Who will be left behind??

[M.W.]

Hi, guys and gals.

The other day I read some speculations on site concerning those who
are not harvestable. Since I couldn't locate the posting I'm making
a new one for the purpose of adding my five bucks to the discussion
(used to be "two-bits" but that was before inflation)

As I recall from my days as an orthodox Christian that there is a
passage in the bible that spells out Jesus' attitude toward different
churches of the time. he declared that those who were neither hot nor
cold, but simply lukewarm, would be spat out.

That seems a perfect description of what actually obtains in the
system described by RA... Those who are lukewarm never make the grade
one way or the other so they (we/me ) have to keep recycling 3D until
one polarity or the other finally "takes" and really grabs hold of
our life.

Even in the case of a once succesfully graduated wanderer they also
could get caught in a lukewarm limbo posture and find themselves once
again back on recycle. That does seem a possibility as some positive
oriented wanderers coming to help out have -- much to their shocked
surprise -- found themselves on "graduation" dumped into a nasty
negative polarity world. AGGGHHHH! As I understand it, it is no easy
task for such to get things turned around.

billybobspitball

[Petrus]

Hi Billybob,

> That seems a perfect description of what actually obtains in the
> system described by RA... Those who are lukewarm never make the grade
> one way or the other so they (we/me ) have to keep recycling 3D until
> one polarity or the other finally "takes" and really grabs hold of
> our life.

I think I've said this before...but I feel myself anyway that focusing on
whether any of us are going to score seats on "Heaven's Airplane" to quote
Joan Osborne (or a possible LoO equivalent, if such a thing exists) is not
only entirely futile, but is also likely to result only in us making some
rather bitter and generally unpleasant judgements about people, one way or
the other. The point here I think is not to care about how you're going to
rate according to a measure which somebody else has set up...but instead to
simply focus on being ourselves. I can remember thinking when I read Ra's
comments about "homework" that in all honesty, the only thing I could or
would focus on in life was merely being myself...and that whether or not
said "homework" got done in the course of said lifetime was completely fine.
I think a quote from Patrick Stewart is appropriate, here:-

"If we're going to be damned, (or saved) then let's be damned for who we
really are."

That to me is the only thing that is really important...that even if I do
"make it," I only will purely as a result of being genuine...that my
behaviour will not have been artificially altered by feeling that I have to
act a certain way in order to pass a test.

[jeffreykiksit]

3d can be confusing. The more you "know" the harder it is. We contemplate many
many
4d 5d and 6d issues and curiosities. And although this is posible in 3d, our
perspective is
limited, and often our conclusions will change once we get to these other
densities when
ever that may be.

From what I understand, the true use of 3d is for making the choice. Wanderers
are proof
that no one is left behind. Plus, what does it say that after graduating 3ird
density once,
then 4ourth 5ith and 6ith that you chose to come all the way back to 3d.

In Davids last post did he suggest that some people would continue to be
wanderers in 3d
after the shift? Almost sounded kind of cool if its in the astral plane as he
descibed. Kind
of like hanging out at college after you graduated?

And once you leave this time, will you be back again? How bout the next octave,
if there is
one(there must be right?)... Any way, 3d is a place to be, not a place to
escape from.
Although thats what I constantly want to do, time is an illusion. Even once you
gain or
regain the perspective of 6d, there is a time where you will say to your self
"Ok, im going
back." Heck we dont even talk about our experiences in 2d, maybe there is
nothing to
"talk" about. But all densities in some way must be equal, all timeless all
bound together
at once.

Concentrating on getting out of 3d never brings me hapiness, one of these days I
hope to
come to peace with what goes on in 3d, the good the bad and the ugly.








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>
> Hi Billybob,
>
> > That seems a perfect description of what actually obtains in the
> > system described by RA... Those who are lukewarm never make the grade
> > one way or the other so they (we/me ) have to keep recycling 3D until
> > one polarity or the other finally "takes" and really grabs hold of
> > our life.
>
> I think I've said this before...but I feel myself anyway that focusing on
> whether any of us are going to score seats on "Heaven's Airplane" to quote
> Joan Osborne (or a possible LoO equivalent, if such a thing exists) is not
> only entirely futile, but is also likely to result only in us making some
> rather bitter and generally unpleasant judgements about people, one way or
> the other. The point here I think is not to care about how you're going to
> rate according to a measure which somebody else has set up...but instead to
> simply focus on being ourselves. I can remember thinking when I read Ra's
> comments about "homework" that in all honesty, the only thing I could or
> would focus on in life was merely being myself...and that whether or not
> said "homework" got done in the course of said lifetime was completely fine.
> I think a quote from Patrick Stewart is appropriate, here:-
>
> "If we're going to be damned, (or saved) then let's be damned for who we
> really are."
>
> That to me is the only thing that is really important...that even if I do
> "make it," I only will purely as a result of being genuine...that my
> behaviour will not have been artificially altered by feeling that I have to
> act a certain way in order to pass a test.
>

[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

Bobspitball, I match your five and add five more to the pot lol!

Years ago Creator told me that the 4th dimension would be blending with the 3rd.
It wasn't until my daughter Jenny crossed over last year and spoke to me of the
place that she first went that I got a sense of what 4th is like. She said that
every thought she had created a reality. I asked her what she would call that
place and she told me "Wonderland." When I asked her why, she replied that
absolutely everything she wondered about immediately manifested for her.

It was difficult for her as Spirit because she no longer had the five senses to
use in order to interact and interface with what she was able to create. For
example, she could create her favorite foods, ones that she had been having to
restrict consumption of in this life as a result of her diabetes, but she could
not taste them any longer. That realm was fun for her at first but she became
increasing frustrated at the limitations of experiencing it in her Spirit form.
She had to let go of alot of attachments to the physical existence that no
longer served her and some of it was hard for her to do.

That in itself caused her no end of grief as she manifested frightening
scenarios for herself when she started to get upset over what she could no
longer enjoy, having left the physical realm and sensory interaction. Coming
into Human form is a gift that we rarely Honor for how special it is. We
concentrate more on what we don't have rather than finding joy in what we do.
We waste our time worrying over missed opportunites instead of being aware of
the ones we have right here, right now while we wear these amazing space-suits.

It is my feeling that we are now fully immersed in the blend of 3rd and 4th. I
just asked Creator if all of us that are walking the earth are affected by the
melding and the answer was "Yes, although many will not be aware of it. It will
only be apparent to those who are watching carefully and taking responsibility
for their Creations." I for one have found the manifestations of my thoughts
appearing faster than ever. I don't always like the end result but I can
clearly see how I set it up to experience it.

In the Indian way you will hear about prayer sticks. Often they are intricately
beaded works of art that are prayerfully created and used in ceremony. While
working with a man last spring he showed me GOD's prayer sticks. Most of us
have seen them for they are simply pieces of branches that have a fork in them.
The Truth of walking in this life is that we are constantly given choices of
directions to go with our existence. Each choice we make takes us one direction
or another and we reap the consequences of our decisions. Some have even
posited that another dimensional part of ourselves goes the other way and exists
simultaneously with the one we are aware of in the now. Also that occasionally
we bump into our alter selves and that causes us to have memories of another
place and other people that we can't place in this one. I have enough trouble
keeping up with myself in this existence to put too much energy into wondering
where else I might be at any given moment.

I feel that we are living the best possible life when we are making choices from
our hearts. If for no other reason than not harboring guilt and shame within
ourselves over our decisions. If one is connected with Creator than its even
easier to know the optimum, highest order, Soul progressing choice to make.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

[Mel Malin]

Patrick Stewart read that line during "Encounter at farpoint", the opening
episode of Star Trek, the Next Generation. Interesting that you made reference
to this - we picked up the entire series at Frys yesterday. [moderator note: if
you are interested to learn more, please email Mel] We watched the opening
episode last night.

One can only try to pretend to be something s/he is not...it's not possible.
The vibration one is comes through loud and clear. It is always revealed in one
form or another whether one's orientation is STO or STS. Since like does
attract like, the RA material seems to be a likely explanation of the coming
events during the ascension. The more I live on our beautiful planet, the truer
the quote "Virtue is its own reward" rings for me. "To thine own self be true"
is my all time favorite. If you live true to your Spiritual heart's dictates
(rather than the emotional one), that's the best guide.

Bless everyone,
Meli


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[M.W.]

Hi, Jeffrey and Petrus

I can't disagree with the points you brought up. I would only gild
the lilly a bit.

Apropos of below: All enities are imbued with a drive to advance
spiritually, so we naturally have an element in our makeup to get up
and out of wherever we find ourselves; that aspect is a part of our
true being that Petrus mentions. Keep in mind that a really big
thing in the RA "papers" is the sovereignty of free will. Besides the
question of what THAT actually is, and can do, one does assume from
that evaluation that we have the power to change our makeup and
degree of polarity. (However, as I've written before regarding this
subject that, in general, modifying one's nature cannot be done
directly by an act of simple "volition"..... that means we are unable
to will ourselves directly to no longer have a powerful craving --
such as an addiction to some nasty habit like smoking -- even though
it was originaly initiated by an act of our will. The behavioral
psychologist Andrew Salter once wrote this little reminder: "It is a
truism of epic proportions that habits have a tendecy to remain
habitual.") The point is that sometimes we have to use our will in an
indirect manner in order to modify our characters (fake it until you
make it??)

Concerning the "Masters" that remain by choice in the inner planes to
help those coming along. They can indeed provide pragmatic
help in addressing our common problems as they are experts in
specific conditions that are "transiant" and not the proper
concern of such compound entities such as RA who contemplate higher
spiritual horizons. (this point can be found elaborated upon at
LLResearch) BUT because they have interupted their natural agenda of
progressing onward in order to remain available in service to their
little brothers and sisters, the inner-planes masters of the White
Brotherhood are said to lack certain special qualities obtained by
those who have graduated and have moved on to studies in more
advanced densities.

My best to all,Love, billybobclueless

P.S. My apologies for writing in such a dense convoluted style. It is
an unfortunate hangover from too many years of studying W.G.T.
Shedd's massive 1894 work on "Dogmatic Theology". Come to think of it
my style has not been helped by reading RA! Yes, I do need to work on
the KISS principle! (:>))



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wrote:
>
> From what I understand, the true use of 3d is for making the
choice. Wanderers are proof
> that no one is left behind. Plus, what does it say that after
graduating 3ird density once,
> then 4ourth 5ith and 6ith that you chose to come all the way back
to 3d.
>
> --- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=oYRwExCDijoQE8oS7W0EYRcskTudsdX-fLg-jdnQUuyVrBGwVXTkxUbnCf9FS8ztwnUw0GDu4DGlwUU), "Petrus" <petrus4@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Billybob,
> >
> > > That seems a perfect description of what actually obtains in the system
described by RA... Those who are lukewarm never make the
grade one way or the other so they (we/me ) have to keep recycling 3D until
one polarity or the other finally "takes" and really grabs hold of our life.

[M.W.]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=M0vIREQkLZtvua-tg8HwULdj_lQA0UZOWF1MQc1DtXAHnKDl3jjrD9B2SkxcetZoJ LilsG3Aq1q_sJV9GRTuDQ), "Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer"
<GS5555@...> wrote:
>
> Bobspitball, I match your five and add five more to the pot lol!
>

Hmmmm... thats MR billybobspitball, Tex!

(:>))

Dear Ms Gayle, You bring up a host of interesting ideas via your
special connection. I'm reminded once again that within the borders
of each discreet density also exist a near infinity of finite sub
divisions.

I'm not sure that a "blending" of the 3rd and 4th is quite the right
concept tho. Perhaps its the individual doing the blending? But then
again the earth is moving into a cosmic cycle that facilitates 4th
dimensionality -- leastwise as far as the orientation of the planet
herself goes -- but since under other circumstances we can be
harvested to the fourth, independant of the state of the planet, then
just how does all that add up? I'm confused.

Probably nothing of importance ten thousand years from now.

Apologies. Had to snip the remainder of your message else our dear
moderator Chris would have had kittens...

However one little thing got my attention and that was your referring
to our bodies as "Space Suits"... but thats too glamorous. A more
colorful appraisal was given through another channel when the exalted
entities involved classified our cumbersome bodies as simply, "Meat
Suits". For some reason that concept really hit me right between my
bloodshot, and yes, meaty, eyeballs.

many Smilies and best wishes, billywhatever

> GAYLE SAID ## Years ago Creator told me that the 4th dimension
would be blending with the 3rd. It wasn't until my daughter Jenny
crossed over last year and spoke to me of the place that she first
went that I got a sense of what 4th is like. She said that every
thought she had created a reality. I asked her what she would call
that place and she told me "Wonderland." When I asked her why, she
replied that absolutely everything she wondered about immediately
manifested for her.

SNIP SNIP

[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

Good questions MR billybobspitball,

Far be it from me to be disrespectful lol! Course you didn't say if you were
matching my five or uping the ante!
A gal needs to know what the stakes are before she shows her cards doncha think!
A Know when to hold em, know when to fold em kinda thing!

As to my vernacular, I'm not a scientist so I don't use technical terms and GOD
doesn't often use them with me either since He knows my limitations as well as
my reading audience. You asked if perhaps the individual is doing the blending?
I'd have to say yes since thats what we Humans do all the time. I can't see that
changing anytime soon. We are awesome and/or fearsome creators depending on
where our thoughts wonder.

Will my experience of 4D match my daughter's? I hope not. I pray that I have
learned from what I watched her go through and will make more enlightened
choices. That I will be ready to release 3D when it is time for me to make my
transition. I plan to live as full a life as I can while I wear My "meat suit
so that I don't have regrets when its time for me make my exit."

If I am to keep this costume when we are fully into 4D I sure would appreciate
an upgrade but GOD only knows if that is part of the deal. I'd like to think so
and have put in my order for some new and improved body parts lol! The debate is
still on concerning whether we keep these dense bodies or shed them and become
lighter than air. Maybe we can compare notes as time goes on.

Will your experience of 4D match mine? I don't know MR billybobspitball but I
can't imagine it will any more than our 3D existence has. I'd venture to guess
that it would take some indepth conversation for us to find things we have in
common. I don't doubt that we could if we worked at it. Some things are pretty
general across the board but specifics are another area entirely and from what
Jenny told me, 4D is really specific. Unless we become some kind of hive mind
(heaven forbid), Humanity will continue to make diverse choices that result in a
myriad of outcomes.

What I envision is everyone having a totally unique experience of 4D. I believe
that our inner Spiritual work has a profound effect on our Soulful vibrations
and that the level we have personally attained determines how we merge or
resonate with the energies surrounding us. I'd say a good example of what it
wil be like for 3D and 4D to exist a the same time would be similar to what its
like to discuss the Law of One with, oh I don't know... a Southern Baptist
preacher or the teenager ringing us up at Walmart.

We are already experiencing living on the same planet and moving in different
worlds. Take that and multiply it exponentially and we might be able to grasp
how intense its going to get.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind (Tex for short)

[Valarie Vousden]

Oh, Billybob, we love you--however you want to write it, whatever style is just
fine! We just want to hear from you. Your words move and inspire me, personally.
And you never fail to get me to smile! Put that in your pocket!

L/L,
Valarie






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[jeffreykiksit]

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> Bobspitball, I match your five and add five more to the pot lol!
> Years ago Creator told me that the 4th dimension would be blending with the
3rd. It
wasn't until my daughter Jenny crossed over last year and spoke to me of the
place that she
first went that I got a sense of what 4th is like. She said that every thought
she had created
a reality. I asked her what she would call that place and she told me
"Wonderland." When I
asked her why, she replied that absolutely everything she wondered about
immediately
manifested for her.
____________________________________
hmm, hmm, this is complex.........
Why do you assume that your daughter went to the 4d? Im sure im wrong, but from
what I
read that is not likely. isnt she in 3d astral plane? Are you saying she
asended upon death?
Also, you commented that she could conjure up all sorts of 3d illusions without
the 5
senses. She called it wonderland, but in a way it sounds pretty awefull. Food
without taste,
sex without feeling? From what I understand this isnt 4d, this is 3d astral
plane, certainly no
wonderland. I just think there is more to it, and I dont want the newbies to be
confused.

[Adam West]

Hello there,\

Jeffrey wrote:

"our perspective is
limited, and often our conclusions will change once we get to these other
densities when
ever that may be."

In my view, this is SO true! Over the years I have studied various forms of
meditation and spiritual development, and during that time, I have found myself
being in higher dimensional states of consciousness for short periods of time
and also for months at a time. In the various eastern traditions, such as
Indian Yoga and so forth, this is known as various levels of Samadhi. While in
these states, I have found that I understood various things, however, these
understandings are not very well translated to language and communicated to
others. Also, as I am not in the state as I used to be in, I can still recall
these direct intuitive realisations to some extent, however, I have realized
that I can't gain full access anymore, (it just will not translate into my
current cognitive framework), as these understandings are 'state' dependent, and
I am no longer in these states of higher consciousness.

So the point is, that which we think we know now, however advanced we think
we are, is by definition, limited to our current state of awareness; and you
just cannot appreciate the 'full' extent of the difference to which you whole
philosophy and point of view is, in these states as it is compared to now.
Thus, I have come to realise, that placing much stock in our and others
realisations is really quite redundant, if we are claim to be representing
'truth' by those understandings - it's just not an accurate depiction of the
state of things (forgive the pun) ;-) All we are really doing is using a more
refined and subtle means to support our own ego structures. Instead of wasting
our time placing such value in the intellectual claims of ourselves and others -
we would be much more effective in pursuing direct or trans-cognitive
realisation of those states or higher consciousness for ourself - that is,
directly realising that understanding, rather than misrepresenting it in our
current trivial intellectualisations. We do this via learning and practicing
meditation - which results in dropping the mind, not its unending perpetuation -
and accessing pure awareness.

Study of words and the dialectic really is quite redundant if it is truth
you are seeking! These states are about as different as when we were five year
old children, as compared to now. So you can see how if a five year old spent
their time reading and debating, one can see the limitations of that process;
its sheer folly, for they are fundamentally limited by their state of
consciousness. Thus we can see that any conclusions that we think we have right
now, however sophisticated we think they are, will be seen to be the childish
meanderings of a five year old (figuratively speaking) after ascension - and
even intermediary states before that point (depending on how you are
characterizing ascension.

But then people act out their current state by definition, so it is equally
folly to expect otherwise ;-)

In kind regards,

Adam.

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[j_stubler]

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wrote:
>
> Hi, guys and gals.
>
> The other day I read some speculations on site concerning those
who
> are not harvestable. Since I couldn't locate the posting I'm
making
> a new one for the purpose of adding my five bucks to the
discussion
> (used to be "two-bits" but that was before inflation)
>
> As I recall from my days as an orthodox Christian that there is a
> passage in the bible that spells out Jesus' attitude toward
different
> churches of the time. he declared that those who were neither hot
nor
> cold, but simply lukewarm, would be spat out.
>
> That seems a perfect description of what actually obtains in the
> system described by RA... Those who are lukewarm never make the
grade
> one way or the other so they (we/me ) have to keep recycling 3D
until
> one polarity or the other finally "takes" and really grabs hold of
> our life.
>
> Even in the case of a once succesfully graduated wanderer they
also
> could get caught in a lukewarm limbo posture and find themselves
once
> again back on recycle. That does seem a possibility as some
positive
> oriented wanderers coming to help out have -- much to their
shocked
> surprise -- found themselves on "graduation" dumped into a nasty
> negative polarity world. AGGGHHHH! As I understand it, it is no
easy
> task for such to get things turned around.
>
> billybobspitball
>
(JOE)

Billy,

As I read the RA material --- this time around everyone will be
harvested and no one will be "left behind". Instead, everyone will
move to that level of density where they feel most comfortable.
Staying in 3D is should not be considered a penalty since each
entity is in the density that is most appropriate to them.

[M.W.]

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>
> Oh, Billybob, we love you--however you want to write it, whatever
style is just fine! We just want to hear from you. Your words move
and inspire me, personally. And you never fail to get me to smile!
Put that in your pocket!
>
> L/L,
> Valarie

Valarie, my stumbled ego wipes mud off its face, managed a wan
smile, and instruct me to say, "Thank you dear sweet, most kind soul".

I do have a continuing problem in that following shortly after I post
a opinion I then run into something from Ra or Quo -- or David
Wilcock -- etc. that serves to further correct or modify my
understanding as I expressed it on site. I have a growing dent at a
soft spot in my library wall where I then go to bang my head in
penance. (:>)

On a related tack

One recent blooper of mine was the complete misspelling of (the book
of )"Urantia" (I think I rendered it, Unitaria.) (:>(

This is an immense body of channeled work that staggers the
imagination. It is a fact that it has a tremendous influence on
many "New Age" belief systems, and seems to undergird another huge
body of work known as the "Phoenix Journals". All in all its
teachings generally seem a universe or two away from the very
concisely delivered philosopy of the RA material. As I mentioned,
the book of Urantia (I hope I got the name right this time!) was
enquired about in the Ra Material. The red flag went up when the
reply came back (paraphrased) that it was not proper to knock other
channelings, but in this case it was allowed to be said that the work
had not been passed/approved by the council. No reason was given nor
estimate of what degree of misleading or errors --if any -- were
involved. However for students of the Law of One it seems to reek of
mixed polarity.

anyway, the point is that these works are assumed to issue from
Earth's Inner Planes...the Astral complement of the 3rd. And this
seems to fit as the characters seem to be like Star Trek figures in
some vast comic/cosmic federation. (but then RA coming to visit the
Earth as embodied entities in their Venusian form would apparently
fit into that scenario)

The continuing point I'm trying to make is that we tend to overlook
the Earth's inner planes because of our preoccupied fascination with
the 4,5,6,7,8th densities. The fact is that the vast majority of
Earth's humanoid population is to be found in the near
infinite graduations of the inner planes which, although in the
astral, have many of the characteristics of the earthly 3rd
viewpoint.

I had missed understanding this immensity of the astral
when I brashly replied to an asc2k inquiry long ago that the inner
planes were the repository of earthly sprites, elementals ... and of
course fairies. Well, yeah, of course; but that is about as revelent
as saying the Earth is supported on the shoulders of an immense Genie
standing on a huge tortise who swims forever in the sea of
eternity. ( plagarized from a line in "The Thief of Bagdad", 1940 )

Whatever the state of the Earth following transistion the fact
remains that RA has said that the harvest to the 4th will be quite
small. So it is assumed that most of the earthly recycled souls will
remain in the inner astral...whether of Earth or rather that of a new
planetary 3D stage prop remains to be seen.

Another confession to set the record straight!

in the past I have confusedly mixed up the terms 'infinite
intelligence' and 'intelligent infinity' because I had carelessly
thought them as being synonymous. Carla Rueckert was kind enough to
take the time to set me straight. But because of the fact that in a
particular sense they can intersect the same semantic ground it took
me awhile before the light bulb went on. (occasionaly the light still
flickers a bit so I have to pause to re-think it through. )

For those wondering: 'Infinite Intelligence can be one definition of
God in the sense that God's intelligence is not only of infinite
quantity but also that of infinite quality. 'Intelligent infinity' on
the other hand addresses only the quantity but does not specify any
specific degree of quality.

So, in regards to 'intelligent infinity', it is a proper term
applying to the basic building block substance that is formed by
thought into what we recognize as the Cosmos. The quality of Infinite
Intelligence belongs to the much higher order of the creator rather
than the merely created.


Now I better get prepared... hmmm ...Just where did I locate that
soft spot in the wall?

The usual salutations, billybobwallbanger





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[Manuel erizaldo]

Let us consider the term "rejected" versus "not harvested" in the context of
those harvested.

Will that change the perspective, opinions, or comments for some regarding
this chain of thought???

As such, Was "rejected" or forever banished (Is this what some of the
elite-attitude ones want to find or hear?) ever used in the LOO in the context
of the harvestable group??? All still come back to experience for the ONE. It
does not matter does it???

Manny

[Valarie Vousden]

It's all a part of the growing process...don't beat yourself up too much (that's
ego talking, too). I feel the same way when I read some of my past posts but you
live and learn. I'm still living in the Now, as I was then. But in this Now I'm
a little bit better than I was in the last Now. Anyway, don't be so hard on
yourself. We grow with you.

Love,
Valarie

"M.W. (Bill )Gieskieng" <skykieng@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=MY-Q26LSkZGPGqPxn9TgbpTyYo_uoHr5i_o2WBK-65uuYUsywQfgJG_LWNL13jCSnjwi7z-AeRQVay50nw)> wrote:

[jpstephens2012]

I think I'd like to clarify this somewhat. There seems to be some
positions of thought wherein one thinks in terms of punishment/reward.
This is NOT a punishment/reward system for being evil/good. These are
concepts introduced into our religious belief systems by the
bastardization of MAN. There is no "good" or "evil" in reality. We
aren't going to heaven for being good nor are we going to hell for
being bad. This 3rd density reality is merely an illusion created for
us to develop our soul. Nothing really happens here, which is why such
horrible things such as genocide and murder are allowed to happen.
That's not to say that because of knowing this we should become
desensatized to these things. All here in this place is/are catalyst
to promote the development of soul.

No one gets left "behind". It's a process, we each choose. We go where
it is most appropriate and advantageous for us at any particular time
during our development. If we feel we have sucessfully learned those
things necessary and have made the choice to be at least 51% oriented
toward Service to Others then we may choose to progress onward to 4th
density. If in our own judgement we still need to work out things
further in 3rd density or are 50%-94% oriented toward Service to Self
then we will remain in 3rd density. The only time other selves may
become involved in that decision might be if we try to progress
prematurely and thereby disturb the harmony of 4th density, which will
not be allowed. This is a system of free will, ours and others.

I believe this to be the truth as I understand it and as presented in
the Law of One material.

Be Light, Be One

[jupitergirl63]

Hi there JP,

It is interesting to see your viewpoint. I myself have gone through
different gyrations of wondering whether or not evil really existed..
but because of some life events, I have come to a different
perspective. Let me share with you that new perspective.

In my opinion, there is both evil and good just like there is hot and
cold. Everything in the universe has two sides to it. If evil did
not exist, the RA would not express to Carla that someone needs to be
there to hold her hand in the sessions. "Bad" beings (i.e. pure
souls + illusions of separation from the whole) can sometimes come
through a channeled session. People also can do good or do bad.
That we think that things just happen to us versus choosing the world
we create is an illusion but the actual events do really happen.

In the world of dualities it is the understanding of the two
diachotomies and how they interact that benefits a person and
sometimes we learn the hard way. By simply observing (versus
reacting) we can sit back and CHOOSE/CREATE our life. Things like
the holocost and murder are/were REAL (because our thoughts are
real). They are not illusions but rather they show us the result of
our thoughts - the relationship of cause and effect on planet Earth.
They energy is real. What happens/happened is/was real. It is the
thought that we know all there is to know in the universe with our
technological marvels that is the illusion.

Jan

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=mLa0dKdVkZAgtFwnIU8ekC6GXB3nF0JwAgeUJR HevqF4GdzLefH01oukGdQnBPYzJUICma_yuoDkDh8), "jpstephens2012" <jpstephenslives@...>
wrote:
>
> I think I'd like to clarify this somewhat. There seems to be some
> positions of thought wherein one thinks in terms of
punishment/reward.
> This is NOT a punishment/reward system for being evil/good. These
are
> concepts introduced into our religious belief systems by the
> bastardization of MAN. There is no "good" or "evil" in reality. We
> aren't going to heaven for being good nor are we going to hell for
> being bad. This 3rd density reality is merely an illusion created
for
> us to develop our soul. Nothing really happens here, which is why
such
> horrible things such as genocide and murder are allowed to happen.
> That's not to say that because of knowing this we should become
> desensatized to these things. All here in this place is/are catalyst
> to promote the development of soul.
>
> No one gets left "behind". It's a process, we each choose. We go
where
> it is most appropriate and advantageous for us at any particular
time
> during our development. If we feel we have sucessfully learned those
> things necessary and have made the choice to be at least 51%
oriented
> toward Service to Others then we may choose to progress onward to
4th
> density. If in our own judgement we still need to work out things
> further in 3rd density or are 50%-94% oriented toward Service to
Self
> then we will remain in 3rd density. The only time other selves may
> become involved in that decision might be if we try to progress
> prematurely and thereby disturb the harmony of 4th density, which
will
> not be allowed. This is a system of free will, ours and others.
>
> I believe this to be the truth as I understand it and as presented
in
> the Law of One material.
>
> Be Light, Be One
>