Yahwah the God of Empire

[jess9dob]

This from RA:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=126&Item
id=36

29. JESUS, AN ENLIGHTENED HEALER

II. THE ORION GROUP OPPOSED HIM

QUESTION: When Jesus incarnated was there an attempt by the Orion group to
discredit him?

RA: This is correct. They built on negative information already present given
by the one your peoples call "YahwehÃà‚ƒÃ ‚¢?àƒÃƒÂƒÃ‚‚ƒÃ‚‚à ƒÂƒÃ‚ƒÃ‚ƒÃ‚‚ÂàƒÃ‚‚ÂÂÂ�. This led Judas to believe that Jesus,
if pushed into a corner, could be made to see the wisdom of using the power of
intelligent infinity to rule others. This resulted in the death of Jesus.

Don Eli: Yahwah/Jehovah is the god who must be obeyed. Yahwah is therefore
against free will, or opposed to the first distortion of the Law of One, as RA
defines it.

III. WHY WAS JESUS SUCH A GOOD HEALER?

..........True healing is simply the radiance of the self causing an
environment in which a catalyst can occur to cause the recognition of the self,
by the
self. (B1, 164)

Don Eli: Amen! So might it be!

[Michael Abrient]

On 9/11/06, viviangardens@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=QnTtZ-4nthyB2XKV51dAAGBIKyNuiL0tK4BFwu-VST5dKQaijSR_RKBwNrk8T_wAla2fQm5EnRjw6pR6wA) <viviangardens@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=QnTtZ-4nthyB2XKV51dAAGBIKyNuiL0tK4BFwu-VST5dKQaijSR_RKBwNrk8T_wAla2fQm5EnRjw6pR6wA)> wrote:
>
>
> RA: This is correct. They built on negative information already present
> given
> by the one your peoples call "Yahweh".



A: Yahweh's like a rush chairman gone mad. What kind of [insert anatomical
slang of your choice here] hands you some crazy "commandments" in the first
place? That has hazing written all over it...


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[coronetrt101]

But according to Ra Yahweh was of the Confedaration...

18.21 Was Yahweh then of the Confederation?

I am Ra. Yahweh was of the Confederation but was mistaken in its
attempts to aid.

[Michael Abrient]

On 9/12/06, coronetrt101 <coronetrt101@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=IG9GK1mZk0tOo_1Q2B_jFx79JxCsffOay8lglv 7QD_TlnLtbeQ4B2i0hhoFLmW8RMWfUT3f8HtNSuR1nHA)> wrote:
>
> But according to Ra Yahweh was of the Confedaration...


A: Right. Remember, too, one of Yahweh's original intentions was to create a
group of people more able to grasp the Law of One, but eventually the idea
was subverted by the Orions as well ("chosen people" versus "master race").
So, the Orions polluted the contact, and the result is a god who tells you
to kill all the firstborns, is pleased by the smell from the burning of the
sacrifices, the Thou Shalt Nots, and the rest of it. Usually those kinds of
things are a good sign your deity/ channel of choice has been taken over by
rampaging psychic lizardmen. But on the other hand you have the
spirituality, the divinely inspired Hebrew alphabet, the kabbalah which Ra
qualifies as being a valid spiritual tool along with the Tarot and
numerology, etc.

I was joking when I called... Yahweh a crazy rush chairman. A little stealth
humor there.


Abrient: But God! I was joking!

JHVH: Thou shalt not call Yahweh names!! Yahweh doesn't like that. You
should worship Yahweh and only Yahweh!! Yahweh likes it when you do that.
But not when you call Yahweh names!

Abrient: Well, geez, make it a "commandment" why don't you.

JHVH: Silence!! Yahweh is hungry! Yahweh demands a sacrifice! Go cook me
something on that altar.

Abrient: You want the steak or the Mediterranean lamb this time?


Be well,
A


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[Petrus]

> A: Yahweh's like a rush chairman gone mad. What kind of [insert anatomical
> slang of your choice here] hands you some crazy "commandments" in the
> first
> place? That has hazing written all over it...

There is something I want to say here.

I have long believed that the Israelites in the Old Testament used to
*claim* that they had Yahweh's support/justification for particular acts, so
that they could justify such in their own minds. However, if you believe
that there is consistency between the Old and New Testaments, (which
personally I do) then it does not logically follow that the God that Jesus
spoke of would condone the acts of genocide that the Jews recorded
themselves as having engaged in.

At the risk of sounding excessively grandiose, I believe that during the
third to fifth years of my life I sought and had some contact with this
particular being, as I first read Genesis at around the age of five, and
greatly desired contact with him. I was actually questioned by an atheist
at the age of five as to why I believed in God at all, and this contact
served as the basis of my answer. There is a certain deeply stern, and
somewhat austere character there, or there can be, but he is not
evil...quite the contrary...although his degree of severity and the actions
of the Jews (and various other people) have caused him to be much maligned.

I believe that his primary desire was to instruct the Jews in ways which
they could live to their greatest benefit, but that due to the character of
the Jews themselves, his own austere nature, and some negative distortions
as mentioned by Ra, the contact became distorted. It needs to be remembered
that as Ra has said, this has happened in a number of situations. It should
also be remembered that Judeo/Christianity is not something with which all
of us have had exclusively negative experience. Positive intentions have a
way of being hijacked by human beings whose own intentions are anything
*but* positive.

Without intending to sound excessively authoritarian or fanatical, I would
also request that in this discussion, we remain at least moderately
respectful. We are talking about an entity who a large number of people
hold as tremendously important, and who I myself hold in no small amount of
regard, personally.

[jess9dob]

The prophets of the Old Testament called the different empires of their
different times evil. When Jehovah/Yahway replaced El of Elohim (El, Asherah,
Baal, etc.) the tribe of Judah replaced the Hebrew Pagan pantheon with a god of
empire, and the Zionist movement for a Jewish empire was born. Thus the evil
empire took over and the former slaves became would-be slavemasters.

The same thing happened in Christianity, when the evil empire which killed
Jesus took over the movement.

The wisdom traditions of Cabala, and the wisdom of Sophia are examples of
wonderful teachings worthy of all respect and admiration, but the Zionist desire
to dominate the planet by a self-chosen people is not to be respected or
encouraged. The well-meaning people in every religion are honorable and of
great
virtue, but every religion seems to have been taken over by the bullies.

There is a saying that power corrupts. I suggest that is because of our
societies being more controlled by bullies than people who prefer to share.

RA says Earth will become home to those of us harvested into the forth
density as serving unity, and those harvestable as serving self will need to go
to
another planet. I wonder how that can be, since the social balance is negative
on Earth. Wouldn't that violate free will? Or would it be well and proper
because fewer negative souls would be harvestable due to the requirement that
self-serving souls would need to be 95-percent self-serving to be harvestable,
whereas other-serving souls need only over 50-percent positive to be
harvestable; thus meaning more positive souls would be harvested, even though
there are
now more negative ones.

Agape,
Don Eli

[Pi]

Petrus, et.al.

Scott Mandelker gives a clear perspective on references to Yahweh in
the Ra material here:
http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles2/gnostic2.html'

He notes that Yahweh initially is characterized as a benevolent, well-
meaning interventionist in planetary life 75,000 years ago: "RA
describes Yahweh's first contact of 75,000 years ago through "genetic
changes" in a form similar to what you call the cloning process. Thus
entities incarnated in the image of the Yahweh entities [with] one
purpose only: that to express in the mind/body/spirit complex those
characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy
development of the spiritual complex" (p.173-4)."

Despite those good intentions, however, the cloning process was based
on an un-natural establishment of differentiation among 3d humans in
the evolution of mind/body/spirit complex, therefore unintentionally
serving as a way to promote separateness instead of unity.

Ra indicates Yahweh made a second visit about 3,600 years ago: "the
second direct Yahweh/Confederation communication in planetary
history, according to Ra, occurred approximately 3,600 years ago
(1600 years before the Common Era, or BCE). This was "a series of
encounters in which the ones called Anak were impregnated with the
new genetic coding by your physical complex means, so that the
organisms would be larger and stronger."

Ra is far more critical of this intervention by Yahweh and notes that
the effort to breed a superior stock resulted in an imbalance in the
power alignment among so-called races of people on earth It provided
service-to-self ET's with a sharp wedge for inculcating & sustaining
theories of superiority & inferiority that are a cornerstone for all
nations and religions to quarrel and compete for control of material
reources and pleasures. The s-t-s Et's managed to present Yahweh as a
vengeful, power-seeking god symbolized in the Old Testament. The New
Testament represented an effort to re-imbue the Creator as a God of
Love, to be loved & advancing love of self and of others.

A great deal of insight about the effect of intervention by Yahweh on
modern religious creeds is available through the Mandelker articles.

peace & love, pi

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=_QMOUtrI8bT2_SNgE57vjCPUZ8h9OS6d2rICv8 bZ7g8WTQNMbfjOLbaVjkAwhA63lWBPO0i-I1qSn5Q), "Petrus" <petrus4@...> wrote:
> > Without intending to sound excessively authoritarian or
fanatical, I would also request that in this discussion, we remain at
least moderately respectful. We are talking about an entity who a
large number of people hold as tremendously important, & who I myself
hold in no small amount of regard, personally.

[Jeff Kalvin]

Pi,
I totally agree with your statements below and I was aware of the confusion
between what Yahweh offered and as what you stated that "the s-t-s Et's managed
to present Yahweh as a vengeful, power-seeking god symbolized in the Old
Testament". I just wasnt able to put it in to word like you did

I have found that in order to pull the most out of the material and really
understand it, I have had to re-read it over and over. There are many additional
obscure bits of information once you absord the main messages. IMHO.

L&L & sincerely,
Jeff


Pi <johnnypi@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=WMTB-V1MMO_NuWuKxnj0M2GrzO0Do2DkxI-tL02RB9sJR7XZYPWYm2jQKQfKtYShiYr3qkTDDYw8XcY)> wrote:
Petrus, et.al.

Scott Mandelker gives a clear perspective on references to Yahweh in
the Ra material here:
http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles2/gnostic2.html'

He notes that Yahweh initially is characterized as a benevolent, well-
meaning interventionist in planetary life 75,000 years ago: "RA
describes Yahweh's first contact of 75,000 years ago through "genetic
changes" in a form similar to what you call the cloning process. Thus
entities incarnated in the image of the Yahweh entities [with] one
purpose only: that to express in the mind/body/spirit complex those
characteristics which would lead to further and more speedy
development of the spiritual complex" (p.173-4)."

Despite those good intentions, however, the cloning process was based
on an un-natural establishment of differentiation among 3d humans in
the evolution of mind/body/spirit complex, therefore unintentionally
serving as a way to promote separateness instead of unity.

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/14/06 6:33:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
petrus4@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=VgkXx4n5Ruu4JTX0Wz_4TPbYjkH1c6qLdAgH1Q Gcjo5jXy5N_QnMfIX1GQXFT0fc_Rt7agxoDdwVLvzBtA) writes:

> ...lately I've been starting to realise that
> the majority aren't actually negative. It's just that negative types tend
> to be both a lot more active and assertive

I like that idea, Petrus. But then perhaps we humans get more excited about
self-service than serving others. Certainly society rewards greed more than
nurturing. Now I don't know what to believe. Perhaps that is me making
progress.

I am also open to the idea that Yahwah was well-meaning and his story was
corrupted by hyperactive, assertive bullies that took control of the religious
organization.

Agape,
Don Eli

[Petrus]

> another planet. I wonder how that can be, since the social balance is
> negative
> on Earth. Wouldn't that violate free will? Or would it be well and
> proper

Hi Don,
I used to believe that, too...but lately I've been starting to realise that
the majority aren't actually negative. It's just that negative types tend
to be both a lot more active and assertive, and hence, even though the
majority aren't negative, they tend to get ploughed under by those who are.
It's the reason why politics is generally a scoundrel's game...it's because
said scoundrels are the only people interested in it. More genuinely
morally sound individuals aren't interested in having power over others at
all...We're just living our lives, and spending time with those we care
about. The concept of, to paraphrase The Brain, trying to take over the
world isn't something which holds large amounts of appeal.

That however is why the proverbial "silent majority", are silent...they're
too busy, and they're generally also not as assertive or ambitious.

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/14/06 11:30:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
johnnypi@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=VAI8JkVlKgpgSqIfNyhogqSUGkhzZwxGgb7J8w 7iLKTcuP-qTwdtqO1JdtkIHtyfWRe_M3qO3MQB) writes:

> Scott Mandelker gives a clear perspective on references to Yahweh in
> the Ra material here:
> http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles2/gnostic2.html'
>
> He notes that Yahweh initially is characterized as a benevolent, well-
> meaning interventionist in planetary life 75,000 years ago

Very interesting site. Here is more from the following page:

http://www.scottmandelker.com/Articles2/gnostic3.html

Orion is said to have heavily distorted many aspects of current, normative
Hebrew religion. When asked about the origin of the Ten Commandments, Ra stated:
"The origin of these commandments follows the law of negative entities
impressing information upon positively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes
[here,
impressed upon Moses, whom Ra considered an extremely benevolent soul].
....Interestingly, this shows us how a simple message of loving unity,
dignity and respect for others became distorted by that group's insistent need
to do
something physical in the human world (ie, in "third-density," the plane of
physical humanity). It is not that Ra here recommends killing, stealing, lying,
and all other prohibited actions of the Commandments, of course. Their point
is simply that when humans demand their leader to tell them what to do and
what not to do, then the doors to negative control and deception are opened.
Tyrants, dictators and fascists are always supported atop the voluntary
abnegation
of self-responsibility of the peoples they rule. Thus, Ra states that the
Orion group came to the early Hebrews in the guise of the original Confederation
entity, Yahweh, becoming, in effect, a "false-Yahweh" -- in a manner curiously
similar to just what the Gnostics claimed.