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Clark stewart
11-02-2000, 08:55 AM
Greetings to all, much love.

K, well Jer the way I see it , is that those two thoughts are of the same
design implementation.
I have integrated both ideas, as a puzzle seeing them fit together quite
nicely...
Let me try and clarify that "fall from grace".
If we can imagine what our potential in terms of metaphysical
opportunites could be with direct influence from higer relms (ie.
brotherhood of light, Ra, and others)
Cause didn't it say in the Ra readings that they had sent out contacts in
several areas; SAmerica, Egypt, Atlantis (initially).?

This was to initiate the priests into crystal technology, which was really a
way of polarizing our consciousness into higher overtones of the 3rd D.
Remember that there are 13 overtones to a octave, k well the 13th starts the
next one.
So generally I would think of us from day to day (now) operating in a global
average (guess) 6th,7th overtone, and the Atlanteans with there new found
crystal tech found themselves on like the 10+ overtones, even possible
ripping 4D nrg in the 3D sphere. This caused in my interpretation, a mutated
genotype, ie enabling other codon replecation.
So eventually the crystal tech was used for militaristic
applications, and the brothers of light new that this was a good
propability, but choose to see this happen (exercise of free will) and for
the sake of experimentation. Which is one reason why the brothers in the sky
have been allocated to repairing the grid, other reasoning as well.
So I believe that "they" decided to seperate us by seperating Atlantis.
From there we devoloped distinctive langauges and lost the knowledge of
spirit. This is fundamentally based upon the composer of our system (sub
logos) sun, even the grand composer (logos), which are the main influence on
how we operate and interpret this knowledge.
So the fall to me is natural in the respect to the solar cycle (that we
should all know now due to convergence!!!)
and alike the Atlantean fall was apart of the grand sceme of soul evolution
on a galactic level.
Now we must regain the unity awareness that we had at the time of
Atlantis , minus the huge big brother influence.
Seems they have chosen to help in less direct ways, ie crop circles ,
mediums, wanderers...
The anology would be here, we were given a lamborghini in Atlantis, we
abused those privledges, so it makes sense that we have to start from
scratch to be able to fully repect that car when we see it again.
I thinking we must master the ford before such super vehicles.
Build from the bottom up, you dig?







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>Subject: [asc2k] First post ever on list
>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:44:10 -0500
>
> Hey, according to David's suggestion, I'm going to repost the message
>I
>posted to the list.
>*****
> While reading the Law of One books graciously donated by Kory,
>and
>also reading other works, I have come upon a question for which your input
>would be most greatly appreciated.
> In the realm of metaphysics, it seems to me that there are two
>schools of thought that explain more or less "how we got here."
> The first one is sort of the "fall from grace" idea, where man
>lived in paradise and at some point lost his higher abilities and became
>trapped in the carnal body. This view is reflected in works like Course in
>Miracles, Aquarian Gospel, Melchizdek Truth Principles, and lots and lots
>of
>other metaphysical works. The idea is that something happened, and now we
>are not in the condition that we are supposed to be in now, and our goal is
>to get out of this earthly condition and back to the oneness, back to the
>paradise. It kind of gives the connotation that "something went wrong" and
>that we are here to correct our mistakes. Understand, I'm trying to be
>broad and general so as to best describe what it is I mean.
> Then you got the other school of thought, which is reflected in
>Law of One and David's work, among others, which talks about our
>progression
>towards the goal of oneness as merely a growth, and that this is how the
>universe works... conciousness evolves through the densities to come back
>to
>oneness. However, the difference between this idea and the other school of
>thought is that this seems to imply that what we are going through in our
>progression towards the ideal is a natural, acceptable phenomenon; that we
>are exactly where we are supposed to be, and all that.
> So if I had to break it down, I would ask: did we make a mistake
>and that's why we're "here", or is our presence "here" part of the natural
>evolution and cycle of nature/god? Or is there a reconcilliation between
>the two ideas that I don't see?
> If this topic doesn't get you discussing, man, nothing will.
>Hope
>everyone's still ok. Walk in the light.
> Jeremy
>
>*****
> I think this may already be answered to a certain extent. I recently
>was shown a part of the Ra material where Ra says that we are only in this
>whole polarity/illusion/distortion experience b/c we do not choose to
>percieve the unity of all things. I think it meant that our higher selves
>made this choice.
> But it's still an interesting topic...
> Later,
> Jeremy
>

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Jeremy Weiland
11-02-2000, 05:20 PM
Yo I dig G.
That's a good explanation at least for the "fall from grace" mythology
(atlantean deluge explanation). I dunno, if you read a Course in Miracles
it seems like they were talking about our "fall" in a more universal sense,
as in us become separate from the oneness and unity. Some spiritual works
see this as sort of a "mistake" we made and that in order to be completely
happy and fulfilled again we need to return to the oneness. The Ra material
seems to say that we are going through an evolution of consciousness that
will bring us back to the oneness. I guess what I was asking was, is it our
"fault" that we're in this lower vibratory, more primal and loveless world
*or* is this what all entities go through, just a stage of our evolution
back to oneness.
Like I said, though, I think my question was already answered. I think,
in the universal sense, our higher, unified selves chose to "experience"
itself through separation and condensation into denser vibrations. We
happen to be at the upper 3d level right now. My question was always, was
the choice a mistake, should we have stayed in unity. In fact, why would a
creator, who is complete and whole in and of itself, need to go through the
whole creation cycle and experience itself? I mean, if God is everything
and there is nothing of reality that God is not, does God gain anything of
eternal, permanent value by creating an illusion and experiencing it?
See if you can answer that <heh heh>
Walk in the light,
Jeremy
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Date: Thursday, November 02, 2000 5:55 PM
Subject: [asc2k] got me peked


>Greetings to all, much love.
>
>K, well Jer the way I see it , is that those two thoughts are of the same
>design implementation.
>I have integrated both ideas, as a puzzle seeing them fit together quite
>nicely...
>Let me try and clarify that "fall from grace".
> If we can imagine what our potential in terms of metaphysical
>opportunites could be with direct influence from higer relms (ie.
>brotherhood of light, Ra, and others)
>Cause didn't it say in the Ra readings that they had sent out contacts in
>several areas; SAmerica, Egypt, Atlantis (initially).?
>
>This was to initiate the priests into crystal technology, which was really
a
>way of polarizing our consciousness into higher overtones of the 3rd D.
>Remember that there are 13 overtones to a octave, k well the 13th starts
the
>next one.
>So generally I would think of us from day to day (now) operating in a
global
>average (guess) 6th,7th overtone, and the Atlanteans with there new found
>crystal tech found themselves on like the 10+ overtones, even possible
>ripping 4D nrg in the 3D sphere. This caused in my interpretation, a
mutated
>genotype, ie enabling other codon replecation.
> So eventually the crystal tech was used for militaristic
>applications, and the brothers of light new that this was a good
>propability, but choose to see this happen (exercise of free will) and for
>the sake of experimentation. Which is one reason why the brothers in the
sky
>have been allocated to repairing the grid, other reasoning as well.
>So I believe that "they" decided to seperate us by seperating Atlantis.
>From there we devoloped distinctive langauges and lost the knowledge of
>spirit. This is fundamentally based upon the composer of our system (sub
>logos) sun, even the grand composer (logos), which are the main influence
on
>how we operate and interpret this knowledge.
> So the fall to me is natural in the respect to the solar cycle (that we
>should all know now due to convergence!!!)
>and alike the Atlantean fall was apart of the grand sceme of soul evolution
>on a galactic level.
> Now we must regain the unity awareness that we had at the time of
>Atlantis , minus the huge big brother influence.
>Seems they have chosen to help in less direct ways, ie crop circles ,
>mediums, wanderers...
>The anology would be here, we were given a lamborghini in Atlantis, we
>abused those privledges, so it makes sense that we have to start from
>scratch to be able to fully repect that car when we see it again.
>I thinking we must master the ford before such super vehicles.
>Build from the bottom up, you dig?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Jeremy Weiland" <jweiland@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=rzu32pgIjW7DTuxPOQ9yhMChwv5WQPTANKcPtL WOb_dJRRGYjihYkEN-jsdo-ISMGZdWDSctMMWGvHAJtYjS)>
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>>To: <asc2k@egroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=BBJo31_8XtBmOegbrUzUwFkTP6AeQXimhM6Sw7 WKApGHe1Yl5l09jYtaCTGNpvj3tSUM-g-Wgw)>
>>Subject: [asc2k] First post ever on list
>>Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:44:10 -0500
>>
>> Hey, according to David's suggestion, I'm going to repost the message
>>I
>>posted to the list.
>>*****
>> While reading the Law of One books graciously donated by Kory,
>>and
>>also reading other works, I have come upon a question for which your input
>>would be most greatly appreciated.
>> In the realm of metaphysics, it seems to me that there are two
>>schools of thought that explain more or less "how we got here."
>> The first one is sort of the "fall from grace" idea, where man
>>lived in paradise and at some point lost his higher abilities and became
>>trapped in the carnal body. This view is reflected in works like Course
in
>>Miracles, Aquarian Gospel, Melchizdek Truth Principles, and lots and lots
>>of
>>other metaphysical works. The idea is that something happened, and now we
>>are not in the condition that we are supposed to be in now, and our goal
is
>>to get out of this earthly condition and back to the oneness, back to the
>>paradise. It kind of gives the connotation that "something went wrong"
and
>>that we are here to correct our mistakes. Understand, I'm trying to be
>>broad and general so as to best describe what it is I mean.
>> Then you got the other school of thought, which is reflected in
>>Law of One and David's work, among others, which talks about our
>>progression
>>towards the goal of oneness as merely a growth, and that this is how the
>>universe works... conciousness evolves through the densities to come back
>>to
>>oneness. However, the difference between this idea and the other school
of
>>thought is that this seems to imply that what we are going through in our
>>progression towards the ideal is a natural, acceptable phenomenon; that we
>>are exactly where we are supposed to be, and all that.
>> So if I had to break it down, I would ask: did we make a
mistake
>>and that's why we're "here", or is our presence "here" part of the natural
>>evolution and cycle of nature/god? Or is there a reconcilliation between
>>the two ideas that I don't see?
>> If this topic doesn't get you discussing, man, nothing will.
>>Hope
>>everyone's still ok. Walk in the light.
>> Jeremy
>>
>>*****
>> I think this may already be answered to a certain extent. I recently
>>was shown a part of the Ra material where Ra says that we are only in this
>>whole polarity/illusion/distortion experience b/c we do not choose to
>>percieve the unity of all things. I think it meant that our higher selves
>>made this choice.
>> But it's still an interesting topic...
>> Later,
>> Jeremy
>>
>
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