About conflicting predictions...

[javiergoitia1]

Hello everybody!

I wanted to pose a question to the group since its been really
badgering me lately. Ive come to love the material given here by
David and firmly believe that what prophesy indicates is a major
change in the near future... the ascension to a higher dimension.
In this many sources seem to agree with David's view of upcoming
events.

What bothers me is that a number of other seemingly legitimate
psychics, remote viewers, etc seem to perceive that events will go
on as normal after 2012. Yes they might see catastrophic events
ocurring or a major change in spirituality around the planet but not
an "ascension". That is what i mean by "as normal".

My question is this... if a legitimate psychic does not see an
ascension but rather a continuing timeline in this dimension as
normal... is that because they are fooling themselves? or something
else is impeding their sight into the future? Notice im not dealing
with the possibility of a psychic being a fake. I just want to know
how a legitimate viewer could end up seeing such a different
outcome.

The two possibilities that comes into my mind is that maybe they see
what they want to see or fear or that maybe its part of the "divine
plan" if you will that they see something else. That for whatever
reason it is their mission to spread this different view or
something to that effect.

I would love to hear your opinions,

Javier

[Colin]

Hello Javier,

If I may be so bold as to present my opinion to the group as I find your
question interesting as well. Presently I am of the mind that my minds jury
is still out regarding whether or not this Ascention will occur as David has
proposed, the Ascention might be a dimentional shift that does not recquire
the physical death of our bodies. Most of what David presents seems quite
true to me and verifiable, though the Ascension he describes can not be
verified until one actually experiences it, at least this is how I presently
see things, though my views change as I gain new insights that resonate as
truth within. So for me there is much room for other interpretations to
exist and just maybe peoples' experiences will differ depending on the group
consciousness that their belief system and vibration most resonate with?
Happy hunting, cheers. - Colin

(Javier writes)
Hello everybody!

I wanted to pose a question to the group since its been really
badgering me lately. Ive come to love the material given here by
David and firmly believe that what prophesy indicates is a major
change in the near future... the ascension to a higher dimension.
In this many sources seem to agree with David's view of upcoming
events.

What bothers me is that a number of other seemingly legitimate
psychics, remote viewers, etc seem to perceive that events will go
on as normal after 2012. Yes they might see catastrophic events
ocurring or a major change in spirituality around the planet but not
an "ascension". That is what i mean by "as normal".


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[David Wilcock]

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javiergoitia1

>I wanted to pose a question to the group since its been really badgering me
lately. I've come to love the material given here by David and firmly
believe that what prophecy indicates is a major change in the near future...
the ascension to a higher dimension.
In this many sources seem to agree with David's view of upcoming events.

>What bothers me is that a number of other seemingly legitimate psychics,
remote viewers, etc seem to perceive that events will go on as normal after
2012. Yes they might see catastrophic events occurring or a major change in
spirituality around the planet but not
an "ascension". That is what I mean by "as normal".

>My question is this... if a legitimate psychic does not see an ascension
but rather a continuing timeline in this dimension as normal... is that
because they are fooling themselves? or something else is impeding their
sight into the future? Notice I'm not dealing with the possibility of a
psychic being a fake. I just want to know how a legitimate viewer could end
up seeing such a different outcome.

>The two possibilities that come into my mind is that maybe they see what
they want to see or fear or that maybe its part of the "divine plan", if you
will, that they see something else. That for whatever reason it is their
mission to spread this different view or something to that effect.

DW: First of all, even though this is a Law of One forum, I am decidedly not
a Law of One inerrantist. If the material in those five books does not line
up with reality that can be independently confirmed and tangibly proven, to
at least a fair degree, then I consider that it should be discarded.

I have yet to find any discrepancies other than the dating of the
construction of the Great Pyramid. Carla, the Law of One "instrument", had
started to say a date that correlated with the well-established Cayce
figure, i.e. 11,000 years ago, then STOPPED mid-sentence and 'corrected' it
to an earlier date. Ra later warned about interference in the same session.
This is the ONLY thing I've found yet that didn't completely check out,
particularly because of Hancock and Bauval's dating of the Giza complex via
its astronomical alignment - thus giving us a scientific as well as
intuitive confirmation.

As Law of One scholars know, the inevitable "favorite" argument for the
validity of the whole series is that no other source seems to have
demonstrated such verifiable scientific proof of higher-dimensional
intelligence and wisdom, BEFORE the science was out to have proven it
correct. Philosophically, Dr. Mandelker's early 1995 research proved that
the Law of One philosophy checks out with the highest, most evolved forms of
Eastern mystical teachings of Oneness. I recently found even more
connections between the Law of One and the Cayce Readings, though a variety
of them are spelled out in "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?".

There do seem to be apparent contradictions around the 2012 scenario within
the Law of One series, and it is an unending source of chatter, one we are
perpetually trying to dim down on this list because it really distracts us
from the study of Law of One philosophy.

Anyway, the new Wilcock/Mandelker 2012 model we sorted out at the IONS
center in San Francisco - the first version that successfully explains ALL
apparent contradictory passages - goes something like this. Between 2011 and
2013, the entire planet experiences a "grid activation" like what normally
happens in the Bermuda Triangle that leads to unmanned ships coming out the
other end with eggs still frying on the stovetop, et cetera. This is
correlated with MULTIPLE black-ops witness testimonies I have been exposed
to that say something very pronounced happens during this time. In fact I
just got second-person testimony of a new one recently - a NASA guy who said
something to the effect of, "We now know that 2012 is IT."

This does seem to be connected to a sudden change in solar behavior and
energy. Actually there ARE some remote viewers, particularly the Ed Dames
camp, who are seeing a massive solar event occur that totally changes
reality on Earth as we know it. Dr. Courtney Brown may have seen this too -
it's been a long time since I read his material. The testimony of Dr. Dan
Burisch includes the fact that an alleged ET he worked with, called J-Rod
among other things, said that a major solar event near the end of 2012
caused a profound, discontinuous shift in life on Earth. There is plenty of
evidence that this entity was actually negatively polarized and did not
understand what really happened, but nonetheless had a decent approximation
that fits with the time and the expected event sequence.

Then I also have been exposed to three different testimonies from people who
worked at Mntauk, or "Phoenix III," saying that they found a "discontinuity
in time" at the end of 2012, and to pass through it is to go into an
ecstatic state of Oneness and liberation. Nothing you see AFTER this time is
fixed.

This also correlates with reports of "Project Looking Glass", which was an
alleged ET reverse-engineered technology that allowed the mind to travel in
time, but was ineffective after 2012 - all you see is white light. At least
two or three different witness testimonies have validated this project's
existence. Burisch's testimony said that the MAJ.I group was so well aware
of this coming effect that they called it the DCTP - the Doctrine of the
Converging Timeline Paradox. The 'Sigma' conferences dealing with these
paradoxes of time studies have been going on since at least the 1970s, if
not earlier. No one knows what to "do" about it. They're not at all thinking
in Law of One terms, of course. The information is so compartmentalized that
a substantial majority of the insider crowd still doesn't know about it yet.


When we put all the Law of One quotes together with the witness testimony
and the aetheric physics model I've constructed, including Dr. Smelyakov's
unique cycle studies regarding 2012, we get what resembles an answer. It
appears that when this happens, every human being's essence is transmuted to
the astral plane, where they go on living. The event, to those who do NOT go
through the breathtaking Ascension experience, will probably feel like an
energetic version of suddenly jumping into a pool of cold water. The mind
quickly restores its balance.

There is a three-way split that occurs at this point - positive, negative
and pending 3D repeaters. Wanderers (positive) may return to their home
density. Most positives will stay near the earth and wait for 4D, when they
can re-inhabit it - AFTER all the 3Ders have moved on to other 3D worlds by
their own free will. Negatives may graduate to 4D negative and leave the
earth's influence.

Before they realize what happened and move on, the repeaters immediately
recreate an astral form of the Earth from their shared group memory. The
first Matrix movie may have unknowingly had a prophecy about this when Neo
finds out from Morpheus that the Matrix was reloaded to appear to be 1999,
when the actual year was more like 2199.

So, I would fully expect that if you were psychic, or remote-viewing a
future Earth some short time past 2012, you may very well see what you think
is the same Earth. You just don't realize that it is the astral Earth
created from people's group memory. Your ESP takes place in the astral to
begin with, so it's not hard to see how the error could occur.

As I have experienced many times in out of body experiences, it is very easy
to do spectacular Ascended feats in the astral plane. So things are going to
get VERY interesting for the 'Reloaded' astral earth at this point. People
who have Ascended and are skillful enough to avoid damage may well return to
this realm and minister to the people in a far more direct way than was
possible before the shift. I am able to do absolutely spectacular things in
the astral plane because I've gone and practiced it. All you have to do is
start trying, but it IS still work, and you can't do everything you want to
do all at once - you have to keep trying. Nonetheless it is MUCH easier.

Ultimately everyone either clicks in to 4D positive or moves on to another
3D world, totally by choice. More 3D incarnations are not hell, any more
than your life right now is hell. This is all chosen by the self, so there
is no validity to the arguments saying that the Law of One model is
preaching a Christian judgment day. It takes between 100 to 700 years for
most people to realize what happened to them and to move on, based on Ra's
estimate.

Remember - the Seth readings said that the energy in ONE human being is
powerful enough to recreate the entire universe. So the collective mind of
humanity can easily go into amnesia, say "Something weird seems to have
happened but we're all fine now," and go on, not even realizing that it's
the astral plane. I can assure you that if I'm in an OBE out there, and I
don't THINK I have Ascended abilities, everything can be pretty normal.
Objects are solid, you eat, you get tired, you sleep, you wake up again.
Then when you have everyone's mind co-creating the same thing, it will be
FAR more normal-seeming than a typical OBE. Yet, like the Truman Show, there
will be ever-increasing hints that something is SERIOUSLY different. Walls
disappearing. People flying. Objects manifesting. Et cetera.

OK, so you've dragged another 'Transient' 2012 post out of me. I guess I'm
feeling a bit generous tonight. Since I've discovered that these "private"
posts are going all over the world on other forums, (which is fine,) my
website address, as always, is www.divinecosmos.com. If you want to learn
more there are many, many resources on this site.

Peace be with you -

- David

[Mel Malin]

Hi,

What is the difference between a negative being and a 3-D repeater? My
thinking is that the 3-D'er is 'asleep' and hasn't yet awakened to his/her true
identity (or discovered the desire to do so) and falls into the group that Jesus
implored God,"Forgive them, for they know not what they do."
The negative being is more conscious and malevolent in intent.
Am I close?
I guess I better break down and buy the RA materials ;). Where, besides
Amazon would I find the books?

Thanks in advance.

Highest regards and blessings,
Meli


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[javiergoitia1]

Thanks for the answer David!

I wasnt trying to get into the issue of whether the ascension will
occur or not but rather what would cause a psychic to see something
else. Sorry if i didnt manage to avoid that question well enough. ;)

Life continuing in the astral plane is a fascinating possibility. It
would explain a lot of the confusion. The predictions even though
seemingly conflicting would actually all be accurate to an extent. It
gives one a lot of perspective when trying to discern the truth among
all the information that gets thrown at us... thrown at those of us
who actually look for it anyway. :) Its like we live in a different
world than the rest of humanity at least in my experience.

Your response is very fascinating and well thought-out. I can see why
people wont leave you alone at parties lol. I think i will wait to
introduce myself until the after-ascension party. Im sure you will be
in a much better mood then! :))))

Javier

[Elmer]

Hey Mel,

My understanding is that a "negative" being is one who has sufficiently
polarized on the service to self path to "graduate". A 3-D repeater is the mass
of humanity that has not polarized sufficiently on either path to graduate and
will therefore repeat the lessons of this density.

It's all about the choosing.

And while I'd encourage you to purchase the Law of One books, as well as The
Re-incarnation of Edgar Cayce, The Wanderer's Handbook, and Secrets of the UFO
to help support the cause, Carla makes the L/L Research publications available
for a free download if you can read PDF files. You can find them here:

http://www.llresearch.org/library.htm

Elmer


Mel Malin <mels.here@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=uN4dD1CGA2B7oj_ThNHDHuh1GgWhcSByXWf4mu 6vHORCiGCOEHY8IhS4MWhPfIi_Fc-ewXDgiD2xYgw)> wrote:
Hi,

What is the difference between a negative being and a 3-D repeater? My
thinking is that the 3-D'er is 'asleep' and hasn't yet awakened to his/her true
identity (or discovered the desire to do so) and falls into the group that
Jesus implored God,"Forgive them, for they know not what they do."
The negative being is more conscious and malevolent in intent.
Am I close?
I guess I better break down and buy the RA materials ;). Where, besides
Amazon would I find the books?

Thanks in advance.

Highest regards and blessings,
Meli






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[j_stubler]

> Hi,
>
> What is the difference between a negative being and a 3-D
repeater? My thinking is that the 3-D'er is 'asleep' and hasn't yet
awakened to his/her true identity (or discovered the desire to do
so) and falls into the group that Jesus implored God,"Forgive them,
for they know not what they do."
> The negative being is more conscious and malevolent in intent.
> Am I close?
> I guess I better break down and buy the RA materials ;). Where,
besides Amazon would I find the books?
>
>(Joe) Meli, as I read the Ra material, to graduate to a positive
(STO) existence you need to be at least 51% polarized to STO. If
you wish to graduate into a negative or (STS) existence, you need to
be at least 95% polarized to STS. Entities that fall between those
two parameters are considered as not having made a choice. And as a
result will remain in 3rd density until that time where they, of
their own free will make that choice. Hope this answers your
question.

Peace

Joe

[Mel Malin]

Hello Elmer and Joe,

Thank you for answering my questions. Elmer, I appreciate the link. What a
plethora of information....I got started on the "Wanderer's" information. Quite
interesting, they speak of RA quite frequently and make reference to the Qu'o
entity often. The author said that she wasn't able to channel RA directly, that
it was dangerous. What does that mean? I just got started on it yesterday.

Blessings,
Meli

[knowtheobscure]

I think the predictions are just different understandings of the
same happening. Its apparent that everyone wont ascend. It actually
makes sense. What happenes after ascension is a toss up. Ive heard
different things as well. One idea being that those who ascend will
leave earth, moving to our "normal" inbetween incarnation state, and
will wait until earth is ready for 4th density habituation. Ive
pondered this idea. Maybe those who leave will leave in spirit.
Considering this whole time conundrum we experience daily. Its
possible that earth will continue like it is. Kind of frozen in
time, but still moving in time if that makes any sense. Its a
perception thing. Me living in this time on earth, I percieve life
from my perspective. If I ascend, maybe I will move beyond this
space time perspective into the inbetween incarnation perspective
(time/space). So my physical body can still exist on earth,
experience the rest of its incarnation, and die. But for me, once
Ive ascended, the experience of the rest of this incarnation will be
from the inbetween incarnation perspective. It will fly by, as if Im
not even in my body. But those who have not ascended will still
experience me and everyone else who has ascended just like any other
day. Its just a ponderance, as thats all we can do for now.

As far Davids prediction, that makes perfect sense as well. I have
only one comment. I feel like the astral and physical densities are
the same substances. So, I dont believe those who dont ascend will
experience an astral world as such that they would be able to see
walls disapearing ect. I believe they will experience a completely
physical world, just as we see it now. Nothing will change, because
the unconscious mind is what holds this physical world together now.
Its just as accurate to say we are in the astral world right now,
just at a lower density.

[Elmer]

Meli,

I'm not sure what statement in Wanderer's you're referring to. Carla Reuckert
is the author and was the primary channel for the RA contact. The RA contact
was established as a result of a group effort by Carla, Don Elkins and Jim
McCarty in 1982. It could be said that it was "dangerous" for Carla to channel
RA in the context that it required a lot of personal energy on her part, and
she was not always in good physical health to begin with. That would be the
only type of danger that I'm aware of.

This was also true of Edgar Cayce. His channeling efforts led to his early
death because of the energy drain.

Happy seeking,
Elmer


Mel Malin <mels.here@... (/group/asc2k/post?postID=1vIorg_shiDKqkYGHg93DglOvb3DhWBrMNIg86 xTfd3NthhTJ2Y86CGUecXNBIbdZTQAEwApj5Y8Wd5z-mA)> wrote:
Hello Elmer and Joe,

Thank you for answering my questions. Elmer, I appreciate the link. What a
plethora of information....I got started on the "Wanderer's" information. Quite
interesting, they speak of RA quite frequently and make reference to the Qu'o
entity often. The author said that she wasn't able to channel RA directly,
that it was dangerous. What does that mean? I just got started on it yesterday.

Blessings,
Meli






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[raistlinflux]

> So, I would fully expect that if you were psychic, or remote-viewing a
> future Earth some short time past 2012, you may very well see what
you think
> is the same Earth. You just don't realize that it is the astral Earth
> created from people's group memory. Your ESP takes place in the
astral to
> begin with, so it's not hard to see how the error could occur.

So that's the catch. If nothing happens, then we should
assume 'something happened', something unprovable that is, which would
hold the theory together.