Re-Listened Ra Sessions: New home

[twva]

as some of you know, there is an on-going project of listening to copies of the tapes from the 1981-1984 ll research/ra sessions and comparing what is on the tapes to what is in the published transcripts. for the most part the versions are very similar, but there are occasional interesting changes, most often to don's questions.

the uploaded changes, which were originally at wiki.lawof1.org and then at wiki.bring4th.org, have now been moved to http://wiki.lawofone.info/

[David Wilcock]

the uploaded changes, which were originally at wiki.lawof1.org and then at wiki.bring4th.org, have now been moved to http://wiki.lawofone.info/

dw: wow, tobey, this is great news! you've been doing a fantastic job with the re-auditing of the original tapes and coming up with new transcripts. i've been blown away by the new opportunity to see everything all in one place.

i had started re-tooling the entire law of one study guide to link back to your work at lawof1.org, and got through the first few sections, but then the url changed... and then i heard that website was going offline as well. i was concerned it would be lost, and actually wondered if i should contact you and have it be mirrored here on this site for security purposes.

nonetheless, if the new site is stable and will remain online (say, if you've paid up registration fees through 2012 :) ) then i will re-tool the entire study guide to link back to this body of source data.

i also recently saw your law of one archetypes study guide and even though the work was never completed by the l/l group, and there are still many conceptual gaps in the overview, it definitely helps people see what's there... so i will probably link to that at the end of the revised study guide as well.

great job!

- david

[twva]

thanks, david.

yes, this location should be stable at last, since i control it. much better this way!

[David Wilcock]

that is very good news... perhaps one the most important bodies of data on the net and it was as non-committal as a horny college student.

i guess i have one more question... how much more is there still to validate, and will any of the links change once the renewed versions go online?

i want to make sure it's totally stable before i go altering the study guide, which would be a very major rewrite.

also, are there any indexing links in the text, or will it just have to be that people link to the session alone, and then read through it to find the relevant excerpt?

- david

[twva]

i guess i have one more question... how much more is there still to validate, and will any of the links change once the renewed versions go online?
sessions 1-73 have been "re-listened"; sessions 74-106 remain. the wiki links should stay the same, with the format wiki.lawofone.info/index.php/ra_session_x -- the current version of session 22, for example, will be at http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php/ra_session_22


also, are there any indexing links in the text, or will it just have to be that people link to the session alone, and then read through it to find the relevant excerpt?
there are indexing links at www.lawofone.info. for instance, session 22 question 11 is at http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=22#11

however, www.lawofone.info doesn't yet contain much of the book v material or the changes that have emerged from the relistening. my plan is to finish the re-listening and then apply the changes from wiki.lawofone.info to www.lawofone.info. that may cause the www.lawofone.info links to change, because with the re-integration of the book v material the numbering of the questions will change. the wiki links should not change, but they don't have the indexing feature.

one nice thing about the wiki software: it has a page history feature which allows you to see the changes from the published version to the re-listened version. click on "page history" and then choose versions to compare. for example, this link shows the changes in session 72: http://wiki.lawofone.info/index.php?title=ra_session_72&diff=4351&oldid=3372

eventually i hope to put up a page or pages highlighting the most interesting changes that i have found -- mostly slight changes to ra's statements with an occasional question and answer that was left out altogether.

[David Wilcock]

at the risk of sounding like there's a deadline, do you have any idea how long it will take? weeks, months? the reason why i ask is that enough work is involved that it will be worth doing it right the first time. that means that if the question numbers will change, and links will change, i really shouldn't even touch it until the validated material is integrated back into the core www.lawofone.info site, rather than the original versions as you say are there now.

however, if you've validated the first 75 sessions or so, it may be more expedient (i don't know, you tell me, either way is fine) to put them up on the core site now, so i can start hacking away at the links to anything from books 1, 2 or 3. if none of them go up until it's all done, and that is months away, then i can't even start until it's finished.

there are a bunch more quotes i want to slip in there that i hadn't fully put together before... including a whole "2012 roundup" section and the corresponding, more detailed "what exactly happens in the ascension process" section.

at present i am responsible for about 15 percent of what's in there, and after these additions it'll be about 25 percent. there are things i highlighted in my original copies i have that i didn't add to the study guide for lack of time, and this time i intend to snag 'em all.

for anyone linking to it, the proper author citation would be "by bob childers and david wilcock," and we can also add your (tobey wheelock's) name in whatever way you feel is suitable... just let me know how you want to be credited.

your archetype compilations could go in there in some form at the end, along with the overview notes from the gatherings about the overall progression of matrix, significator, transformation, et cetera... though we would probably stick with childers' original formula and simplify the text in places while providing the link back so people can see it in its original form.

it really will involve several days of work (at least) where that's all i do, but it will be worth it in the end. it should (and will) be in place long before we get the convergence film released, so people can turn on to this material in a way i could have only dreamed of when i first found the books 11 years ago.

the law of one as written is a very difficult read and the study guide has arguably been the most valuable addition to the legacy, based on all the feedback we've had about it over the years, and this will really blow it to a whole new dimension.

jeremy weiland was one of the first who actually read the study guide first and then read the whole series, because by that point he knew where things were going. if you don't understand a lot it can be very confusing to try to follow don's questions only to have the answers contradict him, when you had to struggle to understand the question in the first place. :(

jeremy always said that starting with the study guide made a huge difference for him. it was amazing how fast he picked up on everything... much faster than i ever had, just working through it a piece at a time. he also had a background in the course in miracles going in... and childers has also done a course study guide, though it was rejected by their administration and i personally have not seen it.

and yes... i've used the wiki comparison feature to go between the validated version and the original version, and for someone really into this, it is quite fascinating!

- david

[twva]

i've been averaging about one session per week. it seems to go in bursts, so some weeks i can crank out three or four while other times a month or two lapses before i do another tape. it's harder than one might think -- ra speaks so slowly and uninflectedly that my mind starts to wander off and before i know it i've missed the last few words or more and have to rewind the tape. plus i start thinking about what they're saying, often noticing a new wrinkle or implication. it's like a very philosophical guided meditation. more than ever, i'm very, very impressed with the way don elkins came up with intelligent follow-ups to ra's statements.

i think your idea of applying the changes as i go is a good one. i'll take a crack at the first couple of sessions. (it's been a while since i set up the database and i'm going to have to re-familiarize myself with it to make sure i don't break anything in the transition.)

one thing we should think about is whether the study guide should point people to the edited or "unedited" versions. the edited versions are nice because they tighten up don's questions. (when i read the books i was amazed at the way his thoughts seemed to come so fluently. after listening to the tapes i realize that, though he was indeed impressively fluent, he did have a little help from an editor [carla, i believe])

as to credit -- maybe you could just mention, if you link to lawofone.info, that i built that site. i shouldn't get credit for the study guide itself -- that's you and bob childers. (do you know anything about bob childers, btw? does he have a site?)

the archetype study guides are really just a copying and pasting of the archetype categories (e.g. http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?category=tarot&start_row=30#01+matrix+of+the+mind ) into an openoffice document and then saving as pdf. so you could either include the pdfs or link to the appropriate category/subcategory.

speaking of the categories, it might make sense if we coordinated efforts on them. so that the study guide section on the law of one, for example, could link to the law of one category at lawofone.info. if there are categories i've left out, or question/answers i've left out of categories, let me know and i'll add them.

[Mtoth04]

i have to agree completely with david here. reading the study guide first increases comprehension of the ra material ten-fold. i recommend stating that on your site somewhere david.

a quick hello to tobey as well! your study guide was equally as invaluable at the archetypes gathering this year. good to talk to you again.

love and light,
~mike toth

[twva]

hi mike -- good to "see" you again :)

[SpiralCycle]

i have read to book for and all of this has tied in nicely with the string of information i have treaded upon from various sources and think i can tie most of it in with other works but still do not see or can not find the study guide you guys mention....

is it just going over the browse by catagory here: http://www.lawofone.info/? or is it an actual book in pdf format?

i intend to re-read the series probably here in a few months after i conquer the convergance series so this might help out quite a bit from what you guys have explained earlier and i am also having freind reading it and can give him a head start as well. please indicate the location of this study guide if possible. or maybe it is right in front of my face but am not putting 2 and 2 together. thanks.

[twva]

still do not see or can not find the study guide you guys mention...

the study guide is at http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=23&itemid=36

[jeremy6d]

glad to see the study guide is still online, david - it really is helpful to new students! ra's diction is a nightmare to parse, and laying out the concepts prior to jumping into the text itself is a good idea.

incidentally, i took a lot of notes at the archetypes conference which l/l sponsored last year - perhaps that would be a useful addition? you can review my materials here (http://blog.6thdensity.net/?page_id=386).

thanks to you, tobey, for continuing the re-listening project. tobey and david, please let me know if there's anything i can do to help you guys out. and david, does your blog offer an rss feed? if there's any way to turn that on, that would make it much easier to keep up with you.

take care, everybody!

[soup]

...ra's diction is a nightmare to parse...

generally i disagree with this image of ra's diction, but then again i have a sort of odd perspective that somehow renders nightmares as legitimate forms of experience as related to, in more cases than not, bad cases of indigestion. so what i'm trying recommend here is: grab a delicious bowl of ice cream and get cozy while you dig in to the wonders of ra...

[jeremy6d]

generally i disagree with this image of ra's diction, but then again i have a sort of odd perspective that somehow renders nightmares as legitimate forms of experience as related to, in more cases than not, bad cases of indigestion. so what i'm trying recommend here is: grab a delicious bowl of ice cream and get cozy while you dig in to the wonders of ra...

lol! you are one of a kind, man. ;)

[soup]

you are one of a kind, man.

thanks, i'll take that as a complement, even though i admit that only a portion of me seems "one of a kind." another portion of me seems very common and humble, of little significance - that's probably the part that enjoys ice cream to such extent. i gave up cofee, now i eat mocha flavored ice cream instead, it keeps me awake as i read sometimes.

[SuperManny]

i shouldn't get credit for the study guide itself -- that's you and bob childers. (do you know anything about bob childers, btw? does he have a site?)
bob childers does not have a website as he is somewhat computer-shy. he is currently teaching a class on the law of one as it relates to a course in miracles. he is an outstanding teacher (ra would probably call him a wanderer) but i seriously doubt if he will ever have his own website. it's highly unlikely, altho possible that he might hook up with a web-savvy individual that could help him do this. he is now fully retired so i would say the chances have gone from none to slim. i see him regularly at the class and i would be happy to relay any message or i could provide you with his email address if you wish. just let me know.

blessings
manny

[soup]

...a class on the law of one as it relates to a course in miracles...


there seems some component of perception there - that as people change the way they think such things can seem somewhat obvious, as if there's a transition from oblivious to obvious somehow.

maybe that's a "purpose of life" that many seek knowingly or not.

soup

[soup]

its nice that the wiki page is iphone compatible. thanks for that!

soup

[soup]

someone somewhere mentioned a slowness of speech of ra words, and that somehow has me reflecting upon location. sometimes i think of the ra contact as being co-located with the trio, as if existing in a parrallel unseen plane, and other times i think of ra as remotely communicating via carla, which allows them to be far away. if ra is far away, would that cause a pause in reply - or if they were co-located wouldn't that indicate an absense of pause?

also, i think of the number folly as indicating the absense of a computering device as we understand them, as if exisiting in a detached way from such materialisms.


soup