Nine

[soup]

from loo book2, page 76:


questioner: i see. "the nine" describe themselves as the "nine principals of god." can you tell me what they mean by that?

ra: this is also a veiled statement. the attempt is made to indicate that the nine who sit upon the council are those representing the creator, the one creator, just as there may be nine witnesses in a courtroom testifying for one defendant. the term principal has this meaning also.
the desire of the scribe may be seen inmuch of this material to have affected the manner of its presentation just as the abilities and preferences of this group determine the nature of this contact. the difference lies in the fact that we are as we are. thus we may either speak as we will or not speak at all. this demands a very tuned, shall we say, group.

i share this because i find this intriguing.

for one thing, i am a enneagram 9, a peacemaker of sorts. maybe the council of nine has some relation to the enneagram 9.

another reason is that this mayan astrology book i'm reading (by bruce scofield and barry c. orr) emphasizes the "lords of night" or "bolon ti ku" that translates to "nine of them."

here the scientific context of the spiritual mass equation that led to ra's conversation above suggest some scientific formulation related to the mayan calendar, as if it was the same "nine" who offered influence in both instances.

please excuse my ignorance, i haven't gotten very far in the ra books. it may be this is explained somewhere else and i just haven't stumbled across it yet in my sort of foolish dabbling fashion of reading these materials.

[MarkM]

i wonder if these nine are related to the 'nine' mentioned in the emerald tablets of thoth? i shall have to re-peruse the tablet material.

soup, what is an 'enneagram nine'? i'm curious because i'm a peacemaker of sorts too.

[soup]

thanks for your interest. peace can be made and found all around.

the enneagram can be used as a system to classify personality types. there is a test one can take which helps to reveal where one resides in this classification system.

it seems possible there's symbolic correspondance between the enneagram and some of what is described within the emerald tablets. the tablets seem mysterious - the modern interpretation of the enneagram less so.

[note from moderator: i am going to let this thread continue in loo for now, but if this theme keeps going, it will be moved to general discussions]

[Nina]

hi! the enneagram by helen palmer is an excellent intro to that system of personality typing. like the way one is asked to read descriptions of all the 9 types. goal is the ability to recognize one's own pattern of orientation through reading the accounts and that is the springboard for more discovery.

one book that goes into much detail about concept of "the nine" is "the stargate conspiracy: the truth about extraterrestrial life and the mysteries of ancient egypt" by lynn picknett/clive prince. (good researchers / found many connections would never have seen otherwise).

looked in "thoth tablet" doreal translation and saw mention of "...nine. by their names i call them to aid me, free me and save me from the darkness of night...and fill me with light."
mayan astrology "lords of night" sounds interesting!
am reminded of description shared by rudolf steiner about nicodemus. author emil bock detailed view expressed about his meeting w/jesus "by night" as more complex than ordinarily understood. bock explained that the use of the term "by night" meant that this was not a bodily encounter but rather a supersensible spiritual meeting, more indicative of nicodemus's initiate status and his recognition of jesus. nina

[soup]

bock explained that the use of the term "by night" meant that this was not a bodily encounter but rather a supersensible spiritual meeting....

thanks for offering something about that. it reminds me of another thread about "cloaking", possibly located in the "new sciences" directory here. there, was an idea relating invisibility to working at night in a way where there was less light to reveal one's pressence. another factor which seems to relate to this is the idea of being more dormant at night - i.e. dream states with smaller chances of distracting interruption.

in relation to this idea of communing with "the nine lords of night" within dream states seems a choice of developing skills of lucidity which can bridge over to waking life: this could be a possible path of seeking congruent with more conscious use of one's free will.

is it possible that only a small fraction of people develop such a skill even though every person roughly sleeps a similar amount of time every day?
what might be some fringe benefits of lucid dreaming? please answer me.

[Nina]

dear soup,
sorry no reply sooner.hope you caught coast. david mentioned lucid experiences.
love simple bible story of daniel/ how he was able to know the dreams of king which he himself could not remember. especially like ""to you o king, as you lay in bed came thoughts of what would happen hereafter, and he who reveals mysteries made known to you what is to be. but as for me, not because of any wisdom that i have more than all the living has this mystery been revealed to me, but in order that the interpretation may be made known to the king and that you may know the thoughts of your mind."(sanford shared this in his "dreams:god's forgotten language".).awareness/seeking appears to bring much more into the picture. thinking also of your conscious use of free will, greater lucidity,etc. nina

[Chris Hamilton]

i wonder if these nine are related to the 'nine' mentioned in the emerald tablets of thoth? i shall have to re-peruse the tablet material.

soup, what is an 'enneagram nine'? i'm curious because i'm a peacemaker of sorts too.

as i was looking thru the loo, i came across book i in which the council of nine were mentioned. this may help answer what exactly ra meant by the council of nine:

"questioner: i have a question about that council. who are the members, and how does the council function?

ra: i am ra. the members of the council are representatives from the confederation and from those vibratory levels of your inner planes bearing responsibility for your third density. the names are not important because there are no names. your mind/body/spirit complexes request names and so, in many cases, the vibratory sound complexes which are consonant with the vibratory distortions of each entity are used. however, the name concept is not part of the council. if names are requested, we will attempt them. however, not all have chosen names.

in number, the council that sits in constant session, though varying in its members by means of balancing, which takes place, what you would call irregularly, is nine. that is the session council. to back up this council, there are twenty-four entities which offer their services as requested. these entities faithfully watch and have been called guardians.

the council operates by means of, what you would call, telepathic contact with the oneness or unity of the nine, the distortions blending harmoniously so that the law of one prevails with ease. when a need for thought is present, the council retains the distortion-complex of this need, balancing it as described, and then recommends what it considers as appropriate action. this includes: one, the duty of admitting social memory complexes to the confederation; two, offering aid to those who are unsure how to aid the social memory complex requesting aid in a way consonant with both the call, the law, and the number of those calling (that is to say, sometimes the resistance of the call); three, internal questions in the council are determined.

these are the prominent duties of the council. they are, if in any doubt, able to contact the twenty-four who then offer consensus/judgment/thinking to the council. the council then may reconsider any question.

questioner: you mentioned the nine who sit on the council. is this “nine” the same nine as those mentioned in this book? (questioner gestures to uri.)

ra: i am ra. the council of nine has been retained in semi-undistorted form by two main sources, that known in your naming, as mark and that known in your naming as henry. in one case, the channel became the scribe. in the other, the channel was not the scribe. however, without the aid of the scribe, the energy would not have come to the channel.

questioner: the names that you spoke of. were they mark probert and henry puharich?

ra: i am ra. this is correct."

take care, chris

[soup]

it interests me that the "name concept" is not useful to this council, almost as if a vibration of number seems more important. here the glyph of "nine" as a clockwise expanding symbol may have more significance than the idea of nine individuated entities bound together. my impression is that on some level, "names" are separative devices that diminish a sense of unity and so get discarded - this may imply a higher density than most seem aware of. another thing that seems interesting is a concept of hierarchy as related to agenda. that the "law of one" seems relatively obscure in the realm of popular following, it may imply that the council is not "hierarchy" driven to dominate popular opinion, this suggests higher than 4th density. ideas of scribing, of consensus/judjment/thinking may relate to distinctions between 5th and 6th density, i.e. balances of love/light though difficult to say. i would like to think that the concept of "the christ spirit" exists in this order and there may be another passage that elludes to that. does a re-emergence of the law of one coincide with the notion of "a second coming of christ"?

[soup]

today i was contemplating "carla's faith in christ" as an element that may have been conducive to channeling ra. in some respects i consider the teachings of jesus/yeshua as those of 5th density which the world wasn't ready for - so the church built a 4th density construct to facilitate the arrival to those 5th density teachings. the idea of christ's return at a time when the church becomes immaculate reminds me metaphorically of carla's faith, her body as instrument, as church. the idea of yeshua's ascension into namelessness circles back to carla's practice of challenging or confronting approaches within such vulnerable states, (i.e. in context of accepting only those congruent with the christ spirit) which seems as if communing with guardians - related to the nine. it feels awkward for me to write about this, wish someone would join me in support of this thought stream somehow.

[MarkM]

thank you for your posts, i discern a beautiful weaving of of an elegant, yet intricate and integrated concepual tapestry of concept beneath your threads.

i think of the personal ministry of jesus as somewhat as that of a social evolutionary, attempting to bring some concept of mercy and compassion to the outmoded and rigid old testament social consciousness of 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth'. as some seeds sown can sit dormant for ages before the conditions become right for germination, our own progressive, human rights and justice oriented social system is, with all it's warts, the legacy of jesus and other great social and spiritual teachers who planted seeds amongst us in the past.

it seems to be expected that these would necessarily attract the attentions of those of negative polarity, as naturally as magnetically charged opposites will. carla is no exception to this, and i wonder if the spiritually iconic status of jesus ingrained into the minds of so many millions of people lent strength to her as she walked a fine path through the middle of the garden of such a huge potential differential of polarity, through which she fetched such a powerful and relatively undistorted contact with ra.

this seems possible when one considers jesus' experience with negative resistance to his own process of bringing through a powerful service to others message. in either case, a considerable purity, magnification and refinement of purpose would have to have been established in the 3rd density dwelling entities in question in order for this channeling to take place. do you think it might be necessary that the negative polarity be present, in the same way an electrical current requires both positive and negative polarity in order to flow?

perhaps the role of the guardians of the federation here might be in some way likened to the role of insulators, capacitors, fuses and the like, metaphorically speaking of course, in order to protect the channeler and safeguard the stability of the channel. this seems somewhat uncomfortable for me to write about, too, as i might be betraying my own misunderstanding of the channeling process.

[soup]

i was talking to someone who remarked on just how many translations of the bible there are. i suggested if people could come to a point of giving up on perfectly understanding the bible they may sooner arrive to a point of embracing the core teachings of jesus/yeshua. i think i suggested that because i believe the core essence of his teachings came from wordless states of profound love, impossible to articulate.

i also intuit that the story of jesus is not the whole story, that there's another side, not represented well, the unspoken perspective of jesus on what really happened - and i think its a tragic love story (what else could it be?) i say that because i don't think that jesus was ego motivated to prove the prophecies were true, i think there was another motivation, that of love - a love so strong one may die for it, without any arguement.

my impression of a negative pressence seems that of artistic contrast, that by way of the dark the light shines brightly - as if exaggerations help people to see some pattern they wouldn't see otherwise. a similar level love/light appears differing shades of brightness in relation to the grade of its surround,
so the potential of the balance seems not measured by depths of the surrounding dark, though the appearance may seem so.

it seems to me that an important quality which enables carla to reach her states of quality, is that of choice and trade-off: where her earnesty in an important regard allows her access.

[jax]

sorry to barge in....but this thread reminded me i have read in the misty past several great books by eugene e. whitworth that may be of interest to you. whitworth died over two years ago, but his books are still in print. [please email jax for the specific books]. both are written in novel-style (like dan brown's the davinci code) but the reader can certainly feel the truth "oozing out of them", to coin a silly phrase. try to find used copies because the new ones are $$$. i plan to read all of his books when i can get my hot little hands on them. namaste.