Hey! What about those Chemtrails?!

[Mozart]

[dw's note: since he ends on a positive note here, and this is a concern of some people who come here, we've let it through. the 'real' chemtrail phenomenon appears to have already ended, and went under the name "project raindancer" -- a three-fold process.

1. seed clouds for rain, 2. provide a reflective shield for haarp experimentation, and 3. reflect sunlight back into space to try to offset global warming.

i have reliable insider information that raindancer was discontinued. it may go on to some degree still, but most of the really scary data came out of a few small events. the political fallout from continuing raindancer was deemed to be worse than whatever benefit it was hoped to have to try to save the planet from 'global warming'.

please minimize posts about conspiracy material as much as possible. such content proliferates online, and there is no need to further it here, particularly in light of how our consciousness is so directly tied in with what then manifests on earth. consult our guidelines for more info.]

air-breathing folks,

here's a useful chemtrail url that is loaded with pictures, articles and urls on the diabolical chemtrail phenomenon, plus haarp info as well:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14

it's loaded with a lot of useful info.

take a quick look at this hexagonal formation that can be considered to be proof of the activity of haarp:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=mjtc66o6a1.buff alo_s?p=165&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

and there's a few photos of these anomalous cloud formations that may be very positive effects of "sylphs", which are alleged to be giant beings that are supposed to be floating in our skies in their efforts to transmute the chemtrails that are now polluting our skies:

http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies;jsessionid=mjtc66o6a1.buff alo_s?p=172&n=1&m=-1&c=4&l=0&w=4&s=0&z=3

i really do hope that the "sylphs" are for real--if so, then we can surely use the exponential power of the positive to actively call in the sylphs to assist us even more, can't we?

i naturally tend towards serious rage/anger over the chemtrail issues, but i'm really trying to find a way to approach this phenomenon in positive ways so that i don't inadvertently feed the bs chemtrails/negativity even more, so help me god.

as matthew said in his last message, the url of which i have posted in another post about "first fart" (i.e. bush), there are millions of beings helping us people out on earth, so they are there to help us out; also, he pointed out that protesting/resisting the negatives only increases the power of the negatives. of course i was already aware of the idea of resisting something only increases what one resists, but matthew's message was a good reminder of that fact.

and if you put that together with david's point in a recent blog of his about the exponential power of the positive calling in of positive vibes/love, there is a very real possibility that just a few tens of thousands of people actively calling in help and positive vibes can create a large-enough army of slyphs to eat up all the &^#*^ chemtrails in our skies, thus negating the massive, multi-billion-dollar efforts of the illoonynaughties to really mess us up, both the people and earth herself. wouldn't that be awesome if we successfully called in an army of sylphs and cleaned up our skies?

it seems to me that, perhaps, the sheer amount of accumulated negative effects of the "leaders" of the world (wars, chemtrails, pollution, economic crisises, etc, etc) and the illoonynaughties would force us to resort to calling in positive help/love as a last resort. it has become clear to me that we may soon need a 100th-monkey effect in calling in the positive to start to stem the rising tide of negative effects of the negative shadows cast by the illoonynaughties.

~seth

[Robert Riedel]

hey gang!

great topic for further consideration and ponderin' and you need go no further that the this wonderful website that you're already on to find out anything you never wanted to know about chemtrails.

go start-links-jeff rense, and then just scroll down to find the latest scientific discussions concerning, chem-spraying, possible proof of a link to morgellions dis-ease, and more. great pictures, too. almost as good as mine.

private e-me for a showing...robertriedel@sbcglobal.net

bob

[vjvousden]

hi, long time no post! i think i find the new format more complex and too much compared to the e-mail digest. oh well, change is life...life is change.

i want to know if others are seeing the amount of sky spraying i've been witness to over the last few months. it's been going on for a while now but lately it's intense. i'm talking everyday, most of the day. and it isn't a couple of cross-hatchings in the sky like tic-tac-toe (naughts and crosses, for you brits ;) ), they are weaving an intricate blanket up there! by sunset, it's so overcast, you barely see a pale orange ball going down. and i like being outdoors. i have a small garden i tend just so i have some fruit and vegetables i know will be healthy for my family but i don't even like being outside now. and are these foods safe? i'm hearing and seeing for myself more and more people suffering from respiratory problems, severe allergies, flu-like symptoms. i have sniffles everyday and have really been laid out with some nasty migraines in the last month. not even aleeve touched it and that usually knocks headaches right out. i have started taking colloidal silver daily, the omega oils and a good multivitamin. trying to incorporate more organic veg and fruit also.

this blatant activity isn't even touched by the news, state representatives don't acknowledge a problem when you write them, the local paper won't print anything about them in their editoral columns. so people who could do something are in complete denial or sticking their heads in the sand (or somewhere). and i can't hope for it to just go away at the end of this current administation's term because i'm sure the orders come from higher up. and 2012 is still 5 yrs away. i'd like to be around in this body for it. i plan to be one of those who helps set things up and get our dear mother earth/gaia back to her lovely self. so how does one go on with this bombardment daily (and this is only one thing of all that's going on (closest to home)... i won't even start on the other stuff) and keep in a positive place? i manage to most of the time but there are days, like today, i feel i just can't take it. it's just so oppressive (as in heavy, stifling, suffocating). i'm ready for this to end now. i want us to all be that one society of love, compassion, help, the highest good...now!

so i guess i'm asking if this is as severe elsewhere as it is here (arizona), if so, how you are coping with it, what can we do about it (if you have an idea) and is there a way to protect ones self against the toxins?

sorry to be such a discouraged soul today but it gets to me.

wishing us all peace in our lives once and for all,
valarie

[Robert Riedel]

hey valerie, david, and fellow air breathers,

stepped -up would seem to be an understatement- i've heard that it is now necessary to "touch-up" the sattelite photos made public, or else you would see just how wide-spread this has become- and i've seen recent evidence reveiled by airline support personel that our commercial fleet is, or has been modified also in addition to the military tankers, to spray this stuff on us through changes to the supposedly closed toilet systems- extra tanks and plumbing, and discharge nozzles under the wings, and that the jobs that nobody wants, are being filled with folks who are filling these tanks, under the guise of dumping the toilets.

dennis kucinich is the only congressman to introduce legislation to address this issue to date, put he's only one voice in a horribly corrupt government-out-of-control.

out in your area, back in the thirtys, there was an event that became known as the phoenix wars, and involved a blilliant scientist, william reich, and a group using orgone generators to produce rain, in an area that had been under drought conditions for nearly a year. their results are still in the record books for that time, as the most rainfall amounts ever to hit that area, and the story involved ufo's, government cover-ups, and all kind of wonderful nastyness, that would make a great movie some day.

now, that same technology is being re-invented, and made available to those who look up, and if you do look up in some areas now, you will see a battle of gigantic preportions happening on a daily basis. personally, i mega-dose myself with mangosteen juice, to keep a theraputic level of the zanthones in my bloodstream, and i don't seem to suffer near the sniffling effects of others, unless i forget to drink my juice. i'm also a distributor, but don't promote on this website, which is how i'm able to keep enough on hand to get through the "cloudy days."

for more information, go to the jeff rense site, linked-up on this site in the links section, and also http://educate-yourself.org has a ton of information on this. wash, and cover your plants at night, is the best i can come up with for the home gardeners.

bob

[fiz]

yep, chemtrails are everywhere, and they are real, though who and what is behind them remains a contemporary mystery.

a few clicks on the net though will lead to a quick education on the current folklore, of which reich, as robert cites, was a pioneer.

there are several online groups as well devoted to discussing chemtrails, and practicing various modes of creative resistance and prevention. my own pursuits along these lines has yielded an interesting discovery, namely, that it is possible to directly intervene with chemtrails when they are being laid down, and even dissolve them. i do this by simply focusing my third eye on the trails as they are being laid down, as well as on the craft laying them down, with the intention of dissolving the spew. sometimes this seems to directly dissolve the trails in their entirety; other times it seems to significantly diminish them.

my own gut-hunch about chemtrails is that they are part of a global coordinated attempt to reduce the health of earth's citizen's during the run-up to ascension, and minimize thereby harvest to positive 4d. others will say they are part of a global aerosol spraying program to minimize global warming. i can't claim to know one way or the other, though i do give my gut priority.

good luck educating and empowering yourself further....

chris

[LightEye]

check out this post...

http://www.carnicom.com/corepulse.htm

aerosol asymmetry:core tracks & pulse observations
clifford e carnicom
santa fe, nm
may 14 2007

a significant set of observations has taken place. on mother's day and the day following of 2007, another major aerosol operation was conducted over the skies of the santa fe, new mexico region. a more detailed visual examination of some of these emissions has been made; mechanical, artificial and systematic introduction of the aerosols appears evident. there are two primary observed anomalies at this time: the first of these is the presence of what may be referred to as "core tracks" (ribbon-like; possibly filamentous in nature) and the second is the repeated presence of a characteristic "pulse" emission. the behavior and character of these anomalies is now being presented and an adequate basis for further examination exists with this article. these characteristics are completely out of accordance with any claims of meterological discontinuities in the atmosphere, any uniform fluid or gas dynamic analysis, and any unmodified combustive process. it is apparent that distributions of discrete material into the atmosphere are taking place. complete identification of these processes and the unusual chemical and physical reactions that accompany them are required to safeguard the welfare and interests of the citizens of this planet.

[vjvousden]

thanks for all your answers. i checked out the recommended sites. wish there were better news but there you go. i appreciate all your responses.

gratefully,
valarie

[Robert Riedel]

the news is what the news is- and if you track the string of control associated with almost all news services, you find the same individuals and organizations associated with the dumping of this chemical soup on us in the form of chemtrails, as well as the slow, but sure poisoning of our food, and water supplies. call them what you wish, and they do have their connections to our horribly-corrupt -government, so there's no relief, or white nights gonna be charging out of washington to save us, or to hold an umbrella over our heads. what is really ironic, is that it is our tax dollars that make this all possible in the first place! just look at the military spending of this once great nation- they are spending money like there's no tomorrow, becauce, just maybe, the don't think there will be, at least not for us.

i truely believe that the ultimate purpose is to keep stressing the human immune systems of the targeted populations, and then the same delivery system can be used to release the latest genetically modified version of frog-flu,or some other variation, to facilitate the culling of the excess population, or, inother words, genocide.

there are solutions. but they do not exist on the level of the problem- these sort of problems require an evolution in awareness, an expanding of counsousness if you will, and isn't it wonderful, that exactly that is happenning all over the planet, as we speak?

so, by all means, do look up. and, perhaps with just (just?) the power of your minds, render their nonsense ineffective, or just enjoy the rainbows.

bob

[charran]

so, by all means, do look up. and, perhaps with just (just?) the power of your minds, render their nonsense ineffective, or just enjoy the rainbows.

bob

yes, by all means look up! i look at the sun. einstein was reputed to look at the clouds and into a clear sky. there is more up there than them chemtrails. take the positive route when possible. avoid the negative stuff but recognize it. in less than 5 years it will all change...regardless of what the negative elite want.

keep the faith,

charran

[LightEye]

here's more...

http://www.checktheevidence.com/chemtrails/

illegal aerosol spraying operations over united kingdom airspace an informal report and request for immediate, serious and candid study by department of environment,civil aviation authority,royal air force and any other bodies with expertise or interest.

andrew johnson
may 2007

introduction

1.1 background to this submission

for the last 2 years, since photographing the scene shown below, from my study room’s window, i have become increasingly concerned about persistent aircraft trails in the skies over the uk. it seems to be the case that official denial surrounds this very important issue - which affects all of us.

i have supplied a selection of information in this document, and i freely admit that i am not an expert in climatology, chemistry or meteorology. however, i do have a bachelor’s degree in computer science and physics and have a background in software engineering and education, which has involved a considerable amount of technical analysis in several different fields of work. in summary, i’m not stupid, nor am i given to jumping to conclusions, without analysing available evidence.

no pretences are made, however, about the nature of this submission: it is not a detailed scientific analysis, nor is it particularly comprehensive. this is because it has been produced quickly and with the limited resources of one person. this should not detract, however, from the important discussion of basic evidence which it is designed to initiate and encourage.

1.2 notes about possible responses to this submission

i am not the first to notice or write about this phenomenon, nor am i the first to challenge official bodies about it, so in this section i have included some responses given to challenges made in the usa.

i may be one of the first to submit a “challenge” to official bodies in the uk and i have provided these sample responses as ones which can be classed as inadequate and unacceptable - i.e. these responses are not worth the paper they are written on. if you should choose to respond in a manner similar to that of the responses given below, there is little point in responding at all – it will achieve nothing and will not address the facts and evidence presented here.

the key point is this – just because i cannot clearly say why someone is deliberately spraying substances into our atmosphere does not mean it is not happening. to make a comparison, if there are road works going on outside my house, i may not easily be able to determine whether they are laying cables, doing maintenance, laying a new pipeline or doing some exploratory digging. for me to then say “well, i do not know what the purpose of these road works is, therefore they must not be happening” is illogical and denies the reality of the evidence.

[soup]

they say that cfc's damage the ozone. there must be thousands of pounds of hydrocarbons spewed into the upper atmosphere by jet travel. to me this seems where the c's of cfc's come from. the militaries use chlorine penta fluoride in rocket fuels. to me this seems where the f's of cfc's come from. the chemistry needs to be neutralized or else the chemistry will keep eroding the ozone and this doesn't seem like rocket science to figure out.

from a perspective of benevolence, i consider the chemtrails as an active bandaid effort to counter the damaging effects of cfc's upon the ozone.
in this case, we should praise the abundance of chemtrails.

[Dihlon]

you work outside and see this stuff being disseminated over your head. i see it being stepped up here in southern utah. i was officiating a softball tournament over the weekend and it was forecast to be around 100 degrees that day. around 1 p.m. i saw the familiar "x" marks the spot being formed just before they started spraying in earnest. once the chemtrails spread enough to merge into one another(nicely positioned to block out the midday sun), there was a noticeable temperature drop of at least a few degrees. enough that i noticed it! that night and today i've suffered burning eyes and some minor sinus and throat irritation.

if it wasn't for my belief in the fact that there are also benevolent civilizations at work during this time to combat these crazy, self-serving beings, let alone good souls here on earth also seeking ways to counter the effects of this madness, i'd be searching for ways to obtain a rocket launcher! :d

instead, i believe i'll try to maintain a spirit of calm and reassurance and beam messages of clarity of thought, compassion and love to those who inhabit the cockpit of these planes. i also think i'll try the third eye exercise mentioned in a prior post and see if i can have some effect. other than that, i'm at a loss as to how to combat this weapon of terror, save exposure and informing the public at large somehow.

peace

[leo scone]

knowing the ingenuity of man i'm sure that the chemtrails are being used in all possible ways: controlling global warming, owning the weather, mass vaccinations, electro-magnetic atmospheric experimentations, our genetic dumbing down through nanotech engineered bacterium and viruses, even just flat out poisoning us for population control. the sicker we get, the more the medical/pharmaceutical block profit, though not if we all get sick too quickly! better to get us sick slowly - it would be more profitable to them. them. them is, of course, just a symbol of our mass consciousness. so, while chemtrails are likely attempting to "do" all these different things we have a couple of aces up our sleaves. first, in faith and knowing of the changes coming to us all in just a few years, and knowing the truth that stress causes huge amounts of cummulative damage to our physical beings i would recommend less worry and more compassion. it is what we give to this world from our hearts that matters most now. i can mount no battle individually that could change what the chemtrails are and why they are being sprayed, but i am fully aware that my emotions, my awarenesses are being registered, as are all of our emotions and reactions. and it is the sum of all of our feelings and reactions that becomes reflected within manifestation as our reality. so, i try to be compassionate toward those willing to pilot those planes, for all they might go through with their own families, sickened at their own hands. and i try to be thankful for the catalyst provided, for the blatent spraying that gives us wonderful opportunity to seek change and growth. indeed, change and growth are inevitable, and my real internal secret weapon concerning chemtrails is this - whoever the idjits are who perpetrate this crime will likely be disappointed when all the stressors they are placing upon our physical and energetic beings actually spur us toward a positive and beneficial evolutionary mutation, making us stronger, healthier, and more beautiful. okay, so i'm stretching it with the beautiful thing. point is, i don't think "they" know their science as well as they think, and that, along with compassionate possitivity, will "win" the day!

all is well, if a bit bumpy! love, blessing, and abundance all!

[eyez4096]

quoted:

they say that cfc's damage the ozone. there must be thousands of pounds of hydrocarbons spewed into the upper atmosphere by jet travel. to me this seems where the c's of cfc's come from. the militaries use chlorine penta fluoride in rocket fuels. to me this seems where the f's of cfc's come from. the chemistry needs to be neutralized or else the chemistry will keep eroding the ozone and this doesn't seem like rocket science to figure out.

from a perspective of benevolence, i consider the chemtrails as an active bandaid effort to counter the damaging effects of cfc's upon the ozone.
in this case, we should praise the abundance of chemtrails.

unquote.



me:

to the best of my knowledge the cfcs cause problems by reacting with ozone -- the same way light energy normally does, which reduces the amount of energy reaching the surface of the earth (a good thing) -- and reducing the amount of ozone remaining to react with the light as naturally occurs. this is a phenomenon which is very much related to the structure and stability of the cfc chemical. the problem with cfc's compared to other hydrocarbons is not that they react with ozone like the others do, but that they remain in the atmosphere for a long time without breaking down because they're so stable (the reason they were so popular.. they don't break down quickly!)...

you can think of the ozone layer as consisting of a bunch of o3 atoms dancing about, being bombarded by uv radiation from the sun, being broken apart by that energy into o2 and o, then during the night reforming to perform their job again the next day. since cfc's cause the same breaking apart of the o3, and continually, not being destroyed in the process, they don't give the oxygen a chance to re-bond. this problem persists until the cfcs are destroyed by naturally degrading (which does happen, just slowly). as i implied, other hydrocarbons are comparably unstable (they react with oxygen and are destroyed/morphed) so it's unlikely they are causing this same type of problem....... this is not to say that they can't, but it is to point out the difference in subject matter.

-charles

[SpiralCycle]

i always thought that it was natural for airplanes to let of natural contrails and that many people were conspiring at this theory but once again my american logic had sucked me in again now knowing a bit more on them.

i have a link here where i had posted some stuff earlier that covers key points on the chemtrail agenda in a few paragraphs.

http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewthread&entryid=32482437&categoryid=0&issticky=0&groupid=101163642&mytoken=bb67818f-8ea5-444e-9632069f7936103175630150

[Robert Riedel]

so thiis is how syncronystic events occur...

tonight, george noory will host clifford e. carnicom, a reasearch scientist who has a web-site about chemtrails, and other wierd stuff- http://www.carnicom.com give a listen,eh?

bob

[fiz]

i can mount no battle individually that could change what the chemtrails are and why they are being sprayed, but i am fully aware that my emotions, my awarenesses are being registered, as are all of our emotions and reactions. and it is the sum of all of our feelings and reactions that becomes reflected within manifestation as our reality. so, i try to be compassionate toward those willing to pilot those planes, for all they might go through with their own families, sickened at their own hands. and i try to be thankful for the catalyst provided, for the blatent spraying that gives us wonderful opportunity to seek change and growth.

i appreciate your point of view here, and it is a helpful reminder to me that i can be radically "inclusive" of whatever sts-agenda's might be afoot vis-a-vis chemtrails.

at the same time, while being thusly compassionate and inclusive and effortlessly widening the sphere of my own love of all beings thereby.....i also like to take a few trails out every now and then, just for kicks. :cool:

when i find myself outdoors, say heading to the grocery store, inevitably i'll see a plane or three laying down some of that phantom crud in the sky. if i have time, i'll stop and calmly regard said plane, and intend to focus the benign ray of being from my third eye upon it. i've learned not to try too hard when doing this, but to make the focusing of my intention the point. it's usually not long before the spray dwindles to nothing, or next to nothing, at which point i resume my walk to the store.

what i find rewarding in this kind of practice is the sense that i, a single individual, can actively do something to intervene with what feels to me (without my empirically *knowing* of course) to be an innately creepy activity. my spidey sense tells me these trails are not good for humans! perhaps i'm wrong, but i do feel capable of tuning into the subtle energetic signature of things, and in this case, the readout i get is that this stuff is bad for people.

i do find that taking out one, two or six trails a day makes a difference in my own relationship to the world. now, imagine if others caught on to this simple practice, and by word of mouth, people increasingly became effective at dissolving this spew directly, without going to the "authorities" first. in my world, such a possibility would seem to be part and parcel of what it means for human beings to do our part in paving the way for a 4d experience, specifically in regards to caring for the earth and our fellow humans at the level of spiritual intention.

might this be another way to achieving the kind of similar positive, unintended outcome that you allude to? perhaps there are many ways....

chris

[vjvousden]

thanks, chris, for that little activity for us to feel we can actually do something. as it happens, i also ran across this simple mantra from someone with like concerns on another group and thought i'd pass this along:

no more chemtrails, not today
no more chemtrails, go away.
they can't stick and they can't stay
today will be a blue sky day.

(with your 3rd eye, erase the trail or for a more physical activity, grab or erase it with your hand)

amazingly, i tried this and the trails i focused on did seem to fade to nearly nothing. of course, i don't know if high winds (at a higher altitude) had something to do with it or not but hey, i'll take what i can get. gave me a boost of confidence in being able to do it if nothing else!
thanks so much for the on-going discussions on this subject. i greatly appreciate all the different points of view and reason. all i can say is, "roll on 2012!"

blessings,
valarie

[leo scone]

in my world, such a possibility would seem to be part and parcel of what it means for human beings to do our part in paving the way for a 4d experience, specifically in regards to caring for the earth and our fellow humans at the level of spiritual intention.

might this be another way to achieving the kind of similar positive, unintended outcome that you allude to? perhaps there are many ways....

chris[/quote]

thank you chris, for reminding me to wield my intent appropriately. i think i was mostly speaking to being hamstrung as to "doing anything" about the chemtrails. but intentional chemtrail busting is more of a not-doing in ways, isn't it? when the chemtrails first came into my awareness a couple of years back i became super-attentive, doing a lot of on line research, and becoming very emotionally involved. i did do some trail-busting as well, but i fell into the old "us and them" syndrome, as if it isn't all one. the kybalion states that all apparent pairs of opposites are effects of the same cause. so, to push on one end of a thing is to move the other end as well. one cannot fight against a thing without simultaneously feeding the energy of that duality. but it took quite the dramatic event to make me realize how polarized i had become. one afternoon here in talent or i just happened to be outside helping a neighbor fix their bike tire (usually i'd be in after-work lounge mode) when i heard a very large jet approaching. very large. it was a big military style jet, four engine, wings on the top of the body as opposed to on the bottom like passenger jets, all white, no visible call numbers, the only color being some yellow on the tail in a sort of crescent shape. most notable though were the eight large exhaust pipes, four to a side, at the bottom of the plane body, under the wings. for some reason this large (and dangerous) beast was making a turn right over the top of my head at low altitude to land at medford international airport. despite the international in the title it is a small airport and the landing of such a plane there could only have been some form of emergency. it was then that i stopped directing so much intent and energy into chemtrails. my attention to the problem was so strong i felt i'd brought that sucker right down on myself and would prefer a little more distance than that!

anyhoo, sorry for the long tale, thanks again chris - i will go back to some more "moderate" busting!

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[inside-up]

just a thought:

kozyrev said aluminum will shield or reflect torsion waves (time). if we are entering an area of space having increased torsion waves then maybe the abundance of aluminum in chemtrails is there for this reason. maybe they are trying to block 4d?

[fiz]

frank-o -- wow, what a story! i think i can relate...last year this time, i too was putting the pedal to the metal in my own chem-busting efforts. the skies were pretty clear for about a week, and i was feeling like i was making a difference. then i had a dream of half a dozen chem supertankers flooding the skies with spew, in what felt to me to be a clear extra-dimensional response to my hyperfocused efforts. this was followed by what felt to me to be a pretty heavy-duty psychic attack. though i held my own and passed through that moment unscathed, i felt that my experience had shown me how the elastic waistband of unity can come snapping right back in my face.

since then, like you, i've also learned to not try too hard, and just do my part, whenever the moment seems to be right. i don't try to get emotionally involved now. "it's nothing personal."

hm...maybe we're discovering a "tao of chembusting"?

valarie -- sounds like you're onto something! :)

i also like to use mantra's. "om mani padme hum" is a classic. sometimes when i'm feeling grouchy i'll find myself swearing an expletive or two beneath my breath. that seems to do the job too. (perhaps not quite so emotionally detached in those moments.)

it's good to be comparing notes with you two. it feels less isolating to know there are others out there moved in your own ways to help keep the skies a friendly place to fly....

chris

[yayeeya]

i'm not up to date on the subject of chemtrails, but i have noticed them in my area for awhile now. i've been thinking that they are tied in with the haarp project, as well as everything else..

[bweisberg]

i saw some chem trails outside my home in denver. i see them often. these were interesting because the source was obviously pulsing. the picture was taken 45 minutes after i first saw the huge lines in the sky. the picture shows the trails after they were almost completely dissipated.

[Gary T.]

i want to know if others are seeing the amount of sky spraying i've been witness to over the last few months. so i guess i'm asking if this is as severe elsewhere as it is here (arizona), if so, how you are coping with it, what can we do about it (if you have an idea) and is there a way to protect ones self against the toxins?
valarie


hi valarie,

this **it gets to me as well. (conceptually, not in a practical way because i live in a place where - mercifully - the populace doesn't appear to be directly affected by these covert shenanigans.) the best info that i've ever come across on the internet in explanation of exactly what the hell is going on is in a document that i've now got on my pc. i've named it:

chemtrails.html

and will happily send you a copy if you would like to read it for yourself. it's lengthy and intellectually demanding but is extremely plausible and left me when i read it with the internal conviction that at long last i had gotten to the well-concealed truth of this matter. maybe you'll feel the same if you study this stuff! if you want it just let me know and i'll send it on to you as an attachment.

best wishes,

gary t.

[vjvousden]

hi, gary and thanks. i'll give it a go. i'd like to see something scientific on the subject not just the conspiracy stuff on the web. yes, please, you can send it to me.

thanks,
valarie

ps. i think my address shows, you can send it to that one.

[Art]

gary t. -

if you're offering, i'd also be interested in giving this document a look. i believe you can attach it to a pm? :confused:

art


p.s. - to answer your question about seeing the sky spraying, here in western nc it isn't as bad as people describe in this thread. however, i am 1.5 hours away from any large metropolitain area (>100,000)... i have noticed these trails though and think i can differentiate between a chemtrail and a contrail (contrails basically disappear after a bit but these dang chemtrails don't). one night, my fiance and i were watching the full moon and we saw a trail "bend" when the path of the moon intercepted this trail. anyone else see something like this in the past months?

[epona]

gary - send me a copy of this document please, thank you. i have read most of the stuff on the web, and am tired of consipracy theories. i just 'know' what i see is not good for us.

inside up - thanx for the tip on aluminum and its 'preventive' effects, haven't heard that one before.

valarie - i am with you. you have no idea how many people i have heard say that since this winter they have had the hardest time with their health ever! too many. number me in the group too. i almost died from i don't even know what. first i thought it was my heart, but it wasn't. after much trial and error with herbs, i have hit on one possible cause that at least is the way it has been affecting me...and it's at least part fungus. if you remember, about 10-15 yrs ago many scientists suddenly, uh, died - most of which were microbiologists. go figure, huh? there are things that affect the body: bacteria, virus, fungus, food, water, air. my personal opinion is that chemtrails effectively cover all those bases for biological experimentation (i.e. we are the mice). sprayed over our food crops, us, water reservoirs, air. not very nice. the thing is...just know that fear/stress activates more bad things in your body than you will ever know, and shuts down many good things. so this wilcocks guy is right, we need to get out of fear mode. we need to survive past 2012.

it has been very hard for me. it will be harder on younger generations that are having more exposure, younger because they have grown up on processed foods. myself, i can only keep my nose above the water line, but am now working on some new things. a healthy balanced diet, as much organic as i can afford, and herbs to help with fungus and some of the health problems; and developing this positive attitude. :)

[leo scone]

absolutely keep up the positive intent with the chemtrails! it appears there is the potential for assistance with them as well. perhaps we just have to produce enough of a "calling" and the problem could be greatly reduced or eliminated! certainly this is high and hopeful thinking, but after my experiences this last week it may be more practical than imagined. check it out!

[note from moderator: the url provided was not concerning chemtrails and has been omitted. if you would like the url anyway, please email frank-o privately]

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[leo scone]

the link provided was a picture taken by myself on a day ridden with chemtrails. while i was taking the pictures hopefully to catch something anomolous, my intentionality that day was that in knowing about what they are doing with chemtrails i submit my spirit's vote that my free will not be usurped in such a way. you might say i was doing my best to reject a negative greeting. that a ufo appeared in at least one of the pictures i took that day could be construed as a response of some nature to my calling, as it were. i have heard that there is assistance being given to alleviate the effects of chemtrails and i can't help but feel that this was being affirmed for me that day. so, the url provided (unless as a basic techno-illiterate i screwed it up and you got the wrong url), while perhaps seeming off topic, is directly on the topic of chemtrails, their effects, what they are, and other associated events. while all the pictures of silvery "spheres" people have been getting while shooting chemtrail pictures could just be dumb luck - those things may likely be up there all the time - the overall experience from that day intuitively informed me there is an association between the object i photographed and my free-will desire that i was intentionally expressing that the trails be gone.

in any case, as i mentioned i'm not hugely savvy in computer tech and am just learning forum etiquette, or whatever it is. thanks for the time, and you may want to re-examine my submission to ufocasebook.com (unidentified object photographed over talent or). as well i totally respect your choices in the matter. many fish frying in one pan...

and just in general, i so deeply appreciate all that you all are achieving here. continue on and huzzah!

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[Robert Riedel]

hey there, frank-o,

perhaps you might just cut her a little slack, eh? it's been a rough go around here the past few days, and the internet is loaded up with so many chem-trail pictures these days; heck, i,ve got some neat ones myself, from just last week, where they seem to make a 5-point star patern, taken around dusk, near sandusky, oh.

stick around, and don't let it dampen your enthusiasm for the site- i've got issues too, but life goes on, man...

bob

[Gary T.]

hi, gary and thanks. i'll give it a go. i'd like to see something scientific on the subject not just the conspiracy stuff on the web. yes, please, you can send it to me.

thanks,
valarie

ps. i think my address shows, you can send it to that one.

hi valarie,

my apologies for taking so long to get back to you. i'm one of the people who don't find the site redesign intuitive at all and because i dislike the new layout - which seems to me to make navigation around it inordinately difficult - i don't spend as much time on this website as i used to!

basically i'm stymied in getting this html file that i have to you because in order to send it to you using the reply box i would need to append said file as an attachment and at the moment no matter how many times i click on the manage attachments button all i'm getting is an error message - this might be something for the moderator/s to look into (also, it doesn't mention html files as being an acceptable attachment type! - why? - again, maybe a moderator should look into this) - and when i go to my private e-mail client (i use thunderbird 2.0.0.4) with the idea that i can attach the file readily enough from there, i'm up against catch 22 in the shape of i don't have a private e-mail address for you and i suspect that if i copied and pasted
your handle from one of your postings it wouldn't work outside of divine cosmos's reply boxes!

the above also applies to the other individuals who also requested that i send them the file i've got. if you want to get it you're going to have to give me a usable e-mail address (and no, i'm not some %*!<|! spammer trying to garner a few cheap e-mail addresses!) if you like you can briefly acquire a disposable one (or two) and let me know what it is so that i can send each of you the document without ever learning your real e-mail address.

don't you wish we lived in a less paranoid world?

regards to all,

gary t.

[leo scone]

no problem robert. i'm not going anywhere! i can get a bit wordy too, and perhaps i sound too critical on my way to more clarity. no offense or negative energy intended. just want to add any hope i can as to options we can each apply to combat the whole spectrum of chemtrail effects. "outside" assistance appears to be one such option and i'm good with that!

love and blessings bro!
now rockin' it too!

[theodorepong]

i have been hearing a lot about the chemtrails recently as well as other versions of how it is a deliberate attempt to harm the health of the public and trim excess population of those who don't have extraordinarily strong life force and immune systems. i don't know quite what to think, but i admit i do feel a lot of fear inside myself whenever i hear another version, maybe my own unconscious telling me there is something to it.

however it seems from what i have read that the orgone machines of wilhelm reich, particularly the big cloud busters are very effective at counteracting this. further good news if all this is true, is the orgone machines and the cloud busters are quite easy to make, and to use if you have access to even a small lake.

i think maybe i better build a good one myself and start using it here where i live on one of the nearby lakes.

[note from moderator: theodore has a book on orgone you might like to read about-please email him for the book and url]

[Robert Riedel]

dear frank-o and theodore-

great thoughts, guys! history teaches that all problems have a solution, if enough people want it bad enough. in the 2nd post on this thread, i was refering to not only pictures on the internet, but to actual sightings in and around the toledo metropolitan area, where it seems that there are literally clear spots in the sky, where no chemtrails can endure, for long. i have no idea who might be doing what, but i've read the same books, and visited the same web-sites, and have wished to begin construction of my own devices- boy, the price of copper pipe sure has gone up, lately, eh?

bob

let's rock this world!!!

[leo scone]

while straying almost off topic, it is my understanding that some of the smaller orgone generating "devices" are as well helpful with the supposed dor (deadly orgone radiation) emitted by cell-phone towers. i say it is almost off topic because chemtrails, cell-towers, and haarp may all be used together to muck up our vibrational continuum.

i do know a couple of people here in the rogue valley who have chem-busters on their properties and they feel it makes a significant difference.

love, blessings, and abundance -

frank-o

[pyramidnj]

hi everybody: i would appreciate getting some feedback on the intensity or frequency of chemtrail dissemination in your areas. is it increasing or decreasing over the next week or so? thanks for your anticipated input!

in the light,
jo anne

[leo scone]

hi jo anne, this is frank-o in talent, or.

most of the time it seems they are spraying over the rogue valley 3-4 days a week, but that is a rough average. as for recently here, they haven't been spraying for the last ten days or so, and only just resumed activity today, though mostly just to the east of me (the trails drift from west to east, so trails just to the east means clear skies for me!) as opposed to the east and west of me as has usually been their pattern. of course back on the 12th i had some very interesting experiences (check my posts on this thread) and even today while they were active near us, the sky was blue, blue, blue above us with the exception of three trails which blew by quickly. so, it's been almost two weeks now that they haven't sprayed, or have had what seemed limited and curtailed activity.

[pyramidnj]

thanks frank for your feedback. more feedback from all over the place coming from others of our family here is welcomed. suffice it to say, it will be helpful....;)

much love to all!
jo anne

[fiz]

here in seattle the chemtrails continue daily, numbering in the dozens at least. i continue to zap them with a gaze intending their dissolution, which appears to work fairly well, though not always.

i'm also noticing strange, unnatural-looking wave-like patterns showing up in the sky, usually after the chemspew is laid down. i wonder to myself if the wave-patterns are a result of haarp activity working towards some publicly-undisclosed end.

happily, i'm also seeing a lot of sylph's actively breaking up the chem-crud into feathery/angelic signatures of themesleves. anyone else notice this phenomena occuring?

re: sylph's, wikipedia offers this quick definition:

"sylph is a mythological creature in the western tradition. the term originates in paracelsus, who describes sylphs as invisible beings of the air, his
elementals of air."


peace....

fiz

[LightEye]

dear friends,

believe what you will, but this can't be good.

be well, be love.

david

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okb-489l6mi

shreveport, la
chemtrails: is u.s. gov't. secretly testing americans 'again'?

posted: nov 9, 2007 07:46 pm est

could a strange substance found by an ark-la-tex man be part of secret government testing program? that's the question at the heart of a phenomenon called "chemtrails." in a ksla news 12 investigation, reporter jeff ferrell shows us the results of testing we had done about what's in our skies.
story by jeff ferrell

http://www.ksla.com/

left side, sixth video down, watch it before they take it down...

also see, http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/ent...

finally, public law 95-79 [p.l. 95-79] title 50, chapter 32, section 1520 "chemical and biological warfare program" "the use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the u.s. department of defense, accounting to congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." "the secretary of defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the united states]." -source- public law 95-79, title viii, sec. 808, july 30, 1977, 91 stat. 334. in u.s. statutes-at-large, vol. 91, page 334, you will find public law 95-79. public law 97-375, title ii, sec. 203(a)(1), dec. 21, 1982, 96 stat. 1882. in u.s. statutes-at-large, vol. 96, page 1882, you will find public law 97-375.

also this;

http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs2.htm

morgellons:
morphology confirmed
clifford e carnicom
nov 15 2006

a second subject has presented samples and symptoms of the morgellons condition to me for observation. the results of this work completely and absolutely confirm the internal morphology of at least one form of the fibers that are commonly associated with it. there are important additional discoveries that establish the urgency of discovering the true nature of this condition. the progress to date remains totally unsatisfactory as this condition represents a public health hazard that has been deliberately unaddressed and undisclosed. the quest for the nature of this condition does not belong in the hands of any single individual, citizen, advocate or health professional; the consequences are far too widespread for that limitation. this is a public issue and must ultimately be addressed as such. the condition may be much more widespread than is commonly understood and there is evidence accumulating to that end. gratitude is extended to those that have presented numerous important research advances on morgellons, particularly the laboratory analyses from dr. hildegard staninger. there are other deserving contributors to the current state of knowledge. unfortunately, the implications of this condition require a more broad-based public and professional medical involvement. it is a fact that government institutions and agencies that are chartered to serve the public interest continue to fail us at a tragic level; the public will eventually be required to take ownership of issues such as this to reach the solutions that are required.

and this;

morgellons nanomachines invasion from chemtrails part i
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/2060/morgellons_nanomachines_invasion_from_chemtrails_1/?vpkey=

dr. hildegarde staniger ph.d industrial toxicologist/ih and doctor of integrative medicine imagine your body pocked by erupting sores, the sensation of little bugs crawling just below the surface of your flesh, and worst of all, mysterious, hideous looking fibers sprouting from your skin. it may sound like a scene from a science fiction movie, but a growing legion of americans, sixty thousand of them, now suffer from this condition. join us as dr. hildegarde staninger fills us in on the terrible affliction known as morgellons". learn how what appear to be nanorobotic "assemblers" replicate from the inside out, from the digestive system to the skin, and how the composition of chemtrail fibers matches that of some of the fibers found on morgellons sufferers. are these nanorobots in our food? can we protect ourselves from them?

morgellons nanomachines invasion from chemtrails 2
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/2061/morgellons_nanomachines_invasion_from_chemtrails_2/?vpkey=

a communicable nanotechnology invasion of human tissues in the form of self-assembling, self-replicating nanotubes, nanowires, nanoarrays with sensors, and other nano configurations, some carrying genetically-altered and spliced dna/rna. these nano machines thrive in extreme alkaline ph conditions and use the body's bio-electric energy and other (unidentified) elements for power. (people should *not* strive for an acidic ph - they should work for a normal ph of 7.5 ). there is some evidence these tiny machines possess their own internal batteries. they are also believed to be able to receive specific tuned microwave, emf and elf signals and information. to what end is not known. the symptoms vary from open skin lesions from which colored or plain fibers emerge, which do not scab normally, heal extremely slowly and never become bacterially-infected -- to brain fog, fatigue and depression, etc. it is also established that morgellons nano machines are commonly found in all body fluids, orifices and often even hair follicles, and are believed to routinely achieve total body systemic penetration. it is reported by nearly all afflicted that morgellons nano machines seem to have some kind of hive or 'group intelligence.' communicability appears to be possible/probable through shedding of the fibers by the infected and through all normal bacterial or viral vectors. some fibers have been shown to withstand temperatures in excess of 1400 f, routine sterilization for morgellons nano machines in all reusable medical/dental medical equipment and instruments is moot.

morgellons nanomachines invasion from chemtrails 3
http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/2062/morgellons_nanomachines_invasion_from_chemtrails_3/?vpkey=

[Jasper]

i had been aware of chemtrails and morgellons for some time. a number of months ago a bbc website report highlighted aerosol tests of e.coli over urban areas of southern england in the 1960's.

fired with this unexpected 'lamestream' media report i contacted my local mp and instructed her to inquire further.

in due course i received a letter from miltary of defence which detailed these tests. it was more than i could have hoped for. they highlighted not only 4 biological agents tested on the un-suspecting population, but also that their test results would be ascertained from gp's records alone. oh, and the three extra 'chems' would not be named, and were under us control !!

inhalation of toxic substances can take years to show up. asbestos is a good example.

in the last couple of weeks the bbc news reported a marked increase in lung disease in older people across britain.

coincidence..................i don't think so.

about the time i got interested in chemtrails there was a report in the daily telegraph about vital services being advised to order new protective masks from a company called avon protection (there is a us subsiduary). these cost less than £100.

i tried to order one, but was told by the company that they were only available to essential services. undeterred, and working as a contractor for an 'essential' service, i got a mask.

thankyou god for making good bs an art !!!

[AmelieJolie]

it's all so much information to take in. so much is happening in the world. i feel like my head might explode from confusion.

i want to be aware of things that are happening but there's so much to take in.

innocence and beauty are what feel the most beautiful to me.

[Art]

it's all so much information to take in. so much is happening in the world. i feel like my head might explode from confusion.

i want to be aware of things that are happening but there's so much to take in.

innocence and beauty are what feel the most beautiful to me.

exactly - you took the words right out of my mouth. these last few weeks have been overwhelming with the amount of "input" so to speak... i haven't had the chance to keep up. i must admit, my focus has shifted towards more internal and "local". as another layer is peeled back, there are deeper issues to confront...

for information of this nature, the truth, how ugly it may be, must come out... the veils are being lifted and the people may react poorly. i know i'm pretty disappointed, and my initial, 3d reaction is of a negative nature... but, on a broader level of thinking, should we not be focusing on love? i mean, ok, if this is happening and is scientifically documented, aside from just stopping it, how are we going to treat those who are already ill? understanding it is half the battle. i'll admit, my knowledge on this subject is limited...

after all is said and done, its how we'll react during these times that defines how well we've done... continuing to believe, to love. its hard to maintain focus during these times of inner and outer catalyst, distractions; but growth is painful, if we let it be, or beautiful if we choose that perspective...

or at least thats what i keep telling myself... :o

[eyez4096]

dare i connect a few dots?

even writing from my peace corps post in ghana, i dare. all the more so!

iff (read: if and only if) morgellons is real and iff it is the result of nano-technology and iff it is an invasive infection...

then the connections to the so called "plans" to "reduce the population size" becomes eerily obvious. let me elaborate. the sources make it sound like the morgellons disease is a malfunction of a normally inoccuous condition. so, if they were designed, it leads me to suspect they were intended to be undetected. in which case, obviously, it is impossible to correctly assess the breadth of any infection.

lets also assume that they were designed to respond to some outside (emf?) stimulous, as sources again suggest. it takes a small leap of curiosity to suspect they were designed to be able to be activated and deactivated -- and possibly irradicated. what better way to fulfill the conspiracy theory of population reduction than to infect the whole population with a "disease" which can be controlled to strike all at once and only those you target...?

but... this is all unfounded speculation and i have absolutely no first or second-hand evidence to back up this curious line of reasoning. enjoy and take with plenty of salt!

-charles

[dariusdjc]

i have been living in arkansas for a while now (8 years). the spraying used to be real bad. you would wake up in the early morning to see a white spiderweb in the skies. i have noticed starting this past summer they have almost stopped it, at least in the little rock area or maybe changed methods. i constantly look up in the skies daily and i rarely see them anymore.

[WeR1]

all of this is rather chilling - here's something that will help:) upon which to focus (site picked randomly from google search on tgi)
i first saw it in a book read years ago.


http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~newlight/great_invocation.htm (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/%7enewlight/great_invocation.htm)


1. the great invocation

from the point of light within the mind of god
let light stream forth into the minds of men
let light descend on earth.

from the point of love within the heart of god
let love stream forth into the hearts of men
may christ return to earth.

from the centre where the will of god is known
let purpose guide the little wills of men
the purpose which the masters know and serve.

from the centre which we call the race of men
let the plan of love and light work out
and may it seal the door where evil dwells.

let light and love and power restore the plan on earth.





the great invocation is a world prayer, translated into 75 languages and dialects. it is an instrument of power to aid the plan of god find full expression on earth. to use it is an act of service to humanity and the coming one. ...
....by means of invocation, prayer and meditation divine energies can
be released and brought into activity. men and women of goodwill of many faiths and nations can join together in world service, bringing spiritual value and strength to a troubled world. men have the power, through focussed, united invocation to affect world events. knowledge of this fact, scientifically applied, can be one of the great liberating factors within humanity. no one can use this invocation or prayer for illumination and for love without causing powerful changes in his own attitudes and life intention. " as a man thinketh in his heart, so is he."




[moderator note: this is from the alice bailey writings]

[WeR1]

chris - this is an addendum - perhaps a better link than one provided in previous post.
there are pages and pages on google
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=22504200

[LightEye]

dear friends,

don't look now, but...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/hl0712/s00060.htm

be well, be love.

david

pentagon poised to resume open air weapons testing
tuesday, 4 december 2007, 10:51 am
column: sherwood ross

pentagon appears poised to resume open-air testing of biological weapons but says it has received no presidential directive to break moratorium
by sherwood ross

the pentagon has denied president bush issued a directive for it to resume open-air testing of chemical and biological warfare(cbw) agents that were halted by president richard nixon in 1969. yet, the pentagon's stated preparations make it appear it is poised to do just that.

spokesperson chris isleib did not respond to a request for comment on a passage from the defense department's annual report sent to congress last april that suggests the pentagon is gearing up to resume the tests.

resumption of open-air testing would reverse a long-standing moratorium adopted after a public outcry against them following accidents in the sixties.

the pentagon's annual report apparently calls for both the developmental and operational "field testing of (cbw) full systems," not just simulations.

the pentagon's report to congress contains the following passage: "more than thirty years have passed since outdoor live-agent chemical tests were banned in the united states, and the last outdoor test with live chemical agent was performed, so much of the infrastructure for the field testing of chemical detectors no longer exists or is seriously outdated. the currently budgeted improvements in the t&e infrastructure will greatly enhance both the developmental and operational field testing of full systems, with better simulated representation of threats and characterization of system response." "t&e" is an acronym for testing and evaluation.

"either the military has resumed open-air testing already or they are preparing to do so," said francis boyle, a university of illinois professor of international law who authored the implementing legislation for the u.s. biological weapons convention signed into law by president george bush sr. and who has tracked subsequent developments closely.

[Verm]

it's been very heavy in austin texas and rhode island as of lately. two areas i have been in the past month.

[dariusdjc]

yeah looks like they have been back at it again lately over here as well (ar). more on cloudy days than on clear days. i can tell on cloudy days when you get to peek through the clouds that they have field days up there. they seem to be doing this at night as well.

[Art]

here in the mountains of western nc, it can be difficult to tell how much of this is happening. but, i was shocked this morning when i could clearly see a long trail in the pre-dawn sky.

[donald@newdirectionscs.com]

i have noticed everyday for past two weeks, where it was random before, starting early in the moring and going to late afternoon, it is bad enough with the drought and not enough water, now this. donald

[Liam]

the chemtrail spraying is often bad where i live in the north west of england. it's very rare to see a completely clear sky in the manchester area. even when they forecast days to be clear with high pressure right on top of us there are virtually always chemtrails which ruin the sky. i don't know whether they feel they can get away with it more easily in particular areas because of the number of international airports around. i know as my home is on a flight path a lot of people just put the trails down to regular air traffic. on the days where we are spared i find a completely clear blue sky very noticeable indeed.

[Mozart]

...is world-wide, without exception.


i constantly find the chemtrail lines on the real-time sat weather images and there's not a place on the globe that does not have those damn sky lines crossing over. on rare days, the skies are clear locally, otherwise, the damn lines are there somewhere on the globe every single day, as if our earth is drowning in lines of coke.


i thought that project raindancer (the chemtrail program) was dead, but that is not evident, based on what we see in our skies.


come on, chinese secret society...what on earth are you waiting for? make your move! burisch's dec 15th cut-off date with his latest project looking glass (one which, as i understand it, has him looking into the future to determine when the chinese secret society would make their ass*ss*nation move). maybe the chinese are waiting until after the burisch project ends, then they'd make their move--a smart move, i would think.


a well-known psychic has predicted a ron paul victory in 2008, as well as many major, beneficial changes that would help all of humanity in 2008, so let's hope that this would be so.


given that the illoonynaughties have stashed away a "rainy day" fund of sixty five trillion dollars, it is well within their means to single-handedly rescue the american economy--and the rest of the world--for every year up to 2012. easily.


it's a matter of persuading the illoonynaughties to do so.

.

[Papa T]

hi mozart
----------------------------------------------------------------------
come on, chinese secret society...what on earth are you waiting for? make your move! burisch's dec 15th cut-off date with his latest project looking glass (one which, as i understand it, has him looking into the future to determine when the chinese secret society would make their ass*ss*nation move). maybe the chinese are waiting until after the burisch project ends, then they'd make their move--a smart move, i would think.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

how do you come to the conclusion that dr dan's latest assignment is looking into the future for an ass*ss*nation?

i was under the impression (speculation) that the latest assignment had to do with watching for stargate technology. during his absent much was posted about solar activity.

i guess we will never know what his assignment was since dr marcia has said it will never be made public.

i did watch the benjamin fullford vid posted by an edo member that talked about an ass*ss*nation.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6224272538476202634&q=benjamin+fulford&total=26&start=0&num=20&s
the comment is made at about 37:42 into the video.

dr dan just had some king of minor procedures done so lets all light a candle for a speedy recovery.

peace to all
papa t

[LightEye]

dear friends,

re-member all is well...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7561

be well, be love.

david

weather warfare: beware the us military’s experiments with climatic warfare
‘climatic warfare’ has been excluded from the agenda on climate change.
by prof. michel chossudovsky
global research, december 7, 2007
the ecologist, december 2007

"haarp is a weapon of mass destruction, capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems globally."

"‘climatic warfare’ potentially threatens the future of humanity, but has casually been excluded from the reports for which the ipcc received the 2007 nobel peace prize."

selected excerpts of article

read complete article on weather warfare by michel chossudovsky, the ecologist, december 2007 (pdf)

rarely acknowledged in the debate on global climate change, the world’s weather can now be modified as part of a new generation of sophisticated electromagnetic weapons. both the us and russia have developed capabilities to manipulate the climate for military use.


environmental modification techniques have been applied by the us military for more than half a century. us mathematician john von neumann, in liaison with the us department of defense, started his research on weather modification in the late 1940s at the height of the cold war and foresaw ‘forms of climatic warfare as yet unimagined’. during the vietnam war, cloud-seeding techniques were used, starting in 1967 under project popeye, the objective of which was to prolong the monsoon season and block enemy supply routes along the ho chi minh trail.

the us military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. the technology, which is being perfected under the high-frequency active auroral research program (haarp), is an appendage of the strategic defense initiative – ‘star wars’. from a military standpoint, haarp is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems around the world.

while the substance of the 1977 convention was reasserted in the un framework convention on climate change (unfccc) signed at the 1992 earth summit in rio, debate on weather modification for military use has become a scientific taboo.

military analysts are mute on the subject. meteorologists are not investigating the matter and environmentalists are focused on greenhouse gas emissions under the kyoto protocol. neither is the possibility of climatic or environmental manipulations as part of a military and intelligence agenda, while tacitly acknowledged, part of the broader debate on climate change under un auspices.the us air force points to the unthinkable: the covert manipulation of weather patterns, communications and electric power systems as a weapon of global warfare, enabling the us to disrupt and dominate entire regions.

[Verm]

i would like to resurrect this post, so hopefully someone won't bash me for it. something that came to me today while i was out walking my dog. these past two days, 18th / 19th the sun is passing the galactic center, bombarding us with heavy light ( photons ). and for the most part they have been spraying alot where i am located in austin, texas. now i am going off of what i watched of dw on the camelot project. david mentioned, that when you pass a laser or a light through one embryo and bounce it off to another, that other embryo takes that dna. do you think that is what perhaps some of this could be? perhaps with the sun beaming its light through these chemtrails, it's actually passing those structures to humans. just an idea though! i am also using my cloudbusters to remove as many as i can which helps alot, but today specifically, there is so much spray going on its creating cloud cover when it was supposed to be a completely clear day.

[Spiral of Light]

just found this thread (thanks, verm) for the first time, and would like to add that the area around nashville, tn, was heavily marked with chemtrails while i was there. i took pictures of them because they were so obvious and disturbing to me. can not help wondering, why doesn't the general public notice them? ...or care????

i moved to sydney, australia, in october and have not seen one since.:)

[weboy78]

and about ascension ?
it's possible that chemtrails have to do with ascension ? to stop the evolution of the dna ?

[STOguy]

i was thinking the same thing weboy, i would suggest people look at the chemtrails section at www.educate-yourself.org where they have dozens of articles on the subject. they suggest the use of something called [email for name] that i think were invented by suppressed scientist wilhelm reich. i haven't tried buying/building one myself yet but after going on a walk (i live in los angeles by lax) and seeing like three of these things over my house i'm gonna get on that pronto. anyone using [item name] please post [send pm please to stoguy] and tell us if they work, i will do the same. the educate-yourself.org guys are making the point that the chemtrails are being used to suppress our natural evolution so this is especially prevelant for these forums.

much love,
david

*edit* after investigating further, i find it necessary to add that the product that i was referring to above that's being censored has more far reaching effects than just getting rid of chemtrails (apparently it has the ability to manipulate weather), and it's necessary to do the necessary research into it's full effects before setting one up and just leaving it unattended.

[Verm]

i was thinking the same thing weboy, i would suggest people look at the chemtrails section at www.educate-yourself.org where they have dozens of articles on the subject. they suggest the use of something called [email for name] that i think were invented by suppressed scientist wilhelm reich. i haven't tried buying/building one myself yet but after going on a walk (i live in los angeles by lax) and seeing like three of these things over my house i'm gonna get on that pronto. anyone using [item name] please post [send pm please to stoguy] and tell us if they work, i will do the same. the educate-yourself.org guys are making the point that the chemtrails are being used to suppress our natural evolution so this is especially prevelant for these forums.

much love,
david

*edit* after investigating further, i find it necessary to add that the product that i was referring to above that's being censored has more far reaching effects than just getting rid of chemtrails (apparently it has the ability to manipulate weather), and it's necessary to do the necessary research into it's full effects before setting one up and just leaving it unattended.

i second what he saying, these devices do work and i have atleast 30 different types and they are indeed quite powerful folks. i urge you to look into them.

[vjvousden]

in arizona, today is the first day i haven't seen them actively spraying since christmas day. i don't know if the rain has anything to do with it. high-altitude spraying is an everyday occurrance here. and thick, not just a tic-tac-toe board in the sky, i'm talking about complete coverage. 5 or more plain white tanker jets going in all directions at the same time then turning around and doing it again.

what blew my mind is when we went to wales in late summer/fall. they are doing it there just as heavily, even in the mostly sheep-populated hills. :confused: as well as around cardiff (the major city). so, despite my original thinking, it isn't just a b*sh administration thing. and i had to grimace when we watched a french film (fairly recent one) and there was a scene on the beach in the south of france and chemtrails were very obvious in the skies. weird stuff, very hard to ignore or feel very loving about. but i try. it's somewhere inside me, i know it! in the meantime, i watch my and my families health very closely!

i'm so grateful for the sanity and like-minds i find here.
love, easy breathing and peace to all,
valarie

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.jonesreport.com/article/01_08/080108_chemtrails.html

be well, be love.

david

newscast's chemtrail investigation reveals dangerous aerosolized compounds

lab results and radar displays fit with declassified accounts of bio-chemical military testing and covert spraying of civilian populations
aaron dykes / jonesreport.com | january 8, 2008

local news station ksla in shreveport, louisiana investigated a strange substance found by a man from the arkansas-lousiana-texas border, which the man collected on the ground from a chemtrail overhead. he noticed the crisscrossed cloud-like lines in the sky as well as the unusual residue it left behind on vehicles after descending in a "haze."

ksla's jeff ferrell noted that these chemtrails "do not fade away like a normal contrail."

ksla ran the substances through a lab and found high levels of barium (6.8 ppm) and lead (8.2 ppm) as well as trace amounts of other chemicals including arsenic, chromium, cadmium, selenium and silver. of these, all but one are metals, some are toxic while several are rarely or never found in nature.

[cricket]

ive been watching the skies here in virginia over the past year and it seems the sky is loaded with chemtrails at least once a week. this morning it was just full of criss-crosses.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.disclose.tv/viewvideo/2676/what_are_the_spraying__/

be well, be love.

david

cool video taken by a lady show some kinda ufo or plane spraying all over the sky...

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7955101584752093152&q=aerosol&total=2642&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

be well, be love.

david

[LightEye]

dear friends,

nice from will thomas.

be well, be love.

david

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 1:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okx_3vmjz4e

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 2:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oppipvynl64

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 3:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9u_y7p86bo

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 4:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7u7gswtp4w

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 5:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mepaf4qop-4

chem trails: what is happening to our skies? 6:6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axw8l2fafem

[vithar]

they're over massachusetts as well. i'm out on the cape and have seen them out over the water, drifting further out.
i've been watching them since 1998. since that time, i can recall about three folks (here) who've had a clue. the rest were and are scoffers. at least on the outside.
and it still seems to be an internet thing.

they say planes from different countries spray each other. ie., not their own country.

they were saying the same back in '98 as far as squelching consciousness evolution.

any demonstrations? maybe they got sprayed...

but here's a good one for that far side comic; a bunch of born agains praising god under a sky of jets spraying chemtrails.

10 years and they're still doing it. tho i hear china and another country are not getting sprayed.

but how does this tie into a supposed catastrophy in 2012?

another thing i've been wondering about is haarp. in the context of robert monroe's model of expanding spheres or bands around earth. how might this effect those bands? this is assuming they've got the black op tech for multidimensionalism.

did ra say anything about this?

[inside-up]

my suggestion (when possible) is to stay inside and close all windows when there is fog, mist, or precipitation falling. fog or mist could be a signal that a chemtrail is reaching ground level in your area. precipitation will carry down any chemtrail residue that is between the cloud layer and ground level.

i have noticed many times getting various cold or flu-like symptoms (sneezing, coughing, irritated throat, etc.) in the above type of condititions that i don't get in clear condititions. i have experienced this even with just the window open, and it stops soon after i close the window.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

nice chronological listing from will...

http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/chemtrails_timeline_1.html

be well, be love.

david

[weboy78]

have you read this ?

for years, no military program has sparked more fevered speculation from conspiracy theorists than the mysterious high frequency active auroral research program, or haarp. and for years, the pentagon has been pooh-poohing speculation that the enormous collection of transmitters, radars, and magnetometers in alaska was some sort of superweapon.

but, it turns out, the conspiracy theorists may not have been entirely off-base, after all.

a drive by clifford stone on the x-files-esque uber-site above top secret to use the freedom of information act to turn up ufo-related documents has led to the release of a fascinating report, haarp: research and applications. it's from the air force research laboratory and office of naval research, and it lays out the uses the military see for haarp. turns out the pentagon wants some military bang for their buck from the program.
http://searchlight.anomalyresponse.org/2007/12/new-document-reveals-military-mysterys.html

[Liam]

interesting i was flying to denmark last friday and while at cruising altitude (not sure what height exactly, maybe 35,000 feet) and i couldn't help but notice a rather large plane flying towards us, leaving a very noticeable trail of black smoke in its wake. it seemed to be a rather large plane but the colour of the trail it was leaving was very strange. even my friend who was sitting next to me and has no knowledge of the chemtrail phenomena noticed it and remarked to me that it seemed very odd. the plane flew very close to us as it passed over, in fact it had to be less than 1000 feet. it certainly made me feel rather uneasy, i don't think this was a regular passenger plane.

[Muse]

dear david and friends,

i don't know if you have addressed this issue, but would like to hear from you guys what you feel is going on, or will go on with the spraying. it was so heavy here sunday that i could feel the burn in my throat.

if it has already been addressed, could you point me to the post. thanks.

muse

[we are moving this to the chemtrail thread in general discussions. however, muse can also use our "search" function at the top of the page and find all the chemtrail subjects or any other subject that is of interest]

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.carnicom.com/morgobs6.htm

be well, be love.

david

morgellons: pathogens & the general population
clifford e carnicom
feb 13 2008
second edit mar 02 2008

this page is in progress.

i have no medical expertise and i claim none. i am not offering any medical advice or diagnosis with the presentation of this information. i am acting solely as an independent researcher providing the results of extended observation and analysis of unusual biological conditions that are evident.

there is increasing evidence that the general population may be affected by at least four pathogenic forms. any perception that only a small segment of the population is affected by the so-called morgellons condition may be quite false. certain pathogenic forms are repeatedly showing up in a majority of human biological samples that have been observed, regardless of whether or not visible skin anomalies appear. the use of unusual skin conditions as a defining criteria of the existence of the "morgellons condition" appears to be completely inadequate and it does not appear to encompass the severity, extent and distribution of the pathogenic forms.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

if this was happening to you how would you feel?

http://s267.photobucket.com/albums/ii286/ivanhole/?action=view&current=fuzznoirfin.flv

be well, be love.

david

several months ago, i was having problems with 'stuff' in my hair so i shaved my head. this video was prepared two days after i shaved. i did not know there was this much 'stuff ' on me. i had viewed myself under black-light lighting and my hair looked like a jungle. under normal lighting, day or night, i look fine. under black lighting, i look like i am covered with a sort of fiber or lint. i have watched this stuff form in a controlled environment to rule out everyday normal contact my skin might ordiarily have. in the video, you can see it on my scalp growing in stages, from bright tips budding from where a follicle should be, to longer strands and shapes eventually connecting. this was prepared after showering. i 'air dried' so that my skin would not come in contact with any towels, clothing, fabric, etc. i tried to see a dermatologist for this and other skin related ailments. i tried to show him my skin under the black light, but he took a glance and immediately shrugged his shoulders saying, "what's the matter? you have a little lint on you." i tried to show him that it was coming from me but he would not look. when i told him i have witnessed it and scratched from beneath my skin, he said i was having delusions and hallucinating. he recommended some pyschotic drug or some such stuff to calm me down. well i wasn't excited until this dip**** refused to look at what i was showing him. he said that everyone had this covering on them. well i don't know about you guys, but from the times i remembered being under a fluorescent light in the past, i do not remember being covered with a invisible fiber coat. so, i said to him, "ok, fine. can we look at your skin? like, your arm, under the black light to show me that's true" ? he refused, saying it would not do me any good. further saying, in fact, if he did look it would make my mental condition worse. ? at the time, i did not know i had a mental condition. although his ignorance and smug attitude was starting to drive me crazy :) he said all of this without once examining my scalp or any portion of my skin in general. what if i had had some nasty skin infection or contagious fungus. how could anyone make such a quick determination and diagnosis by casual observation during conversation? he didn't touch or look at my skin with magnification or even just with the naked eye close up. had he done so, he would have found more than whats in the video. i have some sort of fibers under and on my skin. i produce pea-size like tennis balls of fiber all tightly wrapped. they will cling to hair shafts. i think they grow with some hair shafts and follicles. they range in size from microscopic to 3 to 4 inch bundles to date. i have wormy little wires that are on me at all times. they connect hairs under and above skin level. many times they look like they are supposed to be shaped like a bug. i have these and other symptoms common with the condition referred to as morgellons. does anyone else have this on their skin routinely, at anytime, day or night? i am constantly emitting this and it just is not right.

[Muse]

speaking of the bug like looking things on the guy who shaved his head, have you seen the movie bug? it is really rather good. there are people who are driven crazy with the notion that there are bugs in their head and underneath their skin, some of which is stimulated by [drug reference deleted] from what i hear. so perhaps that is what is up with this fellow. but nothing surprises me anymore. i just listened to david's latest interview with the camelot project people. don't know if it is listed here, so if permitted here it is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1563744312953763437

here is a great chemtrail video that i am sharing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cdiu7osn-a

[vjvousden]

this morning i was letting my cats out and looked up at the sky. another day without the criss-cross spew in the sky! blue skies all around. we've had this for 3 days now. but then i saw a plane high up with it's contrail, then another, going the opposite way and then another just next to it. ok, that's weird. i got my binoculars and took a closer look. guess what...white unmarked jets moving at quite a speed and what looked like normal water vapor evaporating a couple of miles behind the jet on closer inspection was still something being sprayed but it goes kind of transparent but is still there. maybe minus the heavy metals now...moved on to purely biological, perhaps? they've definitely changed the formula. rats, and i thought maybe the ninja threat on the ills had finally ended it. not.

i can tell you we are affected by it, despite all my efforts to stay indoors as much as possible, eat healthy fresh food and take vitamin and herbal supplements. we have all had coughs and sinus pain for months and my daughter has had a fever every month since christmas. it lasts a few days goes away, she feels crappy, stuffed up coughing. seems to get better then it comes back again. the dr. says it's just the normal stuff going around in the schools this time of year but i'm skeptical. we've all been so sick this year.

should we go to wearing hats outdoors and respiratory masks all the time???

just thought i ought to pass this on. i'm still hoping for an end to this soon.
blessings all,
valarie

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.heatherwokusch.com/index.php?name=news&file=article&sid=137

be well, be love.

david

breaking the nuremberg code: the us military’s human-testing program returns

the pentagon is slated to release a suspected toxicant in crystal city, virginia this week, ostensibly to test air sensors.

the operation is just the latest example of the defense department’s long history of using service members and civilians as human test subjects, often without their consent or awareness.

[Muse]

greeting all...

i have been asking questions about the spraying, and have heard back from two well known scientists -- and another scientist also seems to agree with them from what i read on his site (link below my lead in paragraph).

one thing that puzzles me though, is that the "deep shield" person who answered the questions, committed suicide. that gives me thought to ponder. did he lie and kill himself because he couldn't live with the deceit, or did he give away info he was not supposed to, and was murdered for it?

http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/050803.htm

basically the three of them feel that the spraying is because of the "ozone" problem.

one had this to say: "i wrote a report about when upper air nuclear testing was being done, that the ozone hole was created by the nuclear testing and not by freon, and cited that the amount of noxious green house gases liberated by one volcano going off was more than all the freon cans releasing their propellants at once...

so back to the chemtrails - if that is just a diversion to keep people from realizing the destruction actually happened in the 50's with upper air nuclear testing, and that stuff still remaining up there, it would just seem to me somebody's pr campaign has been working overtime trying to keep that covered up."

another wrote: "what we have recently confirmed is going on goes under the name project white umbrella at least according to one source. the tankers are spraying a highly reflective mist/aerosol to reflect sunlight back into space to counteract the "greenhouse" effect.

this is why there has been such a harsh winter worldwide. part of the cover is that the sun is undergoing a morphological change that is leading to cooling but that is just more disinformation. the aerosols being sprayed now throughout the northern hemisphere contain nucleating ionic particulate that lead to precipitous cloud building and unprecedented snowfall, etc.

this highly dangerous project is now fully international. i am not certain it has anything at all to do with things like "morgelins" but i am certain there is this desperate effort going on to reverse the greenhouse effect."

this may be what we are at some point going to be told if enough of us keep asking questions, but i am more apt to believe that what is really going on will stay under the cover of the ozone cover. i am more inclined to believe that haarp has something to do with the chemtrails. only because of the testing that has gone on without our knowing by the gov's military.

[Muse]

the theories continue. i would not put it past them, big pharma. this was written several years ago, and upper respiratory and lung cancer is still on the rise. i have written to the epa and political leaders with no responses. the only people so far who have respond to my questions have been scientists.

http://sonomachemtrails.blogspot.com/2008/03/big-pharm-gov-scam.html

"a meeting has taken place recently between an investigative researcher and a well placed military source. the identity of both parties is to be protected. the source has intimate knowledge of at least one aspect of the aerosol operations, and asserts the following:

1. the operation is a joint project between the pentagon and the pharmaceutical industry.

2. the pentagon wishes to test biological diseases for war purposes on unsuspecting populations. it was stated that sars is a failure as the expected rate of mortality was intended to be 80%.

3. the pharmaceutical industry is making trillions on medications designed to treat both fatal and non-fatal diseases given to populations.

4. the bacteria and viruses are freeze-dried and then placed on fine filaments for release.

5. the metals released along with the diseases heat up from the sun, creating a perfect environment for the bacteria and viruses to thrive in the air supply.

6. most countries being sprayed are unaware of the activities and they have not consented to the activities. he states that commercial aircraft flying are one of the delivery systems.

7. most of the "players" are old friends and business partners of the senior bush.

8. the ultimate goal is the control of all populations through directed and accurate spraying of drugs, diseases, etc.

9. people who have tried to reveal the truth have been imprisoned and killed.

10. this is the most dangerous and dark time that i have experienced in all of my years of serving this country.

this information is relayed without qualification, as i am knowledgeable in the level of integrity of the researcher that has made this information available to the public. there is both risk and restraint that has been exercised in the preparation of this statement.

clifford e carnicom jul 26 2003

additional notes aug 17 2003:

the following personal and observations have been relayed to me by the investigative researcher referred to above:

i am the researcher that relayed information to carnicom and i can tell you that the meeting occurred as stated. i see that my meeting opened up some dialogue. i have to ask: why are so many intelligent people debating the "tail of the dog"? does it have fleas, long or short hair, or no tail at all. look at the dog. see the big picture here. do you question that people are dying in record numbers from the aerosol operations? it is a fact that an increase in particulate matter increases mortality.

a top respiratory doctor has just written a book about the "breathing crisis." on the today show, not in some secret meeting place, he tells us that respiratory disease has gone from eighth to fourth place as a leading cause of death, soon to be third, in only five years. the doctor says the increase in respiratory death is because of smoking. now that seems a little off, since many people have stopped smoking, and yet in five years dying from breathing is the major cause of death behind heart failure and cancer. it is also a fact that when oxygen is reduced, cardiac arrest goes up. he also advises "not to exercise outdoors". what does exercising outdoors have to do with smoking? any chance that breathing heavy metals could be the cause of not only increasing death from respiratory disease, but also contributes to cardiac arrest and cancer? go back to the dog. look at the bigger picture of what's going on with our health; stop debating the biological contents of an already deadly, efficient operation. incidentally, "culling" was never mentioned in my report.

give carnicom some credit for his integrity in presenting this material. i risked my safety and the safety of others to get this information. i wanted the information for myself; i didn't get it for carnicom or his site, but i did want to share it with others as a confirmation, not as a revelation, of what is going on. many of you saw this and i appreciate your intelligence and wisdom. my thanks, also, to those of you who have followed up with some good research.

posted aug 17 2003

[Muse]

here is an article that speaks to me as to what has been going on with the chemtrial issue. i have been looking into this for weeks now, because the spraying has been so stepped up recently. it almost feels like the last dose perhaps. can't be sure, but i can speculate. of all the theories, this one, unfortunately, seems to make the most sense as strange as it is. the reason being that there have been several whistle-blowers who have come forward with "inside" info about what the nwo and the power elite have been planning for some time. even a couple years ago if someone would have told me about this, i would have thought them daft.

chemtrails - predictions
http://www.rense.com/general69/chem.htm

[newborn]

hello all .

chemtrails, don’t get me started! i live in holland where i’m following the chemtrail phenomenon quite closely. for a while now i try to make at least some sense out of it but it isn’t getting me anywhere.
i took literally 100’s of photographs, keep records and share my findings with others. i even sent e-mails to the dutch meteorological services but all i encounter is deaf ears and bogus explanations as to why these trails could linger in our skies for such a long time.
even the average person on the streets as well as close friends do not seem to care or, at least, see something weird going on.
nevertheless i will keep it up though.

but i started reading the shift of the ages 2 weeks ago and something is crossing my mind lately. aside from morgellon’s, could the metals and salts therein have any effect on the increase of vibration of the consciousness units?
in other words could chemtrails (also) be a medium or “tool” to halt the increase of vibration necessary to ascend from 3rd to 4th density? to keep us trapped in 3d when we are supposed to go to the 4th?

secondly, could chemtrails be responsible for a “shutdown” of the global grid as well? does anyone here have any thoughts about it?

greetings
jan.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more from cliff...

http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid1.htm

be well, be love.

david

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more info.

chemtrails nanotech and morgellons disease
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3658/chemtrails_nanotech_and_morgellons_disease/

morgellons disease caused by chemtrail spraying?
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3657/

chemtrails on mainstream news
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/3656/chemtrails_on_mainstream_news/

be well, be love.

david

[lightwalker]

i got involved with a forum a few years ago that has since disbanded that was all about this. i learned how to build an orgone generator that i still have in my yard. used for "busting" chem trails.had some interesting phenomena occur during the time i was building it. because it was winter i made it in the cellar. stunk up the house something awful and needless to say my family had a 'hayday' teasing me about it...i have a very large family.

i even met with a bunch of these fellows in ny state. had a party.

the day i finished it and put it out on the terrace a large, all black, plane flew over and it was quite low and loud. talk about my heart pounding. i went flying back into the house both fearful and laughing. since i had been reading all the 'us against them' stuff on the forum, i didn't realize how much i had been caught up in the negative. so i did some "clearing" on myself made a firm decision not to play the game that way and shifted away from that into the idea that "they is us" instead. i have that large chembuster still in my yard, plus a bunch if little ones that they called "tb"s better known as 'tower busters".

i'd like to think/know that my little project from 6-7 years ago shifted the negative energy off all those trails. i don't look for them any more. they seem to spray just before it rains, however i just send a "clearing" and trust it is a done deal.

so my opinion/suggestion/judgement call is to know about them, don't worry about them...cuz that's the hook and focus on more positive exciting things in life.

i left all that behind when people still wanted to play the polarity games and get into the ego.

however.....if you still have the need to know.....
you can get a lot more info on all this at the educate yourself site. (google those words).

lightwalker

[Muse]

... there isn't really much we can do except not let "them" get the better of us, which lowers our immunity ... and "they" are counting on that. if we create our reality, we created the chemtrails. :d now, when i see them i pick them out of the sky, kiss them and ask them nicely to stay on the ground. i also see the spraying as a showering of good fortune ... fairy dust if you will.

this way i can go on about my business in peace, rather than irritated at "them" for what they are doing that i used to feel can't be good. it angered me to see people spraying our atmosphere. i was in shock that this could be allowed. that approach got the better of me.

i am now with you and feel the better for it. that vibe is much more healthy all around. i had to do the work, some eft, and other therapies to return home and feel good about it in my heart. it wasn't easy but now i have a much easier going vibe about the spraying.

[Michael Donovan]

newborn, you asked:
"aside from morgellon’s, could the metals and salts therein have any effect on the increase of vibration of the consciousness units?"
that crossed my mind also. believe consciousness effected by sun. chemtrials block that off. also other realities think some light metals heavy and visa versa. odd physics experiment in 1950s in handbook of chemistry and physics: sound travels much faster in some light gases than much heavier. i don't know answer, just saying same thing crossed my mind also. but it would be a decrease in consciousness, blocking.

what gets me is that this did not really start until around late eighties. always a contrail would last about 5 seconds, (made of ice). so ask old timers and they will swear they have always seen chemtrails all their life. now.... that is the power of television. if it was true that this was 'new' of course tv would tell us. lol lol.
michael

[newborn]

hi michael,
what you pointed out was my motivation to think so too. in the end it's always the sun that makes the changes throughout the solarsystem.

but i had other reasons also that lead me to this (personal) theory. whenever spraying occurs (or ct's drift over from other places) it seems to me that people have a rather short fuse and seem to be a bit of indifferent and even slightly apathic.
this also applied to myself until i realized ct's might have something to do with it. i can still obseve this with collegues regardless if they are aware of ct's or not.
more suprisingly, my pet iguana shows the same behaviour during and after spraying. that looks kinda odd to me.

on your "oldtimers" note: i did ask some older people about lingering trails. my experience is that at first they don't see anything out o the ordinary but after a while they too are raising some questionmarks as well.
i even went through some old family photographs with my parents to try and find ct's from some 35 yrs ago. at first they thought i was going nuts, but when i showed them the difference between the overall skies they too went like:"hmmmm".......

but ever since my "awakening" (a lil less than a year ago) ct's don't bother me so much anymore, since the effect they supposedly had on me before that is gone and i don't feel anxious anymore. at least not for myself, but i still feel sorry for scores of people that are not aware of them and their effect (?) is layed down on them.
i'll just keep pointing them out to people around me, i feel that is the right thing to do. not to scare them but rather to raise some degree of awareness.

greets, jan

[Muse]

i agree with jan. i have noticed the same thing. the spraying was so bad one day here a couple weeks back it was alarming. my easy going loving neighbors were at each other, which never happens. they were cleaning outside, and fighting as they did so.

before i knew what the chemtrails were up to, i saw that i was more anxious as well. i came to see this as a good thing, because it helped me to clean and clear my psyche. most people are not suspect, so they go get the drugs that help them to cope. this is what part of the spraying is suppose to do ... get us on drugs. those drugs feed the drug companies, and they make us numb so we are easier to control.

once we are aware of all of this, we simply don't buy into the bull. we see through the illusion. we now know what is up and up we go in our vibration. this awareness is an awesome thing!

thank you chemtrails for bringing me more light. fairy dust indeed. ;)

[dazcox]

i think the chemtrails are simply fear-inducers. yes, they may often have toxic chemicals or be for some nefarious purpose but their main effect is to scare people, the people like us who are aware of their surroundings.

i was listening to one of the radio shows that our main man david wilcock is on once in a while right after that "famous media-owner" made the remark about there being 'too many people in the world and we will end up eating each other to survive' and of course, the first guest is a that guy who talks daily about the illuminati and how everything they do are attempts to exterminate us.

when i first listened to the guy who broadcasts about the nwo and their plans to kill most of us i thought it was fascinating and wondered why they would allow him to stay on the air if they did indeed control everything.

he said that the bad guys didn't want him to become some kind of martyr for the cause, but i don't think so. i think he has been allowed to appear to bite the hand that feeds him because he serves their purpose by constantly hammering out fear.

i was on his discussion boards and i can tell you that those people are not anywhere as opened minded and happy as us.

i started a dw mini-group (listeners who also liked dw) on that broadcasters social network and was swamped by ron paul must win or else/jesus is coming/the aliens are in your toilet be afraid (repeat over and over), people were so focused on their little slice of reality that they couldn't listen to anyone elses views, people there were terrified of everything and clung white-knuckled to any shread of hope.

perhaps the illiminati do want to kill most of us, but they can't, so why make yourself sick worrying about it?

[schachlied]

here is an excellent canadian-based chemtrail index site that escaped my attention for a long time: http://www.holmestead.ca/index-ct.html

especially intriguing is the "deep shield" interview. real deal or psyop?
http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html

there is some excellent reference material, like the pdf extract from the 1991 usaf academy manual showing the graphic icon "chemtrails"(!) that's about the time the white papers on aerosol tech were getting published.

that adds a nice ironic touch to the letter from an air force colonel to nancy pelosi some years later, that chemtrails were a "hoax"!

the deep shield scoop fits with what david has been saying about the new solar cycle that started in 1936. however, as with the planet x warning from a norweigian politician (released by project camelot and nexus magazine), i feel that there is a blinkered vision behind these reports that omits the higher dimensional aspect of these times we are going through.

the deep shield material sounds just a tad propagandistic, and steers clear of any mention of haarp (possibly an electronic weapon system or a missle shield) in releation to chemtrails. i'd like to get david's take on this. there are many photos on chemtrail central and weather wars purporting to show chemtrails demonstrating an electrical field effect (haarp testing?) when it shows a regular pattern of ripples.

i am not so positive about the cause, as "mackerel sky" is a well-known phenomenon where (as i understand it) high cumulus get rippled by stratospheric winds -- not unlike the formation of sand dunes. so i'd not be surprised if manmade clouds behaved the same way. (disclaimer -- i'm not a meteorologist.)

for disinformation i recommend the following, just to calibrate your wits.

jay reynolds' site contrails - or 'trails-con? at http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/ [moderator thinks this is a great article]

equally heavy-handed is 'new mexicans for science and reason' at http://www.nmsr.org/chemtrls.htm. [moderator found a link within this link that is really eye-opening...http://contrailscience.com/barium-chemtrails/ ]

morgellons watch is an anonymously run site. good thing for "michael", because he's telling the "morgies" that they're all deluded, poor things. maybe he could start a twelve-step program for them, if he had the guts to face these people.
http://morgellonswatch.com/
is it just me, or is there an insufferably arrogant and nasty tone to his posts? and the labeling business! "liberals" and "twoofers" and "morgies!" (oh my!) twoofer is my favorite, because it's an attempt to make truthers sound like drooling idiots. (not unlike the use of "goo-goo" and a synonym for liberal!) and let's not forget our beloved "moonbats", which has moved from the generic "batty" to meaning "left-wing peacenik kook". a fair trade for wingnut, which tends to be used against the right.

not to dwell on the negative -- just to acknowledge it. thank god for light bringers like david.

[leo scone]

i have been following the chem-trails for years now too, and our most powerful tool in transforming them into that which is harmless is our consciousness, of which orgone devices are but an extension, acting as intentionally charged devices.

and yes, ultimately, we is "they".

but, i'm not quite sure i can settle with the idea that it is the best i can do to center myself, intentionally charge a few devices and smile the "it's all okay!" smile.

i mean, hasn't everyone here been compassionately p****d at a loved one before? does it spell the end of our relationships with our brother or sister? our lover or parent? no, not usually. instead we make energy move. we, knowing we are co-creating for educational purposes, dive into our catalyst and move forward.

i am just plain p****d still at my brothers and sisters who are stupid enough to fly the planes, to make the chemicals, to lie as traffic controllers about what they know is going on. and of course the "they" aspect of ourselves that are at the top of the heap, doing such a wonderful job of providing such catalyst for us all. but against my free will in awakening choice now...so it ain't "ok" at all.

i am grateful for the light and dark of this world providing us with the ultimate "catalytic converter" of souls, and being pissed is just another inner technology we can apply toward our manifestation...just do it with love!

yup, i'm a particle and a wave...

love, blessings, and abundance,

frank-o

[Muse]

i completely understand your frustration frank-o. i had to do a lot of work on how this could go on and how people could blindly believe their superiors, and do the actual spraying.

i have written to the epa, and our gov officials, with no response, except for one that said it was spraying for brown moths. i even said "being sprayed in the stratosphere," which as we all know is not what crop dusting does.

this is human crop dusting. and as p'd as i might get, i can do nothing about it. it only brought me stress and suffering, which is not good for me! they (those who started this "weather modification act") win that way. my rage, and believe me this enraged me, depleted my immune system to the point that i got sick. i was sick of the spaying and told anyone who would listen what they were up to... that anger, thus stress and anxiousness took a toll on me.

i think this is what they want -- to weaken our immune system and then hit us with something that our immune system won't be able to process. this will result in a significant population reduction, which the "power elite" have openly said is their agenda. they have planned it for decades.

given this, i was pulled one of two ways ... take the road out, because who would want to live in a world where this is allowed, or feel good now. the second option felt better, because i can help to lift the vibration of the planet and possibly curtail such an event. that is after all why i am who i am, a light being, and being light is what i am all about. being p'd was good to get it out of my system, but then i came to my senses.

i will no longer let them "take me down." all the rage in the world is not going to better the situation, so i have come to a place where i chose to make peace with it. and it was not easy.

i remind myself that unconditional love always rises to the top. it is the only thing that makes sense to me when it comes to the things of the world that can get me down. i am not condoning these things, i am just doing my best to rise above the bull, and to be a light unto the world. the more of us that do that, the better all life will be.

from pissed to peace,

muse

[Muse]

i sure wish this is the way it could be. i've done the best i can to get the word out to no avail.

http://cuttingthroughthematrix.net/chemtrails.html

it sure would be nice, but until then i know i helped to create these, and now all i can do is love the **** out of them. ;)

[LightEye]

dear friends,

more from cliff...

http://www.carnicom.com/morgvid2.htm

be well, be love.

david

"morgellons" - 2nd session
by clifford e carnicom & gwen scott n.d. recorded april 11, 2008

[LightEye]

dear friends,

strange...

http://www.carnicom.com/anomalies1.htm

be well, be love.

david

"aerosol anomalies"
posted on behalf of the submitters
by clifford e carnicom
apr 17 2008

during the past month, two individuals have submitted a series of photographs to me that depict unusual airborne forms. to my knowledge, neither of these individuals is in contact with the other. the photographs are stated to be original. in both cases, the photos shown here are reported to have taken place in the midst of heavy aerosol operations over the respective geographic regions.

the photos in both cases show unusual ring-shaped or disc-like objects. the photos in one case are quite clear and remarkable. the fact that the second set was even captured is also fortunate. a statement from the photgrapher in each case will follow the images that have been submitted. these photographs raise several questions about at least some aspects of the aerosol operations and they appear to defy any conventional perception of aircraft. the accompanying "emission trail" with the ring like structure of the first set is especially curious. my appreciation is extended to both of the individuals that have offered their images to the public in the quest to further understand the nature of the aerosol operations.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/4312/odd_chemtrails__amp__ufos_over_maine/

be well, be love.

david

[LightEye]

dear friends,

i couldn't find the chemtrails postings so i'm posting this seperate.

http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

be well, be love.

david

chemtrails - shocking phoenix air quality test results
by ted twietmeyer
6-14-8

recently, a reader sent me data on air tests performed in the phoenix area. these charts show a number heavy metals are present in the environment at levels far exceeding the safe toxic level standards for human health. the person who performed the air sampling had it analyzed by a professional laboratory, and has asked for confidentiality. exact location in phoenix of the samples collected and names involved will not be disclosed in this report.

i have personally seen the actual report with the name of the person who and location where air was sampled and the name of the testing laboratory, and certify that the report appears authentic.

scans of the report provided to me of laboratory results were sent as files of more than 1mb in size each. each chart has been reduced in size here to fit on your screen by this author. one chart was rotated for proper orientation but has not been altered in any other way.

[vjvousden]

i'm not surprised at these levels, they bomb us with this crap everyday all day. though i must say i'm noticing lapses of 2 or 3 days between poisonings in may and now june. but our air is a light brownish red most days. i stay indoors mostly, even on the few cool weather days we have. i can't breath that stuff. my throat closes up, i've battled sinus and chest infections all winter (and this with little contact outside the home). i even was going into pneumonia in jan. (i'm in my 40's and fairly healthy normally).

the thing is, we can analyze this to death but knowing isn't fixing it. how can we do anything about this? people are really sick, some dying from this. and we can tell people, write to newspapers, blog, write to our representatives and all we get is either "it's you imagination" or a nice note saying it's just air force exercises. and at a personal level what can we do? drs. tell us it's allergies, air pollution or the flu without a hint that it could be anything lethal. and you are suspect if you mention this to the dr. (i hinted and got non-reaction). i took a heavy metal cleanse in supplement form recently but only half finished it because it made me so sick i felt like i'd die. i take colloidal silver and regular vitamins but what else can the common joe do? i love nature and hate like anything having to hideout in my house. and my 6 yr. old daughter can't live her life hiding out inside. she loves playing outside but there is no safe time. we can't move due to my husband's job and even if we did, it's not better anywhere else we've visited. even in europe they are spraying chemtrails. so what is a person to do?

frustrated and sick in phoenix (and today is my birthday),
valarie

[yossarian]

you could move to northern canada if you really want to escape it.

i doubt we have these where i live, there is too much open empty space, and i rarely see those contrails in the sky let alone a big grid of them.

how do we know that the heavy metals are caused by airplanes anyway?

[vjvousden]

i know david said the i11...naughties are running out of money to do their evil deeds but that hasn't seemed to stop the chemtrails here. if anything, there is a renewed vigor! today, they were going 10 at a time and didn't stop till there was a white out in the sky. i could smell it, too. a musty, swampy sort of smell. it made my eyes and nose sting. i just try to stay indoors. difficult as this is our perfect weather time of year here. :(
blessings all, hoping "they" run out of juice for the unmarked jets soon!
valarie

[Meriut]

hi all...i am up north here in sedona and we are getting chemtrail covered again here the past few days. i have so many photos of this insanity....*sigh*

anyhow...i recently came upon this great site: ontario (california) weather service here's a link: www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html

they give forecast maps for spraying for three days out (& i believe that a monthly forecast is soon available) and also have forums too. the guy who runs it is a meteorologist who could no longer in good conscience go along with the unspoken knowledge among his peers that this chemtrailing is really real. (how anyone with eyes in his head can deny that these are more than "just contrails" is beyond me.)

i try to stay in a good space about these things but the scuzzing up of my blue az skies really makes it hard. plus i have had this annoying cough now for about a year. (non smoker here.) i try to stay indoors when they are spraying but jeepers...its too many days and i need to be outside, ya know?


interesting that they are spraying so heavily now in az. (...and i so wanted to make it down to phx to chet snow's event to see david....)

valerie..i hope you are feeling better...its awful here, i can imagine that phx is so much worse. just what are they doing, thats what i want to know. :(


hang in....
blessings & love
meriut

[KassandraLoves]

it saddens me that they are treating us as people like lab mice or something...

you know what though? i am confident in the fact that as much as they can try to control the things that happen to my body (via their chemtrails and flouridation and all that other junk) that i am still the only one in control of what affects me.

if i trust that i am in control, it might just work out in my favor.

i saw a ton of chemtrails this morning over the seattle/south seattle area this morning driving into work....and when i saw them, i covered them in love and saw the light i was sending just encapsule the bad stuff.

i hope my little effort is helpful in our world. nasty stuff they do.

[Babyblue]

did you read the piece on davids site about the russian scientists who made the pyramids to the dimensions of phi?
easy to calculate and build.
i would read up on this and get building, these pyramids can be easily constructed in a garden and do numerous things such as cleaning the air, healing the ozone layer, reducing earthquake activity, charging your food and water etc etc.
hi v by the way, love elektra x x x (bablyblue)

[tigermoff]

if all of the planets are heating up due to the sun heating up as it nears the galletic plane, then it makes sense for those in the know to try to stop the earth heating up at the speed of some of the other planets which are futher from the sun than earth.

[litllady]

hey all,

i searched a good ol thread to bring back to life for a particular something to share with ya and get some feedback on.

a few days back, my daughter brought me one of her shirts that she has worn a couple days before and showed me what seems like little red spots on her shirt. my first thought was 'how did a mold grow so fast....but then she reminded me that this was the shirt she had on the evening she had to run home in the rain, she had changed into dry clothes, tossing the wet shirt behind her door. i remember her being soaked from the rain.

so i took some pics and uploaded them to the albums on my profile here at dc. the link
http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/album.php?albumid=57

ive googled a few things trying to make some sense of this....the only thing that seems to resonate somewhat with this strangness is a rash that the schools have been batteling. my daughter happens to be one of the many children that have this strange rash, making a laced blotch all over their skin. somtimes called fits/fitz disease, but then another doctor says it is not fits disease.

i couldnt find any odd happeneings with any airplanes or others claiming to of had stains on anything from this evening of rain....but it is a really light pink, not sure on how many colors it would actually show up on what ever it is.

any similar stories abroad would be appriciated.

i know mold can grow fast, and especially being wet like it was, but im pretty confident this is not mold. i think what ever made the red stains was in the rain.

share thoughts,
lynette

[tuesday]

linda moulton-howe, who is a frequent guest on the coast to coast radio show, has been working with a chinese biologist to identify a strange "red rain".

if anyone can figure out what "rained" on your daughter's shirt, it's linda. she'd probably be happy to take a look at your photos. she's also a very nice lady. send her an e-mail at her website, www.earthfiles.com.

good luck!

[tuesday]

linda moulton-howe, who is a frequent guest on the coast to coast radio show, has been working with a chinese biologist to identify a strange "red rain".

if anyone can figure out what "rained" on your daughter's shirt, it's linda. she'd probably be happy to take a look at your photos. she's also a very nice lady. send her an e-mail at her website, www.earthfiles.com.

good luck!
wow, i'm sorry! i really mangled this! let me try again.

i went to earthfiles.com and searched for the term "red rain". i got this headline:
"10/25/2007 — red rain cells of kerala, india: physicist says still no dna, but replication at 300 degrees celsius ( 572 f.)"

(i'm not a subscriber anymore, so i couldn't get the rest of the article, but i do remember it was interesting!)

so. instead of a chinese biologist, linda worked with an indian physicist, to try to id the red rain that fell in india. and, she's still who i would ask about yours.

http://cosgan.de/images/midi/konfus/c065.gif

sorry for the stupid!

[litllady]

hello tuesday,

thanks for that info. i too remember reading such a article but i too was not able to view it today at earthfiles due to the subscription thing. i did write linda in a email after seeing your posts....mabey she will give her thoughts back to me about it.

i looked up red molds and they seem to grow in patches....which is not what i see going on with these red spots. ill be away for a few days, going out of town on a family emergency...but ill get back to all of this next week.

thanks for the info!

love lynette

[meganarline]

hi lynette,

first i hope everything is okay with your family emergency.

i do have a subscription to the earthfiles website and i don't want to share too much and get my subscription revoked but some of the interesting facts about this red rain is that it has happened on three separate occasions in the same place, 2001,2006 and 2007 in india. it may be extraterrestrial in origin and


he told me in an interview last year that when he first saw the red rain magnified, he was struck by the beautiful rust color of what seemed to be living cells.


elements confirmed so far are hydrogen, silicon, oxygen, carbon, and aluminum. no phosphorous was confirmed, which would be present if earth dna were present

it's a mystery to me. i would not wash the shirt just in case she wants to do some testing on it.

good luck,

love,

megan

[tuesday]

thanks, megan!
i remembered it was interesting, but i'd forgotten just how interesting.

lynette, yikes! http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/figuren/n050.gif
at least it's pink. pink is a friendly color, isn't it?

did you use a new fabric softener, or anything like that? i suppose it's early for pollen...rust is pink-ish, so that might mean iron...hmmmm.

i love a mystery. please do let us know what you find!

tuesday

p.s. hope all is well!

[litllady]

hey all,

im still very curious about the 'red rain' idea and i am still hanging onto the shirt. ive showed it to several people and have yet to find any explanation for it.

im going to search some people this week that might be interested in looking at it and send some emails out.

im well aware that there may be a logical explanation for this...but until i find that explanation, im going to remain curious.

i would like to find out if there is some sort of fibers or particles on the shirt that are not from molds or mildew. ive had cloths mildew and mold before in the laundry and i have never seen red mold or mildew like this....

this might be on the back burner for now...but i will continue to search for someone interested in testing the shirt.

love lynette

[meganarline]

earthfiles has done an update on the red rain story. here's the link.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?id=1526&category=science

not sure if it's the same red rain you experienced lynette but it makes for an interesting read anyways.

megan

[tuesday]

also, lighteye posted the update from earthfiles here:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12522

(lynette, send linda that shirt!! it makes me nervous to think of it in your laundry basket!!)

[litllady]

hiya all

i will email linda again, mabey the last mail i sent got over looked because i cant imagine someone with her interests not being curious about such a thing.

i do have the shirt folded up in a freezer bag...so it is not laying in the laundry or touching any thing else...just in case.

thanks for the support and interests....it helps me not fall to the more doubtfull side that it is nothing...even though it may very well be. your support helps keep me engaged in the curious side of it all and i need that when life is so busy and its so easy to toss it all aside and worry about other things.

im off to read lighteyes posts....ill send linda another email and tell her im willing to cut a piece off of the shirt and send it to her. any other names of people that might be interested to test the shirt for me is appreciated.

im also interested in any weather experiments that might be going on in alabama...i live 40 mins away from the space rocket center in huntsville al and i am sure there are many research facilities in that area also.

love ya all
lynette

[noel1111]

boy,

something has been going on lately... looks like they are really gearing up for something. two days ago as i left work i noticed the x patterns in the sky... tons of them. as i got on the train i started to meditate about cleaning mother earth and helping her to heal. when i got to the gym the chemtrails were already bleeding out and covering all of the blue patches in the sky. my entire workout i listened to yo-yo ma and kept thoughts of love, peace harmony and healing. when i left the gym i wanted to cry. the entire sky over astoria was thick with haze so much that it blocked out the sun!

yesterday the skies began to clear and the blue had started to come back. but this morning again there were those ugly giant x's bleeding across the skies. as i took the train into work i looked towards the city and it was covered in a thick ugly grayish funk. the chemtrails went from astoria all the way across the sky to downtown manhattan! i am sure by the time i leave work today the entire sky will be blocked out once again. it's so depressing to me. i've started to send light and love to those "dark entities" who insist on trying to destroy mother earth and its residence... as hard as it may be to do sometimes. but now i have attached a specific message to them when i meditate... "accept the light or leave".

i just wish there was more i could do. i hate seeing chemtrails in the sky!!! has anyone else noticed them more in their area lately? i've heard of the chembusters... has anyone used one?

[FooSnik]

boy,

something has been going on lately... looks like they are really gearing up for something. two days ago as i left work i noticed the x patterns in the sky... tons of them. as i got on the train i started to meditate about cleaning mother earth and helping her to heal. when i got to the gym the chemtrails were already bleeding out and covering all of the blue patches in the sky. my entire workout i listened to yo-yo ma and kept thoughts of love, peace harmony and healing. when i left the gym i wanted to cry. the entire sky over astoria was thick with haze so much that it blocked out the sun!

yesterday the skies began to clear and the blue had started to come back. but this morning again there were those ugly giant x's bleeding across the skies. as i took the train into work i looked towards the city and it was covered in a thick ugly grayish funk. the chemtrails went from astoria all the way across the sky to downtown manhattan! i am sure by the time i leave work today the entire sky will be blocked out once again. it's so depressing to me. i've started to send light and love to those "dark entities" who insist on trying to destroy mother earth and its residence... as hard as it may be to do sometimes. but now i have attached a specific message to them when i meditate... "accept the light or leave".

i just wish there was more i could do. i hate seeing chemtrails in the sky!!! has anyone else noticed them more in their area lately? i've heard of the chembusters... has anyone used one?

thank you! i am not the only one!

i was noticing how few sunny days we were having here and i thought it was very unusual. really, i was thinking to myself that mother nature was cheating us out of our beautiful sunny summer. and then, by coincidence (if you believe in coincidences), this documentary came to my attention:

chemtrail film: don't talk about the weather

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxneoxkl0mm

i was watching this documentary and i started to get the feeling that the chemtrails they describe and the weird weather we have been experiencing is awfully similar. and then during the 4th of july weekend, right after i watch the documentary, the skies clear up like magic. as if someone knew that millions of people would be watching the skies that weekend and they stopped spraying. shortly after, like monday, gray skies again.

the weather will start off brilliantly blue and then become this blank sort of gray, around noon or so everyday. and i have seen the long lines across the sky, as well.

people, if you ever see a long white line across your sky, you are being sprayed. neither contrails or clouds naturally form long thin white lines. and even crazier, nasa has a web page now that is dedicated to "contrail education". and they are blatantly lying that the long white lines have always been a natural contrail occurrence.

so now, after seeing the evidence written across the sky, i know it is not mother nature cheating us out of our summer. it is our little friends who think they are special and better than everyone else and they can just spray or do whatever the hell they want.

grrrr....

[The_G_Man]

around where i live, here in southern ontario, we are experiencing a massive amount of chemical spraying lately. i have an airport close to where i live, so there are always commercial planes and small private planes flying over our house, and about 3 weeks ago, it was a clear sunny day, and there was a huge chemtrail about 1000 feet above my house. about 2 hours later there was literally complete cloud cover in the area of where i live. i could not believe it. i'm seeing these things happen almost on a daily basis now.

[Truth180]

i have seen them to and oddly they fly at a low altitude at times. one day i pointed one out to a friend with one of these planes flying low and he knew something was odd about it, but did not want to think of something like that in which i understand.

i think these planes are watched closely and cannot do any harm to the people during the transformation and let nature take its course.

[islandgirl]

doesn't surprise me to hear these chemtrails are all over astoria as we have them regularly over san juan island and today was no exception. i too noticed they stopped during the july 4th holiday but they are going strong again. :(

i've lived here on the island since jan '05 and they are hideously thick much of the time during the summer with and on and off frequency....clear for a few days/weeks then back to it. the sky on some days is so thick with them that we lose the sun altogether and i really do mean the entire sky is covered with the thick residue from them. i watch them laying them out and within a couple of hours it's poof no sun. about the time i start praying 'god please stop them from doing this to our beautiful earth and all of us here' it slows down and is gone for a few weeks..........(thank you god).

i must say that before moving up here i lived in calif central valley and they were pretty darn bad there too, but not like up here.

all i can think to do is keep praying for it to stop and i also pray to obama to take up this cause and try to stop them from poisoning us all and our precious earth.

one wonders how the pilots and all the ground crew involved sleep at night after doing something like this....


love and light to all the wonderful folks here.........cheri

[noel1111]

this past weekend my husband and a friend of ours drove from new york to maryland to spend the weekend on the water for much needed r n r. we left friday around noon and the skies were already covered. i watched the entire way from ny to md and was horrified they had been spraying the entire east coast!

sat morning i woke to beautiful blue skies not a chem-cloud anywhere! as soon as we got out on the boat i saw those little white planes! what sneaky bastards they are about it too! now they have started to spray in strange patterns. not always straight lines but little plumes here and there that spread out into masses that cover the skies. atleast they are trying to be artistic about it! i told my husband to watch the lines spread out throughout the day and in a few hours every bit of blue would be gone from view. he is still very skeptical and one of those people who beleive its regular airplane streaks. so he lets me go on with all my "conspiracy chatter" and doesn't think much more about it. but by the end of the day no more blue anywhere just that thick haze of grey muck.

i tried meditating and sending messages to the pilots to stop the spraying. but it had no effect. this is now the 3 day in a row i've seen them spraying. this morning i woke up to an aching throat, terrible allergies and a pain in my chest which i cannot explain. our friend got sick on day 2 of our trip. and had complained of an aching neck and headaches as well as being extremely thirsty and needing to continually drink water. i am definitly not myself today and feel as if i'm on the verge of getting very sick. i keep trying to remind myself that this is just a last ditch efforts to keep us all down.... i'm just ready for them to leave already and am getting very tired of seeing moher earth treated like their toilet!

serenity now..... :confused:

[Tbonyandsteak]

saw heavy chemtrails over
south of vejle, where i live
spread from a plain in low altitude.
i could easely determent type of the plane.
white 2 engine with wings above its body, the size of the plane were
as a rather small plane approximately 15-25 meters long.
that looked so weird at start didnt knew what to make of it.
so i did som calculations of what exactly what i saw.
if i took approximately size of plane and the size looked at a certain point, i could calculate the distance.
from the ancle i could calculate the hight of the plane flew.
this weird result came out = 1 km hight,
the place where in vejle, denmark
at clock 21:30
27 april
could believe it so recaluted it, with the same result.

21. may. 11 am. discovered
second low altitude chemtrail
exact same path, this one was
the same altitude as the lowest clouds
that day, which means:
it flowed at the exact same hight,
speed and direction as the 1. low altitude.

9. june, first case of swine flue in
vejle, 3 km away from the same direction of low alitude chemtrail had driftet towards

what can you do with that kind of observation?
just bought a new camera with 20x zoom. sence the old camera
could not even take a photograph of the moon, becourse its wideancle objective.

have thought a lot about it, at first i was afraid, but then the commen sence took over.

then jane burgermeister "confirms" that agenda and it pisses me off, if it should be any truth in that.

but then again, its been a while since i saw chemtrails ( 3 weeks of clear skye)

what is happening here?

regards

[The_G_Man]

the pilots don't even know that they are spraying these chemicals on us, it is so compartmentalised. i have a feeling that they put these chemicals into the actual fuel of the planes, so when the plane does make a contrail, it just hangs up there, spreads out and starts to form clouds or just a big haze in the sky.

[Habit4ming]

according to update 2, july 21, 2009 at project camelot:
..."according to hale, a senior biochemist at a leading pharmaceutical company advised that...an aerosoled precursor has been put into the air and almost everyone has breathed it into their lungs. the (forced) vaccinations to be administered this fall will be activated when the constituents come in contact with the aerosoled precursor...thus causing rapid spread of the h1n1 influenza a virus..."

i listened to the show about getting an injunction (to not be forced to take the vaccine)..supposedly we, the lay people, were supposed to be able to understand exactly how to file this injunction, but it was not clear to me how to do so...

i was greatly relieved when i read david's article about the virus (great awakening) and am trying to stay out of fear mode....but if people are forced to take the vaccine....????

[Tbonyandsteak]

saw heavy chemtrails over
south of vejle, where i live
spread from a plain in low altitude.
i could easely determent type of the plane.
white 2 engine with wings above its body, the size of the plane were
as a rather small plane approximately 15-25 meters long.
that looked so weird at start didnt knew what to make of it.
so i did som calculations of what exactly what i saw.
if i took approximately size of plane and the size looked at a certain point, i could calculate the distance.
from the ancle i could calculate the hight of the plane flew.
this weird result came out = 1 km hight,
the place where in vejle, denmark
at clock 21:30
27 april
could believe it so recaluted it, with the same result.

21. may. 11 am. discovered
second low altitude chemtrail
exact same path, this one was
the same altitude as the lowest clouds
that day, which means:
it flowed at the exact same hight,
speed and direction as the 1. low altitude.

9. june, first case of swine flue in
vejle, 3 km away from the same direction of low alitude chemtrail had driftet towards

what can you do with that kind of observation?
just bought a new camera with 20x zoom. sence the old camera
could not even take a photograph of the moon, becourse its wideancle objective.

have thought a lot about it, at first i was afraid, but then the commen sence took over.

then jane burgermeister "confirms" that agenda and it pisses me off, if it should be any truth in that.

but then again, its been a while since i saw chemtrails ( 3 weeks of clear skye)

what is happening here?

regards
purposse is the big question here.
vejle is laying partly in a small valley at the end of a fjord, from vest to east.
the 2 low altitude chemtrails i saw were spread along the southside of the valley and they driftet towards noth.
the first case of swineflue was in the north side of the town.
well this does not prove anything, i know that.
but it is certainly a indecation, that the 2 chemtrails was meant to the people
of the town, for what ever purposse.
the case of the swineflue 18 days after the last chemtrails, you have to remember that is for the announcement of the swineflue case.
have read that it takes approximately 4 days from where your infectet to develope the
disease.
how long does it take before you go to the doctor, when you have that disease?
5 days?
then how long does it take from to take a sample until you have a result?
3-4 days?
how long does it take from the doctor to inform that information further to the authorities, till it announced in the media. 2 days?

now, add the days up 12-18 days?


is this just a coincidence that the number of days between the last sighting of the strange low altitude chemtrail and publication of the first case of swineflue in the town, is 18 days?

[Tbonyandsteak]

well personly i do agree to a certain extend that we should not be in fear.
becourse fear could lead to anxiety, but fear is mostly derived from the unknown.
that fear we must solve and we cant solve that fear with denial.
that will lead to selfdenial.
the fear of the h1n1 flue can be real. we do not know that yet and if a crime to humanity is about to be done here, we have to make a stand.
personly, i believe the way jane burgermeister doing it, the best way.
make the charges, against whoever is responsable for this.
so many as possible in the system are responsible for this to stop.
if it dont stop, the system must wake up to see what part they part of.

regards

[MarkM]

fear is one thing, awareness and education is another. i'd bet that the vast majority of what tales we are told regarding many various agendas of the negs have as their main purpose the sowing of seeds of fear. fear serves to actively put the kibosh on the latent power of mankind to create a better world, and to become aware of their divine potential.

i remind myself that fear and trembling only serves as the best means by which the rogue ptb may maintain their power-base. this is the most classic and the longest enduring control mechanism.

wars... and rumors of wars, and fear and confusion - sinister sleight of hand in the dark. these things serve powerfully to keep us from realizing our creatorship, and oneness with intelligent infinity.

as these concerns of those of us awakening to the agendas of the 'elites' so beguile and strike fear into us, so we are beholden to our own shadow. better perhaps to become educated and aware, observant and inwardly discriminating - without succumbing to less than acceptance, forgiveness and love. i believe this to be a major message of dw, and the law of one. mark

[noel1111]

yesterday as i came home from the gym a huge trail was being sprayed right ovr my head in the old familiar x pattern. it was so blatant too just this giant and i mean huge trail from a low flying plane. my first reaction was you bastards! then i remembered they want me to be upset and angry so...i started to meditate again and pray for mother earths health and well being, i envisioned her skies becomming blue like the deepest part of the ocean. her blades of grass turning bright green as a circle of light beings surrounded her with a golden light filled with love and healing.

i know i must have looked bizarre in all my gym gear standing on the sidewalk corner meditating but when i opened my eyes i was staring at this huge trail when it blinked at me. it was so strange... this deep blue color around the trail blinked at me and instantly the trail began to break apart and dissappear. the entire trail did not dissappear but a large portion of it began to disperse and whither away. that gave me hope and much peace of mind. i have been asking for help with cleaning mother earth and helping her regain her beauty and health.

all i needed was this little sign to let me know my good thoughts are helping more then i could know. atleast that's what my instincts tell me. so they can continue to spray me and the rest of humanity but it will not stir me from my path. it just means i need to spend even more time creating the world that we all want and deserve.

[Truth180]

i don't think it hurts to develop a thicker skin during these times. what response would we get if we point these things out. some people are hard wired that they would do anything to keep it that way. the movie "matrix" explains this all to well.

when going to work everyday and seeing these trails in the sky it is so obvious that they are there, but no one is asking why? co workers or friends.

today there was one flying low it suddenly stopped the trail and you would think that the engines would have stopped running.:eek:

[xlsander]

this morning in berlin germany - the whole sky was full of trails - i mean really alot of them ... and i have not seeing them lately at all - so something must have had triggered the powers to be to literally fill the whole sky over my homecity ...

[Vermillion]

chem trails are a few things, there is weather munipulation and a big part of it is too acctually effect our dna. they spray the chemicals to make people sick and effect our well being. its all part of the plan. although there are many ways you can go about preventing it from effecting yourself using consciousness as a protection and sending out energy to help releave them.

always stay protected by violet light and then gold. this will help you against such things and even emf and elf frequencies. when you see a chemtrail consciously visualize it in violet light and that will help the molecular structure of it reverse itself into a more positive thing. you may also send energy to shift it and move it away from you.

consciousness is the most powerful aspect we have, use it.

[Truth180]

when i see these planes with these chemtrails i send the pilot positive vibrations. they are human to and hopefully have a concious of why they think they are doing the right thing. in their heads they think they are doing it for everyones own good.

the illuminati had gone too far to where they need to be blocked on interfering with peoples free will. there has to be some limit to where they need to stop and let mother nature take its course. to what ever causes the earth changes its all for the good for this planet. :)

[darkfluffy]

chem trails are a few things, there is weather munipulation and a big part of it is too acctually effect our dna. they spray the chemicals to make people sick and effect our well being. its all part of the plan. although there are many ways you can go about preventing it from effecting yourself using consciousness as a protection and sending out energy to help releave them.

always stay protected by violet light and then gold. this will help you against such things and even emf and elf frequencies. when you see a chemtrail consciously visualize it in violet light and that will help the molecular structure of it reverse itself into a more positive thing. you may also send energy to shift it and move it away from you.

consciousness is the most powerful aspect we have, use it.

cool thanks! violet light is very powerful. eat plenty of fresh foods with good water content, and limit sexual ejaculation as much as possible as well. to much depleted sexual essence feeds the nwo/ negative energies of the world.

[Bill]

i thought denver had been immune to chemtrails, but as i was at our pool today, i noticed not only the dissipated clouds, but also witnessed 3 planes at parallel and 90 degree angles turning on and off their trails...

was very dissappointing to say the least. i did send my best intentions to the pilots, asked that they understand that they are killing their families as well, and sent my best healing thoughts for mother earth... amazing that she has tolerated us idiots for so long....

[FooSnik]

cool thanks! violet light is very powerful. eat plenty of fresh foods with good water content, and limit sexual ejaculation as much as possible as well. to much depleted sexual essence feeds the nwo/ negative energies of the world.

wait... what?

what happened to make love not war?

[FooSnik]

i see now.

it's all about "vital energy"

excessive pornography and sex depletes your vital energy like any addiction would.

vital energy is the most important thing in this world.

they have a long list of ways they try to take away our fight.

there was a few chemtrails, today, that were absolutely indisputable. three lines that stopped and started. contrails are created in cold temperatures behind a plane for a shot time until it is dissipated. period. they would absolutely never stop and start. never.

the three lines were in three different directions. so i would assume they are from 3 different planes. if i had my phone i would have taken a photo and posted it here.

[darkfluffy]

you are right foosnik :)

from my experience pornogrophy (it could be linked to chemtrails i do not know) like a bootcamp, programs sex with ideals of violence, and objectivity, control, and materialism.

its like living in a world of imagination.

whats the fun in that?

[Bill]

tried to figure out how to edit my previous message, but was not smart enough. here is one of the photos i took that day over denver...

[Berry Chastain]

as i look out my office window just now, i notice for the first time a hatchwork of chemtrails in the skies over dallas. if these have been there before, i have never noticed them but they are quite obvious today. these don't appear to be normal airline contrails as they are not fading but spreading out. i will watch to see if the sky which has been clear up until a short while ago, starts to become hazy overcast.

i intend to check for residue on surfaces later today as well.

l&l
berry

[FooSnik]

as i look out my office window just now, i notice for the first time a hatchwork of chemtrails in the skies over dallas. if these have been there before, i have never noticed them but they are quite obvious today. these don't appear to be normal airline contrails as they are not fading but spreading out. i will watch to see if the sky which has been clear up until a short while ago, starts to become hazy overcast.

i intend to check for residue on surfaces later today as well.

l&l
berry

yes man...

start noticing cause this thing is real. i didn't notice or care till a few months ago.

[Mozart]

hi all of you,


i have observed in my local area (lake tahoe) no chemtrails in the last several weeks (the month of sept, 09), so i am wondering if any of you on the forum have seen any chemtrails in the last several weeks, wherever you are, have you?


have you seen any in the last several weeks? if so, please report that to this post; if not, please still report that you have not seen any in the last several weeks (most of the month of sept, 09).


it is important to know, as i have noticed numerous comments from people all over the world that the chemtrails seem to have disappeared and that our skies have been a glorious colors of deep blue, instead of being the fugly white-wash blue that it had been for the last 10 years or so.


please report your own local (identify your area) observations about whether or not there are any chemtrails in your area. thank you.


~seth

[Berry Chastain]

yesterday, the one of few days in the last couple of weeks the sky was clear and deeply blue, no haze of "fugly" smudges to be seen. i even commented to a friend how clear and deep blue the sky was. that was monday october 5.

[Bill]

now that you mention it, it has been a week or two since i last saw them over denver... i will make sure to watch this week.

[Bill]

looked several times today, and did not see any chemtrails over denver... has been that way for a few weeks, i believe.

[Meriut]

we've been clear here in sedona, az for the past few weeks, too. used to be that we were scuzzed more than we weren't , but lately...it feels like real skies again!:)

so i wonder what it means....it has to be a good thing, right??

[Liam]

i have noticed a reduction in my area too. in fact there have been manly chemtrail-free days over the past few months. i seem to be echoing the thoughts of others in the us. this has to be a good sign surely! now my area isn't known for its clear blue sky, but over the past few years when the sky has been clear it has tended to be spoilt by chemtrails. but finally we seem to have our clear blue sky back, on the occasions when its not obscured by cloud!

[Bill]

apparently i spoke too soon... i noticed 4-5 trails in the skies over denver today...

[Matthew Clark]

mid summer i noticed quite a few around where i live but now that you mention it, i have not noticed any for a few weeks now :d long may it continue.

[vjvousden]

in the phoenix, arizona area i have noticed since sept. more blue sky days than for many years! i give thanks each day i see nothing but blue sky or "normal" clouds! but there have been a few days, yesterday and today for example, where there were 2-4 lines bleeding out or even a half-hearted puff maybe a mile or so long, like they just wanted to use up the very last bit in the tank. so not gone but longer stretches when they don't spray. i've been wondering why "their" money hasn't run out yet...maybe it finally is.
peace and clear air to breath,
valarie

[Meriut]

in the phoenix, arizona area i have noticed since sept. more blue sky days than for many years! i give thanks each day i see nothing but blue sky or "normal" clouds! but there have been a few days, yesterday and today for example, where there were 2-4 lines bleeding out or even a half-hearted puff maybe a mile or so long, like they just wanted to use up the very last bit in the tank. so not gone but longer stretches when they don't spray. i've been wondering why "their" money hasn't run out yet...maybe it finally is.
peace and clear air to breath,
valarie

it seems the same here in sedona,valarie. lately we have more clear days than not and it used to be the other way around. the past few days they have tried, but to no avail. certainly not the icky scuzzy skies it used to produce.

i agree...peace and sweet clean air!!
meriut

[11wanderer11]

here in central texas i hadn't seen any chemtrails for several months, until yesterday afternoon when i was out jogging. i as usual, began thinking thoughts about making the trails dissapear or to become harmless. what's weird is that a ufo appeared in front of the sprayer plane's general direction at that time for about 5-10 seconds and then dissapeared. that's only the second time so far i have seen a ufo (it was a round metallic object) and the other time it also dissapeared shortly after. anyway i resumed my jog after that inclined to think that my message had been received.

[Matthew Clark]

guys,

it appears i spoke too soon :mad:

on thursday morning i left for work and the sky above my house had about 15 of them, all characterised by the familiar criss crossing pattern.

sorry about this one!

matt

[namcap01]

watch this video and ask yourself: what's going on here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iage9f0k1q

enjoy.:d

[Bill]

well, the trails were over the skies of denver again today.

[aquene]

i have heard that there are nature spirits that take the form of clouds called "sylphs" that are helping to reduce the toxic effects of chemtrails. they make beautiful, wispy, feathery clouds and it appears they use the very stuff chemtrails are made of and transform it. obviously, they haven't succeeded in completely eliminating the toxins, but i think if we pray and send them energy, it helps. they love us, and if we love them in return, it strengthens them.

[TheCusp]

i have observed in my local area (lake tahoe) no chemtrails in the last several weeks (the month of sept, 09),

it is important to know, as i have noticed numerous comments from people all over the world that the chemtrails seem to have disappeared and that our skies have been a glorious colors of deep blue, instead of being the fugly white-wash blue that it had been for the last 10 years or so.~seth

i live in ottawa, ontario, and i noticed this as well around the exact same time period.

and up until then i had myself convinced there was nothing to them, that it was just a normal byproduct of flight. (there was an explanation about an improvement in fuel efficiency that did it for me) but for it to completely stop for several weeks just makes no sense. there were still planes flying around in the sky!

the only explanation i can come up with is that it has something to do with weather control, and it stopped right around the turning point between summer and fall. maybe the weather was "just right" during that period and they didn't need to tinker with it. i do remember the weather being fairly consistent in my area.

[Bill]

well, i am sorry and sad to say that the chemtrails were very prevalent over denver again today. it really saddened me, and even brought tears to my eyes. i sent loving thoughts and prayers to the pilots, asking that they realize that they are killing their family as well, and there really is no reason for this...

right after that, i heard the song 'wake me up' by evanescense on the radio... how appropriate...

actually, 'wake me up' is the main phrase.. the song title is 'bring me to life', which is still fitting...

[Alexander]

i have heard that there are nature spirits that take the form of clouds called "sylphs" that are helping to reduce the toxic effects of chemtrails. they make beautiful, wispy, feathery clouds and it appears they use the very stuff chemtrails are made of and transform it. obviously, they haven't succeeded in completely eliminating the toxins, but i think if we pray and send them energy, it helps. they love us, and if we love them in return, it strengthens them.

on a particularly beautiful day a couple weeks ago i saw two huge sylphs in the sky. the interesting thing was is that the sky was completely covered by a thin layer of clouds. i watched as the two slyphs both on other sides of the sky and somewhat different in size and shape, gradually moved through and ate up the clouds. it was beautiful. it was peaceful. it was awesome. when they were done nothing but a blue sky remained.

it's amazing how i never used to notice that which was so clear and right in front of me in the skies.

i've seen them before time to time eating up chemtrails and the like. i'm glad they're on the side of life...

[Bill]

saw plenty of chemtrails again today over denver. tried to picture what the pilots must be thinking, what they know, how they go through with their job, and sent them a burst of forgiveness.

still, irritates me, and saddens me.

[PriestOfLight]

woke this morning in new jersey and saw more chem trails then i have seen in months. it was upsetting to say the least since i haven't seen any for a long time now.

love, light, and wisdom

paul

[Bill]

once again, the skies over denver were littered with chemtrails today. it was really heavy today, to the point where you could easily see the checkerboard pattern across the whole sky. i can't believe no one else notices it. it just stupifies me, but i have a little chat with the pilots, and send them a bit of my heart-felt love.

[Meriut]

we've been covered with chemtrails the past week or so - some days more heavily than others. i try not to be discouraged or angry and send gaia the energy to transmute them...but its hard.

i've been angry about what they've been doing for many years now so i guess its about being conscious and breaking those thought patterns. i wonder though...is it part of it to make us feel anger or feel powerless as we watch them weave their dirty white webs in the sky?

[Bill]

and again today, the skies over denver were being sprayed. by midmorning, there were at least 6 trails easily visible in the sky, and remnants of several other trails dissipating.

is this one last major push? anyone else seeing recent, massive chemtrails in the skies?

[Berry Chastain]

i haven't seen any chemtrails during the day here in dallas for a very long time. but in the last week, we have had terrible smog and haze with doesn't dissipate even when there is a breeze. las night i was out after dark walking my dog as an i looked at the sky which was otherwise clear, i noticed the traces of chemtrails criscrossing over me. it suddenly dawned on me that perhaps the haze and smog we are seeing in the daytime is the results of these chemtrails.

[Bill]

taking my son to school this morning, saw two huge trails in the skies over denver... before 8 am.

[Matthew Clark]

hi,

here is a very interesting video.

talk about caught red handed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gh-eygymba&annotation_id=annotation_365778&feature=iv

matt :)

[vjvousden]

yes, i think they are either playing catch up because they didn't do this much last month or it's the final push like someone said. taking my daughter to school the other day, i counted 8 planes going east and west (4 each way) and a couple flying north spraying furiously and there were already old (spreadout and bleeding) ones probably done before sunrise. hack-gag-cough. it's really bad!

i just find myself locked up in my house more and more because i don't want to be out breathing this stuff! and it's such a shame because i love and miss just being outside!

valarie

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://naturalplane.blogspot.com/2009/11/chem-trails-what-are-they-spraying.html

be well, be love.

david

note: i received this information and email from jim kindle of the committee for promoting clear skies...in reference to chemical spraying and chem trails.

hi lon...the chem trails have started in our area of yuma az. on sat. we had at least 9 planes spraying early in the morning creating whispy looking clouds, the horizon 360 degrees was clear. sunday no spray but today the 26th (10/26/09) we are presently being sprayed again. this time frame has held for several years as soon as the snow birds start to arrive around the end of october the spraying starts. i have pictures that we took last year when 14 planes sprayed for 3 hours. i was hoping you may have researched so you could make this info available to your readers. people normally think these are con trails. one plane on saturday flying east, its trail started east of the gila mountains and it shut off past the california state line which is then desert, con trails do not do this. i believe i told you i received through arizona sky watch 47 pictures showing the same thing happening australia. so if you would like some pictures i will be glad to send them via snail mail plus info i have gathered the last several years. jim

[transiten]

hi vjvoudsen

time was 10:44, this is page 11 and i just posted about myself being locked up emotionally and physically, trying to avoid catching any flu, posting about the eagles power of "rebirthing itself" in the contact-thread and watching the eagle fly in the meditationthread and now i open this thread only to find you live in phoenix the symbol for death and resurrection, one of the 3 symbols of scorpio the sign the sun now travels through.

1 scorpio: the lower passions and drives
2 the eagle soaring high above seeing through it all.
3 the phoenix rising to eternal life reborn admidst it's own flames. also the dove has been connected to this 3:rd spiritual level of this sign.

the transiting scorpio

[TheCusp]

instead of everyone just posting that they saw some, how about posting more pertinent details to give us something to work with. temperatures, humidity and precipitation. heck, these days, posting about days when there aren't any chemtrails would be more relevant than when there are.

a couple of years back there was a major fog that clung to my city for three days, it put a complete stop to chemtrail activity,but the moment that fog broke, they hit the skies full force. there was so much coverage, to me it seemed like they were making up for lost time.

[vjvousden]

today, nov. 16, is the first non-chemtrail day for a long time (phoenix, az). i feel good about being outside today! my throat doesn't feel tight either. i take whatever of these days i can and enjoy the hell out of them!

also, i noticed lately that the so. cal weather site that was recommended by carnican.com has closed its chemtrail satellite map and daily forecasts. it says "closed for ever and ever". hmmmm. wonder why...

more days like these!
val

[intel1]

story about situation in ukraine connecting chemtrails, swine flu and the military:

http://fto.co.za/news/trail-pneumonic-plague-ukraine-chemtrails-spray-fears-vaccine-2009110815746.html
(http://fto.co.za/news/trail-pneumonic-plague-ukraine-chemtrails-spray-fears-vaccine-2009110815746.html)

[evolving]

though i understand the name of this thread, why is the word "again" used at the end. did they ever really stop?

[Bill]

this has been gnawing at me for awhile...

i try to remember that we are all one, and it is not 'they' that are spraying god knows what into our skies. it is 'us', or that part of 'us' that are living out their role. so, why do part of 'us' feel the need to poison the rest of 'us'? because it is part of our beliefs and our role in a sts mode? if that is the case, then are 'we' not living out our role as a catalyst?

does that mean that 'i' have to agree with, or enjoy it? certainly not. i shake my head everytime i am present with the situation... how can 'anyone' of us believe that purposely poisoning others is the 'right' thing to do?

so, the question is, how do 'i' choose to respond? and, i admit, this is a tough one for me. i know that the deep answer is not to hate, and not to want to find and prosecute. i think what i wish to do is understand 'our' perspective, 'our' idea of right. from my growth perspective, i have to understand that this is 'ok' in the sense that 'we' are providing the experiences that allow others to wake-up, and discover who they are. it is then that i can respond from the space i really want to respond from, and that is one of sto.

my friends, that other part of me that chooses to act in self-preservation... i understand that 'you' believe this is right and necessary, but i don't agree. i acknowledge your right to express your free-will, but i also choose to express my free-will. i ask you, in the light and love, to awaken to your consequences, and make a choice. please, stop hurting the rest of us, as what you do to 'others' you do to the 'self'. i see the spirit in you, and i bless that spirit, and ask you to truly wake up to what that spirit wishes to expereince.

[evolving]

my friends, that other part of me that chooses to act in self-preservation... i understand that 'you' believe this is right and necessary, but i don't agree. i acknowledge your right to express your free-will, but i also choose to express my free-will. i ask you, in the light and love, to awaken to your consequences, and make a choice. please, stop hurting the rest of us, as what you do to 'others' you do to the 'self'. i see the spirit in you, and i bless that spirit, and ask you to truly wake up to what that spirit wishes to expereince.

the sad part is, the sts entities doing this to humanity gain polarity in each act which we as stos entities find horrific and an abomination of the spirit. to think of the evil of adolph hitler, genghis khan, or saddam hussein, or others who's acts resulted in the deaths of millions... those men compare in only a small way in comparison to the amount of lives ruined and deaths caused by the current ruling elite, playing with the lives of the world like keys on a piano. for the past 120 years we have been fighting for good, but we were actually fighting for them. when people say war is senseless, only now can we truly understand how senseless it really is and was. i served for eight years, and knowing i as much as worked for these men makes me sick to my stomach.

i also have had thoughts of what to do. being i was 8 years infantry, 3.5 years worth overseas, and have an infant daughter, my survival instincts are rambo strong. a couple weeks ago, however, i had a dream, and to me it was so very significant. it was in the form of having a meal with mahatma gandhi and his wife, and i remembered it vividly; the laughing, the sparkle in his eyes, his sense of humour, and him telling me that things will work out just fine. only with the news of what is happening in the ukraine did the reason come to me of the meaning of what this dream represented to me.

in order to win his battles, gandhi always did passive resistance and provided information to the masses, and thus, i believe that the dream showed me my path. i will do my best to inform the world of what is the truth, though of course without mainstream media. i will not do as the ruling elite desires i do. i will not live in fear, will not get a vax shot, and will not submit my will to theirs, if it means my daughter's and my life. i submit myself wholly and without doubt to the love of the one creator.

i send the ruling elite my love, caring, and understanding, because where they are going on dec 21st 2012 or earlier, they will need it.

"first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win". ~mahatma gandhi

i believe they have ignored us, laughed at us, and are now fighting us. the next thing that happens is up to us.

[namcap01]

i saw the most weirdest thing the other day. i was looking out of my window seeing the skies full of chemtrails when i notice two planes at the same high altitude and they were parallel to each other, they even made the same turns. as the two planes turned and head off in the far distance, both of these planes just suddenly disappeared.

now i have good eyesight, so i try to focus on then to make sure i wasn't playing tricks on myself. there wasn't much clouds in the skies and the only thing remained was the smog effect that chemtrails produces, but my eyes was completely focused on the planes, and they just vanished before they could get out of sight. it was very very weird.

also, i notice a couple of times when i see chemtrails in my area, i see from what looks like a tiny black by-plane circling around high up in the atmosphere, when the rest of the commercial planes are flying so low that you see the markings on it quite well. which is also pretty strange too.

[Tbonyandsteak]

now it is in ukraine as well, but seemingly more comprehensive that what i saw earlier this yaer.

as said on the camelot site.

how obvious they do it, sence they know no media cover it.

:s

[Berry Chastain]

i have gradually seen an increase in chemtrails over north texas in the last week but today it seemed that they were making up for lost time. my partner and i ventured out late morning to take advantage of the "black friday sales" and when we left the house in red oak we saw two planes making trails which were not fading. by the time we got to the stores were were going to shop, we noticed three big trails, two different planes laying more and coincidently an normal jet passenger plain with a contrail with faded a few hundred meters behind it. some say that the atmosphere makes the normal contrails last a long time but when you see the regular contrails dissolving and the chemtrails persisting and spreading out you know what you are seeing.

i have mentioned these chemtrails to my partner a number of times and he poopoos them in the past but today when he saw the evidence he brought it to my attention so he is actually becoming aware of what is going on in our skies, and i think will give more credence to other things i bring to his attention.

meanwhile, i am wondering what the increased intensification of these sprayings are about. don't they think that we have enough respiritory illness in the dallas/fort worth area already?

[Bill]

denver status update: okay, last week, we had 3-4 days where i saw no chemtrails.

it has returned since then... during the day, recently, i noticed something a little different. instead of the trails being the consistent trail that breaks up into a 'fog', these now appeared to start to break up, but looked like there were dissipating as well. change in the formula? watered down? or have they(we) figured out how to disperse the chemicals without leaving such a tell-tale sign?

also, i noticed the other night when i was bringing my car into the garage... from the moonlight i could see relatively fresh chemtrails, so i am wondering if they(we) are spraying at night now, or have they (we) always sprayed at nights as well?

i like to keep reminding myself that it is not some separate, other group of meanies that are spraying, but it is another us that is doing what it believes it is called to do. don't understand the reasoning completely, but i acknowledge their right to believe that, and yet, ask them kindly to stop it each time i see it.

[Chris Hamilton]

i like to think that i am a reasonably wise individual who likes to get back-up for any of these alternate theories that appear everywhere. that's why i like david's science-because he does insert actual studies that lead credence to what has been pseudo-science.

i have to say that i personally never bought into the chemtrail controversy. alot of scare tactics like this just keep the human population in a fearful helpless mindless state. ("ahhh, they [whoever 'they' are] have this all planned and are doing it to us beyond our free will-there is nothing we can do about it!").

so, i decided to look around the net and see what scientifically (instead of fearful rense) is actually true about airplane emissions and their relationship to contrails or chemtrails or what-have-you. there is so much out there that supports my supposition that it is simply the airplanes, sir, and nothing but the airplanes, that are the cause, i thought putting just two of those links would definately be a "good thing" for this group;).

the first one is everything you would want to know about contrails. it gives you a great logical study of them. if you cut off the end and just leave the main site on the link, you can see the rest of what is said about airplanes' emissions.

http://contrailscience.com/chemtrail-plausibility-study/

and here is one that gives us the make-up of airplane emissions:

http://climatelab.org/airplane_emissions

"the principal emissions of aircraft include the greenhouse gases carbon dioxide and water vapor (h2o). other major emissions are nitric oxide (no) and nitrogen dioxide (no2), sulfur oxides (soxo), and soot."

there are over 10 pages of these links when you google. i think that we need to look at airplane emissions with a good dose of logic, which is what i have submitted here. hope you all get something from this :) chris

[Bill]

ok, i had to reply to chris's post. i am an engineer, and rely on science and proof in my every day life... sometimes a bit of a curse...

i can't say that i have seen a truly objective study on the exhausts of jet airplanes. what i can tell you is that i notice that some planes have an emission that does not evaporate, and dissipates to the ground in a fog type patters. i also notice other planes, flying at the similar altitude, emit exhaust which evaporates behind the jet.

so, do some of these aircraft use a 'cleaner' fuel than the others? why is it that the ones that leave the dissipating exhaust follow a grid-like pattern? do we really have commercial flights scheduled over major areas with the same types of patterns?

i would welcome an unbiased, objective analysis of the trails we see in the sky.

[evolving]

contrails from aircraft depend upon the weather/temperature/atmosphere at a specific altitude(s). there must be a mix of hot exhaust/cold air/moisture for contrails to form. this is why they are typically seen at higher altitudes, where it is very cold and a small amount of moisture will condensate from the exhaust heat.

this is all easily predictable stuff, which is why military aircraft don't fly at altitudes with the ability to form contrails on that particular day. the typical fighter pilots brief would state that contrails will form at (example) 28-30,000', thus all combat flights that day would use a service ceiling of 27,500'. each day may be different.

civilian aircraft are not worried about spotlighting themselves, thus fly through or in, as per flight plan, the altitude(s) forming contrails.

[Berry Chastain]

ok, i had to reply to chris's post. i am an engineer, and rely on science and proof in my every day life... sometimes a bit of a curse...

i can't say that i have seen a truly objective study on the exhausts of jet airplanes. what i can tell you is that i notice that some planes have an emission that does not evaporate, and dissipates to the ground in a fog type patters. i also notice other planes, flying at the similar altitude, emit exhaust which evaporates behind the jet.

so, do some of these aircraft use a 'cleaner' fuel than the others? why is it that the ones that leave the dissipating exhaust follow a grid-like pattern? do we really have commercial flights scheduled over major areas with the same types of patterns?

i would welcome an unbiased, objective analysis of the trails we see in the sky.



thank you bill. this has been my conclusion for some time. last weekend actually friday afternoon, i and my partner were out shopping and he brought to my attention all of the trails in the sky. as we watched there was a criss cross of fluffy trails which were not dissapating but spreading out and at the same time we saw a jet crossing over with is contrail going out and disappearing some short distance behind the plane. i pointed out to my partner the difference and confirmed that the ones which were persistant were the chemtrails i had been telling him about.

by the way, someone mentioned seeing them at night. yes i have also seen chemtrails being laid at nightime. they are especially noticable when the sky is clear and a full or bright moon.

[Bill]

well, with a break in the cold weather, 'we' have decided to start spraying again over denver.... today, it is really depressing, at least a dozen visible trails, and in a neat checkerboard pattern.. the whole sky is covered with a thin haze because of the spraying... in case anyone wonders, it is probably in the low 50's very little wind, and there are a few big puffy clouds in the sky.

it saddens me, but makes me wonder, again, if this is a last-effort push, as i have not seen it this bad... my apologies and empathy for mother earth... what the hell are 'we' doing???

[Happystrings]

i just got back to chicago from a trip to denver. bill, you're right there were a lot of chemtrails. the skywas beautifully blue and there were planes spewing out twin chemtrail trakcs. phew!

[JoshERTW]

you can definitely see that some trails linger and some disappear immediately. i have a "buddy" who flies over my town every morning. i'm not sure what to believe about these contrails / chemtrails other than what i observe. we are in a somewhat rural area, near a military base, and every morning (at least when its clear and i can see him, if not he may still be up there above the clouds). the thing is, he will zip across town 3-4 times, leaving a new trail each time, behind the last. i think this may be some sort of cloud seeding, as i've walked to work some mornings with a clear sky, seen this dude dropping his trails, and then twenty minutes later the blue sky is nearly gone. this is pure and wild speculation, but its been done successfully before (vietnam war was all about seeding clouds and extending the rainy season to 'cripple' the enemy).

i saw an interesting history channel documentary called "that's impossible - weather warfare" which mentions this actually. the same docu has some interesting info about haarp (a pretty long discussion actually) and manufactured earthquakes. very cool program.

[Bill]

you can definitely see that some trails linger and some disappear immediately. i have a "buddy" who flies over my town every morning. i'm not sure what to believe about these contrails / chemtrails other than what i observe. we are in a somewhat rural area, near a military base, and every morning (at least when its clear and i can see him, if not he may still be up there above the clouds). the thing is, he will zip across town 3-4 times, leaving a new trail each time, behind the last. i think this may be some sort of cloud seeding, as i've walked to work some mornings with a clear sky, seen this dude dropping his trails, and then twenty minutes later the blue sky is nearly gone. this is pure and wild speculation, but its been done successfully before (vietnam war was all about seeding clouds and extending the rainy season to 'cripple' the enemy).

i saw an interesting history channel documentary called "that's impossible - weather warfare" which mentions this actually. the same docu has some interesting info about haarp (a pretty long discussion actually) and manufactured earthquakes. very cool program.

josh,

have you ever asked your 'buddy' if he is spraying anything into the air?? :d

[JoshERTW]

not so much a personal aquantaince as a "fixture in my reality"

if he ever decides to do an emergency landing and come over for a pint i'll be sure to ask him :)

[Bill]

and, again today, the skies over denver were 'littered' with chemtrails...

trying to think positively... maybe they are just making a smoke screen so we can't see the starships sitting out in space?

[shawnnicolier]

i've noticed chemtrails near where i live. it's getting in the way of my sungazing.:(

[Lightstar]

for those of you who still have any doubt that chemtrails are just extended con-trails, hopefully this testimony will help you discover a solid conclusion.

over the holiday break that i get off of university, i flew from colorado to california to live with my parents for a few weeks. both times that i flew both to california and recently from california, i noticed lower flying jets with very extended "con-trails."

however, most notably was my journey back to colorado from california. i saw 3 total chemtrails. 2 were already sprayed right above some dense overcast that we were flying above, and the other was being sprayed by a plane flying just about the overcast line opposite my plane's direction.

of the two chemtrails already sprayed, 1 of those trails had lingered long enough that it was "bleeding" into the overcast clouds. i mean there was no doubt that this was not water vapor from a con trail. it seemed to be more dense than water because of the way it was bleeding, but i don't know enough about water vapor dynamics to make a solid conclusion about that. anyhow, part of that chem trail that we were flying over was also still solidly a chem trail, it was just a portion of the trail that was bleeding with the oldest part bleeding the most.

now here's the thing, i saw many other planes flying alongside the plane i was flying in. none of the planes that were flying near our altitude, as some were slightly below) had a chemtrail. none.

so there you have it, that definitely was all the proof i needed for myself to believe this "phenomena" to be real. hopefully this will help those of you who are still skeptical come to a more sound conclusion whether or not you "buy" it. (see that's a pun because your tax dollars...).

anyway, have a good day. :d

[ryan]

could there be something new being added to jet fuel? it seems like the trails are coming from every jet in the sky when the conditions are right.

a useful resource for identifying traffic: http://www.flightaware.com

[C-JEAN]

hi, chemtrails watchers !

lightstar, i know what you are talking about.

the worst is: for a while i thought that canada was to insignificant/small to get chemtrails.

welllllllll, i did see some youtube with no doubt chemtrails, over our big cities,
like toronto or montreal with the white...ish lines in the skie ! !

blue skies.

[ryan]

it seems like theres always a ring around the moon lately. anyone else noticing this?

[Meriut]

they (whoever "they" are) have been very busy boys over the sw/az lately. it seems as if we are being covered very heavily the past few weeks- 24/7. probably why there is always a ring around the moon if the skies aren't completely scuzzed over.

the old grid pattern that wasn't happening for a while is currently back full force. just a few minutes ago i noticed a jet flying at a lower altitude (saw it cross beneath a freshly laid chemtrail so i was sure it was lower) lay a "shadow trail"- no white contrail coming from this lower jet but whatever was coming from the engines left a darker trail. have seen this before but its always odd. maybe its all the chemicals in the air above that affects it.....:confused:

sure wish i knew why they are doing this (then again...maybe i don't).

are tptb getting even more desperate and are spraying even more of whatever it is they spray over the planet? argh!

[Bill]

boy oh boy, were we busy? i saw about 6 active chemtrails in denver around 10 am this morning, and that is on top of the dozen or so that were already in the sky.

[Lightstar]

they have been spraying a lot up in ft. collins too where i go to school for the past month or so. also, i have been watching denver get blanketed by the same stuff on my drive home.

interesting times.

cheers.

[Hugh Jorgan]

i work outside in orlando so i have seen super clear days with not even one single contrail or "chemtrail" and literally the next day there will be line after line laid across the sky all day long. my father says he's seen these his whole life and doesn't believe their spraying anything. he believes that when a plane hits a patch of moisture in the sky it creates condensation in the sky leaving trails. with all the false info on the internet its hard to know what to believe.
strange times and strange skies

hj

[Hugh Jorgan]

i am planning on interviewing my friends father. he was in the air force, he was a air traffic controller for 25+ years, and he is currently traveling the world to help implement a new air traffic program for airports around the world(he's out of town 300 days a year). i need some suggestions for questions to ask. anything from ufo's, to policy about ufo's, chemtrails etc. i dont know how "in the know" this man is or how much information he will be willing to share but i plan to find out. im doing this interview purely for my own curiosity and knowledge and i will post the transcript on this thread once i complete the interview.
thx for any help!
hj

[Muse]

hey, my grandson is learning about project cloverleaf in 5th grade. they are teaching the kids these days about chemtrails, saying they spray to protect us from the hole in the ozone.

good thing this whole reality is just a dream, an illusion of great proportion. ;)

what they really are for i doubt we will ever know, because it is a very secret military operation.

[Berry Chastain]

this morning (april 3, 2010) dawned with a crystal clear and bright blue sky. by ten o'clock there were more chemtrails and planes still laying them than at any other time i can remember. within an our the sky appeared to be crisscrossed like a checkerboard viewed at an angle. there was no area of the sky over north texas which didn't have a trail.

by early afternoon, perhaps 1:30 it began to haze over and the it appeared to be a muddy grey overcast which concealed the sun. the forecast today was for clear skies all day.

early this evening, before sunset the overcast began to blow away, but i still saw more chemtrails being distributed.

i think they are trying to keep the sun from brightening our easter morning, perhaps trying to hide something, like maybe the second sun!

[aqcheryl]

hey, my grandson is learning about project cloverleaf in 5th grade. they are teaching the kids these days about chemtrails, saying they spray to protect us from the hole in the ozone.

good thing this whole reality is just a dream, an illusion of great proportion. ;)

what they really are for i doubt we will ever know, because it is a very secret military operation.

ive been 'listening' to this for awhile, and you know i am now wondering about the theories that its too harm us. only because its been years yet and no one is truly getting sick so far as i see. that one problem where those string like things were in the peoples skin...what if its not related.

or what if its related but more like a reaction to what they are putting there, like allergies react to certain things... for example some people like heavy perfumes, but its not a nefarious purpose - yet if i smell them i get sick to my stomach and have to find a bathroom. i have a reaction. and i start to wonder if thats what that was.

of course it could also be an agent sprayed in the atmosphere in preparation for another agent to be introduced that will 'activate' this stuff and then we will be harmed.

but then one could argue on that, its not plausible - theres no true way for this stuff to be confined to any location it could be gone.... though who knows.

but im finding lately my opinions on this are starting to shift. one thing is i listened to linda moulten-howe(sp?) discussing how she interviewed this one person awhile back about these - and they said it was to protect our environment - and this is kind of matching what they are teaching. what if thats actually true? not everything in school is disinformation...

i think there are alot of things the government is doing that needs to be revealed and be suspicious of, but on the other side of the coin, i think theres alot they are doing that is in reality nothing bad - but remember there is a fear campaign going on... what better way to make the public think something is bad... or to get their attention focused on 'that' so they can go do 'this' over there....

in the end i agree, we dont know what its truly for. but ive come to a point that im not so easily convinced anymore that its what most people fear it is. theres disinformation going on even in the awakened groups, but see they wouldnt be smart contenders (the elites) if they didnt try to infiltrate people who are opposition.

edit: i have more info on linda's response, she said that in 1996, she witnessed three videos that showed silver disc shaped objects... she tried to do a paper trail on it but the closest she got to any possible explanation was ed teller who did a presentation in 92-93 in which they proposed a way to control global warming would be to scatter at various different altitudes different metallic particles that would reflect back photons. so that may be whats really going on... or maybe not.

[evolving]

things like low dosage pesticide aluminum and fluoride poisoning do not show up right away accept in a small number of cases. time, inevitably produces the results.

if you think these things aren't affecting people, look at the number of people with any one of many diseases and how those numbers are increasing. one thing is for sure; 100% of all people die. it is just the manner of death which is changing.

think about it like this. drinking alcohol, which is a poison, will not typically kill a person in the short term, but will in the long term. same for smoking, pesticides, aluminum intake, fluoride, etc etc.

the big difference is that in order for the sts elite to gain polarity from poisoning people, they must have the people's consent. if people buy aluminum cookware and use it, that is consent. if people drink the water with fluoride, that is consent. most people will not do anything, and that simply gives consent.

take fluoride for instance:
* death may result from ingesting as little as 2 g of fluoride in an adult
* death may result from ingesting as little as 16 mg/kg in children.
* estimated lethal dose is 5-10 g (32-64 mg/kg) in adults and 500 mg in small children.
* estimated toxic dose for fluoride ingestion is 5-10 mg/kg
* symptoms may appear with 3-5 mg/kg of fluoride.

and yet, people believe the old "it's good for your teeth" lie without question, drink fluoridated water and give it to their children.

one thing is for sure. people being sick is big money, and there is no avenue which has not gone unexplored for exploiting this avenue of bilking people of their money.

what i wonder about (opening a can of worms here), it if the new health care in the us is simply a way of bilking more money out of people.

[aqcheryl]

things like low dosage pesticide aluminum and fluoride poisoning do not show up right away accept in a small number of cases. time, inevitably produces the results.

if you think these things aren't affecting people, look at the number of people with any one of many diseases and how those numbers are increasing. one thing is for sure; 100% of all people die. it is just the manner of death which is changing.

think about it like this. drinking alcohol, which is a poison, will not typically kill a person in the short term, but will in the long term. same for smoking, pesticides, aluminum intake, fluoride, etc etc.

that is true that it acts slow - however ive not suggested that the results are immediate. they have been spraying for over a decade.

my point is just because it logically makes sense, its still speculation until we have hard core proof. i used to be in the camp that i was very certain thats what is going on. now, im not in the opposite camp where im believing its not. im in the camp where im not going to heedlessly jump to conclusions.

it is a possibility, and again i believe it could be - but it can also possibly not be what everyone theorizes.

[clairead]

thank you, evolving. i have been outside the medical paradigm as much as possible since i was fourteen - more than 30 years - and little reminders and salient questions like this are an encouragement that my 'weirdness' is worthwhile. we all die, but i'd prefer it to be of 'natural causes' than unnatural ones. as for universal healthcare in the us - well, it sounds like a good idea - but it's a mandatory payment from the people, so your can of worms is most germane.

[Mikazo]

a few months ago i picked up some crap in my lungs that doesn't want to go away. at the time i saw a doctor who thought it was viral due to the absence of a fever, and advised me to give it time. however when it persisted i talked to a guy i know who does homeopathics, and he said that it's a strain of pertussis he has been seeing in lots of people. he believes that the stuff is coming from chemtrails. he always tells me how they've been spraying and how he watched them do it. i have never personally witnessed it however, and even so, skeptics argue that the vapor trails that don't go away (a common sign) simply take longer to do so due to atmospheric differences and things.

also, the "voice of the white house" author, whom david has referred to many times in his own talks, said once that he doesn't believe in the chemtrail idea, since it would take lots of effort to keep a secret that big.

i'm open to the thought of the existence of chemtrails, but my only question is, what would the motivation be? get people in the clinics and spend money on doctors? gradually erode their health? test low-level bioweapons? it seems there would be many other reasonable ways to do such things that don't involve elaborate conspiracies with airplanes.

[LightEye]

dear friends,

http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/calls_for_massive_chemtrail_spr.html

be well, be love.

david

calls for massive chemtrail spraying spark worldwide mobilization
by william thomas
part 1
blowback

they've finally done it.

chemtrail proponents have pushed too far.

a dozen years after this reporter first broke the chemtrails story for environment news service, corporations and their hired scientists are coming out of the chemtrails closet to urge “geoengineering” earth's wildly skidding climate with an all-out assault of toxic, sunlight-reflecting chemicals continuously spread throughout the upper atmosphere.

despite warnings from the british government and america's top military leaders that worldwide demands for oil will far outstrip supplies by 2015, climate change profiteers hope to capitalize on the failed copenhagen climate change talks by substituting planet-risking techno band-aids for a worldwide shift to renewable energy.

but this time, the same “quick-fix” mindset that brought us ddt, ozone-eating cfcs, global nuclear fallout, a deluge of dna-altering chemicals, personal microwave radiation devices, deep ocean oil well blow-outs, chemtrail spraying, biological warfare, depleted uranium weapons and a seemingly endless “catastrocopia” of similarly innovative disasters may be stopped in time.

[martianboy]

i haven't seen chemtrails over san diego for about 45-60 days now. is anyone seeing them in other areas? we've had them constantly for years now.

if these things are a nwo project, shouldn't we expect them to stop when the nwo people start losing power? it would seem like it might be a indicator of where we are at in this whole process.

[11Flyaway11]

a few months ago i picked up some crap in my lungs that doesn't want to go away. at the time i saw a doctor who thought it was viral due to the absence of a fever, and advised me to give it time. however when it persisted i talked to a guy i know who does homeopathics, and he said that it's a strain of pertussis he has been seeing in lots of people. he believes that the stuff is coming from chemtrails. he always tells me how they've been spraying and how he watched them do it. i have never personally witnessed it however, and even so, skeptics argue that the vapor trails that don't go away (a common sign) simply take longer to do so due to atmospheric differences and things.

also, the "voice of the white house" author, whom david has referred to many times in his own talks, said once that he doesn't believe in the chemtrail idea, since it would take lots of effort to keep a secret that big.

i'm open to the thought of the existence of chemtrails, but my only question is, what would the motivation be? get people in the clinics and spend money on doctors? gradually erode their health? test low-level bioweapons? it seems there would be many other reasonable ways to do such things that don't involve elaborate conspiracies with airplanes.

hi, im sorry about the substance your lungs picked up. ive actually been thinking about that, pertussis. my doctor wanted me to take my routine 10yr tetanus, however with pertussis also included with a one shot dose. i hope im not off topic here but i am very careful with any types of vaccinations since the obvious bird-flu & flu shot scare.
has anyone taking this? do you think this shot would actually help or hinder with chemtrails? btw, what were your symptoms other than absence of fever?

[Bill]

well, i have noticed that i have not seen any chemtrails over denver for at least a week now. amazing to see a clear blue sky, and magnificent, sharp clouds instead.

[Happystrings]

(note to mods: i searched for this topic, but could not find it. please go ahead and post this to that thread.)

i don't know what is going on, but there are a lot of chem trails here over the chicago area lately. :eek:

just got home from work and there were 8 or 9 of them still dissapating in the sky. yesterday i watched as a plane laid out a fresh new trail. what's up? !!!!

[Bill]

seeing the same thing in denver area, pretty heavy yesterday. i thought the cabal had run out of money for such things, but apparently not.

[golden otter]

new mexico's skys are busy with those busy busy bees spraying all thru the day and night. when i first became aware of chemtrails i started to obsess about them. not so any more, now i just wonder who is paying for such an epic project...most likely our tax dollars at work. and then of course why..my theory is they are trying to block those dna upgrades that, from my understanding, are riding in on those cosmic light wave/particles (i'm no physicist) from the photon belt. but i don't think that's doable :). finally, it is to me most stunning that this operation is under way right before the eyes of anyone who cares to look up and notice, but most do not notice.

they did take a break here in nm for awhile but they're back with a vengeance. just fyi;)

[Tim Bravo]

the questions remain, though, right? what are they spraying and why are they doing it?

[techaddict2009]

i woke up today to the sky filled with over san jose california. i took pics as it was obviously unusual. i then turned on the tv to watch the sf giants victory parade as saw chemtrails over san francisco live on tv! not sure if a coincidence but i also developed a sore throat!

techaddict2009
san jose resident

[4D+Bound]

hi all!

i don't do much research on chemtrails but i came across this in my travels. looks fairly new, i don't know if you guys knew about this or not. a good watch that's for sure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-k9rxydmmfw

one love,

4d+

[Dakotah]

hi,
i just watched what in the world are they spraying? on youtube. (i searched for this topic but did not come up with anything, so started another topic. hopefully it will get reposted here.)

the info was basically that the chemtrails are full of aluminium, barium and strontium that is being deposited everywhere on the planet. it is killing plant life by changing soil ph. it is in the bodies of children who eat a 100% organic diet. alzheimers rates are soaring.

this is happening all over the world. the theory is that big companies like monsanto are behind it. it is their goal to create soils full of aluminium so we will be forced to buy gmo seeds from them that are resistant to the aluminium. also there is the theory of protection from global warming.

you can also watch the video here: http://stopgeoengineering.com/

california seems to be really hit hard by the chemtrails effect. grass won't grow, crops won't grow, trees are dying.

what is the answer, david? just sit and wait? i don't know what to do. i get the message about love and keeping a positive outlook, but i find it very difficult. how bad does it have to get?

i love nature, i love the earth and am feeling really disappointed right now.

[Flow Structure]

i appreciate this forum, and this particular thread to share some of the things that i've personally noticed about the jets and their visible emissions overhead where i live.

i have seen a pattern in the timing of the persistent trails: they seem to cover the skies a few days ahead of the frontal systems- when the clouds would normally telegraph the coming of rain with an approaching system days ahead of the storm, the high jets begin leaving their long, spreading hazes- it has become predictable.

with this, the most significant difference in this 'new' weather that i could perceive was the absence of actual rain with these frontal systems.

the old farmers would see a couple of "mare's tails" in the sky, and they knew that it would rain in a few days, but anymore, we see a few dozen "chem-trails" in the sky, and we know that the temperature will change in two or three days, and it will get rather cloudy, but the promise of precipitation no longer seems to exist.

a couple of years ago i heard a news-weather announcer use the term "dry front". he apparently meant that the guarantee of rain with these massive frontal systems sweeping through the county was no longer valid. though i'd never heard the term before then, i had noticed a few dry fronts when our humidity should have precipitated, and was seeing the relationship to the plane activities.

it could be that, because jets are flying at higher altitudes these days, that we see more of these persistent trails, as can be seen in old photos taken during ww2 when everybody was flying higher to avoid being shot down, leaving long white skids checkering the skies above europe.

and it could be that the same atmospheric dynamics causing the old farmer's 'mare's tails' are causing the visibility of the jet activity that is seen before the fronts, but that still doesn't explain the noticeable lack of rain around here, and we need the rain, and i like the rain.

after some study, i decided that whoever or whatever was causing the streaks in the sky, could only do so with my permission, so i spoke directly to the white planes in their checkered sky, "i intend to enjoy the fall rain, and you do not have my permission to stop it, or spray anything over my garden." (or something to that effect!) lo and behold, all the next day, all of the long trails were miles south of me, downwind, not a single trail above me all day. i laughed and thought, "ok, gang, how about nowhere in my sight?" and later they were all gone in the south too. the next night, we got a nice all-night rain shower.
coincide-ence? whatever, i was happy with the results of that little experiment! i did it with no anger, no feelings of needed justice (the past) or fear of their agenda (future) but hey, i just like a little rain! 'they' are already forgiven.

[akuna]

hey there!
ive been seeing these white chemtrails since early spring here in denmark, however, today there were also darker ones. idont know much about weather, but there were maybe 10-15 on top of eachother, looking like these notepad papers with stripes.. i think i saw 3 sections on the sky with these lines, they get me alot more worried then the white ones, does anyone happen to know if this is something that will happen naturally?
i dont see how these would occour, looks more like something been waving, vibrating.. i thought of earthquakes, but theyre not very common over here at all.

any clues what they might be?:confused:

[Dakotah]

flow-i really like your response! i'm going to try that.
yesterday i recorded some planes making chemtrails above our town in kansas. the crazy part was 3 different planes left a trail then at roughly the same point in the sky there was a break in their exhaust. the trail became clear for a bit, then continued. but then it was obviously a contrail, exhaust that evaporated. the planes all were traveling east to west and all changed from chemtrails to contrails at roughly the same longitude. the planes all disappeared on their way west, but the true chemtrails were left behind to float off in a northeast direction.

[Tim Bravo]

flow-i really like your response! i'm going to try that.
yesterday i recorded some planes making chemtrails above our town in kansas.

dakotah, where in kansas are you? i'm in wichita.

everybody, if you go to the very first post in this thread from like 2007, david gives an explanation that the rest of us coming along later seem to have missed. go back, re-read - and remember ascension is only 751 days away. i think it's time to start worrying a lot less about what "they" are doing and focus on what we need to do to increase the harvest.

the meek shall inherit the earth.

[Dakotah]

hi tim. i'm in winfield.

[Tim Bravo]

in october my family paid a visit to an individual who works in a supervisory position in the faa. while there, he told me about having to take phone calls from angry lunatics who were convinced the government was spraying chemicals through jet contrails. these loonies wanted to know what they were spraying.

he couldn't understand how these people don't get that jet exhaust leaves contrails in the sky; crystallized ice particles in a trail. we were sitting out in his backyard as he related this story, and we were able to see many a jet flying overhead. these jets were leaving contrails. normal contrails. the kind i grew up with. they'd hang out behind the jet, but were never more than say 30-50 times the length of the jet itself. the contrails would dissipate, presumably as the sun warmed the crystals beyond freezing.

but i live in wichita, ks. i see what are known as chemtrails all the time. i know exactly what these so-called "loonies" are talking about. you may have heard or read about criss-cross or hatch patterns in the sky stretching from horizon to horizon like some sort of covert game of tic-tac-toe. we see it often.

i grew up watching the skies. my parents wouldn't let me stay inside and watch tv all day, thank god. i would be entertained watching contrails dissipate. i would try to figure out how long it took between the moment the crystals formed to the moment they were no longer visible. we're talking the matter of a minute, two at most. then one day after i was a young adult, i noticed the contrails seems to last a lot longer. it seemed to change overnight.

these days, i see both frequently. it's not unheard of to see both at the same time. according to david wilcock (http://divinecosmos.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9074), who claims to have insider information on a number of things, what we call "chemtrails" are very real and serve three purposes:


1. seed clouds for rain, 2. provide a reflective shield for haarp experimentation, and 3. reflect sunlight back into space to try to offset global warming.
not only do these trails stay in the air long after the jet has crossed the horizon, the trails begin to feather out. over the course of literally hours they sit there and become like a patch of overcast sky. and thus, the criss-cross patterns start to make sense. as they spread out, they turn an otherwise clear blue sky into a completely cloudy day. w. t. f.

this morning as i stepped outside for work, i immediately noticed a plane leaving a chemtrail. it had nearly made it to my western horizon and my eye followed the trail it had left as far as i could see to the east. so i took out my handy-dandy android and started snapping pictures. what you see below is a splicing of 5 separate photos to show you how the trail literally goes from horizon to horizon. and it wasn't the only one.
there as another identical to it, and perfectly parallel. it appeared as if others had been laid before dawn, as there were perfectly linear patches of "overcast" running the same direction.

what i don't get is how they can pretend we're so stupid as to not notice these things. they refuse to acknowledge what they're doing. people like my faa contact label citizens bold enough to question it "loonies". and they just keep doing it. kind of like the mass demonstration of ufos over manhattan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksobktl2vio) in october in the broad daylight, seen by thousands and covered by cbs. why is no one talking about this?!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vqbgzw9mcl4/tpkpks9gioi/aaaaaaaaadq/pp6jqibjebk/s320/pointing.jpg

well, i'm talking about it. hopefully, you will, too. and feel free to start paying attention to what's going on in the sky - whether it be chemtrails or even ufos.

so, check out this image. note that the brighter part of the chemtrail is actually the oldest part of the chemtrail. it's being lit by the sun in the east. you can't see it, but the plane is still laying down the chemicals on the western horizon at the bottom of the image.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_vqbgzw9mcl4/tpkmqhnakci/aaaaaaaaadm/17ncczvtvay/s1600/contrailmyass.jpg

[Dakotah]

i think it's time to start worrying a lot less about what "they" are doing and focus on what we need to do to increase the harvest.


hi tim,

i find it so interesting that in your next to last post you have the above quote, which made me feel as if you were saying yes, there are chemtrails, but we really don't have to worry about them. then, in your last post, you write at length and somewhat defensively about chemtrails and that they are real.

i point this out because it is so interesting to me and i wonder if you are, at all, feeling the way i do about things these days. i certainly vacillate between feeling that positive love and joy on some days and feeling downright despair on others. your messages say to me eh, let's not worry about it, but also why isn't anyone talking about this? does this make sense?

do you ever feel you are bouncing back and forth between having a grip on what's going on and then feeling extremely frustrated about what is happening? i know i sure do! i feel torn between giving it my attention and trying not to worry about it.

i'm glad people are talking about it. there are just so many issues and things i feel people should know about but i also feel pressed on from all sides. i don't know where to begin.

yesterday and today the sky over winfield was a mess. it was completely criss crossed with chemtrails and you could see old ones that had spread out like a big mass of haze. today i noticed my sense of smell was extremely (overly) sensitive and my brain is very fuzzy. i'm sure it has to do with the chemicals. it's depressing. it's winter. i should at least be able to enjoy a blue sky.

[Tim Bravo]

yeah, that sky belongs to all of us and it is disappointing that they'd choose to muck it up for everyone.

i hear ya, dakotah. i, too, have noticed that i 'vacillate" between optimism and frustration. i don't think the states need be mutually exclusive. since we're both experiencing it, i'd say it's probably normal for us to feel positively about the future while simultaneously feeling frustrated with the lack of acknowledgement by our fellow citizens - not to mention journalists who don't feel a need to delve deeper than one official's explanation of whatever the subject may be, whether it's chemtrails or ufos over nyc (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2010/11/10/did-you-see-the-fire-in-the-nyc-sky/) (must be some new supersonic jet they haven't told us about!).

ultimately, one phrase uttered throughout the bible by angels and christ alike rings true, "be not afraid". everything seems to be wrapping up nicely, and it's a wonder to watch it unfold. i just feel a little incredulity at the lack of awareness within the public-at-large.

nice blue sky today, though, huh? ;)

[calusa]

let's get something straight. why would people wanting to poision other people want to spray with chemicals that leave a visible mark in the sky? they would use chemicals that simply fall to earth without being seen... obviously. has anyone ever seen planes spraying pesticides? not exactly contrail looking are they?

[jstern1028]

hi everyone,

i am new to this forum. i also just submitted the following (with a little editing here)
to the "comments" for david's blog and thought i should share it here too.:

“thank you for all your very hard work david. the verifiability of this looks impressive
too. and yet, the question begs itself: what about the chemtrails? i will truly, truly believe all this positive news when they stop.

but, alas, still, they continue. even today here in oregon. yes, it probably take a while for
all the murder to stop as the systems get dismantled. yet, one would think that, if the
122 nation cabal has any leverage now, you would think that the first thing they say is

"cease immediately with the systematic and murderous attacks on the people." or is the cabal also fooled into thinking this program is needed for ceasing global warming? or do they simply not have enough clout yet to do anything about this? i sure would like to know.

and i am sure that others reading this would too. in the meantime, my own efforts will not stop until this program stops. for those of want to take direct action, check out "orgonite and chemtrails." on the internet. orgonite does work! i have first-hand experience on many levels.”

comments?

warmly,
john

[PriestOfLight]

NJ has been getting hit more than usual. People seemed to get sick intermediately after. I have no idea what is going on. I keep thinking I can do anything, but if I open my mouth even in a slick way it gets brushed off. I don't get it. I am starting to feel like I am losing a sense of reality.

Priest of Light

[Zorro]

I haven't heard David Wilcock mention anything about chemtrails or aerosol spraying but I am fairly new to his work. So if any of you know of any videos or instances where he specifically mentions this please point me to them. When I first realized that this phenomenon is real, I was truly devastated. I think that it blew a whole in my psyche to such an extent that I have not recovered to this day. The first thing that I did was decide to devote the rest of my life to putting an end to geoengineering. Then I contacted my representatives. Then I made numerous copies of the movie "What in The World Are They Spraying" because I realized it would raise awareness and give me the numbers of people I needed. I then realized that I would have to distribute them on a massive and obvious spray day so that I could point to what was happening so that people would be able to see with their own eyes. I have only given out a few copies because a dilemma regarding chemtrails has arisen for me. The dilemma is this: Is it more important to raise awareness or is it more important to impart a message of hope and freedom. Is it fair to destroy someone else's worldview by pointing this out to them? I could just as easily hand out pamphlets with a list of natural remedies that help cure disease. Or I could hand out pamphlets describing the benefits of a raw diet....etc. By focusing on the positives of a healthy diet, I would essentialy be teaching people that they are free and powerful. If I hand out pamphlets and information about chemtrails, am I, in essence, teaching people that they are powerless?

A good friend told me that the messenger is not responsible for how the message is received nor is the messenger responsible for what the receiver does with the message; and I see her point. However, I'm just not sure about this. The chemtrail phenomena has raised a larger issue for me about my overall role in life. I really would like to teach people that they are free divine beings despite the illusions of this world. On the other hand, I cannot ignore what I am seeing in the sky on almost a daily basis. If I was more advanced spiritually I believe that I would not be struggling with these issues on an intellectual level. I would just KNOW, on a moment by moment basis, what I was supposed to do. Because I would be divinely guided. But my life path, which included familial and societal pressures, has taught me to systematically ignore, discount, and distrust my intuition. I hope to regain my connection to divine guidance soon.

I would love to know what David's views on chemtrails are. In a recent video with Bill Ryan, Kerry Cassidy, and Bill Wood; David WIlcock indicated that this year the sun would spew out massive amount of tiny time traveling wormholes. I wondered if maybe the chemtrails were designed to provide a shield against these tiny wormholes. There are so many questions I have regarding this the chemtrail phenomena and this sometimes leads me to the conclusion that I should just keep my mouth shut. Has anyone else experienced this dilemma?