Self control and meditation

[Unknown]

hello everybody,

i have a question and it would be fun to see some views from others on
this. in a lot of meditation traditions they speak about more self
control being one of the benefits of meditation. but in the ra
material we read that acceptance is the way of the positivly polarised
entity and control the way of the negative...
so this makes me wonder, is their a mix up of words and their meanings?
cause they seem to contradict.
ra really stresses on many occassions that trying to control is really
not a good way, it can create peace on short term but in the long term
it doesn't.

greets,
Unknown

[Pi]

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> i have a question and it would be fun to see some views from others on
> this. in a lot of meditation traditions they speak about more self
> control being one of the benefits of meditation. but in the ra
> material we read that acceptance is the way of the positivly polarised
> entity and control the way of the negative...
> so this makes me wonder, is their a mix up of words and their meanings?
> cause they seem to contradict.
> ra really stresses on many occassions that trying to control is really
> not a good way, it can create peace on short term but in the long term
> it doesn't.

pi: you are making 2 valid points: (1) undesirability of self-control as
a benefit / outcome of meditation, & (2) desirability of self-acceptance
as a benefit / outcome. if we gain in self-acceptance, we may indeed
appear to behave in a way that fits a popular defintion of self-control
but actually is more like a calm state of seeking self-awareness.

peace & love all...

[jess9dob]

in a message dated 11/11/06 5:16:47 pm pacific standard time,
Unknown@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=qvj_beoovqtsxuqw0wgeqsp4ljgw6scpjs7390 c3egbe9befla9axqt-z3na2ptrseo5uq3-hpajw3gal0yz) writes:

> ra really stresses on many occassions that trying to control is really
> not a good way

control of others is sts. control of self is good, i think. but i do not
remember ra/quo speaking about it. i did a search at
http://www.lawofone.info/search.php
for "self control" and "control of self" and neither word-string led to a
match.

i feel i control myself when i choose to express my love and keep my mean
thoughts to myself, and when i choose to say yes or no. i think i must improve
myself in order to be of more service.

agape,
don eli

[Ed]

Unknown says:

hello everybody,

i have a question and it would be fun to see some views from
others on
this. in a lot of meditation traditions they speak about more
self
control being one of the benefits of meditation. but in the ra
material we read that acceptance is the way of the positivly
polarised
entity and control the way of the negative...
so this makes me wonder, is their a mix up of words and their
meanings?
cause they seem to contradict.
ra really stresses on many occassions that trying to control is
really
not a good way, it can create peace on short term but in the long
term
it doesn't.

greets,
Unknown

my reply: there are many, many different meditation practices. i
think you could say the general principle is that people with all of
their differences will find different meditation practices that help
to grow the part of their nature that is weak. some people are
excessively chaotic and need to get it under control; some are too
tightly controlled and need to loosen up. by balancing your nature you
become more calm internally and able to connect better with your
higher self and a bigger, better overview of yourself and life.

all the best, ed

[Unknown]

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> control of others is sts. control of self is good, i think. but i
do > not remember ra/quo speaking about it.
>
> i feel i control myself when i choose to express my love and keep my
> mean thoughts to myself, and when i choose to say yes or no. i
think > i must improve myself in order to be of more service.

uhu well this is what i'm doubting about.
ra really stresses about self acceptance and doesn't use the world
self control in any way. the only timethey talk about surpession or
control of the self is when we have thoughts or things that are not
consonent with the law of one and they advise then to carry out those
things in imagination...
in the dictionary the first explenation is:
"1. to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command."
but ofcourse it all depends how the word self control is interpretated.

peace,
Unknown

[jess9dob]

in a message dated 11/13/06 10:30:10 am pacific standard time,
Unknown@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=5uubswgnst9x1kkc0afu6vpr18eiyhndivmy2b 1cuul7twly8o7p9dci6zlrke8aaazr-tisfn0splprb7o) writes:

> ra really stresses about self acceptance and doesn't use the world
> self control in any way. the only timethey talk about surpession or
> control of the self is when we have thoughts or things that are not
> consonent with the law of one and they advise then to carry out those
> things in imagination...

i think i am benefiting from the messages of ra/quo, but i do not take it
literally, that they are from another density. i imagine this is cutting edge
new-age philosophy coming out of our human experience. new age thinkers have
wanted to get rid of morality for a couple of decades now.

> in the dictionary the first explenation is:
> "1. to exercise restraint or direction over; dominate; command."
> but ofcourse it all depends how the word self control is interpretated.

my dictionary defines self-control as "control or restraint over oneself,
one's actions or feelings." i imagine your definition is from the word
"control." control over others is certainly commanding and domination.

my unconscious controls me by putting myself down and making demands that i
control myself in response to my fears. that is because my father was mean and
abusive, and his methods were the only examples i had as a child with which
to build my internal parent. as i expose my dark unconscious internal
control-freak fearful bully and as i grow in loving and sharing; i am learning
to
control myself for loving reasons, rather than fearful ones. so i have
experienced self-control as both negative and positive in my life. to you, i
advocate
the positive.

agape,
don eli