"The Ego Identity Crisis"

[Mr Gary Trudeau]

hi all,

in response to a thread about ego that jan and jim
(james stevens) posted to this group recently i
attempted to send jan a reply that i thought would
give her a lot of useful information all about the
structure (and the dissolution - if one is interested
-not everybody is!) of the ego; this attempted posting
was vetoed by the moderator because a reference that i
gave in it was construable as advertising.
chris(tina)said that she would allow the posting if i
removed the reference in question; so i have. i
deliberated for quite a while about whether this
particular subject matter that i am broaching in this
particular posting is on-topic for this group and if
you are reading this at all then it is because the
moderator/s share my opinion that it is indeed
relevant. so,

hi jan,

there is a book by brian nager called "the ego
identity crisis - handbook for enlightenment". after
reading your post about ego it's obvious to me that
this particular text would be right up your street!
i've got a copy and it's simply wonderful!
(rest of original would-be posting truncated here to
comply with the moderator's injunction)

chris(tina) said it would be okay to post the item if
i gave some information about what i personally have
gotten out of it; okay, here goes:

unfortunately there isn't a downloadable e-book
version of nager's book - i wish there was. it runs
to over 600 pages so it's like dw's e-books inasmuch
as it's not exactly a lightweight read but the content
is truly superlative. i don't know how conversant you
are (or not) with the writings of a man called david
hawkins - he's quite legendary now in some circles -
but he's basically a consummate writer on the subject
of enlightenment and he has his own forum called the
drhawkinsgroup on yahoo's groups. one arcane matter
that he mentions in his books (one called "power vs.
force" is an excellent place to start if you truly
haven't heard of this guy before) is that devotees of
gurus traditionally experience a phenomenon called
'entrainment' simply by being in the presence of a
spiritually advanced or enlightened being. he explains
that this is because the authentically spiritually
advanced radiate a subtle energetic carrier wave that
interacts with the personal energetic fields of other
beings in their vicinity and causes those people to
experience a shift in their normal consciousness
towards a more exalted level of consciousness. the
phenomenon tends to last for about as long as the
individual is physically in the presence of the sage
and begins to dissipate once they are no longer in
'the presence'. i have personally experienced the
entrainment phenomenon in listening to cd lectures
given by hawkins so i know he's the real deal.
brian nager's book 'the ego identity crisis' is the
only book i have ever read in my life where i could
actually feel the subtle entrainment phenomenon going
on even as i just read the book! that's how good it
is!! this is why i want jan to read his book. there's
a distinct possibility that she might experience god's
grace as she does so. please don't ask me to describe
the grace of god; i can no more do that than anyone
else in history has been able to but it is a real
phenomenon and when it's happening to you baby you
know all about it.

the real beauty part is that there is no
incompatibility between the writings of hawkins,
nager or david wilcock! there's a seamless unity that
makes you feel equally at home with all three.

the dr. hawkins yahoo group is composed of as canny
and sagacious a group of individuals as you are going
to meet anywhere on this planet and i must, in all
fairness, point out that the general consensus amongst
them is that brian nager's guruhood is a bit suspect;
many of them don't like the commercialization aspect
of the entire enlightenment phenomenon (conspicuously
missing with hawkins by the way - he's very much a
traditionalist)and i understand perfectly where
they're coming from. well, that's as may be: everybody
is entitled to their opinion and my respect for their
views is colossal but i must, in this instance, go out
on a limb and opine that after reading nager's book
for myself, say that i think this book is one of the
most inspired pieces of spiritual authorship of all
time and anybody who is smart enough to be into david
wilcock and www.divinecosmos.com really ought to have
read this book as well.

messrs. hawkins, nager and wilcock are all on the same
side, they're all fighting for the same (one) cause
and they're each entitled to the unique expression of
their own individuality; the styles inevitably vary
but the core essence of what each of these men is
saying is the same in each case.

namaste,

gary t.

[Pi]

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> one arcane matter that he mentions in his books (one called "power
vs. force" is an excellent place to start if you truly haven't heard
of this guy before) is that devotees of gurus traditionally
experience a phenomenon called 'entrainment' simply by being in the
presence of a spiritually advanced or enlightened being. he explains
that this is because the authentically spiritually advanced radiate a
subtle energetic carrier wave that interacts with the personal
energetic fields of other beings in their vicinity and causes those
people to experience a shift in their normal consciousness towards a
more exalted level of consciousness. the phenomenon tends to last for
about as long as the individual is physically in the presence of the
sage and begins to dissipate once they are no longer in 'the
presence'. i have personally experienced the entrainment phenomenon
in listening to cd lectures given by hawkins so i know he's the real
deal.

pi: i attended a recruitment meeting of an eastern religious sect 10
or so years ago. hadn't heard of chakras & channeling then, or about
meditation to commune with the creator, but i definitely experienced
the presence of the guru. don't recall her name or the sect's name. i
do recall her saying she'd completed internal cleansing & balancing
of 6 centers that are wheels of energy in the body (chakras) & was
working on #7. i was in a room with 100 people about 20 min before i
noticed what you call the presence. it prompted sensations of extreme
comfort & relaxation that for 20 min or so after i left the meeting.

the strangest part of the experience is how it affected vibes i was
exchanging with someone i went to that meeting with. we'd been dating
3 months & were getting intimate. but as energy of the presence was
fading away that night, i noticed a force was somehow separating us,
like barriers dividing lanes of an expressway. i didn't feel negative
or positive, just separated in emotion toward my date. we didn't talk
going home, said 'good night', & never called or emailed one another.
i supposed then & still do think the vibes of the presence exposed
differences in our paths that silently told us each to move on.

thanks for sharing. when leisure time revisits me, i'll try to get to
check out one of the books you're referring to.

peace & love, pi

[M.W.]

hi, gary

before i ran into the loo i was quite taken by the personal account
of dr. hawkins, and of course was enthusiastic about his first book,
power vs force. i even gave out a few copies. but then the following
volumes didn't set as comfortably with me, and especially i thought
the third one off-key in a few critical areas. one example that
really threw me was the very high k evaluation given to bush -- and i
assume that rating included his bizzare policies. (this feeling is
shared by some reviewers posting on amazon. they like his first work
but break step with him on his third)

but of course my own personal "hawkins' rating" is so low that i'm
not qualified to judge my betters.

at first the idea of a universal field of conciousness that could be
tapped into by using kinesiology seemed realistic, and it did fit in
well with my take on some assumed qualities of the zero point energy
field (intelligent infinity ) however, with my introduction to the ra
material my naive eyes were opened concerning the nasty fact that
there are indeed powerful, demon-like entites of negative polarity;
with those nasties lurking about just primed to upset our applecarts
through passing off disinformation we can be set-up for big
trouble.

to sum up, i'm concerned about some aspects of dr. hawkins that seem
to warn of mixed polarity. but even pre-warned just how does one sift
which from what? so, for the time being, dr. david just sits on the
book shelf gathering dust.

hey! i'm willing to be convinced otherwise.

salutations, billybaffled


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>
> hi all,

snip
>
> the real beauty part is that there is no
> incompatibility between the writings of hawkins,
> nager or david wilcock! there's a seamless unity that
> makes you feel equally at home with all three.

snip
>
> messrs. hawkins, nager and wilcock are all on the same
> side, they're all fighting for the same (one) cause
> and they're each entitled to the unique expression of
> their own individuality; the styles inevitably vary
> but the core essence of what each of these men is
> saying is the same in each case.
>
> namaste,
>
> gary t.
>

[Mr Gary Trudeau]

--- "m.w.gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postid=jxw_nla5pncboopxvjlbrizuhjyc85n_vi0boo 7t5wf5vnqpmmxfkubehuwku9turrlk5-e07ybi-nd6)> wrote:

> hi, gary
>
> before i ran into the loo i was quite taken by the
> personal account of dr. hawkins and of course was
> enthusiastic (etc.)


hi bill,

thank you for responding! exactly like you i too felt
inner disquiet when i read that datum about bush
calibrating in the 400's; both my own gut feelings and
my efforts at calibrating the guy myself tell me that
he is on the 'wrong' side of 200.(i apologise for the
implicit judgmentalism being applied here but
sometimes you do wonder if jesus ever acually lived in
the real world.)it's interesting that fully 95% of
what dr. hawkins writes elicits only tacit affirmation
within when you read it but every now and then you
come across some datum like this one that jars totally
and makes you think mcenroe-like "he cannot be
serious!" however, i am completely satisfied that the
doc's humility and patent humanity are absolutely
authentic and that he would never knowingly be a party
to any deceit so one is left with the real problem of
explaining away anomalies of this sort. it seems to me
that basically you have just two options: either you
conclude that your own emotional outrage at some datum
you have come across in one of his books is a raised
red flag warning you that one of your own
'positionalities' has thereby just been highlighted
and is giving you something about yourself to ponder,
or, you can conclude that even realised beings are not
infallible and do occasionally get things wrong! it's
your choice! possibly both are simultaneously
applicable ...

i'm aware that ra talks at length in the loo series
about malevolent entities on the sts path but it does
seem to me that the practical diffulties put in
carla's way by the 5th density entity were largely
because she was engaged upon a work that had the power
to significantly upgrade beings' ability to
discern/identify truth for themselves; whenever
something like this happens you can bet that all the
control freak sts types who covertly seek to enslave
everybody are going to respond quickly to what they
perceive as their interests being undermined. hawkins
lives at such an elevated level of consciousness that
he is probably constitutionally incapable of
perceiving genuine evil in anybody but who knows?
maybe higher density beings of the sts polarity are
covertly messing with hawkins as well. it wouldn't be
surprising given their overpowering need to nobble all
who bring real light to the human race.

best wishes,

gary t.

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[Pi]

> gary t. wrote:
> ... i am completely satisfied that the doc's humility and patent
humanity are absolutely authentic and that he would never knowingly
be a party to any deceit so one is left with the real problem of
explaining away anomalies of this sort. it seems to me that basically
you have just two options: either you conclude that your own
emotional outrage at some datum you have come across in one of his
books is a raised red flag warning you that one of your
own 'positionalities' has thereby just been highlighted and is giving
you something about yourself to ponder, or, you can conclude that
even realised beings are not infallible & do occasionally get things
wrong! it's your choice! possibly both are simultaneously
applicable ...

pi: or you can conclude that even realized beings use their adeptness
to follow the path of sts. <-- this also is a teaching of the loo.

gary t. wrote: i'm aware that ra talks at length in the loo series
about malevolent entities on the sts path but it does seem to me that
the practical diffulties put in carla's way by the 5th density entity
were largely because she was engaged upon a work that had the power
to significantly upgrade beings' ability to discern/identify truth
for themselves; whenever something like this happens you can bet that
all the control freak sts types who covertly seek to enslave
everybody are going to respond quickly to what they perceive as their
interests being undermined.

pi: great insight!

gary t.: hawkins lives at such an elevated level of consciousness that
he is probably constitutionally incapable of perceiving genuine evil
in anybody but who knows? maybe higher density beings of the sts
polarity are covertly messing with hawkins as well. it wouldn't be
surprising given their overpowering need to ennoble all who bring
real light to the human race.

pi: ablity to discern truth leads to elevated level of consciousness
of adepthood. sto adepts may be described as "incapable of perceiving
genuine evil in anybody" since sto would choose loving one & all. sts
adepts are "incapable of perceiving genuine evil in anybody", since
sts adepts choose 'evil' as 'good'. to "bring real light to the human
race" would be a guise of sts adept wanting to control those who will
follow 'light' an sts adept reveals, but sto adepts would be focused
on being 'light' & uninvolved with ennobling any one else. from what
you & bill observe, hawkins apparently is an adept who chooses sts.

peace & love, pi

[M.W.]

moderator note: i think that after this post, this subject has been sufficiently
explored, and it really is off topic for our law of one group. anyone wishing to
continue this thread, may do so privately. thank you.


hi again, gary,

i don't think dr. hawkin's high level of conciousness protects him
from being diddled by the "loyal opposition". if you recall from the
adventures of downloading the ra material don elkins and co. were
warned against asking transitory information (that which would not be
important come some 10 thousand years down the line ) there is one
sequence where it is painfully obvious, in retrospect, that they were
losing the needed tight channel with ra and were skittering toward
pulling in distortions because don was interested in ets (yeah, i
know, the whole cosmos is a distortion, etc. ... but i think some
distortions are less distoprted than others... like my spelling)

anyway, 99% of the material being accessed through kinesiology by dr.
hawkins is "transitory." talk about opening the door!

there is a lot of great-sounding channeling going online that is
sucking in a large number of psychic aware/leaning peoples. one
site that seems to serve as a summation of this factoid is a found at
fourwinds10. the guy that is running things on winds10 is
obviously at the high end of highly intelligent.[note from moderator: this is a
site known to have supported certain money solicitations involving, among other
things, nibiru]

but, although i respect him in many ways i do think he might qualify
as a borderline wacko ... or posibly a superb con man... or maybe he
is merely a stubborn adherent of the philosopy of faking it until his
group makes it!(i.e., defeating the illuminati darkside and then with
the help of cosmic light-warriors employing their vast thousands of
space ships to help manking to usher in an actualized well-deserved
prosperity to us deserving ones....light warriors

for those students of the human condition will of course find his
person and work fascinating, and i have to admit that he also
features a lot of new and interesting side-light material much as
does rense.com

i confess. i monitor his site and rense before i come here for a dose
of the real stuff.

here is his problem -- as i see it from my studies of the loo -- his
communicating celestial figures seem like 3d characters operating
from 4/5d (?)and coming across offtimes as heroic sci-fi heros. as
david has said, the higher density entities are not known for being
especially gabby, breezy and jocular. and this crew does tend to come
across as such.

now a great deal of noise is made about not infringing on mankind's
free will... but this turns out to be far lower grade of "non-
infringment" compared to that we get from q'uo, ra, et al.

it is made obvious in the ra material that we cannot merely ask out
of 'free will' and have that expression be enough to qualify to
receive the answer to certain pivotal questions (because the answer
would influence our opinion of the subject and thus warp our
opinion...which of course contaminates, and thus upsets things by
then tweaking our vigin free will into a course of action
attributable to an outside influence.)

in the fourwinds scenario we first get the answers to the questions
and then we get to imploy our free will by, say, agreeing with our
free will for a takeover of earth-shan by the celestial space fleet
in order to set things right.

sounds phony. yes?

at the best what is coming though is seriously mixed polarity.there
are many thousands monitoring this site and the daily promises keep
dragging on and on...and on. what do you expect the
spiritual/psychological result will be? an orion tactical victory?

as for me and my family we will follow the ra! (ala old testament
declaration of faith) just kidding, i don't worship the ra...i'm
just trying to be cute.

got a phone call... time to pull the plug. you are saved from further
babblings

sorry for the mispellings


billybobpureheart (;>)




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>
>
>
> --- "m.w.gieskieng" <skykieng@...> wrote:
>
> > hi, gary
> >
> > before i ran into the loo i was quite taken by the
> > personal account of dr. hawkins and of course was
> > enthusiastic (etc.)
>
> i'm aware that ra talks at length in the loo series
> about malevolent entities on the sts path but it does
> seem to me that the practical diffulties put in
> carla's way by the 5th density entity were largely
> because she was engaged upon a work that had the power
> to significantly upgrade beings' ability to
> discern/identify truth for themselves; whenever
> something like this happens you can bet that all the
> control freak sts types who covertly seek to enslave
> everybody are going to respond quickly to what they
> perceive as their interests being undermined. hawkins
> lives at such an elevated level of consciousness that
> he is probably constitutionally incapable of
> perceiving genuine evil in anybody but who knows?
> maybe higher density beings of the sts polarity are
> covertly messing with hawkins as well. it wouldn't be
> surprising given their overpowering need to nobble all
> who bring real light to the human race.
>
> best wishes,
>
> gary t.
>
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[Nina]

note from an apologetic moderator: i wasn't very clear about what was off topic,
and i just want to clarify what i meant. dr. hawkins was the off topic subject
of which i spoke. so sorry! chris

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>> as for me and my family we will follow the ra! (ala old testament
> declaration of faith)
> billybobpureheart
please moderator! let this one through!
billy, loved your line! cayce did revea; that joshua (re-above
declaration of faith) was an earlier incarnation of jesus.
loved this reading 2772:
"...israel indeed is all who seek; meaning not those as of the
children of abraham alone, but of every nation, every tribe, every
tongue-israel of the lord. that is the full meaning of israel." nina