How does 2012 affect your daily choices?

[Mozart]

I am wondering how your perception of the 2012 event has affected your daily choices, hence my question here about the relationship of the coming 2012 event and your daily choices that you make.


As for me I don't worry about anything that would last past 2012, such as making contracts that would last longer than six years. So no long-term contracts for me.


I don't fuss over scientific articles that project beyond the 2012 time period, as there's many scientific articles that project to 2020, 2050 and so on. What's the point about fussing over anything beyond 2012 anyway?


I don't fuss over old age, as I'll be 52 in 2012, which is still a young age, especially if one takes good care of oneself, so "old age" does not enter my mind.


Yet I still am planting trees, creating gardens with long-term potential and am still building food-creating places at which people can grow food and sell them locally.


I used to fuss over the idea of anthropocentric global warming, but now that I realize that the anthropocentric aspect of the warming trend is a small one (single digits, as I understand it), I no longer fuss over the idea of contributing to the global warming by the use of my petro-burning rigs (a Nissan 4x4 King Cab truck, plus a beat-up 4x4 Ford that I like to call it my "motorized wheelbarrow"). I do hate the fact of spending money on something that enriches the PTB-b****rds who own the oil companies, but, at this late stage of the end-times, there's not enough time to really make big changes....or is there? But I'd really love to install a "Joe Cell" unit, if it really works, so I'll go to a talented local channel to find out if it really works; if it does, I'll proceed to install it and give out free instructions so that others can install it so that the bondage to the PTBs can start to be broken.


But the idea of the 3-D matrix/reality being "reloaded" by the humans who remain in the 3-D reality that will have shifted from 3-D space/time to 3-D time/space may indicate that what one does now prior to the 2012 Big Shift may have an effect--positive or negative--well into the 3-D time/space reality that may last 100 to 700 years of time as currently counted.


So in that sense, maybe I ought to apply my skills/knowledge in the sphere of governance in a way that can empower the People, rather than empower the PTBs, most of whom would presumably wind up in the same 3-D time/space "reloaded" reality that most humans on this planet would wind up in? I dunno. This is still an unsettled question that I haven't come to a resolution to, yet.


Hence my central quest to start my meditations, which are coming along, um, slowly. No bells and whistles yet, but I do feel a deeper sense of relaxation into my present moments from my meditations so far.


To me it is of the highest priority to grow spiritually in whatever way that I can and to let go of any remaining karma that I may have, as well as to help in whatever way that I can to help bring in as much Light/Love that I can between now and 2012.

[pyramidnj]

From the information we have been provided by reputable scientists, David, RA and many others, there is a several year span of tumultuous climatic, earth and cosmic activity that is likely. Thus, it is doubtful that we will wait until 2012 to experience "earth-shattering" upheavals on this planet. There is a good possibility it will begin in an explosive manner even in 2010/2011.

Awareness of all of this and of the Ascension does impact on how we carry out our daily lives. I am grateful that you raised this issue, Mozart, because I am very aware of change in myself. Sometimes I am uncertain about how to completely refocus my entire life so that I am not just floating around in some state of limbo-life.

I have been getting the inner message to simplify my life, and yes -- to focus on being the best possible version of me at this point in my evolution, including letting go of attachments to certain foods, things, places, people. It doesn't mean that they are not to be enjoyed, but I sense that it is more an enjoyment in the here and now, in this precious moment that I have right now, with no longings, no cravings....just being fully present in the moment with each pleasure and being fully capable of moving on with no lingering regrets or attachments.

Even with our loved ones, I sense the same thing. It is a time of healing of old wounds, of loving as completely and as unconditionally as we possibly can, of allowing ourselves to give sincere reverence to the Law of Free Will, ensuring that in every imaginable way we are respecting that Law with all of our being with regards relationships with our friends, companions, spouses, children, etc.

I feel that we must prepare ourselves to be able to walk away [or be separated by circumstances out of our physical control] at any moment from homes, cars, money, pets and countless other things, as well as loved ones, without allowing ourselves to be emotionally drained by the process. There will be huge upheavals and what will appear to be extraordinary losses [where in reality, after the upheavals have passed, it will only be better than what we have known in 3D]...I do understand, for I feel like I am approaching a state of suspended reality. A natural planner, I am making efforts to begin minimizing my penchant for long range planning. I have the urge to begin lightening my material "burdens" by giving away a lot of the non-essential things that I have so others may benefit at least for a while.

With awareness and knowledge come a tremendous responsibility. Even though we are still wrapped up in the veil, we still know that change is
" a-comin' " -- with every breath we take, we must be much more accountable, loving, kind, generous, patient, compassionate and responsible in all that we do, think, say and manifest under all circumstances----if 4D and higher is the goal for each of us. By being so responsible, we not only uplift all Life around us including the planetary consciousness, but we also are assuming the role of catalysts for positive transformation in our own experiential environments.

I am so grateful for this forum, for so relatively few people in my area and circle of friends/acquaintances/family are open to this information or seem to really care. I am concerned that my two older sons even think I am sinking into mental oblivion when I speak of these events to come, the approaching opening of the skies and acknowledgment of our brothers and sisters from other planets, the importance of personal transformation in the here and now, etc. So, I have ceased forwarding information related to 2012, and I am allowing Spirit to move me in the direction of those with whom I may be fully open.

Now, the question I have for David and our other friends here in this group: How necessary is it for us to begin to prepare survival kits or alternate safe locations, "just in case?" Or, is it preferable for us to remain where we live now, living each day to the fullest, and not being concerned about the possibility of a catastrophic end coming to our bodies? How important is it for us to consider physical preservation when a majority of persons on this planet become aware that the big stuff is about to hit the fan? Or is it irrational to even think of such in light of the magnitude of the devastation that should be expected? hmmmmmm................

[MarkM]

Some people I know live by the credo, "eat, drink, be merry, for tomorrow we die." This is an extreme viewpoint to be sure, usualy dispelled by the first inklings of spiritual awakening. Then again, I have heard folks say, "eat, drink and be merry, for we shall live forever." I feel that the choices and plans I lay down in my life now will translate in unimaginable and beautiful ways into my future, notwithstanding ascension in 5-6 years. I plan for my children's future well beyond 2012, even for my own retirement (even though I'm the same age as you) with a gut feeling that there will be an extrapolation of even these seemingly mundane issues forever into my future and that of my loved ones and on into humanity at large. I can remember dreams I've had in the past where I awaken and say, 'thank GOD it was only a dream!! I'm off the hook!' thinking it was only a dream, but now I realize there's a quantum connectiveness to life that needs to be realized and assimilated. To me, there's no sudden breaking point at which life issues cease to be relevant at the ascension, however mundane they may seem. There will be a "beautiful continuity" as we tread into a brave and beautiful new arena of existence. Carry on carrying on! (hope I don't sound preachy!)

[jax]

Hi. I'm from Colorado and have been reading and thinking about 2212 since I first learned of the so called "shift" in the late '70s. One thing I have done is teach myself about gardening and growing things, just in case we have no other way to feed ourselves except from our own gardens. I did put aside extra food and water for the "millennium madness", but of course, nothing happened, so I felt foolish afterwards. This photon belt thing and the 3 days of darkness that is supposed to happen: I have plenty of candles, matches and oil lamps available for that and a pantry full of food that can be cooked on a gas barbeque or in a wood burning fireplace. I have only about 4 jugs of distilled water on hand. I just turned 60 so every day seems like a gift now, so I don't know who knows if I'll be alive in 5 years. What do you tell your kids about the coming shift? So far I have said very little to my grown kids about it. jax in CO

[charran]

Hi PyramidNJ,

You asked: "Now, the question I have for David and our other friends here in this group: How necessary is it for us to begin to prepare survival kits or alternate safe locations, "just in case?" Or, is it preferable for us to remain where we live now, living each day to the fullest, and not being concerned about the possibility of a catastrophic end coming to our bodies? How important is it for us to consider physical preservation when a majority of persons on this planet become aware that the big stuff is about to hit the fan? Or is it irrational to even think of such in light of the magnitude of the devastation that should be expected? hmmmmmm................"

I don't know that there IS a perfect survival kit out there. While I do think it is prudent to plan ahead on things (i.e. have bangages, store extra dry/canned food, supplies and water for whatever comes your way), events in my life have shown me that living in the here and NOW is the most critical surivival kit I could have.

A few years back, hurricane Isabel blew into my area (as a Tropical storm) into the Washington DC area. Washington, DC is not known for its preparedness on huge storms. Heck, even when we get snow it is as if someone dropped an atomic bomb here cause there are so many cars being deserted on the side of the road LOL! I remember that my power had gone out during the tropical storm for about 5-7 days...which meant no TV, no cooking, etc. All the grocery stores were emptied in the area, there weren't enough generators to go around, the county ran out of dry ice, and you couldn't get gas at any local gas stations cause the pumps all run on electricity. I had to go a good 40 minutes away from home to get a meal at a local McDonalds (the best place around for food at the time since deliveries at other places were spotty) and wait in long lines. I felt lucky though. Some people I ran into needed electricity for dialysis, and other medical issues. Many people lost freezers full of meats and groceries. I lost some groceries, but I am one to buy items fresh each week and not over do it with stuff in the freezer (even more so now after this event).

Even with this happening I learned a lot from it. I learned to keep more non-perishable items in the house...and the benefits of not waiting till the last minute to get things done (showed me that I was overwhelmed with my schedule). I learned the value of getting a good night's rest (cause I only had candles to use for a light source should I want to stay up late). I learned the value of patience (especially with all those lines and tempers). I learned that I did not have enough medical supplies in the house and that I needed a backup plan for when my cell phone battery ran out and the cell phone towers ran out of energy.

The best part was that I DID get an even bigger blessing in disguise from it all that I hadn't expected. I had a neighbor that lived in the apartment below me who played his heavy metal music non-stop 24/7...and the walls would literally vibrate and books would move in my apartment above his. Not that I didn't like some of his music...but sometimes I really did need to sleep without feeling like I was in an MTV dreamscape. Management couldn't seem to "fix" the situation with him no matter how many complaints they got from neighbors, but good ol' Isabel did the trick...and for about a week too! I did see him attempting to run cables from his car to his stereo to keep the music goin', but it never quite worked for longer than an hour for him. The peace and quiet I got then helped me to rest up and to go out searching for a new apartment in a more peaceful neighborhood. But then this sounds like another story I've heard recently ;)

I never could have predicted or planned for all of the events that transpired during that timeframe. So I guess to answer your question about preparedness, I think you can only prepare only so far and then you have to rely upon who and what you are in the NOW to see things through. A smile on the face and a ce la vie attitutude ain't so bad either.

Charran

[Elmer]

I'm in this same camp. I've changed the way I approach any long-term issues based on my understandings. The one item in your post I handle differently is the issue of my impact on mother Earth. The way I see it, being a good steward of the environment and efficient in my consumption is showing love and respect for the life-giving host that sustains us. I believe this position to be more closely aligned with the Love of the Creator, and that's the yard stick I use to make my decisions these days.

Besides as Ra says, there's always the eventuality that human consciousness could shift in an instant and all disasters could be avoided. Not probable, but always possible.

Elmer

[Conga]

It is hard to be aware that change is coming and not to change one's approach to the future. I also bought hard into Y2k, and before that I was convinced that an "ascention " type event was going to happen to me , back in 1973.

So having been through great expectations met with the disappointment of getting a prediction wrong, and then going on .I have tried to greatly temper how much I let this effect my outer world. Might be hedging a bet, but I have found that even with what I think is the best insight and advice, I do not or will not know the hour...

But that said, it is also freeing. I have come to the conclusion that the best preparation is the same as the best preparation at any time. Good spirtitual practice.

Meditate. Just because, not to cram for the test. I think that this is always the key. This is the rudder that steers the ship. Without it all actions have no clear guidance. Knowing this, still after 35+ years of on again off again discipline in meditation I struggle to make the time and just do it. But it is just that simple.

Do and be service. Q'uo has deeply enlightened my thought on what that really is.

Keep some company of spirit. We all struggle in this 3d world, and places like this where we can listen and speak from the heart really helps. Read that which inspires you. Follow your bliss.

And being a good steward of the earth, as already mentioned, is to love the earth and show gratitude for the experience of the life given.

I think this is the emergency kit i need to work on. I just read David's latest blogs where he talks about money. I am still putting away to my IRA, doing all those sorts of worldly things. If I never get there, what's the difference, but the experience of "playing the game" in the life you have been given is where the lessons are.

And when the game changes, hopefully so will I.

But glad you brought this up, because it is worthy of some contemplation.


And I do like to make noise...
-Conga

[Art]

I'd have to agree with what is already written and echo it - live everyday to its fullest - in the HERE and NOW. Focus on your own spiritual development and lead by example. Ask yourself, am I serving myself or others? If someone wants to learn, discuss and show them the way. Keep working on enhancing your meditation skills and connecting with your Higher Self. Patience and Commitment are the keys.

As far as preparing, I am mostly against it. I am of the opinion that preparation, while very prudent, is "hanging on" to our current lifestyle. I've read that we must all be willing to sacrifice and "cut ties". To me, preparing is contradictory to these principles. As this New Age dawns (and yes, I believe it will be a drawn-out event that started awhile back and will extend beyond 12/21/2012), we will need to adapt to our new environment. Faced with the prospect of starvation, it seems crazy not to prepare. However, if I am given the choice, I wish to move beyond this realm. I feel that if I were to be well prepared, I may miss my chance and involuntarily elect to stay...

I could settle on developing one's skill-sets though, such as gardening, gathering, etc... I am against the material aspect of preparing...

My biggest problem is that from time to time I find myself spiritually "stagnant". During these times I find myself looking for more ideas, connecting more dots, etc., and NOT moving forward with development and service. Simply put, I seem to be looking for more validation of the events to come, or connecting more ideas and science. I think this is the tricky ego at work. But, I've already discovered the synchronicities and can look back at my path. Things are always so obvious in hindsight. So, once I gather myself, I am able to re-focus on what's important - connecting with my Higher Self, developing, and serving.

Put another way, I believe this "constant validation" to be an obstacle for us to personally conquer. If you're a member of this forum, you're at least somewhat knowledgable of things to come. So, if you find yourself continually researching and questioning ideas, trying to envision the future and decide what to do, then you are on the spiritual path "spiraling", but not moving forward. Make a choice to accept the coming future as true (something will happen), focus on co-creating a positive new world, and proceed in a loving fashion. Have no fear.

And yes, in the meantime, "eat, drink, and be merry" :D Take care -

[remembering]

Now, the question I have for David and our other friends here in this group: How necessary is it for us to begin to prepare survival kits or alternate safe locations, "just in case?" Or, is it preferable for us to remain where we live now, living each day to the fullest, and not being concerned about the possibility of a catastrophic end coming to our bodies? How important is it for us to consider physical preservation when a majority of persons on this planet become aware that the big stuff is about to hit the fan? Or is it irrational to even think of such in light of the magnitude of the devastation that should be expected? hmmmmmm................

Hello,
From my perspective, I have my own belief system on what the event we refer to as 2012. I won't elaborate on it here however; in my knowing that "time" is truly an illusion and the only moment is now, and even though; I have experienced many visions on this date, I have come to accept that this experience is as unique as our own journeys!

I do not choose to "live in fear" on what others may claim will occur. As a matter of fact; what does it matter, we are everlasting and if it so occurs as others claim I see any experience as a blessing. I feel some may choose to experience this "chaos" if you will and that is perfect for I am not going to judge or question the actions of another for that is their divinity. We are everlasting are we not! This is what I believe and know for myself.

If I were to offer an opinion; I believe some may retain in the "3D" and some will proceed on through another incarnation or as I call it here/now to another reality of here/now. It depends on the individuals within the collectives soul agenda.

For me; by living in the moment; most of the time, anyway(LOL) and being attuned to "all of who I am" and aware of my purpose and that includes my Higher Self or Soul if you will then you shall come to find what it is that you are to "do" if anything.

Somethings I have come to discover or "in the know" is to be aware and follow the "synchronicity" patterns that are presented each and every moment of "now." Live your life with the awareness of who you are and the truth that you determime it to be. For me that includes "letting go" of the illusions to an extent which is becoming easier and easier and be the LOVE!

We are ONE!
Tim

[FooSnik]

I read somewhere, I believe it was in one of Brian L. Weiss's books about reincarnation, that the only thing you can take with you for eternity is love and knowledge. I believe these are the only two things of true spiritual value. So I shall continue on my way gaining loving relationships and knowledge from intelligent people such as the lovely community here at D.C. and hopefully a bit of money will come my way for me and my wife to play with before our economic system/stock market crashes. My wife is Bulgarian and one of her favorite sayings is, "Naslajdavai se na Jivota!" Which means "Enjoy the Life!"

[Ceara]

I'm not worried. What will happen, will happen.

I don't see any sense in preparing beyond what I would normally do annually for fall harvest/winter food storage, and I also live at sea level. lol

If we were "alive" before incarnating and will only return to that state of being after physical death, then I just don't see the point of overly preparing for the physical. It's just more "stuff" to worry about.

If 2012 is supposed to be a time of great spiritual growth, then anything material is on the side. And I feel soul growth can and does take place whether we are incarnated or not.

[One 66]

I for one acknowledge what is happening in the present moment and look forward to the events that will happen from now to the year 2012 and thereafter. I deal with events as they happen... live my life as if nothing will happen. I'm grateful for the experience in it all, regardless.

[soup]

I might be more in the spirit of 2012 if I had a mayan calendar that I followed which might give me a better sense of the glyphs in relation to synchronicities within my life. This is how it is with astrology with me, following the moon around the signs and feeling the transits. I'd expand that practice to then somehow correlate that to the Mayan glyphs - then my daily choices might include seeking connection in some abstract. Maybe others do that already.

[Firewalker]

I got a block because of the whole 'planning my future' not crossing well with 2012.

Kinda sucked.

It does effect my daily choices though. It makes me more determined to work things out. Like I was down the other day about something and then saw 20.12. Figure I'll be alright and who gives a crap anyway. I can forgive someone if I'm not going to be spending the rest of my life with them. (E.g. 2012 and you're out, buckaroo.)

[linsybyster]

I don't find we're really preparing for 2012, except that I am starting to meditate and continuing to work on harmonizing my relationships.

I do, however, find that we're re-evaluating our lives these days, and this has led to changes... we are buying land and building an eco-village. We are making great strides to live more lightly on the earth (improving the efficiency of our home and driving less, buying local foods, etc), we're learning skills like permaculture and beekeeping (my husband's new passion, lol), and planning a strawbale house. We want to rely as little as possible on money, and be largely self-sufficient, bartering for much of what we still need (we've chosen a community where we can do this).

One area where I actually have taken 2012 into account is our family planning. We have an 18-month-old daughter and have not decided whether to have a second child. However we have agreed to wait until after 2012 to see what happens and decide then if we will have another. We'd like to adopt our second, so I'll be interested to see how that plays out in the circumstances. I have a feeling the Universe will decide for us.

[Bill]

What a 'coincidence' I stumbled on this forum, and this thread...

This continues to be an interesting challenge for me. I am an engineer, by education, and was recently a Project Manager in a large corporation. Thus, the daily life was about planning, goals, identifying and managing risk, etc. But, with the engineering background, David's work makes a hell of a lot of sense. Over the last 10 years, I absorbed the information of the 'Conversations With God' series by Neale Donald Walsch, and see many similiarities and connections.

So, in the vein of believing that you have to plan and manage risks implies that you believe that there is "Not Enough", and thus must be protected. This goes against spiritually awakening in the CWG work, and also seems to invite the "Negative Greetings" from David's work. But, what a tough habit to break, being used to planning, and goal setting, and managing resources, and trying to go to a mode of not emphasizing what you believe you do not have enough of.

Along with that comes the question presented here. If we wish to ascend in 2012, as I assume most people in this forum are, then why would we want to hang onto these "old-world" paradigms? I was laid off from that large company in 2003, and knew it was coming, and even felt relieved when it did. I knew that I was looking for something more purposeful, more in tune with what my soul was calling out for. I have 'been' with that for over 3 years now, and felt called to start a company that would assist those ready for such insights, those who wish to go from a soul-driven vision to a material reality. The day-to-day challenge, however, is what does that look like, what would I 'do', and who would want to buy it? But, I too know that if I focus on that as an issue, it will be an issue. So, I continue to move based on what I am inspired to capture and disseminate, and believe there is an 'audience' that would appreciate a business/science driven approach to understanding this awakening, and how to participate in it.

But, I still have similar questions. If I believe I am ascending in 2012, what does that really mean? Will I wake up on that day, and not be in my house, perhaps not have all my family with me, or will I not even remember that I had this existence? Will my house decide to ascend with me? Given these unknowns, I still believe it just makes sense to practice what I feel called to do, and that is recognize the spirit in everything, and treat it with the respect I would wish to receive.

Please, let's keep this dialog going.

[illuminata]

Often throughout the day I am reminded about 2012. Because I do not know what exactly will take place then. I concentrate on Love. Loving my family, Loving my life, letting the small annoyances go with Love. It is really all I can think to do right now. I do not know what else to do. I do not want to get into fear based thinking. Although it does happen. I concentrate on love mainly. I often think about how exactly it will happen, what will it feel like. Will my family be ok, will we be alive per say. I do not know. Having been psychic and a seer my whole life it stumps me. I do know that when I was a small child I was always attracted to Chitzen Itza with dreams, and studying it all the time.. When I finally made it there a few years ago and climbed those steps up the pyramid I had a major life shift. Like I had been there before. I knew it somehow. Will be interesting to say the least to be around in 2012.

[tamarie]

I'm having a hard time trying to link together all the information that I read/watch/hear from various sources that I feel ARE credible, without spending every waking hour in a haze of research frenzy. In a basic list, these information topics seem to encompass four main areas:

1. Earth Changes (repetitive cycles that have historically occured, or those that are now scientifically documented to be ALMOST CERTAIN to occur)

2. Human Changes (that CAN be scientifically agreed to be possible - and HAVE BEEN proven or tested - such as DW's explained example in the Project Camelot interview of light and its effect on DNA; the Salamanda to Frog example; proof of consiousness via human and plant stress reactions, etc)

3. Aliens (first world-wide PUBLIC contact, not just secretive Black Ops community or individual/personalised contacts)

4. 2012 Prophesies (from various cultures, whether ancient or present today)

From my understanding, due to cosmic cyclic events, the 2012 earth changes/catastrophies seem, without any doubt, a coming event that WILL occur. I'm okay with that part. Well, not personally, but historically and scientifically, so I have no unanswered questions relating to that point.

The confusing part is what will happen to me, and mine (in fact all of us), and at WHAT POINT will 'this' happen to us? Am I to understand that the inhabitants on this planet will move to another (4th Density) planet PRIOR to the earth changes occuring? And will we even KNOW when we DO move to the '2nd earth'? Will we wake up one morning with full realisation that we have been moved? Or will we be told about this by the Aliens? Will we have INSTANT 'abilities' (such as telepathy) or will these changes only effect our young children - or just those who will be born in 4D? (I have made many mistakes that I'm not proud of - and I really don't want my close family and friends knowing all my secrets!) Other information suggests that we must die to leave 3rd Density and enter 4th. I'm not worried about death at all (I know I'm eternal) - but will I die and then be reincarnated to 4th density and have to be born all over again? Or will I die for a brief moment and simply 'be' again - as who I am now, 32yrs old - but on a 4D earth to continue my life as it is now, with my family, in this house, in this country, but on a new earth, enlightened?

I don't know if I understand everything I read, but I know this: I would rather die now, UNafraid, happy with the life I have lived up to this point, than go through earth changes and the hardships to follow that would surely exist on a devastated planet. And at the same time, I tingle with utter excitement at the opportunity to be in the 4th density world, yet I fear losing the family and security that I have created so far in this full 32 years of my existence. I've met and exceeded so many obstacles/challenges/goals that have enabled me reach this point of happiness with who I am and where I am today - and I don't want to have lived this life only to have to start it all over again!

Do I sound like a prime 'Service To Self' candidate? You're wrong if you think I do. I am a 'normal' human being with the same feelings that I'm sure SOME of you must have who are on this forum. I consider myself soldily grouped in the 51% 'Service To Others' category, but I'm afraid of change ONLY because of the uncertainty, and cannot seem to normalise the remainder of my 3 - 4 years leading up to 2012.

Do I keep paying extra on our mortgage to have it paid off in 8 years, struggling with finances NOW in order to live affordably when I'm 40? Do I keep saving every coin so my daughters bank accounts will grow and earn interest enough to buy their first car at 16? Or should I stop saving ridiculously and just live comfortably now, enjoying each day as it comes and goes, maybe even take that family holiday we always wanted - afterall, we may only have a few more years left... Day to day choices are getting harder, especially with a partner who does not (care to) understand the coming '2012' times...

If there is anyone out there who can answer some of my many questions and help to calm the itch for answers that I NEED to ground myself again, your words would be warmly welcomed. :o

[litllady]

Hi tamarie!

I dont have great advice. But I still felt the need to reply to say "yes" it is really hard sometimes. When dealing with the hardship of the 'not knowing' we can become depressed and we can feel the separation from the divine source to be much greater in these times of wonderment.

We must always remind ourselves that we are here to experience for the infinite creator. So what ever you experience in your thoughts and feelings is of use. Keeping the foundation of yourself with the energy of light and love is the key. I understand what you feel when your 'mate' doesnt feel the same pulls as you do when referring to 2012. In my experience, it has became a path that Ive traveled solo, but I still enjoy the company of my 'mate'. I dont know if I have a true soul mate on this earth in this life. I feel that the two men I have loved had a purpose for me just as I had a purpose for them. All for experience and learning. I feel that some of the souls on the earth at this time have been waiting a long time to incarnate here for this particular time.

The one thing that has helped me the most is staying active with my earthly life. Keeping the bills payed, remain working and Ive even started taking classes at age 32. This has helped my brain! I know that sounds strange but my brain enjoys the human life, it enjoys learning. This was a hard decision for me because what I really wanted to do was go by a farm and start homeschooling my children and become a hermit who meditates under the stars all night long:rolleyes:

I dont focus on the 4D and 3D negative....its too impossible for my brain to understand. I too totally feel that Im in the 51% service to others...but I have the solid feeling that when this transition happens that I will choose to go where ever souls are still needing guidance. So not sure if Ill get to the 4D in this round. So knowing that Im experiencing my earthly life as I normally would keeps me grounded with the human self. Balancing the human self with the curious soul and spirit self can be a hard balance sometimes. If I did hit the lottery or something, I think I would go buy me a farm and just soak up the divine rays. Last night I ran across a Island called Turtle Island...and the thought popped in my mind, "I wish everyone that was in the DC forum could move with me to Turtle Island"-then my 'other' voice was like "do what?"-I get good chuckles out of my inner voices. But I guess the name of the Island sounded good to me because a part of me for no reason wanted to move there with like minded people. :p

Some can feel safe by not preparing for 'after' 2012. I can not. I still feel the drive to live as I always have lived, but to put forth more light to others from now on as much as possible. We are human and we get comfort from knowing the bills are payed. Its the hardest balance in my life Ive ever had to experience but it gets better the more I firmly plant my feet with the divine light, the Sol of the earth and the stars. The hardest balance was the time it took for me to research everything I wanted to research. I just wanted to withdrawal from life and not even eat or anything. I swear I could just read and read and read. If I didnt have children, I could see me not remaining so grounded with the human activities. So this is really to each their own in the decisions of what can we each do individually to prepare, and then it becomes what can we do unitedly to prepare.

If 2012 comes around and Im still on what I know as earth, I want to start the building of another great pyramid or something:D I really have know idea sometimes why this silly thoughts pop into my mind:)

The experience is so different for each of us. And our preparation for purification can all be different as well. Sorry if I rambled too much, I always do!

Peace to all,
Lynette

[Bill]

Tamarie,

Boy, do those questions sound familiar. I too struggle with those, and with a huge sense of urgency. I have been without a paycheck for over 4 years now, and the sense of being, and going with the flow is challenging my ability to stay centered and peaceful, especially since I currently do not have the cash to pay this month's mortgage payment. I go through cycles of really worrying about this, to greater cycles of being at peace, and knowing that I set this wheel in motion, and I know it will be as intended.

But, yes, my wife understands my faith, and has faith in me, but I know she can't comprehend what the heck I am thinking. Despite that, she continues to show unconditional love. I just wish I had a better understanding of how to help her as well.

If you figure out the 'answers', let us know.

[Magical_Mongoose]

I try to take it one step at a time. I've seen alot of different scenarios playing out, and I'm not too sure which one could happen. All I have now are theories, but I believe in the power of living without fear, because I know there will be a positive shift that will defy all expectations. The dark forces should not be taken lightly, yet when your frequency begins to shift higher, it becomes increasingly harder for them to directly influence you. But they'll try to delay you becoming yourself, to wait you out and cast doubt on what you can do now to change. So focus on raising your frequency, which includes so many different things...and then maintaining a strong energetic presence, beyond the grasp of narcissism but shifting into a level-headed discernment that bypasses petty egoistic disputes (which includes being non-confrontational about theories regarding spirituality, sidestepping attempts to push your buttons, etc).
But as a general framework, 2012 is all about the idea of non-anticipation and being in the moment at all times. Perhaps the idea of some Golden Age off in the future is a counter-intelligence program to withhold the power we have right now, to lure us away from the moment and enforce a degree of spiritual procrastination during a period when our unfoldment is necessary.
David has stressed that one simply can't be an "armchair ascender".
Meditation, prayer, reforming the connection with Mother Earth our culture has largely forsaken are all things we can do at any moment, if we give it time. Then when you start applying that energy, and acting with Love and respect that it starts to unfold, yet most of all, without fear...no matter what will happen around you in your journeys.
"Be a Light unto the world" I think the saying goes.
I've been experimenting with this idea: Imagine that you're already in 4D now. You are filled with love, internal peace and harmony with everything around you. A great burden has melted away from you and the sorrow you once clung to is being stripped away. Now bridge the gap of time and live from that feeling right now, knowing that to be our future . The events that surround you now represent the transition towards it, and despite the rocks we'll certainly encounter along this path, nothing can stop this from being realized. It can only be delayed.

[Andromeda111]

tamarie,

I understand how you feel - it's difficult sometimes to figure out what one should be doing in these times. It's often scary to look into the near future and see what hardships might be coming, but I think the best way to deal with it is to let go of fear and hold on to trust.

From what has been shown, it seems the major Earth changes that may be occuring will not be until after the primary transition into 4D. Nurturing fear and acting out of fear will not lead to good outcomes. Your questions of what one should do with their life at this time, such as to live it out as normal, is one that has definately come to us all.

I think what is most important though, is not necessarily what to physically do with one's life (continue on as usual, or change things to live comfortably and best in the coming years), but rather how to act...to be, in these last few years.

One should ask themselves: What changes can I make in myself? What can I do to be more loving? How can I teach myself to detach from unnecessary physical things? What can I do to finally let go of selfish desires, habits, and thoughts that slow me from making progress? What can I do to learn from my experiences each day? How can I bring myself into harmony with the Divine?

Perhaps by dealing with questions such as these, and by riding out our lives as usual, we can continue to make progress towards being increasingly aligned along the 'service to others' side, and reach 2012 without throwing away the importance of the daily lives we live. There is so much to learn from what gifts of experience are offered to us each day. As much as we may wait in longing for a 4D existence, there is still so much we can do to serve others each and every day.

One may know peace when the desire to serve, to learn, to love, and to grow, becomes greater than the desire to ascend. Our time will come...until then, let us live :)

Peace,
John

[tamarie]

Hi everyone,

Just wanted to write a quick thank you for your responses. I appreciate everyone's sincerity and views.

Litllady, I can relate to your need for research, and still find myself doing this, even to this moment, on these discussion forums - I consider reading these forums as part of my research because it's nice to know there are other people like me out there on the www. Being in Australia, I feel that I'm isolated to a certain extent because everything seems to be happening overseas as there is so much research info or google/you tube videos created by Americans! But these forums seem to close that distance a little, which is great.

Magical Mongoose, your suggestion of imagining that we are already in 4D was a great one. I really 'felt' that message there and will try my best to keep myself in that state of mind.

Today I felt alot more at 'peace' than I have in a while. I went out and bought a few things for the house - spoilt myself a little instead of worring about the finances - because I've decided to live for today and not worry about the future, and not change my course of physical events or halt or alter anything in my life. Now I'll just focus on trying to be a better person to everyone I encounter. Even those pesky telesales people! :eek:

Thanks again all.

[meganarline]

"Be a Light unto the world" I think the saying goes.
I've been experimenting with this idea: Imagine that you're already in 4D now. You are filled with love, internal peace and harmony with everything around you. A great burden has melted away from you and the sorrow you once clung to is being stripped away. Now bridge the gap of time and live from that feeling right now, knowing that to be our future . The events that surround you now represent the transition towards it, and despite the rocks we'll certainly encounter along this path, nothing can stop this from being realized. It can only be delayed.

I agree. What a wonderful idea!! Thank you!!

Megan

[transiten]

Hi!

Great answers to a great question tha't I've been pondering for a long time!

Just want to tell you about my dogwalk this evening. It started out with the 9 year old son of a friend of mine. We were talking, joking and playing with my shorthaired collie, and after half an hour I returned him to his parents. Almost home I could not find my keys:eek: and there was a hole in my pocket:( I immediately felt the "separationfeelings" and fear: -What if someone have found them and manage to find out where I live...or just hand them over to the police, then I will have to sleep at my friends place who has a bad relationship to the father of the son (they live in the same apartment, love their son but have no feelings for eachother anymore, any but negative, and I don't want to be around that) or I'll have to wake up another friend who has my reservkeys....

I start to go back the same way that i came, somewhat irritated with my dog, feeling stressed...suddenly I came to think about David's story about the lost guitar...I also said to myself that i won't find the keys more easily if I'm stressed out, I could just as well imagine that I've already found them...I really tried to think myself out of the stress and concentrate on looking after the keys, but nope, no keys. When I came to the turningpoint I somehow felt calmer..the keys were not there so now I didn't have to search anymore...

I must have shaken myself somehow because suddenly I heard a faint cratter...what was that??? And so i saw my handbag...I usually don't bring it, but this time i had put a ball in it for Pajazzo, and....Ther they were:D my keys...

This place is down by the riverside, and not many are out this time, but there is a woman who has a dog who lives nearby and when walking back I met her and asked about her dog...She is not so happy she said, she's got pain in her hips...I replied that i know a remedy for that and where she can buy it, I just bought it myself yesterday and then she told me she had also problems with her hands...I told her this was curable too with the same herb; it's a concentrate and is called Fotodol. Many inflammatory conditions are effectively healed by these capsuls. We parted and I continued home.

Was this the reason I should go back to look after the "keys" that I had had all the time?

Liliane

[meganarline]

Liliane






Was this the reason I should go back to look after the "keys" that I had had all the time?

Liliane

I'll bet you didn't know you were someone's angel!:)

Love,
Megan

[Kris]

Do I keep paying extra on our mortgage to have it paid off in 8 years, struggling with finances NOW in order to live affordably when I'm 40? Do I keep saving every coin so my daughters bank accounts will grow and earn interest enough to buy their first car at 16? Or should I stop saving ridiculously and just live comfortably now, enjoying each day as it comes and goes, maybe even take that family holiday we always wanted - afterall, we may only have a few more years left...

Hi Tamarie

You know I struggled with this issue myself. At first I thought that it would be wise to keep saving for my retirement (in 20 years) and saving for my daughter's education, just in case.

However, since I was struggling somewhat and since I truly believe we only have a few years left, and since the market seems to be fluxuating more and more each month, I decided to cash in my future, so to speak, and ease my debt load now.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily good advice and if I wasn't struggling somewhat I wouldn't have done it. But I guess it is because I truly believe that we do only have a few years left here and so, yes, I cashed in my assets to pay my debts.

As for the rest of your questions, you are going through what many of us here are going through right now. There is so much information to process that at times it can almost be like an information overload.

Take your time to learn and process it all and for goodness sakes don't do anything rash. But most importantly, don't be fearful. Everything's gonna be alright.

Much love and light to you,
Kris

[mellisamouse]

I think one of the best ways the hope of 2012 helps me adjust, is that when I am being tried or tested, I can just think, "only 5 more years.....now less than 5....." etc, so I can swallow my pride and be more tollerant where needed, and also be more dilligent where needed, when you think about it in a way that our suffering is sooooo close to over, it helps to have more patience with others, and be in a lot better position to "go with the flow" instead of worrying so much about "planning" my life. I can worry about all that later, when it won't be "worrying", but instead, gleeful creating! ;)

[mellisamouse]

and as a footnote.... I see the "end of time" being the end of "TIME", or "time keeping"....one of the prisons of this society.....we can be free from the clock, and create as inspired, instead of pushed and pressured etc. Definatley not the end of the world, just "the end of the world as we know it", like the song says. ;)

[lala]

I LOVE the idea of creating a imaginary 4D in the most perfect way right now!
Collecting data seems to be a good facilitator to do that.
thanks for the thinker of that one! I'll join it

[heidi]

Tamarie,

This is my first post/reply since joining this group. I was only introduced to David's work after stumbling onto it on google video last week. That said, I have been researching 2012 and energy work for about 5 years now. I too find it difficult at times when my husband is convinced that I have lost all touch with reality and have found solice in the internet with other lost souls. And maybe I have. To quote the great Yoda "Learn to let go of what you fear to lose the most". I'm not quite sure of the accuracy of that quote but it's something along those lines. Try to wake everyday with love in your heart and let it explode onto everything and everyone around you. Children, pets, plants, random strangers. You will feel a difference. Meditate, stop take a deep breath, smell the roses, listen to silence. A job is a job. Try not to waste energy worrying about it. That energy would be better used redirected in ARC's (acts of random kindness)...

Love and Light
Heidi

[Sal]

Hi Tamarie,
This is my first post too and I'm so glad I found you all, it's great to know I'm not the only one in a research frenzy:rolleyes:
My husband too thinks I've gone 'Wacko', he actually doesn't think we have 'free will', he thinks it's an illusion along with time, so he doesn't see any point in me preparing for 2012. He's seen me cry, then happy, then peaceful, then angry about what I'm researching...and that was all in one day! (when I first started finding out all this)...and he's getting a little fustrated with me I think.
"It's out of our control anyway" he says
"why can't you just live in the moment?" in which I reply
'I will, I will, just after I've found out a little bit more"
"The truth will set me free" I say to him
Anyway, I can't talk to him about any of this, so I'm writing to you guys instead.

I believe that's why we are all doing all this mad research, it's because deep down, we want to remove the veil....all this stuff scares the crap out of most people. Maybe we need to find out what this illusion is all about so we can rule out our fears. I'd personally like to participate and enjoy the experience, instead of freaking out. I think it's so exciting! The chance to live in a world of love, peace, no lies, health, long life, creative freedom, time travel in a light body...It all sounds fantastic to me!
I don't want to do 3D again :(
Anyway
Love and peace to all.

[David Wilcock]

Dear Sal,

I would encourage you to pursue your interests without going into a whole lot of detail with your husband if he isn't specifically asking to hear more. That's honoring his free will: "we do not offer service where none is requested."

The benefit of esoteric study is that it ultimately transforms all aspects of your life. When little things go wrong and you used to have a patterned response, and now you see things from a more unified perspective, he will take notice!

- David

[tamarie]

Sal,

I, too (not long ago in fact) was in Sal's shoes exactly. Since I've remained pretty quiet about it all, and with my change in 'attitude' I guess you could say, to this whole 2012 thing (thanks in a huge way to King David over here) he now sees my research and 'blog time' as a good thing and a positive change in me, and if I do happen to mention brief (and I mean really brief) points to him, he actually listens - without the smirk and without the eye rolling. Sometimes I swear I can even hear his brain digesting it. THIS is a big change from his past reactions! I'm sure one day we may even be able to have a 5 minute discussion!

Keep hanging in there.... He'll come around.

[Sal]

Thanks David and Tamarie for your advice,

I know just what you mean about me respecting my husbands free will and I do....I am very careful not to push my ideas on to him. I sneak little bits in here and there when he shows intrest, but know instinctively when to stop and change the subject.

The funny thing is that he was the one that actually moved me further into this whole direction in the first place. He has had more profound spiritual experiences than I have, one was a near death experience in which he viewed his body from the outside and saw his body as a 'home' in which he once occupied but felt no real attachment to it.
He also had a vision of being a blue ball of energy in a grey room and not wanting to come here to earth, he actually feels guilty because he remembers 'god' (or whoever) nudging him to come here and him saying
'No, I don't want to go' but eventually giving in. From what I know about his life that he has told me, I'm not suprised he didn't want to come here :o

I was in Sydney, Australia and he was here in Missouri when we met through an Art site where we both keep our paintings online. We had a mind boggling run of synchronicities over a one year period through emails and phone calls and there were uncanny parallels in our lives that we are still amazed about today. I know that I'm meant to be here in America with him for lessons we both can learn, and probably other reasons I don't even know about yet, so here I am. I've had lots of relationships in my life and am grateful for every one of them for what they have taught me about myself. This one is the most difficult though, since we are so silmilar. What fun...haha! you have to laugh.

The question is, when have I learnt all I can learn from this otherself?
Personally, I wait for signs, I always follow my intuition and my heart...always. Experiencing repeated behavour patterns in my partner is a clear indication for me to move on usually, no point in running on the spot.
I'll just wait for spirit to guide me a little more I think and see what happens...patience is something I'm still learning.

I have a feeling deep down that this spiritual journey will ultimately be one where I am travelling on my own in the end, but that's ok....I like my own company and have been on my own often. I do feel intuitively however that I shoud be where others are on the same wave length about 2012, which is odd because I'm usually a bit of a hermit really. I was quite happy to come here away from any city and escape the world, but now, I'm not so sure.

Thanks David for your words...I just loved listening to the radio shows you've done, your positiveness and underlying excitement about all this puts it all into perspective for me somehow. The science parts are good too...a great combination of spirituality and science.
Balance is what it's all about really isn't it?
If anyone wants to see my paintings (which are all about informal balance and order out of chaos) they are at Boundlessgallery.com
just look under 'artists' for 'Sally Strange'....and yes, that is my real name :rolleyes:

Love and peace be with my otherselves.
Sal

[carol]

HI tamrie.
Yes good questions. Very similar to mine. I also wonder, what will happen to the selfish people. What I can make of Davids opinion is that the selfish greedy people will experience the earth changes and the mentally and spiritually prepared people will be catapulted into the fourth dimension and basically experience no catastrophies. I must admit that does sound a little far fetched, but possible according to quantum theory. If I am one of these people (prepared) does that mean that I dont need to worry about setting my family and myself up somewhere in the mountains with an underground shelter and food and water supplies to last 2-7 years? But then what about my children and partner and friends?. If they are not 'prepared' would they disappear, according to me and be stuck in 3D. While I'm bathing in 4D?
So many questions?
Carol.
PS. Lets know if you find any answers.

[Born23EB]

Good morning all. We are all passing through this time in our own way. I too have found that a flood of change and infornation available can create clarity as well as confusion. I have found a simple way to disengage from the egoic state of consciousness is to remember oneself as the timeless Presence beyond the mind made sense of self. The mind is not built for speed and I found its better to trust the process rather the grasp for security in a rapidly changing time process. All is proceeding according through Divine intelligence. Rest in Love instead of fear generated by egoic mind.

[gaby]

Hi,
first of all sorry for my bad English.
I just wanted to say that I am in the same situation with my husband. He is a good person but very very skeptical. Still he never stop me in my research and i understood that I must also respect his free will (even if at the beginning it was very hard). I think there is a reason for a spiritual person being near to a skeptical one and I think that in time (in most of the cases) we have a good influence over them, even if we cannot see this influence immediately and we have some lessons to learn from them as well.
About preparing us from 2012 I can definitely say that all I needed was an open mind and the fact that I really waned to change and all the information came to me in a natural way. If only I take the fact that during 15 years I've learned 4 languages i can see now that this happened for a reason as well: I am able to read, listen and understand materials and information from all the word (even if I cannot express myself correctly I am able to understand) and believe me I had to live a really hard experience in order to learn a bit of English but now I understand how many doors this fact opened for me. So I keep living my life with the consequent desire to change and learn and if you pay attention every day is a new wonderful lesson.
My humble advice: Just keep your eyes open and your soul as pure as you can :)

[Art]

Hey all,

Since this has been mentioned once or twice on the DC forum in various places, I sensed it was OK to start a thread and discuss more about it. (Yeah I've been keeping up with things, just haven't posted in a long time.)

The compelling "evidence" for me has been the correlation between Timewave Zero and whatever the HPH group is doing, along with current events.

My question is:

Being aware of such an event, there are obviously different approaches to take. One on hand, we could prepare for the worst case scenario with an aim to hold us through until things stabilize. While this may seem a prudent approach, wouldn't this "enable" whatever event to occur? Similar to a self-fulfilling prophecy?

Another approach would be to focus all our energies into this event, ensuring that all are protected and the outcome is a positive one. Prepare, but prepare to love. Surely this would seem to be the better approach. However, think of all the energy that has been expended already into "non-events" (Fire-the-Grid), etc. A side note here - while the effects of such efforts may not be directly noticeable, I do believe that these "non-events" did have an impact in the overall "game". Will this be another, possibly causing doubt? I remember how hyped up I've gotten for this or that, only to feel silly afterwards.

A last approach would be to simply do nothing. This is likely the hardest of the three. We feel a sense of duty to protect and love. We also have that 3D survival instinct which urges us to prepare. On the other hand, its not our place to interfere. Growth isn't always easy and while challenging events are sure to cause some suffering, on a large scale the effects of an event serve to cause growth (or at least making the choice).

So, what will you do?

Essentially I'm confused (as you can probably tell from the disjointed style of this post!). I have a special place in my heart for McKenna and TWZ - it was one of the subjects I studied at the beginning of my awakening - one of the many pieces to the puzzle. I'll have to refresh my studies on novelty theory, but from what I've read, I'm pretty compelled.

Looking forward to your replies. I think today after classes I will focus on clearing out and recentering, then a round of golf.

Tired, but hanging in there,

Art

[motman]

Yes, everything really does seem to be confusing. It appears that something will happen within the next month, and the main stream news is starting to pick up on that. I hope for the best and focus some positive intention on the whole thing. The best thing to do is be prepared and just keep centered/ focused. I feel like meditation will be an important thing to do to help with that!

[KassandraLoves]

Another approach would be to focus all our energies into this event, ensuring that all are protected and the outcome is a positive one. Prepare, but prepare to love. Surely this would seem to be the better approach.

I feel that this is PRECISELY IT.

I dont agree that "all energies have been expended" due to the fact that its boundless at all times.

I do agree however, that this is what we (when I say we, i mean the wanderers or whoever else is here to help) are here for! Personally, Ive gotten then message to prepare to heal and to travel (multiple dreams in the same night all pointing at the same thing are happening to me on a regular basis now). I dont think Im going to go right away, Im sensing that I will be helping others during some sort of chaos that will ensue. This is why i believe the harvest will be quick, but gradual enough for people like us to really shine our lights with extra brilliance.

I am preparing to heal and to love and to serve my other-selves. Ive gotten this message for the past month now repetitively.

...and thats my two cents ;)

[StarGirl]

Hello there, Art!

Well.. I definately had to shout out to this post.

First, hello to a fellow N. Carolinian!

Next thanks for this post... I did not know much about mckenna... In order to try and understand your post (like i did not figure out what the HPH group was) , I googled and i watched a you tube and wow... McKenna, i felt like a found another member of the home planet. You know what i mean?

I so followed right where he was coming from. OMG... the things that he said about Belief systems were like water to this little thirsty plant.

He said: "Beliefs should be put aside... for direct experience." basically sums it up.

Anyway this gets off topic... just wanted to acknowledge and say hi.

peace and love

Darlyne

[Metamike]

Did anyone notice that they saw people disappearing into another dimension without leaving trace? THIS IS GREAT NEWS. That means that 4D is opening up already in less than a years time.

[transiten]

Who are "THEY" and who disappeard?

Liliane

[FIIISH]

However, think of all the energy that has been expended already into "non-events" (Fire-the-Grid), etc. A side note here - while the effects of such efforts may not be directly noticeable, I do believe that these "non-events" did have an impact in the overall "game".

I generally agree with this statement. I participated in the the Fire The Grid exercise. Not only did I participate, but I actively campaigned for over 6 months prior to the meditation, attempting to make as many people aware as possible. I experienced many synchronicities relating to this and was blessed in many ways which helped me to keep going till this particular goal was reached.

I admit I was hoping for a result that was more immediate, centered, and undeniable to all. However, we don't always immediately get to see the results of our actions, and I think this is one example. But, I believe we are living in a world that was changed by the efforts of those who participated on 7/17/07, among numerous other efforts and events.

There are many, many pieces to the puzzle and everyone has some. A little here, a little there. Some have comparatively large pieces. If we drop our particular piece, there is someone waiting to pick it up. We are currently living an amazing opportunity to help a planet and it's population transform into something different, and hopefully, better.

[mwr1026]

Who are "THEY" and who disappeard?

Liliane

And what is the HPH group? I feel like I walked into the end of a conversation at the start of this thread. I know Terence McKenna and timewave zero, but it would be nice if someone could fill in the gaps in this conversation.

[soliti]

Hello there, Art!

Well.. I definately had to shout out to this post.

First, hello to a fellow N. Carolinian!

Next thanks for this post... I did not know much about mckenna... In order to try and understand your post (like i did not figure out what the HPH group was) , I googled and i watched a you tube and wow... McKenna, i felt like a found another member of the home planet. You know what i mean?

I so followed right where he was coming from. OMG... the things that he said about Belief systems were like water to this little thirsty plant.

He said: "Beliefs should be put aside... for direct experience." basically sums it up.

Anyway this gets off topic... just wanted to acknowledge and say hi.

peace and love

Darlyne

Hello Stargirl,

can you pm link please, As I dont have clue on what is being said on post, all I get is links about dmt.Thanks

peace to all

[grkyorgo]

And what is the HPH group? I feel like I walked into the end of a conversation at the start of this thread. I know Terence McKenna and timewave zero, but it would be nice if someone could fill in the gaps in this conversation.

HPH =- i think thats Half Past Human -=- Aka Webbots

[mwr1026]

OK, I've been poking around trying to figure out what's going on with "Half Past Human" and here's what it looks like to me. HPH is a project that scans the blogosphere watching linguistic patterns and then makes predictions based on a complex proprietary linguistic analysis. They have some pretty accurate hits, and have gotten some attention as a result.

Currently, they are predicting that a period of intense turmoil will begin around October 7, and running through March. As I understand it, they say this will be 40% economic turmoil, 40% political upheaval, and 20% natural calamity. They say this will include such features as currency collapse, martial law, and global coastal disasters, including a massive quake in the northwest. One of my problems with HPH is that they charge almost $300 for their reports. They are supposedly sitting on predictions of something bordering on the end of the world as we know it in a matter of days or weeks from now, and they are withholding the story that could make a big difference in preparing us all to survive, just to make a buck that will be worthless if their prediction is true. Hmmmmm. This smells funny to me. If they believe in a prediction of this catastrophic magnitude, they should be shouting it from the rooftops rather than selling it at a premium price. Of course, I haven't given them the money. My info about this prediction is based on summaries and details that are spilling over around the edges of coverage of HPH by internet blogs, discussion groups, and internet talk shows.

I must admit that I was getting bogged down in researching this, and was very happy to see some light from DW this morning when I logged in. His perspective is truly refreshing, and today's blog post is totally relevant to this thread.

[Art]

For what its worth, I quoted an excerpt from the website I originally found the information... I read through it quickly at first, then really slowly. Some interesting things - worth sharing at least.

Half Past Human
By Troy Jones
Created 09/17/2008 - 17:14
http://www.realitysandwich.com/half_past_human

"Well, probably a very good time to go lash down everything moveable, and really examine your surroundings for what could shake loose..."

So started the rare between-reports email from Cliff, head "time monk" at Half Past Human, indicating the increased likelihood of a major earthquake that Saturday night. Being new to the world of "predictive linguistics," I made a mental note to keep an eye on the news that weekend, but didn't think much more of it.

Until I got in the car Monday morning and heard the reports about an 8.0 earthquake that had hit the Sichuan province in China overnight.

They may have missed the mark on a few details, but they sure got the big one right. And a few little ones, too, including predictions of media coverage around a "wedding interrupted." This made more sense when AP images started to show up on outlets like CNN and the BBC showing a bride and groom surrounded by rubble after the quake hit in the middle of their ceremony.

From there forward, I started paying more attention.

Early Beginnings

The solo project began back in 1997, as an attempt to make a little money by predicting stock price movements via speed-reading the Internet looking for certain terms. While collecting pieces of information that referenced Sun Microsystems in an effort to find patterns of people buying or selling, Cliff also detected patterns that made no sense. Beyond the financial analysis, Cliff also noticed a lot of language from gardening forums, ocean navigating forums, mountain climbers, etc. talking about the sun in the sky seeming "whiter." Being an avid bicycler, he'd also made this observation himself. "I realized that if these people were emotionally concerned about this, and it was rising to levels so much more ‘hot' than the language around money, then there might be something here."


This seems to answer the question about subscriber reports, which given what is said, does make sense. However, of all ways to describe it - snake eating its own tail?!? Now where have I heard that before! ;)

To be honest, I don't know how to feel about this or TWZ. In a way, they seem to be approaches that "infringe upon free-will", creating self-fulfilling prophecies. Nonetheless I find them interesting... Thank goodness for DW helping us balance everything out and keeping us grounded in Light/Love. :D

Art

[Art]

It is with great hesitation that I write this, but here goes...

Each and every day brings unique opportunities, no doubt about that. Along the lines of this thread, I do believe in the potential "events" that could happen starting this weekend and lasting for some time.

With that said, I want to reiterate - POTENTIAL. Nothing is definite, and we can all agree that focused intent can sway any situation one way or another.

I do not pretend to know any details or specifics, merely an awareness of potential. Sometimes awareness can be a b***h, huh? ;)

Anyway, after further discussions and more reflection on the infinite possibilities any situation or day can bring, I've decided to share with you some insight. Nothing new, only ideas said time and time again...

First and foremost, LEAD BY EXAMPLE and lead with your heart. With so much emphasis on changing or saving the world, it can be a little overwhelming to contemplate. However, change the world a little at a time, "save" the world with simple acts of kindness/compassion, towards one person at a time.

Second, while preparation for any situation may sound selfish, there is some prudence in doing so. From what I have been able to gather, a good preparation "kit" should include 2-4 weeks of food/water, maybe keep your gas tank always at least half full, and possibly enough cash on hand for the time period. This is something anyone should already do, in the event of a natural disaster, etc... "Stashing" goods has never set well with me in that for one, you cannot possibly have enough to get you through indefinitely, and two, it seems to be a selfish act. Taking it one step further, in the event something does happen, how are we to be "Beacons of Light" if we stay holed up in our homes, "unaffected" because we have made preparations, etc. To assist with this, envision a run at the grocery store. Surely if you have enough, you won't need to go. However, if you were able, just by being present, to bring some calm in a chaotic situation, how much benefit that can bring? :rolleyes:

Please don't see this is as alarmist as this is not the intent. Being prepared will allow any of us to better respond to the needs of our friends, family, community. Additionally, if you think this is a selfish move, then have more on hand so that you can share freely with others. A kind act of giving in difficult times makes a huge difference...

And lastly, whatever may or may not happen on a given day, be thankful for those you love and the gifts you have in life. Some of our greatest blessings are cleverly disguised, so be careful not to "curse" the bad things in life... ;)

Sent with good intentions. Enjoying the discussion and imagining the possibilities, while trying to stay grounded and centered, enjoying each day as if its my last. :D

Art

[transiten]

Hello Art

As for me I'm going to Stockholm on the 9:th of october and will stay for some weeks due to my stepmothers passing away. I'm going to reunite with the rest of my family that I now will have much better contact with I hope, as described in other threads. So the ending of your post is really happening to me right now....

Through this I feel remaining parts of my "hard core" are dissolving and it becomes easier every day for me to say Yes to what I want and No to what I don't want, free to stay or go, in love.

I don't know if you're referring to the whole world in this thread, but in "my personal timeline";) a total catastrophe doesn't exist right now and I'm watching mercuryretrograde working out it's confusion=reflecting ours.

Hope it's not denial but a reliable gutfeeling...

:)ny greetings from Liliane in Gothenburg

[Art]

Liliane,

POTENTIAL for this "event" does not necessarily mean catastrophe, just change - mainly unexpected, unanticipated. Change doesn't necessarily have to be a bad thing, in fact, I would go as far as to say that these next few weeks are prime for OPPORTUNITY.

My reasons for writing about food and money are due to the situation in the US (I live in the Southeast). I don't think there will be any food shortages per se, but, I do think that there could be problems with banks and getting to your money.

Essentially I live off my debit card. Were that card not to work, I wouldn't be able to get gas, buy groceries, etc. And, if there was an issue at my bank, I may not be able to withdraw...

I'm hoping nothing will happen. Even though I wrote about getting 2-4 weeks of food, I still haven't done that, and probably won't. It still seems over-the-top. All I've done is chosen to have my monthly cash on hand instead of depending upon my debit card (at this point). I will keep my eyes and ears open though...

Taking things one step further - I don't think any of us are in any danger, as long as we can keep grounded, see through the FOG and see the beauty that is out there each and everyday. With that perspective, we'll be able to keep those around us grounded. ;)

Thanks for the reply.

Art

[Alloura]

Art - well said!
Thank you for your post, you mention several things that seem to me to encompass thoughts that DW has presented to us.

Each & every day we are presented with opportunites to serve - no matter how seemlying small or insignificant. I used to think that I needed to become involved in something like the Peace Corps to accomplish this, but such a move at this time in my life is not possible. I came to realize that any time we can be kind, caring or just listen, we are forwarding the cause of STOs. In times of upheaval, leading by example is the perfect way to set the tone for those around us, and create feelings of calm.

As to being prepared for an emergency, for those of us living in areas prone to earthquakes and fires, being prepared with food, fuel, clothing and other basic necessities goes with the choice of living here. My husband & family decided long ago that whatever we had, we would share with our neighbors if they somehow weren't prepared.
(bit of a side note: we were living in the San Bernadino mountains in 2003 when the fires broke out. In the beginning of the week, before the fire hit in our area, I had a major prompting to fill all of the cars gas tanks. Glad we did, as the day of the evacuation, the lines for gas on the mountain were miles long, and fights broke out!!)

I seem to remember DW saying in one of his more recent posts, (possibly the second in the most current series), that it would be a good idea to have some water & food on hand. Based strictly on what has happened in the areas devastated by hurricanes, that would appear to be sound advice. Help is not always immediately available - sometimes not at ALL!


Indeed, being thankful is to me the most important thing I can start my day off focusing on. There is much to be grateful for; family, friends, the blessing of just being HERE NOW and to be a part of this amazing time on Earth - and recognizing that "something is definately going on"...

Love & Light

Alloura

[meganarline]

I was just listening to the HPH guys and this thought came to me. This whole idea of seperate segregated communities and rushing off to Ecuador has never sat well with me.

But what does it that perhaps what we are supposed to do is create actual communities where we are living right now. How many of us really know our neighbours, have actually taken the time to get to know them.

And I'll bet that if some kind of crisis happens if you are open and out there instead of hunkered down and hidden you will probably find that all you need will be made available.

Megan

[inside-up]

It is not selfish to insure your/your loved ones' survival or to be preparded for the possibility of catastrophic events. Would the planet be better served by your demise for your feeling guilty about helping yourself, or better served if you survived to help otherselves through the turmoil?

I don't own the future so I can't say with assurance that dire circumstances are upon us. However I have been looking at some blogs that are focused on the world economy, and there are many very bright individuals who believe there is nothing that can be done at this point to prevent the house of cards from crashing down around us.

Many ppl are realizing that they have been lied to and swindled. Many ppl were very upset with this new bailout legislation and congress had to shut down their email servers because they got overloaded with complaints urging them not to pass it.

Anyway, banks have almost no money and they need to borrow just to stay in business. Since many of the ones left are on the verge of bankruptcy they are afraid to loan to each other and to other businesses. It gets more complicated with CDS's and all the other junk paper out there and ratings losses, etc.

So, I have never taken steps toward preparing for an emergency before, but I have been feeling compelled to do so now. Tomorrow I'm going to the store to buy a couple of weeks worth of nonperishable food and water.

I already got some cash from the bank, and I have to say the tellers were acting very strange. It took 2 of them about 15 min. to get the computer to accept my $2K withdrawal and I had to enter my pin twice. They looked very confused. It seems like the system is in the early stages of breaking. I also read an article that claimed that certain branch managers were informed to be prepared for a potential one week banking shutdown.

If you want to see what can happen from an economic collapse you can search Argentina's in 2001. Be warned: it isn't pretty, and they still haven't recovered from it. There are also a lot of parallels to our economy and politics (with differences, of course).

This time it is global in scope. Which might be an advantage, in that, it has the potential to work it self out on a global scale with much of the world's population having a stake in finding a resolution. Thus, the world's populace could rise up to oust the ill-(h)umans from power.

Ppl are waking up to some ugly truths about the leaders they have put their trust and faith in. I know many of us have realized much of the corruption and power plays that go on and have come to expect it, but this is a shock to many others who seem to be waking up all at once, and it is likely to be expressed on a highly charged emotional level.

If ever there was an urgency to take steps to preserve your survival and the survival of much of the world's population, this would be it. If nothing happens and things chug along without incident you can always put your cash back in the bank and you won't have to do as much food shopping in the weeks ahead. No harm, no foul. :)

PS: I am not advocating panicking or heading for the hills or some cave, etc. Just a little due diligence in light of the economic stresses that we are undergoing. Going to an isolated area might be the worst thing you can do in a failing economy because it might become difficult for supplies to make it to your location. If supplies and fuel become scarce they would most likely only make it to areas that are well populated.

[metaman]

Here is a brain ******. How many different timelines are the web bots pulling informaiton from?

[7Sisters]

Did anyone notice that they saw people disappearing into another dimension without leaving trace? THIS IS GREAT NEWS. That means that 4D is opening up already in less than a years time.

I'm just getting better, I had been running a high fever all week from strep throat and early Saturday morning I had a dream that as I was standing in one spot the scenery just morphed into different scenery! It was amazing, it almost felt the same, but it was different. I knew I could go back and forth if I wanted to so I experimented with it.

Nothing faded, nothing darkened, it was like if you were cleaning an oil painting and found another picture under it, and decided to clean the rest of the top picture off. Not scary at all. No worries.

However, having run a high temp all week, I decided that it was time to go to the doctor that morning!

Peace!

[transiten]

I was just listening to the HPH guys and this thought came to me. This whole idea of seperate segregated communities and rushing off to Ecuador has never sat well with me.

But what does it that perhaps what we are supposed to do is create actual communities where we are living right now. How many of us really know our neighbours, have actually taken the time to get to know them.

And I'll bet that if some kind of crisis happens if you are open and out there instead of hunkered down and hidden you will probably find that all you need will be made available.

Megan

Hi meganarline, well said!

Somehow this is happening in the block where I live spontaneosly. also my original family is coming together....I think when times get tough, pple search eachothers company, and I think that's one of the meanings with what's happening now, at least for us in the "rich world" where everbody have their own copy of everything....

We will have to share, both material things and love..The first cathegory become less and less, suits Mother Earth just fine and the other jsut increases the more you share it, suits everybody in the Galaxy, planets, pple, animals, vegetation...

Liliane transiten

[Magical_Mongoose]

I just excercise extreme patience and clarity of communication when dealing with all the problems of the day. It helps when you really can connect with those you encounter and just do your best to resolve problems as honestly as possible...and occasionally exerting some force when things are clearly not going the way they should. Remember, the name of the game is love and discernment combined ;)

[EdwardJS]

PS: I am not advocating panicking or heading for the hills or some cave, etc. Just a little due diligence in light of the economic stresses that we are undergoing. Going to an isolated area might be the worst thing you can do in a failing economy because it might become difficult for supplies to make it to your location. If supplies and fuel become scarce they would most likely only make it to areas that are well populated.

I offer my personal experience in light and love, in order that we may all confidently rely on faith and abate fear.

Faith and fear are inversely related. This has manifested so clearly many times.

I went through my personal "dark night of the soul" around 11/9/7. I did not recognize the ultimate good then. That day eventually led me here to David's web site and boy oh boy am I grateful.

It brought me to a point where I had to reflect why, at age 55 then, things were happening. A job with shrinking hours brought me questions of how I was to not only pay my rent, but to eat.

Magically, as it were, I did not panic. There seemed a serenity and soon after discovering "faith" - belief in better things, it indeed did happen.

If I had reacted with fear, the situation would have been dire.
But I did not give my free will consent to be afraid.

So now today, what goes on in the world doesn't panic me. My faith has been strengthened by belief in faith. I am personally unconcerned. Faith is no longer a question of if - it IS.

Always remember that your thoughts do have far more power than one gives credit for. David has said this before, and he is right on the money.

It is THAT simple.

Ed

[astraya]

So now today, what goes on in the world doesn't panic me. My faith has been strengthened by belief in faith. I am personally unconcerned. Faith is no longer a question of if - it IS.



Hi Ed, I'm having a similar experience that started in the late afternoon yesterday. But it is one thing to know that your thoughts affect your reality but it's sometimes hard to reconcile conflicting feelings in your gut. Over the last couple of weeks, I've tried to center myself but I've had a nagging feeling that something isn't right. I've felt anxious and a little panicked.

Now I suddenly feel calm and even blissful. Everything seems to be as it should be and everyone is as they should be.

I had a vision on waking up a few days ago of the elliptic of our solar system locking in to the galactic plane and creating a magnetic resonance. I keep seeing the number 88 over and over again and that's what it seems to indicate. I feel like I'm part of a euphoric circuit. Maybe it's just the Moon in Aquarius right now, but I hope this lasts. AND it has nothing to do with any mind-altering substance :rolleyes:.

I had another dream last night of a mirror that at first seemed to be playfully showing fun images but then suddenly turned very dark. I was with friends and their children. When the situation suddenly got scary I felt love and noticed that the mirror lost its power. With some trepidation, eventually I went right up to the mirror and put my hand on it while feeling love and it was completely deactivated. Hmmmm........I think I'm on to something :D

Best,
Stacy