A question of celibacy?

[fraterandros1]

Hi all,

I seem to recall DW mentioning in his autobiographical book
recommendations from RA that he not engage in masturbation. As many
of you know, there is a long history within eastern traditions of
remaining celibate, that is, no sexual behaviour, solo or otherwise.
Many have interpreted this directive as moral or ethical, and that may
be so in some cases and certainly on a more trivial understanding of
the argument. However, when one looks at the more technical teachings
found in yoga Tantra, it is seen that the directive comes from an
argument about the conservation of prana and so forth.

It is my understanding that RA speaks of sexual behaviour with other
human beings (that is, with a partner) as having an energetic sharing
effect that seems to build and heighten one's energy; thus it is
beneficial.

Modern sexology seems to suggest, solo or coupled sex, with orgasm and
ejaculation (both are not necessarily conjunctive), is beneficial;
with various studies and their interpretations quoted.

So my question is what is the consensus view on this list as to solo
sexual practice? And further, can anyone tell me (or provide quotes -
as I don't have the book) exactly what RA was saying to DW and the
argument behind it?

My specific reason for asking this question, is I am interested in the
cause and effect relationship of orgasm or lack there of, upon the
state of the agents involved as it relates to their energetic systems,
that is, the vitality of their mind, nervous system, health, kundalini
phenomena, depth of absorption (in spiritual practice - meditation)
and realisation of the ground of being (however you conceive that to
be), from first person experience and the RA teachings.

Many thanks to you all!

In kind regards,

Adam.

[David Wilcock]

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>As many of you know, there is a long history within eastern traditions of
remaining celibate, that is, no sexual behaviour, solo or otherwise. Many
have interpreted this directive as moral or ethical, and that may be so in
some cases and certainly on a more trivial understanding of the argument.

...can anyone tell me (or provide quotes - as I don't have the book) exactly
what RA was saying to DW and the argument behind it?

DW: I believe that the relevant Law of One quotes are in Book Three.
Specifically it says that the male orgasm creates an automatic release of
vital energy from the root chakra. In heterosexual sex, the female's energy
replenishes this loss, whereas in solo sexual experiences this does not
occur. Each Law of One session required a sexual energy transfer for the
instrument to have enough energy to bring in the contact.

In my previous counseling work with men I encouraged them to attempt to
reduce the frequency if they asked the question. True avoidance is probably
just about impossible for a young man, and obviously a relationship is the
best catalyst for growth and healthy sexuality. (That is, unless you have my
history, which is unwelcome drama and celibacy in relationship... hence my
'oasis' period at present before navigating the waters again.)

Since many men combine their auto-sexual experiences with looking at
pictures, it is also important to note that if you look at someone else's
face in the moment of orgasm, you are sending them a bolt of energy that is
more than enough to interrupt their free will, thus bringing about negative
karma for yourself, to a degree. I also do not recommend having vivid sexual
fantasies of someone you're chasing for the same reason. Instead, channel
that energy into developing the possibilities.

Peace be with you -

- David

[Adam West]

Hi David,

Thanks for your clarification! :-)

In kind regards,

Adam.

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[Petrus]

Hi David,

> vital energy from the root chakra. In heterosexual sex, the female's
> energy
> replenishes this loss, whereas in solo sexual experiences this does not
> occur. Each Law of One session required a sexual energy transfer for the
> instrument to have enough energy to bring in the contact.

I'd read somewhere else about being able to do what were termed as
"retrievals," for want of a better term...visits to places of the dead. I
noticed that at times, after having had sex with my most recent previous
girlfriend, during the night immediately after I'd have dreams which were
very similar to other people's accounts of retrievals, as well as dreams
about the current geopolitical scenario.

Given that like you, I also have grown tired of unnecessary drama, I must
ask...is there any way in which it is possible to still gain this energy
that does not involve heterosexual intercourse?

I will admit that I feel I am approaching a time in my life when, for a
period anyway, I am going to attempt to become as close to being completely
physically alone as I can tolerate. I'm not sure if that is going to
include the Internet or not...I'm not sure I could manage that. My reasons
however for doing this are primarily due to the domination of others. I
have never known a single individual who has not tried to force me to adhere
my own life to their agenda...I am also tired of being exposed to
vilification and shame from some others over my not having reached the same
economic level that they have, as well as stress relating to the criminal
behaviour of my father and a number of other individuals. My offline social
network is now almost entirely non-existent, consisting solely of my mother
and my two brothers.

I want, more than anything else at this point, to learn how to maintain
psychological stability, and also to continue to grow developmentally,
outside of a spousal relationship, and also largely outside of the contact
of my current biological family. I believe my having committed suicide at
the end of my most recent previous incarnation was due to my reaction to a
relationship having ended; at that point I was not willing to learn to live
on my own. I still feel an enormous amount of fear in that area, but I am
finally starting to become willing to at least try it, I think...the degree
of attempted domination, stress, and other forms of abuse that I have
experienced not just from the previous relationship but also from my parents
has become intolerable.

Can I therefore also ask...what is your perspective on attempting to become
secluded physically to a severe degree? I seem to recall reading that
Aleister Crowley in particular observed that it is actually one of the
initial stages of more genuine development...would you agree with that?

[Mel Malin]

Hi David,

What do you and RA say about the subject of masturbation for females?

I've advised my female friends to go solo to release excess sexual energy if
they didn't have a partner, rather than having random sex with just
anyone...namely, with those males who would be selfish in their approach and
just use the females body as a release for them. Anytime you have sex with
someone, it leaves an energetic imprint on you and the other person.

Feedback?

Mel


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[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

What if both partners are in the sexual relationship for release? What if that
is the only reason and partnership is set up on that basis from the beginning.
As long as both are consenting individuals there is no reason for being sexually
repressed. I feel it is far more deleterious for us to ignore that we are sexual
beings and that we have needs. Some of us are highly sexual in nature and have
been all our lives. For me to pretend otherwise is merely a covering up of my
true self and I no longer desire to be buried and smothered under society's
judgement calls.

The Victorian era has morphed into Victoria's secret. The underwear may be
exposed in public now but what is underneath is still considered dirty. As long
as we think of the Human body and all of it's conditions as an embarrassment we
foster the growth of sickness. Keeping our sexuality secret and underwraps has
kept us in the dark ages where people sneak around and do what comes naturally
as long as know one finds out.

Those who would choose celibacy have every right to do so. Those who choose to
be involved in a sexually expressive relationship have that right as well. The
most important issue is that the people involved are honestly discussing what
they desire to gain from the arrangement when they are interacting with another
person. We need to be honest and forthright in all of our dealings with
everyone that we come in contact with. To be otherwise is damaging and setting
ourselves up for problems down the line. We can stuff it down but it will rise
to the surface eventually some way, some how no matter how many times we attempt
to be someone that we are not. Any false fronts we wear are eventually going to
come back around and bite us in the butt. A wise friend once shared a quote
with me that he was gifted years ago: "Justification and Masturbation are the
same thing...In the end, we are still just screwing ourselves."

It is not considered unusual for men to seek out sexual liasons for physical
pleasure. If a woman desires the same thing she is called all manner of names
and looked down upon. Many women that I speak to are tired of staying home alone
and taking care of business by themselves. They aren't necessarily looking for a
man to be around all the time but they would like to enjoy a sexual relationship
with a like minded individual. They worry most about what people will think of
them if they have sex with men that they are not in a commited relationship
with. Many of these women are supporting themselves and quite comfortable with
making their own life decisions. What they are not comfortable with is the idea
of ruining their reputations by acting on their libido.

Our "supposed" reputations are so very fragile even in this day and age. Many
people have decided that it is better to be alone than with the "wrong" person,
whatever that means. Unfortunately there are also those who have decided to stay
in harmful relationships rather than start over again. I don't know when the
idea came about that civilized people had to be in a long standing monogamous
relationship; but, that arrangement doesn't work for everyone. Sexuality is not
a one size fits all deal. Western ideas of approved sexual mores has caused
alot of mental and emotional anguish and hardship especially in the US.
Ignoring any facets of our personalities does not mean they will go away. The
only way healthy growth is to gain understanding of who we are through and
through.

I haven't spoken to many men about sex face to face; but I have seen plenty of
evidence that there are alot of men who are looking for company. Just being on
an instant messenger has brought alot of this to light for me. Without one
mention of sex in my profile, I am constantly bombarded by men who want to show
me what they've got. Webcams have become the latest method of being a voyeur
without having to get up close and personal. Pornography would never have
become the multi-million dollar grimy, underground business that it is if people
felt free to express themselves sexually. What grows in the dark and shady
places can and does block out the light. Slimeworld is choking us to death and
endangering our children.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

[Chris Hamilton]

Gayle,

I give your response for the female side of sexuality a resounding here! Here!
Many women feel the same way you do-me included. However, I want to get back to
the LoO take on this, as, being emotional anyway :), we women tend to run away
with the emotional/religious/moral values we have been brought up with. The LoO
provides a nice breath of fresh air where we can have some respite from
judgements
and simply look upon our male/female interraction logically (a
paradox????laughing:).

Ra's statements never pass a judgement on anyone. They simply state what occurs
between two consenting (or non-consenting) parties=positive energy transfers or
negative energy transfers. To our fragile human ears, it seems unfeeling,
without
emotion perhaps, but they are simply describing from their viewpoint what they
see 3rd density illusion doing.

Also, Ra only discusses masturbation in one
sentence in the entire 4 books and it just has to do with teenagers (male)
experimenting and being male. Ra also explains that this is simply the 3D
critter
doing what the body will do because it is a body:) It is humans who attach good
or bad connotations to it. No where do the LoO books speak about masturbation,
by either sex, with a judemental attitude. So, on that point, I suggest that
we, as
humans, have created these restrictions on ourselves :).

Many times LoO will speak of positive/negative, and I think here in this
discussion, we
can apply their suggestions, as it is the INTENTION of our actions that is
important. Intention
shapes what type of energy we project and can change a simple action, such as
what Mel
queried ( a simple gratification privately), to something malefic such as a
pedophile would do by
destroying free will of a child. I think we can all see the difference here. So,
intention is the key-
don't come to a conclusion until you figure out the intention.

What DW was explaining was his search to be a more pure channel with abstension
from personal gratification. Heck, he can just plain concentrate better when he
doesn't
have to worry about all those females bugging his psyche :)

Let's face it gals, guys just have a hard time figuring us out, lol. Maybe LoO
can
help the guys figure this/us out :) We are One, after all. The guys just don't
want
to ask for directions-they would rather drive in circles...laughing...Chris



Those who would choose celibacy have every right to do so. Those who choose to
be involved in a sexually expressive relationship have that right as well. The
most important issue is that the people involved are honestly discussing what
they desire to gain from the arrangement when they are interacting with another
person. We need to be honest and forthright in all of our dealings with everyone
that we come in contact with. To be otherwise is damaging and setting ourselves
up for problems down the line. Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind


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[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

It looks like the young people are going to lead the way once again. I realize
that some people will be appalled by this article and I accept the
responsibility for sharing it if is allowed on the board.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

Nude Teens Raise Eyebrows
Fri Aug 25, 10:10 AM
By Scott Christianson

BRATTLEBORO, Vermont (Reuters) - Some have appeared naked in a downtown parking
lot. Others rode their bicycles or simply strolled the streets in the
nude.Teenagers in the quaint Vermont town of Brattleboro are raising eyebrows
this summer with brazen displays of nudity.So far they haven't been arrested or
ticketed: public nudity isn't illegal in the town of 13,000 people, unless it's
done to arouse sexual gratification.

Vermont has a live-and-let-live tradition, allowing skinny-dipping and nude
sunbathing. Brattleboro, the first permanent English settlement in the state in
1724, is home to a community of writers, artists and musicians as well as
transplanted entrepreneurs from Boston and New York. When the weather grew hot
this year, a couple of dozen teens took to holding hula hoop contests, riding
bikes and parading past the shops wearing only their birthday suits.
Nobody, including the police, seemed to take offense until one local, Theresa
Toney, went before the town government in August to complain about a group of
youngsters naked in a parking lot. "The parking lot is not a strip club," she
said. "What about children seeing this?"

Town officials asked their attorney to draft an ordinance to ban such displays
for the Select Board to vote on in September. When the teens heard about it,
some staged a nude sit-in."I don't see why it's such a big deal," said Alec
McPherson, a recent high school graduate as he sat at a coffee shop table,
browsing a thick volume of artwork from the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
"Everyone's naked in this book."

His companion, Jeremiah Compton, a high school junior who plays in a local
metal-and-punk band, agreed. "It's just that we're bored and expressing our
right," he said.
"We have a nuclear power plant a few miles away and a ridiculous war in the
Middle East, countries getting bombed," said Ian Bigelow, a 23-year-old who had
gathered with some of his friends outside a bookstore. "So why's it such a big
problem if we chose to get nude?"

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/25082006/6/n-odds-nude-teens-raise-eyebrows.html

[c_eckstrand]

Hello Chris, Gayle and everyone,

This is my first post to the group as a new member, funny that this
topic would be my first post but the topic of sexuality likely is as
an important topic as any, in a holistic sense. Generally, in
moral/religious arena, I think we have been conditioned to view
sexuality as the forbidden fruit so to speak. I don't assume to have
all the answers but I think this conditioning may (?) have served a
useful purpose but maybe not. My vision of a healthy society in the
future (wish it were now) more or less makes room for a greater
understanding and acceptance of sexuality, for consenting adults being
able to share in expressing their sexuality together, in ways that are
healthy and liberating, which does not include shame, guilt or
abandoning of responsibilities to family. Love, including the
expression of a healthy sexuality, is far too great and beautiful of
a thing, to confine it as "we" do, without this creating more problems
in people and society, likely we read about the cause and effect
results of this in our news everyday. Though possibly this
"liberation" requires a lot of maturity on our part and I wonder if we
are responsible enough to handle this degree of liberation? Food for
thought. Thanks for allowing me to express my views. Warmest
regards. - Colin

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>
> Gayle,
>
The LoO provides a nice breath of fresh air where we can have some respite from
judgements
> and simply look upon our male/female interraction logically (a
paradox????laughing:).

Chris
>
>
>
> Those who would choose celibacy have every right to do so. Those
who choose to be involved in a sexually expressive relationship have
that right as well. The most important issue is that the people
involved are honestly discussing what they desire to gain from the
arrangement when they are interacting with another person. We need to
be honest and forthright in all of our dealings with everyone that we
come in contact with. To be otherwise is damaging and setting
ourselves up for problems down the line. Love and Blessings,
> Gayle Texas Wind

[jeffreykiksit]

I know they mean well, but a nude sit in is not sanitary, thats just a fact,
sorry.


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>
> It looks like the young people are going to lead the way once again. I
realize that some
people will be appalled by this article and I accept the responsibility for
sharing it if is
allowed on the board.
>
> Love and Blessings,
> Gayle Texas Wind
>
> Nude Teens Raise Eyebrows
> Fri Aug 25, 10:10 AM
> By Scott Christianson

[j_stubler]

I have to agree with the recent posts regarding sexual repression.
Case in point --- at a recent superbowl game halftime show when Janet
Jackson "accidently" had her breast revealed. It started a fire-storm
of idignation and vitrial about how it will corrupt kids watching the
show. Give me a break, those same kids watch Arnold take someones
head off in the Terminator, and watch football players pound
themselves into the dirt and I won't even get into WWE wrestling. My
vote is for a little more wholesome sexual expression and a lot less
violence in our media.

Love & Light

Joe

[jpstephens2012]

The American problem with sexuality is a result puritan ancestors and
fanatical religious suppression. It's an unfortunate karmic catalyst.
However, because of the pandemic socio/psycho illnesses that have
developed as a result of this repression, there are good reasons to
maintain monogamous relationships and to refrain from public display
of nudity and sexuality. I have no doubt that the purpose of the
religious and political entities of the early days of our union, in
the suppression of sexuality, had a lot to do with the prevention of
disease. At that time antibiotics were not readily available, and many
of those diseases were a death sentence, some quite slowly and
horrible. That same idea still holds true today and even more so in
the light of the aids epidemic, genital herpes, gonorrhea, syphilis,
and other sexually transmitted diseases.

I have to say that from my understanding of God and karma that it
would indicate those diseases are karmic in nature, indicating that
those activities do not conform to the Law of One. Marriage is a
covenant between two people. For those people who have made this
covenant, to mutually nurture and care for each other, maintaining
that monogamous relationship, the breaking of that covenant carries a
heavy toll. Naturally that does not apply to an abusive relationship,
although if we are involved in a relationship of that nature it is
because we chose to be, probably because of past life karma with that
individual that we have to meet again because we still have not
brought that problem to balance. To break that covenant before that
balance is achieved simply builds more karma that we will eventually
have to meet before qualifying for harvest.

I'm sure that there many who would disagree with me and I welcome any
input to that effect. I have an open mind and life is an ongoing
process of evolution.

[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

It is a hot topic to be sure. It is wonderful to see so many make an appearance
on the board to discuss this issue. Chris, you mentioned that men are confused
and running around in circles. I would say the same about women in many
instances. I don't know that everyone has heard the story of Adam and Eve; but,
it would seem to me that it is pretty well known no matter what a person's
persuasion, religious or otherwise.

That one story set the scene for a whole lot of nonsense regarding the roles of
men and women. Women were cast in the role of the dimwitted, GOD defying,
easily seduced and seducing temptress who caused the ruin of man and resulting
expulsion from the perfect garden of earthly delights. We have been reeling from
and dealing with that legacy ever since. The part that was left out was where
every one is accountable for their choices on an individual basis. Casting the
blame on someone else for our actions is just a cop out and more of that
justification I was talking about yesterday.

There were few women portrayed in the Bible, along with other religious texts,
that weren't either saintly devout and virginal or on the other end of the
spectrum floundering or recovering prostitutes. We didn't have much of a middle
ground to work with if we were raised with any sort of religious overtones. I'd
venture to guess that few of us escaped that realm entirely without being
touched by it in some way.

Being a virgin was a pretty good thing to be, well thought of and all, but then
again, in some myths and fairytales, the virgin was the first to be sacrificed.
How to choose, what a quandry! Of course, once a woman takes the plunge the
first time, virginity is a thing of the past. Can't get that one back once we
give it up.

I don't imagine that boys are all that different than they were when I was
growing up. Somehow they still want a virgin to take home to mama while they
sow as much seed and plow as many furrows as possible to prove their manhood
before choosing that lucky girl to spend a lifetime with. Girls are getting
screwed any way you look at it. I truly believe that both sexes would be better
off in the long run if sex education in schools included instruction in oral
sex. I can only imagine the howls from the religious right on that subject.
Their idea of how to handle it all is abstainance until marriage. It wasn't a
reality in my day and today's kids have a whole lot more to deal with than we
older folks ever did as far as stimulation goes. I can still remember the rush
of finding my brother's stash of Playboy magazines when I was a young teen.
That was tame in comparision to what our children are exposed to nowadays.

We still tell teenagers to wait for the "right" one, while the clothing lines
available in the stores make girls look like groupies on the make. When a female
wears seductive clothes she may as well be wearing a neon sign that says she's
easy and on the prowl. Just wearing them sets up that energy field both within
themselves and in the eyes of the beholder. Its heady stuff. The music videos,
movies, and tell-a-vision shows drip and spew sexuality and cloned body images
that few can live up to. Girls are just as prone now, as they ever were, to
having sex in order to keep the guy around and interested. Those that don't
feel good about themselves, in comparison to what society considers the
beautiful face and body, are even more likely to indulge in sex before they
understand all it entails for their psyche.

I wear a female facade this lifetime and I pray that the men on this forum are
not offended by my assessment from a woman's point of view. I would love to
hear more about sex from a man's perspective in this day and age. If we are to
be a positive force for creating the New Age we desire we must find a way to
work together on this issue instead of remaining polarized. We haven't really
progressed very far from the school dance nightmare where the boys stayed on one
side of the gym and the girls on the other. We are still eyeing each other from
a distance and scoping out the action potential, no matter what our age bracket.
As Humankind, we have yet to arrive at a productive level of interaction where
we are talking openly about our differences and our similarities while genuinely
fostering a meeting of minds, hearts, and Souls.

I agree with you Colin, healthy sexuality will take a level of maturity that we
may not be ready for. Yet, if we don't address the issue we are damning our
children to repeat the cycle of mismanagement in this area. The price of hiding
sexuality behind closed doors is too high already and getting higher all the
time. It will mean working from the ground up and telling the Truth to our
children instead of being too embarrassed to approach the subject. Even though
we know better, on some level we still want to believe if we don't talk about
it, it isn't an issue. If we push it under the rug, no one will ever know its
there. If we lock the door or block the computer and cable channels, so
hopefully the kids don't know what we're doing, then all's right with the world.
Bull Pucky! We're deluding ourselves and putting our children's lives at risk
by pretending that what they don't know can't hurt them. It can and it is.

Sexuality isn't going away. It is one of our most basic and primal drives and
we need to deal with it openly and honestly. For a percentage of us, if the body
holds out and up, it is a lifelong preoccupation. It is one of the most
enjoyable recreational sports these bodies are built for. We need to bring it
out into the light of day and celebrate the beauty of it instead of keeping it
in the dirty secrets department. But this is all just my humble opinion on the
subject.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

[Adam West]

Hey there,

It is my suspicion that sex as sinful merely follows from some superstitious
misunderstanding of the original teachings which had nothing to do with
morality, ethics or sin, but simply to do with energy conservation and
transmutation.

Over the generations, the priestcraft lost possession of these teachings and
somewhere along the line, a misunderstanding occurred; along with political /
social tensions and associated manipulations of the general uneducated public by
the institutional elite. In this way we can see that through socialization
(psychological conditioning), a perpetual feedback loop of guilt and tension can
be set up in the masses, by encoding a suppression / repression behaviour, that
interferes with the agent's natural drives and equilibrium, thus creating
psychic instability and further dependence upon those social institutions.
Therefore, to answer the question of sin and moral questions attached to sexual
behaviours, I suspect you would be better placed to look at the history of man
from the anthropological sciences; not the esoteric.

Esoterically, I believe you will find the question of sex merely to be one
of energy; of course the consequences of energy would seem to be more far
reaching than the simple word eludes to :-) It is precisely the question of
energy, which I am interested in!

This is the key understanding that my research seems to suggest is the basic
point forgotten by the priestcraft, and that is, celibacy does not work without
the technology and understanding of conservation and transmutation; thus the
restless mind you speak of.

So just wondering if others have any thoughts on the matter? :-)

Further, the book I was referring to in regard to RA speaking to DW about
masturbation was his biography "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?" They told
him to stop that, as it was wasting his energy and interfering in some way with
his channelling and development or something of that nature. Can anyone tell me
exactly what they said and meant?

In kind regards,

Adam.

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[Adam West]

Further more, conservation and transmutation as a method of flooding the
energetic / psychic / spiritual systems, is the point of the celibacy, not any
other.

In kind regards,

Adam.

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[David Wilcock]

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>Further, the book I was referring to in regard to RA speaking to DW about
masturbation was his biography "The Reincarnation of Edgar Cayce?" They told
him to stop that, as it was wasting his energy and interfering in some way
with his channelling and development or something of that nature. Can anyone
tell me exactly what they said and meant?

DW: You really won't let go of this one (pun intended). My enthusiasm for
this part of our sex discussion is rapidly going limp. :)

I already answered this penetrating question as much as I would like you to
force it into oral discussion. The answer is on the website. It was one of
the first things that came through in a reading, in a highly fragmented way.
There's nothing more to it than what you've already said.

If you want to advance more quickly, don't jerk off.

Peace be with you -

- David

[Adam West]

Hey all,

Ok.. mate, I've heard you load and clear. I didn't mean to embarrass anyone
by publicly discussing what is generally an uncomfortable phase in a young mans
past history. Just figured as it was in the public domain, you didn't mind. It
is so common to both men and women (despite the mythology to the contrary), that
it is an important subject. The energetics for women MAY be different, with
heightening energy gain, rather than loss - however, this remains unclear - with
technicalities of scope and context entering into the question. Thus it can be
seen that it is no simple question, and transcends simple answers like every
other area of scientific investigation.

My experience is, RA is right. The amount of progress that comes from using
conservation and transformation methods found in the eastern traditions (much of
which is lost and distorted also), has been profound. And being technically
minded and from the analytic philosophy tradition, I was just seeking more
technical detail from you or any other who had direct experience in this and in
particular, direct experience with RA's intervention - as there is great value
in personal experience, rather than non-specific, general book knowledge.

I won't persue it further :-)

In kind regards,

Adam.

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[whitcombnina]

jpstephens Hi Group! I joined 2wks ago and am neonate Law of One
lady. Hope ok to share this Cayce Reading(900-16)in support of the
covenant spoken of:
"Let that hath God has joined together be put not asunder," and as
ONE shall the labors be before Him, in physical,in mental,in
spiritual attitudes, and in every way and manner, and as the
strength may ebb in one, may the other lend that aid and assistance
to equalize that ONENESS before Him..."
Elsewhere (480-20) is the recognition that this sacred union has the
power to bring the crowning influence to the experience of each. We
are told of the potential to make such a home, a pattern of a
heavenly home where "not only self but others may feel by the very
vibrations...a hopefulness in the air about the home." The seeds of
untold blessings and glories lie within.
Person asked Cayce about his music and was given,"For in the home is
the music of what? "It is an emblem of the heavenly home. And as
these are made into the harmonious experiences that may come in the
associations, they may bring indeed the music of the spheres in the
activities of one with another..."
Warnings elsewhere are given about how the abuse of sex brings
destructive forces in the energies of the man and woman, as well as
detriment to the child they produce. Maybe those of you much more
familiar w/Ra will please share. Thanks -
NINA

[Filip Van Droogenbroeck]

--- In asc2k@yahoogroups.com (/group/asc2k/post?postID=0nB11Un1uC7a0tfnUsM7kKEocukHjfNCLzKoGb KGnV8QCS65orwQjwBehROMbomybZkPcu2cll05aT0bukA), "Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer"
<GS5555@...> wrote:
> I wear a female facade this lifetime and I pray that the men on this
forum are not offended by my assessment from a woman's point of view.
I would love to hear more about sex from a man's perspective in this
day and age. If we are to be a positive force for creating the New
Age we desire we must find a way to work together on this issue
instead of remaining polarized.
>

I think that there are as many diffrent ideas about sex for males as
there are for females.
Me being a chico, I can see how my idea about sex changed the last
couple of months after a monogamous relationsship of 4 years and how
it has changed since my childhood.

I remember a post from Vara on the bring4th site.
She said something like: It doesn't matter what perspective one has
about sex, it's all about respecting free will.
So if I want to have sex "without any strings attatched" to share some
love then I need to find a like minded person.

Ra said something intresting to in sesson 61:
"
The body complex has natural functions. Many of these have to do with
the unmanifested self and are normally not subject to the need for
balancing. There are natural functions which have to do with
other-self. Among these are touching, loving, the sexual life, and
those times when the company of another is craved to combat the type
of loneliness which is the natural function of the body as opposed to
those types of loneliness which are of the mind/emotion complex or of
the spirit.

When these natural functions may be observed in the daily life they
may be examined in order that the love of self and love of other-self
versus the wisdom regarding the use of natural functions may be
observed. There are many fantasies and stray thoughts which may be
examined in most of your peoples in this balancing process.

Equally to be balanced is the withdrawal from the need for these
natural functions with regard to other-self. On the one hand there is
an excess of love. It must be determined whether this is love of self
or other-self or both. On the other hand there is an over-balance
towards wisdom.

It is well to know the body complex so that it is an ally, balanced
and ready to be clearly used as a tool, for each bodily function may
be used in higher and higher, if you will, complexes of energy with
other-self. ...."

I wonder what they mean with:
"Equally to be balanced is the withdrawal from the need for these
natural functions with regard to other-self. On the one hand there is
an excess of love. It must be determined whether this is love of self
or other-self or both. On the other hand there is an over-balance
towards wisdom."

Do they mean that when one craves for sex or touch or whatever that
this can be an excess of love either for self or other-self but on the
other hand if one withdraws from sex totally that this can be an over
balance towards wisdom?
Any ideas?

Peace,
Filip

[Colin]

Hi everyone,

Just my two cents worth here: The topic regarding our sexuality seems to
have many facets to it, it is an important aspect of our existence . It
likely seems that we have many past misconceptions to sift through to find
the healthy balanced approach, this forum seems to be doing a great job in
opening up the discussion for this wisdom to be discerned. There are no
doubt harmful effects to try and be avoided when engaging in sex, on the
other hand there are great benefits when done within a healthy context. We
might even find and understand the healthy balance but to adhere to it might
be more challenging for some or many of us. I know of spiritual teachings
that encourage monogamous sexual relations, and only within marriage, but of
course there are debates that question this, as our sexual natures/desires
can vary quite a bit. Having said that, the spiritual cause and effect
results may not change because of our varied views, though I have to wonder
if in the future, when we are more mature/evolved, will there be a place for
more of a healthy, sharing experience? The sharing experience I think is
something that many people almost yearn for and there may be good reasons
for this desire? As I was saying, this topic on the surface seems quite
complex but I enjoy very much the mature dialogue people here are engaging
in. Best regards. - Colin



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[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

Dear Filip,
In the end it is all about balance. Not being obsessed or excessive one way or
another about anything. I think that today's Elder Meditation is appropriate
for this thread.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

Elder's Meditation of the Day - August 28
"With prayer and good intentions, we make our lives sacred and so come to
balance."
--Don Jose Matsua, HUICHOL SIERRA MADRE MEXICO
Only through prayer can we make spiritual changes that are permanent. You have
told us that all life is sacred. Today I intend to serve you, my Creator. Allow
me to overcome temptation, and if one comes along, let me see the lessons that
will give balance. You have told us that all life is sacred. Let me see today
with a sacred eye. Let me see beauty in all things.

My Creator, let me know what You would have me be today. Let my intentions be
honest, respectful, humble and loving.

[William Asa]

Filip,

I cannot even pretend to tell you what RA truly meant, however,
there are some learn/teaching items here that resonate well with
me.

RA's statement: "Equally to be balanced is the withdrawal from the
need for these
> natural functions with regard to other-self. On the one hand there
is
> an excess of love. It must be determined whether this is love of
self
> or other-self or both. On the other hand there is an over-balance
> towards wisdom."

To me this can be viewed as similiar to how Truth can be treated.
On the extremes you have those who advocate that one must always
speak the truth at all times regardless of the consequence to other-
selves. Then there are those that exist at the other end of the
balance where no truth at all is spoken because of the injury it
might cause to other-selves. Obviously, to even the most casual of
observers the balance lies somewhere in between. However, there
exists another key as well and that is why would one choose under
Free Will either of the extremes. An examination of these reveals
to me that on one extreme there is an over abundance of service to
other-self while at the other is an extreme of service to self
manifested by a rigid adherence to one's creed/belief. What does
this have to do with RA's statement? Just this, RA speaks of
natural functions and then cites a few examples, i.e., touching,
loving, sexual life, etc., and then speaks of "withdrawal of the
need" with the need to achieve a balance. Just as one often needs
the presence of an other-self with which we enjoy a special rapport
there is also a need for aloneness as well. What I believe RA is
cautioning is that we must determine whether the need to be with
another is driven by service to self or service to other self. If
our need/desire to be in the presence of another crosses over from a
balanced service to self/service to other self then you can have an
excess of love which can become overly balanced toward service to
self. On the other hand it is also possible that a desire to have
time to one's self can become unbalanced. A good balance would
result in having time away from the presence of the other self not
only for one's self but to also give the other self time away from
self. When the need/desire for this time away becomes driven by too
heavily a service to self then there is no balance. The extreme of
the need/desire for aloneness could be an over balance toward wisdom.

There has been recent discussions concerning sexuality and sex
activities in general. The need for balance could not be necessary
than in this area. If there is a true and reflective balance in
both selves then the exchange of energies with "the sexual life" can
reach sacramental proportions. The difficulty arises when one seeks
that other self who has the same reflective balance [perhaps that
other self is the proverbial "soul mate"]. How would this play
into "solo sex" quite clearly one would be able to see that there
would be no release of balancing energy. The result could be that
one's overall energy could be lower to the level that it would
become more and more difficult to achieve any type of spiritual
advancement.

One final thought. RA's statement is nothing short of a remarkable
example of balance in itself. RA obviously has a great desire to be
of service to those here who will exercise the Free Will to hear and
grasp but also within the confines of not violating those parameters
established for this planet. In this statement they achieved their
goal by providing teach/learning at a level sufficient for others to
be able to "see" it but yet not with so much directness and detail
that the Law of Free Will and the Law of Confusion wasn't violated.
To me that is an achievement beyond comparison and far surpasses the
meager abilities we possess.

In Light and Love,

Asa

[whitcombnina]

Hi everyone,
Filip asked about Ra/Healing/opposites to help achieve balance.
Invisible Partners by Jungian John Sanford is excellent mainstream
psychology."The union of the personality is represented in the imagery
of the unconscious as a great love affair. The opposites within us are
so far apart that only the great unifying power of Eros can bring them
together." (took an hour to read 7 pages!)
Enjoyed the recent posts others offered for understanding.
Cayce reading(2072-16) on dynamics to understand this
urge/energy: '..if the activities are used in creative spiritual form,
there is less desire for carnal relationship; or if there is the lack
of use of constructive energies, then there is the desire for more of
the carnal,physical reaction."
I learned the hard way how this force needs to be respected - it is
the power to create life. This mystery is beautifully expressed in
5747-3:"..the urge is inborn to be sure, but if the purpose of those
who bring individuals into being is only for expressing the beauty and
love of the Creative Forces of God, the urge is different with such
individuals. Why? It's the law..."
Wish I'd read Invisible Partners at a much earlier age! We all have to
find our way dealing with this "exercising of the highest emotions in
which a physical body can indulge.."...or as Cayce put it, "every
phase of the relationships between the sons and daughters of men -
that would become the sons and daughters of God." (826-6)
Jung:"True, whoever looks into the mirror of the water will see first
of all his own face." NINA

[jeffreykiksit]

Certainly this is a very complex issue. I see some of the female
population of the group seem to have a little bit of resentment
toward some of the social biases of modern day society. Even in this
day and age women are still judged differently if they behave in a
promiscuous way. That being said, just because RA doesnt say that
something is wrong, doesnt mean that they encourage it.

I think everyone's higher self has a plan for them based on their
capacity for spiritual progress. For some, that might mean
discovering sexual freedom through multiple partners. For David, he
was told by the higher self to move toward celibacy at this time.
Personally, I think this advice might work for everyone at one time
or another in order to make spitual progress. Eventually you might
learn all you can from having sex for pleasure with who ever you
please, at that point, maybe the higher self will suggest you try a
different type of relationship. I think it all depends where you are
at.

My biggest problem as a male, is having women who are attracted to me
as more as an object to be owned. Some women seem to have ulterior
motives like trying to get pregnant or what not. Its very scary to
give up all control to a person. Even with modern day birth control,
the best way to avoid having a child with someone you are not in love
with is to abstain. Thats the thing, whether we like it or
not, "free love" really does have 3d consequences that can
drastically alter your life, and thats even with modern day safe
sexual practices. Its always a gamble, if you do not have a stable
loving relationship to prevent some sort of disease or that can
support a child.

It seems like 3d is set up, so that if you dont at least have respect
and trust in a sexual relationship, you will have trouble. So thats
the thing, are you really ever completely free to do what ever you
want? Persoanlly I have never found a woman who honestly only wanted
sex for the purpose of pleasure, there is usually something deeper
behind it/

[Colin]

I agree with you Jeffrey, my experience with the issues you present are
similar. - Colin

jeffreykiksit
because RA doesnt say that
something is wrong, doesnt mean that they encourage it.

I think everyone's higher self has a plan for them based on their
capacity for spiritual progress.
My biggest problem as a male, is having women who are attracted to me as
more as an object to be owned. Even with modern day birth control, the best way
to avoid having a child with someone you are not in love with is to abstain.
It seems like 3d is set up, so that if you dont at least have respect
and trust in a sexual relationship, you will have trouble. So thats
the thing, are you really ever completely free to do what ever you
want? Persoanlly I have never found a woman who honestly only wanted
sex for the purpose of pleasure, there is usually something deeper
behind it/

[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

At the risk of repeating myself, I personally know alot of middle-aged women
that are looking for a pleasurable sexual relationship. It may shock you to know
how many of us there are.

We are out here guys. You may not recognize us because we don't look like
playboy bunnies. Some of us have self-image issues due to the ravages of time
and the constant media bombardment of the perfect face and body. We aren't
considered young and fresh, taut and tight; but we have hearts of gold. Most of
us are past child-bearing age so that is no longer an impediment for either
partner. We are the women you see all the time, everywhere you go, going on
about our daily lives.

Keep your eyes and ears open. We are becoming bolder about it than we have been
in the past but we still have old tapes that tell us we shouldn't make the first
move. We may seem shy at first; but, underneath that shyness is just as much
fire, if not more, than we had earlier on in our lives. If we have children,
they are for the most part grown and don't need our constant attention. We feel
more freedom to be ourselves and aren't looking for someone to define who we
are.

We just don't want to be labeled or treated like whores for expressing our
sexuality. Just because we desire sex doesn't mean we aren't still ladies who
deserve respect.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

[whitcombnina]

Aspire to understand Ra but such Cayce wealth! Like this one told
someone who worked in the Temple Beautiful and inquired how to
develop the body beautiful:
(264-45)"That the motivative powers that cleanse matter are of the
spiritual fires that have removed and do remove the dross of carnal
forces. For when the body, when the soul(as the entity did then)
makes for no thought of self or of body but that the glory and the
fires of love that are of the Creative Forces burn within the mind,
the body, the soul, so do they purify the flesh, the matter, the
INFLUENCES of being in a DIMENSIONAL PLANE."
or this one about the Glory of the Rainbow:
(1436-2)"For the entity made that overture in such measures that the
promises of the Divine that were and are written in the rainbow of
the sky, when the cloud has passed, are the same as written in the
lives of individuals; that they, too, who are in the closer walk
with the Creative Forces, may see their sign, their colors, and know
whereunto they have attained in their relationship with Creative
Energies or God."
Know we are all aiming for that closer walk - NINA
RA became more real in my search when found the following Atlantean
reference about the saint realm(2464-2)
"There are few terms in the present that would indicate the state of
consciousness; save that, through the concentration of the GROUP
MIND of the children of the Law of One, they entered into a fourth -
dimensional consciousness - or were absent from the body.
Thus they were able to have the experience of crystallizing, through
the Light, the speech from what might well be termed the saint
realm, to impart understanding and knowledge to the group thus
gathered."(another reading told of Jesus's transfiguration bringing
the communion of saints)

[Gayle \"Texas Wind\" Sexauer]

And all facets of our carnal desires must be examined before they can be
discarded. To pretend they do not exist will not make them go away. Only by
going deep within ourselves and introspectively deciding what we desire to keep
and what we no longer find necessary for ourselves on our Soul Path, will we
attain the Wisdom of the Temple Beautiful.

We will not achieve purification until we are willing to expose our darkest
selves to the Light of Truth for refinement so that the dross is burned away.
Once we go through the process, we can shine brightly without shame of who we
are and understand more clearly Who we Desire to Be.

Love and Blessings,
Gayle Texas Wind

[whitcombnina]

Yes, as Gayle indicated, am in full agreement!
Robert Johnson "To own one's shadow is to reach a holy place - an
inner center - not attainable in any other way."
My earler report of learning the hard way was NOT meant to imply that
I have mastered this AT ALL.
Heard through the grapevine how Buddha reported that if there was
another desire as powerful as sexuality he might not have achieved
enlightenment.
Cayce Reading (254-68):
"Which is the more real, the love manifested in the Son, the Savior,
for His brethren, or the essence of love that may be seen even in the
vilest of passion? They are one. But that they bring into being in a
materialized form is what elements of the one source have been
combined to produce a materialization. Beautiful, isn't it?
How far, then, is ungodliness from godliness? Just under, that's all!"
Always the plea that, "...every soul should attune...its vibrations to
the Son of Man, the Mother-God in Jesus...Tune into that light, and it
becomes BEAUTIFUL; in that you think, that you are, that you live!"
NINA