Hey! What about those Chemtrails?!

[Mozart]

[DW's note: Since he ends on a positive note here, and this is a concern of some people who come here, we've let it through. The 'real' chemtrail phenomenon appears to have already ended, and went under the name "Project Raindancer" -- a three-fold process.

1. Seed clouds for rain, 2. provide a reflective shield for HAARP experimentation, and 3. reflect sunlight back into space to try to offset global warming.

I have reliable insider information that Raindancer was discontinued. It may go on to some degree still, but most of the really scary data came out of a few small events. The political fallout from continuing Raindancer was deemed to be worse than whatever benefit it was hoped to have to try to save the planet from 'global warming'.

Please minimize posts about conspiracy material as much as possible. Such content proliferates online, and there is no need to further it here, particularly in light of how our consciousness is so directly tied in with what then manifests on Earth. Consult our guidelines for more info.]

Air-Breathing Folks,

Here's a useful chemtrail url that is loaded with pictures, articles and urls on the diabolical chemtrail phenomenon, plus HAARP info as well:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14

It's loaded with a lot of useful info.

Take a quick look at this hexagonal formation that can be considered to be proof of the activity of HAARP:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=mjtc66o6a1.buff alo_s?p=165&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

And there's a few photos of these anomalous cloud formations that may be very positive effects of "Sylphs", which are alleged to be giant beings that are supposed to be floating in our skies in their efforts to transmute the chemtrails that are now polluting our skies:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=mjtc66o6a1.buff alo_s?p=172&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

I really do hope that the "Sylphs" are for real--if so, then we can surely use the exponential power of the positive to ACTIVELY call in the Sylphs to assist us even more, can't we?

I naturally tend towards serious rage/anger over the chemtrail issues, but I'm really trying to find a way to approach this phenomenon in positive ways so that I don't inadvertently feed the BS chemtrails/negativity even more, so help me God.

As Matthew said in his last message, the url of which I have posted in another post about "First Fart" (i.e. Bush), there are millions of beings helping us people out on Earth, so they are there to help us out; also, he pointed out that protesting/resisting the negatives only increases the power of the negatives. Of course I was already aware of the idea of resisting something only increases what one resists, but Matthew's message was a good reminder of that fact.

And if you put that together with David's point in a recent blog of his about the exponential power of the positive calling in of positive vibes/Love, there is a very real possibility that just a few tens of thousands of people actively calling in help and positive vibes can create a large-enough army of Slyphs to eat up ALL the &^#*^ chemtrails in our skies, thus negating the massive, multi-billion-dollar efforts of the Illoonynaughties to really mess us up, both the people and Earth herself. Wouldn't that be awesome if we successfully called in an army of Sylphs and cleaned up our skies?

It seems to me that, perhaps, the sheer amount of accumulated negative effects of the "leaders" of the world (wars, chemtrails, pollution, economic crisises, etc, etc) and the Illoonynaughties would force us to resort to calling in positive help/Love as a last resort. It has become clear to me that we may soon need a 100th-monkey effect in calling in the positive to start to stem the rising tide of negative effects of the negative shadows cast by the Illoonynaughties.

~Seth

[Robert Riedel]

Hey gang!

Great topic for further consideration and ponderin' and you need go no further that the this wonderful website that you're already on to find out anything you never wanted to know about Chemtrails.

Go Start-Links-Jeff Rense, and then just scroll down to find the latest scientific discussions concerning, chem-spraying, possible proof of a link to Morgellions dis-ease, and more. Great pictures, too. Almost as good as mine.

Private e-me for a showing...robertriedel@sbcglobal.net

Bob

[vjvousden]

Hi, long time no post! I think I find the new format more complex and too much compared to the e-mail digest. Oh well, change is life...life is change.

I want to know if others are seeing the amount of sky spraying I've been witness to over the last few months. It's been going on for a while now but lately it's intense. I'm talking everyday, most of the day. And it isn't a couple of cross-hatchings in the sky like tic-tac-toe (naughts and crosses, for you Brits ;) ), they are weaving an intricate blanket up there! By sunset, it's so overcast, you barely see a pale orange ball going down. And I like being outdoors. I have a small garden I tend just so I have some fruit and vegetables I know will be healthy for my family but I don't even like being outside now. And are these foods safe? I'm hearing and seeing for myself more and more people suffering from respiratory problems, severe allergies, flu-like symptoms. I have sniffles everyday and have really been laid out with some nasty migraines in the last month. Not even Aleeve touched it and that usually knocks headaches right out. I have started taking colloidal silver daily, the omega oils and a good multivitamin. Trying to incorporate more organic veg and fruit also.

This blatant activity isn't even touched by the news, state representatives don't acknowledge a problem when you write them, the local paper won't print anything about them in their editoral columns. So people who COULD do something are in complete denial or sticking their heads in the sand (or somewhere). And I can't hope for it to just go away at the end of this current administation's term because I'm sure the orders come from higher up. And 2012 is still 5 yrs away. I'd like to be around in this body for it. I plan to be one of those who helps set things up and get our dear Mother Earth/Gaia back to her lovely self. So how does one go on with this bombardment daily (and this is only one thing of all that's going on (closest to home)... I won't even start on the other stuff) and keep in a positive place? I manage to most of the time but there are days, like today, I feel I just can't take it. It's just so oppressive (as in heavy, stifling, suffocating). I'm ready for this to end now. I want us to all be that one society of love, compassion, help, the Highest Good...now!

So I guess I'm asking if this is as severe elsewhere as it is here (Arizona), if so, how you are coping with it, what can we do about it (if you have an idea) and is there a way to protect ones self against the toxins?

Sorry to be such a discouraged soul today but it gets to me.

Wishing us all peace in our lives once and for all,
Valarie

[Robert Riedel]

Hey Valerie, David, and fellow air breathers,

Stepped -up would seem to be an understatement- I've heard that it is now necessary to "touch-up" the sattelite photos made public, or else you would see just how wide-spread this has become- and I've seen recent evidence reveiled by airline support personel that our commercial fleet is, or has been modified also in addition to the military tankers, to spray this stuff on us through changes to the supposedly closed toilet systems- extra tanks and plumbing, and discharge nozzles under the wings, and that the jobs that nobody wants, are being filled with folks who are filling these tanks, under the guise of dumping the toilets.

Dennis Kucinich is the only congressman to introduce legislation to address this issue to date, put he's only one voice in a horribly corrupt government-out-of-control.

Out in your area, back in the thirtys, there was an event that became known as the Phoenix Wars, and involved a blilliant scientist, William Reich, and a group using Orgone generators to produce rain, in an area that had been under drought conditions for nearly a year. Their results are still in the record books for that time, as the most rainfall amounts ever to hit that area, and the story involved UFO's, government cover-ups, and all kind of wonderful nastyness, that would make a great movie some day.

Now, that same technology is being re-invented, and made available to those who look up, and if you do look up in some areas now, you will see a battle of gigantic preportions happening on a daily basis. Personally, I mega-dose myself with Mangosteen Juice, to keep a theraputic level of the zanthones in my bloodstream, and I don't seem to suffer near the sniffling effects of others, unless I forget to drink my juice. I'm also a distributor, but don't promote on this website, which is how I'm able to keep enough on hand to get through the "cloudy days."

For more information, go to the Jeff Rense site, linked-up on this site in the links section, and also http://educate-yourself.org has a ton of information on this. Wash, and cover your plants at night, is the best I can come up with for the home gardeners.

Bob

[fiz]

Yep, chemtrails are everywhere, and they are real, though who and what is behind them remains a contemporary mystery.

A few clicks on the net though will lead to a quick education on the current folklore, of which Reich, as Robert cites, was a pioneer.

There are several online groups as well devoted to discussing chemtrails, and practicing various modes of creative resistance and prevention. My own pursuits along these lines has yielded an interesting discovery, namely, that it is possible to directly intervene with chemtrails when they are being laid down, and even dissolve them. I do this by simply focusing my third eye on the trails as they are being laid down, as well as on the craft laying them down, with the intention of dissolving the spew. Sometimes this seems to directly dissolve the trails in their entirety; other times it seems to significantly diminish them.

My own gut-hunch about chemtrails is that they are part of a global coordinated attempt to reduce the health of Earth's citizen's during the run-up to Ascension, and minimize thereby Harvest to positive 4D. Others will say they are part of a global aerosol spraying program to minimize global warming. I can't claim to know one way or the other, though I do give my gut priority.

Good luck educating and empowering yourself further....

Chris

[LightEye]

Check out this post...

http://www.carnicom.com/corepulse.htm

Aerosol Asymmetry:Core Tracks & Pulse Observations
Clifford E Carnicom
Santa Fe, NM
May 14 2007

A significant set of observations has taken place. On Mother's Day and the day following of 2007, another major aerosol operation was conducted over the skies of the Santa Fe, New Mexico region. A more detailed visual examination of some of these emissions has been made; mechanical, artificial and systematic introduction of the aerosols appears evident. There are two primary observed anomalies at this time: the first of these is the presence of what may be referred to as "core tracks" (ribbon-like; possibly filamentous in nature) and the second is the repeated presence of a characteristic "pulse" emission. The behavior and character of these anomalies is now being presented and an adequate basis for further examination exists with this article. These characteristics are completely out of accordance with any claims of meterological discontinuities in the atmosphere, any uniform fluid or gas dynamic analysis, and any unmodified combustive process. It is apparent that distributions of discrete material into the atmosphere are taking place. Complete Identification of these processes and the unusual chemical and physical reactions that accompany them are required to safeguard the welfare and interests of the citizens of this planet.

[vjvousden]

Thanks for all your answers. I checked out the recommended sites. Wish there were better news but there you go. I appreciate all your responses.

Gratefully,
Valarie

[Robert Riedel]

The news is what the news is- and if you track the string of control associated with almost all news services, you find the same individuals and organizations associated with the dumping of this chemical soup on us in the form of chemtrails, as well as the slow, but sure poisoning of our food, and water supplies. Call them what you wish, and they do have their connections to our horribly-corrupt -government, so there's no relief, or white nights gonna be charging out of Washington to save us, or to hold an umbrella over our heads. What is really ironic, is that it is our Tax dollars that make this all possible in the first place! Just look at the military spending of this once great nation- they are spending money like there's no tomorrow, becauce, just maybe, the don't think there will be, at least not for us.

I truely believe that the ultimate purpose is to keep stressing the human immune systems of the targeted populations, and then the same delivery system can be used to release the latest genetically modified version of frog-flu,or some other variation, to facilitate the culling of the excess population, or, inother words, Genocide.

There are solutions. But they do not exist on the level of the problem- these sort of problems require an evolution in awareness, an expanding of counsousness if you will, and isn't it wonderful, that exactly that is happenning all over the planet, as we speak?

So, by all means, do look up. And, perhaps with just (just?) the Power of your minds, render their nonsense ineffective, or just enjoy the rainbows.

Bob

[charran]

So, by all means, do look up. And, perhaps with just (just?) the Power of your minds, render their nonsense ineffective, or just enjoy the rainbows.

Bob

Yes, by all means look up! I look at the Sun. Einstein was reputed to look at the clouds and into a clear sky. There is more up there than them chemtrails. Take the positive route when possible. Avoid the negative stuff but recognize it. In less than 5 years it will all change...regardless of what the negative elite want.

Keep the faith,

Charran

[LightEye]

Here's more...

http://www.checktheevidence.com/Chemtrails/

Illegal Aerosol Spraying Operations over United Kingdom Airspace An Informal Report And Request for Immediate, Serious and Candid Study by Department of Environment,Civil Aviation Authority,Royal Air Force and any other bodies with expertise or interest.

Andrew Johnson
May 2007

Introduction

1.1 Background to this Submission

For the last 2 years, since photographing the scene shown below, from my study room’s window, I have become increasingly concerned about persistent aircraft trails in the skies over the UK. It seems to be the case that official denial surrounds this very important issue - which affects all of us.

I have supplied a selection of information in this document, and I freely admit that I am not an expert in climatology, chemistry or meteorology. However, I do have a Bachelor’s degree in Computer Science and Physics and have a background in Software Engineering and education, which has involved a considerable amount of technical analysis in several different fields of work. In summary, I’m not stupid, nor am I given to jumping to conclusions, without analysing available evidence.

No pretences are made, however, about the nature of this submission: it is not a detailed scientific analysis, nor is it particularly comprehensive. This is because it has been produced quickly and with the limited resources of one person. This should not detract, however, from the important discussion of basic evidence which it is designed to initiate and encourage.

1.2 Notes About Possible Responses To This Submission

I am not the first to notice or write about this phenomenon, nor am I the first to challenge official bodies about it, so in this section I have included some responses given to challenges made in the USA.

I may be one of the first to submit a “challenge” to official bodies in the UK and I have provided these sample responses as ones which can be classed as inadequate and unacceptable - i.e. these responses are not worth the paper they are written on. If you should choose to respond in a manner similar to that of the responses given below, there is little point in responding at all – it will achieve nothing and will not address the facts and evidence presented here.

The key point is this – just because I cannot clearly say why someone is deliberately spraying substances into our atmosphere does not mean it is not happening. To make a comparison, if there are road works going on outside my house, I may not easily be able to determine whether they are laying cables, doing maintenance, laying a new pipeline or doing some exploratory digging. For me to then say “well, I do not know what the purpose of these road works is, therefore they must not be happening” is illogical and denies the reality of the evidence.

[soup]

They say that CFC's damage the ozone. There must be thousands of pounds of hydrocarbons spewed into the upper atmosphere by jet travel. To me this seems where the C's of CFC's come from. The militaries use Chlorine Penta Fluoride in rocket fuels. To me this seems where the F's of CFC's come from. The chemistry needs to be neutralized or else the chemistry will keep eroding the ozone and this doesn't seem like rocket science to figure out.

From a perspective of benevolence, I consider the chemtrails as an active bandaid effort to counter the damaging effects of CFC's upon the ozone.
In this case, we should praise the abundance of chemtrails.

[Dihlon]

you work outside and see this stuff being disseminated over your head. I see it being stepped up here in southern Utah. I was officiating a softball tournament over the weekend and it was forecast to be around 100 degrees that day. Around 1 P.M. I saw the familiar "X" marks the spot being formed just before they started spraying in earnest. Once the chemtrails spread enough to merge into one another(nicely positioned to block out the midday sun), there was a noticeable temperature drop of at least a few degrees. Enough that I noticed it! That night and today I've suffered burning eyes and some minor sinus and throat irritation.

If it wasn't for my belief in the fact that there are also benevolent civilizations at work during this time to combat these crazy, self-serving beings, let alone good souls here on earth also seeking ways to counter the effects of this madness, I'd be searching for ways to obtain a rocket launcher! :D

Instead, I believe I'll try to maintain a spirit of calm and reassurance and beam messages of clarity of thought, compassion and love to those who inhabit the cockpit of these planes. I also think I'll try the third eye exercise mentioned in a prior post and see if I can have some effect. Other than that, I'm at a loss as to how to combat this weapon of terror, save exposure and informing the public at large somehow.

Peace

[leo scone]

Knowing the ingenuity of man I'm sure that the chemtrails are being used in ALL possible ways: controlling global warming, owning the weather, mass vaccinations, electro-magnetic atmospheric experimentations, our genetic dumbing down through nanotech engineered bacterium and viruses, even just flat out poisoning us for population control. The sicker we get, the more the medical/pharmaceutical block profit, though not if we all get sick too quickly! Better to get us sick slowly - it would be more profitable to them. Them. Them is, of course, just a symbol of our mass consciousness. So, while chemtrails are likely attempting to "do" all these different things we have a couple of Aces up our sleaves. First, in faith and knowing of the changes coming to us all in just a few years, and knowing the truth that stress causes huge amounts of cummulative damage to our physical beings I would recommend less worry and more compassion. It is what we give to this world from our hearts that matters most now. I can mount no battle individually that could change what the Chemtrails are and why they are being sprayed, but I am fully aware that my emotions, my awarenesses are being registered, as are all of our emotions and reactions. And it is the sum of all of our feelings and reactions that becomes reflected within manifestation as our reality. So, I try to be compassionate toward those willing to pilot those planes, for all they might go through with their own families, sickened at their own hands. And I try to be thankful for the catalyst provided, for the blatent spraying that gives us wonderful opportunity to seek change and growth. Indeed, change and growth are inevitable, and my real internal secret weapon concerning chemtrails is this - whoever the idjits are who perpetrate this crime will likely be disappointed when all the stressors they are placing upon our physical and energetic beings actually spur us toward a POSITIVE AND BENEFICIAL evolutionary mutation, making us stronger, healthier, and more beautiful. Okay, so I'm stretching it with the beautiful thing. Point is, I don't think "they" know their science as well as they think, and that, along with compassionate possitivity, will "win" the day!

All is well, if a bit bumpy! Love, Blessing, and Abundance All!

[eyez4096]

Quoted:

They say that CFC's damage the ozone. There must be thousands of pounds of hydrocarbons spewed into the upper atmosphere by jet travel. To me this seems where the C's of CFC's come from. The militaries use Chlorine Penta Fluoride in rocket fuels. To me this seems where the F's of CFC's come from. The chemistry needs to be neutralized or else the chemistry will keep eroding the ozone and this doesn't seem like rocket science to figure out.

From a perspective of benevolence, I consider the chemtrails as an active bandaid effort to counter the damaging effects of CFC's upon the ozone.
In this case, we should praise the abundance of chemtrails.

Unquote.



ME:

To the best of my knowledge the CFCs cause problems by reacting with ozone -- the same way light energy normally does, which reduces the amount of energy reaching the surface of the earth (a good thing) -- and reducing the amount of ozone remaining to react with the light as naturally occurs. This is a phenomenon which is very much related to the structure and STABILITY of the CFC chemical. The problem with CFC's compared to other hydrocarbons is NOT that they react with ozone like the others do, but that they remain in the atmosphere for a long time without breaking down because they're so stable (the reason they were so popular.. they don't break down quickly!)...

You can think of the ozone layer as consisting of a bunch of O3 atoms dancing about, being bombarded by UV radiation from the sun, being broken apart by that energy into O2 and O, then during the night reforming to perform their job again the next day. Since CFC's cause the same breaking apart of the O3, and continually, not being destroyed in the process, they don't give the oxygen a chance to re-bond. This problem persists until the CFCs are destroyed by naturally degrading (which does happen, just slowly). As I implied, other hydrocarbons are comparably unstable (they react with oxygen and are destroyed/morphed) so it's unlikely they are causing this same type of problem....... This is not to say that they can't, but it is to point out the difference in subject matter.

-Charles

[SpiralCycle]

I always thought that it was natural for airplanes to let of natural contrails and that many people were conspiring at this theory but once again my american logic had sucked me in again now knowing a bit more on them.

I have a link here where I had posted some stuff earlier that covers key points on the chemtrail agenda in a few paragraphs.

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&entryID=32482437&categoryID=0&IsSticky=0&groupID=101163642&Mytoken=BB67818F-8EA5-444E-9632069F7936103175630150

[Robert Riedel]

so thiis is how syncronystic events occur...

Tonight, George Noory will host Clifford E. Carnicom, a reasearch scientist who has a web-site about Chemtrails, and other wierd stuff- http://www.carnicom.com Give a listen,Eh?

Bob

[fiz]

I can mount no battle individually that could change what the Chemtrails are and why they are being sprayed, but I am fully aware that my emotions, my awarenesses are being registered, as are all of our emotions and reactions. And it is the sum of all of our feelings and reactions that becomes reflected within manifestation as our reality. So, I try to be compassionate toward those willing to pilot those planes, for all they might go through with their own families, sickened at their own hands. And I try to be thankful for the catalyst provided, for the blatent spraying that gives us wonderful opportunity to seek change and growth.

I appreciate your point of view here, and it is a helpful reminder to me that I can be radically "inclusive" of whatever STS-agenda's might be afoot vis-a-vis chemtrails.

At the same time, while being thusly compassionate and inclusive and effortlessly widening the sphere of my own love of all beings thereby.....I also like to take a few trails out every now and then, just for kicks. :cool:

When I find myself outdoors, say heading to the grocery store, inevitably I'll see a plane or three laying down some of that phantom crud in the sky. If I have time, I'll stop and calmly regard said plane, and intend to focus the benign ray of being from my third eye upon it. I've learned not to try too hard when doing this, but to make the focusing of my intention the point. It's usually not long before the spray dwindles to nothing, or next to nothing, at which point I resume my walk to the store.

What I find rewarding in this kind of practice is the sense that I, a single individual, can actively do something to intervene with what feels to me (without my empirically *knowing* of course) to be an innately creepy activity. My spidey sense tells me these trails are not good for humans! Perhaps I'm wrong, but I do feel capable of tuning into the subtle energetic signature of things, and in this case, the readout I get is that this stuff is bad for people.

I do find that taking out one, two or six trails a day makes a difference in my own relationship to the world. Now, imagine if others caught on to this simple practice, and by word of mouth, people increasingly became effective at dissolving this spew directly, without going to the "authorities" first. In my world, such a possibility would seem to be part and parcel of what it means for human beings to do our part in paving the way for a 4D experience, specifically in regards to caring for the Earth and our fellow humans at the level of spiritual intention.

Might this be another way to achieving the kind of similar positive, unintended outcome that you allude to? Perhaps there are many ways....

Chris

[vjvousden]

Thanks, Chris, for that little activity for us to feel we can actually do something. As it happens, I also ran across this simple mantra from someone with like concerns on another group and thought I'd pass this along:

No more chemtrails, not today
No more chemtrails, go away.
They can't stick and they can't stay
Today will be a blue sky day.

(with your 3rd eye, erase the trail or for a more physical activity, grab or erase it with your hand)

Amazingly, I tried this and the trails I focused on did seem to fade to nearly nothing. Of course, I don't know if high winds (at a higher altitude) had something to do with it or not but hey, I'll take what I can get. Gave me a boost of confidence in being able to do it if nothing else!
Thanks so much for the on-going discussions on this subject. I greatly appreciate all the different points of view and reason. All I can say is, "Roll on 2012!"

Blessings,
Valarie

[leo scone]

In my world, such a possibility would seem to be part and parcel of what it means for human beings to do our part in paving the way for a 4D experience, specifically in regards to caring for the Earth and our fellow humans at the level of spiritual intention.

Might this be another way to achieving the kind of similar positive, unintended outcome that you allude to? Perhaps there are many ways....

Chris[/QUOTE]

Thank you Chris, for reminding me to wield my intent appropriately. I think I was mostly speaking to being hamstrung as to "doing anything" about the chemtrails. But intentional chemtrail busting is more of a not-doing in ways, isn't it? When the chemtrails first came into my awareness a couple of years back I became super-attentive, doing a lot of on line research, and becoming very emotionally involved. I did do some trail-busting as well, but I fell into the old "us and them" syndrome, as if it isn't all one. The Kybalion states that all apparent pairs of opposites are effects of the same cause. So, to push on one end of a thing is to move the other end as well. One cannot fight against a thing without simultaneously feeding the energy of that duality. But it took quite the dramatic event to make me realize how polarized I had become. One afternoon here in Talent OR I just happened to be outside helping a neighbor fix their bike tire (usually I'd be in after-work lounge mode) when I heard a very large jet approaching. VERY LARGE. It was a big military style jet, four engine, wings on the top of the body as opposed to on the bottom like passenger jets, all white, no visible call numbers, the only color being some yellow on the tail in a sort of crescent shape. Most notable though were the eight large exhaust pipes, four to a side, at the bottom of the plane body, under the wings. For some reason this large (and dangerous) beast was making a turn right over the top of my head at low altitude to land at Medford International Airport. Despite the international in the title it is a small airport and the landing of such a plane there could only have been some form of emergency. It was then that I stopped directing so much intent and energy into chemtrails. My attention to the problem was so strong I felt I'd brought that sucker right down on myself and would prefer a little more distance than that!

Anyhoo, sorry for the long tale, thanks again Chris - I will go back to some more "moderate" busting!

Love, Blessings, and Abundance,

Frank-o

[inside-up]

Just a thought:

Kozyrev said aluminum will shield or reflect torsion waves (time). If we are entering an area of space having increased torsion waves then maybe the abundance of aluminum in chemtrails is there for this reason. Maybe they are trying to block 4D?

[fiz]

Frank-o -- wow, what a story! I think I can relate...last year this time, I too was putting the pedal to the metal in my own chem-busting efforts. The skies were pretty clear for about a week, and I was feeling like I was making a difference. Then I had a dream of half a dozen chem supertankers flooding the skies with spew, in what felt to me to be a clear extra-dimensional response to my hyperfocused efforts. This was followed by what felt to me to be a pretty heavy-duty psychic attack. Though I held my own and passed through that moment unscathed, I felt that my experience had shown me how the elastic waistband of unity can come snapping right back in my face.

Since then, like you, I've also learned to not try too hard, and just do my part, whenever the moment seems to be right. I don't try to get emotionally involved now. "It's nothing personal."

Hm...maybe we're discovering a "tao of chembusting"?

Valarie -- sounds like you're onto something! :)

I also like to use mantra's. "Om Mani Padme Hum" is a classic. Sometimes when I'm feeling grouchy I'll find myself swearing an expletive or two beneath my breath. That seems to do the job too. (Perhaps not quite so emotionally detached in those moments.)

It's good to be comparing notes with you two. It feels less isolating to know there are others out there moved in your own ways to help keep the skies a friendly place to fly....

Chris

[yayeeya]

I'm not up to date on the subject of chemtrails, but I have noticed them in my area for awhile now. I've been thinking that they are tied in with the HAARP project, as well as everything else..

[bweisberg]

I saw some chem trails outside my home in Denver. I see them often. These were interesting because the source was obviously pulsing. The picture was taken 45 minutes after I first saw the huge lines in the sky. The picture shows the trails after they were almost completely dissipated.

[Gary T.]

I want to know if others are seeing the amount of sky spraying I've been witness to over the last few months. So I guess I'm asking if this is as severe elsewhere as it is here (Arizona), if so, how you are coping with it, what can we do about it (if you have an idea) and is there a way to protect ones self against the toxins?
Valarie


Hi Valarie,

This **it gets to me as well. (Conceptually, not in a practical way because I live in a place where - mercifully - the populace doesn't appear to be directly affected by these covert shenanigans.) The best info that I've ever come across on the Internet in explanation of exactly what the hell is going on is in a document that I've now got on my PC. I've named it:

Chemtrails.html

and will happily send you a copy if you would like to read it for yourself. It's lengthy and intellectually demanding but is extremely plausible and left me when I read it with the internal conviction that at long last I had gotten to the well-concealed truth of this matter. Maybe you'll feel the same if you study this stuff! If you want it just let me know and I'll send it on to you as an attachment.

Best wishes,

Gary T.

[vjvousden]

Hi, Gary and thanks. I'll give it a go. I'd like to see something scientific on the subject not just the conspiracy stuff on the web. Yes, please, you can send it to me.

Thanks,
Valarie

PS. I think my address shows, you can send it to that one.

[Art]

Gary T. -

If you're offering, I'd also be interested in giving this document a look. I believe you can attach it to a PM? :confused:

Art


P.S. - To answer your question about seeing the sky spraying, here in Western NC it isn't as bad as people describe in this thread. However, I am 1.5 hours away from any large metropolitain area (>100,000)... I have noticed these trails though and think I can differentiate between a chemtrail and a contrail (Contrails basically disappear after a bit but these dang chemtrails don't). One night, my fiance and I were watching the full moon and we saw a trail "bend" when the path of the moon intercepted this trail. Anyone else see something like this in the past months?

[epona]

Gary - send me a copy of this document please, thank you. I have read most of the stuff on the web, and am tired of consipracy theories. I just 'know' what I see is not good for us.

Inside up - thanx for the tip on aluminum and its 'preventive' effects, haven't heard that one before.

Valarie - I am with you. You have no idea how many people I have heard say that since this winter they have had the hardest time with their health ever! Too many. Number me in the group too. I almost died from I don't even know what. First I thought it was my heart, but it wasn't. After much trial and error with herbs, I have hit on one possible cause that at least is the way it has been affecting me...and it's at least part fungus. If you remember, about 10-15 yrs ago many scientists suddenly, uh, died - most of which were microbiologists. Go figure, huh? There are things that affect the body: bacteria, virus, fungus, food, water, air. My personal opinion is that chemtrails effectively cover all those bases for biological experimentation (i.e. we are the mice). Sprayed over our food crops, us, water reservoirs, air. Not very nice. The thing is...just know that fear/stress activates more bad things in your body than you will ever know, and shuts down many good things. So this Wilcocks guy is right, we need to get out of fear mode. We need to survive past 2012.

It has been very hard for me. It will be harder on younger generations that are having more exposure, younger because they have grown up on processed foods. Myself, I can only keep my nose above the water line, but am now working on some new things. A healthy balanced diet, as much organic as I can afford, and herbs to help with fungus and some of the health problems; and developing this positive attitude. :)

[leo scone]

Absolutely keep up the positive intent with the Chemtrails! It appears there is the potential for assistance with them as well. Perhaps we just have to produce enough of a "calling" and the problem could be greatly reduced or eliminated! Certainly this is high and hopeful thinking, but after my experiences this last week it may be more practical than imagined. Check it out!

[Note from moderator: the url provided was not concerning chemtrails and has been omitted. If you would like the url anyway, please email Frank-o privately]

Love, Blessings, and Abundance,

Frank-o

[leo scone]

The link provided was a picture taken by myself on a day ridden with chemtrails. While I was taking the pictures hopefully to catch something anomolous, my intentionality that day was that in knowing about what they are doing with chemtrails I submit my spirit's vote that my free will not be usurped in such a way. You might say I was doing my best to reject a negative greeting. That a UFO appeared in at least one of the pictures I took that day could be construed as a response of some nature to my calling, as it were. I have heard that there is assistance being given to alleviate the effects of chemtrails and I can't help but feel that this was being affirmed for me that day. So, the URL provided (unless as a basic techno-illiterate I screwed it up and you got the wrong URL), while perhaps seeming off topic, is directly on the topic of chemtrails, their effects, what they are, and other associated events. While all the pictures of silvery "spheres" people have been getting while shooting chemtrail pictures could just be dumb luck - those things may likely be up there all the time - the overall experience from that day intuitively informed me there is an association between the object I photographed and my free-will desire that I was intentionally expressing that the trails be gone.

In any case, as I mentioned I'm not hugely savvy in computer tech and am just learning forum etiquette, or whatever it is. Thanks for the time, and you may want to re-examine my submission to UfoCasebook.com (unidentified object photographed over Talent OR). As well I totally respect your choices in the matter. Many fish frying in one pan...

And just in general, I so deeply appreciate all that you all are achieving here. Continue on and huzzah!

Love, Blessings, and Abundance,

Frank-o

[Robert Riedel]

Hey there, Frank-o,

Perhaps you might just cut her a little slack, Eh? It's been a rough go around here the past few days, and the internet is loaded up with so many chem-trail pictures these days; heck, I,ve got some neat ones myself, from just last week, where they seem to make a 5-point star patern, taken around dusk, near Sandusky, OH.

Stick around, and don't let it dampen your enthusiasm for the site- I've got issues too, but life goes on, man...

Bob

[Gary T.]

Hi, Gary and thanks. I'll give it a go. I'd like to see something scientific on the subject not just the conspiracy stuff on the web. Yes, please, you can send it to me.

Thanks,
Valarie

PS. I think my address shows, you can send it to that one.

Hi Valarie,

My apologies for taking so long to get back to you. I'm one of the people who don't find the site redesign intuitive at all and because I dislike the new layout - which seems to me to make navigation around it inordinately difficult - I don't spend as much time on this website as I used to!

Basically I'm stymied in getting this html file that I have to you because in order to send it to you using the reply box I would need to append said file as an attachment and at the moment no matter how many times I click on the Manage Attachments button all I'm getting is an error message - this might be something for the moderator/s to look into (also, it doesn't mention html files as being an acceptable attachment type! - why? - again, maybe a moderator should look into this) - and when I go to my private e-mail client (I use Thunderbird 2.0.0.4) with the idea that I can attach the file readily enough from there, I'm up against catch 22 in the shape of I don't have a private e-mail address for you and I suspect that if I copied and pasted
your handle from one of your postings it wouldn't work outside of Divine Cosmos's reply boxes!

The above also applies to the other individuals who also requested that I send them the file I've got. If you want to get it you're going to have to give me a usable e-mail address (and no, I'm not some %*!<|! spammer trying to garner a few cheap e-mail addresses!) If you like you can briefly acquire a disposable one (or two) and let me know what it is so that I can send each of you the document without ever learning your real e-mail address.

Don't you wish we lived in a less paranoid world?

Regards to all,

Gary T.

[leo scone]

No problem Robert. I'm not going anywhere! I can get a bit wordy too, and perhaps I sound too critical on my way to more clarity. No offense or negative energy intended. Just want to add any hope I can as to options we can each apply to combat the whole spectrum of chemtrail effects. "Outside" assistance appears to be one such option and I'm good with that!

Love and Blessings Bro!
Now rockin' it too!

[theodorepong]

I have been hearing a lot about the chemtrails recently as well as other versions of how it is a deliberate attempt to harm the health of the public and trim excess population of those who don't have extraordinarily strong life force and immune systems. I don't know quite what to think, but I admit I do feel a lot of fear inside myself whenever I hear another version, maybe my own unconscious telling me there is something to it.

However it seems from what I have read that the orgone machines of Wilhelm Reich, particularly the big cloud busters are very effective at counteracting this. Further good news if all this is true, is the orgone machines and the cloud busters are quite easy to make, and to use if you have access to even a small lake.

I think maybe I better build a good one myself and start using it here where I live on one of the nearby lakes.

[Note from moderator: Theodore has a book on orgone you might like to read about-please email him for the book and url]

[Robert Riedel]

Dear Frank-o and Theodore-

Great thoughts, guys! History teaches that all problems have a solution, if enough people want it bad enough. In the 2nd post on this thread, I was refering to not only pictures on the internet, but to actual sightings in and around the Toledo Metropolitan area, where it seems that there are literally clear spots in the sky, where no chemtrails can endure, for long. I have no idea who might be doing what, but I've read the same books, and visited the same web-sites, and have wished to begin construction of my own devices- boy, the price of Copper Pipe sure has gone up, lately, Eh?

Bob

Let's Rock tHis World!!!

[leo scone]

While straying almost off topic, it is my understanding that some of the smaller Orgone generating "devices" are as well helpful with the supposed DOR (deadly orgone radiation) emitted by cell-phone towers. I say it is almost off topic because chemtrails, cell-towers, and HAARP may all be used together to muck up our vibrational continuum.

I do know a couple of people here in the Rogue Valley who have Chem-Busters on their properties and they feel it makes a significant difference.

Love, Blessings, and Abundance -

Frank-o

[pyramidnj]

Hi Everybody: I would appreciate getting some feedback on the intensity or frequency of Chemtrail dissemination in your areas. Is it increasing or decreasing over the next week or so? Thanks for your anticipated input!

In the Light,
Jo Anne

[leo scone]

Hi Jo Anne, this is Frank-o in Talent, OR.

Most of the time it seems they are spraying over the Rogue Valley 3-4 days a week, but that is a rough average. As for recently here, they haven't been spraying for the last ten days or so, and only just resumed activity today, though mostly just to the east of me (the trails drift from west to east, so trails just to the east means clear skies for me!) as opposed to the east and west of me as has usually been their pattern. Of course back on the 12th I had some very interesting experiences (check my posts on this thread) and even today while they were active near us, the sky was blue, blue, blue above us with the exception of three trails which blew by quickly. So, it's been almost two weeks now that they haven't sprayed, or have had what seemed limited and curtailed activity.

[pyramidnj]

Thanks Frank for your feedback. More feedback from all over the place coming from others of our family here is welcomed. Suffice it to say, it will be helpful....;)

Much love to all!
Jo Anne

[fiz]

Here in Seattle the chemtrails continue daily, numbering in the dozens at least. I continue to zap them with a gaze intending their dissolution, which appears to work fairly well, though not always.

I'm also noticing strange, unnatural-looking wave-like patterns showing up in the sky, usually after the chemspew is laid down. I wonder to myself if the wave-patterns are a result of HAARP activity working towards some publicly-undisclosed end.

Happily, I'm also seeing a lot of Sylph's actively breaking up the chem-crud into feathery/angelic signatures of themesleves. Anyone else notice this phenomena occuring?

Re: Sylph's, Wikipedia offers this quick definition:

"Sylph is a mythological creature in the Western tradition. The term originates in Paracelsus, who describes sylphs as invisible beings of the air, his
elementals of air."


Peace....

Fiz

[Verm]

I would like to resurrect this post, so hopefully someone won't bash me for it. Something that came to me today while I was out walking my dog. These past two days, 18th / 19th the sun is passing the Galactic Center, bombarding us with heavy light ( photons ). And for the most part they have been spraying alot where I am located in Austin, Texas. Now I am going off of what I watched of DW on the Camelot Project. David mentioned, that when you pass a laser or a light through one embryo and bounce it off to another, that other embryo takes that DNA. Do you think that is what perhaps some of this could be? Perhaps with the sun beaming its light through these chemtrails, it's actually passing those structures to humans. Just an idea though! I am also using my cloudbusters to remove as many as I can which helps alot, but today specifically, there is so much spray going on its creating cloud cover when it was supposed to be a completely clear day.

[Spiral of Light]

Just found this thread (Thanks, Verm) for the first time, and would like to add that the area around Nashville, TN, was heavily marked with chemtrails while I was there. I took pictures of them because they were so obvious and disturbing to me. Can not help wondering, why doesn't the general public notice them? ...or care????

I moved to Sydney, Australia, in October and have not seen one since.:)

[LightEye]

Dear Friends,

I couldn't find the chemtrails postings so I'm posting this seperate.

http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

Be Well, Be Love.

David

Chemtrails - Shocking Phoenix Air Quality Test Results
By Ted Twietmeyer
6-14-8

Recently, a reader sent me data on air tests performed in the Phoenix area. These charts show a number heavy metals are present in the environment at levels far exceeding the safe toxic level standards for human health. The person who performed the air sampling had it analyzed by a professional laboratory, and has asked for confidentiality. Exact location in Phoenix of the samples collected and names involved will not be disclosed in this report.

I have personally seen the actual report with the name of the person who and location where air was sampled and the name of the testing laboratory, and certify that the report appears authentic.

Scans of the report provided to me of laboratory results were sent as files of more than 1MB in size each. Each chart has been reduced in size here to fit on your screen by this author. One chart was rotated for proper orientation but has not been altered in any other way.

[vjvousden]

I'm not surprised at these levels, they bomb us with this crap everyday all day. Though I must say I'm noticing lapses of 2 or 3 days between poisonings in May and now June. But our air is a light brownish red most days. I stay indoors mostly, even on the few cool weather days we have. I can't breath that stuff. My throat closes up, I've battled sinus and chest infections all winter (and this with little contact outside the home). I even was going into pneumonia in Jan. (I'm in my 40's and fairly healthy normally).

The thing is, we can analyze this to death but knowing isn't fixing it. How can we do anything about this? People are really sick, some dying from this. And we can tell people, write to newspapers, blog, write to our representatives and all we get is either "It's you imagination" or a nice note saying it's just Air Force exercises. And at a personal level what can we do? Drs. tell us it's allergies, air pollution or the flu without a hint that it could be anything lethal. And you are suspect if you mention this to the Dr. (I hinted and got non-reaction). I took a heavy metal cleanse in supplement form recently but only half finished it because it made me so sick I felt like I'd die. I take colloidal silver and regular vitamins but what else can the common Joe do? I love nature and hate like anything having to hideout in my house. And my 6 yr. old daughter can't live her life hiding out inside. She loves playing outside but there is no safe time. We can't move due to my husband's job and even if we did, it's not better anywhere else we've visited. Even in Europe they are spraying chemtrails. So what is a person to do?

Frustrated and sick in Phoenix (and today is my birthday),
Valarie

[yossarian]

You could move to northern Canada if you really want to escape it.

I doubt we have these where I live, there is too much open empty space, and I rarely see those contrails in the sky let alone a big grid of them.

How do we know that the heavy metals are caused by airplanes anyway?

[vjvousden]

I know David said the I11...naughties are running out of money to do their evil deeds but that hasn't seemed to stop the chemtrails here. If anything, there is a renewed vigor! Today, they were going 10 at a time and didn't stop till there was a white out in the sky. I could smell it, too. A musty, swampy sort of smell. It made my eyes and nose sting. I just try to stay indoors. Difficult as this is our perfect weather time of year here. :(
Blessings all, hoping "they" run out of juice for the unmarked jets soon!
Valarie

[Meriut]

Hi all...I am up north here in Sedona and we are getting chemtrail covered again here the past few days. I have so many photos of this insanity....*sigh*

Anyhow...I recently came upon this great site: Ontario (California) Weather Service Here's a link: www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html

They give forecast maps for spraying for three days out (& I believe that a monthly forecast is soon available) and also have forums too. The guy who runs it is a meteorologist who could no longer in good conscience go along with the unspoken knowledge among his peers that this chemtrailing is really real. (How ANYONE with eyes in his head can deny that these are more than "just contrails" is beyond me.)

I try to stay in a good space about these things but the scuzzing up of my blue AZ skies really makes it hard. Plus I have had this annoying cough now for about a year. (Non smoker here.) I try to stay indoors when they are spraying but jeepers...its too many days and I need to be outside, ya know?


Interesting that they are spraying so heavily now in AZ. (...and I SO wanted to make it down to PHX to Chet Snow's event to see David....)

Valerie..I hope you are feeling better...its awful here, I can imagine that PHX is so much worse. Just what are they doing, thats what I want to know. :(


Hang in....
Blessings & love
Meriut

[KassandraLoves]

It saddens me that they are treating us as people like lab mice or something...

You know what though? I am confident in the fact that as much as they can try to control the things that happen to my body (via their chemtrails and flouridation and all that other junk) that I am still the only one in control of what affects me.

If I trust that I am in control, it might just work out in my favor.

I saw a TON of chemtrails this morning over the seattle/south seattle area this morning driving into work....And when I saw them, I covered them in love and saw the light i was sending just encapsule the bad stuff.

I hope my little effort is helpful in our world. Nasty stuff they do.

[Babyblue]

did you read the piece on Davids site about the russian scientists who made the pyramids to the dimensions of PHI?
Easy to calculate and build.
I would read up on this and get building, these pyramids can be easily constructed in a garden and do numerous things such as cleaning the air, healing the ozone layer, reducing earthquake activity, charging your food and water etc etc.
Hi V by the way, love elektra x x x (bablyblue)

[tigermoff]

If all of the planets are heating up due to the sun heating up as it nears the galletic plane, then it makes sense for those in the know to try to stop the earth heating up at the speed of some of the other planets which are futher from the sun than earth.

[litllady]

Hey all,

I searched a good ol thread to bring back to life for a particular something to share with ya and get some feedback on.

A few days back, my daughter brought me one of her shirts that she has worn a couple days before and showed me what seems like little red spots on her shirt. My first thought was 'how did a mold grow so fast....but then she reminded me that this was the shirt she had on the evening she had to run home in the rain, she had changed into dry clothes, tossing the wet shirt behind her door. I remember her being soaked from the rain.

So I took some pics and uploaded them to the Albums on my profile here at DC. The link
http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/album.php?albumid=57

Ive googled a few things trying to make some sense of this....the only thing that seems to resonate somewhat with this strangness is a rash that the schools have been batteling. My daughter happens to be one of the many children that have this strange rash, making a laced blotch all over their skin. Somtimes called fits/fitz disease, but then another doctor says it is not fits disease.

I couldnt find any odd happeneings with any airplanes or others claiming to of had stains on anything from this evening of rain....but it is a really light pink, not sure on how many colors it would actually show up on what ever it is.

Any similar stories abroad would be appriciated.

I know mold can grow fast, and especially being wet like it was, but Im pretty confident this is not mold. I think what ever made the red stains was in the rain.

Share thoughts,
Lynette

[tuesday]

Linda Moulton-Howe, who is a frequent guest on the Coast to Coast radio show, has been working with a Chinese biologist to identify a strange "red rain".

If anyone can figure out what "rained" on your daughter's shirt, it's Linda. She'd probably be happy to take a look at your photos. She's also a very nice lady. Send her an e-mail at her website, www.earthfiles.com.

Good luck!

[tuesday]

Linda Moulton-Howe, who is a frequent guest on the Coast to Coast radio show, has been working with a Chinese biologist to identify a strange "red rain".

If anyone can figure out what "rained" on your daughter's shirt, it's Linda. She'd probably be happy to take a look at your photos. She's also a very nice lady. Send her an e-mail at her website, www.earthfiles.com.

Good luck!
Wow, I'm sorry! I really mangled this! Let me try again.

I went to earthfiles.com and searched for the term "red rain". I got this headline:
"10/25/2007 — Red Rain Cells of Kerala, India: Physicist Says Still No DNA, But Replication At 300 Degrees Celsius ( 572 F.)"

(I'm not a subscriber anymore, so I couldn't get the rest of the article, but I do remember it was interesting!)

So. Instead of a Chinese biologist, Linda worked with an Indian physicist, to try to id the red rain that fell in India. And, she's still who I would ask about yours.

http://cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/c065.gif

Sorry for the stupid!

[litllady]

Hello Tuesday,

Thanks for that info. I too remember reading such a article but I too was not able to view it today at Earthfiles due to the subscription thing. I did write Linda in a email after seeing your posts....mabey she will give her thoughts back to me about it.

I looked up red molds and they seem to grow in patches....which is not what I see going on with these red spots. Ill be away for a few days, going out of town on a family emergency...but Ill get back to all of this next week.

Thanks for the info!

Love Lynette

[meganarline]

Hi Lynette,

First I hope everything is okay with your family emergency.

I do have a subscription to the earthfiles website and I don't want to share too much and get my subscription revoked but some of the interesting facts about this red rain is that it has happened on three separate occasions in the same place, 2001,2006 and 2007 in India. It may be extraterrestrial in origin and

He told me in an interview last year that when he first saw the red rain magnified, he was struck by the beautiful rust color of what seemed to be living cells.

Elements confirmed so far are hydrogen, silicon, oxygen, carbon, and aluminum. No phosphorous was confirmed, which would be present if Earth DNA were present

It's a mystery to me. I would not wash the shirt just in case she wants to do some testing on it.

Good luck,

Love,

Megan

[tuesday]

Thanks, Megan!
I remembered it was interesting, but I'd forgotten just how interesting.

Lynette, YIKES! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/n050.gif
At least it's pink. Pink is a friendly color, isn't it?

Did you use a new fabric softener, or anything like that? I suppose it's early for pollen...rust is pink-ish, so that might mean iron...hmmmm.

I love a mystery. Please do let us know what you find!

tuesday

p.s. Hope all is well!

[litllady]

Hey all,

Im still very curious about the 'red rain' idea and I am still hanging onto the shirt. Ive showed it to several people and have yet to find any explanation for it.

Im going to search some people this week that might be interested in looking at it and send some emails out.

Im well aware that there may be a logical explanation for this...but until I find that explanation, Im going to remain curious.

I would like to find out if there is some sort of fibers or particles on the shirt that are not from molds or mildew. Ive had cloths mildew and mold before in the laundry and I have never seen red mold or mildew like this....

This might be on the back burner for now...but I will continue to search for someone interested in testing the shirt.

Love Lynette

[meganarline]

Earthfiles has done an update on the red rain story. Here's the link.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1526&category=Science

Not sure if it's the same red rain you experienced Lynette but it makes for an interesting read anyways.

Megan

[tuesday]

Also, LightEye posted the update from earthfiles here:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12522

(Lynette, send Linda that shirt!! It makes me nervous to think of it in your laundry basket!!)

[litllady]

Hiya all

I will email Linda again, mabey the last mail I sent got over looked because I cant imagine someone with her interests not being curious about such a thing.

I do have the shirt folded up in a freezer bag...so it is not laying in the laundry or touching any thing else...just in case.

Thanks for the support and interests....it helps me not fall to the more doubtfull side that it is nothing...even though it may very well be. Your support helps keep me engaged in the curious side of it all and I need that when life is so busy and its so easy to toss it all aside and worry about other things.

Im off to read lighteyes posts....Ill send Linda another email and tell her Im willing to cut a piece off of the shirt and send it to her. Any other names of people that might be interested to test the shirt for me is appreciated.

Im also interested in any weather experiments that might be going on in Alabama...I live 40 mins away from the Space Rocket Center in Huntsville AL and I am sure there are many research facilities in that area also.

Love ya all
Lynette

[shawnnicolier]

I've noticed chemtrails near where I live. It's getting in the way of my sungazing.:(

[Lightstar]

For those of you who still have any doubt that chemtrails are just extended con-trails, hopefully this testimony will help you discover a solid conclusion.

Over the Holiday break that I get off of University, I flew from Colorado to California to live with my parents for a few weeks. Both times that I flew both to California and recently from California, I noticed lower flying jets with very extended "con-trails."

However, most notably was my journey back to Colorado from California. I saw 3 total chemtrails. 2 were already sprayed right above some dense overcast that we were flying above, and the other was being sprayed by a plane flying just about the overcast line opposite my plane's direction.

Of the two chemtrails already sprayed, 1 of those trails had lingered long enough that it was "bleeding" into the overcast clouds. I mean there was no doubt that this was not water vapor from a con trail. It seemed to be more dense than water because of the way it was bleeding, but I don't know enough about water vapor dynamics to make a solid conclusion about that. Anyhow, part of that chem trail that we were flying over was also still solidly a chem trail, it was just a portion of the trail that was bleeding with the oldest part bleeding the most.

Now here's the thing, I saw many other planes flying alongside the plane I was flying in. NONE of the planes that were flying near our altitude, as some were slightly below) had a chemtrail. None.

So there you have it, that definitely was all the proof I needed for myself to believe this "phenomena" to be real. Hopefully this will help those of you who are still skeptical come to a more sound conclusion whether or not you "buy" it. (See that's a pun because your tax dollars...).

Anyway, have a good day. :D

[ryan]

Could there be something new being added to jet fuel? It seems like the trails are coming from every jet in the sky when the conditions are right.

A useful resource for identifying traffic: http://www.flightaware.com

[C-JEAN]

Hi, chemtrails watchers !

Lightstar, I know what you are talking about.

The worst is: For a while I thought that Canada was to insignificant/small to get chemtrails.

Welllllllll, I did see some youtube with no doubt chemtrails, over our big cities,
like Toronto or Montreal with the white...ish lines in the skie ! !

Blue skies.

[ryan]

It seems like theres always a ring around the moon lately. Anyone else noticing this?

[Meriut]

They (whoever "they" are) have been very busy boys over the SW/AZ lately. It seems as if we are being covered VERY heavily the past few weeks- 24/7. Probably why there is always a ring around the moon if the skies aren't completely scuzzed over.

The old grid pattern that wasn't happening for a while is currently back full force. Just a few minutes ago I noticed a jet flying at a lower altitude (saw it cross beneath a freshly laid chemtrail so I was sure it was lower) lay a "shadow trail"- no white contrail coming from this lower jet but whatever was coming from the engines left a darker trail. Have seen this before but its always odd. Maybe its all the chemicals in the air above that affects it.....:confused:

Sure wish I knew why they are doing this (then again...maybe I don't).

Are TPTB getting even more desperate and are spraying even more of whatever it is they spray over the planet? ARGH!

[Bill]

Boy oh boy, were we busy? I saw about 6 active chemtrails in Denver around 10 AM this morning, and that is on top of the dozen or so that were already in the sky.

[Lightstar]

They have been spraying a lot up in Ft. Collins too where I go to school for the past month or so. Also, I have been watching Denver get blanketed by the same stuff on my drive home.

Interesting times.

Cheers.

[Hugh Jorgan]

i work outside in orlando so i have seen super clear days with not even one single contrail or "chemtrail" and literally the next day there will be line after line laid across the sky all day long. my father says he's seen these his whole life and doesn't believe their spraying anything. he believes that when a plane hits a patch of moisture in the sky it creates condensation in the sky leaving trails. with all the false info on the internet its hard to know what to believe.
strange times and strange skies

HJ

[Hugh Jorgan]

I am planning on interviewing my friends father. he was in the air force, he was a air traffic controller for 25+ years, and he is currently traveling the world to help implement a new air traffic program for airports around the world(he's out of town 300 days a year). i need some suggestions for questions to ask. anything from ufo's, to policy about ufo's, chemtrails etc. I dont know how "in the know" this man is or how much information he will be willing to share but i plan to find out. im doing this interview purely for my own curiosity and knowledge and i will post the transcript on this thread once i complete the interview.
Thx for any help!
HJ

[Muse]

Hey, my grandson is learning about Project Cloverleaf in 5th grade. They are teaching the kids these days about chemtrails, saying they spray to protect us from the hole in the ozone.

Good thing this whole reality is just a dream, an illusion of great proportion. ;)

What they really are for I doubt we will ever know, because it is a very secret military operation.