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cindercran
10-23-2001, 10:32 AM
that page is gone, david.

do you remember what it said?



> this guy in the link below is notoriously parand. however, most of what he
> discusses are real issues.
>
> i only post this link because i had a dream yesterday that was pretty
> intense... a house was brnng and some very materialistic yuppie types were
> trying to figure out what to slvge... i had to tell them just those things
> they'll need for the physical body. then i realized that i was also in this
> house, black spots were starting to show up on the wooden ceiling and i was
> quickly running out of time. (there was no smk inside the house.)
>
> so, the most important thing was the work, so i grabbed my computer and got
> out. everyone was safe but the house was toast. and it was gushing fre.
>
> i just want to point out that my own research, that of dr. greer, etc., a
> number of reliable srcs, all have indicated that if we ever esclted to
> something like what is pointed out here, there would be an intrvntn and at
> that point, "game over," our free will would be interrupted and the "proof"
> of et would be in the skies.
>
> http://www.rense.com/general15/mccainfearsnuclear.htm
>
> now maybe this will trigger some discussion.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david
>


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David Wilcock
10-23-2001, 11:52 AM
this guy in the link below is notoriously parand. however, most of what he
discusses are real issues.

i only post this link because i had a dream yesterday that was pretty
intense... a house was brnng and some very materialistic yuppie types were
trying to figure out what to slvge... i had to tell them just those things
they'll need for the physical body. then i realized that i was also in this
house, black spots were starting to show up on the wooden ceiling and i was
quickly running out of time. (there was no smk inside the house.)

so, the most important thing was the work, so i grabbed my computer and got
out. everyone was safe but the house was toast. and it was gushing fre.

i just want to point out that my own research, that of dr. greer, etc., a
number of reliable srcs, all have indicated that if we ever esclted to
something like what is pointed out here, there would be an intrvntn and at
that point, "game over," our free will would be interrupted and the "proof"
of et would be in the skies.

http://www.rense.com/general15/mccainfearsnuclear.htm

now maybe this will trigger some discussion.

peace be with you -

- david

Trevor Jack
10-23-2001, 02:29 PM
my first post to the group. david will remember me as a long time reader
of his material.


i would guess that mccain's reasons for identifying the threat in the
next 30 days is because he finds hoagland's paper and the scenario he postulates
to be very plausible.


http://enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm


if, and that would be a big if either washington or medina go up on
ramadan then i'd say it's time to take the toys away from the boys. if
that takes some et coming down to accomplish then so be it. past time for
full disclosure anyway.


david, your dream was very similar to another i read on a different
board. there were differences but the black spots, the smoke and fire were
all included. interesting indeed.


blessings all,


trevor






david wilcock wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><tt>this guy in the link below is notoriously parand.
however, most of what he</tt>

<tt>discusses are real issues.</tt>


<tt>i only post this link because i had a dream yesterday that was pretty</tt>

<tt>intense... a house was brnng and some very materialistic yuppie
types were</tt>

<tt>trying to figure out what to slvge... i had to tell them just those
things</tt>

<tt>they'll need for the physical body. then i realized that i was
also in this</tt>

<tt>house, black spots were starting to show up on the wooden ceiling
and i was</tt>

<tt>quickly running out of time. (there was no smk inside the house.)</tt>


<tt>so, the most important thing was the work, so i grabbed my computer
and got</tt>

<tt>out. everyone was safe but the house was toast. and it was gushing
fre.</tt>


<tt>i just want to point out that my own research, that of dr. greer,
etc., a</tt>

<tt>number of reliable srcs, all have indicated that if we ever esclted
to</tt>

<tt>something like what is pointed out here, there would be an intrvntn
and at</tt>

<tt>that point, "game over," our free will would be interrupted and
the "proof"</tt>

<tt>of et would be in the skies.</tt>


<tt>http://www.rense.com/general15/mccainfearsnuclear.htm</tt>


<tt>now maybe this will trigger some discussion.</tt>


<tt>peace be with you -</tt>


<tt>- david</tt>






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David Wilcock
10-23-2001, 03:39 PM
from: cindercran [mailto:cindercran@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=q5adzj07lu_bp4kmo_xeizh6yoinkou9uih-9bzl5j3dtmnhodnjto6bfs9kigcsimjif45cevtr1x0)]

that page is gone, david.

do you remember what it said?

dw: my cache does... see attached.

- david

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<p class="msonormal" align="center" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;text-align:center"><span style="font-size:36.0pt">mccain fears 'nuclear exchange

in the next four weeks'

</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">from bruce beach

language@webpal.org

10-23-1</span><span style="font-family:"arial unicode ms""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
align="center">
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<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">the news as it came to me
today. please do your own analysis on the following 5 items.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 1 this from the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/21/opinion/21dowd.html">ny times on
10/21</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">senator mccain:</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">"i'm afraid we're
going to have a nuclear exchange in the next four weeks. sharon's about to go
to war with the palestinians. india could use that as a cover to provoke
pakistan. then pakistan might nuke india. all these friction points will be a
huge test of bush."</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 2 this from the <a href="http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/221001/dlame81.asp">hidustan
times on 10/22</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">china assisting us in war
against us: taliban commander k j m varma (islamabad, october 22)</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">taliban commander-in-chief
jalaluddin haqqani has claimed that the militia was "in touch" with
china, which was assisting them in the war against us.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">before leaving for
afghanistan after holding talks with pakistani officials here, haqqani, who
is also the minister for frontier regions, told reporters "china is
still assisting taliban in the war against the united states".</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 3 this is from the <a href="http://breaking.tcm.ie/story.asp?j=6682916&p=6683y6x&n=6683214&x=">irish
examiner 10/22</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">israeli warplanes attack
hezbollah positions in lebanon</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">israeli warplanes have
attacked suspected hezbollah guerrilla bases in southern lebanon after the
guerrillas fired rockets and mortar shells at israeli positions in the
disputed chebaa farms area.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">witnesses said the israelis
used air-to-surface missiles and artillery shells against the hezbollah
fighters in a valley near the village of halta.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">it was the first israeli
air raid on lebanon since july 1st, when israel attacked syrian army
positions in eastern lebanon in retaliation for a hezbollah attack near
chebaa farms.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 4 source: <a href="http://globalsecuritynews.yellowbrix.com/pages/globalsecuritynews/story.nsp?stor%20y_id=24524558&id=globalsecuritynews">xinhua
news agency</a> - ceis publication date: 2001-10-21 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">qatar calls for u.n. emergency meeting for mideast
crisis</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">qatar has requested the united
nations security council to hold an emergency meeting to discuss the
escalating middle east crisis, kuwait's official kuna news agency reported.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">"the meeting is to
seek international protection of the palestinian people, create adequate
conditions for resumption of the middle east peace process on its original
basis which includes land- for-peace theme," an official source at the
qatari foreign ministry was quoted by kuna as saying.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">he added that qatari
foreign minister sheikh hamad bin jassim al- thani has summoned ambassadors
of the permanent member states of the security council and conveyed to them
the request.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">more than 20 palestinians
have been killed and dozens wounded since israel launched massive incursions
into six palestinian self- rule cities in the west bank in retaliation for
the assassination of israeli tourism minister rehavam ze'evi by palestinian
gunmen onwednesday.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">oil-rich qatar is the
current chairman of the organization of islamic conference.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 5 <a href="http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/article.html?s=asia/%20headlines/011022/world/afp/">http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/afp/
article.html?s=asia/ headlines/011022/world/afp/</a></span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">bethlehem</span><span style="font-size:13.5pt">, west bank, oct 22 (afp) - the bethlehem branch of
palestinian leader yasser arafat's fatah movement on monday warned the
israeli army to end its occupation of this west bank town or see the
neighbouring jewish settlement of gilo engulfed in rifle and mortar fire.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">"if the israeli army does
not withdraw from bethlehem in the coming hours, then fatah will impose its
own curfew on gilo by shooting and shelling," the bethlehem branch of
fatah warned in a statement.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">item 6 iraq next - (the
headline in major toronto newspaper - in newspaper box today. "did you
see that" - my wife said, on the way back from the eye specialist.
"nope, i didn't see anything - especially since the doctor put drops in
my eyes.")</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">but the world as i see it -</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">a. the idf (israeli defense
force) is hammering palestine.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">a2. twenty palestinians
killed in the last few days -</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">a3. f-16s being used for
only 2nd time since israel withdrawal from palestine.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">a4. sharon saying he will
really let the hammer fall on the 27th or 28th if arafat doesn't turn over
the minister's assassins (which arafat can in no way do).</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">b. the moslems getting very
upset about this - as evidenced by the head of the moslem league asking the
un security council to intervene.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">b2. and now for the first
time there is moslem representation on the security council (syria was just
appointed there).</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">b3. along with amman being
the secretary general of the un.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">c. the us is hammering the
taliban in china.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">c1. which is upsetting
moslems the world over.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">c2. china has signed a
treaty with the taliban.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">c3. chinese soldiers
reported killed two days ago while assisting the taliban (according to debka
file)</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">c4. china and russian have
said that they wish for the us to stop bombing in afghanistan.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">d. russia and china have
told the us not to bomb iraq.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">d1. us has been bombing
iraq anyway.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">d2. us bombing of iraq has
been against un rules.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">d3. us is planning further
action against iraq as evidenced by statements by bush, cheney and powell.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">e. yesterday the us
reinforced south korea with more fighter planes.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">e1. north korea strongly
protested.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">f. taiwan has disappeared
off the us public radar screen but china is emphatic as ever.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">g. pakistan versus india
situation greatly heating up - and both of them are nuclear powers.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">h. major arms and missiles
being moved into position by hizbollah.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">strangely, when i try to
get news from some of my regular sources - they have disappeared.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">http://www2.haaretz.co.il/breaking-news/</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">is it just a fluke - or
have they been zapped by moslem hackers - or have they been closed down by
the israeli government.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">also my debka file newswire
is running hours behind - after showing lots more conflicts, injuries,
deaths, incidents than usual. see that at:</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal">http://www.webpal.org/</span> (http://www.webpal.org/"><span style=) <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">you can click on any news
item on the newswire and it will take you directly to it.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">i suspect, that when things
really begin to break - there will be a news blackout. it may be happening
already - and we just don't know about it.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">yep, i agree with senator
mccain - nuclear war within 30 days - or, for my part, quite possibly much
sooner - and i don't see it being a limited regional conflict.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">as i always point out - i
share all my facts - and sources. you can interpret them just as well as i.
if you see it differently - well - so be it.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">all that you hear on the tv
is about anthrax. a nothing situation. probably home grown terrorism just as
was oklahoma city. of no real significance. more people infected each day
with fatal versions of aids. many more killed in auto-accidents. so what.</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">the news items that i have
mentioned - may lead to elimination of 80 percent of the world's population
in the next 30 days. and where are you reading or hearing about that.</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="msonormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt">peace and love,

bruce beach

survival@webpal.org</span><span style="font-family:"arial unicode ms""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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