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David Wilcock
11-15-2006, 09:36 AM
howdy folks,
apparently it ??s a good thing when i create misunderstandings ?? generates a
lot more on-topic participation, which is ultimately what we want. to have it
all erupt over three letters, though, is rather surprising.
i used the word ??ego ? in the conventional psychological sense. it is derived
from the german word ich, which means ??i ? . here are some definitions for you
from http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ego. notice that the hideously
emotionally charged take on the word that some people have is only one out of
six (really seven) definitions:
dictionary.com unabridged (v 1.0.1) - cite this source
ego /igo, ?go/ pronunciation key - show spelled pronunciation [ee-goh, eg-oh]
pronunciation key - show ipa pronunciation
??noun, plural egos.
1. the ??i ? or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and
willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of
its thought.
2. psychoanalysis. the part of the psychic apparatus that experiences and reacts
to the outside world and thus mediates between the primitive drives of the id
and the demands of the social and physical environment.
3. egotism; conceit; self-importance: her ego becomes more unbearable each day.
4. self-esteem or self-image; feelings: your criticism wounded his ego.
5. (often initial capital letter) philosophy.
a. the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
b. scholasticism. the complete person comprising both body and soul.
6. ethnology. a person who serves as the central reference point in the study of
organizational and kinship relationships.
[origin: 1780 ??90; < l: i; psychoanalytic term is trans. of g (das) ich (the)
i]
dw: so there you have it: the ego is defined as the enduring and conscious
element in you that knows experience; it is your sense of self-esteem and
self-image, your thoughts, feelings and emotions, how you experience and react
to the outside world.
in the law of one series, ra did attempt to avoid the confusion by circumventing
the word, as someone already mentioned. in its place they used the term
"personality self" to mean the same thing as the distillation of meanings i just
summarized in the previous paragraph. in my own case i have had people throw
such venomous hatred at me in the past over this word that i'm personally
claiming it back, and stand by the term "healthy ego" as defined above.
let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
"it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it does not
understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of the game.
the minute that someone says they "have no ego" or have "transcended the ego,"
then you automatically know you are dealing with a person who is 'confused', as
ra would say.
the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with this is my
all-time favorite. it is a quote that can never be re-iterated often enough. it
was in answer to the question of whether the idea of an individual self should
be obliterated in the search for nirvana, or enlightenment. the answer was very
revealing of what the game is really about, and a good law of one scholar should
have this right at the top of the list of familiar quotations - particularly
since everyone keeps asking what their purpose is:
"the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience all things
desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these experiences, distilling
the love and [wisdom] contained within them. nothing is to be overcome; that
which is not needed falls away."
you cannot have your personality self "fall away" in the process of being an
incarnate human - it is impossible. that moment would be known as death.
ironically my dream this morning seemed to have participated in this discussion.
here is a rare excerpt directly out of this morning's dream log:
- near the end there was a large gathering of people in a central room of this
castle
- all the interior walls were stone and everyone was dressed in traditional
costume
- there was a focus on a pie ?? specifically on how big of a piece there was
- i had had a certain piece in mind but then it seemed to start getting passed
around before i had the chance
- however, some woman seemed to know that i ??d had my heart set on a piece, and
deliberately carved it out and handed it to me from across the table
- now it was more like birthday cake, whereas before it was blueberry pie
- once i got my birthday cake, the whole meeting seemed to turn into a
celebration
- specifically we were celebrating the life of abraham lincoln
- walter cronkite got up in a visible area and was making a passionate speech
about lincoln
- the key phrases were, ??if someone ever tries to say that lincoln had an ego,
i won ??t even listen to them. he is a great leader, a wonderful man, and he is
my friend. ?
- on that note, everyone seemed to raise their glasses and toast him ??
agreeing with cronkite
- at this point i started to wake up
dw: the key point here is that my own higher self is weighing in on the
discussion through dreams. i do not try to fight for a bigger piece of the pie,
or whatever - but i do have to have healthy boundaries. lincoln was used as an
example of someone who really understood leadership. the symbolism of the
birthday cake, to me, shows that i've transcended the idea of fighting over who
gets a bigger piece, and just focusing on being the best person i can be. it is
as if there is a new, uh, personality self being born in the midst of all this
catalyst.
- david
Mariano Kenny
11-15-2006, 02:48 PM
so are there people who are enlightened living right now on earth? like eckhart
tolle for example or sai baba ,etc.
it sounds like a silly question and i dont know why i am interested in the
answer .., perhaps because of the idea of enlightenment that promises us
fullfillment and the end of suffering.
i think there are degrees in enlightenment , also i believe that self worth
sometimes
its linked to spiritual enlightenment, like i want to be enlightened and ill
be ok and better than others..
anyways just some thoughts i have , hope makes sense to someone what i mean...
david wilcock <djw333@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=sgqykjhhnhxb5ahug1m3y8ewmbqoi-xgafbdreeprrkepdz-4y-ldrdmi0ia19nqdu8b2_neicws9kdeqgk)> wrote:
let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
"it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it does not
understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of the game.
the minute that someone says they "have no ego" or have "transcended the ego,"
then you automatically know you are dealing with a person who is 'confused', as
ra would say.
a good law of one scholar should have this right at the top of the list of
familiar quotations - particularly since everyone keeps asking what their
purpose is:
"the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience all things
desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these experiences, distilling
the love and [wisdom] contained within them. nothing is to be overcome; that
which is not needed falls away."
you cannot have your personality self "fall away" in the process of being an
incarnate human - it is impossible. that moment would be known as death.
Michael Abrient
11-15-2006, 04:18 PM
on 11/15/06, mariano kenny <makenny@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=2ydwakeb15ikuiwuq2cfebjvyx0wbyxmcewhfw pj3acj4hzvdjw6sxmu4t20l52h7vwgfcslpw)> wrote:
>
> so are there people who are enlightened living right now on earth? like
> eckhart tolle for example or sai baba ,etc.
a : dunno... what does being enlightened mean to you?
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laura
11-15-2006, 04:18 PM
hiya david
what a pleasure to read posts directly written by you on this
forum.
yes i do agree with you that you need a healthy ego.. when dealing
with the lower realms... while we are just realizing our selves as
the
physical, astral and causal being we need the ego to navigate and
to
choose and make decissions... from rajinda singh's book empowering
your soul through meditation.. i dont know if anyone is familiar
with
his work he is amazing, transended all the realms and a humble
spiritual teacher... i first learnt meditation and going inwards
through him which changed my life and the start of my ego aware
spiritual journey he he www.sos.org is science of spirituality if
anyone is interested... when we reach the spiritual dimension we
shed
our ego to become purely spiritual... and this is like dying...
this is what is meant when they says you can die while you are alive...
so at death we shed the ego though we can also shed the ego while we
are
alive.... many people find this hard cos there so attached
understandably). hey i aint even been to the astral realm yet..
so i
need my ego lol or i wouldnt have much choice i would just be...
so i
cant talk from personal experiance...
so its right we do need a healthy ego while dealing with these
realms
otherwise without the ego how could we make choices...
so i guess when we shed the ego, when we become spiritual and
finally
engulfed and merge with prime creator as best we can while we have
a body.. then when we transend back through the realms to our
physical
body, we must get the ego back again so we can live in the lower
realms.... i am sure the ego would be very humble at that point he
he...
love to all
from
laura
xxx
Jenifer Ransom
11-15-2006, 11:55 PM
note from moderator: in jen's post, she responds to dw's post. however, we all
understand that jen's questions are to be answered by our very knowledgeable
group, not dw.
on nov 15, 2006, at 9:36 am, david wilcock wrote:
> <snip>
> apparently it?s a good thing when i create misunderstandings ?
> generates a lot more on-topic participation, which is ultimately what
> we want. to have it all erupt over three letters, though, is rather
> surprising.
of course, there's another three-letter word that has occasioned even
more misunderstandings...yes, "dog" is a hot topic, alright! :-)
i realize that as you said, david, you've withdrawn from the
discussion, anyone who wishes
to comment on anything i say here is welcome, of course...
<skip>
>
>
> dw: so there you have it: the ego is defined as the enduring and
> conscious element in you that knows experience; it is your sense of
> self-esteem and self-image, your thoughts, feelings and emotions, how
> you experience and react to the outside world.
as i said in my previous posts, it does all come down to semantics.
there are many ways
to approach the subject of ego, all valid in themselves, including the
above definition.
>
> in the law of one series, ra did attempt to avoid the confusion by
> circumventing the word, as someone already mentioned. in its place
> they used the term "personality self" to mean the same thing as the
> distillation of meanings i just summarized in the previous paragraph.
> in my own case i have had people throw such venomous hatred at me in
> the past over this word that i'm personally claiming it back, and
> stand by the term "healthy ego" as defined above.
i understand, and agree that there is such as thing as healthy ego,
but there certainly is unhealthy ego as well.
it strikes me that if you are indeed the reincarnation of edgar cayce,
ego may be
an important theme for you in balancing cayce's self-abnegation.
>
> let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
>
> "it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it
> does not understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of
> the game.
does not understand what? i feel i understand some things very well,
others not as well,
and some things not at all. but for me, to say simply i don't
understand, is too nebulous
and all-encompassing a statement.
>
> the minute that someone says they "have no ego" or have "transcended
> the ego," then you automatically know you are dealing with a person
> who is 'confused', as ra would say.
well, i personally don't know of anyone who has claimed that, including
eckhart tolle.
i think mariano said that tolle claimed he had transcended the ego. i
think that's
probably hearsay, or an assumption. i do believe his teaching is
sufficient evidence that
he's attained a relatively enlightened state.
> the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with this
> is my all-time favorite. it is a quote that can never be re-iterated
> often enough. it was in answer to the question of whether the idea of
> an individual self should be obliterated in the search for nirvana, or
> enlightenment. the answer was very revealing of what the game is
> really about, and a good law of one scholar should have this right at
> the top of the list of familiar quotations - particularly since
> everyone keeps asking what their purpose is:
>
> "the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience
> all things desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these
> experiences, distilling the love and [wisdom] contained within them.
> nothing is to be overcome; that which is not needed falls away."
yes, i agree with that. but doesn't that statement contradict the
earlier one quoted,
that it is necessary to realize one doesn't understand?
>
> you cannot have your personality self "fall away" in the process of
> being an incarnate human - it is impossible. that moment would be
> known as death.
perhaps we can retain the healthy ego aspects of self-esteem, etc.,
while letting go of
the unhealthy aspects such as fear, separation consciousness etc.
<skip>
>
> dw: the key point here is that my own higher self is weighing in on
> the discussion through dreams. i do not try to fight for a bigger
> piece of the pie, or whatever - but i do have to have healthy
> boundaries. lincoln was used as an example of someone who really
> understood leadership. the symbolism of the birthday cake, to me,
> shows that i've transcended the idea of fighting over who gets a
> bigger piece, and just focusing on being the best person i can be. it
> is as if there is a new, uh, personality self being born in the midst
> of all this catalyst.
that was an interesting dream. well, you are multidimensional of
course, and we
create ourselves anew all the time. in focusing on the best we can be,
our best only
gets better.
onward...
jen
>
> - david
[non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Marina
11-16-2006, 04:51 AM
((((david))))
thank you for sharing your beautiful dream and shining your light!
i am marina, from the netherlands, just joined (y)our onederfull
group, namaste,
marina
--- in answer to "david wilcock" ---
dibbyruth
11-16-2006, 07:50 AM
dear david and all,
just want to add this. the origin of "ego" is latin. it means "i."
from the online etymology dictionary:
http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=ego
1714, as a term in metaphysics, from l. ego "i" (cognate with o.e. ic,
see i). psychoanalytic sense is 1910; sense of "conceit" is 1891.
egocentric is from 1900; ego-trip first recorded 1969. egomania is
from 1825; egomaniac is from 1890.
blessings to all,
ruth
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=ga7jqr83cwoaqfwgx5undhg30eqoq-8dvnusczeh6d0tcabvs9nixijojels3crif7b0j8gdn_zxzpeu ), "david wilcock" <djw333@...> wrote:
> dictionary.com unabridged (v 1.0.1) - cite this source
> ego /igo, ?go/ pronunciation key - show spelled pronunciation
[ee-goh, eg-oh] pronunciation key - show ipa pronunciation
> ?"noun, plural egos.
>
> 1. the ??i ? or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling,
and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and
from objects of its thought.
>
> 2. psychoanalysis. the part of the psychic apparatus that
experiences and reacts to the outside world and thus mediates between
the primitive drives of the id and the demands of the social and
physical environment.
>
> 3. egotism; conceit; self-importance: her ego becomes more
unbearable each day.
>
> 4. self-esteem or self-image; feelings: your criticism wounded his ego.
>
> 5. (often initial capital letter) philosophy.
> a. the enduring and conscious element that knows experience.
>
> b. scholasticism. the complete person comprising both body and
soul.
>
> 6. ethnology. a person who serves as the central reference point in
the study of organizational and kinship relationships.
>
> [origin: 1780 ?"90; < l: i; psychoanalytic term is trans. of g (das)
ich (the) i]
>
>
> dw: so there you have it: the ego is defined as the enduring and
conscious element in you that knows experience; it is your sense of
self-esteem and self-image, your thoughts, feelings and emotions, how
you experience and react to the outside world.
>
> in the law of one series, ra did attempt to avoid the confusion by
circumventing the word, as someone already mentioned. in its place
they used the term "personality self" to mean the same thing as the
distillation of meanings i just summarized in the previous paragraph.
in my own case i have had people throw such venomous hatred at me in
the past over this word that i'm personally claiming it back, and
stand by the term "healthy ego" as defined above.
>
> let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
>
> "it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it
does not understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of
the game.
>
> the minute that someone says they "have no ego" or have "transcended
the ego," then you automatically know you are dealing with a person
who is 'confused', as ra would say.
>
> the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with this
is my all-time favorite. it is a quote that can never be re-iterated
often enough. it was in answer to the question of whether the idea of
an individual self should be obliterated in the search for nirvana, or
enlightenment. the answer was very revealing of what the game is
really about, and a good law of one scholar should have this right at
the top of the list of familiar quotations - particularly since
everyone keeps asking what their purpose is:
>
> "the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience
all things desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these
experiences, distilling the love and [wisdom] contained within them.
nothing is to be overcome; that which is not needed falls away."
>
> you cannot have your personality self "fall away" in the process of
being an incarnate human - it is impossible. that moment would be
known as death.
>
> ironically my dream this morning seemed to have participated in this
discussion. here is a rare excerpt directly out of this morning's
dream log:
>
> - near the end there was a large gathering of people in a central
room of this castle
> - all the interior walls were stone and everyone was dressed in
traditional costume
> - there was a focus on a pie ?" specifically on how big of a piece
there was
> - i had had a certain piece in mind but then it seemed to start
getting passed around before i had the chance
> - however, some woman seemed to know that i ??d had my heart set on
a piece, and deliberately carved it out and handed it to me from
across the table
> - now it was more like birthday cake, whereas before it was
blueberry pie
> - once i got my birthday cake, the whole meeting seemed to turn into
a celebration
> - specifically we were celebrating the life of abraham lincoln
> - walter cronkite got up in a visible area and was making a
passionate speech about lincoln
> - the key phrases were, ??if someone ever tries to say that lincoln
had an ego, i won ??t even listen to them. he is a great leader, a
wonderful man, and he is my friend. ?
> - on that note, everyone seemed to raise their glasses and toast him
?" agreeing with cronkite
> - at this point i started to wake up
>
> dw: the key point here is that my own higher self is weighing in on
the discussion through dreams. i do not try to fight for a bigger
piece of the pie, or whatever - but i do have to have healthy
boundaries. lincoln was used as an example of someone who really
understood leadership. the symbolism of the birthday cake, to me,
shows that i've transcended the idea of fighting over who gets a
bigger piece, and just focusing on being the best person i can be. it
is as if there is a new, uh, personality self being born in the midst
of all this catalyst.
>
> - david
>
Jenifer Ransom
11-16-2006, 01:59 PM
i'm trimming this post in hopes that someone(s) will have answers to the
questions i pose here, which may have gone unnoticed among the other
stuff - jen
on nov 15, 2006, at 11:55 pm, jenifer ransom wrote:
> note from moderator: in jen's post, she responds to dw's post.
> however, we all understand that jen's questions are to be answered by
> our very knowledgeable group, not dw.
>
> on nov 15, 2006, at 9:36 am, david wilcock wrote:
>
<snip>
>>
>> let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
>>
>> "it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it
>> does not understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of
>> the game.
>
> does not understand what? i feel i understand some things very well,
> others not as well,
> and some things not at all. but for me, to say simply i don't
> understand, is too nebulous
> and all-encompassing a statement.
<skip>
>> the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with this
>> is my all-time favorite. it is a quote that can never be re-iterated
>> often enough. it was in answer to the question of whether the idea of
>> an individual self should be obliterated in the search for nirvana, or
>> enlightenment. the answer was very revealing of what the game is
>> really about, and a good law of one scholar should have this right at
>> the top of the list of familiar quotations - particularly since
>> everyone keeps asking what their purpose is:
>>
>> "the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience
>> all things desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these
>> experiences, distilling the love and [wisdom] contained within them.
>> nothing is to be overcome; that which is not needed falls away."
>
> yes, i agree with that. but doesn't that statement contradict the
> earlier one quoted,
> that it is necessary to realize one doesn't understand?
jen
whtkrst
11-16-2006, 06:35 PM
hi jen! the way i see it, understanding our experiences, the
experiences we choose to have, is different from expecting to
understand all there is. it seems healthier to approach your seeking
with the idea that you may never understand everything. think about an
experience you've had that made you a wiser person. first you had the
experience. then you peeled through the layers of the experience
asking "what if" or "if only", analyzing every facet of it. then
through the acceptance of that experience, the acceptance of what is,
you come to understand why you may have chosen to go through it all in
the first place. we gain wisdom through this process. so there is
really no contradiction here. if i choose, i may understand as many
or as few experiences as i want. but as far as understanding every
mystery of the universe..i may have to wait until i'm ready to
understand it. much l & l, krista
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=sbatlztk2z4hbwh2bdclnut0wiaswgihtiw7io xecpnywvn-o2ys6wgafvrjtaxg-ei_ioe20sg4uegf2a), jenifer ransom <jenifer@...> wrote:
>
> i'm trimming this post in hopes that someone(s) will have answers to the
> questions i pose here, which may have gone unnoticed among the other
> stuff - jen
>
> on nov 15, 2006, at 11:55 pm, jenifer ransom wrote:
>
> > note from moderator: in jen's post, she responds to dw's post.
> > however, we all understand that jen's questions are to be answered by
> > our very knowledgeable group, not dw.
> >
> > on nov 15, 2006, at 9:36 am, david wilcock wrote:
> >
> <snip>
> >>
> >> let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
> >>
> >> "it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it
> >> does not understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of
> >> the game.
> >
> > does not understand what? i feel i understand some things very well,
> > others not as well,
> > and some things not at all. but for me, to say simply i don't
> > understand, is too nebulous
> > and all-encompassing a statement.
>
> <skip>
>
> >> the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with this
> >> is my all-time favorite. it is a quote that can never be re-iterated
> >> often enough. it was in answer to the question of whether the idea of
> >> an individual self should be obliterated in the search for
nirvana, or
> >> enlightenment. the answer was very revealing of what the game is
> >> really about, and a good law of one scholar should have this right at
> >> the top of the list of familiar quotations - particularly since
> >> everyone keeps asking what their purpose is:
> >>
> >> "the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience
> >> all things desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these
> >> experiences, distilling the love and [wisdom] contained within them.
> >> nothing is to be overcome; that which is not needed falls away."
> >
> > yes, i agree with that. but doesn't that statement contradict the
> > earlier one quoted,
> > that it is necessary to realize one doesn't understand?
>
> jen
>
dibbyruth
11-16-2006, 08:02 PM
dear jen,
i see what you mean about the apparent conflict. i'm no scholar, but
maybe i can try my hand at this one:
jen wrote:
>let's not forget some core law of one principles in this discussion:
>
>"it is entirely necessary that an entity consciously realize that it
>does not understand" in order to be able ascend to the next level of
>the game.
>
>does not understand what? i feel i understand some things very well,
>others not as well,
>and some things not at all. but for me, to say simply i don't
>understand, is too nebulous
>and all-encompassing a statement.
ruth:
i think that ra speaks specifically about understanding the law of one
here.
here it is in context:
16.36
question: i am assuming that it is not necessary for an individual to
understand the law of one to go from the third to the fourth density.
is this correct?
ra: i am ra. it is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously
realize it does not understand [the loo] in order for it to be
harvestable. understanding is not of this density.
ruth:
i assume, again, that ra speak of understanding the loo, when in the
last sentence they say "understanding is not of this density."
jen:
>the other absolutely essential law of one quote that deals with >this....
>"the primary purpose of an entity is, in this density, to experience
>all things desired, to then analyze, accept and understand these
>experiences, distilling the love and [wisdom] contained within them.
>nothing is to be overcome; that which is not needed falls away."
> >
> > yes, i agree with that. but doesn't that statement contradict the
> > earlier one quoted,
> > that it is necessary to realize one doesn't understand?
18.5
question: thank you. i have a question here that i will read: "much
of the mystic tradition of seeking on earth holds the belief that the
individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world
ignored for the individual to reach "nirvana," as it is called, or
enlightenment. what is the proper role of the individual self and its
worldly activities to aid an individual to grow more into the law of
one?"
answer: i am ra. the proper role of the entity is in this density to
experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept
these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them.
nothing shall be overcome....
it is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any
desire. it must instead be understood and accepted. this takes
patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with
compassion for self and for other-self.
ruth: i think here ra speak about experiencing, analyzing, accepting
and understanding the desires (rather than attempting to "overcome"
them.) aside from these questions i admire your scholarship. thank
you for pointing out 18.5. it's a good one.
blessings to all,
ruth
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> i'm trimming this post in hopes that someone(s) will have answers
dear jen,
beautiful glimpse of the process from cayce reading 262-52:
"hence, in the fruits of that - as is given oft, as the fruits of the
spirit, does man become aware of the infinite penetrating, or
interpenetrating the activities of all force of matter, or that which
is a manifestation of the realm of the infinite into the finite - and
the finite becomes conscious of same." nina
cjhayden@...>
11-17-2006, 07:19 AM
hi david.
if you get a chance could you help me out with a dream/vision?
everytime in bed a drift of to sleep for a moment i have some sort of dream like
thing. it usuall only lasts a few seconds or a minute, these are not like
dreams, the more vivid but not what id call a lucid dream were its crystal clear
and you have control, the content are not like ordanary dreams either, its like
a hybrid between a normall dream and a lucid one, mostly i see places, hear
names, numbers and so on.
anyway, i have a driving test coming up soon and about a week ago after id done
a pre-test i had one of these dreams that night, it was the instuctor and myself
talking in the car just like the acutuall event but when the subject of what
time the test is came up, either him or myself said 1.00 o'clock (i cant
remember who) but it is at 11.00 dec 1st.
the problem is ive always thought this was myself communicating with me or
someone else, and i took this infomation as fact and not to be interpeted like a
dream.
is it just my mind running through things and notting more?
what do ya think?
cheers
chris
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dw: the key point here is that my own higher self is weighing in on the
discussion through dreams. i do not try to fight for a bigger piece of the pie,
or whatever - but i do have to have healthy boundaries. lincoln was used as an
example of someone who really understood leadership. the symbolism of the
birthday cake, to me, shows that i've transcended the idea of fighting over who
gets a bigger piece, and just focusing on being the best person i can be. it is
as if there is a new, uh, personality self being born in the midst of all this
catalyst.
- david
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bercano
11-17-2006, 07:22 AM
...to me
ego = i go = motion/movement...that which ( ego/iam ) derived
out of its unchangable-iam...that defines, identifies,
experiences 'as' = doership/iam
while the unchangable-iam and changable-iam is interrelated/
interchangable~~~
dream
- near the end there was a large gathering of people in a
central room of this castle.........a gathering, all aspects,
2getherness/2gatherness = into one/self ( near the end, no
end-no-beginning..central-room/center-point circular....one,
is the castle...the many mansions.
all the interior walls were stone and everyone was dressed in
traditional costume.............interior stone
walls...remaining self-imposed limitations....the traditional
costumes...remaining self-imposed conditions, also due to
doership, its ego-self-identifications...social costumes/
customs
there was a focus on a pie ?" specifically on how big of a
piece there was....focus on a pie/*pi* = unchangable self/
whole-pi/pie.......its fragmentations piece/peace that id's,
defines, that experiences piece/peace iam
> - i had had a certain piece in mind but then it seemed to
start getting passed "around"/whole.... before i had the
chance....smilinggg
however, some woman seemed to know that i ??d had my heart
set on a piece, and deliberately carved it out and handed it
to me from across the table....loves that!!.....female-side,
heart-set= navigated by/due to feelings/feel-god/
good...deliberately-carved/deliberate-conscious creation =
across/a cross...holy/sacred piece/peace table/template that
you are
now it was more like birthday cake, whereas before it was
blueberry pie....self-birthing-day/light upon that which is
piece(d)/peace fragmented cake...a union-whole/holy-cake
blue-berry....element throat chakra...the ability to speak
ones truth
once i got my birthday cake, the whole meeting seemed to turn
into a celebration...a whole-meeting = merging/turn-full
circle-celebration
specifically we were celebrating the life of abraham lincoln
- walter cronkite got up in a visible area and was making
a passionate speech about lincoln...to president/lead(er)
oneself...observer-fragmented-self eg. walter
cronkite....lolll sooo cool
walter cronkite got up in a **visible area** and was making a
passionate speech about lincoln
...that which is president/leading...the self-iam-invisible/
unchangable...versus the visible-iam/changable....the
agreeable...raising/toasting too, that which is interrelated/
interchangable....niceeeeeeeee dream
love-smiless,
birgit
the key phrases were, ??if someone ever tries to say that
lincoln had an ego, i won ??t even listen to them. he is a
great leader, a wonderful man, and he is my friend. ?�
> - on that note, everyone seemed to raise their glasses
and toast him ?" agreeing with cronkite
> - at this point i started to wake up
>
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=qv99bok_rv6qt5wesypl-ltvfa94viyllclf9h2oclvxnqudhrmftzc1lfecxtzw9bwxwtw u3fkcl9md), "david wilcock" <djw333@...>
wrote:
> dw: the key point here is that my own higher self is
weighing in on the discussion through dreams. i do not try to
fight for a bigger piece of the pie, or whatever - but i do
have to have healthy boundaries. lincoln was used as an
example of someone who really understood leadership. the
symbolism of the birthday cake, to me, shows that i've
transcended the idea of fighting over who gets a bigger
piece, and just focusing on being the best person i can be.
it is as if there is a new, uh, personality self being born
in the midst of all this catalyst.
>
> - david
>
jess9dob
11-17-2006, 02:55 PM
in a message dated 11/17/06 3:21:40 am pacific standard time,
dibbyruth@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=i3vz5ettx2vnkwpjvlmf0nebd7gjqab5vjbh2p besopcumc8r5hx8ofjxrg7k6mzymgwzmpediy2vg) quotes:
> i am ra. the proper role of the entity is in this density to
> experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept
> these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them.
> nothing shall be overcome....
> it is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any
> desire. it must instead be understood and accepted. this takes
> patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with
> compassion for self and for other-self.
is ra saying we should act out every desire? is there no need for
self-control?
agape,
don eli
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=uu1j2hh73rdivfq8op3k4s95e7_vsm-glvigytgspdkyxxb9sexexh0kszipii-isomh74cnsvsmodj1on8), chris wrote:
> anyway, i have a driving test coming up soon and about a week ago
after id done a pre-test i had one of these dreams that night, it was
the instuctor and myself talking in the car just like the actual
event but when the subject of what time the test is came up, either
him or myself said 1.00 o'clock (i cant remember who) but it is at
11.00 dec 1st.
the problem is ive always thought this was myself communicating with
me or someone else, and i took this infomation as fact and not to be
interpeted like a dream.
is it just my mind running through things and nothing more?
what do ya think?
chris,
the dream may just be about your prospective driving test, but uf
not, methinks it may be referring to "test" activity you face in a
different part of life. the car with instructor may be pointing out
that you need a time goal (or an appt) to face whatever the challenge
is & is encouraging you to face the challenge by providing the car to
take & go to new horizons.
peace & love, pi
--- in asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postid=agnofqawd-czdxem6onym6qb41djszwv86uqkx0s4qgka49djs9nyydye5_w eersgi9vpxze625sr5wcaw), don eli wrote:
> is ra saying we should act out every desire? is there no need for
> self-control?
don eli,
experience, analyze, understand, accept all things desired with care,
with compassion for self & other-self.<-- what ra recommends is a far
stretch from acting out desire, with one exception: to "experience".
yet the mind has many ways to experience things, have compassion for
self & oither self, without having to act anything out. for instance,
one doesn't have to experience a desire to understand the plight of a
person with substance addiction by self-inducing such addiction. and
a research experiment at u. of chicago showed "mental practice" by a
group of subjects who sat in silence in a library room 30 min daily
for a month & used mental imaging was almost equal to actual practice
by a second group who shot basketball free throws in a gym 30 min a
day for a month (23% vs. 24% improvement in shots made).
generally, the way to experience something without having to act it
out is via the capacity to attain levels of awareness that allow the
enactment of an experience by mental process; a common example is the
wet dream. actually, the premise that thought is equivalent to action
is a principle of loo. ra seems to suggest applying such experiencing
to other desires that we have yet may consider to be undesirable. the
additional activities seem like followup needed to gain perspective &
possible can kead to forgiveness of self & other-self. meditation is
a technique used to experience an unwanted desire & reduce its "hold"
on the psyche. i haven't enough time available now to discuss how to
use meditation for this purpose or give web links; but i trust others
are aware of ways that meditation is used & will help out.
peace & love, pi
>
> in a message dated 11/17/06 3:21:40 am pacific standard time,
> dibbyruth@... quotes:
> > i am ra. the proper role of the entity is in this density to
experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, & accept
these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them.
> > nothing shall be overcome....
> > it is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any
> > desire. it must instead be understood and accepted. this takes
> > patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with
> > compassion for self and for other-self.
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