David Wilcock
10-18-2001, 02:20 PM
"the fact remains, however, that very specific ?proving? evidence has
clearly been identified and confirmed; but still it can?t happen and won?t
happen until people are finally ready to receive that it has! you may say:
?identified and confirmed by whom? we haven?t seen any ?proving? evidence!?
duhhh, that?s the point! the scott stones explorers identified it, and you
haven?t seen it! we?re just sorry that it took more than three and a half
years to prove the point!" -- aaron duval, 3/20/01
dear pat and group,
sorry to take the devil's advocate position here, but when a person is
asserting claims such as this, if it were a hoax then that is a very serious
offense to truth as we all know it and search for it. there was an atlantis
and the artifacts already do exist, in plain sight - consider munck's work
on the code and how it manifests in the already-existent worldwide
megalithic architectures. only a highly advanced civilization could have
conducted such precise work.
he who would present such information must be subjected to scrutiny.
therefore in this letter i'll be making a specific analysis of duval's
claims and of his own personality as expressed through the writing. my
criticisms of his personal character come out of a feeling of importance
that we explore all avenues of this story to determine which is truth and
which is fiction.
at some point, someone will undoubtedly end up forwarding this to duval even
if i don't put it on my website... and all i can say is that these words are
not intended to hurt or humiliate, merely to examine. i can't say that i'm
sorry, because all we have had for five years is promises. if there is any
truth to this story then the "explorers" have already irreparably shattered
their credibility through the actions of their spokesperson.
these are exactly the type of statements that duval's writings say that they
expect to receive - thus any intelligent criticism of the work is "built in"
to the press releases as "proof" that it is real. after five years and
ever-increasingly fantastic promises, the game is wearing thin.
i did take excerpts of duval's writing, without written permission, and
posted it in shift of the ages since they were press releases for the
general public without copyrights or restrictions. intuitively i felt that
he was telling the truth - but the possible psychic data came at a time when
i was greener than i am at present, and the data could have been molded by
my strong desire for the information to be true. i've never assumed 100%
accuracy, since even the best remote viewer in the world, joe mcmoneagle,
expects a significant error ratio.
http://www.andrewcollins.net/page/articles/stones.htm
for starters, definitely read the above article. it details the extensive
contact with duval that collins had, the evasiveness and deception that
duval demonstrated and the successful debunking of what did initially appear
to be "atlantean" granite blocks as recently quarried stones with modern
drill holes. it also details how duval was pursuing an avenue of "proof"
regarding "atlantean mortar" that was never even mentioned in the press
releases.
then read the updates. some of it is very interesting. other, sizable parts
of it are utterly childish and exasperating. all throughout, it is riddled
with basic errors in the written english language, despite the frequent use
of "big words." no one should be criticized for having learning
disabilities, physical conditions and / an education that would leave them
maligning spelling, grammar, puncutation and language use, but we see this
redundantly in every update. most others reading this should have no trouble
seeing, what i mean. (hint.)
then consider the fact that the included words of the purported "explorers",
who are supposed to be separate people from duval, also contain shockingly
obvious, redundant mistakes in grammar and punctuation that are consistent
with duval's other writings. do all these people have the exact same
spelling and grammar difficulties, (which any spell-checker would catch,) or
are we led to believe that the explorers provided an audio statement that
duval had to transcribe, even though it is not indicated as anything but a
written statement? the obvious conclusion is that all the writings are from
the same person.
arguably for reasons such as the above, one of the best scholars out there
on atlantis, david hatcher childress, also concluded that duval was a
hoaxer, but did not elaborate:
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/mandalaoflight/articles/summer00/atlantis.htm
"mol: a few years ago, aaron duval claimed to have discovered and decoded
ancient records of atlantis inscribed in stones found near bimini. do you
think aaron duval will release his findings about the scott stones as
promised or is he holding an empty bag?
dhc: the scott stones appear to be a hoax." ---
and that was all childress would say. no one has had the "smoking gun" to
disprove the entire thing yet, hence childress' use of the word "appear,"
but unfortunately it is looking more and more like that all the time.
one weird thing was that i contacted duval myself by email, didn't receive a
response for a very long time, then literally after almost an entire year i
got a reply, which said that he had an extended sickness that prevented him
from answering any emails. (i think i wrote him in january 99 and got a
response in december.) i found it very odd that he would be chasing a lead
that was that old - it had a definite feeling of desperation to it, as if no
one at all had been contacting him all year.
so, not to be mean but it is possible that the "sickness" was a
disappointment in the fact that so little people seemed to do anything about
his grandiose claims, and / or the disillusionment of getting fired from the
miami museum of science, if in fact he ever did work there in the first
place.
in my immediate return letter, i strongly and forthrightly encouraged him to
put this information out there due to its urgent timeliness and importance.
i definitely "kicked his butt" to a certain degree with the intensity of the
words, which were very intelligent and compassionate but also said, "it is
utterly imperative that you circulate more of this information to the
public, even if just the transcripts of some of the atlantean writings that
you decoded."
i felt that if he stood behind such a massive body of evidence, he would
appreciate the honesty, time and effort that i put into the letter. i never
received a response. i wanted anything, any slight little piece of proof, in
order to show me that there was something going on. had i gotten it, i would
have wholly supported him with my expanding media coverage.
his updates mentioned "dimensional shifts in time" that were written in the
"decoded atlantean texts," after he would have already had a chance to read
the first version of convergence, "the 1999 cycle." naturally, my first
response was to be delighted that someone seemed to have validated my own
data - but it could be the other way around. since then he has sent me some
of the updates by email and not others. the last one was from march of this
year as i posted it here, but there have been two more since then. so why
did i get closed out of the loop?
there is the question of duval having worked with miami museum of science
"egyptology society" (even though it's supposedly a marine museum) and now
he's no longer there and they've broken off all contact with him. the story
behind that still needs to be addressed - why would they apparently fire him
if he was sitting on such a hot story? or did they know the truth and just
didn't want to get involved, refusing to make any public statements?
the most significant "verifiable" information that he put out earlier this
year, in an "embargoed press release from 1999" was regarding wingate, and
as we can see, andrew collins' article has all of that "tantalizing"
information plus the fact that collins went to the site himself and surveyed
the evidence, concluding that there was nothing atlantean about it. (and
furthermore, why go to all that trouble in 1999 only to hold it back at the
last minute?)
since the "embargoed" press release didn't actually come out until earlier
this year, collins' article clearly came out first. thus, the wingate
information that duval cited seems to have come directly out of collins'
refutation article, which can immediately be found online by doing a search
on "scott stones hoax duval." this could be a clear example of duval letting
the "peering public" do the work for him. it is the only other link on the
net about it with any substance besides for childress' statement and a brief
statement on keelynet.
thus, the fact is that all these bold claims are made, with the injunction
for others to submit their own information to see if it "matches" the
claims. such injunctions may in fact be fact-digging for further data to put
out in the "updates." here is an example, where duval discusses the three
matching sets of records referred to in the cayce readings:
"**if** there is anyone else (or any other group) who knows the exact
locations of these three sets of matching records (in the bimini area,
egypt, and the yucatan area), *and* who knows the exact location of the
hidden entrance to the so called 'hall of records'; *and* if there is anyone
else who has found actual tangible evidence of atlantis which includes
ancient maps, calendars, clay artifacts, etc.,
-- *and* has the confidence to also make such claims,
**then** let them stand up, now!
"we have the evidence - hard, tangible, irrefutable evidence - and can
produce the proof! *so*, if there is anyone else who also thinks he has
found this evidence:
then let him ** say so now ** !!"
so the idea is, "i'll show you mine if you show me yours first." it would
certainly be something for any group of researchers to have come up with all
of that... and if any of it fit duval's satisfaction, then he could work
that into his data. that might have been what he was searching for in
contacting me in december 99 - a brain to pick.
so here is the next issue. why would anyone want to be in contact with such
a negative person? name one other press source that would devote this much
time to bashing the work and credibility of others, all without ever naming
who these people are.
the single biggest deterrent to the whole thing is that an inordinate amount
of writing space is devoted to, in some cases, blatantly arrogant and
self-aggrandizing statements that appear very childish and detract from the
strength of the message. reading the articles takes you very high and very
low, which could well be typical of a person who for whatever reason has had
the initiative to keep a hoax alive for this long.
we've been through some incredible hoaxes over the course of the art bell
program since i started listening in 1996, and they never cease to amaze me.
these people are so convincing, and in the end it seems that they all did it
because they want attention. if they don't provide scientific proof but just
spin wild stories, you must not let them rook you. i'm even considering
removing the duval section of sota now because of the value of hindsight
after reading collins' article and rethinking all of this.
there's definitely an element of "messiah complex" in all of this. the
hoaxer wants to use his imagination to be the self-appointed most important
person on earth. i remember that in one of duval's updates he said that the
"three explorers" who found "a hall of records in egypt but different from
the one referred to by cayce" discovered that all of their names were listed
in the room. this is precisely what cayce said in his readings about those
who would find the hall of records - and these would arguably be among the
most important figures in all of human history.
the motivation here all stems back to that ever-present original wound - the
mostly subconscious illusory perception of being abandoned by god and
separate from god. so many people read a few books or get a few mystical
experiences and think that this entitles them to be the next jesus christ.
and i often get solicited with proposals, requests, et cetera from people of
this nature. i always tell people that no one person is above or below
anyone else, and that this is a team effort that we can all claim together.
the "second coming of christ" is the reunion of the ego mind with the
missing christ self that is only found within, and it is occurring within
many of us on earth at this time.
the turmoil exhibited by the amount of ego in duval's writing could be a
clear indication of the type of person who would want to promote a hoax in
order to raise his own self-esteem and feel important, even amongst a
strange, bitter love-hate relationship with the edgar cayce readings. this
could all come out of a situation where on the one hand the person believes
the atlantean data, but on the other hand they have had no personal
experience with psychic ability and therefore are inclined to disbelieve its
existence.
regarding cayce, the writings have a shockingly passive-aggressive stance.
on the one hand, in a recent update, duval thanks all those who have helped
to bring out the proof for atlantis to the public, but then in so many other
cases he rudely attacks all who believe in metaphysical ideas, maligning
those who follow the cayce work (which supposedly his data verifies in an
unbelievably redundant number of ways) with the following sentence:
"we have made it clear that those carrying out the scott stones research are
not involved with the cayce people, nor are they advocates of a mellifluent
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of many."
elsewhere he posts a rude series of name-calling quotes as follows, typical
of a schoolyard bully:
"for many, mr. trance's word is the end all and be all on this subject..."
(the proper expression is "be all and end all," incidentally.)
"...a paradigm that is too focused on a man who slept on his couch in the
1930's..."
and further along, after other words where "c" is replaced with "k" to add a
sort of soviet communist type satire:
"8 - trance man reinkarnates before an astonished assembly of doubters! they
say 'if you give the devil enough rope, he'll hang himself.' a little
humour, involving some of the insider-jokes; to lighten the atmosphere
surrounding what should be a joyous occasion..."
now with the perspective of time and patience, i see that this "insider
joke" about the "reinkarnation" of "mr. trance" was most likely directed at
me and the contacts i had with him. this may be why he called me "the devil"
for the way i challenged him in my letter, even though i never mentioned any
of the reincarnation data about myself directly in any correspondence with
him.
so that's the aggressive side. now for the passive: despite these huge
attacks on cayce and those interested in his work, he also says, "and, as
for cayce, specifically: we can only marvel at his prophetic
predilections -? we make no attempt to explain them."
after reading collins' article, there are clearly several "insider jokes"
that duval wrote, basically for his own ego gratification, which seem to
obviously attack andrew collins directly. you need to read the article to
understand the context, as collins said that one person who "looked like an
extra from the village people" said that some of the most enigmatic stones
had disappeared:
"there have also been reports of the stones of atlantis disappearing. but
some of the locals who were struck by hurricane andrew are saying that this
story was merely concoxted by persons who were goaded into changing their
tune...
and here are numbers 2, 4 and 5 from duval's list of "insider jokes,"
basically his public attacks on those who challenged him to provide proof.
each of these could refer specifically to collins:
"2 - johnny-come-latelies claiming that atlantis is not atlantis!...
4 - glory-seekers exasperated over exacerbating disclosures!
5 - paid-spy plans new psychological profile, while the world waits with
bated breath!"
you can tell from this, since collins believes that atlantis is a "small
island" that is not anywhere near bimini, that duval considered collins as
the "paid spy" that he is referring to. collins made mention of duval's
extreme paranoia in meeting with him - he would only do it in the lobby of
collins' hotel. this may have been the only person in the field that duval
ever really had this much interaction with, as it was back when duval still
had a phone number posted. i remember calling it, getting an answering
machine and never having the call returned.
this has gone on since apparently 1996, five years now, with not one shred
of evidence, not even a photograph, ever presented anywhere. and the quote i
posted at the beginning of this article, using the most ridiculous
tautological reasoning, is supposed to be "proof." "you say i don't have the
proof but i do have the proof, so i just proved to the world that i do have
the proof. see what an idiot you are?"
the idea of showing artifacts to a few "secret" members of the "peeping
peering public people" is fine, but who are these people, where are they,
and what did they see? in five years' time someone could certainly put
together a hoaxed set of "artifacts" for display. i myself wasn't willing to
spend the money to go down there to see some carved pieces of stone or
something of such nature.
frankly i've now been put over the top of the disbelief curve. the research
of dr. paul laviolette seems to indicate that plato's atlantis is actually a
description of an aetheric energy flow and was never meant to be a physical
indication of a body of land - yet now they've supposedly found that, too.
it seems that duval is just poring over the data over and over, trying to
carefully amp up the sensationalism higher and higher, eventually hoping to
be mobbed with press and microphones in his face. and it will probably never
happen.
it was also a bit too contrived sounding that the three main explorers all
were of different races and religious faiths - sort of like the corporate
websites that have to have at least one asian, one black and one caucasian
in their photographs:
"as for the explorers, themselves: to start with, there were three -- one
from africa, of muslim background; one from asia, of hindu/buddhist
background; and one from america, of judeo-christian background."
what a dramatic synchronicity this would have to be - the three biggest
continents, races and religions all represented right from the get-go.
now for contrast, there was indeed a team of researchers, led by a woman,
who did work off the coast of cuba, and were published in international
media earlier this year including msnbc. i posted this data to the group
before. they seem to have found "the real thing" and they didn't hesitate to
say where they had observed it and what it essentially looked like. they
described a vast flat plain of white sand, city-like architecture and yes,
pyramids. this hadn't been seen before because they were the first to get
permission from cuba to make advanced measurements off the coast - exactly
where cayce said poseidia would be.
they promised more by the end of the summer and of course we're well past
that now. they could well have been silenced, but that might be a better
lead to chase at this point.
collins' contention that duval would have turned down a seven-figure (!)
book contract makes the entire account very highly suspect. always duval has
asked for massive funding to "protect the ruins," even though it appears
that they are simply a set of granite blocks on the miami shoreline. even
one million dollars would be way more than enough to hire the best
grant-writers to get millions more. hence, this initial grant could easily
have been a stepping-stone to get ample amounts of funding for site
protection. more likely, it was the fear of a lawsuit that stopped it.
furthermore, duval canceled his press conference after this offer came
through. perhaps he realized that the "evidence" that he had put together
would be too easily torn to pieces and it could blow the whole thing. so
better to cancel the press conference (due to "threats" from the secret govt
about all this, which sounds convincing to some) and let the big book offer
die in silence.
here's more:
"still others have simply chosen to completely rewrite our press releases;
adding their own mendacious misperceptions, while falsely accusing us of
canceling numerous press conferences ~ a bold and blatant lie! we have
never called nor cancelled a single press conference."
now i did take snippets of duval's fantasies and put them in sota,
implicating them as context with my other theories - which duval may have
considered "mendacious (violent) misperceptions." we already know how much
he despises anything metaphysical.
then, there is absolutely no doubt that duval had scheduled a press
conference and then canceled it without further notice. collins documented
this, as did i. and now, in the most recent updates he says that this never
happened, as we see above. i certainly remember getting the emails about the
event and was extremely, almost unbearably excited about it - and i believe
laura lee covered it as well. it was a tremendous disappointment to the
entire community when the conference was canceled.
frankly it doesn't look so good. imagination can conjure up some
wonderful-sounding stuff, to be sure, but without proof there's nothing else
to go on. i'm also reminded of the importance of projection:
"look to the projections and there you will find the issues of the
individual." - dr. fritz perls.
that which people accuse others of is a reflection of their own subconscious
issues with themselves. therefore, duval's incessant all-encompassing
attacks on this field and those who support it could certainly be an inner
reflection of his own lack of self-acceptance, and the bitter war within
himself as he continues waging an all-out campaign of lies for the hope of
public glorification that has still never arrived after five years of
effort.
what we may have is a man disappointed, who has concocted a great story in
his mind and has never gotten any real media exposure or ego gratification
from it, running the whole game off of a free hotmail address. never has it
been explained why du val is the sole spokesperson for said "dr. scott."
(we've never gotten a first name.) at one time i thought du val said that
dr. scott was dead, since he wrote that their effors were "in honor of dr.
scott," but more recent press releases said that he was still alive.
so let's say that he is still alive. why would someone with a ph.d., and /
or the scientifically educated team that came after him, appoint a
spokesperson who rants with unbelievable pride and ego, makes such
embarrassing spelling mistakes and other gaffes, and now is lying about
whether or not he ever called a press conference?
"witless glory seekers" indeed.
peace be with you -
- david
clearly been identified and confirmed; but still it can?t happen and won?t
happen until people are finally ready to receive that it has! you may say:
?identified and confirmed by whom? we haven?t seen any ?proving? evidence!?
duhhh, that?s the point! the scott stones explorers identified it, and you
haven?t seen it! we?re just sorry that it took more than three and a half
years to prove the point!" -- aaron duval, 3/20/01
dear pat and group,
sorry to take the devil's advocate position here, but when a person is
asserting claims such as this, if it were a hoax then that is a very serious
offense to truth as we all know it and search for it. there was an atlantis
and the artifacts already do exist, in plain sight - consider munck's work
on the code and how it manifests in the already-existent worldwide
megalithic architectures. only a highly advanced civilization could have
conducted such precise work.
he who would present such information must be subjected to scrutiny.
therefore in this letter i'll be making a specific analysis of duval's
claims and of his own personality as expressed through the writing. my
criticisms of his personal character come out of a feeling of importance
that we explore all avenues of this story to determine which is truth and
which is fiction.
at some point, someone will undoubtedly end up forwarding this to duval even
if i don't put it on my website... and all i can say is that these words are
not intended to hurt or humiliate, merely to examine. i can't say that i'm
sorry, because all we have had for five years is promises. if there is any
truth to this story then the "explorers" have already irreparably shattered
their credibility through the actions of their spokesperson.
these are exactly the type of statements that duval's writings say that they
expect to receive - thus any intelligent criticism of the work is "built in"
to the press releases as "proof" that it is real. after five years and
ever-increasingly fantastic promises, the game is wearing thin.
i did take excerpts of duval's writing, without written permission, and
posted it in shift of the ages since they were press releases for the
general public without copyrights or restrictions. intuitively i felt that
he was telling the truth - but the possible psychic data came at a time when
i was greener than i am at present, and the data could have been molded by
my strong desire for the information to be true. i've never assumed 100%
accuracy, since even the best remote viewer in the world, joe mcmoneagle,
expects a significant error ratio.
http://www.andrewcollins.net/page/articles/stones.htm
for starters, definitely read the above article. it details the extensive
contact with duval that collins had, the evasiveness and deception that
duval demonstrated and the successful debunking of what did initially appear
to be "atlantean" granite blocks as recently quarried stones with modern
drill holes. it also details how duval was pursuing an avenue of "proof"
regarding "atlantean mortar" that was never even mentioned in the press
releases.
then read the updates. some of it is very interesting. other, sizable parts
of it are utterly childish and exasperating. all throughout, it is riddled
with basic errors in the written english language, despite the frequent use
of "big words." no one should be criticized for having learning
disabilities, physical conditions and / an education that would leave them
maligning spelling, grammar, puncutation and language use, but we see this
redundantly in every update. most others reading this should have no trouble
seeing, what i mean. (hint.)
then consider the fact that the included words of the purported "explorers",
who are supposed to be separate people from duval, also contain shockingly
obvious, redundant mistakes in grammar and punctuation that are consistent
with duval's other writings. do all these people have the exact same
spelling and grammar difficulties, (which any spell-checker would catch,) or
are we led to believe that the explorers provided an audio statement that
duval had to transcribe, even though it is not indicated as anything but a
written statement? the obvious conclusion is that all the writings are from
the same person.
arguably for reasons such as the above, one of the best scholars out there
on atlantis, david hatcher childress, also concluded that duval was a
hoaxer, but did not elaborate:
http://www.angelfire.com/mt/mandalaoflight/articles/summer00/atlantis.htm
"mol: a few years ago, aaron duval claimed to have discovered and decoded
ancient records of atlantis inscribed in stones found near bimini. do you
think aaron duval will release his findings about the scott stones as
promised or is he holding an empty bag?
dhc: the scott stones appear to be a hoax." ---
and that was all childress would say. no one has had the "smoking gun" to
disprove the entire thing yet, hence childress' use of the word "appear,"
but unfortunately it is looking more and more like that all the time.
one weird thing was that i contacted duval myself by email, didn't receive a
response for a very long time, then literally after almost an entire year i
got a reply, which said that he had an extended sickness that prevented him
from answering any emails. (i think i wrote him in january 99 and got a
response in december.) i found it very odd that he would be chasing a lead
that was that old - it had a definite feeling of desperation to it, as if no
one at all had been contacting him all year.
so, not to be mean but it is possible that the "sickness" was a
disappointment in the fact that so little people seemed to do anything about
his grandiose claims, and / or the disillusionment of getting fired from the
miami museum of science, if in fact he ever did work there in the first
place.
in my immediate return letter, i strongly and forthrightly encouraged him to
put this information out there due to its urgent timeliness and importance.
i definitely "kicked his butt" to a certain degree with the intensity of the
words, which were very intelligent and compassionate but also said, "it is
utterly imperative that you circulate more of this information to the
public, even if just the transcripts of some of the atlantean writings that
you decoded."
i felt that if he stood behind such a massive body of evidence, he would
appreciate the honesty, time and effort that i put into the letter. i never
received a response. i wanted anything, any slight little piece of proof, in
order to show me that there was something going on. had i gotten it, i would
have wholly supported him with my expanding media coverage.
his updates mentioned "dimensional shifts in time" that were written in the
"decoded atlantean texts," after he would have already had a chance to read
the first version of convergence, "the 1999 cycle." naturally, my first
response was to be delighted that someone seemed to have validated my own
data - but it could be the other way around. since then he has sent me some
of the updates by email and not others. the last one was from march of this
year as i posted it here, but there have been two more since then. so why
did i get closed out of the loop?
there is the question of duval having worked with miami museum of science
"egyptology society" (even though it's supposedly a marine museum) and now
he's no longer there and they've broken off all contact with him. the story
behind that still needs to be addressed - why would they apparently fire him
if he was sitting on such a hot story? or did they know the truth and just
didn't want to get involved, refusing to make any public statements?
the most significant "verifiable" information that he put out earlier this
year, in an "embargoed press release from 1999" was regarding wingate, and
as we can see, andrew collins' article has all of that "tantalizing"
information plus the fact that collins went to the site himself and surveyed
the evidence, concluding that there was nothing atlantean about it. (and
furthermore, why go to all that trouble in 1999 only to hold it back at the
last minute?)
since the "embargoed" press release didn't actually come out until earlier
this year, collins' article clearly came out first. thus, the wingate
information that duval cited seems to have come directly out of collins'
refutation article, which can immediately be found online by doing a search
on "scott stones hoax duval." this could be a clear example of duval letting
the "peering public" do the work for him. it is the only other link on the
net about it with any substance besides for childress' statement and a brief
statement on keelynet.
thus, the fact is that all these bold claims are made, with the injunction
for others to submit their own information to see if it "matches" the
claims. such injunctions may in fact be fact-digging for further data to put
out in the "updates." here is an example, where duval discusses the three
matching sets of records referred to in the cayce readings:
"**if** there is anyone else (or any other group) who knows the exact
locations of these three sets of matching records (in the bimini area,
egypt, and the yucatan area), *and* who knows the exact location of the
hidden entrance to the so called 'hall of records'; *and* if there is anyone
else who has found actual tangible evidence of atlantis which includes
ancient maps, calendars, clay artifacts, etc.,
-- *and* has the confidence to also make such claims,
**then** let them stand up, now!
"we have the evidence - hard, tangible, irrefutable evidence - and can
produce the proof! *so*, if there is anyone else who also thinks he has
found this evidence:
then let him ** say so now ** !!"
so the idea is, "i'll show you mine if you show me yours first." it would
certainly be something for any group of researchers to have come up with all
of that... and if any of it fit duval's satisfaction, then he could work
that into his data. that might have been what he was searching for in
contacting me in december 99 - a brain to pick.
so here is the next issue. why would anyone want to be in contact with such
a negative person? name one other press source that would devote this much
time to bashing the work and credibility of others, all without ever naming
who these people are.
the single biggest deterrent to the whole thing is that an inordinate amount
of writing space is devoted to, in some cases, blatantly arrogant and
self-aggrandizing statements that appear very childish and detract from the
strength of the message. reading the articles takes you very high and very
low, which could well be typical of a person who for whatever reason has had
the initiative to keep a hoax alive for this long.
we've been through some incredible hoaxes over the course of the art bell
program since i started listening in 1996, and they never cease to amaze me.
these people are so convincing, and in the end it seems that they all did it
because they want attention. if they don't provide scientific proof but just
spin wild stories, you must not let them rook you. i'm even considering
removing the duval section of sota now because of the value of hindsight
after reading collins' article and rethinking all of this.
there's definitely an element of "messiah complex" in all of this. the
hoaxer wants to use his imagination to be the self-appointed most important
person on earth. i remember that in one of duval's updates he said that the
"three explorers" who found "a hall of records in egypt but different from
the one referred to by cayce" discovered that all of their names were listed
in the room. this is precisely what cayce said in his readings about those
who would find the hall of records - and these would arguably be among the
most important figures in all of human history.
the motivation here all stems back to that ever-present original wound - the
mostly subconscious illusory perception of being abandoned by god and
separate from god. so many people read a few books or get a few mystical
experiences and think that this entitles them to be the next jesus christ.
and i often get solicited with proposals, requests, et cetera from people of
this nature. i always tell people that no one person is above or below
anyone else, and that this is a team effort that we can all claim together.
the "second coming of christ" is the reunion of the ego mind with the
missing christ self that is only found within, and it is occurring within
many of us on earth at this time.
the turmoil exhibited by the amount of ego in duval's writing could be a
clear indication of the type of person who would want to promote a hoax in
order to raise his own self-esteem and feel important, even amongst a
strange, bitter love-hate relationship with the edgar cayce readings. this
could all come out of a situation where on the one hand the person believes
the atlantean data, but on the other hand they have had no personal
experience with psychic ability and therefore are inclined to disbelieve its
existence.
regarding cayce, the writings have a shockingly passive-aggressive stance.
on the one hand, in a recent update, duval thanks all those who have helped
to bring out the proof for atlantis to the public, but then in so many other
cases he rudely attacks all who believe in metaphysical ideas, maligning
those who follow the cayce work (which supposedly his data verifies in an
unbelievably redundant number of ways) with the following sentence:
"we have made it clear that those carrying out the scott stones research are
not involved with the cayce people, nor are they advocates of a mellifluent
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elsewhere he posts a rude series of name-calling quotes as follows, typical
of a schoolyard bully:
"for many, mr. trance's word is the end all and be all on this subject..."
(the proper expression is "be all and end all," incidentally.)
"...a paradigm that is too focused on a man who slept on his couch in the
1930's..."
and further along, after other words where "c" is replaced with "k" to add a
sort of soviet communist type satire:
"8 - trance man reinkarnates before an astonished assembly of doubters! they
say 'if you give the devil enough rope, he'll hang himself.' a little
humour, involving some of the insider-jokes; to lighten the atmosphere
surrounding what should be a joyous occasion..."
now with the perspective of time and patience, i see that this "insider
joke" about the "reinkarnation" of "mr. trance" was most likely directed at
me and the contacts i had with him. this may be why he called me "the devil"
for the way i challenged him in my letter, even though i never mentioned any
of the reincarnation data about myself directly in any correspondence with
him.
so that's the aggressive side. now for the passive: despite these huge
attacks on cayce and those interested in his work, he also says, "and, as
for cayce, specifically: we can only marvel at his prophetic
predilections -? we make no attempt to explain them."
after reading collins' article, there are clearly several "insider jokes"
that duval wrote, basically for his own ego gratification, which seem to
obviously attack andrew collins directly. you need to read the article to
understand the context, as collins said that one person who "looked like an
extra from the village people" said that some of the most enigmatic stones
had disappeared:
"there have also been reports of the stones of atlantis disappearing. but
some of the locals who were struck by hurricane andrew are saying that this
story was merely concoxted by persons who were goaded into changing their
tune...
and here are numbers 2, 4 and 5 from duval's list of "insider jokes,"
basically his public attacks on those who challenged him to provide proof.
each of these could refer specifically to collins:
"2 - johnny-come-latelies claiming that atlantis is not atlantis!...
4 - glory-seekers exasperated over exacerbating disclosures!
5 - paid-spy plans new psychological profile, while the world waits with
bated breath!"
you can tell from this, since collins believes that atlantis is a "small
island" that is not anywhere near bimini, that duval considered collins as
the "paid spy" that he is referring to. collins made mention of duval's
extreme paranoia in meeting with him - he would only do it in the lobby of
collins' hotel. this may have been the only person in the field that duval
ever really had this much interaction with, as it was back when duval still
had a phone number posted. i remember calling it, getting an answering
machine and never having the call returned.
this has gone on since apparently 1996, five years now, with not one shred
of evidence, not even a photograph, ever presented anywhere. and the quote i
posted at the beginning of this article, using the most ridiculous
tautological reasoning, is supposed to be "proof." "you say i don't have the
proof but i do have the proof, so i just proved to the world that i do have
the proof. see what an idiot you are?"
the idea of showing artifacts to a few "secret" members of the "peeping
peering public people" is fine, but who are these people, where are they,
and what did they see? in five years' time someone could certainly put
together a hoaxed set of "artifacts" for display. i myself wasn't willing to
spend the money to go down there to see some carved pieces of stone or
something of such nature.
frankly i've now been put over the top of the disbelief curve. the research
of dr. paul laviolette seems to indicate that plato's atlantis is actually a
description of an aetheric energy flow and was never meant to be a physical
indication of a body of land - yet now they've supposedly found that, too.
it seems that duval is just poring over the data over and over, trying to
carefully amp up the sensationalism higher and higher, eventually hoping to
be mobbed with press and microphones in his face. and it will probably never
happen.
it was also a bit too contrived sounding that the three main explorers all
were of different races and religious faiths - sort of like the corporate
websites that have to have at least one asian, one black and one caucasian
in their photographs:
"as for the explorers, themselves: to start with, there were three -- one
from africa, of muslim background; one from asia, of hindu/buddhist
background; and one from america, of judeo-christian background."
what a dramatic synchronicity this would have to be - the three biggest
continents, races and religions all represented right from the get-go.
now for contrast, there was indeed a team of researchers, led by a woman,
who did work off the coast of cuba, and were published in international
media earlier this year including msnbc. i posted this data to the group
before. they seem to have found "the real thing" and they didn't hesitate to
say where they had observed it and what it essentially looked like. they
described a vast flat plain of white sand, city-like architecture and yes,
pyramids. this hadn't been seen before because they were the first to get
permission from cuba to make advanced measurements off the coast - exactly
where cayce said poseidia would be.
they promised more by the end of the summer and of course we're well past
that now. they could well have been silenced, but that might be a better
lead to chase at this point.
collins' contention that duval would have turned down a seven-figure (!)
book contract makes the entire account very highly suspect. always duval has
asked for massive funding to "protect the ruins," even though it appears
that they are simply a set of granite blocks on the miami shoreline. even
one million dollars would be way more than enough to hire the best
grant-writers to get millions more. hence, this initial grant could easily
have been a stepping-stone to get ample amounts of funding for site
protection. more likely, it was the fear of a lawsuit that stopped it.
furthermore, duval canceled his press conference after this offer came
through. perhaps he realized that the "evidence" that he had put together
would be too easily torn to pieces and it could blow the whole thing. so
better to cancel the press conference (due to "threats" from the secret govt
about all this, which sounds convincing to some) and let the big book offer
die in silence.
here's more:
"still others have simply chosen to completely rewrite our press releases;
adding their own mendacious misperceptions, while falsely accusing us of
canceling numerous press conferences ~ a bold and blatant lie! we have
never called nor cancelled a single press conference."
now i did take snippets of duval's fantasies and put them in sota,
implicating them as context with my other theories - which duval may have
considered "mendacious (violent) misperceptions." we already know how much
he despises anything metaphysical.
then, there is absolutely no doubt that duval had scheduled a press
conference and then canceled it without further notice. collins documented
this, as did i. and now, in the most recent updates he says that this never
happened, as we see above. i certainly remember getting the emails about the
event and was extremely, almost unbearably excited about it - and i believe
laura lee covered it as well. it was a tremendous disappointment to the
entire community when the conference was canceled.
frankly it doesn't look so good. imagination can conjure up some
wonderful-sounding stuff, to be sure, but without proof there's nothing else
to go on. i'm also reminded of the importance of projection:
"look to the projections and there you will find the issues of the
individual." - dr. fritz perls.
that which people accuse others of is a reflection of their own subconscious
issues with themselves. therefore, duval's incessant all-encompassing
attacks on this field and those who support it could certainly be an inner
reflection of his own lack of self-acceptance, and the bitter war within
himself as he continues waging an all-out campaign of lies for the hope of
public glorification that has still never arrived after five years of
effort.
what we may have is a man disappointed, who has concocted a great story in
his mind and has never gotten any real media exposure or ego gratification
from it, running the whole game off of a free hotmail address. never has it
been explained why du val is the sole spokesperson for said "dr. scott."
(we've never gotten a first name.) at one time i thought du val said that
dr. scott was dead, since he wrote that their effors were "in honor of dr.
scott," but more recent press releases said that he was still alive.
so let's say that he is still alive. why would someone with a ph.d., and /
or the scientifically educated team that came after him, appoint a
spokesperson who rants with unbelievable pride and ego, makes such
embarrassing spelling mistakes and other gaffes, and now is lying about
whether or not he ever called a press conference?
"witless glory seekers" indeed.
peace be with you -
- david