ancient Egypt question

[Michael Abrient]

i was wondering-- ra ta and thoth performed healing on the entities from
early atlantis who had incarnated too deeply into the material as
human-animal beings. so, how did thoth (for those playing at home, thoth/
hermes/ amilius/ adam/ jesus) wind up having an ibis bird head?

and, david has made the case egyptian gods were inspired by pre-dynastic,
real life people, like ra ta, thoth, isris. so i was curious if anyone knew
of other sources that revealed more of who the other players were and how
they became part of the myth-- like who was osiris, who was set, horus,
anubis, etc.

be well,
a


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[mario_leme2]

i have been seeing quite a lot of such questionings, lately, and that
has got me thinking...

why do we have to keep on searching for knowledge, all the time? why
is it that we cannot simply be satisfied about what is?

the catch 22 of questioning about anything the existence of god (or
anytthing even remotely co-related) is that it is directed more to the
way such a force is seen, perceived (i.e. a subjective perspective),
rather than directed by the objective perception that such a force is
everything that there is, and to what there is there needs to be no
explanation whatsoever, for that is like having an object searching
for its own self!

this concept i have just presented is so utterly simple discussions
about the existence of one single element as the sole creative force
of the universe fails my comprehension, simply because this is the way
i see it: the universe is god!

and we're as much a part of it as anything, everything, everywhere!

we're not special, not at all. not more than the next thing, whatever
that thing may be, however small or insignficant it might be considered.

so not believing in what there is would be just like not believeing in
oureselves, wouldn't it?

what is does not need proof of existence at all, once it clearly is.

and its recognized existence, in itself, does not require anything to
be proven as a fact.

it needs absolutely no explanation for the means of its creation,
which is utterly irrelevant to its posterior existence as a fact!

for the life of me, it fails my understanding that man keeps on
searching and searching and discussing about what is right under his
nose: creation, whatever way it might have been conceived, is the true
essence of divinity, we're all parts of god, like bit and bytes on a
huge program's system.

so i guess we'd better start believing in ourselves a bit more
fervently, cease looking for what we are and just be.

[Nina]

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> so, how did thoth wind up having an ibis bird head?
> they became part of the myth-- like who was osiris, who was set,
horus, anubis, etc.
dear michael,
best academia found is fr walter scott/forward to "hermetica"/could
be repeating what david shared:
"..parallels to cayce story in legend of horus and set.. according to
the myth, osiris, the god of the dead, was once king of egypt. he was
overthrown by usurper- set (his brother), who claimed the throne for
himself. in this he was challenged by isis, wife of osiris, who said
her son horus should now become king. set challenged horus to combat
and the matter was brought to the attention of re, the sun god. he
favored set as the most senior claimant but most of the other gods
favored horus. eventually after a long struggle, the gods appealed to
osiris himself who declared horus the rightful heir, though set
retained some powers as the god of winds and storm. this in outline
is the story, though it has many elaborations with mythological
elements..
if we compare with cayce story,...this king arart is to be identified
with osiris(greek version as-ar, not very dif fr arart). the usurper
in story is the set of the myth. according to cayce, he was native
egyptian, which might explain re's support for him. egyptians
regarded set as being an ethiopian,.. black, would fit in well
w/cayce.yet in myth , he is brother of osiris, horus's uncle.how
could this bve if different race? answer given by cayce, set was
adopted into royal famly to put end to rebellion and re-establish
unity between the peoples."
still he quotes cayce readings: "...many of atlanteans were good
people intent on bringing their knowledge to egypt...however, there
were others who were intent on making slaves out of the earlier
egyptians, both black and white. there's was the opposite of the rule
of law or maat which disappeared for a short period with seth's
supremecy, egyptian mythology makes much of how horus(araaraat)re-
established maat as the basis of life and this was never again
forgotten. this then led to golden age of unity in egypt."
howard church details cast of characters around cayce in "many happy
returns"
about ibis head:
"in all of this thoth(hermes) has a prominent place as the vizier of
re and the protector of osiris. he is usually depicted with an ibis
head, which suggests that he comes originally from the delta region
(fifteenth lower egyptian nome has the ibis as its emblem). according
to the legends, it was thoth who persuaded the two warring factions
of horus and set to submit to the arbitration of the gods."
have "egyptian myths and mysteries " by rudolf steiner and his
picture is complex.(cosmic evolution)
one easier element to report is his comment about the faculty of
intelligence,"if today we examine a person in whom a well-formed
ability for judging and combining is present, if we examine such a
person clairvoyantly,we find a strong expression and reflection of
this fact in a green glittering and shining of the astral body, of
the astral aura... today this is still the color that glitters in the
aura when a persons intelligence is stirred. (note - to see pictures
of the green osiris, see osiris and the egyptian resurrection by
budge.)
will share more about his view how each man must change himself into
an osiris,if interested! nina

[Pi]

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> so, how did thoth (for those playing at home, thoth/ hermes/ amilius/
adam/ jesus) wind up having an ibis bird head?

pi: the paintings of beings with features of human and animal limbs are
actual representations of life forms that existed. in adition to thoth
(and perhaps the sphinx!), 'we' had amphibious features, such as the
human torso-fish's tail of some paintings. the great pyramid functioned
to make a uniform body of such beings. i'm sure that either ec or ra
stated the preceding but can't find specific source this moment.

> so i was curious if anyone knew of other sources that revealed more of
who the other players were and how they became part of the myth-- like
who was osiris, who was set, horus, anubis, etc.

pi: the story of osiris prevails among every culture on earth. it's a
mythological representation of a tragic aspect of human experience. see
llresearch channeling dated 4/19/81, comment by latwii.
peace & love.

[Nina]

michael,
researched further!
in ancient egyptian mysticism, van auken has chapter on gods and
metaphor. wrote:'hermes is most often depicted as a powerful god with
an ibis head. the ibis is a bird who lives on the shore between the two
worlds of the deep water and the land. the two worlds are emblematic of
the subconscious and conscious minds. the power to live between the two
is seen as important to living the true life. another little
characteristic of the ibis is that it is one of the few birds that can
eat the serpent. again, another important metaphor for the developing
godlings is to recognize the need to control their lower, self-seeking
urges if they are to reunite with the creator and their opriginal
purpose."
about anubius, "when one has taken a long journey away from home, then
one needs help. anubius, the jackal-headed god is the symbol of that
help. the jackal can pick up the scent of the trail traversed to get
there, and therefore, the way home. at every death scene in ancient
egypt, anubius is depicted. he is the sixth sense that recalls the way
home."
relays: "osiris is the original perfect one. isis is the mind and will
that resurrects him in the seed of the womb of her consciousness. horus
is the heir, always symbolized in the same manner as ra because he
represents the living manifestation of ra (as did osiris) and the heir
to ra's creation. set represents the deceiver, the ego, the self-
seeking aspect of every person. it destroys the perfect osiris,
wrestles with the struggling isis(mind and will) and poisons the
growing horus. but, enduring,horus becomes the messiah that overcomes
set's influence, forever - with a little help from haeven (in the form
of thoth/hermes and the boat of father ra.)"
jeremy nadyler has an excellent book,"shamanic wisdom in the pyramid
texts:the mystical traditions of ancient egypt.(earlier work/ "temple
of the cosmos"). fr bk cover:"until now, the pyramid texts have been
viewed primarily as royal funerary texts that were used in the liturgy
of the dead pharoah or to aid him in his afterlife journey. jn argues
that they are mystical texts that speak of the experiences not of the
dead but of the living king. gives example of "horus who is in osiris".
fr steiner re- animal heads. (lemurian times)"at that time the etheric
was not yet humanlike in its form. in their etheric body, humans beings
were still similar to the animals...the divine beings who were
connected with the earth during the departure of the sun and moon, who
were on the earth, had to take on a form that was possible at the time,
an animal-like form. and since the egyptian religion views present in a
certain way a recapitualtion of the lemurian time, the egyptian
initiate looked upon the gods, osiris and isis for example, as having
animal-like forms. he still saw the higher gods with animal-like heads.
therefore from an occult view it was quite correct when such forms
were represented with the head of a hawk or a ram in accordance with
what the initiates knew....modern people may laugh over the forms that
were represented, but they do not know how realistic they were."nina
(much more to contemplate meaning of!)

[M.W.]

hi, mario

tangential thoughts that came to me.

you make some interesting points, but although
it is axiomatic that the cosmos is god the
reverse is not true, in that god is (merely)
the visable and invisible cosmos.

it has been stated that the intellectual facility
of mankind is not all that important in the higher
scheme of things, but the mere striving for values
outside of our immediate comprehension may have
some transcendent value. if you remember from
the ra material, civilizations that did not have
the veil of forgetfulness, and thus realized their
absolute connnection with the one creator, were
said to be harvesting flops...their lives were
characterized by spiritual lassitude, taking
all for granted -- or that is the impression
i came away with.

so,it seems that the veil of forgetfulness and
law of confusion are there to as obstacles to
overcome, and in addressing this task we build
our spiritual character...either negative of
positive polarity -- and as you said, all
aspects of the cosmos, from the micro to the
macro, have a common,intrinsic value.

best, etc. billious g -- former slave in lower
egypt ...or maybe it was pharaoh? memory is
a bit hazy. (:>)


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>
> why do we have to keep on searching for knowledge, all the time? why
> is it that we cannot simply be satisfied about what is?
>
> >
> this concept i have just presented is so utterly simple discussions
> about the existence of one single element as the sole creative force
> of the universe fails my comprehension, simply because this is the way
> i see it: the universe is god!
>

[darrel clark]

without trying to be disputive-i will assure you that hermes and jesus are
separate entities-even tho' it is known that they have worked together in
various incarnations...in some metaphysical circles there has been
speculation-here and there-that they are the same-people have confused the
two,due to the fact that the teachings of one resemble the other...---darrel
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i was wondering-- ra ta and thoth performed healing on the entities from
early atlantis who had incarnated too deeply into the material as
human-animal beings. so, how did thoth (for those playing at home, thoth/
hermes/ amilius/ adam/ jesus) wind up having an ibis bird head?

and, david has made the case egyptian gods were inspired by pre-dynastic,
real life people, like ra ta, thoth, isris. so i was curious if anyone knew
of other sources that revealed more of who the other players were and how
they became part of the myth-- like who was osiris, who was set, horus,
anubis, etc.

be well,
a

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[amilius2001]

darrel, you ask,
> i was wondering-- ra ta and thoth performed healing on the
entities from
> early atlantis who had incarnated too deeply into the material as
> human-animal beings. so, how did thoth (for those playing at home,
thoth/
> hermes/ amilius/ adam/ jesus) wind up having an ibis bird head?

humans tend to be very uneasy around those with very long lives,
virtually immortal. masks ease this discomfort. isn't it obvious?

namaste, amilius

[amilius2001]

without trying to be disputive-i will assure you that hermes and
jesus are separate entities-even tho' it is known that they have
worked together in various incarnations...in some metaphysical circles
there has been speculation-here and there-that they are the
same-people have confused the two,due to the fact that the teachings
of one resemble the other...---darrel

darrel, as observed by cayce, david wilcock, and others, thoth/hermes
[greek/egyptian names for the same entity] was the incarnation of
amilius that predated his jesus incarnation by more than 10,000 years.
it was ra ta that had worked with both incarnations in different time
frames. namaste.

[Michael Abrient]

big time thanks goes to nina for all the crazy-awesome research you
pulled out on me. it was way smarter than my question probably deserved, but
there you go...

come to find out, thoth via the hellas comes from djheuty, which in egyptian
meant simply, "like an ibis", which could have ascribed to the poet/ pyramid
architect for the symbolic reasons you mentioned. wynn's book also said
thoth was from southern egypt (that is cardinal south, not the region), so
it could have been emblematic of where he was from as well.

the name arart could be the root of "osiris" too. old egyptian was like
hebrew in that it didn't have any vowels (i think i'm right on this at
least), so the hellenization of the name could have made something of osiris
from a name like arart.

my favorite egyptian to greek name, of course is apophis. there is probably
no one correct way of styling these old names, but it comes from the word
"apep", which depending on how you run it through the lingual blender can
wind up being anything from "pip" to "pep" to "pepper" to... "pepsi".

yes it's true-- the divine enemy of ra was pepsi. chill on that.


oh, and if you want to talk more about what steiner said about osiris, if
you think it wouldn't be off topic you can put it out here, or you can send
it to just me.




@ pi - i can vouch for what you said about the pyramids and the ec
readings-- the atlanteans were trying to restore the human-animal hybrids to
full human form at the time, and i knew thoth was supposed to be one of the
healers, but he had that bird head of his, so there was a dissonance i
didn't understand.

it's a small detail, and it's debatable if it's worth anything in the long
run or not. even though these myths may be rooted in the circumstances of
live flesh and blood humans, after awhile they take on a life of their own.
but, oh well.

i think you're right on with this-- the osiris story-archetype is pretty
crucial in world mythology, because you see it all over the place, so the
latwii comment you mentioned is revealing.

thanks.



@ mario - you could go through the training and dial in to akasha and pull
out the file you wanted on whatever (then you could tell me how you did it,
because i would like to know). but in general, the veil is in place for a
reason, and without it and having access to higher plane knowledge all the
time, our free will would probably be hindered, like billie g said (which is
why the "secrets" are often offered to someone who has tried to truly
dedicate themselves to either path).

and as we all know free will is best served... stewed and boiled in
ignorance.

sucks, but hey that's the spice of life.





be well everyone,
a


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[darrel clark]

i have read many cayce readings...in the regards to the subject in question,may
i refer to 'edgar cayce's story of jesus' let's face it ,wanderers and mortals
alike live in-to some degree, a realm of limited perceptions...now i will state
the following in regards to the various incarnations of both jesus and
thoth-without trying to be a menace to this fine forum...adam or
amililius,enoch,melchizedek,joshua,joseph,jesus = the
same...seth,thoth,hermes,mercury,narada,zarathustr a,king david,saint
peter,constantine,saint patrick,galahad,and others=the same...i have not read
anywhere where cayce has stated that jesus and hermes are the same. ---darrel
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without trying to be disputive-i will assure you that hermes and
jesus are separate entities-even tho' it is known that they have
worked together in various incarnations...in some metaphysical circles
there has been speculation-here and there-that they are the
same-people have confused the two,due to the fact that the teachings
of one resemble the other...---darrel

darrel, as observed by cayce, david wilcock, and others, thoth/hermes
[greek/egyptian names for the same entity] was the incarnation of
amilius that predated his jesus incarnation by more than 10,000 years.
it was ra ta that had worked with both incarnations in different time
frames. namaste.





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[darrel clark]

o.k. this is a minute portion of the scoop concerning--the great
pyramid...enoch(a former lifetime of jesus),thoth(or hermes), & ra-ta-ta(cayce)
worked together in the design thereof-received from higher beings-angels.the
stones were moved by an ancient,lost science-'that causing iron to swim'
-similar,if not the same, as the process of tibetan monks using large amounts of
sound to manipulate heavy stones.-it took around 100 years to build....it is my
notion that thoth,and others, -later re-emerging as some of the greek/roman
group of gods and goddesses,migrated from atlantis.the reason they 'became' gods
and goddesses is simple -knowing various sciences carried over from their native
atlantis-including longevity-the peoples inhabiting the places they went to
-like egypt- worshipped them as 'higher beings',when in reality they were just
advanced human beings...back to the pyramid -somehow there was involved a means
to see into the future-very precise,interfacing with real-time starlight or
something (this stuff is beyond my pedestrian mode of mind). -inside the pyramid
is a chronological map foretelling particular,significant events in history-
invention of the printing-press,the financial debris of the 1930's,& so
forth.anyway,either/&/or before, during, after the time-window 2011-2013, there
will be more information revealed; -treasure buried near the spinx, for
instance.all the stuff any of us have ever wondered about concerning who we were
,where we came from (this pertaining to the wanderer bunch), our purpose in
history (past & present), -will be brought forth out of the darkness.but
nevertheless,it is all within anyway.if a remote viewer or psychic is able to
see who did what & where,so is an adept able to gaze into ancient times to
ascertain who did what & where & why.for example,cayce was able to see
jesus,that is,his entire likeness,while in a trance- down to the detail of jesus
having an an elongated fingernail of the small finger of the left
hand.artists,by means of intense imagination,are able to visualize the face or
likeness of someone in history.i think that after many hours of meditating,one
is able to appreciate or see more about what the great pyramid is about,as well
as 'our heaven-father,your name supreme,your kingdom come,your will done on
earth as it is in heaven...etcetera.amen.sela... ---darrel ---postscript:
the bird-image of thoth-as well as that of quetzalcoatl-is symbolic,not
literal,meaning that thoth,or quetzalcoatl,was known to fly in the air...and/or
wearing a bird-mask for theatrical effect. original
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ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ムâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚âƒãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒ ã‚âƒãƒâ‚ã‚â‚ãƒâƒã‚â‚ãƒâ‚ã‚â°a - come to find out, thoth via the hellas comes from djheuty, which in
egyptian
meant simply, "like an ibis", which could have ascribed to the poet/ pyramid
architect for the symbolic reasons you mentioned. wynn's book also said
thoth was from southern egypt (that is cardinal south, not the region), so
it could have been emblematic of where he was from as well.

the name arart could be the root of "osiris" too. a

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[Nina]

frustration looms when we receive different info re-past lives.
know myself, was overjoyed to discover that cayce was told he had
written most of luke in earlier incarnation when he was nephew of
actual luke. elated to discover that rudolf steiner noted clairvoyant
consciousness of luke. he did refer to him as the physician luke.
now, how come steiner did not pick up on "earlier incarnation of
edgar" as being the author person and instead seemed to affirm that
luke, the physician, wrote it?
(mentioned earlier how had been interested in steiner but that he had
said there were actually two jesus children, which account for the
disparities in matthew/luke gospels.(yrs ago, left it alone cause
cayce had not spoken of two jesus children, and did not know of
steiner's "according to luke"). book discovery is spiritual dynamite!
my opinion - a "must read" for those interested in cayce and to be
amazed at what luke shared!.)
when under discussion w/steiner group host, he said he knew of no
other source that connects jesus with zoroaster. steiner said jesus
was reincarnation of zoroaster, while cayce claimed jesus was zend,
father of zoroaster.(host offered "one could say they disagreed with
each other, but think how close their information is.")
fr "ac to luke":
"let's recall what the individuality who incarnated as
zarathustra...he had two pupils, the individuality who later
reappeared as the egyptian hermes and the other who reappeared as
moses. when these two individualities reincarnated to continue their
work on behalf of humankind, the astral body that zarathustra had
sacrificed was incorporated into hermes. we must recognize that
zarathustra's astral body reincarnated in the egyptian hermes to
allow all the outer science that zarathustra had absorbed to reappear
in the material world. mose's received zarathustra's ether body.
because everything that develops over time is linked to the ether
body - moses - when he became aware of the mysteries of his ether
body - was able to awaken temporal processes in the great and mighty
images we encounter in genesis."
tracing one composite soul does not appear easy at all, as steiner
clarifies:
"when we trace the development of a physical body,an ether body or an
an astral body, we must follow a totally different current in each
instance.each member of the human constitution points in a completely
different direction. it is true that the present ether body is the
reincarnation of an ether body that was formerly incarnated in a
different individuality - that is, not the individuality in which the
i was previously incarnated. the same is true of the astral body.
when we arrive in higher worlds in search of an individual's previous
members, these currents separate. each one carries us in different
directions and we discover very complicated processes in the
spiritual world. to gain a complete understanding of an individual
from the perspective of spiritual research, we cannot simply describe
him or her as the descendent if physical ancestors, nor can we simply
state from which being the present ether or astral body is derived.we
must describe the paths followed by each member until all four
converge in the present being, and we cannot trace all these paths at
once.one investigator may discover important information by tracing
the path of the ether body, while another traces the path of the
astral body. different investigators may place more emphasis on
different members and formulate their descriptions accordingly."
if interest, will share some about the two jesus children. nina

[darrel clark]

without revealing too much-because the time is not ripe-i will venture to state
that in no way did moses incorporate the ether body of zarathustra- & how do i
know this- because i have seen the present-day zarathustra converse with the
present-day moses,in 1997,on bush street,in an art gallery,close to downtown,san
francisco.and of course this sounds crazy.but life is crazy...and let me add
here that it is not wise to 'deify' historic personalities-because they return
as people,having to pay the rent,living,dying....and the just mentioned tidbit
about moses and zarathustra cannot be verified,unless you have the capacity to
see back in time.i know the names of both in their respective last/present
incarnations.also let me say here that few be are those who actually ascend
beyond the limits of reincarnation.of course,one who did was jeshua,or jesus.and
speaking for myself,i'd like to go beyond the restraints of dying and rebirth.i
want to re-invent myself to the point of never having to go to high school
again... . ---darrel...and god bless- postscript: a person could be right
in some cases of incarnation-identification,and wrong in others...postscript
two:if you think about how the eternal maker makes all things new-does it matter
who was who?-all that matters is seeking the creator-& if he & his angels impart
to you some lifetime-invoice of you or someone else for your evolutionary
stance,then that is nice-it is essentially a large time-lapse synchronicity
revealed- just as moving as glancing at random at the clock that is reading
'4:44'

from: nina


frustration looms when we receive different info re-past lives.
know myself, was overjoyed to discover that cayce was told he had
written most of luke in earlier incarnation when he was nephew of
actual luke. elated to discover that rudolf steiner noted clairvoyant
consciousness of luke.

[Nina]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=3xgse_rt0oi2edk428xetgpqcw1cbr6nzamukm wnsfbkahghzhkiwz-prjsstywemaeodajls7bw09o4vfo), "darrel clark" <zurch@...> wrote:
> without revealing too much-because the time is not ripe-matter who
>all that matters is seeking the creator-& if he & his angels impart to
you some lifetime-invoice of you or someone else for your evolutionary
stance...darrel...and god bless
> from: nina .. elated to discover that rudolf steiner noted
clairvoyant consciousness of luke.
dear darrel and everyone,
recall your earlier post and will look forward to "the time being
ripe".share re-steiner because he is on the acceptable reading list for
our group and it appears to provide valuable informantion. yes, seeking
the creator!
sample about the two jesus children and luke.
"the bible tells us that david had two sons, solomon and nathan(2
sam5:14). two lines of descent, the solomonic and nathanic line counted
david as their common ancestor..one descendent of the nathanic branch
was joseph, native of nazareth, wife's name was mary. a native of
bethlehem, another joseph, fr solomonic branch, also wife mary. thus at
the beginning of christian era there were two couples named joseph and
mary... the child i described yesterday, the child who supplied the
maternal astral body that was absorbed into the buddha's nirmankaya,
was born to couple of nathanic descent. as that child's birth
approached, his parents , left nazareth to go to bethlehem "to be
enrolled" as luke says (luke 2:4-5).
the other couple, not originally fr naz...lived in beth as described by
matthew 23...a son also named jesus was born...and his body also
supported the incarnation of a mighty individuality...all of the
relevant forces guided this child to become incarnation of
individuality who once taught about ahura mazda, the individuality who
once gave his astral/hermes and ether/moses). this being reappeared as
zarathas or nazarathos, the great chaldean teacher of pythagoras, is
none other than the zarathustra individuality. the i-being of
zarathustra was reincarnated in the child who was born, as matthew
gospel tells us, to couple, natives of bethlehem who belonged to
solomonic branch.
as you see, we find part of the truth in matthew and the other part in
luke. we must take them both literally, because the truth of the cosmos
is compicated...thus these two individualities led parallel lives - the
young adam individuality in the priestly branch and the zarathustra in
the child of kingly descent."
steiner's anthroposophy details key markers in child development - one
noted is at puberty when the maternal astral covering is shed.
bear with me, know this is long, but it is ever powerful!
"in the case of the priestly child...in his twelth year, the discarded
maternal astral sheath did not dissolve...(it) merged with the buddha's
descending nirmankaya, which had hovered over and illuminated the child
jesus since his birth...this rejuevenation made it possible for
buddha's earlier gift to the world to reappear in childlike simplicity
of jesus..at the visit to the temple, those around him were
astonishedat how he spoke (luke 2:44-50). this unprecedented ability
was due to the buddha's nirmankaya, which surrounded the boy and was
rejuvenated, as if in a fountain of youth, by the maternal covering he
discarded.
spiritual researchers are aware of this mystery that the author of the
luke gospel wove into the transformation of the twelve-year old jesus
in the temple. thus the luke gospel teaches a form of buddhism that is
accessible to simple minds. this transformation explains why the boy
suddenly spoke differently."
steiner says that the two jesus children grew up in same vicinity and
were friends...gospel reports that when nathanic jesus approachedhis
twelfth year, his parents went to jerusalem to observe passover..the
luke gospel gives an extremely mysterious accountof what then hapened
to the twelve year old jesus in the temple. after leaving the festival
and starting for home, his parents suddenly missed the boy, finding him
nowhere among their traveling companions, they returned to jerusalem
and found himin the temple surrounded by the great teachers ,
astonishing them all with his wisdom (luke 2:41-50). what had
happened?...at a certain stage of development, an individuality may
require circumstances different from those provided at birth. in the
occasionalcase, a person grows and develops up to a certain age and
then falls down unconscious...transformation then occurs, the person's
own i departs and another i occupies the body...what happened to the
twelve-year old jesus was this. the zarathustra i-being, having
achieved the highest development possible at that time int he body of
the jesus descended fr kingly solomon branch, left that body and
entered the nathanic jesus, who then appeared transformed. his parents
did not recognize him and did not understand the words the zarathustra-
i spoke from within the nathanic jesus."
re-luke... amazement..and to think gospel was very possibly written by
cayce in an earlier incarnation as the nephew of luke! nina

[Nina]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=dkoowxow3eyp6vehumdvovntdibetbnkvvzvbg h4ckjppjdqwf1tebmzmnbfttaqetfrabs80rp2wyq), "michael abrient" <abrient@...> wrote:
> "apep", which depending on how you run it through the lingual blender
can wind up being anything from "pip" to "pep" to "pepper"
to... "pepsi"... the divine enemy of ra was pepsi. chill on that.
> oh, and if you want to talk more about what steiner said about
osiris, > a
dear michael and everyone,
chilling on your pepsi now!
steiner(christianity and occult mysteries of antiquity):
"man becomes perfect when he lives as osiris, when he experiences what
osiris has experienced...it becomes the example of a man who wishes to
awaken the eternal within him. osiris is torn to pieces, killed by
typhon. the fragments of his body were cherished and cared for by his
consort isis. after his death he let a ray of his light fall upon her,
and she bore him horus. horus took over the earthly tasks of osiris. he
is the second osiris, still imperfect but progressing toward the true
osiris(the human soul)...therefore man must consider himself to be in
the tomb of osiris. the lower nature(typhon) has killed the higher
nature in him. love in his soul(isis) must cherish and care for the
dead fragments; then will be born the higher nature, the eternal soul
(horus), whcih can progress to osiris existence. whoever strives toward
the highest existence must repeat in himself, as a microcosm, the
macrocosmic, universal process of osiris."
it is on this more macro level of cosmic evolution, that ideas get
interesting.
re- "now, as we know, evolution proceeded in such a way that the moon
and earth formed one body. at the separation of the sun, yahweh(aware
of what ra says about yahweh) remained with the earth along with the
moon forces, and among his ministers was the godly form the egyptians
called osiris."
steiner details what happened when the moon separated.
"in studying earth evolution, the egyptian initiates saw that the god
osiris had separated himself from the sun and had gone to the moon,
whence he refected the light of the sun. what this god did was sacred
to the greeks. they too knew it was this god, osiris, who formed the 28
moon-aspects , and thereby laid the groundwork for the 28 nerves in the
human being. through osiris, the nervous system is built unto the
spinal column, therby forming the whole upper body."
much more about how the greeks recognized that osiris was the same god
they called apollo:"apollo worked on the nerves so as to achieve a soul
life within a human being. now in this simple way, let us think of how
the brain might be sketched. this continues itself into the spine, and
there the 28 arms of osiris enter in; there osiris with his 28 hands
plays upon the spine as upon a lyre. the greeks has a significant image
for this - the lyre of apollo. we need only think of it as transposed.
the lyre is the brain, the nerves are the strings on which the hands of
apollo play. apollo plays on the cosmic lyre, on the mighty work of art
that the cosmos has formed, and that causes to resound in human beings,
the tones that comprise their soul life. for the eleusinian initiate,
this was what the egyptians had given in their pictures."
last half shared is fr egyptian myths and mysteries. much more about
the symbolism that is striking. the entire myth is loaded. nina

"let each individual know that it is as a harp upon which the breath of
god would play." edgar cayce

[mario_leme2]

@ mario - you could go through the training and dial in to akasha
and pull out the file you wanted on whatever (then you could tell me
how you did it, because i would like to know). but in general, the
veil is in place for a reason, and without it and having access to
higher plane knowledge all the time, our free will would probably be
hindered, like billie g said (which is why the "secrets" are often
offered to someone who has tried to truly dedicate themselves to
either path).

and as we all know free will is best served... stewed and boiled in
ignorance.

sucks, but hey that's the spice of life.
----------------------------------------
michael,

i guess that the line that i have only connects inwards, you see, for
all that i have gathered has come to me without any search at all, and
that's in fact cool because it quite suits my view of things - i do
not actually seek for enlightenment, rather than i do seek for light.

hence my being utterly comfortable with the presence of the veil,
because it keeps me within the pure path of the life that i lead, not
on any life i could pretend to lead on the basis of having considered
myself any more special because of certain things that have happened
to me recently.

so that means that i exercise my free will in this sense: i am at ease
within myself and would not even start to think about acquiring any
kind of personal spiritual individual growth different than that which
i can acquire through the natural spontaneous experiences i happen to
have, not through some devised seeking within any other different path.

why? that would seem contradictive to me, that's why. i feel i can
only share from what i can naturally understand, from what is truly
given to me by only living my life to its fullest possible extent.

how could i pretend to share what i don't truly understand, what i
don't truly live? if i was to be any higher than i am right now this
would probably mean that i would have to be someplace else, even it
terms of dimension, but then i'm not, i'm right here. so here's where
i'm going to try to make the best of what i've got, otherwise i can
commit the mistakes of becoming pretentious while regarding mere
information as knowledge.

acquire knowledge which i can indeed use will get me moving forward,
information for which i have no use at all will only keep me
staggering, ego inflated with some shallow pretense masked as
spiritual wisdom.

wisdom, to me, is looking at all things on the simplest of terms and
loving them for their sheer being, all else is not even accessory.

[Nina]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=iidbv1qffxfnlth2atge1_vx2zipzbbovkbxsd wzalfin5vzx980sw4wk6xzxtdjiazpukdhmn7bj2w), "nina" <emeraldnina@...> wrote:
> dear group,
no time yesterday to add another essential highlight re-myth!
steiner: "why has the being we know as osiris become darkened? the
light ceased to work when the sun departed, but yahweh remained with
the earth until the moon split off. osiris was the spirit who
contained the force of thr sunlight in such a way that, when the moon
later departed, he accompanied it and received the task of reflecting
the sunlight from the moon to the earth. thus, at first we see the
sun depart;yahweh remains behind on earth with his hosts, with
osiris. humans learn to breathe, and at the same time, the moon
departs. osiris departs with the moon and is given the task of
reflecting the sunlight from the moon to the earth. osiris is laid
into a chest,that is, he withdraws to the moon...how could this
cosmic event be better described? first, the sun-god reigns,then he
is driven out with the moon. the moon is the chest that is pushed out
with the ocean of cosmic space; thereafter osiris is in cosmic space.
but we recall that in the myth, it is told that when osiris was found
again, when he arose again in cosmic space, he appeared in fourteen
forms. the myth says that osiris was cut up into fourteen pieces and
was buried in fourteen graves.here in this profound myth, we have a
wonderful reference to a cosmic event. the fourteen aspects of the
moon are the fourteen pieces of the dismembered osiris. the complete
osiris is the whole moon-disk...we know that the spinal cord is
important. the nerves proceed from it.not even the beginnings of
these were present in the time when the moon had not yet departed.
these fourteen aspects of the moon, in the order in whcih they follow
on one another, were the cause of the fourteen nerve-filaments being
annexed to the human spinal cord."
let's not forget about isis!
"the cosmic forces worked in such a way that these 14 nerve filaments
correspond to the 14 phases or aspects of the moon(result of osirian
influence). but something else also corresponds to the moon-
evolution. these 14 phases are only one-half the phenomena of the
moon. the moon has 14 phases fr new moon to full moon, and 14 phases
fr full moon to new moon. during the 14 days leading to the new moon,
there is no osiris influence. then the sun shines upon the moon in
such a way that the latter gradually turns its unilliminated surface
to the earth as the new moon. these 14 aspects from full moon to new
also have their result, and for the egyptian consciousnes,this result
was achieved through isis. these 14 phases are ruled by isis...14
other nerve-filaments proceed...makes a total of 28...corresponding
to the different phases of the moon. so we see, from the viewpoint of
cosmic events, the origin of specific members of the human organism."
see why steiner is on the reading list! this helps me understand "law
of one" more.
look forward to more fr david/ra about everything - nina

[Nina]

besides "according to luke" by steiner, there are two other books that
cover this topic:
the two children by david ovason (my steiner friend tells me he also
has excellent bk on nostradamus)
the mystery of the two jesus children and the descent of the spirit of
the sun by bernard nesfield-cookson
do not have ovason's wk but fr bk cover of nesfield's:
"the christian gospels give two widely differing genealogies for jesus
which have continued to baffle theologians throughout the centuries.
not only are their genealogies irreconcilable, but the stories of the
two accounts of the birth of jesus by matthew and luke, are also
radically different. how can this be accounted for?
an ancient tradition tells that there were two children named jesus , a
year apart in age , born to parents called mary and joseph,. these two
jesus children brought up in close proximity, eventually 'united' in a
mysterious way resulting in a single 'jesus' who was destined to grow
up and fulfill the prophecies fo the old testament.
in grappling with this mystery, nesfield-cookson uses all available
sources - the biblical accounts, new testament apocryphal writings,
aramaic and hebrew documents discovered in the qumram caves discovered
in the 20th c(dead sea scrolls), writings by syrian theologians of the
13th c, and in particular the statements by the philosopher and
scientist rudolf steiner(the first in modern times to assert that two
jesus children existed).the author also refers to the many works of
art - largely by italian artists of the renaissance period - which
appear to depict two jesus children. fifteen paintings reproduced (are
included).
the author develops a parallel theme regarding the mystery of christ
and jesus that of the gradual descent of christ - the spirit of the
sun - from the spiritual world into a physical body." nina

[Pi]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=j1pri_3qa3ezziscqkopw6payjgdczyqekwb-cqmck0ycqafliqgmmtxza9qqobhvbubo1kg8bkklhwqt7w), "mario_leme2" <mario_leme2@...> wrote:
> so that means that i exercise my free will in this sense: i am at
ease within myself and would not even start to think about acquiring
any kind of personal spiritual individual growth different than that
which i can acquire through the natural spontaneous experiences i
happen to have, not through some devised seeking within any other
different path.

pi: this points to one of the perplexingly perfect paradoxical pairs
that i behold to be the beauty of third dimension. for while your
path may be different, i perceive it to be the same path iam taking!

how so? because i perceive our destination to be identical--i.e., all
roads lead to rome. albeit, enter signor / signora unique! they lead
pi to see that iam / ur not different -- ur / iam only unique.

how so? because a difference is not a difference unless it makes a
difference--i.e., all roads still lead to rome! albeit uniquely. so
iam / ur not on the same path, pf course. but we are not traveling a
different path--ur / iam all headed to rome! third dimension beauty!

> why? that would seem contradictive to me, that's why. i feel i can
only share from what i can naturally understand, from what is truly
given to me by only living my life to its fullest possible extent. >

pi: absolutely correct, mario! besides, you actually cannot convey or
give or communicate it (<-- any one of them would be "sharing"), even
if you did understand, because once you did, the path that you shared
would no longer be unique. and one thing for sure in 3d--ur unique
and ur path is unique. remember, however, that all roads lead to rome!

> how could i pretend to share what i don't truly understand, what i
don't truly live? if i was to be any higher than i am right now this
would probably mean that i would have to be someplace else, even in
terms of dimension, but then i'm not, i'm right here.

pi: one of the perplexingly perfect paradoxical pairs of 3d leads pi
to dis agree here. your body may be here (or there, if you will). but
your soul is any and every where. and ur mind is some where between
(oxymoronically, no?). still unique, but not the same nor different
than iam.

> i'm going to try to make the best of what i've got, otherwise i can
commit the mistakes of becoming pretentious while regarding mere
information as knowledge. acquire knowledge which i can indeed use
will get me moving forward, information for which i have no use at
all will only keep me staggering, ego inflated with some shallow
pretense masked as spiritual wisdom.

pi: voila! absolutely! a beautiful description of the perplexingly
perfect paradoxical part of what i see ra / q'uo referring to as the
layers of an onion peeling off!

but i see no point of this in relation to your 'difference' with
michael. the point is that ur are unique and can't share what that
uniqueness, by virtue of definition (& many other factors of course).
but what you also are helping pi to see is that being unique is not
being different or being the same. but it has priceless value & worth.

how so? because i perceive our destination to be identical--i.e., all
roads lead to rome. so ur / iam connected uniquely to thru by rome (&
also to michael and to michael's path!).

with much peace & love for all

[mario_leme2]

pi: "(...) for while your path may be different, i perceive it to be
the same path iam taking! how so? because i perceive our destination
to be identical--i.e., all roads lead to rome. (...)"

mario: indeed, this is something that i do feel, withouth the faintest
shadow of a doubt: we're all individuals parts of the same energy,
enthrusted with the same destiny: pure light.
----------------
pi: "how so? because a difference is not a difference unless it
makes a difference--i.e., all roads still lead to rome! albeit
uniquely. so iam / ur not on the same path, pf course. but we are not
traveling a different path--ur / iam all headed to rome! third
dimension beauty!"

mario: and of course once we regard the basic theory of communication,
which states that one same object will not at all be equally
perceveid by any two inidividuals, we see that such could not happen
otherwise.

this is something i have also learned quite well: revelation comes
differently to each and every person to whom it shows itself. so there
as many gods (god experiences) as there are beings.

so oneness is indeed the integration of the overall energy of all
those beings (even those to which god has not been spiritually
revealed), and it will be as more complete in terms of positive
vibration as the number of those to which it has been revealed shows
increase. that's why we can still turn the game of fate around by
the use of the energy of one, our collective souls merging with
universal energy within the material/aetheric realm.
-------------------
pi: "absolutely correct, mario! besides, you actually cannot convey
or give or communicate it (<-- any one of them would be "sharing"),
even if you did understand, because once you did, the path that you
shared would no longer be unique. and one thing for sure in 3d--ur
unique and ur path is unique. remember, however, that all roads lead
to rome!"

mario: what i try to do is to communicate through means of self-
example, which includes all that concerns the way that i behave in
general, voice tone, facial and bodily expressions, manner of speech,
correct use of terms ect. bringing virtue into the stage of daily life
as if there was no tomorrow (and in fact we have no definitive clue
that there will be one, at that, so i am reborn every single day from
what could well have been be my death in my sleep). this works better
than preaching to the choir, because people start to notice that
spreading love and respect around is clearly a possibility! you would
not believe the results! it still amazes me, for it works to
perfection yet is so deceptively simple.
-----------------------------
pi: "one of the perplexingly perfect paradoxical pairs of 3d leads
pi to dis agree here. your body may be here (or there, if you will).
but your soul is any and every where. and ur mind is some where
between (oxymoronically, no?). still unique, but not the same nor
different than iam."

mario: yes, indeed, i do (did) understand that, pi, but then most
people (myself included) can only actually recall and work upon what
is gathered by the embodied spirit, so what i try to do is to bring it
(spirit) to the front as much as i can, utterly ignoring most of what
the ego brings to me, even at the cost of eventually having to
"police" myself in terms of some sheer stupid thought that the shallow
part of my being insists on presenting me as reality, when i'm clearly
living something totally different. this also works, you see. in the
beginning it gets a bit hard, but as you start to block stupid
thoughts with a clear mind those thoughts seem to occur less and less
often, to the point when in certain days none at all comes through.
making yourself busy also helps a lot. i also sing a lot!
-----------------
pi: "voila! absolutely! a beautiful description of the perplexingly
perfect paradoxical part of what i see ra / q'uo referring to as
the layers of an onion peeling off!"

mario: indeed! thanks for the compliment.
---------------
pi:"but i see no point of this in relation to your 'difference'
with michael."

mario: no difference there, i was only presenting/sharing my own
perspective about the seeking of knowledge, for such seeking will
eventually keep you from actually living your life, that's all.
-------------------------
pi: "the point is that ur are unique and can't share what that
uniqueness, by virtue of definition (& many other factors of
course). but what you also are helping pi to see is that being unique
is not being different or being the same. but it has priceless value &
worth.

mario: i'm deeply glad that i might have served to help you i any way,
pi, for that's all that i'm here (in the world) for, anyway. the
beauty of it all is that there is complete generosity in the
universe, one that will allow each and everyone one of its constituent
parts to be completely unique in itself while it adds to the total,
which further enhances the point we're all here for: the universe is
one in itself, and we are one with it all.
-------------------
pi: how so? because i perceive our destination to be identical--
i.e., all roads lead to rome. so ur / iam connected uniquely to thru
by rome also to michael and to michael's path!).

mario: yes, yet i fear for those who don't share more of themselves in
the outer world as they only search for answers within themselves
regarding not more than knowledge they can acquire. the bottom line
is: what you know will make no difference at all to what you would
be if you did not know it! this is a dimension on which we might as
well just be, and my guess is that being love, showing love through
living is what we are here for, all else is not even accessory and
therefore is expendable.

[Pi]

pi: mario, your response helps me see ways i may be starting to
understand self thru others, & also ways that i am not. thank you!

mario: what i try to do is to communicate through means of self-
example, which includes all that concerns the way that i behave in
general, voice tone, facial and bodily expressions, manner of speech,
correct use of terms ect. bringing virtue into the stage of daily life
as if there was no tomorrow (and in fact we have no definitive clue
that there will be one, at that, so i am reborn every single day from
what could well have been be my death in my sleep). this works better
than preaching to the choir, because people start to notice that
spreading love and respect around is clearly a possibility! you would
not believe the results! it still amazes me, for it works to
perfection yet is so deceptively simple.

pi: with a minor exception, this is very much what i try to do also,
though my description probably would use very different words and
metaphors. the exception has to do with the image of self-example. i
consider what i try to do as self-experience. in my mind, self-
example fosters an image of evaluating what i try to do compared to
what other-self is (or other-selves are) trying to do. the nuance is
that i take ownership for seeing and evaluating what i do as self-
experience but i am compromising the purity of applying an experience
to self-growth if i see and evaluate it in relation to other(s).

mario: ...most people (myself included) can only actually recall and
work upon what is gathered by the embodied spirit, so what i try to
do is to bring it (spirit) to the front as much as i can, utterly
ignoring most of what the ego brings to me, even at the cost of
eventually having to "police" myself in terms of some sheer stupid
thought that the shallow part of my being insists on presenting me as
reality, when i'm clearly living something totally different.

pi: i'm not sure of what 'embodied spirit' is, but i intuit that's
inconsequential, since it's a construct that helps you find the way
that's appropriate to you. i can't see any one's thought(s) "in terms
of some sheer stupid" thing because i don't see any (one) thing in
terms of stupid. i may see it as inappropriate, but i see the trigger
for such an an inappropriate thought to be a previous inappropriate
method that i think you are describing as (paying heed to) "what the
ego brings".

mario: this also works, you see. in the beginning it gets a bit hard,
but as you start to block stupid thoughts with a clear mind those
thoughts seem to occur less and less often, to the point when in
certain days none at all comes through. making yourself busy also
helps a lot. i also sing a lot!

pi: ra says blocking what i/u consider to be inappropriate thought is
inadvisable, because such a thought is repressed but still exists in
consciousness. repressing a thought gives it (inappropriate or so-
called stupid thought) an advantage of being hidden and concealed and
yet still able to affect the balance of consciousness that is a mark
for achieving a healthy existence. busy-ness may counter that only if
it is focused on serving the creator. singing is more likely to focus
on serving the creator, so it has a better chance to reduce effect of
a repressed thought. but both busy-ness and singing only indirectly
counter the potential effect of negative thought. it's more effective
to be direct, which means to accept the thought, hear what it has to
say about your inner self emotions feelings, analyze and understand
(if you can--this may call for extended patience) the source of pain
that prompted our 'creation' of that thought, then shower it with the
kindness of acceptance and ask it to join the loving circle of light
that i/u have chosen to be within around throughout permeating you.

even without trying what i suggest, making self busy and singing may
give wonderful orientation to self-growth & serving the creator.

mario: no difference there, i was only presenting/sharing my own
perspective about the seeking of knowledge, for such seeking will
eventually keep you from actually living your life, that's all.

pi: to reiterate prior comment, perspective is experience, and very
helpful experience to pi! if such seeking is priority to serving the
creator, it would indeed handicap. but for some, including pi, such
seeking clarifies perfectly, that we are one with the past & one with
the future. (the future has already been.) so all that matters is my
connection to serving creator. i had such an experience upon entering
a so-called 'tomb' in luxor & realizing that i had been there before.

mario: ...yet i fear for those who don't share more of themselves in
the outer world as they only search for answers within themselves
regarding not more than knowledge they can acquire. the bottom line
is: what you know will make no difference at all to what you would
be if you did not know it! this is a dimension on which we might as
well just be, and my guess is that being love, showing love through
living is what we are here for, all else is not even accessory and
therefore is expendable.

pi: this 'fear' of the search for knowledge becoming too important an
aspect of self-discovery strikes pi as parallel to a fear that mario
may have, related either to present or past experience. what i try to
convey here is that it would help to examine why you chose the term
of 'fear' to describe your self, even more helpful to find whatever
it is in your present or past experience that precipitated use of the
word 'fear', and healthiest to embrace that experience as your own
and as a perplexingly perfect paradoxical part of self. i must admit
however, that i actually have no clue as to whether what i'm saying
in this paragraph may be applicable or not.

peace & love.

[Nina]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=u8mgqcj0pphsqm3agjqcnntpx9rqteurudfyxh abkcd928lsnrdvhbsnxvhgutl01fpasspuw5geir6pkpii), "darrel clark" <zurch@...> wrote:
-without trying to be a menace to this fine forum...adam or
amililius,enoch,melchizedek,joshua,joseph,jesus = the
same...seth,thoth,hermes,mercury,narada,zarathustr a,king david,saint
peter,constantine,saint patrick,galahad,and others=the same...i have
not read anywhere where cayce has stated that jesus and hermes are the
same. ---darrel
dear darrel,
earnest quest/no menancing. in "lives of the master: the rest of the
jesus story",sanderfur has chapters on enoch and hermes but says that
the master was not specifically named at the time of ra in cayce
readings. (much given about hermes and ra). also he said, "finally,
after a study of the cayce readings on hermes and enoch, leads to the
very likely conclusion that they were one and the same individual."
birger pearson's "gnosticism, judaism, and egyptian christianity" has
chapter on "jewish elements in corpus hermeticum(poimandres).he has
columns listing how poimandres and 2 enoch are almost identical:
poimandres" powers sing to the father in the eighth sphere and in ninth"
2 enoch "angelic powers sing to god, in the seventh heaven, "holy,
holy, holy". nina
clairvoyant helped me with explaination that when one first starts to
see picture images, it is hard to know if they are literal identity or
just signify time frame or circa that figure (like flash of king louis -
may have been present in his court, not him , per se)