When did I..... where did I..... Who am I......

[eccentric1]

I have been studying TLoO to some extent lately, (sigh) and I have come to a quandry of sorts...........

I understand graduation.............. I understand 51% positively oriented........ and BELIEVE me, I don't want to do this again.......... (ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!????!?!?!??!) (P-l-e-a-s-e let me fly again........ this form is just too limited!!!!!)

......B-u-t-........... where does one draw the line between STO & STS?

IS THERE A DEMARCATION?!?!

How does one IDENTIFY one's self w/out being STS?

If I spend all of my days being STO, do I become/realize- who/what I am because of that? Or is there a process of "taking" from others that makes my individuality so?

Can you be STO & an individual at the same time?

I need to revisit the information that is available, and to meditate some more, however I wish to know if others have expored these places as I am.............

I most certainly do not wish to cause confusion, or turmoil, or whatever...... you are all my brothers & sisters........

I'm just curious....... I'm VERY familiar with TLoO, but sometimes....... just sometimes, it's not clear to me.........

........perhaps that is just where I'm at.............

Take me to the stars and I will be all that I am,

~ Thomas

[Jivatman]

I wish to use several quotes from the gospel of Thomas, for, in my opinion it is in well accordance with the law of one, and, as it may indeed be the oldest gospel, may be the purest book for the sayings of Jesus. Here is my humble enumeration of my understanding of The Law of One.

"Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the (Father's) kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

"Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom].""

Essentially how I understand these two quotes is, that when one recognizes that all is one, that the Universe is in you. AND it is outside you. And both are the same. The universe is holographic. Everyone is essentially a microcosm of the Oneness.

I've also, often lamented, why, indeed, can't I achieve some sort of supernatural confirmation that I'm ready for the 4th? A bit of understanding aids one in this. Here's a quote:

"Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. And there is nothing buried that will not be raised."

Knowing indeed, that the inner is like the outer, your experience in temporal world is likely a reflection of your inner, timeless and infinite world. Denial or hate of a part of the outside world is denial of hate of part of yourselves; but you are attempting to divide the indivisible.

Perhaps there is a date, 2012 when people who are ready will achieve fourth dimension. Perhaps not. Regardless, one should not worry about the temporal world, for, the soul is timeless and has infinite potential even in a moment that is infinitesimally small. Understanding, this timeless, infinite, Carpe Diem, and learning to accept the great gift of life is essential.


The walls that separate your self from the other-selves, are the same walls that separate each day from eachother, and the walls that separate your from the infinity of the universe, and, your own soul. All of these walls are illusory.

Therefore, joy in each day, joy in each-other's company, and joy of the universe and your inner world are the essential understandings of the gift of life; for this is the escape into timelessness.

Let me leave with more relevant quotes:

"Treat thy neighbor like thyself" (Jesus said this is the most important commadment)
"Treat thy neighbor like thyself, For Truly Thy Neighbor is thyself(Upanishads)

And one more favorite quote that brings solace to those such as myself, who lament lack of psychic ability, and who should instead recognize the god outside that is the same as the god within

"Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you. For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. And there is nothing buried that will not be raised."

[pyramidnj]

While awaiting a response from David or someone who has intimate knowledge of the LoO material, Thomas, I would just suggest that you relax and be yourself. Your true identity is already known by the Spiritual Hierarchy, so all we have to do at this point is just BE Love, Be Serenity, Be Joy, Be kindness if that is who you are. Our information is already encoded in the Universal Archives, giving a clear picture of who we have been and are at this point in time.

No need for stress [yikes! did I really say that? :D ]. Being in the moment and being grateful for the gift of life and all that goes with it is always helpful. My understanding is that it's not like you are at 47.85% STO and if you read so much spiritual stuff and donate to charity 75% of your monthly paycheck and volunteer at the local soup kitchen every weekend you will gain enough STO points to slide into ascension.

Enjoy being who you are and sharing the gifts of your life with others who would appreciate them; most of all, you might wish to listen to your Highest Guidance to discover new and interesting ways to live a fulfilling STO life, just because you have some more time on your hands until the "blast off" :)

I am personally working on the inner design of a major spiritual "chill pill" as I am a "recovering perfectionist," so I can totally relate to your concern, but it's all good and just hangin' out here with the rest of us, with David's ongoing sharing, will allow you to sit back and say: ahhhhh, that's what this is all about, and feel pretty comfortable that you will not be too much off track. It is as delightful as being the very best version of yourself as you could possibly be!

In the meanwhile, as long as one is not out robbing banks, considering oneself to be superior to everyone else, spending 102% of one's time indulging in purely material pursuits, and walking around angry and bitter at everyone, or even being a religious fanatic with a serious case of tunnel vision [among a multitude of other not-so-loving activities], it seems like we will have a fighting chance! Just keep on keepin' on.....Jo Anne

[Robert Riedel]

Hey There Thomas, and group,

I might begin with a queery of you're past book-learning lessons, as to whether or not you ever crossed paths with a little gem that came out at the turn of the seventies by Marshall McCluen, entitled "The Medium is the Message?" In it, he expands on the notion of how we "Libel by Label," to wit: "By naming, or attaching a title to a thing, we are guilty of "False Conceptualizing;" as in a tree is much more than just a word." Dig-it?

Now expand this to your disscussion about sto's, sts's, s.o.b.'s, or stp's, whatever- all are just labels, and do you know what we do when we label something?

Also, a labeling session is almost like a story by anology: and we also all know that any arguement-by-anology, is by it's very nature, imperfect.

So in what part of the hand are you lacated ? Probably on Friday morning, Aug. 10th, Nelson and I and ours, and a few others'll be road-rallying up I-75 towards the tip of the middle finger, at I imagine approaching a ridiculous rate-of-speed, with a few potty-breaks along the way. Perhaps if you want to join in, we can continue this discussion on the way. And don't let yourself get too worked up abut this stuff, as It requires an evolution in thinking to even begin to make any sense out of it.

So, carry on, carry over, carry-less about that which confuses, as sometimes it is by deliberate intent, and carry a song of gladness in your heart and in all you do, and smile at everything- it drives the "negs" nuts!

Bob

[bittersweet]

When seeing yourself in everyone and everything, The desire to serve others becomes natural. There's a technique i use to help me see ourself in others. First i visualise the highest and most beautiful being i can (Christ or higherself for example), then i superimpose that image over the person i wish to see as they truly are. At once i see that person's soul. Which shines like a star. This also works for yourself.

Hope that helps :)

[DAB]

So, carry on, carry over, carry-less about that which confuses, as sometimes it is by deliberate intent, and carry a song of gladness in your heart and in all you do, and smile at everything- it drives the "negs" nuts!
Bob

it drives the "negs" nuts!

HeHeHe : ) Robert...That it does!

[One 66]

Hmm....

In helping others we help our selves, in helping ourselves we help others. There is no right or wrong way in it all... it just IS. Just go with the flow and see what happens. :cool:

[jeremy6d]

How does one IDENTIFY one's self w/out being STS?

Let me guarantee you one thing: this issue will come up constantly throughout your life. If you truly knew yourself, you wouldn't be in the situation you are now (same goes for all of us, of course).

The problem is not the mystery but the anxiety. Because you feel that you are "supposed" to be STO and not STS, you feel pressure to polarize in a particular direction. Speaking very strictly, this is not what Ra is talking about when they talk about 3rd density being concerned with the choice of polarity. *WE* don't necessarily make that choice, I believe.

What I mean is that who we now think we are, these personalities experiencing physical Earth and human society, doesn't really make that choice per se. That choice of polarity is something we make on a subconscious, energetic level. Rarely are we consciously aware of the dynamics happening at those deeper levels of self that polarize one in a particular manner.

It's senseless to worry about which direction you're polarizing, because all you're doing is engaging in a fear that you'll be too fearful (STS)! I don't mean to belittle your feelings - it's nothing I haven't worried about before - but the key is for us to put our energy into our lives and grounding our experiences in ourselves, because that is how we gain the catalyst that helps us polarize. As we understand ourselves better, we can begin to take little steps towards understanding the context of the catalyst we experience, which helps us identify ourselves more clearly.

There certainly is the capacity for somebody sufficiently in touch with him/herself to take more control over the energetics of polarization. But it's not something to "worry" about, because it happens at a level so much more fundamental than our personalities and egos. If you're going to polarize STS, there's nothing you can do about it. But being interested in seeking and knowing oneself is almost a certain sign of STO polarization. It's really not worth worrying about, because you're almost certainly polarizing STO.

What's much more important is making sure that you're using your life experiences to understand yourself and the Creation better and better. The conscious experience of energetic dynamics will help you gain a better sense of yourself and perhaps even direct the polarization more intensely.

Hope this helps!

[Berni]

I've just been getting into reading the Law of One material, after reading much of what's on this site, and this was is session 17:


Questioner: Why is the negative path so much more difficult to attain harvestability upon than the positive?

Ra: I am Ra. This is due to a distortion of the Law of One which indicates that the gateway to intelligent infinity be a gateway at the end of a straight and narrow path as you may call it. To attain fifty-one percent dedication to the welfare of other-selves is as difficult as attaining a grade of five percent dedication to otherselves. The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two.

It seems to me that the biggest mistake we can make is to not care at all - about anyone, including ourselves. I have always subscribed to the "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" credo (if that's the correct term), and taught my children as they grew up that it was the most important message in the Bible. Words to live by, as it were.

Only is the last couple of years have I realized that in helping others, I have neglected myself. I have been working on me, giving myself as much attention as I have been giving others. I had always felt that it was selfish to do things for myself. Now, in what I have been reading, I see that giving myself love is as important as giving love to others.

I think this must have been one of those little "intuition" moments I've had throughout my life. It seems that I've always had people come and go in my life who have just needed someone to talk to, a shoulder to cry on, etc. Once they didn't need me anymore, we both moved on.

Now I feel that it's my turn. Not in a selfish way, just that is what I feel has been indicated by my "intuition". Is it my Higher Self talking to me? Maybe.

As long as you feel that what you are doing is not controlling or hurtful to another being, I think you're probably on the right track. If you're not empathic, just imagine how you would feel if you were in the other's position. Put the shoe on the other foot, so to speak.

[soup]

There's a technique i use to help me see ourself in others. First i visualise the highest and most beautiful being i can (Christ or higherself for example), then i superimpose that image over the person i wish to see as they truly are. At once i see that person's soul. Which shines like a star. This also works for yourself.


That's a beautiful sharing, thank you. It reminds me of Reiki distance healing.

[soup]

...The, shall we say, sinkhole of indifference is between those two....


Possibly the delineation between STO and individual varies with the degree of awareness. I wonder if awareness can jump in quantum states like an electron orbit - that very close to the nucleus there can seem a tight bonding ground state with occlusions but then at some outward level the electron realizes, "I am one, I am whole" whereafter the electron jumps free exclaiming "I am hole!"


soup

[soup]

I wonder if free electrons could be metaphorically
considered STS and bound electrons could likewise
be classified as STO.

If every individual behaved as a free electron,
then where would the currents take them,
to the negative pole or the positive pole?


soup