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Jeremy''s mail

01-12-2001, 08:10 AM

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> absolutely agree with you on this. sure, since we all are part of a greater whole, then our dreams are just one part of the entire cosmic experience that we all share. certainly the fact the we are all one means that world issues are just as much a provence of the individual as personal issues. 
> the key to this, i believe, is one of pragmatism: which level of the dream will you benefit the most from? which is easier to understand and more readily understood: yourself or the intricate weavings of world history? do you better yourself and, as a result, the entire world by gaining a better understanding of yourself, or of everyone else? 
> although there can be world issues that one needs to pay attention to and understand, dw makes it very clear that a lot of these world issues are dramas that reflect what is happening on a more personal level. it's your choice as to what level you want to interpret *any* event at, including dreams, but it seems to me that you can most directly respond to such a message as a dream by interpreting it at a level where it means the most to you. that's using the message-bearing capacity of a dream to the maximum.
> just my opinion though...
> what's funny about this, though, is that it means that all the world readings dw does and all the client readings that include dreams, the dreams have messages for dw just as much as the client or the public. kinda gives you an idea of how open you have to be to do this kind of work.
> good to see discussion on the list again. one question about dreams i'd like to throw out: are there any generally applicable interpretations for guns in dreams? i've had two dreams in the past 3 or 4 days in which i have been in a situation where i was to shoot an animal - and i wouldn't. just looking for a starting point on this one as i am not a violent person or anything and have no idea where this came from (although one of the animals that i was about to shoot was a little aligator which was direct mental leakage from watching that movie "any given sunday" (don't waste your time, btw!))
> alright, enough "drivel" for now :-)
> love / light,
> jeremy
>-----original message-----
from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
to: asc2k@egroups.com <asc2k@egroups.com>
date: friday, january 12, 2001 10:50 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] lastnt dream


>one brief point. you certainly can have a class of dreams that encompass the "bigger picture" but you always need to make sure that you have exhausted the metaphors that tie it into yourself.
>
>- david
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>
<tt>clark stewart wrote:

>s'up yall family members,
>
>had a weird dream last night, i say weird cause i'm not sure of the
>metaphoric-symbology at play..maybe you peeps do..?
>so i'm with some friends , were driving in a big van. i am in the
very back
>(3rd row), sitting beside a friend that was sitting halfway out the
door,
>like the door is open. i think he felt more comfortable that way..
>we were returning to our hotel at some kind of resort(probably the
canadian
>rockies), i started talking in this "apu"/w.indies voice and everyone
was
>laughing. we pulled up to this check in area, and the whole vibe
changed..
>i saw this guard style man on patrol and he was wearing a turban, i
also saw
>that he had a star of david amulet in his possession..
>it was like he had confiscated it from someone at our hotel..
>now i'm not so sure i am in canada anymore..!
>so we proceed up these stairs to our room, which was on the top
floor. the
>stairs were spiraling clockwise.
>as we walked by the other rooms (on the way up), the nice looking
hotel on
>the outside looked like poverty brooklyn style apartment complex on
the
>inside.
>i saw at every door a weight lifting set, or whatever the person had
>weightlifting related. ie barbells, benchpress, etc
>it seemed that they had been removed , i'm thinking by those sheik
guys??
>
>{at this point i had got the impression that, this had something to do
with
>what was going on with the middle east. which i don't follow all that
much.
>and that the weights had to do with burden that is being placed on the
grid
>through what is happening there..
>but.. the weights are being removed out of the "rooms", which also
tells me
>that this burden is going to illeviate as we climb, in this case the
>"stairs"..=ascension steps to 2013.
>up at the end of these stairs we approached our room, we ended up
bumping
>into a roomate. when i asked him how things were and if these gaurds
were
>rumedging through our stuff in the room...his responce was soo cool,
like in
>ain't no thing..
>like it all happens for a reason, a divine one at that..
>
>{this was definetly a faith reassurer to me, but yet i reflect on what
dw
>mentioned in a previous email.. where he said ,

"main rule: every person, every event, every house, every vehicle of
transport,
everything is about yourself. that's the law. don't be stupid! stop
trying to
analyze your dream any other
way and you're on the right track. resist temptation and tie everything
into
yourself. that includes the issues dealing with other characters -
unless you
can find a specific tie-in to a
given relationship or situation with others - and this does happen
fairly often
but it is still an issue that impacts yourself."

my vibe here his telling that i disagree, i believe that these
dreams
on one level is our self.
but like a crop circle/ great pyramid/ mayan calendar/etc there is a
multi
leveled facet to all aspects of consciousness, this very much includes
dreaming..
so now if we look at my dream , sure it has to do with me, but now what
is it
saying abroad. like through the grid.
and if this grid is apart of the cosmic superstring, then we know it
vibrates
through all the densities/dimensions.

what i seem to be showing is that yes dw will be inaccurate from time to
time
and it is up to us to keep each other on our toes..note i said
inaccurate not
wrong/right, and his inaccuracy (of my account) could dam well be great
for
some of us, but as dw said, "as it turns out, dreams are narcissistic -
they
'almost' always have to do solely with
you."
{narcissim to me seems ego-centric, and that we all see things
relativistic/
our perspective.
or further,dw re clarify's himself, "that includes the issues dealing
with
other characters - unless you can find a specific tie-into a given
relationship
or situation with others - and this does happen fairly often but it is
still an
issue that impacts yourself."

comments..?

in l/l,
clark
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Clark stewart

01-12-2001, 07:30 PM

clark stewart wrote:

>s'up yall family members,
>
>had a weird dream last night, i say weird cause i'm not sure of the
>metaphoric-symbology at play..maybe you peeps do..?
>so i'm with some friends , were driving in a big van. i am in the
very back
>(3rd row), sitting beside a friend that was sitting halfway out the
door,
>like the door is open. i think he felt more comfortable that way..
>we were returning to our hotel at some kind of resort(probably the
canadian
>rockies), i started talking in this "apu"/w.indies voice and everyone
was
>laughing. we pulled up to this check in area, and the whole vibe
changed..
>i saw this guard style man on patrol and he was wearing a turban, i
also saw
>that he had a star of david amulet in his possession..
>it was like he had confiscated it from someone at our hotel..
>now i'm not so sure i am in canada anymore..!
>so we proceed up these stairs to our room, which was on the top
floor. the
>stairs were spiraling clockwise.
>as we walked by the other rooms (on the way up), the nice looking
hotel on
>the outside looked like poverty brooklyn style apartment complex on
the
>inside.
>i saw at every door a weight lifting set, or whatever the person had
>weightlifting related. ie barbells, benchpress, etc
>it seemed that they had been removed , i'm thinking by those sheik
guys??
>
>{at this point i had got the impression that, this had something to do
with
>what was going on with the middle east. which i don't follow all that
much.
>and that the weights had to do with burden that is being placed on the
grid
>through what is happening there..
>but.. the weights are being removed out of the "rooms", which also
tells me
>that this burden is going to illeviate as we climb, in this case the
>"stairs"..=ascension steps to 2013.
>up at the end of these stairs we approached our room, we ended up
bumping
>into a roomate. when i asked him how things were and if these gaurds
were
>rumedging through our stuff in the room...his responce was soo cool,
like in
>ain't no thing..
>like it all happens for a reason, a divine one at that..
>
>{this was definetly a faith reassurer to me, but yet i reflect on what
dw
>mentioned in a previous email.. where he said ,

"main rule: every person, every event, every house, every vehicle of
transport,
everything is about yourself. that's the law. don't be stupid! stop
trying to
analyze your dream any other
way and you're on the right track. resist temptation and tie everything
into
yourself. that includes the issues dealing with other characters -
unless you
can find a specific tie-in to a
given relationship or situation with others - and this does happen
fairly often
but it is still an issue that impacts yourself."

my vibe here his telling that i disagree, i believe that these
dreams
on one level is our self.
but like a crop circle/ great pyramid/ mayan calendar/etc there is a
multi
leveled facet to all aspects of consciousness, this very much includes
dreaming..
so now if we look at my dream , sure it has to do with me, but now what
is it
saying abroad. like through the grid.
and if this grid is apart of the cosmic superstring, then we know it
vibrates
through all the densities/dimensions.

what i seem to be showing is that yes dw will be inaccurate from time to
time
and it is up to us to keep each other on our toes..note i said
inaccurate not
wrong/right, and his inaccuracy (of my account) could dam well be great
for
some of us, but as dw said, "as it turns out, dreams are narcissistic -
they
'almost' always have to do solely with
you."
{narcissim to me seems ego-centric, and that we all see things
relativistic/
our perspective.
or further,dw re clarify's himself, "that includes the issues dealing
with
other characters - unless you can find a specific tie-into a given
relationship
or situation with others - and this does happen fairly often but it is
still an
issue that impacts yourself."

comments..?

in l/l,
clark
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David Wilcock

01-12-2001, 07:49 PM

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>one brief point. you certainly can have a class of dreams that encompass the "bigger picture" but you always need to make sure that you have exhausted the metaphors that tie it into yourself.
>
>- david
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style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: clark stewart (fudoshin09@hotmail.com)
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@egroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: friday, january 12, 2001 10:30 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] lastnt dream
>
<tt>clark stewart wrote:

>s'up yall family members,
>
>had a weird dream last night, i say weird cause i'm not sure of the
>metaphoric-symbology at play..maybe you peeps do..?
>so i'm with some friends , were driving in a big van. i am in the
very back
>(3rd row), sitting beside a friend that was sitting halfway out the
door,
>like the door is open. i think he felt more comfortable that way..
>we were returning to our hotel at some kind of resort(probably the
canadian
>rockies), i started talking in this "apu"/w.indies voice and everyone
was
>laughing. we pulled up to this check in area, and the whole vibe
changed..
>i saw this guard style man on patrol and he was wearing a turban, i
also saw
>that he had a star of david amulet in his possession..
>it was like he had confiscated it from someone at our hotel..
>now i'm not so sure i am in canada anymore..!
>so we proceed up these stairs to our room, which was on the top
floor. the
>stairs were spiraling clockwise.
>as we walked by the other rooms (on the way up), the nice looking
hotel on
>the outside looked like poverty brooklyn style apartment complex on
the
>inside.
>i saw at every door a weight lifting set, or whatever the person had
>weightlifting related. ie barbells, benchpress, etc
>it seemed that they had been removed , i'm thinking by those sheik
guys??
>
>{at this point i had got the impression that, this had something to do
with
>what was going on with the middle east. which i don't follow all that
much.
>and that the weights had to do with burden that is being placed on the
grid
>through what is happening there..
>but.. the weights are being removed out of the "rooms", which also
tells me
>that this burden is going to illeviate as we climb, in this case the
>"stairs"..=ascension steps to 2013.
>up at the end of these stairs we approached our room, we ended up
bumping
>into a roomate. when i asked him how things were and if these gaurds
were
>rumedging through our stuff in the room...his responce was soo cool,
like in
>ain't no thing..
>like it all happens for a reason, a divine one at that..
>
>{this was definetly a faith reassurer to me, but yet i reflect on what
dw
>mentioned in a previous email.. where he said ,

"main rule: every person, every event, every house, every vehicle of
transport,
everything is about yourself. that's the law. don't be stupid! stop
trying to
analyze your dream any other
way and you're on the right track. resist temptation and tie everything
into
yourself. that includes the issues dealing with other characters -
unless you
can find a specific tie-in to a
given relationship or situation with others - and this does happen
fairly often
but it is still an issue that impacts yourself."

my vibe here his telling that i disagree, i believe that these
dreams
on one level is our self.
but like a crop circle/ great pyramid/ mayan calendar/etc there is a
multi
leveled facet to all aspects of consciousness, this very much includes
dreaming..
so now if we look at my dream , sure it has to do with me, but now what
is it
saying abroad. like through the grid.
and if this grid is apart of the cosmic superstring, then we know it
vibrates
through all the densities/dimensions.

what i seem to be showing is that yes dw will be inaccurate from time to
time
and it is up to us to keep each other on our toes..note i said
inaccurate not
wrong/right, and his inaccuracy (of my account) could dam well be great
for
some of us, but as dw said, "as it turns out, dreams are narcissistic -
they
'almost' always have to do solely with
you."
{narcissim to me seems ego-centric, and that we all see things
relativistic/
our perspective.
or further,dw re clarify's himself, "that includes the issues dealing
with
other characters - unless you can find a specific tie-into a given
relationship
or situation with others - and this does happen fairly often but it is
still an
issue that impacts yourself."

comments..?

in l/l,
clark
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David Wilcock

01-13-2001, 10:11 AM

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>clark, most of your interpretation seems right on; just look at what those people could represent in yourself. what part of your own psyche still wants to create situations of hardship and rummage through the more enlightened parts? obviously this is about getting rid of the weights in your path - and the van is a vehicle of ascension, a very common metaphor. 
>
>jeremy, good going with your response. i did realize that i needed an amendment to my dream checklist, and that would involve the meaning of animals, which represent the lower self. thus your dreams with the gun are actually very similar to dreams that i have been having lately and that i think many lightworkers have been having, since a client of sabrina's was having these types of dreams as well. it is all about killing off the ego self in favor of bolstering the strength of the higher self. not killing literally, but rather metaphorically. the latest reading from the other night goes into further prescient detail about this, and i will most likely post those last two readings together on the website sometime today.
>
>you might be interested to know that i am very strongly looking into getting the books published as ebooks, meaning that they would be printed digitally on demand. the main thing i would need is a book cover. so if anyone out there knows someone skilled in computer graphic rendering, i might be game. for "convergence iii" i think i will want an image not unlike the one on the site with the galaxy that has an axis, except that it should be a spherical torus around the galaxy, broken up into gradations of color as an octave in horizontal segments, just as seen in the crop graphic i posted in chapter six of masson's book.
>
>everyone caterwauls about not wanting to read off the net and this should be the best way to do it. the original material would still be available but you could get the ebook and there might be some "bonus" info in there as well... the dreams have been suggesting that i add / subtract / revamp shift again, including devoting a whole 'atlantis section' instead of just weaving it in as it goes along - and that would allow me to not have to write convergence iii book ii. the readings seem very intent on having me completely finish my academic-related book writing endeavors soon.
>
>i have also been given very clear notice of the deadline, so to speak. they expect that by "no later than" summer 2002 the long-prophesied economic collapse will have arrived, and that there will be many events that lead up to that over the time remaining. so whatever i do i need to ( and we should also think this way ) get ready for this now. this was in a level of trance so deep that i have no doubt in the value of the data - and for me to say that is rare, since i don't intrinsically trust psychic readings, for the most part, since many have built themselves up into worlds of delusion from their own "channeling." 
>
>peace be with you -
>
>- david
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>

> absolutely agree with you on this. sure, since we all are part of a greater whole, then our dreams are just one part of the entire cosmic experience that we all share. certainly the fact the we are all one means that world issues are just as much a provence of the individual as personal issues. 
> the key to this, i believe, is one of pragmatism: which level of the dream will you benefit the most from? which is easier to understand and more readily understood: yourself or the intricate weavings of world history? do you better yourself and, as a result, the entire world by gaining a better understanding of yourself, or of everyone else? 
> although there can be world issues that one needs to pay attention to and understand, dw makes it very clear that a lot of these world issues are dramas that reflect what is happening on a more personal level. it's your choice as to what level you want to interpret *any* event at, including dreams, but it seems to me that you can most directly respond to such a message as a dream by interpreting it at a level where it means the most to you. that's using the message-bearing capacity of a dream to the maximum.
> just my opinion though...
> what's funny about this, though, is that it means that all the world readings dw does and all the client readings that include dreams, the dreams have messages for dw just as much as the client or the public. kinda gives you an idea of how open you have to be to do this kind of work.
> good to see discussion on the list again. one question about dreams i'd like to throw out: are there any generally applicable interpretations for guns in dreams? i've had two dreams in the past 3 or 4 days in which i have been in a situation where i was to shoot an animal - and i wouldn't. just looking for a starting point on this one as i am not a violent person or anything and have no idea where this came from (although one of the animals that i was about to shoot was a little aligator which was direct mental leakage from watching that movie "any given sunday" (don't waste your time, btw!))
> alright, enough "drivel" for now :-)
> love / light,
> jeremy
>-----original message-----
from: david wilcock <djw333@exis.net>
to: asc2k@egroups.com <asc2k@egroups.com>
date: friday, january 12, 2001 10:50 pm
subject: re: [asc2k] lastnt dream


>one brief point. you certainly can have a class of dreams that encompass the "bigger picture" but you always need to make sure that you have exhausted the metaphors that tie it into yourself.
>
>- david
<blockquote style="padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; border-left: #000000 2px solid; margin-right: 0px">
style="font: 10pt arial">----- original message -----
style="background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: black">from: clark stewart (fudoshin09@hotmail.com)
style="font: 10pt arial">to: asc2k@egroups.com
style="font: 10pt arial">sent: friday, january 12, 2001 10:30 pm
style="font: 10pt arial">subject: [asc2k] lastnt dream
>
<tt>clark stewart wrote:

>s'up yall family members,
>
>had a weird dream last night, i say weird cause i'm not sure of the
>metaphoric-symbology at play..maybe you peeps do..?
>so i'm with some friends , were driving in a big van. i am in the
very back
>(3rd row), sitting beside a friend that was sitting halfway out the
door,
>like the door is open. i think he felt more comfortable that way..
>we were returning to our hotel at some kind of resort(probably the
canadian
>rockies), i started talking in this "apu"/w.indies voice and everyone
was
>laughing. we pulled up to this check in area, and the whole vibe
changed..
>i saw this guard style man on patrol and he was wearing a turban, i
also saw
>that he had a star of david amulet in his possession..
>it was like he had confiscated it from someone at our hotel..
>now i'm not so sure i am in canada anymore..!
>so we proceed up these stairs to our room, which was on the top
floor. the
>stairs were spiraling clockwise.
>as we walked by the other rooms (on the way up), the nice looking
hotel on
>the outside looked like poverty brooklyn style apartment complex on
the
>inside.
>i saw at every door a weight lifting set, or whatever the person had
>weightlifting related. ie barbells, benchpress, etc
>it seemed that they had been removed , i'm thinking by those sheik
guys??
>
>{at this point i had got the impression that, this had something to do
with
>what was going on with the middle east. which i don't follow all that
much.
>and that the weights had to do with burden that is being placed on the
grid
>through what is happening there..
>but.. the weights are being removed out of the "rooms", which also
tells me
>that this burden is going to illeviate as we climb, in this case the
>"stairs"..=ascension steps to 2013.
>up at the end of these stairs we approached our room, we ended up
bumping
>into a roomate. when i asked him how things were and if these gaurds
were
>rumedging through our stuff in the room...his responce was soo cool,
like in
>ain't no thing..
>like it all happens for a reason, a divine one at that..
>
>{this was definetly a faith reassurer to me, but yet i reflect on what
dw
>mentioned in a previous email.. where he said ,

"main rule: every person, every event, every house, every vehicle of
transport,
everything is about yourself. that's the law. don't be stupid! stop
trying to
analyze your dream any other
way and you're on the right track. resist temptation and tie everything
into
yourself. that includes the issues dealing with other characters -
unless you
can find a specific tie-in to a
given relationship or situation with others - and this does happen
fairly often
but it is still an issue that impacts yourself."

my vibe here his telling that i disagree, i believe that these
dreams
on one level is our self.
but like a crop circle/ great pyramid/ mayan calendar/etc there is a
multi
leveled facet to all aspects of consciousness, this very much includes
dreaming..
so now if we look at my dream , sure it has to do with me, but now what
is it
saying abroad. like through the grid.
and if this grid is apart of the cosmic superstring, then we know it
vibrates
through all the densities/dimensions.

what i seem to be showing is that yes dw will be inaccurate from time to
time
and it is up to us to keep each other on our toes..note i said
inaccurate not
wrong/right, and his inaccuracy (of my account) could dam well be great
for
some of us, but as dw said, "as it turns out, dreams are narcissistic -
they
'almost' always have to do solely with
you."
{narcissim to me seems ego-centric, and that we all see things
relativistic/
our perspective.
or further,dw re clarify's himself, "that includes the issues dealing
with
other characters - unless you can find a specific tie-into a given
relationship
or situation with others - and this does happen fairly often but it is
still an
issue that impacts yourself."

comments..?

in l/l,
clark
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Clark stewart

01-14-2001, 12:54 AM

>
>word brothers, you guys a true blessing...

feel great today, scored 2 goals in a indoor soccer game..you know i felt
good that i scored the goals but i didn't want to be dealing with the spot
light..but it hits you any way, and your crown chakra just goes off..
like i had seen others score and you can see the flux of nrg asscociated
with pride..?ego...? satisfaction..?
i thought that was a self influenced thing, but it seems it has a lot to do
with others focusing on you..
i am starting to see how proportional the ego is involved is how much it is
interferring..
the second hurt a little more so i wasn't as influenced as much..
just some weird realizations, at times during the game i didn't feel human,
like i just hovered over everyones ego, just as a witness.
like competetion based things are weird, or now they are anyways..
don't see what the fuss is about losing a game 3-7 when you gave it your
best..

well until the clothing web site goes up i'll post a couple x-mas photos of
the designs..as soon as there devoloped..

and dw i am fully interested in doing a front cover design!!!!!!

i'm thankfull that you were very specific as i know what your looking for..
ah, masson's book, wheres that link..?ch.6 for the crop pic..
and thats not to say that others if wanting shouldn't also persue this
project.

further comments about your dream jer, the animal metaphor is specific.
rather then a general ego "killing" it is specifying the animalistic
characteristics of the ego, which would be with the two base chakras.
the fact that it was a little alegator might also hold some more clues, but
i'm not sure how much was borrowed from the movie.
little could mean little hurdles that need to be jumped for your
deliverance.
the gun is telling me that you are in control, your the one who decides to
pull the trigger/decission.
you haven't been eating veal lately , have you...smiles
no laughs cause killing baby anything ain't cool....ok moskitos is a
exception..laughs!@$#

peace in the infinite trinity of omni-oneness.
to yall

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Jeremy''s mail

01-14-2001, 12:12 PM

your thoughts on competition are interesting. i've been thinking the
same thing... it feels really good to put your all into something, even as
arbitrary as a game, but it is very ego-influenced. i sometimes really do
wonder if there is anything redeeming about competition.
thanks (to you and david) for helping with the dream interpretation. i
really need to get back into the routine of writing down my dreams every
night, as well as cleaning up my diet, etc. i dunno, i have a hard time
with commitments to stuff like that. it takes a lot of energy to make
myself conform to something with a bigger picture than the expediency of the
moment. plus, whenever i get in a routine like that, and i mess it up, i
use that as an excuse to completely part ways with my routine. i suspect
that there are flaws in my whole outlook and attitude concerning these
things. i've thought about it a lot and it seems like it always comes down
to what you want. the key, as i see, is to want so badly to stick to the
diet and dream recording routine that i won't stray. however, it just takes
energy to make myself do it when it's not what i want at the moment.
my goal is to stick to my routine and, if i mess up, not use it as an
excuse to completely end my efforts and lose confidence, but rather forgive
myself for the infraction and try again. that seems much healthier to me.
how do you learn self-discipline? i guess that's what i've been thinking
about lately.
it serves as a good starting point for another thread, at least. :-)
take care, y'all.
jeremy
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from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=m5b1kctaqc-7zj3bux4csfdig-tmx3lyrv6rjejyvny8mjda0sdyjnauv0zwwhrwqpm36-mszsrufzib)>
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date: sunday, january 14, 2001 3:52 am
subject: re: [asc2k] lastnt dream

>>
>>word brothers, you guys a true blessing...
>
>
>feel great today, scored 2 goals in a indoor soccer game..you know i felt
>good that i scored the goals but i didn't want to be dealing with the spot
>light..but it hits you any way, and your crown chakra just goes off..
>like i had seen others score and you can see the flux of nrg asscociated
>with pride..?ego...? satisfaction..?
>i thought that was a self influenced thing, but it seems it has a lot to do
>with others focusing on you..
>i am starting to see how proportional the ego is involved is how much it is
>interferring..
>the second hurt a little more so i wasn't as influenced as much..
>just some weird realizations, at times during the game i didn't feel human,
>like i just hovered over everyones ego, just as a witness.
>like competetion based things are weird, or now they are anyways..
>don't see what the fuss is about losing a game 3-7 when you gave it your
>best..
>
>well until the clothing web site goes up i'll post a couple x-mas photos of
>the designs..as soon as there devoloped..
>
>and dw i am fully interested in doing a front cover design!!!!!!
>
>i'm thankfull that you were very specific as i know what your looking for..
>ah, masson's book, wheres that link..?ch.6 for the crop pic..
>and thats not to say that others if wanting shouldn't also persue this
>project.
>
>further comments about your dream jer, the animal metaphor is specific.
>rather then a general ego "killing" it is specifying the animalistic
>characteristics of the ego, which would be with the two base chakras.
>the fact that it was a little alegator might also hold some more clues, but
>i'm not sure how much was borrowed from the movie.
>little could mean little hurdles that need to be jumped for your
>deliverance.
>the gun is telling me that you are in control, your the one who decides to
>pull the trigger/decission.
>you haven't been eating veal lately , have you...smiles
>no laughs cause killing baby anything ain't cool....ok moskitos is a
>exception..laughs!@$#
>
>peace in the infinite trinity of omni-oneness.
>to yall
>
>
>
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Clark stewart

01-14-2001, 09:29 PM

yes, disapline, this is a difficult key to harness. but it is the most
cruical, for slothy leads to the dark side..
one of buddhas listed primary hinderances..
but i am a case in myself..
when i first got interested in this site the diet , no no's list hit me
hard..(international microbial list, of infected foods of mycotoxins)..
so i got on this crazy strict diet, which was beautiful for the year it
lasted, was bearly smoking pot either..
and every night i had 2-3 crazy dreams /night.
it got so crazy i had to get a cassette recorder for dictating..
that only lasted so long, then the energy made me face all the cyclical
maddess.
this was spawned out of one indulgence, then another after another.
it was the downspiral-domino effect..
truely made me realize the reason why the buddhas arn't aloud/reframe from
candy,drink'n, smok'n, etc..indulgences..!!

like i have made up my mind on smoking pot, but yet it finds it way back..
i have conteplated every issue i think that there is to about it and the
various effects, pos, neg..
my conclusion is yah, i tend to seek inwards and deny myself of sexual
pleasures easier..but
all these things in the pos category can be acheived w/o it..
via fasting, chanting, breathing, visualization, concentration, yoga...
ussually best altogether..

that reading from the "orion" region source...you know at first it seemed
kinda informing, but now it seems like the news or something.
like it didn't emphasize a lot of love, nore a lot of postive optimism..
which i find more consistant of positively polarized sources..
so , i hope we can all conclude sooner then later that we create this
reality by the amount of how much concsciousness units we want to put into
it...yah and i do think it would be proportional, and if you keep feeding
the grid that connects us all with ****ty ass outcomes of the future.. then
geese no big surprises if it actually turns out that ****ty , now is
there..?
s.r.i has been doing experiments with people effecting the propability of
set experiments..

on the other hand, you see the dark forces flip stuff, 180, bkwards.
it's integrated well into the disinfo plot, world wide..
like organics, they had some guy on of course a big nation wide channel,
talking it down, just like crop cirlces..
rem the 2 drunk dudes..laughs
any one interested in the king of government conspiracy info...david icke..
excellant speaker..book, "world's biggest secret"
i believe..goes into the geneology of the presidents , 33 of them are
related to 2 royal peeps.
any one know about reptilian huminoids..david suzuki had the theory once
upon a time from certain dino species..

yah i blow steam once and a while about all this, cause sometime it just
bugs me out that the sheep are so well trained..
even better is when you see yourself fall into the nonconscientiousness of
it all.

so to make this letter salvedgably sain, what i trying to say is we all
fall, the fall i believe is were the wisdom comes in with the humularity,
and humbleness..
so it's all good if your intentions are.and that is what the cut is all
about, where are your intentions..
i think we should be thinking about those who are running the show and there
intentions are, those dudes neeeeeed some serious tetrahedral love care bear
star intense beamness..
in l/l,
c

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>subject: re: [asc2k] lastnt dream
>date: sun, 14 jan 2001 15:12:31 -0500
>
> your thoughts on competition are interesting. i've been thinking the
>same thing... it feels really good to put your all into something, even as
>arbitrary as a game, but it is very ego-influenced. i sometimes really do
>wonder if there is anything redeeming about competition.
> thanks (to you and david) for helping with the dream interpretation.
>i
>really need to get back into the routine of writing down my dreams every
>night, as well as cleaning up my diet, etc. i dunno, i have a hard time
>with commitments to stuff like that. it takes a lot of energy to make
>myself conform to something with a bigger picture than the expediency of
>the
>moment. plus, whenever i get in a routine like that, and i mess it up, i
>use that as an excuse to completely part ways with my routine. i suspect
>that there are flaws in my whole outlook and attitude concerning these
>things. i've thought about it a lot and it seems like it always comes down
>to what you want. the key, as i see, is to want so badly to stick to the
>diet and dream recording routine that i won't stray. however, it just
>takes
>energy to make myself do it when it's not what i want at the moment.
> my goal is to stick to my routine and, if i mess up, not use it as an
>excuse to completely end my efforts and lose confidence, but rather forgive
>myself for the infraction and try again. that seems much healthier to me.
>how do you learn self-discipline? i guess that's what i've been thinking
>about lately.
> it serves as a good starting point for another thread, at least. :-)
> take care, y'all.
> jeremy
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>from: clark stewart <fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=k6ouljjz_c7fekasto5ob_9_n1spr2xvxevele 0rvqn5aup_kaugkowwpr8lpbfefdwtqkybjuvolgl08yfgmq)>
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>date: sunday, january 14, 2001 3:52 am
>subject: re: [asc2k] lastnt dream
>
>
> >>
> >>word brothers, you guys a true blessing...
> >
> >
> >feel great today, scored 2 goals in a indoor soccer game..you know i felt
> >good that i scored the goals but i didn't want to be dealing with the
>spot
> >light..but it hits you any way, and your crown chakra just goes off..
> >like i had seen others score and you can see the flux of nrg asscociated
> >with pride..?ego...? satisfaction..?
> >i thought that was a self influenced thing, but it seems it has a lot to
>do
> >with others focusing on you..
> >i am starting to see how proportional the ego is involved is how much it
>is
> >interferring..
> >the second hurt a little more so i wasn't as influenced as much..
> >just some weird realizations, at times during the game i didn't feel
>human,
> >like i just hovered over everyones ego, just as a witness.
> >like competetion based things are weird, or now they are anyways..
> >don't see what the fuss is about losing a game 3-7 when you gave it your
> >best..
> >
> >well until the clothing web site goes up i'll post a couple x-mas photos
>of
> >the designs..as soon as there devoloped..
> >
> >and dw i am fully interested in doing a front cover design!!!!!!
> >
> >i'm thankfull that you were very specific as i know what your looking
>for..
> >ah, masson's book, wheres that link..?ch.6 for the crop pic..
> >and thats not to say that others if wanting shouldn't also persue this
> >project.
> >
> >further comments about your dream jer, the animal metaphor is specific.
> >rather then a general ego "killing" it is specifying the animalistic
> >characteristics of the ego, which would be with the two base chakras.
> >the fact that it was a little alegator might also hold some more clues,
>but
> >i'm not sure how much was borrowed from the movie.
> >little could mean little hurdles that need to be jumped for your
> >deliverance.
> >the gun is telling me that you are in control, your the one who decides
>to
> >pull the trigger/decission.
> >you haven't been eating veal lately , have you...smiles
> >no laughs cause killing baby anything ain't cool....ok moskitos is a
> >exception..laughs!@$#
> >
> >peace in the infinite trinity of omni-oneness.
> >to yall
> >
> >
> >
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Jeremy Weiland

01-15-2001, 11:09 AM

>like i have made up my mind on smoking pot, but yet it finds it way back..
>i have conteplated every issue i think that there is to about it and the
>various effects, pos, neg..
>my conclusion is yah, i tend to seek inwards and deny myself of sexual
>pleasures easier..but
>all these things in the pos category can be acheived w/o it..

i know how you feel... it is much easier to quit some things, i've
found, once you give yourself what you think you want. like if you want a
big mac so bad that you can't think about anything else, there comes a point
where you should stop expending the energy to fight it and just go ahead and
have the stupid big mac. you'll realize that it wasn't nearly as good as
you thought it was gonna be, and the disappointment will be a much better
reinforcer than fighting with yourself. this doesn't work in all cases, but
if you can forgive yourself of small deviations from a given discipline, you
can kick bad habits easier sometimes.

>like organics, they had some guy on of course a big nation wide channel,
>talking it down, just like crop cirlces..

yeah, my old roommate was telling me about that... like they were saying
that if everybody ate organically, we'd need 60% of the land area of the
world for farming instead of just 30%... so we can't all eat organically. i
guess we should just eat the garbage they toss to us instead. :-)

>any one interested in the king of government conspiracy info...david icke..
>excellant speaker..book, "world's biggest secret"

<sigh>... after a while, it becomes too much of an energy expenditure,
y'know? yeah, there's a lot of really ****ty stuff going on, what do you
do? just try to do what you came here to do. i have a real problem with a
lot of the stuff that's going on today (including gov't conspiracy bs) and
since i've gotten active in politics, that doesn't help me keep a healthy
distance from all that bs.
y'know, that brings up a point that i've been wondering about for a
while. is it wise to be active in politics right now? i mean, obviously if
that's what you're moved to do then it is, but i'm not looking to be a
politician; i just want to help those who are working for ideas that i
share. i think maybe a little more detachment would do me good.

>i believe..goes into the geneology of the presidents , 33 of them are
>related to 2 royal peeps.
>any one know about reptilian huminoids..david suzuki had the theory once
>upon a time from certain dino species..

yeah, i read some stuff about this, too, a while ago. still hasn't had an
obvious effect on my life yet (but it's damn interesting reading). still, i
know where you're coming from, i know how you feel. it's not a great
feeling to feel helpless in the midst of all this evil - but fortunately we
know the transient nature of all this and don't have to get sucked up into
the big game.

>so it's all good if your intentions are.and that is what the cut is all
>about, where are your intentions..

that's exactly what i've been thinking... it's all about what you want,
it's all about what they want that affects the outcomes in the arena of
world affairs, power politics, etc. the question for me is, how do you
change what you want? what bothers me is that a lot of people go through
life without ever taking a moment to really decide what they want; i mean,
we go through life in sort of a routine, we have things that we do in life
and go after in life, but does anyone really sit down for a second and just
think, "y'know, what do i really want my life to be like? what do i want to
accomplish?" most people just follow the stream of life without thinking
about what they really want out of it.
so my question is: how do you foster the kind of intention that can give
your life meaning? i guess probably meditation, contemplation is the best
way.
of course :-)

>i think we should be thinking about those who are running the show and
there
>intentions are, those dudes neeeeeed some serious tetrahedral love care
bear

word, break out the tetrahedrons on their ass!

love / light,
jeremy