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10-19-2001, 11:48 PM
hope this is helpful to those who missed the show , it appears the
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it's not too bad - jason
richard hoagland on art bell
october 18, 2001
section 1 ? all text edited down as this was intended to
summarize
appearance
begins approx: 1:07
richard c hoagland: you know this audience that is listening to us
now, is extraordinarily important and special, and i have said over
and over again in many different venues that we are basically one
vast electronic family all linked, well what we're gonna talk
about tonight is that that is probably not a metaphor, that probably
has some basis in real scientific verifiable reality and when i
sent you the stuff on this princeton gang that we're gonna talk
about, i was so jazzed, and i know you picked up on it
immediately because it's the first objective data that
contributes substantively, toward proving, doesn't say proves
yet, but it contributes toward proving a whole bunch of things
that you have dealt with on this show for decades.
rch: in the midst of that tragedy that's how i found this?a
guy named david heche brought it to my attention.
rch: at princeton there is a group called the global consciousness
project.
rch: and so a guy named roger nelson? a guy named dean radin who
is over at mitchell's stomping grounds over in california?
beginning about like 1986, in december of 1996? they had a few
informal meetings where they wanted to know based on the paradigm of
a guy named teilhard de chardin? he's a very famous catholic
priest
who was kind of a holistic generalist of the last century and on the
top of nelson's description of what they did, called gathering of
global mind, he has a really amazing quote that i think will set the
tenure for the evening. he says, "someday after mastering winds,
waves, tides and gravity we shall harness the energies of love, and
then for the second time in the history of the world man will have
discovered fire"
rch: this was their idea, could they somehow measure the idea of a
growing global mind. ?based out of a project running at princeton
called p.e.a.r?.
rch: what they were trying to do was objectively, quantitatively
scientifically measure this idea of a global linkage of minds.
[note: see http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm. has links for
more information on just described experiments with links to
research. they continue to discuss the experiment and how the art
bell audience can participate. art proceeds to tell audience to
picture princeton and the ivy league and "pick the number 5,
stopping the random nature of what these computers are doing right
now..stopping the randomness and becoming something singular, all of
us together, close your eyes and picture stopping the random nature
of what is going on at princeton, let's see if we can bring those
pentium to their knees..begin now" ]
section 2
begins approx: 1:33
[continues discussion of affect on sept 11 on random number
generating machines and how a spike of coherence was noted before the
actual attacks took place in nyc and pentagon. see the previously
mentioned enterprisemission.com article.]
rch: one of the models is that we are looking at precognition here.
we are looking at some affect that is beyond time. so it was almost
like the little rng's (random number generators) were measuring
the precognitive future seeing echo
art bell: exactly!
rch: of the event before it happened.
ab: exactly!
rch: that is one possible model. i will grant that. the one that
i'm looking at, and obviously i'm attached to this a bit
because we have been doing this work for so many years is that
instead of the rng's measuring linkage of minds what they are
measuring is a background physical process, an effect, a change in
the fundamental constants of reality of the local universe round the
earth into which these events are fitted so that minds can
communicate more easily in those windows, the blockage, the gates or
the ah barriers to linkage between separate minds is less in those
windows than at other times.
ab: well, remote viewers talk about a non-locality. when you ask them
how they do it, and what medium they use, and remote viewing i do
believe to be real?i've had enough examples thank you, umm
and as we know the government had it for years and years and years,
the cia was doing it, and it's real, and they talk about this non-
locality they use, this medium they use, calling it non-
locality..right?
rch: well there is a theorem called bell's inequality theorem
which basically says that that can't happen in quantum physics
and it is routinely now and in laboratory measurements all over the
world violated, where two particles, two sub-atomic particles, two
photons, two spinning electrons, clumps of atoms they have now
managed to accomplish this with, eh through a process called quantum
entanglement meaning they are somehow connected.
ab: i've seen stories on quantum entanglement lately?
rch: yea when you divide these fundamental particles?
ab: but richard?i had a very qualified professor on from
princeton last night and he politely scoffed at any suggestion
that ..of psi ability or anything else. umm sort of a polite
"give me
a break" huh
rch: well then he goes down the hall and talks to roger nelson and
the other guys?haha..cmon you know, this is data!
ab: i know
rch: it is impossible unless we are dealing with massive con-artists
and thieves, intellectual thieves at princeton to imagine that
somebody could rig these 39 gadgets around the world.
ab: it's not rigged.
rch: no, of course it isn't.
ab: no.
rch: so, you've got, as sherlock holmes used to say, when you
eliminated the possible your have to go for the impossible, and the
impossible under the current paradigm is there is some kind of
communication which is changing the laws of physics for these little
gadgets all over the world, in synchronization, so their spitting out
of random numbers are less random at some times than other times.
ab: do you think it has anything to do with god, richard?
rch: well if you think of god as the overall modality of existence, i
mean we are all here by the grace of that. if you think of god as
some long white beard, you know, running around in a robe, no i
don't think it's that metaphor. but i do think it's a
larger
concept of mind. you know we are in the mind of god, the universe is
in the mind of god, in other words, we are getting into extraordinary
confirmation of extraordinary possibilities that other generations
could only think and wonder about. and we've got real data to
work with.
ab:?is this a power enabled through the creator, or only in a
much broader sense.
rch: well i think it's the power in any conscious mind given that
we're not limited to this three-dimensional existence.
ab: ok, well then let me try it another way. umm..we're in such
tough territory here. i have always believed that god helps those who
helps themselves right? and uh...so maybe it's some of both. let
me
ask it this way richard, is it ..does it work for the same reason
that prayer works? you know the experiments that have gone on with
prayer right? when somebody has prayed when they have a control group
of people who are prayed for, who have an illness, and they pray for
the control group..and uh for the target group, they come out with
much much higher cure rates. now how is this concentration [the
experiment earlier in program etc.] in any way different from prayer
to god for something like this [healing control group]
rch: well i think the consciousness project in princeton, in their
subtitle, kind of says it. it's called the global consciousness
project: registering coherence and resonance in the world. and if you
get all these separate minds to resonate, to be on the same
wavelength, to think about the same thing at the same time. let me
give you a stunning real world example, and this is the first time i
have ever told anybody, being on the air tonight with 20 million of
our most intimate friends right?
ab: yes?hehe.
rch: we've all watched george bush for the last?.i have been
watching the transformation of george w. bush?.everybody has
commented
this is a different person than who we saw before sept. 11.
?what i am going to propose tonight, is that this man has become
the focus of millions upon millions of linked minds all wishing him
the absolute best in extricating us from this horrible morass we are
in.
ab: i'm sure your right.
rch: and most people are feeling really good about george bush right
now. in fact there was a poll tonight that?prefer bush to
clinton.
?so i'm going to propose the transformation we are seeing in
the president is because everyone is focusing this incredibly
positive resonance, lifting him up by his bootstraps and bringing out
what was within him but never had a chance to blossom. and he has
become an orator, he has become funny, he has become casual, he has
become comfortable,
ab: he's risen to it.
rch: he's suddenly filled the presidency like fdr did. see if you
go back and look at these huge nexus points in history where you had
these huge events people required real leadership. ?i'm
saying we are making george bush what we want him to be and we are
evoking the potential within him that nothing ever tapped before. and
that's an ongoing experiment we are watching on global
television.
ab: all of this may be a far larger power than any bomb we could ever
drop.
rch: no doubt because it's the power of positive thinking and a
positive idea is 10,000 times more energetic than a negative idea.
ab: wellll?brace yourself, cause here's where i'm gonna,
i'm gonna
disagree with you richard. i am not going to indulge it nor think
about it nor try it but i believe that this power is simply a power.
now i may be off on this, but i think you could concentrate on a
negative event, trying to cause a negative event and wield the same
kind of power if you wished in that negative way?
rch: ?that was what hitler was trying to do. that was the whole
occult magical side of the ss .
ab: and to some degree he succeeded.
rch: he succeeded to a degree?but who won?
ab: but richard if the cause was right, and i don't want to do
this,
but if you wanted to concentrate on breaking a critical blood vessel
in the head of osama bin ladin deep in his cave, and kill the guy, i
think it could be done. this is an area i will not enter?.i think
it's just a power, it can be used anyway at all if you could
convince
people [to do it]
rch: well this gets into the substance of this paper, well as you
know you called me for about 2 or 3 days
ab: yes, cause i'm very excited about this as you know?
[see the paper linked at beginning of transcript]
rch: we look at the princeton experiment in the context of what were
they really trying to achieve?.from our work on the hd [hyper-
dimensional] model and the alignments?i believe that what bin
ladin
et al. were trying to do and what the numbers demonstrate, they were
trying to do in the negative what we tonight have been trying to do
in the positive.
ab: well then to some degree you proved my point.
rch: and they were trying to do it, not at any old random time, but
picking certain key celestial windows of opportunity?
ab: could be.
rch: ?when the physics is right to leverage their effect so they
could warp the consciousness and literally bend the future to their
will. this is more powerful than the atomic bomb, you understand
that?
ab: yes, i think i do.
section 3
begins approx: 2:07
rch: ?it [a problem at pear] looks celestial. and this is what
the hd
model has said. in other words, because of the way this physics
works, because of the way you open doorways between dimensions so
information can be communicated between one mind or another or one
groups of people and another or one machine and another you have to
have the right geometry with these spinning objects in this thing we
call the solar system. and this geometry replicates on a series of
cycles, be they a month, a few years, decades, centuries, whatever,
you have these repeating cycles. everybody know about the sunspot
cycle. everybody knows the moon goes around the earth in about one
month.
ab: [asks rch if stitchin was right, about an unknown celestial
object and 3 days or darkness. i assume he refers to planet x] i just
wonder if that resonates with anything your thinking?
rch: well it would if a rather massive object twirls through the
solar system every x number of years and then replicates a set of
geometric configurations with the ordinary members of the solar
system that we all know and love so well.
ab: yes.
rch: ?this [hd model] works in a series of windows. there is a
real
physics based on real alignments which works which creates certain
conditions that you can measure, that can literally alter reality.
[note: my bold]
now up until a couple of weeks ago before i learned of the princeton
guys, i only knew this as a theoretical possibility. now that we have
real data, and they have offered to match their data against our
windows, i mean, this is pretty heavyweight stuff. real university
scientists, real academics, real work, real thinking, and we'll
have
some wondrous correlations that will blow their minds and other
peoples minds because we now believe we understand that these
configurations actually work, actually mean something that are not
just symbolic. a lot of the stuff you and i talked about over the
years art in terms of nasa doing things, flying by when things were
at certain angles is strictly symbolic. it's almost like a
shorthand,
almost like a code. you know we're all very concerned now that
bin
ladin is going to give us codes, here on cnn. well this is a real
code and it's right in front of us, and only very few people know
how
to figure it out because the basis of this has been lost in the midst
of history. well what the princeton group has got is a set of
detectors, sensors if you want to go to the star trek analogy that
allow us for the first time to actually measure the bending of
reality, the changing of the physical constants on a predictive
basis. and if you got their website, which is of course linked
through this long article that i put up on our site tonight, you will
find a ton of experiments where they have done formal predictions of
various events all over the world.
[banter site art goes to site
rch: what's most fascinating to me art, and this is going to be
controlled tonight, what we've done, first you doing it with
rush,
and then doing ours, we did not plan this in advance. you did not sit
down with your little copy of redshift?
ab: no, absolutely not.
rch: ?that i gave you many years ago and plan to do this with
certain
key alignments. right?
ab: that's right.
rch: so it's a strictly random experiment. let me tell you what
my
prediction is going to be. unless we randomly hit a window, which i
don't think we did because they are not that often,
ab: oh..here's the chart showing?oh my god. oh my god. the
terrorist
attacks, when the terrorist attacks occurred this thing went?oh
my
god.
rch: right?look at that. look at how it begins to rise hours
before
the event.
ab: yea, let me see. ahhh?according to this richard, let's
see?oh i
see?holy crapola!
rch: he he he.
ab: this is astounding folks, and this is the measurement of the non-
randomness essentially
rch: of all these 39 rng's all over the world feeding their data
back
through the internet to the princeton computers.
ab: holy macrole richard. ?as you go down the screen you will get
to
this graph that will blow your mind. that's all of you folks,
that's
all of us on that day. that's astounding richard.
rch: well it's astounding because if you look at the rest of the
long
article, and it's long with lots of links and lots of
documentation,
it goes back a thousand years. it charts this problem we're
having in
the middle east with these maniacs going back to a group called the
order of the assassins, literally a thousand years ago. actually on
the very day of the event [wtc/pentagon attacks] which happened on 9-
11.
ab: yes.
rch: you know the famous 911. the assassins were formed in 1090 ad.
subtract 1090 ad from 2001 you get 911. these people are ultimately
up their eyebrows, bin ladin et al. in ceremonial magic. they believe
they can affect history by doing terrible negative things?within
these windows, these time-windows. they're trying to perform, by
killing 7,000 people on global television, an awful version of the
positive experiments we have conducted tonight.
ab: again, proving my point i'm sorry to say.
rch: well?look technology or physics is neutral.
ab: yea that's what i think too. it is a might power.
rch: it's called free will art. you want to talk about god,
it's
called free will.
ab: and it can be used either way.
rch: and it can be used either way?but i will say it's a lot
easier
to get a bunch of people together for a positive effect ?
ab: yea?
rch: ?than it is for a negative effect.
ab: i agree. although evil minds have managed it, witness hitler and
many others.
rch: yea, but they need help. they need these windows. they need
brownie points. they need to ace the bet and this probably works in
terms of linking consciousness at any old time. it just works a lot
more efficiently if you do it in the right window, going back to how
the physics of our universe really works in our local neighborhood,
which of course is the only neighborhood we happen to live in at the
moment.
?it was a horrendous, mind-numbing, depressing thing [9-11], and
it
took me about a month to feel really semi myself again, as i watched
this, and i watched all the ancillary effects.
ab: oh i know.
rch: part of what i was trying to do by writing this piece was work
therapy, because if this project has any contribution to make to the
well-being of humankind, it's to figure out the baselines of
what's
going on here so the good guys can use it to prevent the bad guys
from using it ever again, and i am extremely pleased to report
tonight, and i have to be careful how i say this, that we have had
some very serious people in the administration looking at our data,
particularly at this article we have written on the web, and i got a
couple of calls tonight and they said that you can say that there is
an intrigued interest in this as a predictive technique, a predictive
tool in companion with the princeton data to allow us to prevent this
from ever happening again.
?you know the framers were into this stuff, george washington was
a
33rd degree mason, and i know you make fun of masons?
ab: i do not.
rch: some masons, not all, but a few, know a lot that they don't
talk
about.
ab: i do not make fun of masons, richard?not me.
rch: well, there are things that are known, and there are things that
are suspected, and there are things that almost nobody knows about
and when your dealing with this kind of power. remember this is a
real physics and technology, if we're correct. it is more
powerful
than the h-bomb and with this kind of power would you want any of the
negative effects we just discussed a short while ago?
ab: of course not.
rch: so, i am of the belief and i'm not alone. people like my
friend
graham hancock, who did a lot of research on the templars, the mason
connection and all that believes when the templars were hanging out
in the temple mount in jerusalem, having arrived there in 1118,
suddenly, dramatically, and demanded basically that they be allowed
to dig and they found that hill and till 1127, which is what 4 or 5
years, they did nothing but excavate on the temple mount on what was
the first and second temple of solomon.
ab: richard, that this power would be known to ancient organizations
and even protected as some sort of important secret, that doesn't
surprise me for one second. i'm sure that mankind has always had
this
power, i mean always, since mankind has been around. it's use
might
be a secret piece of knowledge protected by a secret
organization..does that surprise me? absolutely not.
rch: well a lot of people think a thousand years is a long time,
it's
not, it's yesterday. what we're projecting based on the work
of
graham and others is that the templars found documents or information
buried under that hill, sacred information, that has been carefully
preserved by the jewish priesthood that has come from much much
earlier. i mean we're talking basically, atlantis-type stuff.
which
brings me to another thing i have to tell you tonight, that i have to
tell you on the air.
ab: i bet you there is records of it below the church in rome.
rch: ah, i would not at all be surprised.
ab: right.
rch: one of my sources tonight, again connected to the
administration, you know, proven track record, says keep your eyes on
cuba. the stuff going on at cuba, a half-mile down?
ab: he he?yes.
rch: is absolutely real. and there is a tremendous confluence of
experts now being quietly brought in. they are trying to do dating.
they have photographs, they have corings, i asked obviously when the
hell are we going to all hear about this and he says well "give
us a
couple of weeks and maybe i can give you a date."
ab: well good luck. i have feelers out everywhere richard and all i
get back from all of them is "yes, hey brother, this one's
really
real. and it's really big. and it's really going to break.
and it's
really being controlled right now" that's what i get.
rch: well the reason it's relevant is because, if we're
looking, and
by the way you know the dates he floated by me tonight, and we know
they don't know because they don't have the background to
really do
the dating, i mean you can't date stone, you can't date
metal.
ab: right.
rch: so you have to date things like organics. they're
estimating,
this is going to blow your socks off art, their estimating that this
stuff down there, a half-mile below off cuba, below the surface of
the ocean is 50,000 years old. i'm betting it's closer to
?
ab: richard, how would you imagine it got down that far, because we
all know since the last ice age you could account for maybe 900 feet.
rch: exactly.
ab: 300 feet, i'm sorry, at best, in change of ocean levels. so
here
we have something down a half a mile that may represent a whole
ancient city and the 64 gazillion dollar question is, how it could be
possible, what, even at 50,000 years of whatever age, it could have
gone down that far. absolutely, it's just flat-out impossible.
don't
answer until after the break.
rch: ok. can do.
ab: how could it have gotten down that far? something really big had
to have happened. something that we have no particular reference
for. maybe in the exploration, maybe national geographic and others
who are looking will find out exactly what did happen. i think
richard has his own ideas about how it may have happened.
section 4
begins approx: 2:33
[following break they go into something to do with anthrax remedy,
called nano-bomb and the resignation of dan goldin from nasa,
upcoming mars analysis, didn't continue with line of thought in
previous section]
section 5
beings approx: 3:33
rch: the key of course it's what's the dating. [referring to
ruins
off coast of cuba] the guys i'm talking to were plugged in to,
they
were saying 50,000. but i bet it's going to come out closer to
13,000?
which is a whole other show.
ab: he he, yea it sure is.
rch: ha.
formatting gets a little weird when you paste text from word, but
it's not too bad - jason
richard hoagland on art bell
october 18, 2001
section 1 ? all text edited down as this was intended to
summarize
appearance
begins approx: 1:07
richard c hoagland: you know this audience that is listening to us
now, is extraordinarily important and special, and i have said over
and over again in many different venues that we are basically one
vast electronic family all linked, well what we're gonna talk
about tonight is that that is probably not a metaphor, that probably
has some basis in real scientific verifiable reality and when i
sent you the stuff on this princeton gang that we're gonna talk
about, i was so jazzed, and i know you picked up on it
immediately because it's the first objective data that
contributes substantively, toward proving, doesn't say proves
yet, but it contributes toward proving a whole bunch of things
that you have dealt with on this show for decades.
rch: in the midst of that tragedy that's how i found this?a
guy named david heche brought it to my attention.
rch: at princeton there is a group called the global consciousness
project.
rch: and so a guy named roger nelson? a guy named dean radin who
is over at mitchell's stomping grounds over in california?
beginning about like 1986, in december of 1996? they had a few
informal meetings where they wanted to know based on the paradigm of
a guy named teilhard de chardin? he's a very famous catholic
priest
who was kind of a holistic generalist of the last century and on the
top of nelson's description of what they did, called gathering of
global mind, he has a really amazing quote that i think will set the
tenure for the evening. he says, "someday after mastering winds,
waves, tides and gravity we shall harness the energies of love, and
then for the second time in the history of the world man will have
discovered fire"
rch: this was their idea, could they somehow measure the idea of a
growing global mind. ?based out of a project running at princeton
called p.e.a.r?.
rch: what they were trying to do was objectively, quantitatively
scientifically measure this idea of a global linkage of minds.
[note: see http://www.enterprisemission.com/tower2.htm. has links for
more information on just described experiments with links to
research. they continue to discuss the experiment and how the art
bell audience can participate. art proceeds to tell audience to
picture princeton and the ivy league and "pick the number 5,
stopping the random nature of what these computers are doing right
now..stopping the randomness and becoming something singular, all of
us together, close your eyes and picture stopping the random nature
of what is going on at princeton, let's see if we can bring those
pentium to their knees..begin now" ]
section 2
begins approx: 1:33
[continues discussion of affect on sept 11 on random number
generating machines and how a spike of coherence was noted before the
actual attacks took place in nyc and pentagon. see the previously
mentioned enterprisemission.com article.]
rch: one of the models is that we are looking at precognition here.
we are looking at some affect that is beyond time. so it was almost
like the little rng's (random number generators) were measuring
the precognitive future seeing echo
art bell: exactly!
rch: of the event before it happened.
ab: exactly!
rch: that is one possible model. i will grant that. the one that
i'm looking at, and obviously i'm attached to this a bit
because we have been doing this work for so many years is that
instead of the rng's measuring linkage of minds what they are
measuring is a background physical process, an effect, a change in
the fundamental constants of reality of the local universe round the
earth into which these events are fitted so that minds can
communicate more easily in those windows, the blockage, the gates or
the ah barriers to linkage between separate minds is less in those
windows than at other times.
ab: well, remote viewers talk about a non-locality. when you ask them
how they do it, and what medium they use, and remote viewing i do
believe to be real?i've had enough examples thank you, umm
and as we know the government had it for years and years and years,
the cia was doing it, and it's real, and they talk about this non-
locality they use, this medium they use, calling it non-
locality..right?
rch: well there is a theorem called bell's inequality theorem
which basically says that that can't happen in quantum physics
and it is routinely now and in laboratory measurements all over the
world violated, where two particles, two sub-atomic particles, two
photons, two spinning electrons, clumps of atoms they have now
managed to accomplish this with, eh through a process called quantum
entanglement meaning they are somehow connected.
ab: i've seen stories on quantum entanglement lately?
rch: yea when you divide these fundamental particles?
ab: but richard?i had a very qualified professor on from
princeton last night and he politely scoffed at any suggestion
that ..of psi ability or anything else. umm sort of a polite
"give me
a break" huh
rch: well then he goes down the hall and talks to roger nelson and
the other guys?haha..cmon you know, this is data!
ab: i know
rch: it is impossible unless we are dealing with massive con-artists
and thieves, intellectual thieves at princeton to imagine that
somebody could rig these 39 gadgets around the world.
ab: it's not rigged.
rch: no, of course it isn't.
ab: no.
rch: so, you've got, as sherlock holmes used to say, when you
eliminated the possible your have to go for the impossible, and the
impossible under the current paradigm is there is some kind of
communication which is changing the laws of physics for these little
gadgets all over the world, in synchronization, so their spitting out
of random numbers are less random at some times than other times.
ab: do you think it has anything to do with god, richard?
rch: well if you think of god as the overall modality of existence, i
mean we are all here by the grace of that. if you think of god as
some long white beard, you know, running around in a robe, no i
don't think it's that metaphor. but i do think it's a
larger
concept of mind. you know we are in the mind of god, the universe is
in the mind of god, in other words, we are getting into extraordinary
confirmation of extraordinary possibilities that other generations
could only think and wonder about. and we've got real data to
work with.
ab:?is this a power enabled through the creator, or only in a
much broader sense.
rch: well i think it's the power in any conscious mind given that
we're not limited to this three-dimensional existence.
ab: ok, well then let me try it another way. umm..we're in such
tough territory here. i have always believed that god helps those who
helps themselves right? and uh...so maybe it's some of both. let
me
ask it this way richard, is it ..does it work for the same reason
that prayer works? you know the experiments that have gone on with
prayer right? when somebody has prayed when they have a control group
of people who are prayed for, who have an illness, and they pray for
the control group..and uh for the target group, they come out with
much much higher cure rates. now how is this concentration [the
experiment earlier in program etc.] in any way different from prayer
to god for something like this [healing control group]
rch: well i think the consciousness project in princeton, in their
subtitle, kind of says it. it's called the global consciousness
project: registering coherence and resonance in the world. and if you
get all these separate minds to resonate, to be on the same
wavelength, to think about the same thing at the same time. let me
give you a stunning real world example, and this is the first time i
have ever told anybody, being on the air tonight with 20 million of
our most intimate friends right?
ab: yes?hehe.
rch: we've all watched george bush for the last?.i have been
watching the transformation of george w. bush?.everybody has
commented
this is a different person than who we saw before sept. 11.
?what i am going to propose tonight, is that this man has become
the focus of millions upon millions of linked minds all wishing him
the absolute best in extricating us from this horrible morass we are
in.
ab: i'm sure your right.
rch: and most people are feeling really good about george bush right
now. in fact there was a poll tonight that?prefer bush to
clinton.
?so i'm going to propose the transformation we are seeing in
the president is because everyone is focusing this incredibly
positive resonance, lifting him up by his bootstraps and bringing out
what was within him but never had a chance to blossom. and he has
become an orator, he has become funny, he has become casual, he has
become comfortable,
ab: he's risen to it.
rch: he's suddenly filled the presidency like fdr did. see if you
go back and look at these huge nexus points in history where you had
these huge events people required real leadership. ?i'm
saying we are making george bush what we want him to be and we are
evoking the potential within him that nothing ever tapped before. and
that's an ongoing experiment we are watching on global
television.
ab: all of this may be a far larger power than any bomb we could ever
drop.
rch: no doubt because it's the power of positive thinking and a
positive idea is 10,000 times more energetic than a negative idea.
ab: wellll?brace yourself, cause here's where i'm gonna,
i'm gonna
disagree with you richard. i am not going to indulge it nor think
about it nor try it but i believe that this power is simply a power.
now i may be off on this, but i think you could concentrate on a
negative event, trying to cause a negative event and wield the same
kind of power if you wished in that negative way?
rch: ?that was what hitler was trying to do. that was the whole
occult magical side of the ss .
ab: and to some degree he succeeded.
rch: he succeeded to a degree?but who won?
ab: but richard if the cause was right, and i don't want to do
this,
but if you wanted to concentrate on breaking a critical blood vessel
in the head of osama bin ladin deep in his cave, and kill the guy, i
think it could be done. this is an area i will not enter?.i think
it's just a power, it can be used anyway at all if you could
convince
people [to do it]
rch: well this gets into the substance of this paper, well as you
know you called me for about 2 or 3 days
ab: yes, cause i'm very excited about this as you know?
[see the paper linked at beginning of transcript]
rch: we look at the princeton experiment in the context of what were
they really trying to achieve?.from our work on the hd [hyper-
dimensional] model and the alignments?i believe that what bin
ladin
et al. were trying to do and what the numbers demonstrate, they were
trying to do in the negative what we tonight have been trying to do
in the positive.
ab: well then to some degree you proved my point.
rch: and they were trying to do it, not at any old random time, but
picking certain key celestial windows of opportunity?
ab: could be.
rch: ?when the physics is right to leverage their effect so they
could warp the consciousness and literally bend the future to their
will. this is more powerful than the atomic bomb, you understand
that?
ab: yes, i think i do.
section 3
begins approx: 2:07
rch: ?it [a problem at pear] looks celestial. and this is what
the hd
model has said. in other words, because of the way this physics
works, because of the way you open doorways between dimensions so
information can be communicated between one mind or another or one
groups of people and another or one machine and another you have to
have the right geometry with these spinning objects in this thing we
call the solar system. and this geometry replicates on a series of
cycles, be they a month, a few years, decades, centuries, whatever,
you have these repeating cycles. everybody know about the sunspot
cycle. everybody knows the moon goes around the earth in about one
month.
ab: [asks rch if stitchin was right, about an unknown celestial
object and 3 days or darkness. i assume he refers to planet x] i just
wonder if that resonates with anything your thinking?
rch: well it would if a rather massive object twirls through the
solar system every x number of years and then replicates a set of
geometric configurations with the ordinary members of the solar
system that we all know and love so well.
ab: yes.
rch: ?this [hd model] works in a series of windows. there is a
real
physics based on real alignments which works which creates certain
conditions that you can measure, that can literally alter reality.
[note: my bold]
now up until a couple of weeks ago before i learned of the princeton
guys, i only knew this as a theoretical possibility. now that we have
real data, and they have offered to match their data against our
windows, i mean, this is pretty heavyweight stuff. real university
scientists, real academics, real work, real thinking, and we'll
have
some wondrous correlations that will blow their minds and other
peoples minds because we now believe we understand that these
configurations actually work, actually mean something that are not
just symbolic. a lot of the stuff you and i talked about over the
years art in terms of nasa doing things, flying by when things were
at certain angles is strictly symbolic. it's almost like a
shorthand,
almost like a code. you know we're all very concerned now that
bin
ladin is going to give us codes, here on cnn. well this is a real
code and it's right in front of us, and only very few people know
how
to figure it out because the basis of this has been lost in the midst
of history. well what the princeton group has got is a set of
detectors, sensors if you want to go to the star trek analogy that
allow us for the first time to actually measure the bending of
reality, the changing of the physical constants on a predictive
basis. and if you got their website, which is of course linked
through this long article that i put up on our site tonight, you will
find a ton of experiments where they have done formal predictions of
various events all over the world.
[banter site art goes to site
rch: what's most fascinating to me art, and this is going to be
controlled tonight, what we've done, first you doing it with
rush,
and then doing ours, we did not plan this in advance. you did not sit
down with your little copy of redshift?
ab: no, absolutely not.
rch: ?that i gave you many years ago and plan to do this with
certain
key alignments. right?
ab: that's right.
rch: so it's a strictly random experiment. let me tell you what
my
prediction is going to be. unless we randomly hit a window, which i
don't think we did because they are not that often,
ab: oh..here's the chart showing?oh my god. oh my god. the
terrorist
attacks, when the terrorist attacks occurred this thing went?oh
my
god.
rch: right?look at that. look at how it begins to rise hours
before
the event.
ab: yea, let me see. ahhh?according to this richard, let's
see?oh i
see?holy crapola!
rch: he he he.
ab: this is astounding folks, and this is the measurement of the non-
randomness essentially
rch: of all these 39 rng's all over the world feeding their data
back
through the internet to the princeton computers.
ab: holy macrole richard. ?as you go down the screen you will get
to
this graph that will blow your mind. that's all of you folks,
that's
all of us on that day. that's astounding richard.
rch: well it's astounding because if you look at the rest of the
long
article, and it's long with lots of links and lots of
documentation,
it goes back a thousand years. it charts this problem we're
having in
the middle east with these maniacs going back to a group called the
order of the assassins, literally a thousand years ago. actually on
the very day of the event [wtc/pentagon attacks] which happened on 9-
11.
ab: yes.
rch: you know the famous 911. the assassins were formed in 1090 ad.
subtract 1090 ad from 2001 you get 911. these people are ultimately
up their eyebrows, bin ladin et al. in ceremonial magic. they believe
they can affect history by doing terrible negative things?within
these windows, these time-windows. they're trying to perform, by
killing 7,000 people on global television, an awful version of the
positive experiments we have conducted tonight.
ab: again, proving my point i'm sorry to say.
rch: well?look technology or physics is neutral.
ab: yea that's what i think too. it is a might power.
rch: it's called free will art. you want to talk about god,
it's
called free will.
ab: and it can be used either way.
rch: and it can be used either way?but i will say it's a lot
easier
to get a bunch of people together for a positive effect ?
ab: yea?
rch: ?than it is for a negative effect.
ab: i agree. although evil minds have managed it, witness hitler and
many others.
rch: yea, but they need help. they need these windows. they need
brownie points. they need to ace the bet and this probably works in
terms of linking consciousness at any old time. it just works a lot
more efficiently if you do it in the right window, going back to how
the physics of our universe really works in our local neighborhood,
which of course is the only neighborhood we happen to live in at the
moment.
?it was a horrendous, mind-numbing, depressing thing [9-11], and
it
took me about a month to feel really semi myself again, as i watched
this, and i watched all the ancillary effects.
ab: oh i know.
rch: part of what i was trying to do by writing this piece was work
therapy, because if this project has any contribution to make to the
well-being of humankind, it's to figure out the baselines of
what's
going on here so the good guys can use it to prevent the bad guys
from using it ever again, and i am extremely pleased to report
tonight, and i have to be careful how i say this, that we have had
some very serious people in the administration looking at our data,
particularly at this article we have written on the web, and i got a
couple of calls tonight and they said that you can say that there is
an intrigued interest in this as a predictive technique, a predictive
tool in companion with the princeton data to allow us to prevent this
from ever happening again.
?you know the framers were into this stuff, george washington was
a
33rd degree mason, and i know you make fun of masons?
ab: i do not.
rch: some masons, not all, but a few, know a lot that they don't
talk
about.
ab: i do not make fun of masons, richard?not me.
rch: well, there are things that are known, and there are things that
are suspected, and there are things that almost nobody knows about
and when your dealing with this kind of power. remember this is a
real physics and technology, if we're correct. it is more
powerful
than the h-bomb and with this kind of power would you want any of the
negative effects we just discussed a short while ago?
ab: of course not.
rch: so, i am of the belief and i'm not alone. people like my
friend
graham hancock, who did a lot of research on the templars, the mason
connection and all that believes when the templars were hanging out
in the temple mount in jerusalem, having arrived there in 1118,
suddenly, dramatically, and demanded basically that they be allowed
to dig and they found that hill and till 1127, which is what 4 or 5
years, they did nothing but excavate on the temple mount on what was
the first and second temple of solomon.
ab: richard, that this power would be known to ancient organizations
and even protected as some sort of important secret, that doesn't
surprise me for one second. i'm sure that mankind has always had
this
power, i mean always, since mankind has been around. it's use
might
be a secret piece of knowledge protected by a secret
organization..does that surprise me? absolutely not.
rch: well a lot of people think a thousand years is a long time,
it's
not, it's yesterday. what we're projecting based on the work
of
graham and others is that the templars found documents or information
buried under that hill, sacred information, that has been carefully
preserved by the jewish priesthood that has come from much much
earlier. i mean we're talking basically, atlantis-type stuff.
which
brings me to another thing i have to tell you tonight, that i have to
tell you on the air.
ab: i bet you there is records of it below the church in rome.
rch: ah, i would not at all be surprised.
ab: right.
rch: one of my sources tonight, again connected to the
administration, you know, proven track record, says keep your eyes on
cuba. the stuff going on at cuba, a half-mile down?
ab: he he?yes.
rch: is absolutely real. and there is a tremendous confluence of
experts now being quietly brought in. they are trying to do dating.
they have photographs, they have corings, i asked obviously when the
hell are we going to all hear about this and he says well "give
us a
couple of weeks and maybe i can give you a date."
ab: well good luck. i have feelers out everywhere richard and all i
get back from all of them is "yes, hey brother, this one's
really
real. and it's really big. and it's really going to break.
and it's
really being controlled right now" that's what i get.
rch: well the reason it's relevant is because, if we're
looking, and
by the way you know the dates he floated by me tonight, and we know
they don't know because they don't have the background to
really do
the dating, i mean you can't date stone, you can't date
metal.
ab: right.
rch: so you have to date things like organics. they're
estimating,
this is going to blow your socks off art, their estimating that this
stuff down there, a half-mile below off cuba, below the surface of
the ocean is 50,000 years old. i'm betting it's closer to
?
ab: richard, how would you imagine it got down that far, because we
all know since the last ice age you could account for maybe 900 feet.
rch: exactly.
ab: 300 feet, i'm sorry, at best, in change of ocean levels. so
here
we have something down a half a mile that may represent a whole
ancient city and the 64 gazillion dollar question is, how it could be
possible, what, even at 50,000 years of whatever age, it could have
gone down that far. absolutely, it's just flat-out impossible.
don't
answer until after the break.
rch: ok. can do.
ab: how could it have gotten down that far? something really big had
to have happened. something that we have no particular reference
for. maybe in the exploration, maybe national geographic and others
who are looking will find out exactly what did happen. i think
richard has his own ideas about how it may have happened.
section 4
begins approx: 2:33
[following break they go into something to do with anthrax remedy,
called nano-bomb and the resignation of dan goldin from nasa,
upcoming mars analysis, didn't continue with line of thought in
previous section]
section 5
beings approx: 3:33
rch: the key of course it's what's the dating. [referring to
ruins
off coast of cuba] the guys i'm talking to were plugged in to,
they
were saying 50,000. but i bet it's going to come out closer to
13,000?
which is a whole other show.
ab: he he, yea it sure is.
rch: ha.