shadow people and the LoO

[Charles Cox]

This post will have at least two parts -- both revolving about
questions which I would hope someone more 'in the know' may
resolve. Its focus will be the phenomenon of "Shadow People" as
described, for example, in Wikipedia. Both I and my mother have
experienced them to varying extent in 'dreams' so the situation for
me is personal to say the least.

I should mention that I post this with some degree of caution as
demonstrated by the following story. Once, after having an
experience with this phenomenon, my mother wrote about her
experience on her computer. She recalls that she was quite thorough
in the transcription in an effort to understand the encounters.
Within a week her computer was infested with a tough virus which,
among other things, wiped out the file mentioned above. As such
I've been very cautious by not recording my own experiences, and
have chosen (partially on a whim, accompanied by 11:33 on the
clock) to approach the issue via this message board. I will NOT
include any "specifics" for the reasons eluded to above.

My first question has to do with their relationship to the LoO model
(yes, as I see it, the LoO is a cosmological/spiritual model though
a very compelling and intriguing one at that). Specifically, would
they be an example of an orion member? Is there any evidence
related to their phenomenon in a passage within LoO text? If so I
have not found it...

My second question is less on target. While the experience for me
has never lead to an "abduction," it supposedly has for my mother.
Particularly near the time when I was an infant and/or in her womb.
I'd like to know more about what/who they are and what it is they
seem to want. I'd like to get a better understanding of who they
target and, if possible, why. I feel a suitable question to begin
with to this end is: have others had these experiences? If so, have
others' experiences shed any light on these queries?

I should mention that I'm willing to disclose specifics of the
encounters privately or, potentially, upon request on this forum but
I do not feel it is wise or useful to provide them at this time.

Thanks,
Charles Cox

[Pi]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=_oy7hoCtqOtLos5V6tR3SH5vjJt6n918PxRKBJ gYdnBK_A9oPcF1-bdmJ_tvGJlqQqSHDfK3dr-V3NPo9YA), "Charles Cox" <eyez4096@...> wrote:
This post will ... focus will be the phenomenon of "Shadow People" as
described, for example, in Wikipedia.
My first question has to do with their relationship to the LoO model
... Specifically, would they be an example of an orion member? Is
there any evidence related to their phenomenon in a passage within
LoO text? If so I have not found it...

Pi: i've looked in Ra material for mention of shadow people, & i also
find nothing. In Session 12 of Book 1, Ra says "there are no entities
of either group (Confederation and Orion) walking among you at this
time. ...the crusaders of Orion use two types of entities to do their
bidding, shall we say. The first type is the thought-form; the
second, a kind of robot."

Afterward, Ra says, "Men in Black are a thought-form type of entity
which have some beingness to their make-up. They have certain
physical characteristics given them. However, their true vibrational
nature is w/o third-density vibrational characteristics &, therefore,
they are able to materialize and dematerialize when necessary.
DE: Are all of these Men in Black then used by the Orion crusaders?
RA: ...This is correct."

That's the only mention in LoO that i find about visible energy forms
in 3-d that Orion creates to promote the purpose of service-to-self.

Men in black appeared to me once & almost literally frightened me to
death. There were either 4 or 5, who suddenly appeared directly in my
line of vision. Each walked at a slow pace across a highway, wearing
tall straw hats & farmer-type overalls. Two had a long corn cob pipe
in their mouths. They appeared to be in a funeral procession, a dead
body in their midst on a stretcher two of them were carrying. At the
time, i was driving 70 mph at 2:30 am on deserted interstate highway.
By miracle, the car fishtailed but stayed on the road when i swerved
to avoid hitting the men in black. As i passed, i realized i'd 'seen'
an imaginary scene. Really cool-looking folk! One female, 4 males. It
occurred in February, 1988...

Charles: While the experience for me has never lead to an abduction,
it supposedly has for my mother. Particularly near the time when I
was an infant and/or in her womb. I'd like to know more about what/
who they are and what it is they seem to want. I'd like to get a
better understanding of who they target and, if possible, why.

Pi: Have had nothing resembling abduction experience. This may sound
too stretched for you to consider, but in case it's not, imo, the way
you describe things impresses me as past lfe energy involving you and
your mom in experiences that created karma that you & she pre-planned
to resolve this life cycle.

i find only two L/L research.org channelings referring to abductions.
They suggest Orion sends us a type of thought energy that we naively
use to 'create' perceptions of personal abduction experiences. Since
we're prone to fear the 'unknown', we deny our self opportunities to
look for other reasons to explain impressions of having been abducted
and instead view the Orion thought energy as an ET contact. (i'm not
referring to UFO sightings here, only to abductions.) The 2 channeled
transcripts are dated 1/4/76 and 7/1/90. The latter in particular is
an in-depth 'summary' of why abductions are real, but they really are
a 'real' creation of the mind.

On the other hand, practically all that we experience is, too... As
is the Love & Peace energy being conveyed with this message. Pi

[bluephoenix010]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=McezfVKzDVMSGNFS7oswSZ_Bq07VA1bRNOrVN2 K0SpduL9af_5lXt-fVmpD9qt00dsiO2dNQg7NitRk), "Charles Cox" <eyez4096@...> wrote:
> My first question has to do with their relationship to the LoO
model
> (yes, as I see it, the LoO is a cosmological/spiritual model though
> a very compelling and intriguing one at that). Specifically, would
> they be an example of an orion member? Is there any evidence
> related to their phenomenon in a passage within LoO text? If so I
> have not found it...


Well, the internet wasn't really up and running in a big way time
when LoO was channeled. (1981 LoO was channeled. Mid 90's commercial
internet became available I believe)

I wouldn't know if it was an Orion member. I've had something
similar. E-mail, phone and regular people all quite completely
playing up around a circumstance. For me it could well have been a
feeling of reluctance within me that slowed everything down. Perhaps
your mother has some reluctance about the transcribing?

Or it could be an Orion thing. Who knows. Doubt it was a coincidence
for you. The best thing I would say is to not be frightened of
writing things in the future because if it were an Orion thing, they
would be getting what they want if you did. (Just back up files a
whole bunch of times and hand write etc.)

> I will NOT
> include any "specifics" for the reasons eluded to above.

Lol, not that I think that was unwarrented in any way. It's still
quite funny.

[Petrus]

Hi Charles,
I should possibly be answering this off-list, given the nature of my
reply...however, since I feel that it does tie in with what Ra has to say
about the Orions somewhat, we'll just have to see if Chris is feeling
generous at the moment. ;-)

>I'd like to know more about what/who they are and what it is they
>seem to want. I'd like to get a better understanding of who they
>target and, if possible, why. I feel a suitable question to begin

If by Shadow People you're talking about who are also commonly identified as
the Greys/Reticulans, then I can answer you there. I've spent probably
twenty of my thirty years of life studying that particular group, and have
unfortunately also had a large number of nightmares concerning
them...although I'm not willing to say definitively that I have actually
been abducted.

As for what they want...the short answer is to induce as much fear as
possible in the people they abduct, as well as a sense of near total
helplessness, which from memory is something that Ra does mention. They're
basically the extraterrestrial answer to Al Qaeda...that might be a bit of
an oversimplification, but the analogy works.

I think in doing that, they have a couple of different objectives...but the
single main one is to cause human beings to make a negative generalisation
about all extraterrestrial life, (i.e., to cause us to think that *everyone*
out there is negative/hostile in intent, when Ra has told us that that's not
the case) as well as to possibly try and persuade us against the idea of
going further into space. I believe that their reason for doing this is
possibly that there are other positive groups out there that could be
enormously empowering and beneficial to us if we were able to make contact
with them, but that the Greys really want to prevent us from reaching. The
reason for that could be as simple as what Ra says about the Orions'
tendency to want to hold people back/down in general. The sightings of UFOs
claimed by Buzz Aldrin are supportive of this idea, I believe, and suggest
that the lunar landing was subject to extraterrestrial supervision. I'm
also inclined to believe that if, as many have claimed, the American
government knows more about extraterrestrials than they have been willing to
admit, that such may also have a lot to do with why we haven't been back to
the Moon since the initial landing.

In terms of who they target...One thing I'll say is that from what I've
read, and from a couple of abductees I've spoken to, they only target people
in lightly populated areas; abductions in the centre of major cities don't
happen, at least in my observation. You might remember that Whitley
Strieber's initial experiences at least were in a holiday house where there
was nobody else around for miles...and that is entirely consistent. It's
always somewhere remote and lonely, and usually between the hours of around
two and five in the morning...a time and place where the targets are
guaranteed to be entirely beyond help. My girlfriend has wanted our next
house to be somewhere rural, and this is in itself the single main reason
why I have been opposed to that idea.

Aside from those criteria however, I don't believe there are normally any
unusual characteristics of people who are taken. Strieber was supposed to
have had temporal lobe epilepsy, but I've both read about and known people
who were entirely normal, and relatively lucid/rational individuals when it
happened.

For anyone who wants to avoid (or at least minimise) the possibility of
being abducted, those however are my two main pieces of advice:- Live in a
densely populated area, and if you can, get a job which requires/allows you
to be awake during the proverbial third and fourth watches of the night.
Avoid camping trips or any other situation which is going to cause you to be
isolated and vulnerable at night...although that is probably good advice for
avoiding entirely human threats as well. ;-)

>with to this end is: have others had these experiences? If so, have
>others' experiences shed any light on these queries?

Many, many people have had such experiences. Although a lot have come
forward, I tend to suspect that there are many more who have been taken but
who aren't talking, for various reasons.