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cindercran
09-27-2001, 03:59 AM
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<blockquote><tt>hi jeremy,



i'm not certain if this is what ra had in mind, but it's worked wonders for me so maybe it might for you.



to me, integration goes something like this: it's akin to seeing something in someone else that i don't like and realizing that in order for me not to like it, i must already own it in myself and dislike that aspect of self, too. in order to integrate it, i must first:



1. see it in another - to recognize is to own or to have previously owned.



2. note how the recognition affects me. if it's a negative reaction, then i own it. if it's a neutral reaction, but merely a recognition, then it's a previous ownership and a reminder as to how far we've come. if it's a positive reaction, it's something that we like about ourselves and have no need to change. remember, like attracts like and it works for both polarities.



3. search within to see if it was a recognition that i own and need to work with up to and including why i have such a negative reaction. ie; anger, hate, envy, dislike, disgust, etc.



4. then the hard part... doing the necessary work to love self and accept self and/or change that aspect of self that is so undesirable to reflect who we are becoming.



this really works, jeremy and it would make sense to me to be what ra is speaking of, but if someone else knows something better i'm open to it. as for myself, since beginning this type of self therapy, my life has changed hundred-fold. never would i have believed even 5 years ago that we can experience so much joy in every day life. things that bother us, once we examine them under the bright light of consciousness, they fall away and we consider them silly.



love,

cindi









hey all,



i have been reading and studying the ra material for

over a year now, and while i'd like to think that i'm

getting clearer on things, there's something that i've

never been absolutely sure about, and maybe y'all can

help me out.



ra often refers to integration of different aspects of

the self as a method of dealing with conflicts and

problems. ra defines this as accepting parts of

yourself (or others) as part of the creator, i

beleive. can anyone provide any explanations as to

what specifically is entailed when one tries to

integrate an experience or personality segment? i'm

just kind of unclear about what is actually supposed

to happen in an integration, and it sounds like an

overly academic term that everybody thinks sounds

great but doesn't really communicate a definate

process or concept to anyone. so clarification or at

least discussion would be great!



take care,



jeremy

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cindercran
09-27-2001, 04:57 AM
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<blockquote><tt>jeremy,



well, to me, acceptance is being in a place of complete "non-judgement". you accept every day that the sky is blue and the grass is green with no preconceived ideas of how it should be or ought to be. just total non-judgement.



if you have curly hair and wish it were otherwise, then you're not in an accepting place with that aspect of self. see? it works on all levels. if someone thinks you're a complete jerk but you don't judge yourself either positively or negatively for it, it's acceptance and you're content with who you are. it doesn't matter what others think anyway. (nothing personal intended!)



love,

cindi









thanks for the reply. yes, i believe that this is

exactly what ra is talking about. but where i go

fuzzy is on the "acceptance" part. i agree, this is

the hardest part, but how can i do it if i don't

understand what is entailed by it. yeah, i can say i

accept that, but what does that mean? that i allow

that quality to exist within myself? does it mean

that i find a way to justify it? should i downplay or

erradicate that part of myself? in short, what does

"accept" mean? is this a problem to be resolved, or

is simply understanding it enough?



hopefully you see what i mean...



thanks!



jeremy



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Jeremy Weiland
09-27-2001, 07:26 AM
hey all,

i have been reading and studying the ra material for
over a year now, and while i'd like to think that i'm
getting clearer on things, there's something that i've
never been absolutely sure about, and maybe y'all can
help me out.

ra often refers to integration of different aspects of
the self as a method of dealing with conflicts and
problems. ra defines this as accepting parts of
yourself (or others) as part of the creator, i
beleive. can anyone provide any explanations as to
what specifically is entailed when one tries to
integrate an experience or personality segment? i'm
just kind of unclear about what is actually supposed
to happen in an integration, and it sounds like an
overly academic term that everybody thinks sounds
great but doesn't really communicate a definate
process or concept to anyone. so clarification or at
least discussion would be great!

take care,

jeremy

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Jeremy Weiland
09-27-2001, 08:42 AM
thanks for the reply. yes, i believe that this is
exactly what ra is talking about. but where i go
fuzzy is on the "acceptance" part. i agree, this is
the hardest part, but how can i do it if i don't
understand what is entailed by it. yeah, i can say i
accept that, but what does that mean? that i allow
that quality to exist within myself? does it mean
that i find a way to justify it? should i downplay or
erradicate that part of myself? in short, what does
"accept" mean? is this a problem to be resolved, or
is simply understanding it enough?

hopefully you see what i mean...

thanks!

jeremy

btw: very helpful to have documented the integration
process. thanks.

--- cindercran <cindercran@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=v-9qbonxxtzbvlnfgocprfxvdgvxocbty_pzb3o9swl5audeb_ie tns3imeeixjx1vb5d2ak6_37h33i)> wrote:
> hi jeremy,
>
> i'm not certain if this is what ra had in mind, but
> it's worked wonders for
> me so maybe it might for you.

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Jeremy Weiland
09-27-2001, 12:55 PM
so it's ok to be a jerk? that's not a problem... i
mean, i understand not judging yourself based on
other's perceptions... but does accepting yourself the
only work that you need to do, or is there anything
about yourself that needs to be changed.

i mean theoretically i can understand the concept that
one's inability to accept oneself is the reason
another's reaction to one's actions would cause doubt
of self. is the idea that all the problems we
*perceive* come from our refusal to accept the self -
no matter what that self actually is or how it acts?

another portion of my confusion on this topic has to
do not so much with the integration of parts that have
been rejected per se, but of parts that need
alteration. for example, let's say that you have a
recognizably flawed conception of the relationship
between a parent and child. how do you go about in
consciousness reworking that concept? and what
exactly is entailed by this type of work? this is
what i'm *really* interested in.

anyway, thanks for providing a sounding board for this
discussion, cindi!

jeremy

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> jeremy,
>
> well, to me, acceptance is being in a place of
> complete "non-judgement".
> you accept every day that the sky is blue and the
> grass is green with no
> preconceived ideas of how it should be or ought to
> be. just total
> non-judgement.
>
> if you have curly hair and wish it were otherwise,
> then you're not in an
> accepting place with that aspect of self. see? it
> works on all levels. if
> someone thinks you're a complete jerk but you don't
> judge yourself either
> positively or negatively for it, it's acceptance and
> you're content with who
> you are. it doesn't matter what others think anyway.
> (nothing personal
> intended!)

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Mawk
09-27-2001, 10:12 PM
hi jeremy,

you might find robert monroe's last book insightful. i will be busy for the
next week but after that i will post the relevant section if you are
interested. essentially he discusses how he has to combine all of his past
present and future selves to present to the creator. the idea i got was that
the soul had to reach some kind of critical mass, in terms of experience, in
order to move up the ladder for the next part of the game.

of course for this to make sense you have to entertain the idea of
reincarnation and even stranger, accept the possibility of future selves
also operating concurrently. clearly to do this the current accepted
paradigm of time must be brought into question.

the only two things that i am absolutely certain about are 1. life is
experience and 2. i am ignorant. hence i am open to entertaining this
possibility:) if you go back a month or so and read a couple of the
meditations i posted you might find why i am prepared to entertain this
potential.

cheers,

mawk

Jeremy Weiland
09-28-2001, 08:16 AM
> you might find robert monroe's last book insightful.

remember the title?

> i will be busy for the
> next week but after that i will post the relevant
> section if you are
> interested.

groovy.

> essentially he discusses how he has to
> combine all of his past
> present and future selves to present to the creator.
> the idea i got was that
> the soul had to reach some kind of critical mass, in
> terms of experience, in
> order to move up the ladder for the next part of the
> game.

sounds plausible.

> of course for this to make sense you have to
> entertain the idea of
> reincarnation and even stranger, accept the
> possibility of future selves
> also operating concurrently. clearly to do this the
> current accepted
> paradigm of time must be brought into question.

are you kidding? i'm reading seth speaks right now...
this is just up my alley! :-)

> possibility:) if you go back a month or so and read
> a couple of the
> meditations i posted you might find why i am
> prepared to entertain this
> potential.

right away. thanks!

jeremy

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