaphorically speaking.

i believe with evidence that i've seen, et's, ufo's, nasa descriptions and video's, that we are not alone. i'm not going to sit here thick-headed and think were just an atom of a grain of sand in an ocean meant for no purpose at all.

that's what i love about this; we have free will. if you think the situation is far-fetched and not going to happen, nothing will happen. it's your illusion. we are all intertwined into this massive intersect illusion of ourselfs on living and growth.

obviously there is a possibility of nothing happen, and ascending means also seeing both sides of the apple.

closed-minded is a negative aspect, if you can sit there and hear both sides of the story and take both parts and make a conclusion, your job is done.

2012 for you, will be another year. in the news on that day, i'm sure it will say the whole day that the date was a hoax.

i'm glad i'll be well gone-after forgiving and accepting what we've done to our mother earth, and will ascend into the light with those many on this earth who are ready aswell.

[Psion 3-K]

@agon

i'm just saying that i don't need 2012 to do anything for me at all. i'm on my path of evolution regardless of what the world does. if 2012 acts as some kind of catalyst to my process, then that would be great. but i'm not going to count on that and so will continue to do my higher work regardless of what may happen. i will have my ascension one way or the other. in fact, i've already experienced it at times. but it disturbs me that so many people want another world war and that somehow means we are ultimately going to be going to higher places. haven't we been doing this to ourselves long enough? can't people see how stupid that is?

i'm not trying to criticize you or anything; i respect what you have to say. my stance is that i'm being proactive now and maybe that means 2012 will do something for me, but i don't think about it too much. as of right now i have a wide range of duties that require energy i cannot spend on thinking too much of a potential possibility. i will create my possibilities/opportunities as i am the god of my own inner reality and no one else is. my intent is to bring the peace within out into the world and i know i will succeed.

it really sickens me how we must have to have world war iii to ultimately ascend. it doesn't have to be this way! why, why, why are we so fixated on such grim absurdities? this is a choice people in all their obsessions with drama are making and it does not have to happen. one of the greatest things i'm doing is trying to prevent this insanity from coming about. i'm typing this with a lot of passion when i say that the human race can easily change its course at any time. it could have done that a thousand years ago but fear has consistently won out.

for the sake of the entire mission of divine cosmos and the work of david, can we please, please move away from the notion that a cataclysm just has to happen? we can choose a better path with a flick of the wrist. all it will take is for the awakened people to start laying that foundation and others will soon follow. we have more power than the fear mongers will ever have, so please, for the love of all our divinity, let's stop obsessing about how we must kill more of our own kind for ascension. this makes no sense and is the root sponsoring thought of the paradigm of insanity man has always lived...

i mean no disrespect by any of this. i'm just tired of hearing the whole inevitability of war even within the enlightened community. please note that i mean this very, very specifically. we do not have to be at the whims of what other people are planning. with the awakened power we wield, we could eradicate and grind into dust all of these intentions so easily. it just takes the choice. that is all.

[Agon]

@agon

i'm just saying that i don't need 2012 to do anything for me at all. i'm on my path of evolution regardless of what the world does. if 2012 acts as some kind of catalyst to my process, then that would be great. but i'm not going to count on that and so will continue to do my higher work regardless of what may happen. i will have my ascension one way or the other. in fact, i've already experienced it at times. but it disturbs me that so many people want another world war and that somehow means we are ultimately going to be going to higher places. haven't we been doing this to ourselves long enough? can't people see how stupid that is?

i'm not trying to criticize you or anything; i respect what you have to say. my stance is that i'm being proactive now and maybe that means 2012 will do something for me, but i don't think about it too much. as of right now i have a wide range of duties that require energy i cannot spend on thinking too much of a potential possibility. i will create my possibilities/opportunities as i am the god of my own inner reality and no one else is. my intent is to bring the peace within out into the world and i know i will succeed.

it really sickens me how we must have to have world war iii to ultimately ascend. it doesn't have to be this way! why, why, why are we so fixated on such grim absurdities? this is a choice people in all their obsessions with drama are making and it does not have to happen. one of the greatest things i'm doing is trying to prevent this insanity from coming about. i'm typing this with a lot of passion when i say that the human race can easily change its course at any time. it could have done that a thousand years ago but fear has consistently won out.

for the sake of the entire mission of divine cosmos and the work of david, can we please, please move away from the notion that a cataclysm just has to happen? we can choose a better path with a flick of the wrist. all it will take is for the awakened people to start laying that foundation and others will soon follow. we have more power than the fear mongers will ever have, so please, for the love of all our divinity, let's stop obsessing about how we must kill more of our own kind for ascension. this makes no sense and is the root sponsoring thought of the paradigm of insanity man has always lived...

i mean no disrespect by any of this. i'm just tired of hearing the whole inevitability of war even within the enlightened community. please note that i mean this very, very specifically. we do not have to be at the whims of what other people are planning. with the awakened power we wield, we could eradicate and grind into dust all of these intentions so easily. it just takes the choice. that is all.

you are thinking of our world and humans as free ones free-willingly going on with this world war.

that is incorrect. past our government is another higher form of a society which controls the world. hard to think this is possible considering it doesn't look like it and it's not on the news.

it's the secrecy they hold; they are the ones pushing for a ww3. they do not care for the lives of this planet; they are filled with negativity and control.

i know there will be a ww3. why am i so sure and not angry? well, i'm also sure that et's will come. they are already in management of this world making sure it doesn't crumble.

i read in an article that in the u.s military icbm missile testing, that right before launch of the 10 missiles, all of the missiles itself went obsolete. nothing else in the station went off, but the missiles. they have done extensive research on this anomaly, and have come to conclude they only way that this could happen was through an emp and nothing we have in technology today would of done that(especially to the u.s military).

this goes to show you the power of our ufo's. our et's are watching and waiting for the day. they too, know it's going to happen. don't fear though. there will be a mass world-wide nuclear war at stake threatening the very existence of humans in total.

we need this to help us ascend though. we need to see, through help from our higher selfs and et's that the way we have treated our planet and become so materialistic is such a bad way of living. we will expose how our planet is really been controlled.

that the illuminati has been taken us hostage(without us knowing) since 1936 and done so secretly to control and brainwash the minds of our people.

just wait; don't fear-live and love all and you will not be harmed.

[clairead]

with the awakened power we wield, we could eradicate and grind into dust all of these intentions so easily. it just takes the choice. that is all.

yikes! that is a very domineering statement, whether it's trying to be 'positive' [i.e. anti-war] or not. very bad juju! it's like 'hating the man', if you get that 60s reference. it's becoming what are protesting, in an energetic sense. 'there is no way to peace. peace is the way.' that means internally as well.

the tranition of this planet will happen no matter what the humans are doing; individual ascension (where people go) depends on what the individual is personally doing. full stop.

peace,
claire

[Psion 3-K]

@agon

i have been doing a lot of work for the earth but it is only as effective as the will of the planet lets it be, though. i can do a whole suite of things but i never have any intent for it to be effective if it is not sanctioned by the higher guidance of the earth as a whole. but what is the illuminati anyways? are they really, like i said, some kind of council of black magicians whom have pacts with the lower realms? i know it's said that hitler was very involved in a variety of occult practices.

it wouldn't surprise me if the illuminati is wielding a type of power that goes beyond the norm. i've heard that behind the scenes during wwii there were two opposing factions of magicians whom were directing currents of energy so specifically and that is why things happened the way they did. tampering with these types of energies is extremely dangerous because the karmic backlash it causes is worse than anything you can do physically. it really puts us further from achieving a 4d state but i'm still convinced that wwiii does not have to happen.

we simply have to counteract their negative influences with positive ones. if you throw water on a fire, it will go out. they may be behaving in occult ways but the awakened soul is very capable of using the positive side of those energies to effect a better future. of course, i'm just a candle in the sun, so to speak. i may wish for things to be a certain way but if the world feels helpless to stop the onslaught against our higher realms, then that's that. i'll get to where i'm going either way, i just want a pleasant physical reality to compliment the pleasant inner reality i am creating.

@clairead

i wasn't trying to sound domineering. i do, however, feel like the people with the most dominantly peaceful states should be the ones dictating the direction of the world. it just so happens that so many of those whom are awakened haven't found out how to prevent the negative forces from controlling things. i don't mean this in any way to suggest that there should be an uprising or something absurd like that. i just feel like there's something the peaceful and awakened people of the world are missing.

if everyone was at their full potential the environment to foster hatred and negativity wouldn't exist and thus the struggle paradigm would vanish. also i don't want to sound like i'm downplaying the achievements of others whom are awakened. once there is a certain critical mass of awakened energy, then the circumstances for such terrible anguish will not exist in the first place. the way i see it right now is that many people are still in the process of waking up. this means that we still have a ways to go before this energy becomes self sustaining and persistent.

as of now there is a self sustaining and persistent energy but it is one of fear and general negativity. my goal is to banish that and give people the opportunity to grow, but never to force it upon anyone. i would compare it to me giving away a specific set of tools for someone to fix something with yet they do not have to take them. the choice ultimately has to be theirs to make.

@the forum in general

so ets may be helping us, that's great. if they are it's only because we are awakened enough for them to do so. it always sounds to me that they rigorously adhere to a noninterference doctrine, but apparently a certain percentage of the population has become enough like them that they can start lending a hand. my final word on the wwiii thing is, like i said, that no matter what forces are involved, it does not have to happen. period. darkness never prevails when a light is turned on. if we as awakened individuals can insure that there is enough light to spread around in the coming years, we will be able to avoid wwiii.

all it will take is to never lose sight of the higher realms and you will automatically be spreading that light. i refuse to be told that there is an inevitable war coming because we already have enough healing to do after 2,000+ years of that insanity. but, once again, i'm just a single led flash light pointed at the flood lights, so i'll only succeed if everyone else desires to ultimately avoid the final conflict. no one here will ever convince me that a tiny group of people can wield enough power to turn away all attempts of the directed awakened souls to prevent wwiii. it makes no sense from a quantum physical standpoint.

does anyone here really want to be made to look so helpless when indeed there is potential to use a creative force millions of times greater than what the sorcerers are manipulating? the only problem is that the good guys are not as focused as they could be...

okay, i may have started to ramble on there for a bit, but i think i've made myself as clear as i can with these extremely limited devices called words. i hope people see what i'm trying to say.

[MarkM]

i'd like to add to this convo the suggestion that perhaps everything happening here is proceeding in perfect accordance with the plan of our friendly neighbourhood sub-logos - and that's not to say that awakening souls don't have a crucial role to play when it comes to issues of the ongoing 'battle for souls'.

we all naturally - from the standpoint of our 3d selves - have some emotional attachment to the outcome. pos types want to see as many folk as possible polarize positiive, and also to see enough of us turn our intent and focusing towards manifesting a more peaceful and pleasant world that such potentialities as wwiii and such are relegated to some other, non-potentiated timeline. all good!

a point to consider perhaps is that - as clairead suggests, focusing on the conditions we would rather do without may tend to perpetuate said conditions. it's possible that our true potential as first class student creators is dependant - in its becoming - upon the complete acceptance and gratitude for all potentialities in 3d, as everything that does eventually transpire here is always for the purpose of providing us all with just what we need to progress as a people.

honestly, this thread may be better served from a hyper-dimensional standpoint by allowing the bigger picture to reign supreme. earthlings are a difficult bunch, to be sure, yet nothing which happens here is anything less than the perfect manifestation of the full power of the cosmos acting with infinite love/wisdom in the natural path of evolution. nothing which happens or may happen here has any true intrinsic faculty of something having gone wrong in any sense.

this thread is intended to allow a platform for visualizing and discussing not only life as it may be in 4d, but also to visualize and discuss our potential to render the neg influences into something uninfluential... not by tending along the lines of delineating and avoiding neg potentialities, but by accepting all that stuff as being necessary and ultimately beneficial and leaving it at that - one of the best kept secrets and perhaps one of the most crucial yet ephemeral things about all this is that the creative potential of all of us is predicated upon having intent along with full gratitude and pre-thankfulness for the manifesting of better conditions with no quarter being given to any conceivable roadblock.

to continually conjure up the negs and to build an ascension or polarizing strategy based upon what seems to be necessary to overcome misses the mark, imo. it has never been about overcoming anything, rather about accepting that all that ****e is there and its okay for it to be there... and again, leaving it at that; personally and collectively.

a lightworker's role perhaps may be best fulfilled by merely by finding the love in any conceivable situation with full acceptance of the necessity for the world to be as it is, merely praying that all the world (and her peoples) gets it's divine due with faith that all that happens here is divinely ordained for the purpose of ultimate enlightenment, and moving from that straight into the work and intent of acting as conduits of light/love into the earth-realm as a whole.

if the intent is based upon an appreciation for the fact that your love and caring knows no limitation or disproportionate sharing as to who or whatever condition gets your blessing, you will do more for the people of this world - and this world in totality - than by focusing upon any conceivable sense of preference as to outcome.

just something to consider, and to hold up against normal 3d concerns. mark

[Psion 3-K]

i certainly accept everything as it is now and would not scorn these 'bad' events should they come to pass. i only wish people to consider the possibility that we have had enough of that experience already and thus do not need it anymore.

don't get me wrong; i'm not trying to make it seem like certain events have no point and thus should not come to pass. my only point is that we can do whatever we want and that includes not having to repeat warlike conflict over and over again. it's all a choice; part of my lightwork is learning to realize the fact that all is perfect in every moment. it just strikes me as a little disheartening that people must come to violent conflict so often. either way, i accept the world the way it is but as a co-creator involved in the process of earth's evolution, i have something to offer which may be better than the paths some have in mind.

my way isn't the way and the lightwork i do centers fully around at least creating a specific arrangement of energy for people to use should they decide they want an alternative. at least it will be there if anyone looks for it. in the time i've been performing my duty in its optimal capacity it has become starkly obvious that all thought is as coherent in form as the forces of electricity or fire. it just cannot be observed visually as it operates on a level which transcends physical objects.

i'm not trying to cling to physicality but rather my goal is to integrate my desire for the material world into my seeking of the higher realms so that i will not become unbalanced. as i am still a physical being, i feel there is nothing wrong with taking joy in the physical pleasures of life. but i will only ever do so as long as i have a healthy grasp of my own soul and how it relates to the universe. i have made it extremely clear that i would rather have every last material possession i own destroyed in an instant should i ever become disconnected.

i'm totally serious about that even though i know that this moment would be very difficult. my energy work is as real as anything else though and since that is not bound to the physical plane, it will always be there. this is what i mean by integrating the physical and spiritual, that no matter what happens to my material life, i will be able to take great pleasure in the fact that i can work the energy of my life in profound ways.

you probably would have to have a grasp of psionics to know exactly what i'm talking about. i will never complain about my life though because through my gift, i've discovered a realm which does not require physical material to foster happiness.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

on the subject of 4d, i have a quick question for the experts:

does duality exist in 4d? thanks in advance for any answer, for anyone who actually takes an interest in my posts.

[MarkM]

hi dh, good question!

i tend to think that one may define duality as the perception that there is other than yourself, and although i'm certainly no expert i'd expect that this perception whether it be voluntary or otherwise is a feature to some extent of all the densities leading up to re-union with infinite intelligence.

it may be that only through the experiencing of manyness and duality that the creator (us) even has a chance of experiencing anything at all, as the alternative to it's having distorted itself into manyness is a static, experienceless state of all potential and no activity. borrring!

hope this helps! :d mark

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

thanks m, great answer; i was leaning towards this.

- - -

i have an inquiry about 4th density beings:

they can go into space, can't they? pressure isn't a problem, they don't have shells that would just lethally inflate is space, right>

[chrisssj2]

i book 1 of ra it is discussed how u can end up in either 4d positive(service to others) or 4d negative (service to self).

i don't get this part, because its told by many people and i believe that above 3d we will have eliminated negative aspects or the difference between them, isn't it the end of duality spoken of by many sources?

i just can't imagine a higher density being that would be on the other side negative (service to self). it does not resonate with me...

what do you guys think?

[12thUranus]

i book 1 of ra it is discussed how u can end up in either 4d positive(service to others) or 4d negative (service to self).

i don't get this part, because its told by many people and i believe that above 3d we will have eliminated negative aspects or the difference between them, isn't it the end of duality spoken of by many sources?

i just can't imagine a higher density being that would be on the other side negative (service to self). it does not resonate with me...

what do you guys think?

well, understanding the make up of the higher densities is very complicated, and, quite frankly, beyond us. it doesn't resonate with you because that is not the path you have chosen, but be mindful that the negative does exist. i don't think the "aspects" of negative path are non existent in 4d positive, but in the social complex those aspects are collectively brought to a vibration of acceptance and love, thus recreating them positive. in that sts "world" its all about control and maintaining the vibration of, i don't know, power over others. again, there do exist entities that desire the sts path, and even realms of pure negativity that we must be aware of in order to avoid them or be deceived by them.

continue on your path that does resonate with you. be love.

love and blessings,
12th

[chrisssj2]

well, understanding the make up of the higher densities is very complicated, and, quite frankly, beyond us. it doesn't resonate with you because that is not the path you have chosen, but be mindful that the negative does exist. i don't think the "aspects" of negative path are non existent in 4d positive, but in the social complex those aspects are collectively brought to a vibration of acceptance and love, thus recreating them positive. in that sts "world" its all about control and maintaining the vibration of, i don't know, power over others. again, there do exist entities that desire the sts path, and even realms of pure negativity that we must be aware of in order to avoid them or be deceived by them.

continue on your path that does resonate with you. be love.

love and blessings,
12th

yes thanks for your reply, but what i thought is that in order to advance to 4th and higher density's you needed a certain amount of light(love) cuz body's are electrically incompatible, and thus the negative (sts) would not be able to attain it untill they switch
isn't it the higher you go in density the greater amount of love (truth). i thought that negativity was like 3-d only thing in duality..

how could negative beings ever attain higher density's? i thought they could not stand the( in such degree) light?

well it may or may not excist in the illiusion but i know at the highest level there is none other than utter perfection and oneness.

[DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr]

how could negative beings ever attain higher density's? i thought they could not stand the( in such degree) light?

well it may or may not excist in the illiusion but i know at the highest level there is none other than utter perfection and oneness.

dominat replies: some people can't stand it, and they choose to sink in the lower vibrations, like in 3d. but everything is love/light, so negative 4d's have to love, themselves especially, which is everyone! because everything is perfect and one.

moderator, billybobbutterball, adds to the confusion.

for chrisssj2;57436..........negative graduates to the 4th negative are not in the realm of light...they would put light out to increase their polarization to the negative. these folk are on a separate pathway, one that is finally resolved when they come into the 6th density. there they run into the glass ceiling and come to a screeching halt. understand that they are driven to advance spiritually; now they come to the realization that they must switch to the positive to continue their advancement.

[from billybobbutterbal: to add some meat to dominat's sparse response the ra have this to offer:

" you will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. this is true at all densities in our octave. we cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. this is, however, true of this octave of density. the beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service to others nevertheless, by the law of free will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

this study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve. the distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the law of one as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? to serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the law of one."

this is a very complex subject and it is not a good idea to extrapolate before reading the basic material.....such would be akin to trying to reinvent something called a "wheel" only to end up with a strange thing sporting square sides. needless to say even the above quote from the ra gives only a bare hint of what is involved.

important note: it is a brilliant idea to study the ra material study guide available on site....( http://www.spiritofra.com/ra-section%201.htm ) also, here is a link to a very useful, streamlined search tool where you can track down arcane topics: http://www.lawofone.info/ ( i've found it a good idea to put these links in your "favorites" )

best, bbb ( a humble moderator grasping for 'the truth' -- which remains just out of reach ) ]

[ltpg97]

i've heard that we are already in 4th density.

1. height
2. width
3. breath
4. time

light, at a higher frequency, is added to the list when your reach 5th density.

now i could be wrong but that's what i've heard.

[Banana123]

i'm getting so peeved, that negative energy, and entities, are getting such a bad wrap. we need negative energy to exist!!! everybody wants to poo poo the negativity because it is empty and cold and we don't like it. david's last blog was a great example. his car accidents were his negativity wake up call. he tried to ignore his lesson and it swung round and slapped him back in the face. i'm sure now he is very thankful that that "negative experience" happened. the same with people. hitler being the most common example of one who is thought to be a negative entity. hitler (from what i hear) was a sensitive artist, a vegetarian, and he loved children. perhaps hitler was bullied as a child.perhaps hitler saw his country starving economically, and literally, and had to make some hard decisions. like a mother having to choose which child to feed. i am not an anti-semite.nor do i advocate anything anyone has ever done in history.(not that it would matter) i am more trying to get people to understand negativity as more of a necessary polarizing force of nature,than a bad boogie man.
i kinda feel like this site is full of too many "feel gooders" who only learn enough about energy to anticipate and avoid negative energy,or experiences. this is a useless practice. because your avoiding opportunities to learn and evolve.
gee.. now that i think about it i sound pretty negative right now... good i'll run with it.. hey you sitting at your computer screen "smack" stop meditating about flowers and stuff and go do something nice for someone else, or call your mom, or ask someone else how there day was and actually listen to them. how you feel is always less important than what you actually do. just ask the sensitive man hitler.

[12thUranus]

hey banana,
i'm on this forum. you should read my stuff. i hear ya. i feel ya. you are right.... to an extent.

i want you to express yourself sincerely.

"most" here are only striving for positivity, so it may sound all flowery, but it's not. it's that simple.... "it's not."


love and blessings,

[MarkM]

there's a subtle nuance involving pos/neg that i feel it is important to attempt to express, but i recall an excerpt from dw's most recent intuitive reading in conjunction with his higher source, 'management notice: prepare for transfiguration' which also addresses this (an interesting facet of dw's readings is that they address and appeal to both the human lifewave as well as to the individual):


our teachings about initiation were greatly distorted


long ago, in your physical terms, we visited your planet and gave certain teachings about the integration of the higher self with the mortal flesh.

we spoke in detail about the necessity of the death of this egoic mind and its constructs.

we also offered a path of initiation whereby this procedure could be dramatized in the course of sacred work.

as you probably well know, or have intuited, these practices were not lost – but the compassionate nature of them was indeed filtered away in the apparent violence of that which transpires during the course of one’s own initiation.

it was believed that god, if you will, was a rapacious, destructive force with sharp teeth and little concern for your sorrows as you go through the great churning upheavals of the personality self.

it was believed that chaos was the key to evolution, and the deliberate creation of chaos an essential element of compassionately helping others to evolve to their potential.


we did not anticipate how severely our message would be contorted


we now understand the necessity for this type of misunderstanding to have arisen, but it does not mean that we agree with such a perspective.

it should be obvious that after many thousands of years, a phenomenon not unlike the telephone game can happen – and many misunderstandings can and will occur.

what we did not anticipate was the degree to which those beings in the universe who lean towards the negative path would be capable of contorting our message beyond all rational nuances.

we did not anticipate that it would lead to the worshipping of death and chaos as if it were a spiritual path.

two things may be true at once; that the negative path has been useful as a means of mirroring ourselves to ourselves, and also that those seeking love and service choose to manifest positivity.

the negative manifestations which arise from our less than loving ways in terms of mutually supportive love may only be there to serve as a means by which to experience what happens when less than loving ways are embarked upon.

true, 12th, we are a positive oriented forum, and that's an important point. banana, an aspect of consciously attaining the positive path in the sense of the law of one is perhaps that one strives to embrace shadow issues with love, forgiveness and acceptance, and thus works toward integration of the self in love, and with love for all. one seeks to internalize, experience and live the idea that we are all one consciousness, and love others as ourselves.

flowery, yeah, but it sometimes seems it's the hardest and most trying and mature thing that can be done by mankind. it's not easy peeling back the layers of the ego self, but the rewards sometimes seem to more than make up for it! doing it is key... :d mark

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/863-managementtransfig

[ltpg97]

well my concern, being a wanderer, is whether or not my family will accept the new reality after 2012. will they ascend into 4th or 5th density depending on whether they're in 3rd or 4th now. alot of their decisions unfortunately are still based on fear. fear of terrorism, crime and ultimate truth. they refuse to even the consider the idea that there is higher power (illuminati/malevolent et's) responsible for alot bad things going on in the world today. i used to get angry and realized the angrier i got trying to wake them up the more distant i became and the more hostile they got. now i've been playing it cool and just going with flow when i'm with them. i don't get angry or try to force my belief system on them. i simply smile and tell them i love them. you want to take baby steps with your family and anyone who's not fully awake yet.

i just hope my family accepts what is coming and is awake by the time it comes.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

just gonna throw it in there... what is gonna happen to the venusians (and other 6d beings) during ascension? are they just gonna go back to being 6d? this is confusing, because i was notified that the moment we move into 4d, the 6d beings move into 7d. although i consider myself a venusian, i am still half human. i only know one other person like me and this is becoming complicated. maybe the 6d wanderers will remain with the 4d humans because they have already got karmicly involved? it's like where will dw be? he can't possible say "adios i am going back to 6d." =] what ra tells us are guidelines... there are always exceptions.

love and light and love,
et

[Burton]

just gonna throw it in there... what is gonna happen to the venusians (and other 6d beings) during ascension? are they just gonna go back to being 6d? this is confusing, because i was notified that the moment we move into 4d, the 6d beings move into 7d. although i consider myself a venusian, i am still half human. i only know one other person like me and this is becoming complicated. maybe the 6d wanderers will remain with the 4d humans because they have already got karmicly involved? it's like where will dw be? he can't possible say "adios i am going back to 6d." =] what ra tells us are guidelines... there are always exceptions.

love and light and love,
et

all beings at the end of their incarnation will walk the steps of light. from the q'uo material it appears that we as a race of people have done enough to stop any cataclysmic events around the time of the shift. it seems, at least from my pov, that we will be allowed to finish our incarnations, growing/learning along the way. once we pass on we walk the steps of light and where ever we stop will be our home density.

this is a question i have often asked myself though...how does my status as a wanderer effect my journey along those "steps of light" ra/q'uo speak of. im sure if we don't gain a significant amount of distortion while incarnated, we will return home so to speak.

[scottki]

all beings at the end of their incarnation will walk the steps of light. from the q'uo material it appears that we as a race of people have done enough to stop any cataclysmic events around the time of the shift. it seems, at least from my pov, that we will be allowed to finish our incarnations, growing/learning along the way. once we pass on we walk the steps of light and where ever we stop will be our home density.

this is a question i have often asked myself though...how does my status as a wanderer effect my journey along those "steps of light" ra/q'uo speak of. im sure if we don't gain a significant amount of distortion while incarnated, we will return home so to speak.

i wonder if the light is different rather than less bright as apparently the wanderer nikola tesla complained a lot about being sensitive to light at the end of his life. probably not connected but you can imagine ra saying something along those lines! carla says that the densities are all about the amount of light - do all animals see in black and white?

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

not all animals see in black and white. bugs for example can see much more colors than us. for them everyday is like a psychedelic trip. i think the intensity of light has nothing to do with seeing more or less colors. i mean as we move up through the densities the light becomes more radiant more intense. the way we see light and perceive color depends on our light receivers(eyes). the 6d chemical body is very loose, i wonder if they even have anything like our eyes. maybe only the third eye? lets take the rainbow as an example. in my opinion only. when we look at it now, in 3rd density we can see the different colors. but as we move up through densities the light gets more intense and the colors of the rainbow look more blurred with each other until you get to 7th density when everything is but white light. this means that as we go through densities it will be easier for us to look at the sun, as another example.

=]

love and light and love,
ra ma
[moderator: the idea of bugs seeing 'color' is really very interesting and if are curious, you may google "can insects see color"]
[well it depends on the eyes that the bug has. interestingly enough the density below us is made out of different types of light receivers, while we only have one type: the human eye.]
["many species, including bees, can see a broader spectrum of light than we can." http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-473897/a-bees-eye-view-how-insects-flowers-differently-us.html#ixzz1vjip7afe]

[insecteye]

i would love to get your opinions on how children or mentally handicapped people will awake in 4d. they aren't exactly aware of what 3d/4d is.

[Sammy]

i would love to get your opinions on how children or mentally handicapped people will awake in 4d. they aren't exactly aware of what 3d/4d is.

the transition is of mind. in other words what it takes for you to be convinced (in mind), that you can and will change if your focused. it may be harder for some to fumble thier way to it like we are now. the oneness is looking for a firm structure, and it will only get easier to attain for people. as it stands now, you perty much have to look at every religion globaly and hope you can figure something out haha. it just depends on your orientation (region) as where you start. one day we will all begin in different regions, but have the same start for the journey (atleast thats the goal).

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

well a lot of people are not aware of what 3d/4d is. ra notes that you don't have to know this information to ascend. as long as you are either on the path of sts or sto. only those that are not polarized enough will remain in 3d.
most of the children now are souls that already reached the required polarization level in their past reincarnation. [i am pretty sure that the same goes for the handicapped.] so really, they are born here now to ascend with us.

i've said this before but i will repeat myself for relevance.
a lot of the kids, young kids, especially those born after 2010, and are considered to be the first installment of generation "z," are indigo children of first generation. this means it is their first time here on earth. these are the rainbow ray children. they have a rainbow colored ray that comes out of their forehead. these children are from other 3d worlds which are ready to ascend. i don't want to sound like i am relying too much on my instincts, but i think some of these children might as well be 4d already.
take jesus as an example. when he was born to mary he was already a 4d positive being. we know that a soul can ascend to 4d at any time it is capable of doing so, and it doesn't have to wait for harvest. like jesus, again. but think about this. if a human being is ready to ascend, where does he go? his planet did not go through harvest yet, neither did all the people. does he just float alone somewhere or does he go to a different 4d world? sounds pretty unfair, because as we know, we travel to 4d with our home world/planet. so, why can't these 4d being be born again into our world... as spiritual healers, for example.

the most difficult thing for me is trying to understand how all of this functions. my husband and i, as another example, are 5d wanderers. we have a child, who is this child? what density is he? from our perspective we are not 3d beings, we are 5d beings using a 2d body complex. so when we are creating a child, although we are creating his 2d form by physical/biological methods, what about his soul?

some of these questions will not be answered until we move into 4d. and i know many of us are worried how our kids will react to such events, and our loved ones (some which are less physically/mentally capable than us). so as far as it goes for personal advice, just hold them close and know that everything is going to be okay!
remember that both kids and handicapped people are very open to these sort of things and have the potential for these abilities (as we all do), the only difference is that because they are open,they are more functional in the thin world (time/space) than us. mostly because they actually spend time there, for handicapped people it is due to their condition and for kids it is due to their young biological bodies... the younger you are the closer you are to the time between resurrection, the time we all spend in time/space. [the older you are the closer you are to t/s as well, thus this comment would also apply to those who are older and are unaware of these ideas.] these people do not have the fear factors that we, the mentally stabled adults have.
for all we know, it might be them telling us it's all going to be okay :)

love and light and love,
ra ma

[Sammy]

i wanted to add and i should have added this. we dont even have any idea what kind of society will take form, except its supposed to be better. in this more advanced and universal "us" its possible such ailments are non-existant. the way technology is advancing as well as our adaption to it, death might be a choice you make after a 400 year old life. possibly not at all with memory transferance to a hard drive of some type, and a robot body. no one knows the outcome exactly but it will deffinitly all be ok, fear is the only thing that says otherwise.

[loveis8hertz]

all holographic virtual realities, be it physical or non-physical, afterlife, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th density etc exist in the matrix of illusion. if some form of travel exists, that is it has 2 points of location to give you the sensation of moving then it vibrates, then you are still in an illusory world of some form of limitation. you remain in a dreaming state at different levels of awareness imaging/ dreaming about self interacting with the environment or other selves.


points to consider:

- you are god, consciousness, all that is!
- each soul, consciousness unit represents a facet of god- a point/angel of view among many points/ angels of view
- each soul experiences the multiverses subjectively, from this level there is no absolute truth
- you are all that is, so there is no point a to point b to travel to because everything exists inside of you
- you created the virtual realities, physical/non-physical instruments/body so that you can interact withthee environs and parts of yourself, so this is intentional
- you are the script writer, props, scene, actors/actress, camera person, movie editor
- at the fundamental level, there is no right or wrong, dark or light because it all exists within you
- there are infinite expressions, infinite experiences, infinite potentials
- what you deem as good versus bad exist in the matrix of illusion so that you can have drama & experience the richness of emotions
- to be burden with judgement, polarity such as perceiving people, entities, events, things as good, you will also need to acknowledge the existence of bad as a reference point.
- as you are all that is, all knowing, omnipresent you do not need to graduate from learning labs
- dna, reincarnation, karma, soul contracts, science, religion, culture, afterlife, densities/dimensions govenment, dimensions are all programs within the matrix to define parameters, rules to create different virtual realities or consensus dreams for the collective players

so while you are dreaming, enjoy it for what it is, experiences for consciousness to perpetually explore self through many expressions in a timeless self discovery process some may call consciousness evolution, except all expressions are equal & valued.

you can continue to allow yourself to be ensnared in the dream, be more conscious that you are in an illusory world of the limited senses & perception and steer the dream your way (thereby experiencing more moments of synchronicity) while still respecting some limitations in the dream.

experiences is all that matters as there is no matter.

you can also choose to wake up from the dream & remember your connection with the source, oness. know, be certain & believe that we each are the creator and our creations. you may find yourself at a still point, in the void of infinite intelligence, infinite potential and are conscious of every expression within yourself. you can now identify yourself with the whole self rather an individualised fragment of the whole. at this point you will experience the paradox consciousness state of being one with the all and everything in the one.

remember what you believe in will manifest your reality.

source of information: personal discovery, obes, lucid dreams, inner knowing, moments of synchronicity

what is god?
love
what is love?
knowing, believing, accepting that all is god
all expressions are allowed equal co-creating status: unity consciousness of infinite potential

[SpiralCycle]

i bet if it were to happen things would just be much more harmonious with a feeling of lightness (which also means "reality" could transform itself to fit this parameter also).

i also feel like we can travel through many densities even if our energies aren't comfortable at a certain density but most likely we won't be able to sustain our energy in certain ones for a very long period of time or even notice them.

many have heard the saying we are the reflections of ourselves. even though we may journey through all different kinds of experience our reality will present itself based on our basic makeup along with our deepest programming and intentions conscious or not.

you can see billions of people on earth but all of them experience things differently and literally still have "a world of their own". of course there is a common denominator that many can identify with but that doesn't limit the ability for the will to experience things differently or leave the plane altogether (but under circumstances and odds sometimes we have to push a lot harder than others to manifest such a feat).

the universe knows through "vibration" what you resonate with and what your intentions are so whatever awakening we may have may have similar conditions but as david has mentioned there is going to be a very intelligent force that will place us wherever we need to be after we go through this transition if it is to happen.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

agree, the only density that must be mastered in the 6th of wisdom and love, many wanderers were not able to return there because they got karmically involved in the history of the planet they would wander upon, and had to travel through 4th and 5th again.
but i understand what you mean... we have all been on higher densities already as well as on lower! when we get to 6th density these things will make sense, because we are still viewing reality in a linear time perspective, so such concepts as past and future happening simultaneously are a bit taboo for us now, even if we try to understand them... must live through it to really know what it's all about!
yes, the force is rather intelligence. i am doing my own research into this ordeal... i think we have provided enough science, along wit such great contributors as dave, that will back up the existence of such a force. what interested me is the thinking behind its actions! well i guess it is our thinking, for we are it as it is us! can you imagine how powerful and creative this thing is? to guide electricity into an organic body so that it may function! gravity! what an amazing force!
before the book came out i kept breaking my head over this dilemma...
at first, the idea of gravity holding all the dimensions together, as in the 11 dimensions of quantum physics theory defines, was a good enough answer... but the intelligence behind it was getting me stressed!
and since i got familiar with the ra material and the law of one, i've been able to see from a 6th density perspective... as in everything already has a counterpart, a completion. love/light, learn/teach...

...field/force!!!!

now i may rest my brain as this final piece falls into place!
love and light and love,
ra ma

[loveis8hertz]

also remember we all possess free will to make choices. this by extension includes all physical, non-physical incarnations, or in the afterlife. our belief systems and emotions attached to corresponding beliefs is the method of which we choose.

as there is only one god, one consciousness, there is no real separation, only divisory thought forms including perceived densities or dimensions that each soul needs to graduate to.

everything exists in the now, so therefore this idea of linear graduation is an expression of human perceptual limitations.

quantum physics/mechanics are now describing the multiverses as holographic virtual realities or fractal universes for eg. nassim haramein "black whole". this means as above so below. all information is contained at each scale, level and therefore each soul is able to access all information from within.

in robert monroe's "journeys out of body" and "far journeys" he describes himself and other entities travelling to different realities as though one would pick a game one would like to experience. the only barrier is the realisation of the scope of the choices or games available.

[Jeia Ra Manuk]

first, there is no linear graduation, this is correct... all that there is are expansions and contractions... the universe is build and destroyed in a heart beat :)

free will is a distortion.... we are one and we will eventually all become one, collectively and consciously, thus everything we do is towards that goal... so everything in life, be it negative or positive is already predetermined for a smooth and very mechanic arrival to the realization of oneness!

love and light,
ra ma

[Apophis]

also remember we all possess free will to make choices. this by extension includes all physical, non-physical incarnations, or in the afterlife. our belief systems and emotions attached to corresponding beliefs is the method of which we choose.

as there is only one god, one consciousness, there is no real separation, only divisory thought forms including perceived densities or dimensions that each soul needs to graduate to.

everything exists in the now, so therefore this idea of linear graduation is an expression of human perceptual limitations.

quantum physics/mechanics are now describing the multiverses as holographic virtual realities or fractal universes for eg. nassim haramein "black whole". this means as above so below. all information is contained at each scale, level and therefore each soul is able to access all information from within.

in robert monroe's "journeys out of body" and "far journeys" he describes himself and other entities travelling to different realities as though one would pick a game one would like to experience. the only barrier is the realisation of the scope of the choices or games available.

this was post #111 and i agree with you 8hertz. so let us turn from explosive expression of what it is, to a calm expression of who you are.

[Apophis]

this was post #111 and i agree with you 8hertz. so let us turn from explosive expression of what it is, to a calm expression of who you are.

i find myself not answering a question in the same way as 8hertz. this guides me to think they are not approaching life correctly. which allows me to find the awareness in differences. thank you 8hertz.

i love you
i am sorry
please forgive me
thank you

[H20]

i was curious when transitioning from 3d to 4d positive and those you share a life with ( family, wife , children) aren't; when they continue in 3d on this sphere or another one parallel to it, will i or a version of me still be with them? will my existence to them be remembered? will i remember them? or, is it something else?

[AllenPapapetrou]

i was curious when transitioning from 3d to 4d positive and those you share a life with ( family, wife , children) aren't; when they continue in 3d on this sphere or another one parallel to it, will i or a version of me still be with them? will my existence to them be remembered? will i remember them? or, is it something else?
perhaps if you consider your 3d existence like an autonomic response of your 4d existence and add in a dash of oversoul 7 you might come to an increased resonance with the possibilities.

aloha,
all

[Asa]

these are all good questions but i wonder whether those asking them are actually seeking the true answer or are they seeking an answer that doesn't make them uncomfortable. if you are still so attached to 3d that you are seeking an answer that doesn't make you uncomfortable then are you truly awakening into 4d at all? it is natural to seek to know what lies ahead but what you truly should be seeking is the true answer of what lies ahead not for you own sake but so that you can align yourself with the unfolding of the divine plan.

[H20]

obviously asa. i was asking mainly in reference to the loo and what explanation it would give for that situation. ..so... if you have any insight; respond.

[H20]

i'm sorry, but..what? your statement is a little confusing. what do you mean by this?

[Asa]

h20,

thank you for asking. to allow us to better communicate let's agree on what it is that we're going to be discussing and some definitions so that our mental images of these concepts are the same. everything i will share will be based on loo.

the original title of the thread is: awakening into 4d. "awakening into 4d" is different from the actual transition that creates a 4d being. "awakening into 4d" for the purpose of this discussion is the condition whereby an individual has, in ra's parlance, been able to "grasp the needle" and point it in a direction of seeking toward 4d. this seeking develops over time through lessons learned, awareness at the deepest levels of what you are, and the grasping that we can not at this level understand.

to be fully awakened into 4d, the individual would have been able to open the gateway to intelligent infinity through the violet ray energy.


48.6 ra: ... the patterns of activation of an entity of high seniority will undoubtedly move with some rapidity to the green-ray level which is the springboard to primary blue. there is always some difficulty in penetrating blue primary energy for it requires that which your people have in great paucity; that is, honesty. blue ray is the ray of free communication with self and with otherself. having accepted that an harvestable or nearly harvestable entity will be working from this green-ray springboard one may then posit that the experiences in the remainder of the incarnation will be focused upon activation of the primary blue-ray of freely given communication, of indigo ray, that of freely shared intelligent energy, and if possible, moving through this gateway, the penetration of violet-ray intelligent infinity. this may be seen to be manifested by a sense of the consecrate or hallowed nature of everyday creations and activities.

opening this gateway allows the individual to be able to consciously access and be guided directly by their higher self (intelligent infinity) while in 3d. putting it in more simple terms a 3d individual in the latter stages of seeking 4d while still in 3d would have gained the ability to channel their own higher self and is seeking to align their actions with the guidance being given by higher self.

prior to achievement of this upper level of seeking the individual will recognize they have "grasped the needle" by an alignment of their mundane thought patterns (raising their consciousness) more consistently with 4d thought patterns. a person on average has about 40,000-50,000 thoughts a day and about 80% of those thoughts or more can be categorized as non-positive (not necessarily negative but simply not positive in nature). as you awaken into 4d this percentage will decrease significantly as you move forward.

as you move forward into this "awakening" you will increase your light. to grasp knowledge of what this means think of it this way--when something occurs that raises your happiness you feel lighter and brighter. increasing your light simply is the effect that occurs when you begin to clear away some of the issues and dross that tend to pull you back into a "heavier" or less joyful existence. to achieve such an increased light state you would need to do significant inner work to convert prior experiences into lessons learned. you will also "crystallize your energy" which is the ability to focus your spiritualness, like a laser, onto achieving your highest and best during this incarnation.

all of this will occur along with the actions necessary to balance and align all the energy centers.

awakening into 4d is a most complex subject. in following posts i will use the loo to reveal the transition that occurs from 3d to 4d.

brother asa

[Asa]

h20,

i promised to address the transition that occurs from 3d to 4d via the loo as given by ra. the first thing we need to establish is the following:


63.20 questioner: now as this transition continues into fourth-density activation, in order to inhabit this fourth-density sphere it will be necessary for all third-density physical bodies to go through the process which we refer to as death. is this correct?
ra: i am ra. this is correct.

established via loo the only way to progress from 3d to 4d is through the gateway of death. unless you take the position that ra is incorrect then there is no room for doubt or deviation from this position based on this question and answer. does that mean then that we will be facing a mass extinction event? no, as the following question and answer clarifies.


63.27 questioner: i will make this statement and have you correct me. what we have is, as our planet is spiraled by the spiraling action of the entire major galaxy and our planetary system spirals into the new position, the fourth-density vibrations becoming more and more pronounced. these atomic core vibrations begin to create, more and more completely, the fourth-density sphere and the fourth-density bodily complexes for inhabitation of that sphere. is this correct?

ra: i am ra. this is partially correct. to be corrected is the concept of the creation of green-ray density bodily complexes. this creation will be gradual and will take place beginning with your third-density type of physical vehicle and, through the means of bisexual reproduction, become by evolutionary processes, the fourth-density body complexes.

as you can see from this question and answer the process of conversion from 3d to 4d will take time as the transition takes place via the production and introduction of new bodies through evolution by way of the natural birth cycle. what this also means is that the concept, from other sources, of "caretakers" being required after the major portion of the physical transition of the planet takes place is also correct as without some 3d entities being left on the planet there would be no source for the bisexual reproduction to occur. so who will these "caretakers" be? many will be those in dual activated bodies and some will be 3d entities who have penetrated intelligent energy's gateway making them 3d to 4d transition period compatible.

is there a desire for loo references to what occurs after one penetrates the death gateway?

light and love,

brother asa

[Apophis]

very good brother asa.

[H20]

yeah asa. thank you for caring. love and light

[Apophis]

i believe this thread is the description of our acknowledgment to being human. by that i mean, we could also title this thread, the things that separate us from wild animals. :d

[Apophis]

we are moving into the heart so i would suspect that there will be changes orientated around our chest, the green ray level of our human body. we could see new chambers of the heart, or changes in our lungs. we could quite possibly see things happening to our hands, as our hands are expressions of the heart, being in the green ray level as well. we could eventually see people with the ability to “use the force” after gaining some mastery in this phase. however, this may take thousands of years. it may not be for another 75,000 years that we can begin to fly on our own power.

our houses will become closer and closer to biodegradable systems, which are a part of the overall eco-system. we might have housing that is fully alive. i’ve seen innovative vine weaving structures which are living plants weaved into rooms with ceilings. we might begin to include gardens right on our own houses/apartments. we might focus more and more on the mini eco-systems of our own little piece of the community. it’s been said that we were living in the ‘age of fire’; also it was the ‘age of pieces’ (water sign). i propose that as we move into the ‘age of aquarius’ (air sign) we may find that our lives are dominated by the ‘age of earth’. this says that the soil we grow our plants in may be some of the most important, or defining material in our new world vision.