sharing

[Clark stewart]

holy moli,

i just had a dream this am, about this # 3168, whoow, i was being presented
it, in such a way that it represented a b-ball team stat, that they wanted
me to play for, and i told them that i was much to busy with research and
the like, the female rep (that i knew from elementary, jr.high), had then
said well..
you could play part time, out of this many games....3168, i would only have
to play when i want, and that they really needed me on the team..!
crazy, thanks david, you just brought a whole lot of meaning, i now see what
they mean by this b-ball team anology..smiles
and thank you jason for typing maddness, as i missed that show too.

>
hey rod, could you describe the process of 'walking in' ..

hey david, if and when time is made in this area, i feel that it would be
greatly appreciated to have further dream guidelines, for those who wish to
do there own readings.

i would like to open the idea of 'our' local shared cu's , w respect to this
forum, and that we can now bring it to another level, if you 'guys' wish to
do so.

this could be done through sharing dreams, visions, visual ex's, breathing
ex's, yoga ex's, the reason i mention this now, is due to the feeling that
many here have yet to realize the master within, and how we can open this
via each other...the world.
i think everyone here could share at least one thing, something that may be
considered precious, could be anything, if you desire to do so..

just an idea..of bring collectivity to a organized platform, out of the
chaos relms, a little more .

pbwyall,
clark

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[Mawk]

hiya clark and fellow seekers,

i thought i might share a dream that relates to some of the last weeks
discussion. this dream is related to one of the hall of records and some
clues to its location.

28/8/00 i was woken up by a phone call from a friend. i recalled i was in
the middle of a dream. initially i got a map of mexico, in particular
yucatan. i was somewhere in the american or central american wilderness. i
came to a house that was in a forest. apparently in the 1840s the site of
the house used to be a timber mill. a short distance from the house hidden
behind some scrub was a stone obelisk. only 50 cm of the obelisk was showing
although i knew it was around 10 meters long. the full picture on the
obelisk was of a man that looked like a native mayan but was not. i got the
impression that the obelisk was an indicator to one of the fabled atlantean
halls of knowledge. the hall was in a small valley that with the passing of
time was buried at least as deep as the obelisk. the obelisk had writing on
it as well that was also significant but i was woken before i got the
meaning.

i had been talking to two friends the night before about the hall of
knowledge. i had also been watching the series that night about the search
for the lost civilization but i feel asleep half way through the second
episode. after the dream i watched the second episode again. the interesting
thing was that the landscape in this episode where the olmec pyramids were
located looked like the landscape in the dream.

at the time i was only aware of the speculation of a hall of records under
the sphinx. about a month after this though i red in one of the cayce books
that yucatan was another possible location. i was stunned when i red that.
at the time i was also considering that there would be some kind of logic
behind the locations of the halls. as cayce mentioned that there were three
halls of knowledge i then checked the locations in my atlas. interestingly
yucatan is exactly 120 degrees from giza in egypt (i.e. one third of the way
around the world). actually many ancient sites are connected to giza though
usually through precessional numbers such as 72 and 144 degrees. look at
angkor in cambodia for example. this site is also coded with the number 54
(i.e. three quarters of 72). another interesting thing about angkor that i
red in a recent national geographic was that jpl was doing some research
there. makes you wonder what there interest would be with such a site!!

another friend who is very experienced in obe assures me that the hall of
records does exist under the sphinx. from other experiences i now realise
that there is a strong link between the hall of records, the akashic
records, the world's grid and the star arcturus. that might be enough for
today though.

cheers,

mawk

[Clark stewart]

most excellantea',

for anyone who is interested in these relations(grid wise), you may want to
journey to the bookstore to check a graham hancock book, "heaven's mirror",
lot's of very intense photos..
well illustrated..

pbwyall,
clark

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[Clark stewart]

just a theory i thought i would share.

for all those on the list that have cats, and do let them out side, this may
interest you.

several months ago, i was noticing that my cat liked to disappear, for
approx. 20-30hrs, as i live in a lush area, there is much to go to.
understandable, you might say, but it was the periodic occurences that
intrigued me.
i also noticed interesting little differences in the 'way' reality was.
now he would not do this for a month or so, maybe longer, and yes even when
it is nice or not, he goes on these sabiticals.
well he just went on another, starting from the 21st to the 22 nd, and it
didn't hit me until, i went to the
http://www.spaceweather.com/ site..
then ...well...x1.6..!!
i have heard of animals reacting strangly, prior to earthquakes, why not
increased photon fields..?
especially the egyptian reveared cat/felion...
now what i also noticed was that the neighbor was looking for her cats twice
so far out of the times i have scene her, and these days she was looking
coorelated with a cat sebaticals.
so my cat is not special, in this regard, you cat owners keep your eyes
peeled if interested, let's see if we can rediscover some significance to
the cat-felion connection with subtle energies.

pbwy,
clark,
ps thanks for the article post..pdf...smiles...hugs..
>

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from: clark stewart [mailto:fudoshin09@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=dzunnrqppdtvwcyquu9r0bx20ohs8fnssrequm 61-ytpjuolaje0t158ruhebvi-ku-d1xzypou2cdzlpqnq9w)]

just a theory i thought i would share.

dw: well, i'm all about science.

several months ago, i was noticing that my cat liked to disappear, for
approx. 20-30hrs, as i live in a lush area, there is much to go to...

now what i also noticed was that the neighbor was looking for her cats twice
so far out of the times i have scene her, and these days she was looking
coorelated with [my] cat sebaticals...

pbwy,
clark

dw: now clark, you realize that there are an infinity of comic directions
that we could take with this, re some of the names involved with cats that
have other connotations... such as a "pzy party," etc. etc.... you know, "i
do see the correlation, and you're right clark, it's directly related to
heat...", or "wow, what kind of breed is your cat, anyway?," "what a
purr-fct mystery," that sort of thing.

honestly, sometimes it's really sad that my natural talent as a stand-up
improvisational comedian / musician never really seems to carry over too
well to this list, where everyone expects me to be so darn serious all the
time, like how our old buddy smon the hydra would only speak as though he
were god... (and i guess none of us are "making it" because we didn't
believe.)

i prefer to glorify the fact that my creature-self still remains, and likes
to have a good chuckle... even sneak out of the house from time to time
and...

- david

[just kidding... :) ]

[Tarzan]

from: paul dorner [mailto:pjd777@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=q38wxzxlvrfb0m_3lsdxsfy_wnvpvrnpfvfqlb gpo--5bwuu7wwjxldcc9tyhc21-cyr2689znpvcv51)]

... and told him of my dilema hoping i might borrow his
pick up truck.......................his responce was "whats
in it for me".............
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
paul, et al.,

quite frankly, i can't blame the dude for not letting you
borrow his truck. i have trucks, dozens of chainsaws and
other power equipment, most of which a lot of people can
benefit from my sharing not only my expensive, high-quality
equipment, but also my skills as well. but i don't ever let
anyone use my equipment. ever. people for the most part
have no clue as to how to properly run equipment, so am i
being "selfish" in steadfast refusal in loaning out my
expensive equipment? no, i don't think so. i have had many
ask me if they could borrow my equip, but each time i
explain why i don't lend out my equip.

i have done "pro bono" work for some others, but there's a
fine line between doing good for others without having that
"good" being turned into a "gimme" situation where one's
sharing turns into an expected gift that is demanded and
taken for granted.

if one needs to use something that another has, it is best
to first offer a possibility of a trade of some value of
some kind so that both parties can benefit in some voluntary
way and a balanced exchange of energy/value could be made.

yea, i have frequently thought that it would be great if
we did a lot more sharing of valuable things such as tools,
but the problems with this idea are too many and the
benefits to those who own the machines are too few, so this
idea in today's kind of world won't fly.

~seth


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[Lesley Schultz]

dear seth, paul, et al, l/l & peace to all:

i can undersand your not wanting to share your tools
and power stuff with other people....i've seen some
pretty awful accidents with powertools, done to
themselves by people that didn't know how to work
them. and unfortunately, these days you could do a
good deed by lending someone a potentially dangerous
tool or vehicle, they get hurt and who gets sued-- you
do. my dad, who was an electrical engineer and
relentless tinkerer, had tools that he was very
particular about. some were dangerous, others were
easily broken or damaged. someone who didn't
understand the right way to use them could hurt
themselves or destroy the tool.

i've also done pro-bono work for people, as pure
favors. but as you say, seth, you have to be careful
about doing those. i have a tendency to be suspicious
and paranoid, which also means that i tend to feel
used pretty easily. this is a failing i'm trying to
work hard on improving, but i'm not there yet.

i think some people don't want to share as much
because, depending on the way permission to use
something is asked, it can feel like coersion or
manipulation. when you don't know someone well, you
have to be very careful in creating the trust
necessary to share to avoid eventual hurt feelings.
of course, once the trust is created then the upward
spiral of sharing/love/light also comes into being,
and much more is possible. what's fun is when people
volunteer to help you out...when you accept their
help, they feel *so* good, and you feel good too.
sometimes making the first move to volunteer is all
that's needed for creating that cycle of trust.

i was a purchasing agent for 9 years. i know quite a
bit about deals. often the best ones are those that
are made where not just product and money change
hands. the best ones often include the creation of a
good relationship between buyer and seller. by
extension, the sharing relationship can also be
improved over simple giver & taker. giving back is a
good way of cementing relationships where there is a
transaction involved, because it creates a ready
bridge to other opportunity. the giving-back need not
necessarily be exactly in kind, or even precisely fair
exchange. i don't think this is necessarily the only
way. however, it works perfectly well in 3d and will
probably help us get through the initial stages of 4d
also. i should also mention that the sharing of
intangible things like love, light or friendship,
brings by far greater satisfaction than sharing
chainsaws, pliers, books or videos.

blessings,
~lesley






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[HappyYoga@...]

in a message dated 5/24/2004 10:37:43 pm eastern standard time,
pjd777@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=eywjr5zo1azxhy7qxtnstr6efihealbzpntdko v7t31o7ectvd7eqfvsifng5nfzca4lx6wmpj18yg) writes:
most of us cannot even imagine a society based on cooperation can we?



well, it sure is fun though. lets envision this! after all the changes
coming upon us are not really being done "to" us, as much as unfolding from
within
our awakening selves. it is a ripe time to at least think about what kind of
a world we would like to live in and see our progeny live in.

:)


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[Paul Dorner]

yes tarzan i certainly would not hand over my delicate sensitive equipment
either, to any joe smoo who wanted to borrow it
especially in the world we live in and certainly not if i made my livelihood
with it.

that's not my point but i'm not particularly good with words or people.


i have a book here called no contest ......the case against
competition.......and it is basically about our competitive capitalist insane
society,

most of us cannot even imagine a society based on cooperation can we?

think about it ..........instead of you against the world,(which is how
capitalism is set up).

it will be you working for the world,

which you may say,,,,, aw that sucks, that's enslavement!!!

no, it is enslavement now , where the many serve the few,

this new way of thinking in 4d is that, yes you are now working totally for
the world, but also remember in this new way of thinking.................every
body in the world is working for you!



paul dorner


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[NEIL HADDON]

->
---- original message -----
from: paul dorner
that's not my point most of us cannot even imagine a society based on
cooperation can we?

think about it ..........instead of you against the world,(which is how
capitalism is set up).

it will be you working for the world,

every body in the world is working for you!<


as a new 'lurker', thank you for bringing the topic back to asc2k principles.
neil





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[Beverly Thompson]

dear asc2k friends:

happyyoga wrote: it is a ripe time to at least think about what kind of a world
we would like to live in and see our progeny live in.

bev: i am having the urge to plant garden all over the farm this year. not
just in the garden, but under the fruit trees, around the compost pile, next to
the barn, anyplace that looks good. if just half of the stuff i've planted
comes up, i'll be stopping people going past the house and begging them to take
something so it won't go to waste.

healing love,
bev

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[HappyYoga@...]

in a message dated 5/25/2004 3:05:36 pm eastern standard time,
beverly46@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=zrss61d187ocdxmk999eco3uulg6jgjlb8du-5e-jrsbpxtkbo08058_zkbf3b3zxa0alhnlsvbmuyp5cea) writes:
if just half of the stuff i've planted comes up, i'll be stopping people
going past the house and begging them to take something so it won't go to waste.

beautiful idea!!! wow! i am just smiling on that one!


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[Jeremy Weiland]

> most of us cannot even imagine a society based on
> cooperation can we?

such a society would rely on individuals who are
responsible and aware. and unfortunately, i only have
control over one individual. the best thing you can
do to improve society is to improve yourself.
individuals who are enlightened, secure, and
responsible can get along in any system.

love and light,

jeremy




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[Lesley Schultz]

hi jeremy, l/l & peace to all:

--- jeremy weiland <greenlantern113@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ypbueaeaczuhea5y82evcbdrtwq5rznbwr75-drvt0fnkezsbkyhcilclwk5gvqj9jka6e_55wrvbmp8bd_0jtv mhio)> wrote:
> snip> the best thing you can do to improve society
is to improve yourself. individuals who are
enlightened, secure, and responsible can get along in
any system.
>
> ls: i would have to agree with that assessment. i
don't know how everything will settle down once the
real shaking starts [political, environmental,
economic, etc.] it might be premature to talk about
social engineering of new and perfect societies. the
word for a perfect social order is utopia, and there
have been many, many writings on the subject and even
live social experiments to see if a utopia is
possible. all have failed. the consensus on why
they've all failed is because humankind does not
change. according to those of ra, humankind does not
change because we don't live long enough to learn the
lessons that would enable us to change. the reasons
why we don't live long enough have to do with
disharmony, aggression, anger, etc. all of which
shorten our lives. human bodies were engineered to
live 700-900 years.

it's been theorized that the recording of history, its
ready availability to many people, and the
improvements in science and technology that enable us
to understand our fellow human beings much better than
we ever have, can make up for this shortcoming. that,
and the improvements in the human body itself through
the addition of transitional 4d energies, better
nutrition, better medicine, etc. etc. yes, we're
smart enough to learn from our previous mistakes. if
we want to learn from them, of course. will the
emerging societies that come about post-transition be
made up of people that want to learn, and can learn,
to do better? i would suppose so.

jeremy is right; we have to begin at home, with
ourselves, to create what we would like to have in our
futures. we won't all be creating exactly the same
thing, but like attracts like ["birds of a feather,
flock together..."]

i have the feeling that, in the very beginning, the
new birds of the 4d earth will be bedraggled chickens
and draggle-tailed roosters.

blessings,
~lesley









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[Jeremy Weiland]

> it might be premature to talk about social
> engineering of new and perfect societies.

yeah, our recent conversation just hammered home what
i forgot: we're not going to get *anywhere* by waiting
for the world to change. we've got to make that
change within before the true outer order can emerge.
both the inner and outer evolution towards greater
unity are really manifestations of the same energetic
trend, but at this level of consciousness we only have
control over one factor - the individual. i believe
it is only through the individual - the only unit in
3d that can legitimately take action or assume
responsibility - that things can happen in 3d. you're
not going to get it by waiting around for the
ascension, that's for sure.

> the word for a perfect social order is utopia, and
> there have been many, many writings on the subject
> and even live social experiments to see if a utopia
> is possible. all have failed. the consensus on why
> they've all failed is because humankind does not
> change.

exactly - and i think most individuals feel that we
are close to a utopia. but we must recognize that
this feeling can be perverted into a nightmare when
our individual power is surrendered to false
authority. we will only recognize the utopia as a
function of individuals creating it for themselves.

thanks, lesley!

love and light,

jeremy




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[Elmer]

i'm wondering how members of this group have attempted
to share your knowledge of this subject with those
around you, and how much success you've had.

have you talked with family and friends about
channeling material, 2012, ascension, et-al? if so,
how was it received?

also, aside from joining this discussion group, what
other efforts have you made to spread the word? any
local study groups or something similar?

"my goal is to get to heaven and take my friends with
me"

elmer


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[Janae B. Weinhold]

elmer . . . here's what i've been doing.

about a year and a half ago, i began integrating 2012, the mayan
calendar and ascension into workshops i was doing. people seemed hungry
for more, so i began doing free powerpoint presentations in the
asheville, nc area where i live . . . a lot in the community rooms of
the local health food stores, one of the edgar cayce groups, then some
of the new age bookstores and a few privately scheduled events for a
groups of friends. now i am organizing an 8-week series with one the
larger book stores that will feature local & regional speakers who
share not only information about the shift, but practical tools that
help people move more consciously through it. it will include both a
reading and website list as resources. other venues that are on my
agenda are the new thought churches: unity, unitarian universalist,
religious science.

i also wanted to see where some of my friends who aren't into this much
are with the idea of extra-terrestrial and higher dimensional sources
of information support. so i sent this little ditty out to some of them
and asked for feedback. i was really surprised to find that most of
them were in tune with it.

> 1. intelligent life does exist on other planets and throughout the
> universe.
> 2. craft not of human design or manufacture are operating in and
> around the land, sea and air of earth.
> 3. intelligent beings other than homo sapiens sapiens are conducting
> various missions on this planet. these beings have been coming here
> for tens of thousands of years.
> 4. alien beings may have human-like bodies or non-human bodies (such
> as hybrid, insectoid, or reptilian). intelligent beings can be
> physical, non-physical or inter-dimensional in nature.
> 5. the variety of life in the universe is diverse, like the life on
> our own planet is diverse.
> 6. some alien beings have the ability ? through advanced technology or
> other means ? to move forward and backward at will through time and
> space.
> 7. the spiritual evolution of an alien life form may be ahead of,
> equal to or behind its level of technological development.
> 8. the social orientation, motives and agendas of these beings is very
> diverse. some alien intelligences are more friendly to human beings
> than others.
> 9. in many cases, the "abduction phenomenon" is a real event. this
> activity is complex, coordinated and purposeful. it often occurs
> throughout many generations of a family.
> 10. cross-breeding of humans with more than one alien species has
> occurred. hybrid children and hybrid adults do exist. they have
> characteristics of both the human and alien races.
> 11. although most alien contacts and sightings occurring on modern-day
> earth have been shrouded in secrecy and mystery, the veil is slowly
> being lifted by the activities of civilians and specially assigned
> government personnel. the public acclimation to the reality of alien
> life is proceeding in a way designed not to shock or disrupt society
> any more than necessary.
> 12. a great amount of "ufo" and alien information is now in the public
> domain. countless books, videos and internet web sites are devoted to
> these subjects. thousands of pages of u.s. government documents on
> unusual sightings and encounters have been made available through the
> foia.
>

janae

on aug 10, 2005, at 10:15 am, elmer wrote:

> i'm wondering how members of this group have attempted
> to share your knowledge of this subject with those
> around you, and how much success you've had.
>
> have you talked with family and friends about
> channeling material, 2012, ascension, et-al? if so,
> how was it received?
>
> also, aside from joining this discussion group, what
> other efforts have you made to spread the word? any
> local study groups or something similar?
>
> "my goal is to get to heaven and take my friends with
> me"
>
> elmer


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[John Michael Roods]

elmer,

every opportunity i plant a seed. my kids think i'm weird but they are
beginning to feel the changes themselves. i have three groups i am in and
any opportunity this info plus is interjected. many are looking and feeling
the same things from different points.

i am on a cayce yahoo group and as i shared some info on the 25,920 cyle a
soul in norway brought forth many other sources that have this cyle in their
cosmology.....the expansion and discussion blossomed for a short while. the
seed was planted.


i have been sharing cayce / ra for at least ten years...now dw and
ascension. in 2001 i went on a cruise of enlightenment by are and was
directed to the prophecies of the maya. this was about the third
....coincidence ....so i keep the ball rolling.

i went to atlanta (600 mi) to see dw and left with his blessings i would
have him present in sw florida. (sept) others drove further distances to
be there.

this presentation opportunity has led to many opportunities to plant the
seed.

cayce readings said that this is all we can do. if we get a positive
response we can share more but any arguing or insistence is not productive
and interferes with free will. the seed is the source.


johnny appleseed did the same.

mike
as i do to others, i do to myself


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subject: [asc2k] sharing
date: wed, 10 aug 2005 07:15:34 -0700 (pdt)

i'm wondering how members of this group have attempted
to share your knowledge of this subject with those
around you, and how much success you've had.

[lealdragon]

what a great question! when i first got into all this `new age'
stuff i was just like the fundamentalists ? i ran around trying to
convert everyone! i remember many years ago, telling this guy at
work that there would definitely be some major earth changes very
soon, for sure by 1987!

needless to say, i probably turned a lot more people off of this
stuff than on.

when i read the loo, i was astounded at ra's respect of free will,
and refusal to violate the free will of those who might not choose
to know about all this stuff.

so i try to align myself with this philosophy, and only give info
when asked, or at the very least when i get some sort of clue that
the person might be interested.

there is a guy at work who told me he is very, very much into
channeled info, so i loaned him the loo books and directed him to
dw's website and llresearch.org, and he is now totally into it!

but such occurrences are rare. ironically, most of the people whom
i've met that were already into channeled stuff weren't open to the
loo books, which i found odd, until i realized that many of them
were just really caught up in their `own' channelings.

more often, i just try to put out `feelers' ? like i might joke that
i'm an alien, or mention crop circles and see how people respond. i
often give out gina cerminara's many mansions - it's great for
bridging the gap between mainstream christianity and such esoteric
concepts as reincarnation.

dw's website is much more accessible than the loo, because of the
scientific references. so, i give that address out much more freely
than i do the loo books. anyway, if they can handle the site, then
they will find out about lots more info, including the loo, so
whatever is appropriate for that person will likely be brought to
his/her attention.

i don't usually mention 2012 because most people would likely think
i'm one of those `doom and gloom' flakes. and, i do not want to
instill fear.

but, i might mention planetary cycles. if the person is christian, i
usually try to find some common ground, and hopefully cut thru some
of the anti-new-age bias that they often have, by pointing out that
the different religions are basically saying the same thing, and
what christians call the `rapture' is what new agers call the `new
age' etc. it's not often that they are open to these ideas, but it
does happen sometimes.

mostly, i just try to be a friend, just be there for that person,
rather than trying to `wake them up'. reading the loo has made me
realize that it is far more important to help people be joyful and
loving (by being joyful and loving ourselves) than it is
to `enlighten' them with knowledge that might not even be useful to
them, and might even be harmful in the sense of instilling fear.

it really just depends on the person and the situation. people at
work all think i'm weird, so sometimes i have fun and tell them i'm
really an alien. quite tongue-in-cheek, of course! they call me
names like `monica moonbeams' and `treehugger'. ha, if only they
knew!

i have one very dear friend who is a born-again christian and we
pray together often and she has helped me when i was really at rock
bottom. we discuss faith, and spiritual challenges, etc. as far as
she knows, i am a christian, just like her. and in the true sense of
the word, i am. i believe she is a wanderer who is working within
the christian community. it would serve absolutely no purpose to
freak her out with some of my beliefs that she would consider
strange. all that matters is her love, and she sure does have a lot
of love!

my hubby and son, of course, know all about everything i am into.
they're not as into it as i am, but they are very open and we are
currently reading the loo and convergence together. i am grateful
that my hubby already knew i was into all this stuff b4 we got
married, and he was already into a lot of new age stuff himself. our
son has been brought up with it. i know it must be harder when one
spouse changes and the other doesn't.


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=h565emmnqrvmmlho39qm6bu-d39uju-w4boipt9sehzxbessd1rw_oxemuuzqa1hqya7zl9zay4aanpmc w), elmer <tree5131@y...> wrote:
> have you talked with family and friends about
> channeling material, 2012, ascension, et-al? if so,
> how was it received?

[lealdragon]

yes, very true. i remember when i first heard of edgar cayce, more
than 25 years ago, and i was so afraid to investigate the info! it
took me a number of years to unshackle myself from the dogma i'd been
brought up with.

i learned a great deal from ra about being respectful of where people
are at.

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=mnqf494wk259k0pm4xgkpf3w7w3xzxm3vqwyfz m_4oivhyzk2jehnqfoic1nn3uvntgnm797fxt0w9uf), petrus <petrus@b...> wrote:
> ...gradual. if i had been shown this material five years ago, i
would have
> rejected it out of hand; i wouldn't have been ready for it,
primarily
> because back then i had the belief that *any* channelled material
was
> demonically inspired by default.

[Janae B. Weinhold]

after reading so many postings in the last week with people explaining
and sometimes defending their posts, themselves and others, i have to
say that i am picking up a lot of drama triangle dynamics:

persecutor
rescuer
victim

it is wearing me out and turning me off.

how to spot the triangle and get off it, rather than perpetuating it,
might be a useful topic for this forum.

janae

[Petrus]

lealdragon wrote:

> what a great question! when i first got into all this `new age'
> stuff i was just like the fundamentalists ? i ran around trying to
> convert everyone! i remember many years ago, telling this guy at
> work that there would definitely be some major earth changes very

hi dragon,
i see a lot of people on irc still occasionally who are very devout
christians and very adamant about what they believe. they try and
convert people, and can often unfortunately become quite derogatory of
people who refuse to agree with their beliefs. my own perspective has
become that it is virtually impossible to convert a person to a
different belief system all in one hit. my own belief transition to a
point where i was able to encompass the law of one material was very
gradual. if i had been shown this material five years ago, i would have
rejected it out of hand; i wouldn't have been ready for it, primarily
because back then i had the belief that *any* channelled material was
demonically inspired by default. first (about two years ago) my partner
introduced me to some of james redfield's books, which i read. then i
discovered bruce moen's website which lay more of the groundwork for my current
beliefs. then finally, someone on the afterlife knowledge forum mentioned
something on david's site, with a link to it. that sounded interesting to me by
then, so i followed the link and found the ra material.
if i come across someone online who sounds like they might be interested
in my philosophy, i'll sometimes give them a few links...but it very
rarely happens.