Soul Groups and Life Beyond Death

[SpiralCycle]

Has anyone read The Journey Of Souls and Destiny Of Souls By: Michael Newton PH.D.? I saw an artical dave posted about soul groups and other things that tied in with these books. It has a pretty sound explanation of what to expect after death by taking people into superconscious states and asking them questions.

He came across this by accident while bringing patients through past life regressions in which he was unsure about. Another good thing to note is that his prior views were atheist and really didn't believe in anything. When he came to bring people to superconsciousness states and they started to explain the life in between lives he was especially startled. After a while of having this occur more often he started to let down his guard and explore.

I think he has done this with maybe a couple hundred people and all of thier accounts on life after death was exactly the same. They talked about a spiritual wolrd where you have spiritual guides who teach you to elevate and guide you in your journey through eternity. You also have a group of souls you normally interact with also and end up having them usually share numerous carnations and experience on the planet or plane that you are accustom to.

You also go to a higher counsel that specialize in helping map out what body would fit you best in the next life or if you CHOOSE to reincarnate for a karmic lesson to help cut away some previous cords to mishappenings.

There is a whole lot more but it was really satisfing and didn't seem to have bias or fake work. I think many people should pick up this book for better insights and a clearer life understanding.

[GTTOWNSEND]

I have not read that book , but it does sound like a lot of David's (and a lot of other sources') writings. I would say that resonates well with me , and I will try to get a copy and read it. Has anyone viewed David's Science of Peace yet?

[wjbombo@mac.com]

Yes, I have them both. They are very interersting indeed and I recommend them as well. I wouldn't necessarily agree that everyone's account was "exactly the same" but interestingly enough, people would describe similar processes even though their experiences were described differently. Kind of like looking at an object from different perspectives but it's still clear that everyone is describing the same object.

Anyway, I recommend them as well.

Peace,
Will

[Linda]

Yes, I have read them both and recommend them highly!
Here is the closing quote from Destiny of Souls:
"Coming to Earth is about traveling away from our home to a foreign land. Some things seem familiar but most are strange until we get used to them, especially conditions which are unforgiving. Our real home is a place of absolute peace, total acceptance and complete love. As souls separated from our home we can no longer assume these beautiful features will be present around us. On Earth we must learn to cope with intolerance, anger and sadness while searching for love and joy. We must not lose our intergrity along the way, sacrificing goodness for survival and acquiring attitudes either superior or inferior to those around us. We know that living in an imperfect world will help us appreciate the true meaning of perfection. We ask for courage and humilitybefore our journey into another life. As we grow in awareness so will the quality of our existence. This is how we are tested. Passing this test is our destiny."

Be well,
Linda

[SpiralCycle]

Yes, I have them both. They are very interersting indeed and I recommend them as well. I wouldn't necessarily agree that everyone's account was "exactly the same" but interestingly enough, people would describe similar processes even though their experiences were described differently. Kind of like looking at an object from different perspectives but it's still clear that everyone is describing the same object.

Anyway, I recommend them as well.

Peace,
Will

Sorry I didn't mean to say exactly the same heh but yeah you explained it well. Thanks.

[SpiralCycle]

Also does anyone know how this ties in with the Ra Material? I see some connections but I havn't sifted through how going through other dimensions of higher octaves ties in with this. I know that we elevate our soul vibration as shown by spiritual guides and other high counsels who seem darker in color usually indigo or dark indigo eventually. They talk about levels in the book and colors and it seems like it would have to tie in with dimensions some how. Maybe the connection is the higher you elevate you have more capabilities of existance through other realms other than the spirit realm? Hmmm hopefully this doesn't sound like a bunch of mumbo jumbo :confused: haha.

[pyramidnj]

Spiral, I have read and have both of those Newton books and they seem to present authentic research information. He has worked with well over a thousand persons....Excellent research! Jo Anne

Has anyone read The Journey Of Souls and Destiny Of Souls By: Michael Newton PH.D.? I saw an artical dave posted about soul groups and other things that tied in with these books. It has a pretty sound explanation of what to expect after death by taking people into superconscious states and asking them questions.

He came across this by accident while bringing patients through past life regressions in which he was unsure about. Another good thing to note is that his prior views were atheist and really didn't believe in anything. When he came to bring people to superconsciousness states and they started to explain the life in between lives he was especially startled. After a while of having this occur more often he started to let down his guard and explore.

I think he has done this with maybe a couple hundred people and all of thier accounts on life after death was exactly the same. They talked about a spiritual wolrd where you have spiritual guides who teach you to elevate and guide you in your journey through eternity. You also have a group of souls you normally interact with also and end up having them usually share numerous carnations and experience on the planet or plane that you are accustom to.

You also go to a higher counsel that specialize in helping map out what body would fit you best in the next life or if you CHOOSE to reincarnate for a karmic lesson to help cut away some previous cords to mishappenings.

There is a whole lot more but it was really satisfing and didn't seem to have bias or fake work. I think many people should pick up this book for better insights and a clearer life understanding.

[Believe]

Yes, I've read both of these books and loved them.

[SpiralCycle]

Believe, you mentioned you have read both of these works and was wondering if you could tie in some of the contradictions.

It says in the journey of souls that as you advance you don't really go through dimentional change while you incarnate but your soul just advances. The dimensional change and soul advancement might be the same thing but there is something missing.

Also the journey of souls book it says there really aren't too many negative entities if at all and in the ra material it says there are a bunch at orion I think it was.

I cannot remember exactly but think somwhere in the ra material it mentioned you advance through living as crystals and minerals then to animals then to humans and in the journey of souls it says animals have thier own collective spirits that are not the same as human spirit and that we human spirits create things such as planets and solar systems using what would be the equivelant to aether with others the more advance we get in vibration and also stop the need for anymore incarnation the more after a certain point as well.

Those are the major holes that need to be filled in and would help my advancement a lot. If you think you have can help out please fill me in. Thanks.

[SpiralCycle]

Was wondering if anyone had read these to sets of material since the site has grown larger and still up for discussion.

[SuperManny]

Yes, I've read all 3 of his books. In my opinion, the first one, Journey.. is good; the 2nd one, Destiny.. is better, and the last one is good if you're a therapist, but not very helpful for lay people because it doesn't have case experiences, like the others.

I loved the books and thought they were very informative, and I didn't think it was at odds with any other belief system, including the LoO. It says in the journey of souls that as you advance you don't really go through dimentional change while you incarnate but your soul just advances.I didn't see any conflict here, because I think these books deal strictly with 3rd density experience. I think it's all semantics (or as an old codger I knew used to say, "It's all just ceramics")

...journey of souls book it says there really aren't too many negative entities if at all and in the ra material it says there are a bunch at orion I think it was. Again I don't see a conflict here, because I don't think these people he regressed had any experience with the Orion Negatives. In the Ra material, this was kinda 'front and center' because one of these Orion guys was actively trying to kill them!

[Metamike]

I have had the privilege/pleasure of working with hypnosis for 18 years and doing a lot of past life regressions. Many times, I have come across the fact that there is a spiritual family which is much larger than our physical families. At some point we must consider ourselves as fragments of a larger entity. This is also greatly discussed in a series of channeled material that Ra recognizes - "Michael".

This family is approx. 1000 souls in size. Eventually it will integrate into a single entity. I am sure at some point this single entity will have the experience of belonging to another "meta family" which will integrate. Like RA who talks about being an integrated planetary body of consciousness.

A spiritual law is constantly working towards integration.
Metamike:)

[One 66]

I've also read all the books and agree with Supermanny. Very informative and as for the first book, I like it more than the 2nd one. Why, perhaps because it was the very first book I read after waking up from the 'illusion' we call reality. That book helped ground me a little... when I had no one to talk to. So, it holds a special memory for me.

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[stephaniekraft]

I have read all three books, too and loved them. Glad you brought up this topic. I hope more people read those books to gain a greater understanding of who they are.

[Nina]

Hi Everyone,
Totally missed this thread. Grown in awareness of occult politics and much has been brought to my attention about the dangers of anything but clear, conscious spiritual development. Had some startling jolts along the way and am working to build a new orientation based on Steiner's insights. I did like Newton's book about his travels.
It is possible to speculate about the claims that there are not many negatives. Heard enough in my jolts and certainly do not believe that. Came across a very worthwhile thread on a closed list that is still available to the public. It has added much to my own search - please PM.

You may want to search here for some past posts on wk of Walter Semkiw - he mentioned Michael Newton. This is a link to a bk I mentioned in earlier post that helped me begin to see more operative forces.
Semkiw mentioned Newton directly after a comment that Steiner too had reincarnated. I wrote Semkiw w/inquiry but did not secure a reply. Semkiw did not explicitly state MN was RS returned. NINA

http://www.doyletics.com/arj/secretbr.htm
Matherne shared:
"What is our task as human beings during this fifth post-Atlantean period? "We must come to grips with evil," Steiner tells us. Instead praying to be "delivered from evil" as the Lord's Prayer exhorts, we might pray to have evil delivered to us so that we may come to grips with it.

[page 162, 163] I have given a general description of the task of the fifth post-Atlantean period by saying that it will be up to humanity during this period to come to grips with evil as an impulsein world evolution. We have talked variously about what this means. It is essential that the forces which manifest as evil if they appear at the wrong place must be taken in hand by human endeavor in the fifth post-Atlantean period in such a way that humanity can achieve something with these forces of evil that will be beneficial for the future of the whole of world evolution. Because of this the task of this fifth post-Atlantean period is an especially difficult one.

Evil is a good arriving out of its time. When such a good out of its time arrives on Earth, we are exhorted by Steiner to take this good and find ways to apply it in proper ways for this time. This can only be done by someone who is fully conscious of the nature of the good which is arriving out of its time."

[Metamike]

We are maybe off on a tangent here but...two thoughts come to mind. When it concerns how to deal with evil with respect to being "saved". We are the ones who can save us from our selves. Only we can do this. As Ra also says, "Send evil light"! Still, recognize that "evil" in society, especially places where things are really getting heavy - like the US - can be fought, protested against and what all that, and it can capture your own energy, consciousness and awareness away from your own goal and that is to be and do what your Higher self directs you to do. Nobody can save this world from itself because that is not the point. This world is perfectly designed to use duality to provide ample opportunity for all to choose an incredible wide variety of choices. That teaches us love because love is about freedom to chose. You may choose Steinar as your guide or you may choose your own Higher self. Just remember that only our Higher self knows what your real agenda and needs truly are.

I hope that makes sense. :)

[Nina]

Dear Metamike,
The other list I mentioned also discussed RA as well as other channeled material and it helped me a great deal. Sorry it is closed now because it appeared to provide a more critical perspective.

I try my best to use both inner guidance and select outer guidance. Just recently, gained a fuller interpretation of a dream I had a decade ago that had me climbing a mountain along with this clairvoyant (who had given me his take on a key relationship). Well, in dream the key fella was a baby in my backback and he fell out and when picked him up - saw he had "no eyes". Very vivid that he could not see the journey I was making, nor, apparently could I carry him. At the time, I figured the clairvoyant was there since he had provided real life info to me. Only now, realize another reason. He was also climbing the same mountain (used Steiner as a guide) - I just noted that distinction cause decade ago when had the dream I was not so directed....but I have become that way...and have a new appreciation for the precognitve insights enclosed therein.

I reread the Secret Brotherhoods review and found several good links after his footnote 2, more in the direction of those meetings after death,etc.

In earlier "Christ Jesus thread", post 13 shared the Ra Michel and more from a Steiner review about Archangel Michael.

Thanks for your concern but I'm pretty sure I'm ok! I almost went the same way you did but was nervous about hypnosis - did not want the responsibility - do not think we know enough about all that is involved.
Guess you could call me conservative! Take care and thanks - NINA

[SpiralCycle]

I do understand you Super Manny. Keep in mind guys that I am not trying to divide the two and discredit either sets of material. These books are probably in the top 5 or 10 in my all time reading list and explain so much and seem to fit well. (I as many others here have done great amounts of reading through intuitive sugesstion both online and in books so these two being in the top ten is a pretty good sign)

I have also contemplated that they don't neccesarily conflict but some things aren't hinted upon fully that can fully bridge what seems to be the books small differences. I wish I had the time two go into all the details and sit down and post The Ra Material, Journey Of Souls Series and Edgar Cayce readings but the problem is I have 3 jobs right now but I am sure for those who have read these recently can see what I am trying to get at.

I also have a HUGE Edgar Cayce book and he mentions many things such as soul groups, the dimention between life and others. I do not remember reading anything about density shift yet he mentions things that go in sync with the RA Material also... funny thought I just had was I am posting him as a bridge and I am doing it in his incarnations forum :D.

I have at least 5 others around me who have great ESP and they have seen with thier astral perception (third eye) entitys here on earth both bad and good (the bad I guess looks like black vortexes) :eek: and so this coincides with th RA Material.

The only reason I have been putting this stuff under a microscope is because I have put together many other "pieces" of many walks of life but this seems to be one of the most important obviously because if you knew for sure either of these works you would know how the human/3D soul works which to me would be the best teaching possible only 2nd to Here/Now Now/Here.

I hope others read all of these works. I have not had anyone say they were anything less than fantastic and obviously that has been shown in this forum also.

But I guess at the same time we will find most likely definitely find out by 2012. (2012 has proved to have some missing links also because of peeking into the future which would seem to be in a time past 2012 on earth, this experience has very small margin for error because the sequence of events it happened in could not be wrong unless it was in a grounded 4th density)

Thanks for all your feedback and I hope to hear more without going to far off this topic. :rolleyes:

[Alloura]

Hi All!

This is my first post. I LOVE this website, and of course David!

I have read all three of Micheal Newton's books, and love them. Mine are pretty beat up, as I have re-read them a couple of times. They, along with The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce helped re-awaken me to what's really going on, and the need to focus on learning all that I can about the coming changes, and trying to understand myself better.
I had 3 sessions with one of Micheal's past-life regressionist (I think of him as a good friend now!), and learned so much about my current incarnation, and one of the main themes I chose this time around. I really needed the information, as I was at a crossroads in my relationship with my spouse, and wanted to make choices that would not create more negative karma with him.
What I learned was SO AMAZING - and I KNOW so true!!

One of the sessions was a LBL (life between lives), and I saw those who are a part of my soul group. It is one of the most cherished memories I have of our sessions!

This took place in the spring of 07, and since then I have been reading everything that I have been guided to - many of the books are ones David has on his list. I feel like I need to catch up, as I have spent the last 25 years in a religion that my spouse chose, that is very conservative and restrictive. I DO want to say that I did have spiritual experiences during the 25 year period. But my spirit knew, and longed for the freedom to just love and accept people as they are, without all the rules and regulations. Agency is SUCH an important issue (THE ISSUE) here on Terra, and I think for the most part, often misunderstood. When we come to the realization that we are totally responsible for our choices, and the consequences that come with them, our perception of the situations in our lives take on a whole new meaning.

It is WONDERFUL to read the posts!! As many of you have said, I have felt very alone on this journey at times - as my family does not believe as I do. Luckily for me, they are tolerant of my "slant on things", so there is no friction in the air at home. (At least about this issue!!) I will just continue to share things I have learned as the opportunity arises...

One last thing - I recieved an email from my past-life regressionist recently. Micheal Newton had contacted all of his PLR to let them know that he was going to put together another book, and was requesting sessions from them. We were asked if we would be willing to share our sessions, and I enthusiastically said yes. If what I learned might be of help to someone else, well isn't that what this is all about??

Looking forward to hearing from all of you!

Love & Light
Alloura

[SpiralCycle]

Hey alloura thanks for the post it is nice to see somone that has went through some of this stuff personal. When you get into the past life/inbetween life regression session did you have any idea (michael newton mentions no one for the most part prior to his sessions) that you would stumble upon the spiritual realm? Does it match up with his books? Also if these things are true and you are still in contact with your regressionist I think it would be of great help to maybe contact your spiritual guide in soul form in a superconscious state and ask how The Ra material that we have all been discussing here lines up to Michaels work and maybe a little bit about density changes.

That is of course if you have looked into those things from being on this site. This would probably be the question that would give me the most solice and peace of mind. Thank you very much from sharing and we are happy that you stumbled into this wonderful website. ;)

[onething]

I have noted that David has brought up Michael Newton's books twice recently on radio broadcasts and on his last post. Since finding this site a few years ago and reading the LoO info, I have not really found much discrepancy with it and my own worldview, but I consider Newton's testimony to be extremely valid and I have found a possible discrepancy.

His books for me are a paradigm changing amount of new information for humanity. And David must have read them recently as well, and respects them. What these books are about is a hypnotherapist who started out as a skeptic who didn't even believe in a soul and afterlife, but helped people with current life issues until one day his client's issue needed a past life regression to solve. Eventually, he had a client whom he led through a death scene in a previous life, and then it became like a typical near death account, except that it went much further, since the person had actually died for good. He spent about the next 25 years doing past life and between lives regressions on thousands of people, and got very consistent data. So the main import of these books is not the past life recall, but the new information on what goes on behind the scenes between lives in the spirit world, where we spend quite a lot of time.

Although most of his clients were not privy to the upper level plannings of higher beings who no longer reincarnate, their accounts of the soul groups to which they belong, their soul guides who meet them after every life, and the learning centers on the other side are quite fascinating and encouraging. But they insist that there is not only no hell (I"m fine with that!) but that there are no evil beings such as 4th and 5th density negatives which influence humanity in subtle ways. So the author does not think that the problems on this planet arise from anywhere else than the human mind.

I have thought that humanity is in fact subject to manipulation and suggestion by nefarious disembodied entities. Although I am aware that in general we do not bring up books and authors here, I think this information should be discussed since David himself brought it up.

It is possible that all these thousands of clients were not aware and not given certain information. Their guides and higher level wisdom teachers definitely have limits on what they will allow people to access in the hypnotic state. But they insist that the spirit world is a place of total love and acceptance and gentle if firm guidance. It's like a place of 4D positive, even though souls may have not done well in their lives here, we incarnate to take on challenges and to become stronger in "who we really are" until we become strong enough to keep our morality even in difficult circumstances and with the forgetting of who we really are that comes with incarnation. In other words, souls that have not made the choice for 4D positive or negative, nonetheless go there between lives and reconnect with a place of love and acceptance, guidance and learning. A choice is not mentioned.

I wish I had a couple of people with whom to discuss the implications of these books and how we might incorporate them. I can't recommend them highly enough.

[MarkM]

Although most of his clients were not privy to the upper level plannings of higher beings who no longer reincarnate, their accounts of the soul groups to which they belong, their soul guides who meet them after every life, and the learning centers on the other side are quite fascinating and encouraging. But they insist that there is not only no hell (I"m fine with that!) but that there are no evil beings such as 4th and 5th density negatives which influence humanity in subtle ways. So the author does not think that the problems on this planet arise from anywhere else than the human mind.

My feeling is that the work of Newton and others like him are intended to merely demonstrate to the seeker of immortality that life is an assured thing, and that indeed negative influence is strictly an artificial and self-bequeathed edifice of the permission of an individual to explore their own propensity to fear.

Negative influence is only acted upon those who 'make it so'. Conversely, those who choose to wield their god given birthright to seek love, compassion and forgiveness are to equal extremes exempt from negative influence. Really, very simple. Mark

[billybobbutterball]

I'm embarrassed to say that I missed this thread when it came into being.

When Onething mentioned Micheal Newton's work in a PM I was unawares that he had been "grandfathered" --so to speak -- so first of all I was concerned that he is not specifically mentioned in the "suggested reading list", and thus not allowable, and secondly, I didn't think that arguing for a life after death reality, etc., was a vital topic, since in my mind -- and for the vast majority of long-time members of this website -- it has been long settled and no longer a vital issue dangling in the breeze.

Newton, being a regression hypnotist, reminded me of one Dolores Cannon, who does similar work and is mentioned in the reading list. A couple of years ago I had watched a video of hers; was moderately impressed but that was the sum of it.

I googled and came up with one of her books which offered a limited read. Wow! there was some transcendentally extra-dimensional stuff that raised my interest a whole order of magnitude!

Then in turn I googled Newton and listened to a 2 hour interview -- an experience that was pleasant but basically old hat -- not as exciting as Dolores' work. Onething replied that the books had ever so much more to offer...so I found another limited-reading, but this time featuring Michael's "Destiny of Souls." I jumped into the middle and sampled a hundred pages or so...WOW! My brain lighted up! This was useful stuff!:D

However, the minimization of negativity grated me wrong. Something was missing of of such central importance and which makes the Ra Material so very special and unique of all religious philosophies. :confused:

Now one thing is that these abodes of spiritual beings between incarnation are located in the astral/inner planes and not in the higher dimensions. We are not getting the whole picture that involves higher complexities which would distract from the central idea.

One concept that made sense to me is that the spiritual entity is not complete when it reincarnates; a certain predetermined amount of spiritual essence is left behind in reserve.

When the spirit combines with the earthly body there is a BLENDING of the two entities that adds up to a THIRD entity that turns out to be something like a Joker in the deck -- Things go wrong! The best laid plans of mice and spirits gang aft agley!! :eek:

So, (pure speculation on my part ) in using the case of the current reincarnation of Edgar Cayce...the spiritual essence globs onto the infant David Wilcock only to find itself globbed on to in turn...so, you get EC and DW as a blend...rather than EC simply coming aboard and running the whole show.:cool:

Thanks for reading...and with more emphasis than the usual disclaimer be sure to trash any sloppy speculation above that doesn't resonate!

best, BBB

Update: I've finished the Destiny of Souls and am now starting in the three volumes of Dolores Cannon entitled, The Convoluted Universe. ..with a total of about 1700 pages to digest it will keep me busy for awhile. Unlike the more formal academic style of the Ra Material, These respective works by skilled regressionists gives me the feeling of a hand's on peek behind the curtain... and speaking of the veil of confusion, these works explain just WHY the law of confusion is such an important feature, and how it promotes and actually scoots along solid spiritual growth!