Good and Evil

[jess9dob]

RA says there is no good and evil, then later RA tells of "the knowledge of
good and evil" (see below). He can't have it both ways.

Agape,
Don Eli

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D. LUCIFER IS NOT THE ÃÂà ƒÂ‚Ã‚ÂƒÃƒÂƒÃ‚ÂƒÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â‚Ãƒ ƒÂ‚¢??DEVIL"

RA: In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true
light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the
entities of
this logos (galactic creator) from the Edenic conditions of constant
contentment and also provided the impetus to move, to work, and to learn. (B4,
21)

[Note: In other words, the presence of the negative forces provided the
catalyst for growth, giving the knowledge of polarity and evil. By creating such
intense struggle and hardship, the Luciferian force stimulated desire for change
and growth in otherwise harmonious but slow-advancing cultures.]

[jess9dob]

RA has answered my question about how he considers there is no good and evil,
yet he also uses the concept of good and evil as being valid. He explains
how the negative path eventually leads to a free-will choice to reverse
polarization:

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XIV. THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE HIGHER SELVES

RA: There are no negative beings that have obtained the Higher Self
manifestation. (B2, 66)

XV. NEGATIVE SIXTH DENSITY ENTITIES SWITCH TO THE POSITIVE PATH

RA: As the 6th density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into
confusion and little space travel is attempted. (B3, 13)

RA: These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty
which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after 5th density graduation
wisdom is available but it must be matched with an equal amount of love. This
is difficult to do for negatively oriented entities so they will choose to
release the negativity and leap into 6th density positive. (B2, 66)

RA: The 6th density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes the
spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express the unity of
the
6th density.

THUS, LOVING THE CREATOR AND REALIZING AT SOME POINT THAT THE CREATOR IS NOT
ONLY SELF BUT OTHER-SELF AS SELF, THIS ENTITY CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSES AN
INSTANTANEOUS ENERGY REORIENTATION SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE ITS EVOLUTION. (B2,
66)

[jupitergirl63]

Yes, the souls itself is pure...but it is what we learn (both
positive and negative) by incarnating again and again that traps us
in "negative" energy (or "positive" energy) and we have to learn to
undo the "negative" energy because it violates the Law of One and we
cannot merge with the Creator when we have this negative vibe. Evil
occurs when I pure soul violates the Law of One in their thoughts,
words or actions. We have to learn to tame and understand self in
thought, word, and action and not simply react to a stimuli and then
abstain from responsibility for our actions (good or bad). Free
will means learning to choose versus being reactive. Once we master
this I believe we would have the same powers that Jesus demonstrated
when he cured the ill, or raised the dead.

Jan

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=yXrWmxCGIuGvebNAyIlfAKtTUd7f2Sb2Ye0w0h eM2JPtMD2Algemux6zYcP7LqO3QZ2JqSIMzDpb-FBIT8o), viviangardens@... wrote:
>
> RA has answered my question about how he considers there is no
good and evil,
> yet he also uses the concept of good and evil as being valid. He
explains
> how the negative path eventually leads to a free-will choice to
reverse
> polarization:
>
> http://www.divinecosmos.com/index.php?
option=com_content&task=view&id=123&Item
> id=36
>
> XIV. THERE ARE NO NEGATIVE HIGHER SELVES
>
> RA: There are no negative beings that have obtained the Higher
Self
> manifestation. (B2, 66)
>
> XV. NEGATIVE SIXTH DENSITY ENTITIES SWITCH TO THE POSITIVE PATH
>
> RA: As the 6th density approaches, the negative orientation is
thrown into
> confusion and little space travel is attempted. (B3, 13)
>
> RA: These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a
difficulty
> which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after 5th
density graduation
> wisdom is available but it must be matched with an equal amount of
love. This
> is difficult to do for negatively oriented entities so they will
choose to
> release the negativity and leap into 6th density positive. (B2, 66)
>
> RA: The 6th density negative entity is extremely wise. It observes
the
> spiritual entropy occurring due to the lack of ability to express
the unity of the
> 6th density.
>
> THUS, LOVING THE CREATOR AND REALIZING AT SOME POINT THAT THE
CREATOR IS NOT
> ONLY SELF BUT OTHER-SELF AS SELF, THIS ENTITY CONSCIOUSLY CHOOSES
AN
> INSTANTANEOUS ENERGY REORIENTATION SO THAT IT CAN CONTINUE ITS
EVOLUTION. (B2, 66)
>

[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ZaxJ0oaPjQ0zrh-FRDsfp_c15OgeUxRDJkzBJgPNNdNprAhFYT6qKUG7PEBmF7c2k q_AiJTvx2UR9e1PLJcu), viviangardens@... wrote:
>
> RA says there is no good and evil, then later RA tells of "the
knowledge of
> good and evil" (see below). He can't have it both ways.
>

Yes this is something that can create a lot of confusion.
This is how I see it: in the big picture there is truly only oneness,
pure unity, infinity, no good or bad. This can be experienced in deep
meditation or whatver. But on a 3d level we still have polarities,
there is a choice to be made between service to others or service to
self. The key here is that there is no eternal polarity only a choice.
Both choices are totally acceptable and none is better then the other
BUT a choice has to be made.
A big confusion that can happen from this is the so called absolute
mistake. This means that people say ah everything is unity and oneness
so it doesn't matter what I do, all is good. This becomes dangerous if
there is no clear understanding or clear experience of unity, because
a deep unity experience by itself is service to others. Cause if there
is a bad understanding of unity people for example could think ah it's
no problem that I kill somebody, it's all part of unity...
On a 3d level it does really matter if you kill somebody or not. It's
all about the choice. In this way killing somebody is acceptable in
the big picture but it's not our way...

Hope this shed some light.
Peace,
Filip

[Chris]

Hello Filip,

What we need to remember about the Law of One is the concept of Free Will. Yes,
we do need to make a choice regarding our polarity here, but, when we infringe
upon another's free will such as robbery, rape, or murder, we are tampering with
another's free will. This is the underlying reason why humans have made these
things crimes, whether or not we realize it. We attach 'good' or 'bad' to an
action, but we have done that because we are seeing free will infringement.

Now, religions generally confuse the issue by making a judgement call and
calling it 'good' or 'bad', such as eating meat on Friday or whatever, and these
things do not necessarily infringe on free will, and that is the difference from
the examples above and a strictly human bias, and probably where good and bad
become confusing in meaning to us. Chris

From: Filip Van Droogenbroeck <dareshdaresh@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=xZGb-CHu_MpJ_wO8teP3DCaQ5qJ2ARlfbXxysai1l51YV218G0kipw0 0PUk1imdsZ23Xn_WXmQ0n3akArg--)>
On a 3d level it does really matter if you kill somebody or not. It's
all about the choice. In this way killing somebody is acceptable in
the big picture but it's not our way...

Hope this shed some light.
Peace,
Filip

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/12/06 10:18:33 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jupitergirl63@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=Uzt5uaZGoKTWFRnBjyjP6rpS_QUH_fLsvT0jjZ 30ikKx8Cle3DMe2EaGLHEPiyuGUZxHxls3e0x_ceEEK0G6QQ) writes:

> We have to learn to tame and understand self in
> thought, word, and action and not simply react to a stimuli and then
> abstain from responsibility for our actions (good or bad).

The question I ask is "Why?" The bully would say because he told me so
(Jehovah). The friend would tell me stories and encourage me to figure it out
for
myself. Why choose virtue over vice?

Agape,
Don Eli

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/13/06 5:40:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dareshdaresh@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=XjZv1OPT3BttHxSL9nqBSquHS_Gn59fFJe44f9 BFPkHMIhi56p42sEKZ6WdcHIsewrjJwRzfTO5zh-uzkA) writes:

> people say ah everything is unity and oneness
> so it doesn't matter what I do, all is good. This becomes dangerous if
> there is no clear understanding or clear experience of unity

So free will is all virtue if I see the other as part of my larger self
(unity), and free will may lead to vice if I see myself as separate. However, I
feel separate because of the veil of forgetfulness. So must I penetrate the
veil to know unity, and would that not defeat the purpose of the veil and thus
lesson my potential for growth? Or must I come to know unity by study, and only
by way of reason?

Agape,
Don Eli

[jupitergirl63]

Jan: We have to learn to tame and understand self in thought, word,
and action and not simply react to a stimuli and then abstain from
responsibility for our actions (good or bad).

Don: The question I ask is "Why?" The bully would say because he
told me so (Jehovah). The friend would tell me stories and
encourage me to figure it out for myself. Why choose virtue over
vice?

Jan: One can choose virtue or vice. The real question is "do I take
responsiblity for my choice?" We want the ability to truly create
what's in our lives versus letting fate determine it. It is said
that we use only 10% if our brain. I would disagree with this
statement. I believe that we use our entire brain but that we are
not able to control the other 90% yet. That other 90% contains
unconscious thoughts that create things in our lives just as muchas
the 10% that we are aware of. If we can learn to be responsible for
our lives and live our truths (which means also coming to terms with
our "bad" sides) then we can do so much more to incredibly focus our
thoughs on what we really want to create. Most people who "choose"
vice are NOT choosing but reacting. Just because you have emotions
doesn't mean you have to be reactive. This I see as a victim
mentality where the person basically says that they are not
responsible for themselves, their actions, or what they create.

Why use just use the heart chakra (which can be overloaded at times)
or the root chakra (which can really get out of hand) and be
reactive on a emotional or sexual level? We need to learn to get al
the chakras working in unison to make better choices and learn from
our mistakes (which we will surely make). When all of our chakras
are involved in making a decision it is often a better choice in the
end. Do we see God as being reactive or procreative in the world?
Surely we think of him/her as being balanced in energy. I'd hate to
have a God that runs on a whim and is not in control of his/her
thoughts.

Janet

[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=ggK9H6x0MpR8YHzAp6p6dv_DFAi5Ra9BDCTu3B C_8-kiqaPKbAoO7EdDKlfO7sy6sfO2C8Slpd-_tyA), Chris <chris.hamilton2@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Filip,
>
> What we need to remember about the Law of One is the concept of Free
Will. Yes, we do need to make a choice regarding our polarity here,
but, when we infringe upon another's free will such as robbery, rape,
or murder, we are tampering with another's free will. This is the
underlying reason why humans have made these things crimes, whether or
not we realize it. We attach 'good' or 'bad' to an action, but we have
done that because we are seeing free will infringement.
>

Yes it is tampering with another's free will but in the big picture
this is all a part of unity. If we are truly able to unconditionally
love everything then even killing is acceptable but this does not mean
it is our way as it is clearly not service to others. But the way of
acceptance is the way of service to others. This also includes
acceptance of the shadow sides of humanity and ourselves. In buddhism
they say it a lot to, for example when somebody comes with anger to
you, it's possible to accept this anger and instead of feeling anger
to, feel compassion for the person because they are clearly suffering...

Greets,
Filip

[jess9dob]

In a message dated 9/14/06 10:04:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dareshdaresh@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=gCfXwa3YdPwFy7hUhWgCTfLklFTWs_Pf2HfUxT o10u3_-9q8zJNFjKrAopqsFs9EEvx0oJz1sofFv6Yo83gzPw) writes:

> In buddhism
> they say it a lot to, for example when somebody comes with anger to
> you, it's possible to accept this anger and instead of feeling anger
> to, feel compassion for the person because they are clearly suffering...

I am reminded that Janet said (a couple of posts ago): One can choose virtue
or vice. The real question is "do I take responsibility for my choice?" In
the Buddist example, I think it is loving for me to feel compassion for the
person assaulting me with his anger. I agree that he is coming from fear and
suffering (assuming I have not in fact harmed him). I can show him love while
still saying no to his desire to make me accept responsibility for his anger.
This I have done successfully, once by asking: "of whom do I remind you, and
what did he do to you that you hate him so?"

Agape,
Don Eli