Awakening into 4D [Archive] - Divine Cosmos Discussions

MarkM

06-19-2007, 05:18 PM

From the questions thread:

I think that in the beginning stages of 4D, we will be much more like 3D people than not because we aren't learned enough to be anything different. We will probably make beginning 4D resemble 3D for a while, imo. And, what with 4D some 4 million (?correct me if I'm wrong) years long, we would have alot of time to perfect the density of Love. Chris

I anticipate that there will be some moments of amazing awakening in our first while in fourth density. It could be that we use the spoken word only, at the beginning. We will notice some huge synchronicities, as in "Wow, you just said exactly what I was thinking!"

Possibly our fourth density abilities will kick in only gradually and gently, in a similar way that awakening here happens at a rate we can handle, and so not to transgress our free will. I expect that a tenet of fourth density life will be that eventually all our thoughts, feelings, memories, in fact our entire being will be easily and completely perceivable to others in 4D, but maybe won't kick in immediately so as to not shock us.

Do you think there will be a gradual period of orientation upon arrival in 4D, perhaps like an academy of familiarization for learning to work with our new abilities? A place where we learn to materialize that pretty little Swiss chalet in the mountains that we've always wanted? Do you imagine that there will be teachers and guides there waiting for us, maybe even a pre-existing infrastructure of sorts to aid in our transition? May we possibly retain our perception of linear time at first as well as a third dimensional view of space? Or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?

I can't help but have these questions in my mind, even as Ra was very guarded about describing 4D.

One 66

06-20-2007, 09:39 AM

Perhaps there are those who are being initiated or being prepared right now to help those who will eventually need help once the transition into 4D happens. Perhaps some who view this site are or will be guides to those who are in need of guiding down the road. In the end, we are our own guides, teachers and students. :cool:

Alisima

06-21-2007, 05:47 AM

MarkM, there are already 4D abilities right here, right now. But indeed, some will need adjustment.

soup

06-29-2007, 10:04 PM

Sometimes i consider 4D experience as that which incorporates abstract mental constructs as those formed by the sharing of writings. Related to such writings can be mental structures such as contracts and agreements which then in turn affect physical behaviors. The notion of authority and hierarchy can seem to play importantly in such constructs and this is part of why i suggest this possibility. This may be a distinguishing feature between the 3D and 4D experience and problems associated with them.

voidzero

08-06-2007, 04:07 PM

Questioner: I think you said there were 60 million Wanderers,
approximately, here now. Am I correct in that memory?
Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct. There is some excess to that
amount.
Questioner: Does that number include the harvestable entities who are
coming to this planet for the fourth-density experience?
Ra: I am Ra. No.
Questioner: Approximately how many are here now who have come here
from other planets who are third-density harvestable for fourth-density
experience?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a recent, shall we say, phenomenon and the number is
not yet in excess of 35,000 entities.
Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory
body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third
to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which
we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and
then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body
and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?
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The Law of One, Book III, Session 63
Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a
double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these
fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the
connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due
to the necessity for manifesting the double body.
This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate
fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the
accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity
were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-
density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-
density necessities.
Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to
fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order
to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of
what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die
according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex
distortions.
We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of
such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such
entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density
understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the
forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added
attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a
troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.
Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the
complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the
harvesting process?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense
that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the
experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density
entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-
to-others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is
much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

soup

08-06-2007, 09:20 PM

...If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility...

This reminds me of a person talking upon a cell phone - their voice transduced into electro magnetic radio waves which effectively "extend them" in ways they wouldn't otherwise. The notion of a "dual body" then reminds me of the concept of cyborg - a sort of half human/half machine.
Maybe there's some metaphor in there somewhere that's helpful. In that sense, the act of interacting within internet forums may seem 4D-ish.

1VibrationalEnergy

06-15-2008, 11:59 PM

David says ~
"This is GREAT… I went back to the original Law of One source material and found a shocking correspondence between the Cayce Readings and the Law of One that I never saw before. It all centers on the year 1936, which BOTH sources actually target as THE year we directly hit the first wave of 4D energy."

When I read the year 1936 I immediatly thought of the movie Contact because the signal they recieved from the "aliens" was the 1936 Olympic Games and it was the first to be broadcast on a form of television.

now I just read about a double body, you could literally be at two places at once.

just something to think about

Berni

06-16-2008, 01:25 PM

When I think about the transition from 3D to 4D I think of the movie, "What Dreams May Come". After Robin Williams' character dies he is greeted by an old friend in disguise, who helps him learn how to create his own house and surroundings. One scene that comes to mind is where Williams' character is trying to drink coffee (? I think) out of a mug that he created with his mind and the mug acts like wet clay - it squished together in his hands and fell apart.

It took him awhile to get the hang of creating with his mind. I think this is kind of how it will be when we make the transition. We will probably be kind of isolated at first while our teacher(s) instruct us in 4D living, just until we can catch on to how to make our own world and manage our thought transference, and then will be allowed to intermingle.

I kind of like the idea of creating a Leonardo or Van Gogh (or maybe even Picasso!) style landscape/living quarters. You could really let your creativity run rampant!

Strider44

06-19-2008, 01:35 PM

I guess it will be much like an OBE, in how your thoughts are instantly manifest into your environment... people had better learn how to start controlling there thoughts, and not keeping secrets...

Adam of All

06-19-2008, 10:06 PM

This is something that I haven't yet settled in my mind, and so I'll bring it up here so that I can think about it as well as see what some of you think:

Before I got into the Law of One and the whole realm of spirituality that may be associated with it, I was very much into various "spiritual" disciplines - especially Astral Projection. It was to my understanding that the Astral plane was the plane just beyond the Etheric plane, which is physically corresponded by our subtle/energy bodies. It wasn't clear to me whether or not the Etheric plane was counted as a plane/state of being, so for all intents and purposes, I considered the Astral plane as being the 4th Dimension.

Now, my question/food for thought is whether or not the Astral plane is indeed our 4th density reailty? After all, it's been made clear that the 4th density is a place where thoughts can manifest, and communication becomes not only very open but instantaneous, amongst other things. For the most part, the 4th density sounds quite like the Astral plane. It's worth noting that it is very difficult if not impossible to sustain an Astral projection because of the lack of sufficient energy - which can be related to the idea that our 3rd density bodies can not withstand a FULL influx of 4th density energies.

I openly welcome your thoughts on this idea, as I feel that something useful can be said of it.

Love and Light be with you all

soup

06-22-2008, 04:01 PM

...It's worth noting that it is very difficult if not impossible to sustain an Astral projection because of the lack of sufficient energy - which can be related to the idea that our 3rd density bodies can not withstand a FULL influx of 4th density energies...

Thanks for offering some food for thought.
Part of this mentioning reminds me of sustaining a balance of "love/light" in progressing toward expanding awareness of the "astral plane."
Another part of this mentioning reminds me of how "a tantric practice" of some sort or another can "crank up the voltage" in some way or another, though there seems some issue related to the infringement of free will that Ra mentions along in relation to this.

I think part of the issue related to tantra in regards to free-will infringement seems the idea of expanding one's awareness of self. That a low consciousness self may as more greatly veiled extent interpret themself as a physical complex alone and make choices so. A less veiled person may interpret their sense of self as that of more that that and so may make choices that more greately benefit a greater whole as trade off to say the gratification of more "lower consciousness self centered" choices.

The idea of expanding awareness by way of tantric practice may relate to where one spends their time, in the physical or astral plane, and how that time spent alter one's perception of reality. As one spends more time astrally, they may become alienated with the consensus reality that many around them are living within, they may become estranged somehow in ways that essentially limit their freewill choices compared to those around them.

In simpler terms, if all the choices available where balanced between "service to self, and service to others", than when one polarizes to "service to others" they may become limited to only half the total choices available: those of "service to others." So a veiled individual may by contrast have more "freewill" choices available those of both service to self and others. In this way, the freewill infringement issue may relate to an individual's choice of polarization with a twist related to their degree of veiling.

soup

soup

07-27-2008, 04:24 PM

...Or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?..

The image that strikes me here is that of cleansing - that by washing our hands maybe we can better enjoy a life that is to a lesser degree toxic than otherwise; that by the act of washing "we are allowed to transcend our limitations."

So some effort to cleanse ourselves is an act of transcension, as if cleanliness is next to godliness...

soup

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 01:40 AM

sheluvsheiner

04-05-2009, 10:57 AM

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 02:12 PM

I am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. What, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? One minute? five minutes? ten?
I know those with more practice would be able to last longer, so Im just inquiring to an averaged out number for the normal average joe :)

I'm unsure if we could even put a time down to the length of the period. It's been said that our dreams only last for a few seconds, but we live them for a lot longer then that. It's like or minds move out of our time restricted minds and into the reality of non-linear time. My Father-in-law had an out-of-body experience a while back, his first ever. He said it didn't last very long, only long enough to float around his room for a little while before getting bumped in his physical body, so he got dragged back to this time-reality. I've never had an astral experience myself (or at least not one I could control), only "very real feeling dreams", so I can't really say for sure how long they may last.

Secondly, am I understanding 4D correctly - we won't have the 'crud' that we do here in 3D. We don't have to worry about murder, rape, suicides, SICKNESS and DISEASE, depression, war and agression, deceit, jealousy and all other things like that which cause so much disharmony, misery and sadness? Will we live lives of bliss? Still new at this - thanks for your insights! ~ Kristy

From my understanding, the 4th density has a set of rules and laws just like this density does, but it is not totally clear what all those rules are. Only approximate idea's of what it will be like. Here is a quote from David's version on the Law of One (Section Three):

B. WHAT IS THE 4TH DENSITY LIKE?

RA: There are no appropriate words. We can only say what it is not and approximate what it is. Beyond 4th density our ability to describe the density grows more limited until we become without words. (B4, S82, 71)

1. It uses a type of bipedal body which is much denser in consciousness and more full of life. It does not use your heavy chemical vehicles or body. (B1, S16, 157)

2. 4th density is not of words, unless chosen. One is aware of the thoughts and vibrations of otherselves.

3. It is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of 3rd density.

4. It is a plane striving towards wisdom or light.

5. It is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus. (B1, S16, 157)

6. There is no disharmony within the self or within other peoples. It is not within the limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way. (B1, S16, 157)

7. When sickness is present, it is easily healed. (B1, S16, 157)

RA: The 4th density is one of revealed information. Selves are not hidden to self or other*selves. The imbalances or distortions which are of a destructive nature show in mote obvious ways, the body acting as a machine resource for self revelation [Recall that ACIM calls the body a learning device for the mind].

Illnesses such as cancer are very amenable to self-healing once the mechanism of the destructive influence has been grasped by the individual. (B2, S40, 82)

RA: The 4th density abounds in compassion. This compassion is folly when seen through the eyes of wisdom. It is the salvation of 3rd density but creates a mismatch in the ultimate balance of the entity. (B2, S42, 95)

aqcheryl

04-05-2009, 04:22 PM

I'm unsure if we could even put a time down to the length of the period. It's been said that our dreams only last for a few seconds, but we live them for a lot longer then that.

I ask because I was thinking it could help at some point to decipher if what we are seeing is truly astral projection, or a very overactive visionary experience (ie imagination :D)
Now thats boggling the mind... living dreams longer than they actually are...because Ive had some long dreams lol

sheluvsheiner

04-05-2009, 09:18 PM

Purple Dragon

04-05-2009, 09:34 PM

I ask because I was thinking it could help at some point to decipher if what we are seeing is truly astral projection, or a very overactive visionary experience (ie imagination :D)
Now thats boggling the mind... living dreams longer than they actually are...because Ive had some long dreams lol

And some will argue that they are the same thing, and our imagination is actually just looking through our 3rd eye which can take us anywhere at anytime. To think when we move to the 4th this will probably be more the reality and our reality know will seem to be fiction. lol!

aqcheryl

04-06-2009, 05:03 PM

But if there is no disharmony of any kind possible in 4-D...I wonder what would cause disease of any kind? Isn't disease a disharmony within the body - "dis-ease". Also if our bodies are more dense with light, it seems strange that we could get diseases. I hope this wouldn't include depression.

Maybe because what we think manifests, and so if we allow ourselves to think negative thoughts... its just a sped up version of here. We create our disharmony and it takes time but it manifests - over there its sped up... we create disharmony and it immediately and 100% manifests.

But then if we shed those negative thoughts we heal instantly as well.

Talk about taking a sick day from work LOL

And some will argue that they are the same thing, and our imagination is actually just looking through our 3rd eye which can take us anywhere at anytime. To think when we move to the 4th this will probably be more the reality and our reality know will seem to be fiction. lol!

They could but theres still a bit of a difference. Yes we create our own reality right - but we still have limitations even there. Because of free will. So for example an actual astral projection you perhaps meet someone on that plane who of their own volition comes to speak with you...

versus imagination...any person who visits you is really you and youre controlling whats coming out of their mouth lol

mmariebored

04-06-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Chris Hamilton
quote: "... And, what with 4D some 4 million (?correct me if I'm wrong) years long, we would have alot of time to perfect the density of Love."
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So if 4D experience lasts 4 million years - do we stay in the same light body for all that time, or is like here where we live a certain amount of time, then die, then reincarnate? If we do die, doesn't anybody have any idea what that death may be like? Would it be subject to pain or suffering, or would it just be a quick change? I think it would be fun to be able to put on a 'skin suit' (body) and experience things for the sheer joy of it. Like make myself a perfect looking outfit with no stretch marks from bearing children. (haha). I wonder if that could be done.

I can't imagine people of a "higher D" being so fickle, prefering the appearences people in "3D" find attractive. If it's more about the mind, it's understandable that the mind moves past that. Just as it was meant to..

I would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. I want to see some differences. I LIKE lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, I find that fascinating.

Also, as far as reading people's thoughts while here in "3D", it goes against the laws set in place, and I don't even believe this is possible in "4D" unless invited. But I do believe we'll be able to talk to each other, send our thoughts to each other without words. This is something I dream about all the time. In real life, my children have always been able to say things that were in my head, before I said them, and if I needed something, before I asked for it, they would run and get it(this is not an uncommon occurance for mothers and children). The thoughts that were readable were thoughts that I had planned on saying or doing. Never thoughts that I would keep to myself.

Jehanne

04-07-2009, 12:54 AM

I am interested in the statement that it takes alot of energy to manifest an astral projection. What, if there could be an average placed, would the definition of length for this time period be? One minute? five minutes? ten?

I'm no expert on the subject, but I have had several experiences that I call out of body experiences. The ones that I feel are true OBE, were ones that involved me floating up to the ceiling and then flying around my building. These lasted what seemed like minutes, pretty close to real time. I would continuously get snapped back into my body, but as I was still in a trance, would start the process back again, leaving many times before finally breaking the trance and getting up. (these experiences were very intense and unlike anything Ive ever experienced, on awaking, I would be very very cold, stumble a bit, and feel very heavy and sometimes would be sad to come back and want to go back to the experience, that is part of the reason I have stopped trying to so this particular experience consciously)

Then there are the OBE astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, I would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. These would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. The same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

Both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and I had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. There was a period where I was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (I guess I am training less and more busy in the external world)

If the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but I'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. There is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. I would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. What do you think about the connection?

conundrum

04-07-2009, 02:28 AM

people had better learn how to start controlling there thoughts, and not keeping secrets

Its a relatively steep learning curve and being honest or attempting to be honest isn't that easy.. being totally honest while respecting another persons free will or secret while being of service to another self is some what complex and is wrought with inconveniences :(
not for the faint hearted, it certainly tests ones ability to forgive ones self and other self ;)

I would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. I want to see some differences. I LIKE lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, I find that fascinating.

Personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

Purple Dragon

04-07-2009, 03:38 PM

If the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but I'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. There is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. I would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. What do you think about the connection?

One thing Ra has said is that our Astral plane is still a part of our 3D, it has something to do with different layers of our density. The astral plane is a closer relationship to the 4th density than to the 3rd in our space/time relationship as our minds would think of it, but still a layer of the 3D. Not totally sure how this works, but there is apparently a whole new set of rules we will learn once going into the 4th density.

aqcheryl

04-08-2009, 12:59 AM

Then there are the OBE astral experiences, which start similarly to the others, but rather than resting near my body, I would immediately go into another place and consciously create my experiences. These would last much longer, 10 to 20 minutes real time (but seem like hours even), sometimes even longer. The same snapping back to the body would happen, but less frequently.

Both situations required trances to acces (for me at least) and I had to get into this by meditation and often the meditation part could last a long time depending on my mental state. There was a period where I was able to do these frequently, but right now they are infrequent for me. (I guess I am training less and more busy in the external world)

I have never had an OBE... I might have come close once. It was so long ago, but I vaguely remember seeing or feeling a chord.
I have had other occasions where Im pretty sure I astral'ed its just you know you wake up and after time start to question yourself what did you really see.

Those times did last a bit though, around the timeframe you said. Also though, I went somewhere Id never seen before, and I know I didnt create the environment out of my own imagination - so I feel it was an astral for this reason.

And the same, the only way I can get to this was meditation first, and I find that when you become busy in the physical... you lose track of keeping up on the spiritual, and so its kind of like you have to learn how to ride the bike all over again at least you remember what to expect this time :)

If the 4d world is this world (and it makes sense, but I'm not sure at all if it is exactly this) then it would be marvelous indeed. There is a great sense of freedom and joy in the astral plane and it is very visually similar to 3d but without the limitations. I would also like to learn more about other peoples thoughts on the 4d and astral planes. What do you think about the connection?

You know, Ive noticed that the astral plane usually reflects 3d reality, even if its not 3d limitations that got us there. So if it is the plane, it would make sense if we were meshed together and its just a higher more evolutionary way of thinking.
I do think its going to be a reality where our thoughts instantly manifest, were still going to have bodies, just our DNA is restructured to allow in more light within... and so we can manifest levitation and all that wonderful stuff, but theres still rules and limitations set. We still have to learn in 4d and we still have to overcome things, so I think Id say because of that... that in answer to your question I think the astral plane is a very good representation of 4d.

Quote:
"I would find it incredibly boring if everyone was strikingly beautiful. I want to see some differences. I LIKE lines that have formed on an old person's face, depending on their original features and the emotions that dominated their lifetime, I find that fascinating."

Personally healthy bodies and smells ect would make up for the lack of beauty in this world then again that might come across as being judgmental to those whom prefer sick people whom consume chemicals and poisons ect that keep them in a half a sleep state or a more manageable condition.

It might be possible we still will have those lines, but at the same time I think we all will be seeing the beauty within instead of on the outside, and thats where we would see the wonderful and unique differences.

AmentiHall

04-08-2009, 03:11 PM

Hi Adam of All, it depends on what terms/terminology you use.

Density is often interchanged with dimension.

In my opinion, the way I interpret all of this- is that the Astral IS the 4th dimension , or rather a part of it (you could say 3.5-4D)

When Ra speaks of density he is refferring to dimension according to how you and I see it. To me dimension and Density are not the same thing, because we are lookin at it from a human perspective. We are not a meta-super-conscious gestalt of being like RA is so we my idea of density is 3 dimensions. So 1 density =3 dimensions of being. Where areas 6=2. The idea of astral projection, dreaming and such is the idea of tapping into the 4th dimensional aspect of ourselves that truly does exist.

They have become seperate, the state of conscious 3d consciousnes and 4d consciousnes to do distortion within our Physical DNA template. This has to do with, from what I understand, some intervention the Elohim, Ra, and others had to do on behalf of us to save us from "higher frequency" attaching itself to earths grid, when Earths/human templates weren't ready to "hold" the frequency therefore they had to create a "barrier" or "fence" in order for these tones to not "plug in." In return this caused distortion and mutation within our DNA as the lower portions of ourself (or DNA) had a gap between the higher portions of themselves (higher self, astral, dream, hyperdimensional experiences ETC.) which is why we still experience both states but not quite "consciously" fit them together. When we are in 3d state of awareness we rarely tap into the etheric or astral bodies, although we can from time to time. While we have the ability to change this RIGHT NOW (thanks to ascension and alignment) it probably isn't as easy as it sounds.

This could also be why we must sleep, when we access higher portions of ourself in OBE's and dreamtime- we also acess higher frequencies which then probably come into the physical template and attribute to some of the "Recharing" we have. Since we must experience both, but there is a gap between the two states (currently) we tend to forget what happens in the other, or rather we are unconscious of the other. Sometimes they overlap. When you are in between the two states is when one can Astral Project. This is why when you Astral project you are seeing both realms, the 3d and some of the 4d.

This has much to do with humans in the past forgetting the law of one and deciding to go down the path of "service to self." This is what caused a "fall" so to speak from our original, multi-dimensional selves.

Desertrose

04-11-2009, 04:47 AM

Hi everyone,

I realize that life in 4D is 100% more harmonious than now. After the shift we’ll have a choice to remain as 3d space/time or go to 4D. But, when the time comes and we choose to ascend to 4D we’ll be able to take our body with us since it’s considered a shift in consciousness and not in the physical aspect of life. Sometimes I read not much change will be noticed, other times I read we’ll be very aware of what had happened Few questions:

• Will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3D (do we need to live in homes)?
• Do we need to go to work? Go to schools? How different from now will our life be regarding everyday living? Sometimes I read not much change will be noticed, other times I read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

Another question is

• Does 3D space/time mean that time stops? If yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3D space/time to 4D when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4D consciousness?
• Since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?

Would anyone know? Or am I just complicating and mixing things

Desertrose

conundrum

04-12-2009, 05:29 AM

I wonder what would cause disease of any kind? Isn't disease a disharmony within the body - "dis-ease". Also if our bodies are more dense with light, it seems strange that we could get diseases. I hope this wouldn't include depression.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immune_system

An immune system is a collection of biological processes within an organism that protects against disease by identifying and killing pathogens and tumour cells. It detects a wide variety of agents, from viruses to parasitic worms, and needs to distinguish them from the organism's own healthy cells and tissues in order to function properly. Detection is complicated as pathogens can evolve rapidly, producing adaptations that avoid the immune system and allow the pathogens to successfully infect their hosts.

The immune system can be fooled into not being able differentiate between the self and an invader at which point it attacks it self and eventually destroys itself unless it can identify the lie.

Kind of like a scape goat billy goat or kid possibly a sacrificial lamb but in reality other selves are just attacking them selves or a part of them selves that they can not recognize or will not accept as self survival of the fittest smartest or prettiest kind of thing.

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 07:17 AM

• Will we require the same shelter we were used to in 3D (do we need to live in homes)?
• Do we need to go to work? Go to schools? How different from now will our life be regarding everyday living?
Oh man, I tried my best to shorten my own response to this, but its still really long... so Im breaking up my posts LOL Heres section 1:
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I am no expert by any means, Im still learning, but Ill try to answer with what I have come to understand. Since we are not meant to have all the answers, there inevitably is speculation, and that clouds things. So we have to just keep in mind that whatever scenario we come to, we could be wrong LOL

In regards to our current reality:
As we are light beings, the physical is the illusion. Our DNA seems to be containers of 'the force' ;) And so based on our level of consciousness, the less we know, the less we grow, the more density our bodies have.

In regards to 4d reality:
That being said, when we remanifest, it will be into a new dimension - 4d. We will carry our illusions with us. The difference being with a higher level of collective consciousness and a focus on love, there will be harmony and no more war. As we created our 3d reality we will do the same in 4d, so we are not alone in our 'illusions'. We still have limitations, so our DNA still attracts density, and thus, bodies. They will be different, but I think at the molecular level, and thats why we wont notice outside of feeling healthier and better.
Because we still have density, we probably will still need some form of nourishment - so we will still need farmers. There will be many levels of learning - so there will still need to be teachers. We will still have our homes, and our transportation - these will evolve, so there will still be technicians. Things like that. Im pretty sure well still have animals too, and of course music, so we will still need musicians and 'pet shop owners' lol Healers instead of doctors.

In regards to what we lose:
Ra speaks of inconvenience(s). To me, this means we will lose the material things we have come to depend on. Look at how society as a whole was defining itself not by the value of who each person was, but instead by what car they had or what cell phone they had. However... I was reading that when ascension occurs earth will enter a new higher electromagnetic frequency. Does this mean all of our electronics will stop working? Or instead maybe they will still work, its just... we will quickly find we dont need them anymore, and so we have to deal the death blow to that bit of our personality.

In regards to the ascension process:
It seems to be that as our ascension is not based on evolution, but instead on obtaining a higher level of consciousness - so then it follows that we will not 'die' physically, our bodies will just remanifest in 4d in a upgraded body.
In 2012 Enigma, David speaks of how science shows its highly probable if not practically certain that in 2012 the earth will flatline for 6 seconds.
Earth seems to be the heart of all density life... so its akin to us having a heart attack, and having a near death experience... and my best guess is that as with a NDE, we will have an out of body experience, and while we are out of body we will have all the access to the higher realm of knowledge as we do in death except we are not going to die. At the end of the 6 seconds, the earth will have been jumpstarted again, and we are brought back to our bodies. And I think while we are having the OBE, our bodies go through the DNA change from 3 strands to.... ?#.. so I think that to ascend we will need to hold more light, and that needs more DNA strands, and its quite possible that we may have to have the OBE else to stay in our bodies we wouldnt survive it.

In regards to what happens to our 3d bodies:
So we dont know what happens beyond that either we will disappear, or there will be an empty shell. If like above our DNA restructures, then to me that implies we will still have the same body, just upgraded... and therefore in 3d, I suppose that means we disappear - unless we choose to go back to 3d. But we could also just shed the skin like a snake does... maybe thats what all those FEMA coffins really are for. lol

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 07:24 AM

Sometimes I read not much change will be noticed, other times I read we’ll be very aware of what had happened.

• Does 3D space/time mean that time stops? If yes, then would our next step be to ascend from 3D space/time to 4D when our consciousness level shifts to meet that of earth’s 4D consciousness?
• Since space/time is another parallel to our reality which will last 100-200 years, what are the ways to end it?

Part deux lol
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In regards to the change being noticed:
My understanding is the notice comes with our current level of knowledge. For example those of us who are well familiarized with OBE, astral, etc - we are more prepared to immediately see and remember the advanced knowledge, and therefore can handle it. Someone who however has never meditated or perhaps even believes in meditation etc,... they are still going to 'download' the information - but they wont notice.

In regards to our choices:
Heres the rundown of what Ive been reading. I think Im understanding this right lol

**SERVICE TO OTHERS**
(remember we only need be 51% to qualify.)
CHOICE 1: We can choose to not remanifest at all. We can dissever from our bodies and perhaps stay 'up there' as spirit guides or such.

CHOICE 2: (and probably what most will choose) We remanifest back to our illusions, but in 4th dimension. We can choose to come back remembering everything we have learned while 'away', or we can choose to let it come to us gradually. I think if we choose to come back remembering everything, there is a responsibility attached to it, perhaps the condition being we must become teachers. I doubt thats an issue lol

CHOICE 3: We can choose to go back to the 3rd dimension, and we will have to stay there until the next ascension occurs. It is that ascension that I believe those who still do not 'ascend' to 4th will be transported to a new 3d planet. Im thinking this is because each dimension can affect the other. We may progress to 4d but we are still on the same earth as those in 3d. Only since its a different dimension we can have the cleaner earth. Those of us who went back to this 3d to try and help those who couldnt ascent the first time, will rejoin everyone in 4d.

**SERVICE TO SELF**
(50% on down...)
They will not be able to accept the light that comes with the evolution of consciousness, and so they will essentially not ascend. They probably will not even be aware the ascension took place. Its quite possible everyone missing will be considered casualties of war or something. They are good people, but they need guidance, so that they can later ascend.

I think if a service to others chose #3, they would come back to 3d but have ascension powers. At this point, theyd have to, because time is quickly running out for those who still need to ascend. Is it 100-200 years? I thought I read a much larger timespan then that for some reason. But that makes sense - it would mean they basically have just one more reincarnation to get it right. So a typical life is up to 80 years... plus the remainder of their days from this life... cant equal more than 200...

In regards to our loved ones ascending:
Now this... it is not our thoughts that define who we are, it is our choices on how we act with those thoughts. There are still 4d negatives and I bet they still try to impose their thoughts on 4d'ers. So I dont believe that the thought will instantly manifest - unless we choose to allow it to by feeding it belief or fear. And once we make that choice, and only once the choice is made, then it will manifest, and manifest instantly. But even if we make that mistake we can instantly choose to banish it and make it go away too. So... therefore I believe that I can look at my family and friends and feel comfort in knowing they will ascend because by their actions they are service to others. No one is 100% but you know, again, only needs to be 51%.

In regards to time stopping:
I think that only happens once we manifest into the 4d reality. So in actuality the real question is how do those in 4d ascend to 5d. I think its different rules at that point. 4d still has a cap in their learning. They still need to 'graduate'. Perhaps once they have learned everything in 4d, they can then ascend to 5d, or stay on 4d to help those in 4d continue to grow.
I do think we still 'die' in 4d, but its more of choice than bodies giving out on us. So we do reincarnate. We can choose to 'grow old' too.

Purple Dragon

04-12-2009, 01:46 PM

Great post aqcheryl! Lots of good information. A few things that I would like to add as well from what I have read. I'm not going to quote as the post is long & everyone should just read the whole thing :)

First off, moving into 4d, I think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. Although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. For example, Ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. And although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". Eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.

Loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what I understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. I think materials are one thing that our Ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games :o

As for the choices for STO & STS, I believe Ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. Each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the Mayan cycle?) So either we move on, or we move away. Our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (I think this is just like Venus has life but in higher dimensions). So if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as Wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

As for the STS, for them to move to 4d they need to be 90 or 95% + STS (Can`t remember exactly) to move on to 4d negative, otherwise they move to another 3d planet to continue learning to either get 51%+ STO or 95%+ STS.

Our loved one`s have the same choice we do, and their decision is their own. Remember we are all one so technically the entire world is our loved ones.

As for time, Ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me. It`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. So time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

Well Desertrose I hope all that information helped you! :D

aqcheryl

04-12-2009, 04:12 PM

First off, moving into 4d, I think it is a fast and yet gradual move all at the same time. Although many things will change, there will be a learning time for us to transition into the 4d. For example, Ra stated that "4th density is not of words, unless chosen." meaning we will become telepathic. And although we will need to consume food, it will be very easy to acquire as we will communicate better with the "living foodstuff". Eating will teach us patience more than sustain our bodies.

Oh yes, I was just posting that I think Im seeing physical symptoms with us already - not just spiritual, and wondering if others are seeing/experiencing as well.

Loosing material possessions and property will most likely be a given, as from what I understand we will be moving into a group soul form instead of all being individuals. I think materials are one thing that our Ego has been abusing causing us to forget our true nature anyway, so this should end up being a good thing, although we will probably still miss some of our favorite tv shows and/or video games :o

At the same time, and yes the video games is the first thing to hit me hard when learning of ascension LOL, we will be able to live the video game if we so choose. So eventually we will come to realize we can walk in a World of Warcraft (I dont know that game if its really all war, but just use it as an example... or say world of peacecraft LOL)

I do think we will still manifest the homes but I think its because theres a transition after the ascension not just before or during. People have to gradually come into acceptance they are in a new dimension and such and they cant do that if they lose everything they know instantly. So I think what you are saying it will come to pass, but maybe as we progress further towards the middle to end of our 4d learning?

As for the choices for STO & STS, I believe Ra has said that this harvest is the last of 3, which was a 75,000 year cycle. Each cycles lasts 25,000 (give or take, could in fact be closer to the Mayan cycle?) So either we move on, or we move away. Our planet will no longer be able to sustain any 3d entities as it will be inhabitable for them (I think this is just like Venus has life but in higher dimensions). So if we chose to stay with our group soul, we will be in 4d with our planet, else we may move to another 3d planet just as Wanderer`s have come here to help this planet.

Yes see this is one of the things Ive also read, as well as also reading theres the short time period after before we eventually have to 'move'. I originally was trying to say that personally Im still learning so I dont know or have my own opinion on this part... but I had to edit so much I cant remember if I kept that in. If not, well Im saying it now LOL

As for time, Ra has said it is a movement from space/time to time/space which is still confusing to me.
Me too. And Im still trying to understand the quantum physics aspect of the things David first mentions in 2012 Enigma... like the particle board waves flipping over and what exactly that means to them... Im so confused on it I cant ask a question because Im confused to what the question should be ROFL
That and the geometry, and how its relating to matter. And my strong skill is math, I loved geometry. I loved science class too. But this, not computing. Need more info. LOL Im sure I will find it too hehe

It`s something like right now time is linear and space is vast and we can move around in it so in 4d space will become linear and time we can move around in. So time will exist, but we are going to have a whole new set of rules to follow that we are not allowed to learn until that time comes (we probably wouldn`t understand it anyway!)

I cant even grasp what non-linear time is or would be. The lyrics I have in my siggie popped in my head again, in response to our understanding. :)

FooSnik

04-12-2009, 07:24 PM

From what I understand about the 4D realm is that it all hinges on one thing: we will become 100 times more empathic and psychic.

This will have a massive chain reaction.

#1 If we are 100 times more empathic, and we do something bad to someone, we will feel that other person's pain as if it was our own. If every time I punched you and I felt the punch in my own cheek then I would be very likely to quit punching people. LOL Sounds funny but it is a good example of how 100 times more empathy will create 100 times more peace, love and understanding.

#2 If we are 100 times more empathic then we are likely to feel the pain of the Earth herself. And we will be much more likely to tread gently on her and not damage her the way we have been. So we will live at one with the Earth.

#3 If we are 100 times more psychic we will pick up the signals of the universe itself. And being that the energy of the universe is made of love and is inherently good then we are going to radiate that love outwards 100 times more than we are now.

#4 There are masters of the art of meditation that can live off of light for long periods of time. If they can do this now then when we have 100 times more mental strength we will surely be able to master this art as well, easily. So the need for food will be far less if not null and void. You know, the whole mind over matter thing.

I have heard that we will have more of a light body. This sounds awesome. And it makes sense. If we are moving to a place of less density then you would think that our bodies will be less dense as well. Meaning all sparkly, shiny, and light.

Ooooo... I can't wait. :D

Desertrose

04-12-2009, 11:58 PM

mmariebored

04-13-2009, 01:37 PM

Thanks for all the responses. I am so grateful to have found this website. It is soul healing and very informative. I wish more people are open to my thoughts about 2012 and beyond but this is the only place I can discuss it openly without having someone criticise or make fun of it.

I think they get caught with the fear factor related to the inconveniences which we will experience. I live in the Middle East (third world country) and around here no one around me is really prepared for any of the 2012 stuff, instead it is considered foolishness. It is unfortunate of course that ignorance rules in this part of the world which is making me think that maybe the inconveniences of earth will mostly hit areas where people are ignorant (which are the third world countries). And when I say inconveniences I mean earthquakes and floods and so on. Maybe I should go back to Canada while I can. People there seem more open to me when I talk about metaphysical issues. :)

Isn't it funny(not in a haha kind of way) how the less 'civilized' places have the least worries over such matters? It makes me wonder about the reasons for that. Much ado? Can it be that the more education we recieve on these issues will make no difference in our 'ascention'?

It seems the important thing is to keep our own spirits up and do our part to keep the spirits up of the people around us.

Still, I do love the hunt for information.:o

conundrum

04-13-2009, 06:10 PM

It is unfortunate of course that ignorance rules in this part of the world which is making me think that maybe the inconveniences of earth will mostly hit areas where people are ignorant

When you are ignorant you take things at face value and get on with life when you are arrogant you think you know every thing when in reality you know nothing besides some things are better known .

:eek:

LordDragon

04-14-2009, 09:15 AM

@FooSnik

I have heard that we will have more of a light body. This sounds awesome. And it makes sense. If we are moving to a place of less density then you would think that our bodies will be less dense as well. Meaning all sparkly, shiny, and light.

What if you already have that light body? But your still running the program to see it as matter? When meditating i can see this world this matter al the objects, as if they are existing out of light en schadow particles. Between everything there are tiny silver lines on wich little silverlight bulbs move. Everything is connected, heaven is on earth, but most of us still running the program to see it as matter. Think about the movie the matrix, as Neo starts to believe in the matrix he is able to see trough it, and the end of the third movie it seems he doesnt need technology anymore, he has become one with the matrix. He doesnt sees as programmed anymore he has become the program. Use the law of of oneness, see the whole thing=become the whole thing=become one again.

@all

People who read the divine cosmos books maybe noticed the part about Zykorev. Adding energy can reduce mass. This is also true with your fysical body. So this body you are in now can indeed become less dense. Imagine you find a way to take energy straight out of the earths elektromagneticfield with your aura. Or even better, imagine a world full of love which is also a sort of energy, and we would (possibly)have the required energy. Anyone familiar with the Celestine Vision?

Becoming one to me also means become one with your body. Your body seems to be solid matter but in reality no such thing exists. In reality your body is made up out of elementary particles wich move around in high speed. They create the illusion of solid matter, but science has proved more than 90% of our body is emptyness. So in essence our body is already a swarm of quarks, the hindoes called them the paramanus, which means something as tiny light parts.

many of you know they have an energy field but they cant see it. Imagine one day you can see the energyfield. What then is really changed? Reality? I dont think so.Reality is always reality the problem was you could only see part of it. What has really changed is you, you have become one again. It is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. Like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. That's how i see it. So there is no need to be afraid. That's not the purpose of Ra's material. You can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.

Blessings, LD.

aqcheryl

04-14-2009, 10:37 PM

It is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. Like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. That's how i see it. So there is no need to be afraid. That's not the purpose of Ra's material. You can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.

Once again very wise words :)
And youre right its not a matter of dying on a physical level. Its more of a... upgrade. Were going to evolve consciously and that means were going to learn how to put the information given to us to effect.
Like riding a bike... some people can just hop on and do it - they will instantly know how to use the information.
Then theres those who get on but it takes practice before they master it - these are the people who will most likely look the same for quite some time, because they wont understand how to move matter, or that matter makes up our body and that we have the control to change it.

When we download the new information were going to see our bodies in a different way and how we run them, and were going to essentially transform how we work into a better product. Human version 2.0 (I say 2.0 cause right now Im under the impression we are in our first human body...kind of like the rough draft)

So were going to restructure our bodies, and tell them to get rid of the unnecessary parts, and to modify other parts to function at a higher more organized level. So who knows we might get rid of the kidneys because we wont need them anymore. We might advance the heart to work in a different way, that it does not tire out as we grow older as it does here in 3d.

FooSnik

04-15-2009, 08:33 PM

@FooSnik

What if you already have that light body? But your still running the program to see it as matter? When meditating i can see this world this matter al the objects, as if they are existing out of light en schadow particles. Between everything there are tiny silver lines on wich little silverlight bulbs move. Everything is connected, heaven is on earth, but most of us still running the program to see it as matter. Think about the movie the matrix, as Neo starts to believe in the matrix he is able to see trough it, and the end of the third movie it seems he doesnt need technology anymore, he has become one with the matrix. He doesnt sees as programmed anymore he has become the program. Use the law of of oneness, see the whole thing=become the whole thing=become one again.

@all

People who read the divine cosmos books maybe noticed the part about Zykorev. Adding energy can reduce mass. This is also true with your fysical body. So this body you are in now can indeed become less dense. Imagine you find a way to take energy straight out of the earths elektromagneticfield with your aura. Or even better, imagine a world full of love which is also a sort of energy, and we would (possibly)have the required energy. Anyone familiar with the Celestine Vision?

Becoming one to me also means become one with your body. Your body seems to be solid matter but in reality no such thing exists. In reality your body is made up out of elementary particles wich move around in high speed. They create the illusion of solid matter, but science has proved more than 90% of our body is emptyness. So in essence our body is already a swarm of quarks, the hindoes called them the paramanus, which means something as tiny light parts.

many of you know they have an energy field but they cant see it. Imagine one day you can see the energyfield. What then is really changed? Reality? I dont think so.Reality is always reality the problem was you could only see part of it. What has really changed is you, you have become one again. It is gonna be the same when you enter 4d; you will not lose your bodies and die, you will become something totally new, a step forward in evolution of human kind, a new human being. Like the old cultures refer to the cocooning proces of the butterfly. That's how i see it. So there is no need to be afraid. That's not the purpose of Ra's material. You can die and be reborn in this body, thats a kind of metafysical death, but it's a spiritual rebirth.

Blessings, LD.

Yes I agree Lord Dragon. But the thing with me is that I have entered a "realism" stage. I know that anything is possible. And, if we remove all doubt from our minds, we could start flying around like superman. But realistically, do you think that is actually going to happen? There are monks who spend their whole lives meditating in order to be able to levitate. And a small amount of levitating has been accomplished, I think. But I am not being negative when I say that nobody is gonna start flying around here anytime soon. Yes, everything is made of light, right now, even our bodies. But when I get up too fast and hit my head on that bar above my seat on the train, that bar that is made of light feels awfully damn hard. LOL

I think the key words are patience and timing. We aren't meant to be flying or have a light body until the time is right.

All in balance. A little bit of dreaming and a little bit of realism. Go too extreme in either territory and we start to lose touch.

Strider44

04-17-2009, 07:08 AM

I know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from RA... Theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

LordDragon

04-17-2009, 10:05 AM

@strider

Could it be possible Ra does'nt want to spoil the fun? I mean he leaves us our own path so that we may discover this ourselves. The words " less dense" give us a clue. Maybe that's why people start thinking about telepatics and levitation, etc.

Next to Ra's knowledge there are other wise scripts. Like the tale of Carlos Castaneda and Don Juan. The way of the warrior. There is also the nagual, the active part of infinity, wich we are part of. As you read the books you wil see that Don Juan, also tries to say things in an indirect way, he even sometimes makes jokes about it what brings Carlos in complete chaos. But Don Juan clearly want's his pupil to discover things himself, to make his own decisions etc. I believe Ra is also doing it this way.

If you think out of free wil, this also means freedom of choice. So they have to make sure we make use of it and choose ourselves.

Blessings, LD.

Desertrose

04-17-2009, 11:14 PM

Ultramind

07-27-2009, 12:23 AM

Hi everyone,

After earth ascends, I wonder if those who don’t ascend with earth and have to repeat 3D on another planet, would they have to wait for their planet to ascend to 4d before they can too? Or would they be able to (based on their spiritual growth) ascend to 4D when they are ready without having to wait for their planet to.

Does anyone know if people on earth ascended to 4D before? I don’t mean those who came down to earth from a higher dimension to help us and then went back to their own dimension when they completed their work on earth. But rather actual people who lived out their 3D experiences and became ready for 4D.

Desertrose

My understanding from the Social Memory Complex of Ra is that these entities that where transferred to another 3D planet of compatible vibratory rates would then be able to choose their entrance into 4th density once they reached the end or last sub octave of 3rd density and where able to ascend to 4th. Ra mentions that some of Elders race chose to ascend and others choose to stay behind to help the other 3D entities of this plane of existence. I would imagine that at the moment that the entity understood how to balance itself in accordance with the vibratory conditions of 4th density and could very well move up it would boil down to the free will of this particular entity. It may choose to stay or it may choose to let go and move closer to the One Infinite Creator.

Love and Light to all.

Nirvana

09-07-2009, 03:34 AM

I sort of get the understanding that all the talk of the end of the world (death to a simpler meaning) is part of the test. If you truly believe the creator would end your existance in a glimpse of an eye with no story to tell behind it, you have not grasped the concept of infinity and the grandmaster intelligence behind the whole evolution system.

For me, its about accepting that death is a beginning and that by fearing death, you fear to re-unite with yourself, the source, the everything and nothing. - Once i understood this, i started the path of self-acceptence. I think this is really important.

A wise man once said that you can never truly love others unless you truly love yourself. This also corresponds with alot of RA material and other theories. This is so right..

Love yourself, accept your flaws and your bests, look into your enemies eyes and see only yourself. - This is the path of galactic conciousness as i see it.

Love and harmony.

Tbonyandsteak

09-09-2009, 01:55 PM

Had a ascention dream as a child.
It was a strange clear dream and yet as the most natural wonderful thing you could imagine.

All child worries, guilt and dependencies in mind where removed.
I just became myself again, as the full person I am.
The dream showed we all are like this.
Huge grand personalities.
We were so powerfull we could change things just by the thought of it.

However we were not ready yet for such a power,
We needed to be more mature.
that was a secondary message, The main message was not to worry, have guilt and dependencies
such things was not nessecary.
Those things just put a curtain for your eyes on who you really are.

The funny thing it was 35 years ago. I had absolute no knodledge about higher self, religion, 2012 and such.
I was totally unaware of such things.
Had absolute no Idea what to make of that dream.
Until a couple of years ago when all this became a subject on youtube.

So if that dream was a message, It was just about to become yourself
and remember again who you really are.

regards

HardKnockSoldi3r

09-12-2009, 04:34 AM

If you've watched the video when David was talking to a group of people, he explains how the mayan calendar is divided by Phi, or 1.618 repeatedly until it came to an undivisible length of time. Each point in time where the calendar was divided by phi, something of great significance happened. Jesus, Buddha, some very recent ones I do not remember.

As you can see, towards the end, the intervals will be days, hours, minutes then seconds apart. "Project looking glass" was a man made "pineal gland" that you could tap into time/space without entering it. When the people using it played earths time it would flash repeatedly and then turn pure white. This is the " you create your own reality" time. Also, there IS a possibility of Earth turning into a negative planet. This is highly unlikely because there are more positively oriented people ready for harvest than negative.

David also says with regards of Ra is that many of us will not be able to turn invisible as to be hidden from the 3D beings in the beginning. Our DNA will ahve more light, thus easier to control and manipulate to whatever it needs. Though, the energy in 4D is incredibly more powerful and useful than that of 3D.

csimon

09-12-2009, 08:47 AM

How we percieve 4D to 5D to 6D etc. transitions is relative to our perception of 1D to 2D to 3D etc. transitions theoretically. The signicance or insignificance thereof of 1D perception from the perspective of 3D can be similar in perception to 3D from 5D, however, the frequency of each is quite vastly different.

So why do we dwell so much in this 4D awakening transition? The answer can be put simple. Because we currently and commonly dwell in 3D, and 4D is the frequency in which we are headed. Eventually this transition will hardly seem to matter but for now this is where we are. And this is a very important step in who we are becomming relative to now.

What lies between 3D and 4D is also relative between 2D and 3D ...relatively. The frequencies are so different between them, and from that point one can begin to understand that with each upward transition all things are "more powerful" or "sped up" if you will. The higher the frequency the greater the number of facets, of which the greater number of choices, opportunities, paths, etc .... At some point levitation, telepathy, teleportation, and all things supernatural become even commonplace. Much for most to comprehend at this point yet conceivable. Perhaps one step closer if not fully the tranistion to becoming one with all things.

Also, 3D may be seen in 4D but not vice versa, fully. 4D is only ghosted in the 3D realm. Thus, the increasing transitions are apparantly downward compatible but not totally upward compatible if you will. A clearer understaing of 3D may be had from a 4D+ point perspective as well. But likewise, the study of 4D from the 3D perspective is quite confusing and challenging to say the least. And quite impossible for most to even comprehend. Some of the greatest minds even now still have doubts of the 4D existence.

How profound is it at this point that all things exist infinitely?

HardKnockSoldi3r

09-15-2009, 10:54 AM

How profound is it at this point that all things exist infinitely?

Quite.

What is all encompassing, always was, will be and is, and never dies?

God

What is all encompassing, always was, will be and is, and never dies?

Energy

All things that exist are a form of (conscious) energy in different forms. I consider language as a prerequisite to communication. language in my opinion is the potential interaction of one unit of consciousness with one or more other units of consciousness. I think this leads to communiation.

Since all is conscious, all is a form of language and communication, obviously in incredible variations and combinations. Is this how we learn? Is this an essential scientific an divine element of experience and ascencion?

I'm beginning to realize that you must have a certain quality of compassion, which is the harmonic frequency of 4D. All Densities exist at the same time, but only one is concentrated on, hence the Densities. 2D is about emotional developement, which creates the need for companionship and family to survive. To transition, you have to develope a strong awareness of mental and intellectual capability to ascend to 3D. The densities "guide" us in earning/experiencing these concentrated energy frequencies.

So, you have to harness the awareness of compassion, which will be quite obvious when this begins to happen, like the time I went down stairs and randomly was attracted to a picture of my brother, which triggered memories of the pain he had growing up, and the empathy I felt fo him. I cried for about a 1/2 hour. I grew up with alcoholics, so crying is extremely difficult.
This was no coincidence. This is 4D energy of compassion/love in the 3D.

(I believe that w have memory complexes of energy stored in all of our different bodies that has been aquired through carnations. So even though I was born into a hellish scenario, I still am very aware of how powerful my emotions can be and in numerous ways and combinations, which I kno i didnt learn in this incarnation. I dont know if it is possible, IMO to lose that memory due to karma, like the people of Maldek; the planet of people who blew up their planet which is now the asteroid belt, according to the Ra radings)

This is what I think is accurate.

Pentanee

10-09-2009, 10:53 PM

I believe that RA stated that Jesus was from the top of the 4th density when he came to Earth to do his controversial mission. So we can maybe assume that what he did, others in 4D will also do. It is also noteworthy that he said: "you cannot put new wine in old wine skins because the new wine will wreck the wine skins and spill out until both are ruined." This is essentially what Ra has corroborated.

The way I look at this problem is like a caterpillar in a cocoon, which dissolves into basic amino acids and then lets energy put him back together again as a butterfly. This is one of the greatest miracles of nature.

Does the caterpillar die? or does it sleep it's way into a transformation? Is this not the real meaning of Jesus' words :You must be born again...( at 4th density?)

I pray every night
that I can live
to get some energy
And then I pray
that I can die
and wake up in 4D

evolving

10-12-2009, 08:08 PM

I can't imagine people of a "higher D" being so fickle, prefering the appearences people in "3D" find attractive. If it's more about the mind, it's understandable that the mind moves past that. Just as it was meant to..

It is not about being fickle. Just as a child plays with new toys, one will play with their appearance. Also, just as a child outgrows toys, so will you outgrow playing with your appearance. All are learning experiences.

evolving

10-12-2009, 08:49 PM

I know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from RA... Theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

There is no description because the reality will be that which the soul makes it, and each souls reality will, therefore, be different.

twva

10-18-2009, 09:57 AM

I know how crazy that sounds thats why im looking for the specific description of 4d life from RA... Theres nothing in the harvest or densities chapters..

Questioner: Thank you. Is it possible for you to give a short description of the conditions in the fourth density?

Ra: I am Ra. We ask you to consider as we speak that there are not words for positively describing fourth density. We can only explain what is not and approximate what is. Beyond fourth density our ability grows more limited until we become without words.

That which fourth density is not: it is not of words, unless chosen. It is not of heavy chemical vehicles for body complex activities. It is not of disharmony within self. It is not of disharmony within peoples. It is not within limits of possibility to cause disharmony in any way.

Approximations of positive statements: it is a plane of type of bipedal vehicle which is much denser and more full of life; it is a plane wherein one is aware of the thought of other-selves; it is a plane wherein one is aware of vibrations of other-selves; it is a plane of compassion and understanding of the sorrows of third density; it is a plane striving towards wisdom or light; it is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus.

http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=16&sc=1&ss=1#44

Just Be

11-13-2009, 07:34 PM

evolving

11-13-2009, 08:06 PM

Does one need to be 'awakened' to ascend?

I believe the Law of One states that the only requirement is that we are more of service to others. I also understand that when we ascend to 4D, life would still feel the same as before and many of us would not even realize we've ascended.

So if life isnt going to magically change before our eyes, and we are suppose to be preparing ourselves for ascension by opening our hearts to the light with each moment of our current lives....then how do others who are not awakened but are 51% 'service to others' going to make it into ascension w/o being in the state of fear?

For example, my husband has always been doing deeds for others more so than himself...as a matter of fact, he's one of the most giving person I have ever known. However, he is still blinding trusting the government and mass media, dumping toxicity from food and drugs into his body, and still not understanding how to trust his own intuition.

I believe Ra said this most eloquently:

(http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1)
17 (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1).15 (http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=17&ss=1#15) Questioner: I would like to make a point clear now that I am sure of myself. The people of this planet, following any religion or no religion at all, or having no intellectual knowledge at all of the Law of One, can still be harvested into the fourth density if they are of that vibration. Is that not correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. However, you will find few who are harvestable whose radiance does not cause others to be aware of their, what you may call, spirituality, the quality of the mind/body/spirit complex distortion. Thus, it is not particularly probable that an entity would be completely unknown to his immediate acquaintances as an unusually radiant personality, even were this individual not caught up in any of the distortions of your so-called religious systems.
If he ascends, than wouldnt he be so confused and fearful of the unknown b/c he never really awakened?

Ascension does not just happen. There is the process prior to the rebirth :)

Just Be

11-14-2009, 09:04 PM

Hi Evolving,

Thanks for the response. Ascension does not just happen. There is the process prior to the rebirth

I just learned this morning from my husband that he doesnt read/watch politics as much anymore. This was a surprise to me since he has always been a news junkie. He said it was because it was all just too depressing.

He also recently been doing very well adhering to his new diet. Of course, his version of 'healthy' is only relative to what it was before. He now eats commercially produced yogurt packed with sugar and preservatives as opposed to potato chips loaded with msg and trans fat like before.

Although he is not truly 'awakened' to the reality of the conspiracies behind our government, news media, health agendas, etc. However, he is making progress in his own ways to being mentally and physically healthier.

Does this mean..when the transition occurs, he'll make it ...but he will continue to be transforming at his own pace?

evolving

11-15-2009, 12:27 PM

Does this mean..when the transition occurs, he'll make it ...but he will continue to be transforming at his own pace?

All will "make it", but not the way you subscribe to thinking at current.

Your husband, as will we all, will go towards the light of the One Creator. The point at which he falls away from the path of the light will determine where his new placement will be. This is the part of the process to which I referred.

Some children run straight where they are going, and some meander. There is no good or bad or right or wrong in it. It just is, as each is on their own path back to the One Creator, in their own time and and their own way. Allow him his way :) as he allows you yours :) Love all for it is perfect in the eyes of the One Creator.

SometimesThere

11-19-2009, 09:31 PM

QandA

12-10-2009, 06:01 PM

hey i don't know if many people have thought about this before, but when Ra describes the fourth density he says it is not spacetime, it's timespace. since here in spacetime we have 3 dimensions of space in which to travel and 1 dimension of time to travel (past -> future), timespace has 3 dimensional time and 1 dimensional space. so 3 dimensional time is quite a leap for our measly consciousness' to comprehend, so i'll assume only that that implies some sort of time travel capability...

1 dimensional space must mean that you exist as a singularity of some sort. a lone sphere of consciousness which projects a 3dimensional (or 4dimensional? who knows) world hologram around their perceived body/sphere. like say your consciousness is the light of a projector, projecting whatever you'd like to see/experience, whilst playing around with time of course :D. OR, could a single dimensional time experience be like an uncontrolled course from A to B, spatially. as in, say, the orbit of a planet. you are born, and you're moving away from life source, literally, on your way to your death.

evolving

12-12-2009, 03:13 PM

Hey everyone, I also have a few questions I've been wondering about for a while:

I've heard some people say that before you enter 4D, you have to go to another place first - like a waiting room, I guess. I'm curious about this 'waiting room'. When there, is that where we are split into those who are harvestable, and those you aren't?

Once we reach 4D will it seem to be a replica of the reality we live in now? Is it only with time will we realise, 'Hey! This ain't 3D, it's 4D!'

Also, I heard there was different 'levels' of 4D, could anyone please explain these levels to me? Is there much a difference between the levels?

There is no precise clarity on the process. From what I have read of Ra, there will be three densities helping in the process, which is a great honor for them. Mind/body/spirit complexes that are ready to ascend and have already attained the required polarization will remain (those with duel activated bodies), though the form will change, ie to heavier density bodies, and the 3rd density bodies will simply, to put it as so we can understand it, phase shift away; so will the mind/bodies of those that are not clearly ready, and those spirits will move to the light and fall away as per their ability to withstand the light. At the falling away from the light, each will be placed according to it's spiritual evolution, for sto complex this will be either back on earth (4D) or on another planet (3D). Sts complex will all be moved to other places, whether it be 3D or 4D, as earth will used for 1,2, and 4D.

The "waiting room" you speak of would be for those that will be reflecting/healing on their 3D experiences, and preparing for return to earth or a cycle elsewhere.

Earth will "reset" itself, and though largely unchanged, there will be much less "clutter". Technology, buildings, plastics, alloys, etc, etc etc etcwill no longer be part of earths vibration.

The levels are infinite, just as they are infinite in 3D. We do not see or recognize them here, so it is also of no consequence to understand them in 4D while in 3D.

hey i don't know if many people have thought about this before, but when Ra describes the fourth density he says it is not spacetime, it's timespace. since here in spacetime we have 3 dimensions of space in which to travel and 1 dimension of time to travel (past -> future), timespace has 3 dimensional time and 1 dimensional space. so 3 dimensional time is quite a leap for our measly consciousness' to comprehend, so i'll assume only that that implies some sort of time travel capability...

1 dimensional space must mean that you exist as a singularity of some sort. a lone sphere of consciousness which projects a 3dimensional (or 4dimensional? who knows) world hologram around their perceived body/sphere. like say your consciousness is the light of a projector, projecting whatever you'd like to see/experience, whilst playing around with time of course :D. OR, could a single dimensional time experience be like an uncontrolled course from A to B, spatially. as in, say, the orbit of a planet. you are born, and you're moving away from life source, literally, on your way to your death.

Time/space "movement" is thought based. You think of the location where you want to be and there you are. Time is multi-dimensional, so you can move around in it while at the location you have thought to be at.

NegaNova

01-03-2010, 09:42 PM

Alright so, I have been reading the Law of One and am now at like.. session 76, so I'm not sure if they continue in gaining information regarding the whole idea of a social memory complex but it's definitely one of the topics I'm most interested in since we are going into fourth density, and a social memory complex is one attribute of this reality.

Anyways.. I was curious, does anyone have any idea how a social memory complex might be formed? I know Ra talks about how on some very rare occasions a social memory complex has been achieved in third density, but I don't remember any information explaining how this was done. Is it through technology, or some form of telepathy?

Also, I'm open to anyone's theories into this idea. I find it very fascinating lol.

Perseus

01-04-2010, 05:54 AM

Personally from my own journey and experiences I believe awakening into 4D is all about opening up to Love and Compassion for others as well as ourselves. This is all relative to the heart chakra and when we do this with regard to others and the earth we are vibrating in green ray/ 4D.

People are becoming more aware of energy in the healing sense as well as increased abilities and awareness in clair-sentience, cogniscence,audience and voyance. Although these labels may not be recognised.

Sam Womelsdorf

01-04-2010, 12:04 PM

Hi NegaNova. With regards to a Social Memory Complex forming, would not the Akashic Records or the Christ Consciousness Grid be related subjects worth investigating/contemplating?

NegaNova

01-04-2010, 05:03 PM

Hi NegaNova. With regards to a Social Memory Complex forming, would not the Akashic Records or the Christ Consciousness Grid be related subjects worth investigating/contemplating?

To be honest, I'm not very familiar at all with the Akashic Records or the Christ Consciousness Grid. I've heard of the Akashic Records, but I never bothered to look into it. Do you think you could expand?

clairead

01-05-2010, 07:23 PM

To be honest, I'm not very familiar at all with the Akashic Records or the Christ Consciousness Grid. I've heard of the Akashic Records, but I never bothered to look into it. Do you think you could expand?

Hi NegaNova,
My understanding is that the Social Memory Complex is a 'race memory' and an 'agreed upon space-time concensus reality'. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

The Akashic Record is the record of all lives on all planets in all densities in the physical plane and 'above' - think of the Hall of Records in 'Defending Your Life' only moreso. It contains not only what was actually done but all of the possibilities. It is available in all upper density constructs to anyone.

Peace and love,
kelly

eagleye

01-05-2010, 09:16 PM

A social memory complex, in the context of what you are asking, is a state of expanded consciousness reached through a melding together of seeming separate mind/body/spirit complexes or entities to think, feel, and act as one entity. The melding eventually becomes complete so that they view their perception as only one being. This being is more powerful and less distorted in its perception, although the elements of the original mind/spirit complexes are not lost but added to through the combination of the knowledge, thoughts, and experiences of the individual beings. This could be thousands, millions or even billions of separate entities. At that point the entity does have the ability to release individual parts of itself back to the state of the individual mind/body/spirit complexes, such as for the purpose of sending a wanderer to incarnate in the aid to those who call for help. When the wanderer is done with its incarnate third density life it can then recombine back into the mind of the social memory complex so that its experiences in third density become those of the whole. The social memory complex has a social memory or shared “group memory”.

A completely melded social memory complex basically consists of an entire planetary society that have lived and evolved together over a very long period of time while working toward common goals. The goals could be either for service to self or service to others. The beings living on such a planet eventually become so harmonious in their thinking and actions that they eventually choose to meld together in order to evolve spiritually and continue on their journey back to the oneness of consciousness. All beings will eventually get to this point. Entities from forth density onward are completely telepathic and this is the way it is achieved. It is possible to become telepathic in this way in a positive late third density planet, but it is very rare to achieve the kind of harmony needed to form a social memory complex. It is mainly a forth density phenomenon although it does rarely occur on some planets in the third density. Here is a quote to show this:

Questioner: Is it possible for a third-density planet to form a social memory complex which operates in third-density?

Ra: I am Ra. It is possible only in the latter or seventh portion of such a density when entities are harmoniously readying for graduation.

Questioner: Could you give me an example of a planet of this nature, both a third-density service-to-others type and a third-density service-to-self type at this level of attainment?

Ra: I am Ra. As far as we are aware there are no negatively oriented third-density social memory complexes. Positively oriented social memory complexes of third-density are not unheard of but quite rare. However, an entity from the star Sirius’ planetary body has approached this planetary body twice. This entity is late third-density and is part of a third-density social memory complex. This has been referred to in the previous material. The social memory complex is properly a fourth-density phenomenon.

continued in next post...

eagleye

01-05-2010, 09:20 PM

I will also provide some quotes where Ra explains the social memory complex:

Questioner: At what stage does a planet achieve social memory?

Ra: I am Ra. A mind/body/spirit social complex becomes a social memory complex when its entire group of entities are of one orientation or seeking. The group memory lost to the individuals in the roots of the tree of mind then becomes known to the social complex, thus creating a social memory complex. The advantages of this complex are the relative lack of distortion in understanding the social beingness and the relative lack of distortion in pursuing the direction of seeking, for all understanding/distortions are available to the entities of the society.

Questioner: When I am communicating with you as Ra, are you at times individualized as an entity or am I speaking to an entire social memory complex?

Ra: I am Ra. You speak with Ra. There is no separation. You would call it social memory complex thus indicating many-ness. To our understanding, you are speaking to an individualized portion of consciousness.

Here is a quote among many others that show there are both negative and positive social memory complexes:

Ra: “It should be noted, carefully pondered, and accepted, that the Law of One is available to any social memory complex which has decided to strive together for any seeking of purpose, be it service to others or service to self. The laws, which are the primal distortions of the Law of One, then are placed into operation and the illusion of space/time is used as a medium for the development of the results of those choices freely made. Thus all entities learn, no matter what they seek. All learn the same, some rapidly, some slowly.”

Here is a quote from Ra where the definition of social memory complex becomes more clear. In describing the Elder Race Ra shows that a social memory complex is a melding and a complete unification of the planetary entities thoughts, feelings, and motives.

Questioner: I ask this question because I have heard of the Elder Race before in a book, Road in the Sky, by George Hunt Williamson, and I was wondering if this Elder Race was the same that he talked about?

Ra: I am Ra. The question now resolves itself, for we have spoken previously of the manner of decision-making which caused these entities to remain here upon the closing of the second major cycle of your current master cycle. There are some distortions in the descriptions of the one known as Michel; however, these distortions have to do primarily with the fact that these entities are not a social memory complex, but rather a group of mind/body/spirit complexes dedicated to service. These entities work together, but ARE NOT COMPLETELY UNIFIED; THUS, THEY DO NOT COMPLETELY SEE EACH THE OTHER’S THOUGHTS, FEELINGS, AND MOTIVES. However, their desire to serve is the fourth-dimensional type of desire, thus melding them into what you may call a brotherhood.

continued in next post...

eagleye

01-05-2010, 09:28 PM

Here is a quote showing that a social memory complex becomes a separate entity:

Ra: “Therefore, as is the case of the breakings of the quarantine, the entity who was helping the South American entities along the South American ways you call in part the Amazon River went before the Council of Saturn to request a second attempt to correct in person the distortions which had occurred in their plans. This having been granted, THIS ENTITY OR SOCIAL MEMORY COMPLEX returned and the entity chosen as messenger came among the peoples once more to correct the errors.”

Here are more quotes showing that after becoming a social memory complex the entity still has the ability to function as either a separate mind/body/spirit complex or as an entire social memory complex up to the point of sixth density. The sixth density harvest is dependent on functioning as a social memory complex:

Questioner: Then the big difference in harvestability between third and fourth density is that at the end of the third density the individual is harvested as a function of individual violet ray, but it is the violet-ray for the entire social memory complex that must be of a harvestable nature to graduate to the fifth density. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct although in fifth density entities may choose to learn as a social memory complex or as mind/body/spirit complexes and may graduate to sixth density under these conditions, for the wisdom density is an extremely free density whereas the lessons of compassion leading to wisdom necessarily have to do with other-selves.

Questioner: Then is sixth-density harvest strictly of a social memory complex nature because again we have wisdom and compassion blended back using wisdom?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

Here is a quote showing the progression from where we are now as mind/body/spirit complexes all the way back to the creator. It shows that the social memory complex is at the middle stage of this progression in understanding. The last stage is when you become a totality.

Questioner: In previous communications you have spoken of the mind/body/spirit complex totality. Would you please give us a definition of the mind/body/spirit complex totality?

Ra: I am Ra. There is a dimension in which time does not have sway. In this dimension, the mind/body/spirit in its eternal dance of the present may be seen in totality, and before the mind/body/spirit complex which then becomes a part of the social memory complex is willingly absorbed into the allness of the One Creator, the entity knows itself in its totality.

If you really want to get your mind in a knot then read this quote:

Questioner: Does each entity have an individual mind/body/spirit complex totality or do a number of entities share the same mind/body/spirit complex totality?

Ra: I am Ra. Both of these statements are correct given the appropriate time/space conditions. Each entity has its totality and at the point at which a planetary entity becomes a social memory complex the totality of this union of entities also has its Oversoul and its social memory complex totality as resource. As always, the sum, spiritually speaking, is greater than the sum of its parts so that the Oversoul of a social memory complex is not the sum of the Oversouls of its member entities but operates upon the way of what we have called squares and what we grasp you prefer to call doubling.

You don’t really have to understand it completely to get the basic idea of both the social memory complex and the totalities. What is happening with these meldings of the seeming separate entities and different versions of the same entities in parallel universes, is the ability to see and perceive other selves as your self. This is what oneness is all about. When you get to a certain point of clarity in this perception you begin to gain what Ra calls spiritual mass in the seventh density. It is a momentum of understanding that continues to build until you eventually expand your consciousness back to infinity. You become the ONE.

Here is a quote to that discusses some of what I have just explained above:

Ra: “However, the distortion of free will causes the social memory complex to appear as a possibility at a certain stage of evolution of mind. The purpose, or consideration which causes entities to form such complexes, of these social memory complex, is a very simple extension of the basic distortion towards the Creator’s knowing of Itself, for when a group of mind/body/spirits becomes able to form a social memory complex, all experience of each entity is available to the whole of the complex. Thus the Creator knows more of Its creation in each entity partaking of this communion of entities.”

There is a lot more that could be explained about a social memory complex such as the progressions they go through in the process of forming this complex, or the differences of how a negative verses a positive social memory complex forms, but this post is already way to long. I will leave that for another time. I feel that I have sufficiently explained what it is.

I hope that helps for those asking questions about this. :)

Zinc sombrero

01-06-2010, 02:24 AM

As regards the transition to 4d it would pay not to have any definite ideas about what happens. Its ok to research the subject or talk about it though . If you have too strong a belief about what happens you could be creating a sort of stumbling block that needs to be overcome to fully utilize 4d life. I'm sure that when the time comes everything will fall into place. As a disclaimer I should point out that I usually leave things to the last minute so keep that in mind.

clairead

01-06-2010, 09:12 AM

Here is a quote showing that a social memory complex becomes a separate entity:

...You don’t really have to understand it completely to get the basic idea of both the social memory complex and the totalities. What is happening with these meldings of the seeming separate entities and different versions of the same entities in parallel universes, is the ability to see and perceive other selves as your self. This is what oneness is all about....
I hope that helps for those asking questions about this. :)

Thank you eagleye for this lucid explanation. It was very helpful. That was a lot of work to bring together the material and it is much appreciated.

Peace and love,
kelly

NegaNova

01-06-2010, 03:42 PM

Well. That was awesome lol. Thanks a lot, friends. That was far beyond what I expected as a response, and this was quite helpful. Also, I understand that these points, and even Ra's words are moreso guidelines, and the reality of it all is usually quite different than what we expect, but this subject is fascinating to me, and I love love the concept of any sort of telepathy, so yeah. Thanks again. I wish you all the best, and I'm glad we have this community and connection!

I'm just.. so grateful right now hahaha. Eff this is sweet. :D

MarkM

01-07-2010, 08:14 PM

For me a key to helping comprehend the concept of the social memory complex is to keep in mind that there is really only one of us here. According to the Ra those who polarize either positive or negative in the 3D Earth-sphere will begin the process (in 4D) of forming a social memory complex.

Thus we have the concept of a planet's worth of polarizing humanity (for the sake of this convo, let's focus on those polarizing positive) somehow conjoining and becoming as one 'individual', comprising and eclipsing the sum total of the life experience of it's constituent parts (people).

A difficulty some folks may have with this concept is concern that their personal beingness will somehow be submerged or swallowed up by the collective social memory complex, a sort of 'discontinuity' of their personal identity, now being swallowed up forever in a kind of existential dissolving of self and deference to the greater commune of the higher density Being which is the SMC.

This is a normal and understandable concern of those who tackle the Law of One, and an all too human response which is based in the natural survival instinct of the species. We all identify with the passing human ego, and wrestle to some extent with the fear of discontinuity of our selves.

However, one may be well advised to consider that insofar as there is only one of us here, it may well be that the selfness of anyone of us seemingly separate souls might well be able to smoothly continue in an unbroken manner to eventually identify with and actually be the oversoul of the SMC, in the sense of having adopted the beingness of all other 'members' of the SMC within our personal beingness. Kinda like the drop absorbing the ocean, rather than the ocean absorbing the drop!

So here we have the concept of each of us, paradoxically, staying as ourselves (albeit a more aware self with all other selves in the group serving to be differing aspects of self) yet with all other members enjoying the same benefit - having not been absorbed, and also enjoying the benefit of all other members being aspects of themselves! Here we truly get into the meat of the reality of oneness from the perspective of the 3D mind.

As you look at your neighbour and consider the hard to grasp concept of this person actually being you in another range of experiencing, you may well feel the wonder, beauty and love associated with this absolutely incredible realization.

Every individual literally represents you, and all their perceived faults and miscues indicates that you are potentially prone to each and every instance of subjective error, evil, virtue, saintliness, artistic and musical talent, genius, stupidity, murderousness, and anything that has ever been done by others - because it has been you all along doing everything in history in the guise of other people.

The idea of the SMC indicates a state of having gotten past recrimination and relative comparing ourselves to others - into such a state of forgiveness of others and outward seeming circumstance - that we actually get to experience oneness to the point of literally sharing selfness with all other members of the SMC. We have achieved a state of unconditional love whereby there is no longer a reason to hold other selves as being apart and separate individuals. Selfhood - rather than having been extinguished and absorbed, has been only greatly enhanced and enriched by having become your neighbours.

Here, the illusion of separateness has given away to a more real and less distorted sense of self, as you have only gained immeasurably by finally giving way to total unconditional love, thus becoming the native reality that your neighbours really are/were varying aspects of you, all along. Nothing of self is lost, everything of self is gained. :) Mark

abysmaltouch

01-10-2010, 02:58 PM

with regards to the title, "awakening into 4D"

....could this be happening now?

Echo

01-10-2010, 04:34 PM

From the questions thread:

I anticipate that there will be some moments of amazing awakening in our first while in fourth density. It could be that we use the spoken word only, at the beginning. We will notice some huge synchronicities, as in "Wow, you just said exactly what I was thinking!"

Possibly our fourth density abilities will kick in only gradually and gently, in a similar way that awakening here happens at a rate we can handle, and so not to transgress our free will. I expect that a tenet of fourth density life will be that eventually all our thoughts, feelings, memories, in fact our entire being will be easily and completely perceivable to others in 4D, but maybe won't kick in immediately so as to not shock us.

Do you think there will be a gradual period of orientation upon arrival in 4D, perhaps like an academy of familiarization for learning to work with our new abilities? A place where we learn to materialize that pretty little Swiss chalet in the mountains that we've always wanted? Do you imagine that there will be teachers and guides there waiting for us, maybe even a pre-existing infrastructure of sorts to aid in our transition? May we possibly retain our perception of linear time at first as well as a third dimensional view of space? Or maybe our current familiarization with the time/space dreamscape arena will allow us to transcend these limitations from the outset?

I can't help but have these questions in my mind, even as Ra was very guarded about describing 4D.

We will not be able to keep information from each other in 4D thus there will be no lies thus we will all know what everyone else knows we will all be enlightened to powers that David Wilcock mentions in his documentation and website. GOOD TIMES ARE COMING ! :D:D:D:D