2012 Conclusion

[SpiralCycle]

So what is a general outline or consensus about the change taking place in the 2012 area and the direction of things the entitys part of that situation will be going in? Things are in bits and pieces this would probably clear up a bit for some of other people as well.

I have read david mention things such as going through vortexes, harvesters coming and taking those ready to higher dimentions (I believe that is what was said) ect ect.

It feels like after 2012 the earth and humans will still be on earth if there is a change or not this is just a personal feeling. My mind is wandering and I am sure a few of youz guys could provide some insight, thanks.

[Art]

So what is a general outline or consensus about the change taking place in the 2012 area and the direction of things...

My mind is wandering and I am sure a few of youz guys could provide some insight, thanks.

I've found, and have been reminded, that the only thing you have to concern yourself with is love. It begins with you. "Love yourself" is a very broad concept, but it boils down to making choices. Once you have "conquered" this, all things will come to you naturally. Start looking within yourself - Do you meditate? Connect with your inner self and you will connect with all that is.

My wind wanders too, ALOT. And, I'm no "expert". You need to catch yourself and "reset". Each and every person's experience will be unique and there isn't a general "consensus" that I've found... Same with the "date"... Do not concern yourself with artificial timelines or material concepts. Our language and mind aren't ready to comprehend our transformation. If you focus on fear, that is what you will get. Concentrate on love, and you will spread it.

Or, put it this way - "Strive" to become a beacon of light in the times that are coming. The only preparation you need to do is to connect - to complete your Inner Work. From there, your purpose will guide you.

New to this? Me too - for about a year now. Welcome! Keep asking questions - there are far wiser people in this forum that can help you.

Good luck and take care.

[SpiralCycle]

Yeah I have conquered love and what not

I am definitely not worried about anything I just like to learn to broaden my horizons and do much reading ect. trying to put things together for myself and others.

Hmm I am connected and know my life work as well I am sure I sound pretty arrogant haha but like I said I am just trying to gather information in all area's which has helped out very much trying to put things together as I go. As my interests say; I learn to love and love to learn. They go hand in hand. I also know that information shouldn't be put over other things as well which I try not to do.

Hmm life seems to take a while in giving answers other than omnipresence, oneness, love and expression.

Yeah I am new to much of this and started around last summer with my learning ect. before then most of my life consisted of video games and music.

Thanks much for the kind words though, be well.

[pyramidnj]

Spiral, what is most important is that you have consciously begun, on this 3D journey, to experience and know your higher connection! So many young people, and not so young, are awakening now and it is absolutely exciting. It is truly like a homecoming of sorts.

I dare say that where we are now is far beyond religion. There is only time for LOVE of the highest order, meaning unconditional love and allowing love to flow through you and outward to all life, all things, absolutely unfettered. It is a time of seeing the world as if through the eyes of a newborn babe -- no judgment, trusting that your Highest Guidance and ALL THAT IS has worked out all of the kinky details.

As you focus on finding and maintaining peace within and radiating that outwardly as frequently as you can through thoughts and feelings, using a simple form of meditation that takes you deep into silence and harmony with your Highest Guidance, you will be doing what is needed of all of us at this time. Being in the moment and lovin' the time away are good ways to approach each day. At least you know that we are all here for you. If you wish more explanation of what I have expressed here, please contact me privately.

Infinite love! Jo Anne

[SpiralCycle]

ROFL ok guys, I understand the whole love thing I truely do! But I just want information on what I ask for without always coming to the conclusion of love. Hahah yeah like I said those are given answers and universal laws but I just want some answers on OTHER things so maybe if youz guys love me you will hook me up with the general conclusion about 2012. :rolleyes:

[Ceara]

The "general" conclusion as you put it, in my opinion really isn't general at all. There are soooooo many out there that have their own take about what 2012 really is about.

John Major Jenkins puts forth that it's possibly nothing more than a neato alignment of the sun rising smack in the middle of Galactic Center on the morning of Dec 21, 2012. At least that's what I think the date is. But you get my drift. I have two of Jenkins' books and although the mythology is fun, and the astronomy/astrology is also fun to read, Jenkins really doesn't provide anything concrete on the spiritual front.

Now, there are countless amount of people out there that claim to channel. That's their choice. Whether their information is from a true benevolent source remains to be seen. Some of these folks claim any/all of these things will occur by 2012:

1. World wiped out by comets, asteroids, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.
2. ETs coming to save us all, take certain people up in their ships and go away to live (in some other form, perhaps not physical) happily ever after.
3. Religious figures, saviours, masters will suddenly appear
4. Galactic alignment, like mirrors in Egypt that let light into tombs, will all of a sudden allow energy from galactic center to beam onto our planet and act as a catalyst for big changes.
5. Photon belt will envelop the planet, and with its 3 days of darkness and the sky that seems to burn with a cold flame, will cause utter chaos on the planet and we all destroy ourselves.
6. NESARA
7. Certain individuals who have raised their vibes/frequency will go through some sort of "rapture" or "harvest" as Ra mentions.

The list goes on and on. But those are some of the main points I've come across in the past few years. I was highly interested in 2012 at one time and now see that it's pointless to try to pin any change in humanity down to linear time. That's just my opinion.

I have a friend who also claims to channel a causal plane group entity, and "they" say that 2012 is a big hooey (to summarize, not their terminology) and that humans will still be on the planet afterwards. But also said that certain things will occur, but they might be so subtle that it would only be noticeable on a personal level for a while. And these changes are the more widespread psychic phenomena, like telepathy, etc.

Personally I'm more inclined to go with Ian Lungold's theories he spoke of when promoting Dr. Calleman's Mayan calendar books, and with Theosophy. These books, lectures and pamplets seem to hint at cycles. Not time cycles, but cycles nonetheless. I quote from a song "Natural Science" by the rock band Rush as an example

Wheels within wheels
In a spiral array
A pattern so grand
And complex
Time after time
We lose sight of the way
Our causes cant see
Their effects

Basically we originate from source and will return to source, and everything else in between is a form of education and experiences.

I feel that all this hoopla over 2012 will ultimately create certain events, based on mass thoughts and energy and promoted via news, religion and political organizations to further their own agendas. I'm not counting natural events in this, because they've been occuring since the planet took form and I see that as a normal function.

While I don't deny that Ra's term of "harvest" may occur at some point, I don't feel an outside force will do it for us, but rather, we will do it for ourselves. I am of the opinion that nothing outside of us will help us, but it all has to come from within. For, if we do not take the trouble of having every experience possible and an outside force chooses to do it for us, then the lessons really aren't learned. What would be the purpose of that? If your parent does your homework for you, do you really learn the lesson?

I'm not trying to bash anyone's hopes or opinions on the subject of 2012, but rather look at it as a whole.

[eyez4096]

A part of me would really like to believe that some grand event will take place. A part of me would like to see things shaken up and the pot stirred as a catalyst for human evolution. And a part of me knows that if such a thing did occur in any form its result could not be worse than the business as usual of humanity at this time.

Of the things I've heard which suggest a big event, my best conceptualization of what it might be like are as follows:

**The fluid of consciousness as we experience it becomes more condensed or "denser" leading to a less diffuse connection between persons. Indeed this type of process may already be in the works -- this so-called fluid may already be becoming denser. My articulation of the repercussions of this phenomenon leads me to believe that an event like this would blur the line we've drawn between thought and experiential reality. The potential impact of such a blur, in today's world, would invariably involve a mass hysteria the likes of which has never been seen.**

Were the above "scenario" to play out it would make sense that so-called wanderers would be here to help calm the transition and lessen the destructive potential of its happening.

Of course, the only link between the above hypothesis and the 2012 phenomena would be made if either the transition became much more rapid (possibly disjoint/shifted) or if it were to reach a so called "critical mass" near that time. Neither of those is totally unreasonable though the rational viewing by one who is closely connected to the consensual strange attractor of the modern world-view would immediately disown the fundamental hypothesis: it is absurd to think that any effect could cause the emergent phenomenon of consciousness to become more or less closely connected. After-all, the modern view on consciousness seems only to accept a sort of discrete metric. Every person's conscious mind is their own and all others' are different from that. (fun with sentence construction at work here!)

The only models which seem to "jive" with the mainstream scientific or religious communities are the concepts of glorious rapture or cataclysmic disaster. Somehow neither of those seems too fundamentally viable to me. At least, it seems that aside from the literal word of the written religious texts, or the somehow unseen but imminent asteroid that was mysteriously known about thousands of years ago, we don't have much to fear from that department.

So what do I believe? That's a tough one. I like to keep one foot in the rational world of modern mainstream and one foot in the mystical world where such an event as I described it is actually viable. Assuming I don't miss my step, such a perspective better enables me to balance the potential for spiritual runoff (the phenomenon of people becoming obsessed and losing connection to any form of rationality and thereby causing great harm to themselves or others) against the potential for spiritual stagnation (the process by which one loses the ability to feel and is stuck in a dark godless world of total rationale at the expense of soul growth).

I believe that the world NEEDS something the likes of which I described -- the likes of which David describes -- the likes of which RA or countless other channels and/or pseudo-prophets wish me to believe. And I believe that such a thing has the POTENTIAL to happen, much as there is the potential that a major scientific breakthrough or spiritual awakening is right around the corner. Such breakthroughs happened in the past, and they will happen again. Likewise, events such as are purportedly about to happen have also purportedly happened before. But we won't know about it till it happens -- or at least, we won't be certain of it until it begins, and even then there's certain to be doubts.

In the mean time, one cannot be harmed by attempting to find balance within themselves and/or help others find some similar balance in whatever way feels most right. You can only make yourself a better person by embracing your capacity for love and understanding your potential for fear.

Let me close by saying that I do believe something will happen. What, when and where, however, is not for us to know; it's for us to experience (which doesn't keep me from WANTING to know).

-Charles

[DAB]

ROFL ok guys, I understand the whole love thing I truely do! But I just want information on what I ask for without always coming to the conclusion of love. Hahah yeah like I said those are given answers and universal laws but I just want some answers on OTHER things so maybe if youz guys love me you will hook me up with the general conclusion about 2012. :rolleyes:

Hi Spiral,

I will share what I have been doing since the beginning of 2007 at sunrise and sunset...taking them in directly... with a tremendous uplift in color vibration and enhanced/enlightened inner sense of direct connection as to the upcoming changes that the wider opening of the 4th and 5th dimensions are bringing forth...simply listen to Dr. Gibson's talk here with Regina and You will understand what I am doing by what He mentions. Now understand...this is not talked about openly...and I was prompted to share because you asked and this is a great forum to do that. I have had a couple of one on one sessions with a healing therapist that is strongly connected to the energies taking place and She gave a great BIG affirmative on my taking in the sun light directly at sunrise and sunset when I shared what I was doing with Her.
It is not for Everyone to meditate and take the light in this way...
but it might be for You.
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/mgibson.htm

These other talks of sharing will also give You some ideas on connecting / re-connecting for Yourself with what You feel is good for You to enhance Your personal journey in the next few years on the way to what is coming!

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/hwesselman2.htm

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/epearl.htm

I am sure You will find something/someone on Regina's site that will 'click on' the right button within You personally that will help You see more and be more for You from the 'inside out' : )

The Very Best To You!

[DAB]

We are on a "schedule" : )

Some conclusions definite...
Many conclusions varying to and in accordance with OUR co-creation efforts : )

The Mayan Calender Comes North --- Parts I + II

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8689261981090121097

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-567329528148516232&q=The+Mayan+Calendar+Comes+North+02

[SpiralCycle]

These other talks of sharing will also give You some ideas on connecting / re-connecting for Yourself with what You feel is good for You to enhance Your personal journey in the next few years on the way to what is coming!

I am sure You will find something/someone on Regina's site that will 'click on' the right button within You personally that will help You see more and be more for You from the 'inside out' : )

The Very Best To You!
Many thanks Dab, I did find a lot of reconfirmation in some of those videos especially with some of the things touched on by Doctor Gibson and Chiropractioner Eric Pearl. I understood much of the spiritual aspects that gibson had mentioned and from what I have come across and put a lot of my thoughts together. I liked how eric mentioned having to do things that are based in fear such as ritualistic practices that are sometimes uneeded. I will definitely check out more on that site and will hopefully try and get back to the 2012 videos below. ;)

[DAB]

Sent Ya a pm, Spiral...Thanks for the thanks : )

This is the "only" place on the internet I have shared this openly...
This is the place and this is the time.

The link I posted, once again, gives clarity to what I am doing:

[Note from moderator: please see DAB's other post for the url]

And to reiterate...this is not for Everyone and is not talked about openly...anywhere.
Your personal choice to follow up with research and action if You want and only if You want.


I began taking in the sunlight at sunrise "intuitively" at the beginning of 2007 after reading a number of write-ups on holographics and light and what is going on these days...and coincidently, a few days later I found Dr. Gibson's interview on Regina's site. And as many of You are aware...coincidences are occurring exponentially these days...HaHa : )

I have probably accrued about 45 clear sunrises and sunsets in the last 3 1/2 months. Combining meditation and mantras while taking them in.

Besides an increase in color vibration and vividness...I have also acquired an inner light energy...as in the "sun" is in my eyes, from the inside out...not the outside in. If I look up at the clear night sky or at the stars or at the moon and focus and concentrate a wonderful light show ensues...this same focusing and concentration used while looking into the woods or at a tree/trees or at a rolling landscape(especially with moisture) and pulling the contrasts out creates holographic images that change and alter the view. For instance, if I concentrate on the lawn in front of me after a rain I can see/create rivers and rolling hills as though I am standing on a hillside or mountainside...it is a mind blowing and uplifting experience. I can see spirits(animals and others) and other holographic images when looking into the woods or any view in front of me with natural growth and contrasts...when I consciously focus. There seems to be a re-awakening within that is re-connecting my being to what we really are---light and energy and spirituality!

I have done and am doing and will do more than I have shared here in this post...but this gives anyone with an interest an idea of the enrichment that can and will ensue.

And if the light is too strong at later sunrise and earlier sunset wear aviation sunglasses or look at it with eyes closed until Your eyes get use to it and comfortable with it before starting Your incremental/methodical increase of sungazing time.

The Best To You!

[remembering]

Hello,
In my opinion; David's recent blog with his mention of the "discovery" of another planet some 20 light yrs. away and at the end of his blog there is mention of going onto the 4D density.

It seems obvious to me by this last paragraph on what is mentioned by being in love, kindness and not maniputlation and such then...


Namaste,
Tim

[jax]

[QUOTE=DAB;20734]
I will share what I have been doing since the beginning of 2007 at sunrise and sunset...taking them in directly...[ ] It is not for Everyone to meditate and take the light in this way...
but it might be for You.

"taking the light" as you call it, is alternately called Sun Gazing and is discussed a lot in a Sungazing forum at http://www.cureZone.org Interesting stuff. I've tried it a few times, but I can't really see the early sunrises/sunsets at my house because of all the big buildings on the east and west. [dang] :) One has to be really careful with sungazing and follow a daily protocol, so read the curezone instructions before trying it. K? (Curezone is free) L/L jax

[DAB]

Jax....Glad You replied with that info.
I am adding links for research and safety that I found on the net.

And hey, Spiral...don't mean to overwhelm Your Thread and topic here...
I just want People that read this to be safe if They "look" into this : )

http://www.solarhealing.com/sgprocess.htm

http://www.solarhealing.com/

http://www.sungazing.com/

http://www2.xlibris.com/bookstore/book_excerpt.asp?bookid=26909&page=1

[remembering]

I am not sure if this is related however; I feel like sharing it. There is a special spot that I often go to for a deeper meditation experience and it is along one of our rivers and I sit upon my special larger boulder to meditate.

Often when I am "there" I will focus onto the opposite end of the shore line and I will see the entire area appearing to shift back and forth!

I mean it looks as if the entire shore line is moving back and forth. I have also become aware of this on my hikes throughout the wooded areas if I remained focused on a certain spot.

Among my other experiences, it validates more than ever of the illusion aspects of the here/now:)

Namaste,
Tim

[Chris Hamilton]

Hi All!

Just a note from your pesky moderator:) Since I have not learned yet how to move a post that is in the wrong thread (I can move threads, but not posts yet), I will post this message for all of you discussing sungazing. As this is really not a 2012 item, if you can please start a thread under General Discussions and name it "Sungazing", this would help out alot.

Also, and this is for everyone...I know how permeated our society is with advertising, but please try to refrain from naming specific people or practices in your urls (specific routines, help methods etc usually have promotions that could cost you $$'s). Instead, try to mention a method (that many people are practicing) and why you like or dislike it. As an example, let's say you liked peppermint gum- you would talk about peppermint gum, not Wrigley's or Dentyne. And on that happy note, I will bid adieu! Take care, Chris

[DAB]

Hi Chris...
That url was fixed above, thanks.

Just wanted to say that this sun-meditating has everything to do with 2012 for me, personally...and it has been 100% free...gathering light energy and information from the sun. That is why I shared more of it in this thread and informed Spiral I would by pm.

A transformation is taking place within me spiritually and to me physically. And I know I have enhanced my ability to help and guide and inform others that are interested in tuning in to what is coming.

I did do reading and research after intuitively starting the process.

What Hira Manek shares in the last few paragraphs on his "process" page is taking place in one degree or another right now within me and is preparing me to help anyone that wants help and to share with anyone that asks. It surprised me that Hira unfolded that much info on the 'process' page, without charging first...and I honor that.

[Mozart]

DAB said:


> And as for conclusions...
>We are on a "schedule" : )

>Some conclusions definite...


Thanks, DAB, for the videos. Unfortunately, because of my severe hearing impairment any video that does not have closed-captioning is useless, so I'd really like to see a transcript; however, a trans of these videos is unlikely, so I'm wondering if anyone who has watched the videos could post the "definite conclusions" that may have been enumerated in the videos. Just the "definite" conclusions. Thank you.


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[charran]

I too have been Sungazing for several years now. I have seen many mandalas in the Sun, including the Pakal cross mentioned in one of David's posts. I have also witnessed many other things too numerous to tell here, including the Venus transit across the Sun on a June morning in 2004. Beautiful sight! Made the Sun look green from my perspective. I can also see Sunspots when they have surfaced. It's pretty cool!

There is a definite shift in me since I began the process, particularly on an emotional level.

My original teacher was HRM. I have some additional ones as well now. I would tell anyone NOT to forget about doing the walking part. Very important. And if you can do it barefooted for greater well-being all around. I have made it a point this year to do as much morning and evening SGing as possible. I can't say enough about the process! If chosen by anyone with inner guidance, it is well worth it. Attention to the process and slow but steady increases in gazing time is important if you do do it. As HRM would say "the Sun is not a fast food".

love,

Charran

[charran]

You all might want to take a look at [moderator: please email Charran for the url if interested]
Mac and Jag who run the site give webinars on the Mayan Calendar every 20 days (nice Mayan number). All you have to do is sign up to their webinars and attend online to see the presentation and dial in also by phone to hear them. Pretty nifty toolkit they have going.

I've attended two of their webinars and they are worth it. They will take online questions too during the webinar.

Charran

[FooSnik]

I thought this explanation of the shift that is happening was very interesting:

"...as we enter a time period (within the next 10 years) where the vibration of the earth is raised. This raising of vibration will sort of act like a filter so that beings of lower awareness will be blocked from entering. This is not a punishment. Higher vibration can enter into any vibration. Lower vibration can only enter into higher vibration through transmutation, and not every soul can, or is willing to, go through that."

I got this from a website talking about "indigo children."

[Note from moderator: the url originally provided is from another channelled site so is not permitted. However , comment on the quote above is welcome if done from a Law of One perspective].

[DAB]

DAB said:


And as for conclusions...
We are on a "schedule" : )

Some conclusions definite...


Thanks, DAB, for the videos. Unfortunately, because of my severe hearing impairment any video that does not have closed-captioning is useless, so I'd really like to see a transcript; however, a trans of these videos is unlikely, so I'm wondering if anyone who has watched the videos could post the "definite conclusions" that may have been enumerated in the videos. Just the "definite" conclusions. Thank you.


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Mozart...Here is the "PowerPoint" Link to that Mayan Calender Presentation by Ian:
http://www.mayanmajix.com/mayan_calendar.ppt

You Should be able to "read" about anything You need to on the Ian's Mayan Majix or Dr. Calleman's site...links are on Majix site.

Here is a good one by Ian on the day and nights unfolding now with "more or less" definite conclusions:

http://www.mayanmajix.com/art102.html

[Note from moderator: to comply with our rules-2 paragraphs of the url recommended-this quote of Ian Lungold's article has been snipped]

Here it comes Baby! Here comes the Truth!

The TRUTH brought forward by the consciousness of the 3rd "Day" of the Galactic cycle is rising in intensity just like the sun rises every morning to high noon.
High Noon of this 3rd "Day" is June 12th 2003 (note*This is not the hottest part of the day.)

The top news stories of the day June 2nd 2003 are discussing how we “may” have all been lied to about the Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. As this truth is coming forward the players within the lie, the CIA, Defense Dept, State Dept, White House and the Pentagon as well as the British Parliament and Prime Minister are attacking each other. This is the exact type of scenario that we have discussed and predicted on this web page just under a year ago.

More staggering truth is on the way, including a massive cover-up by the corporate owners of Hospitals, of a SARS type illness that killed at least 20 people in Sonoma CA last week.

[jeremy6d]

I am very heartened by the responses here! So often, 2012 is associated with the flashy events of hollywood disaster films. If David's work demonstrates anything, it is that 2012 is bigger than just whether you're going to survive or not - there's an entire galactic and interdensity system at work here. Sometimes doomsday preachers of 2012 make it sound like Earth is the center of the universe or something!

The best way to be prepared for any catastrophe is a capacity to radiate love/light as purely and consistently as possible. Everything else is just details that, psychic or not, nobody can really predict accurately enough to save your possession or your physical body. Once you embrace that, the fear becomes something you choose to experience rather than something you have to dread in the future.

[Ceara]

Dr. Calleman's first book is excellent reading material as well. I just ordered the other two last week and waiting for them to arrive in the mail.

Just a note.. the late Ian Lungold only took a small portion of Calleman's work and used it in his lectures, but went way beyond what Calleman wrote, in my opinion. Both complement each other quite well. Calleman took the historical/scientific side but then Lungold went more for spirituality and shared his ideas about what it would mean for the "future." But both the lectures and the books need to be explored to get a fuller picture in my opinion.

[soup]

I just figured out that my latest Tzolkin birthday was May 21, the day Caera shared that last post.

That's according to a book i've been reading called "How to Practice Mayan Astrology" by Bruce Scofield and Barry Orr (Bear and Co, 2007 ISBN -13:978-1-59143-064-3).

There's mention in there about the Tzolkin being a fractal of the larger long count. So okay, when I think about that then I wonder about the day - if there is a fractal division within the day that can correspond to things like the periods of the brain's operating frequencies.

I wonder if the Mayans considered the "beginning of a day" as being "midnight", or if they considered it as the moment that the sun dawned
and they "woke up". Maybe 2012 marks a beginning point where people "wake up" in some way, like at the start of a new day.

Or in another sense, it could be like a birthday of sorts.