question

[Marcelo Guerra]

dear david and all:

do any of you know what it means if a person is be able grab any object
hanging like a pendulum with a string (i.e: a yo yo, a shoe, a purse, etc.)
and rotate it at will to either direction (counter clockwise, clockwise,
front and back, side to side) with just the power of thought...

is this a property of magnetic flow? is this a kind of telekinesis? why is
this possible?

any comments will help illuminate my puzzled mind...

also, can you comment on what is the significance of number nine, as
commented in my past email. i just noted that the schumman resonance that
you indicated in the past email of 7.83, also adds up to 9!! i strongly
feel that all these additions to nine, must mean something....

love
marcelo

[David Wilcock]

<table>
><font face="tahoma" size="2">from: marcelo guerra [mailto:mguerra@attglobal.net]
</font><tt>do any of you know what it means if a person is be able grab any object
hanging like a pendulum with a string (i.e: a yo yo, a shoe, a purse, etc.)
and rotate it at will to either direction (counter clockwise, clockwise,
front and back, side to side) with just the power of thought...

<span class="810550117-16102001"><font face="arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">[david wilcock]of course. i've done these things myself with a paper pinwheel on a needle.</font></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"></span>
is this a property of magnetic flow? is this a kind of telekinesis? why is
this possible?

<span class="810550117-16102001"><font face="arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">[david wilcock]torsion waves in the aether induced by human consciousness. these waves can also be produced mechanically. you'll see soon in ciii when it's done... and i am making very good progress now.</font></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"></span>
any comments will help illuminate my puzzled mind...

also, can you comment on what is the significance of number nine, as
commented in my past email. i just noted that the schumman resonance that
you indicated in the past email of 7.83, also adds up to 9!! i strongly
feel that all these additions to nine, must mean something....

<span class="810550117-16102001"><font face="arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">[david wilcock]it essentially shows the importance of the base-10 system for harmonics. pythagoras said 10 was the 'tetracys' as it was the sum ofthe numbers 1 through 4.you can arrange the numbers as individual dots and they will form a triangle with another dot in the middle. number and structure are very closelyrelated - and in the base-10 system you can shiftdecimal points around, add up numbers, et cetera.</font></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"><font face="arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">peace be with you -</font></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"><font face="arial" color="#0000ff" size="2">- david</font></span></tt>
><tt><span class="810550117-16102001"></span>
love
marcelo
</tt>

[bjorn_nitmou]

i have sort of a question about the orion group. they conform to the
law of one, is this correct? they do not breech free will, they
attempt to communicate with those who are seeking sts polarization?
ok then, if that is true, are they also trying to stop sto beings
from ascending? the answer is yes, is this correct?

if this is so, then i was wondering: if orion group believes in tlof
one, but just chooses to go sts, then they must also believe in the
ultimate goal of acheiving oneness because this is part of the law of
one, and therefore they should not care if sto beings ascend, in fact
they should support it, right? so is there a contradiction there, or
where does my misunderstanding begin? - - - im just trying to put
some pieces together.
im just thinking that if both sides are part of the law of one, and
both sides are attempting to acheive oneness - then in some way,
arent we working together. shouldnt we be happy if a negetive 3d
goes to 4d and shouldnt a sts be happy that a sto ascends, because we
both know that in the long run we are getting closer to acheiving
oneness? after all, as an sto, your job is not to get sts to change
polarity right? so each side should be happy that the other is well
along the way to oneness.........maybe? thanks for any opinions!

[Tiffani Boswell]

if orion group believes in tlof
> one, but just chooses to go sts, then they must also believe in the
> ultimate goal of acheiving oneness because this is part of the law of
> one, and therefore they should not care if sto beings ascend, in fact
> they should support it, right?

remember they are sts...so the more entities they can control and the more
elite they can become...the faster/more efficiently they can polarize sts to
ascension/harvestability in whatever dimension they are in...

they are service to "self" so they do not care if sto beings ascend...in
fact if they can stop it or hinder it they gain polarity in an sts
fasion....as far as i understand it...(but remember my last
post...understanding is not of this density...consciously knowing you do not
understand the law of one is necessary to be harvestable :) at least i got
that part of harvestability down-pat! :)

> im just thinking that if both sides are part of the law of one, and
> both sides are attempting to acheive oneness - then in some way,
> arent we working together.

sure...both paths are acceptable and both paths are part of the "one"...but
one chooses to radiate and one chooses to subjugate/draw in energy.

after all, as an sto, your job is not to get sts to change
> polarity right?

sure...but that sto has chosen the service to others path...so the highest
service is acceptance of self, acceptance of other-self, seeing all as the
creator...thus not changing the sts entity just offering the love/light
acceptance of being...

so each side should be happy that the other is well
> along the way to oneness.........maybe?

possibly happiness is not necessarily in the equation...

but it may be sort of like what carla and ra talk about in psychic
greetings...if an sts entity offers a greeting, and you reply in true
offering of light/love it, then you are accepting it as is...and that
unconditional acceptance respects that the other is one and on a path
acceptable to oneness...

just my thoughts...thanks...tiffani

[sol72us]

hey this could inspire a new language style:
replace sts with leech.
replace sto with synergizer.
okay, here is a sample - i think the exageration
makes a larger emotional impact and from that
the distinction becomes stronger, and then from
that the puzzle peices fall in place easier.
pat


from tiffani and bjorn, (with pat's editing):

remember they are leech...so the more entities
they can control and the more elite they can
become...the faster/more efficiently they can
polarize leech to ascension/harvestability in
whatever dimension they are in...

they are parasites so they do not care if synergy
beings ascend...in fact if they can stop it or
hinder it they gain polarity in a leech fasion....
as far as i understand it...(but remember my last
post...understanding is not of this density...
consciously knowing you do not understand the law
of one is necessary to be harvestable :) at least
i got that part of harvestability down-pat! :)

> im just thinking that if both sides are part of
> the law of one, and both sides are attempting to
> acheive oneness - then in some way, arent we
> working together.

sure...both paths are acceptable and both paths are
part of the "one"...but one chooses to radiate and
one chooses to subjugate/draw in energy.

> after all, as a synergizer, your job is not to get
> leech to change polarity right?

sure...but that synergizer has chosen the service to
others path...so the highest service is acceptance of
self, acceptance of other-self, seeing all as the
creator...thus not changing the leech entity just
offering the love/light acceptance of being...

[Tony P.]

i was watching the news and they shown this one explosion in i think
neveda for testing or whatever. 37,000 pounds of tnt was the power of
the blast. isn't this very harmful to the earth? it was a brief story
on the news, and i haven't investigated it more.

[Tony P.]

the following question is phrased in a statement format for emphasis.

i wonder how ra would define the term friendship.

[April]

hello to you all....

this may be outside the scope of this forum, but, i'd really like an
answer, theory, anything.

what is perfection? what does it mean to be perfect? observation shows
people striving for this thing called perfection, usually based upon
some set of rules or beliefs made popular by others, rather than
through one's own experiences.
if you have perfection in one thing, does that automatically cause
perfection in all/other things? is one person's concept/idea of
perfect any greater or lesser than another person's, even if they are
opposite in origin?
interested in your responses.

april

[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "tony p." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> the following question is phrased in a statement format for
emphasis.
>
> i wonder how ra would define the term friendship.

i was amused by this definition from "dictionary.com:"
3. aptness to unite; conformity; affinity; harmony; correspondence.

i wonder if ra would be amused by that.

[Rod Johnson]

hi april,

at 10:46 pm 10/2/2002 &#43;0000, you wrote:
>hello to you all....
>
> this may be outside the scope of this forum, but, i'd really like an
>answer, theory, anything.
>
>what is perfection? what does it mean to be perfect? observation shows
> people striving for this thing called perfection, usually based upon
>some set of rules or beliefs made popular by others, rather than
>through one's own experiences.
> if you have perfection in one thing, does that automatically cause
>perfection in all/other things? is one person's concept/idea of
>perfect any greater or lesser than another person's, even if they are
>opposite in origin?
> interested in your responses.
>
>april


truth, perfection and happiness have on thing in common. they are all
arbitrary standards based on opinions. turn away from truth and embrace the
moment to moment realizations. forsake perfection and cling to appropriate
doing. if a person dies in the midst of their greatest performance one can
say that they were happy.

rod



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[thedruid2012]

"april wrote: what is perfection?"

hello april,

when you're in an experience, situation, or thought - that is
perfect - it is teaching you. every moment is an experience and your
response to it is perfect, it is your choice and you learn from it.
every entity is perfect as it is their choice to experience every
moment and exercise free will.

every experience is perfect, every moment is perfect, every entity is
perfect.

what is perfection? ... perception - its how you choose to see it.

love/light.

mike.

[peter henry daley]

dear april,
your question is most suitable for this forum.
my theory is, that there is no such thing as perfection in the
manifest universe. everything is evolving and therefore imperfect.
the true perfection only exists in the abstract, or if you prefer,
the mind of god. the elite of the cathars in mediaeval france
called themselves the perfects, a hubris which may have contributed
to their destruction.
the masters of saturn are referred to as perfects, and how this
fits in with my theory i do not know, but i suspect this to be the
acme of evolution possible in the planets of this solar system,
and not to be considered absolute.
regards the idea of perfectly symmetrical solids, and
anything requiring measurement, can only be "perfectly" accurate in
the approximate terms of so many places of decimals.
the universe is in a state of controlled chaos, and has
become the law.
free will left to assert itself in selfish aims effects a
contribution to chaos, and we have been doing that for countless
centuries.there are other elements which work is this way.
perfection is completely static, organic life would be impossible.


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> hello to you all....
>
> this may be outside the scope of this forum, but, i'd really like an
> answer, theory, anything.
>
> what is perfection? what does it mean to be perfect? observation shows
> people striving for this thing called perfection, usually based upon
> some set of rules or beliefs made popular by others, rather than
> through one's own experiences.
> if you have perfection in one thing, does that automatically cause
> perfection in all/other things? is one person's concept/idea of
> perfect any greater or lesser than another person's, even if they are
> opposite in origin?
> interested in your responses.
>
> april
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[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., rod johnson <rodj@2...> wrote:
> ...in the midst of their greatest
> performance one can say that they were happy.
>
> rod

perfection,
happy midsts of dynamics,
our elements combine in
dances to music. greatest
sounds flood with emotion,
cycles of song. and rest;
our elements separate in
somber midsts of statics,
imperfection.

[Crasher2ooo@...]

hi april...

thanks for sharing your assesment of my dream, the metaphor you gave of the
tornado representing change in my life would make sense considering changes
and decisions i have been making recently.

april: what is perfection? what does it mean to be perfect? observation shows

people striving for this thing called perfection, usually based upon some set
of rules or beliefs made popular by others, rather than through one's own
experiences.

synchronicity! the same day you replied to my post and proposed this question
i attended my philosophy class at college, the topic that day for the class
was... what is perfection?

i believe the term perfection is misunderstood... to strive to become perfect

in various areas of life is completely subjective to the individuals view of
what perfection is. what one person thinks is perfect could be completely the
opposite to another person.

however, i think you can describe perfection as a fundamental aspect of
reality. i believe there is nothing in this world that isnt perfect,
everything happens as it is supposed to... nothing could occur that isnt
perfect.

hope this helps and thanks again for the dream analysis.

robin.









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[Tony P.]

if anyone gets a chance to channel someone at a 5th dimension or
higher, can this unimportant question be asked please? "was the
u.s.'s first televised moon landing faked or real?" and make sure it
is phrased correctly or there might be error.

[Erik Strasser]

you wont get a density 5 entity to do your work. (yeah david, i know it can be
done :-)))

www.enterprisemission.com (look for moon related writings).


if anyone gets a chance to channel someone at a 5th dimension or
higher, can this unimportant question be asked please? "was the
u.s.'s first televised moon landing faked or real?" and make sure it
is phrased correctly or there might be error.





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[sol72us]

--- in asc2k@y..., "tony p." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> if anyone gets a chance to channel someone at a 5th dimension or
> higher, can this unimportant question be asked please? "was the
> u.s.'s first televised moon landing faked or real?"
> and make sure it is phrased correctly or there might be error.

maybe ask charles darwin, wouldn't he know?

[Tony P.]

?

> maybe ask charles darwin, wouldn't he know?

[David Wilcock]

from: "tony p."

> if anyone gets a chance to channel someone at a 5th dimension or
> higher, can this unimportant question be asked please? "was the
> u.s.'s first televised moon landing faked or real?" and make sure it
> is phrased correctly or there might be error.

dw: no need to resort to channeling for that.

peace be with you -

- david

[Tony P.]

i think it's the little things that count too that can change a
person's view of something.

> dw: no need to resort to channeling for that.
>
> peace be with you -
>
> - david

[Tony P.]

my work? huh? i can't just guess the answers and have them be true.

--- in asc2k@y..., "erik strasser" <e.strasser@w...> wrote:
> you wont get a density 5 entity to do your work. (yeah david, i
know it can be done :-)))

[David Wilcock]

from: "tony p."

> i think it's the little things that count too that can change a
> person's view of something.
>
> > dw: no need to resort to channeling for that.

dw: the moon hoax hypothesis is a complete fraud. hoagland has extensively
documented this on his website. it really isn't that big of a deal that we
landed on the moon - and the confabulated "evidence" is serving a hidden
agenda, no doubt - but more important is what we found when we got there,
and the fact that the russian newsmedia pravda has now broken the story:

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2002/10/05/37771.html

i hear that hoagland says there are a lot of distortions in this article,
therefore he isn't linking it on his website at present.

peace be with you -

- david

[Tony P.]

is there any source saying milk/dairy products are an inhibitor to
raising your consciousness? i think i've read somewhere like flour
would be or something like that.

[bjorn_nitmou]

i would say yes, but some one else will have to tell you why, casue i
dont know. but here is that link to rense that talks about how milk
is bad for you, but that really might not be what youre looking
for.....

http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm


--- in asc2k@y..., "tony p." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> is there any source saying milk/dairy products are an inhibitor to
> raising your consciousness? i think i've read somewhere like flour
> would be or something like that.

[Tony P.]

that's what i read some already. but i don't want facts guessed or
tested from this. i mean if there is any channelings that talk about
milk i meant. and the weird thing is, i can't believe in everything i
read on the web, no matter how much sense it makes too, so that
creates another problem. facts seem to change. like one time, people
believed the earth to be flat. then they believed the earth to be
round. then they believed the earth to be spheroid. then they
believed the earth is growing in the middle, expanding in size
horizontally.

--- in asc2k@y..., "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> i would say yes, but some one else will have to tell you why, casue
i
> dont know. but here is that link to rense that talks about how
milk
> is bad for you, but that really might not be what youre looking
> for.....
>
> http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

[bjorn_nitmou]

dont worry about what other people believe - its all relative anyway -
just make up your on mind based on what you are given and go from
there.

--- in asc2k@y..., "tony p." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> that's what i read some already. but i don't want facts guessed or
> tested from this. i mean if there is any channelings that talk
about
> milk i meant. and the weird thing is, i can't believe in everything
i
> read on the web, no matter how much sense it makes too, so that
> creates another problem. facts seem to change. like one time,
people
> believed the earth to be flat. then they believed the earth to be
> round. then they believed the earth to be spheroid. then they
> believed the earth is growing in the middle, expanding in size
> horizontally.
>
> --- in asc2k@y..., "bjorn_nitmou" <bjorn_nitmou@y...> wrote:
> > i would say yes, but some one else will have to tell you why,
casue
> i
> > dont know. but here is that link to rense that talks about how
> milk
> > is bad for you, but that really might not be what youre looking
> > for.....
> >
> > http://www.rense.com/general26/milk.htm

[Crasher2ooo@...]

hi tony...

abouth the dairy products and white flour being detrimental to your
conciousness... well it is detrimental to expansion of conciousness and
raising your vibration. if you look back through the reading archives on
ascension2000 website you'll find a couple of articles channeled by david
that tell you about diet in great detail.

robin.


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[Tony P.]

i don't know why i didn't use google.com to search ascension2000.com
against the word milk.
http://ascension2000.com/readings/readings02.html
http://ascension2000.com/nonos.html

> abouth the dairy products and white flour being detrimental to your
> conciousness... well it is detrimental to expansion of conciousness
and
> raising your vibration. if you look back through the reading
archives on
> ascension2000 website you'll find a couple of articles channeled by
david
> that tell you about diet in great detail.

[alwilli]

hello tony,
friday, october 11, 2002, you wrote:

>> abouth the dairy products and white flour being detrimental to your >>
>>conciousness... well it is detrimental to expansion of conciousness > and >>
>>raising your vibration. if you look back through the reading

this is an interesting thread for the reason that there is a long tradition
in both directions. the "eastern" is almost uniform in advocating
abstinence from food derived from animals (dairy products often excepted)
but the western tradition, while ostensibly in conformity with this,
presents apparent exceptions in practice. gurdieff comes to mind, though
his followers might say it was all for experimental and teaching
opportunity reasons. i am thin on original research, but it is my
understanding that dietary discipline (while logically, ie according to the
explanations that it retards or obviates spiritualization of matter, this
discipline can only help) has not stopped those individuals of certain
quality of sensitivity from tapping the akasic forces notwithstanding their
food preferences.

my uninformed understanding of this is that those who have that certain
quality are born that way. the rest of us must use all prescribed means to
raise our psychic quality, increasing physical vibration, and maintaining
it (by diet).

if i may attempt to paraphrase blavatsky, she (and others, im sure)
describes it somewhat this way: as it is ascertained that all the organs and
other structures of the body renew themselves periodically to the extant
they are *completely* new after a period; those which partake of base
physical experiences (feed the "animal") lower their spiritual and physical
vibration. with every renewal cycle they will engross their physical and
spiritual bodies; while those that strive toward spirit (and care for body)
will undergo a rarification during cellular renewal. this phenomenon of
cellular replenishment is a good thing. i do not have stats at hand, but i
recall that different organs regenerate at different rates - for example,
the heart completely regenerates all cells every 90 days, in the end every
cell in the body is regenerated every 7 years. that is, every 7 years you
are a completely different entity. indeed, since this process is continual,
every moment you are a completely different individual. this is the essence
of material existence - change. only the eternal changeless, the one, (the
ineffable, the unknowable one) is true. [how do i know this? i dont, i
believe it, according to all intuition and logic. i wish to know and
understand it, but must begin with myself] all else is corrupt and
illusion... which all ancient religions say in different ways. however on
the physical plane this changeability can lead to greater things.

for the seeker that means, again according to blavatsky, that one can
actually refine one's physical density. indeed this is required, to keep up
with spiritual growth, otherwise the lower vibrations of the
physical body would hinder the refinement of the finer, interpenetrating,
bodies. such refinement is necessary to grow closer to the one within. the
conciousness unit governing the myriad consciousness units which make up
each of our physical beings, a bit like the sun governs the units
comprising its solarsystem body (including us).

it is for these reasons that correct diet is necessary. nonetheless, in some
amazing way, individuals can be so completely different that some can
(possibly with supra human help) exhibit remarkable abilities based on true
understanding of nature no matter what their normal human habits (meat,
tobacco, moderate alcohol etc), while others need to follow strict
disciplines to achieve but a glimpse of the possible.

of course we must not lose sight of the clear logic implied by injunctions
to clean bodies and vegetable foods only. this is the main, the exceptions
to the rule are anomalies that show whats possible.

that said, im fresh on this group. i must state at the outset that while im
interested in especially the science aspect im reluctant to admit "ufos" and
that dimension to earthly existence. granted, thousands may have experienced
things of that description; hundreds might have met entities otherworldly;
tens might have been transported to other planets (including south africa's
own elizabeth klarer, whose book about her experience , i forget it exactly
- a long time ago - but is something like "transcending the light barrier";
she claims nasa ordered 20 copies; is a beautiful poetic read and certainly
not a con job, whatever else it is.) and single ones might have direct
contact with "space brothers" or such, however it would appear to me that
all these experiences are contacts with one or other of the infintismal
lifes co-existant and that the paucity of human expression, struggling to
convey the experience, holds on to aliens, etc, the product of fertile
earthly imagination, in order to describe it; and through the collective
unconcious, the conciousness unit of the human race, the imagery is
perpetuated. sure life exists on other planets, but not in the same way
physical life exits on ours.

thats what i think anyway.

go well
--
best regards,
alan
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[Tony P.]

am i banned or something? should i just unsubscribe from the board if
my posts never get posted after waiting for days?

[David Wilcock]

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> am i banned or something? should i just unsubscribe from the board if
> my posts never get posted after waiting for days?

dw: in order to free up over 10 hours of my time each week or more, we had
shifted to a volunteer moderating staff that is outside of my immediate
control or involvement. however, right for now the holiday seasons seem to
have caused huge delays. so, i'm about to start releasing the juggernaut
here... so all posts from infrequent / new folks will show up in the next
10-15 minutes.

i'm sure that if we had unanimously agreed to go to a subscription-based
list for a very small monthly fee, we would have no such problems - so this
is good for everyone to keep in mind.

peace be with you -

- david

[Tony P.]

yes, i'm replying to my own post. i think i have the answer to if it
were real or not. i think it was. actually, some channeled
information i've found said that i guess the first mission found
aliens and such on the back side of the moon. like base-related and
such.

http://www.citiesoflight.net/kadjin1102.html
scroll down until you find "the first voyage to the moon your
astronauts from the united states decided to go around to the back
side of the moon and sent back a message indicating that there were
menacing looking beings telling them to get off the moon and not come
back."
by the way, i read enough of that site so far to count it as truthful.


--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ni9big3oicu3e1kkyaz4ebnwqafooodh474obc oy1klsdja69_g2aezifzfepf7gc6jxo1dnymgcdwcn), "tony p." <doomstars@y...> wrote:
> if anyone gets a chance to channel someone at a 5th dimension or
> higher, can this unimportant question be asked please? "was the
> u.s.'s first televised moon landing faked or real?" and make sure
it
> is phrased correctly or there might be error.

[Tony E. P.]

i've been searching the law of one books, and i can't find something
i'm looking for. i forget if i read it in this material or somewhere
else. so maybe someone can help me. did it say in the ra material
anything about the galatic federation throwing their weight behind
the allied forces during world war two to help the forces of good win
due to a strong calling? i know i read this once. and i think i can
across it today in another set of material, and i wanted to check the
exact wording cause it's so similar.

[GenoNess1@...]

i think its unfortunate that this list is moderated to the point where people
are unsure of what they are allowed to say. i dont know or care if that
counts for anything, but there it is! i would love to hear about miraculous
events
so if its not appropriate for the list you should just tell me! love, kyle!


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[ozarkmark1]

i have a question for the moderator. would a long story of my life
be appropriate to post if it shows some amazing "miracles" and
events which are similar to david's? i'm feeling a strong connection
with the david/cayce/ra material and i am wondering if i need to
move to louisville. i've had a real awakening in these past two
weeks after reading "reincarnation of edgar cayce" with many signs
from nature supporting my feelings. anyway... -mark

[Chris Hamilton]

from: "ozarkmark1" <ozarkmark@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ns0i9atx0yibvtv4_7noq4g2k-ufjiqgetggmvwnkgwbvmczlq_jnkh-w4ni7jfjst2d5hr11phpy-mq484)>

> i have a question for the moderator. would a long story of my life
> be appropriate to post if it shows some amazing "miracles" and
> events which are similar to david's? anyway... -mark

hi mark, chris here. if the history incorporates learning from ra or david's
work, sure! however, a 5-page disertation might be a little too much:) not
toooo long, eh? now, there are other moderators here (aye, aye, gary,
jeremy). jeremy and gary are not active moderators, but do help david and me
when we we are not available, so maybe they will comment too?

[Chris Hamilton]

> i think its unfortunate that this list is moderated to the point where
people > are unsure of what they are allowed to say. love, kyle!

hi kyle,

i again will say this to the group: post what you want. if it is approved,
ok. if not, and you are finding that most of your posts are being rejected,
then consider that maybe your posts are inapproriate for the subject matter
of this group. as moderator, it is my duty to enforce the group guidelines,
which are posted every few weeks automatically and can also be found in the
files section. there is nothing personal here if i reject a post, please
remember this. i am just enforcing the guidelines. so, on this note, i hope
no one feels " moderated to the point where people are unsure of what they
are allowed to say". i truly want unity here guys:) really, i'm not very
intimidating...go see my pics on pg 1 and 2 of the challenge folder...love
to all (really:) chris

[Lesley Schultz]

dear all, l/l & peace:

--- chris hamilton <chris.hamilton2@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=y6xmfijz8ynadkpecxnxtzhudxviam2m2w-fvwo4qjshllfdvzbi-tak8vu1xarxlsfpamw4phd1ioukqbyzg0vtaqu)>
wrote:
>snip>>would a long story of my life be appropriate to
post if it shows some amazing "miracles" and events
which are similar to david's? anyway...
> -mark
>
> snip>> however, a 5-page disertation might be a
> little too much:) not toooo long, eh?

ls: how about a compromise? perhaps this story could
be posted as a file that could be downloaded at will
rather than a post?

i just have one question for mark: mark, what purpose
do you hope to serve by posting your story on the
list? miracles are wonderful things to hear about,
but we are indeed surrounded by them every minute of
every day. not to say that yours aren't special, and
aren't wonderful and beautiful things, full of
meaning, and wouldn't be interesting to ready or
anything like that. it's just that, the last bit of
your post where you say you're contemplating moving to
ky [or wherever l/l is these days] because you feel
such kinship, makes me think that you're trying to
trace your feelings of revelation back to their
origins and mapping the future for yourself, not
necessarily trying to edify the group.

i think it's safe to say that we'd all love to pack up
and move to where we would feel loved and understood,
where we could feel close kinship [if we're not there
already.] this might not be the best or the only
answer for you, however, mark. i would suggest trying
for a reading with dw, if you can manage it. it might
help you understand a little more about where your
desires are coming from and what your best, truest
service might be.

blessings,
~lesley




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[OzarkMark]

> ls: how about a compromise? perhaps this story could
> be posted as a file that could be downloaded at will
> rather than a post?

hi ls, sorry but i just sent my long post. it was much shorter than
originally.


> i just have one question for mark: mark, what purpose
> do you hope to serve by posting your story on the
> list? miracles are wonderful things to hear about,
> but we are indeed surrounded by them every minute of
> every day. not to say that yours aren't special, and
> aren't wonderful and beautiful things, full of
> meaning, and wouldn't be interesting to ready or
> anything like that. it's just that, the last bit of
> your post where you say you're contemplating moving to
> ky [or wherever l/l is these days] because you feel
> such kinship, makes me think that you're trying to
> trace your feelings of revelation back to their
> origins and mapping the future for yourself, not
> necessarily trying to edify the group.

hmm. i hear what you are saying and i am not sure my post will "edify the
group". maybe i will get edified, and i'll pass it on to others. hope so,
but if not, that's okay too. i guess i am trying to map a future for
myself, but i think others might learn from my process, too.

> i think it's safe to say that we'd all love to pack up
> and move to where we would feel loved and understood,
> where we could feel close kinship [if we're not there
> already.] this might not be the best or the only
> answer for you, however, mark. i would suggest trying
> for a reading with dw, if you can manage it. it might
> help you understand a little more about where your
> desires are coming from and what your best, truest
> service might be.
>
> blessings,
> ~lesley

my feelings of needing to move are not new. my feelings of wanting to be in
a community of like-minded spiritual people is not new. but, my feelings of
"that is what i want, and that is what i'll have" are new. i will find a
place to go where i can be of service and where i will be loved for who i am
and where people are working toward heaven on earth. that might be in
kentucky, or it might be in costa rica, or who knows where. it is not where
i am now, so i'll go with the flow. i have experience with intentional
communities and i know what i want now. as for getting a reading, i would
love to but i understand there is an 8 month wait. that is a long time,
these days. love to you, mark

[bjorn_nitmou]

--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=3arwj0h01qdmhsfadaujb3tzh3anl-0_h6-9anbyng733e8dyjkhg4pxseehmrh5kym8wpzfdwlfkovbabmq1 w), "ozarkmark" <ozarkmark@t...> wrote:
>
> hi ls, sorry but i just sent my long post. it was much shorter than
> originally.
________________
maybe im wrong but i still havnt seen your story posted yet. whats
going on around this place anyway? 5 messages wasting time, giving
this guy all this greif about not being able to post an inspirational
story....things are going overboard lately. i feel sorry for this
guy. ozark, if its not too much trouble could you please send your
story to me personally? i would love to hear it, thanks for sharing.
there are apparently too many gate keepers right now, maybe thats why
jeremy quit?

[NEIL HADDON]

you're doing a sometimes thankless job very, very well, chris. more power to
your elbow.
love.
neil

> i think its unfortunate that this list is moderated to the point where
people > are unsure of what they are allowed to say. love, kyle!

[OzarkMark]

sorry, but my shortened version was still very long and rambling and was not
approved. i'll post it on the l/l site as recommended to me by
carla. -mark

> maybe im wrong but i still havnt seen your story posted yet. whats
> going on around this place anyway? 5 messages wasting time, giving
> this guy all this greif about not being able to post an inspirational
> story....things are going overboard lately. i feel sorry for this
> guy. ozark, if its not too much trouble could you please send your
> story to me personally? i would love to hear it, thanks for sharing.
> there are apparently too many gate keepers right now, maybe thats why
> jeremy quit?

[UziYaH]

shalom family,

in studying ra-law of one, study guide, i see references such as (b1, 161 -
162). to what are these being referenced?

howard



"for what is evil but good tortured by it's own hunger and thirst."
kahlil
gibran

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[Dave]

hi,
i'm new to this group and have some (maybe a lot of) catching up to do.
what is sts and sto that i've seen mentioned?
dave

[David Wilcock]

hi,
i'm new to this group and have some (maybe a lot of) catching up to do.
what is sts and sto that i've seen mentioned?
dave

dw: in general i would prefer that we not use these shorthand symbols for
this very reason. the more "jargon" we use the more cultish it appears and
becomes increasingly difficult for others new to the material to follow
along.

you will notice that any time i ever use these terms in my own writing, i
always write out the definition at least once before doing so.

since this is a law of one study group, we often discuss the positive, or
service to others path and the negative, or service to self path. service to
others is often shortened to sto and service to self to sts.

i find this funny because i had a black bicycle with yellow safety pads back
when i was in fifth grade. i really loved that bike. my neighbor across the
street had a friend who came over from time to time - an older kid - and we
would hang out. when we sealed our driveway we told him that we were worried
about leaving the stuff in the garage out back, but we had to do it.

the next day my bike was gone. i was devastated. however, i had registered
the bike with the scotia police - they had deeply ground a serial number
onto the bottom of the sprocket - it started with a v and had some numbers.

about a week and a half later i saw a poorly spray-painted red bike in my
neighbor's yard across the street. all the pads were gone except for the
yellow pad across the handlebars. i knew right away it was my bike. my
mother called dave, the neighbor, and he marched out front and pulled the
bike up off the ground so hard that it almost flew into the air. he checked
the bottom and though the kid had tried to file it down, he saw the exact
same code that i told him would be on there.

he marched the bike back over to me across the street and returned it, and
proceeded to read the kid the riot act and drove him home to "out" him to
his parents as well.

the mystique of the bike had been ruined, and my father replied soon
afterwards by buying mike and me mountain bikes, which was really cool.

why am i telling you all this? one memory is very distinctive. the one
handlebar pad that the kid left on the bike, which was what completely gave
him away as the criminal, had three distinct letters on it:

sts.

i admire that "coincidence" every time these abbreviations are used now.

peace be with you -

- david





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[Robin Ramage]

hi dave welcome to the group...

ive been a member for a while here but havent posted for years, its
amazing how time flys! i keep looking in on the forums from time to
time and i've got a few minutes spare to post so here we go, forgive
me if im a little rusty!

> what is sts and sto that i've seen mentioned?

ok sts and sto are abbreviations of the terms service to self and
service to others, used by ra in the law of one material. the terms
are very general in nature and represent a path of seeking that an
entity has the choice to follow.

i could expand on the deeper meaning of sts and sto but i believe
you would gain a greater understanding by studying the ra material
yourself, i can personaly recommend you take a look at the law of
one study guide. this is where i began my journey through the
material and it is a great starting point for the enlightenment that
awaits you, should you choose to follow.

the law of one study guide can be found in the library section of
davids new great looking and easy to navigate website ;)

or you can follow this link here -

http://www.divinecosmos.com/cms/index.php?
option=com_content&task=category&sectionid=6&id=23&itemid=36

if you take the leap and begin studying the material, im sure the
forum will be more than happy to answer any further questions that
may arise on the way... trust me there will be!

kind regards,

robin