Karen Bisson
02-15-2002, 07:00 AM
{{{Hi Folks}}}
I want to thank everyone for kindly tolerating my reply to Simon. It
was... an interesting exercise. I really hate to give so much focus to
this Simon individual but clearly it's started a fire that needs to be
tended to before it burns wildly out of control.
Some of you have brought up a few things I discussed with David on the
issue and have also opened up some key perspectives which deserve proper
consideration. Mud puppy... I think if you carefully re-read Jeremy's original
post responding to Simon's invasion, you'll see that he has already given
Simon proper consideration with regards to him performing a service to
others.
Jeremy said:
<<We all have a part of ourselves that try to manipulate other
parts of ourselves. Simon's merely reflecting it back to
us. This is a service. While it is perfectly legitimate
(and IMHO, easy) to reject the invitation to enslavement, seeing the act
of service in a vacuum where our own response and base assumptions are
not factored in would be leaving something out, IMHO.>>
If you read those words carefully you will see he has stated pretty
much the same thing you did. The problem appears to be that Simon is unwilling
to consider any ideas other than his own and is intent on forcing his ideas
down other people's throats without considering the fact they they too
have a mind of their own and may not necessarily agree with him.
You see Mud Puppy, freedom of speech is clearly something you believe
in... but based on his actions, it is apparent that Simon does not and
that is the issue at hand. It is one thing to say, "I think I'm right and
you're wrong so let's discuss it" and an entirely other to say, "I'm right
and you're wrong and you're going to believe what I say or go to hell."
This indeed can be a very destructive force.
From what I understand (although I was not around at the time) David
and the group did offer Simon every courtesy to share his opinions with
the group but Simon, in turn, did not offer the same and I think this is
all that David and Jeremy are trying to say. It sounds to me as though
they have given the man more than enough of their energy to this person
and they are fed up. Fair enough.
Some people need to learn the hard way in life. They need to hit rock
bottom. They need to smash their ideas into a wall at 100 mph before they
finally learn to deal with things a little less destructively and a little
more gently. Tell me you haven't been there before and I'll tell you you
are full of s***.
I wrote a private post to David regarding the issue of posting my response
to Simon a few days ago. I think it might be worth sharing it with the
group as it might help to contain the flames and provide a more gentle
perspective on this issue.
My letter to David:
I can't say I care for his Simon's holier than though, single-minded
attitude either. But
let's stop for a moment and consider this individual's needs and purpose
for
doing what he is doing. He really thinks he's something special and
is onto
something that the rest of the world isn't aware of. That's his ego
talking,
pure ego, driven by who knows what. That's more than obvious. But you
are
enlightened enough to know what happens when an individual feeds nothing
but
ego. He will have his lessons dished out to him in due course. Of that
you can
rest assured.
Still, it is important to remember that even the petty tyrants in this
world
serve a greater purpose and that purpose is helping to forge the precious
metals of individuals like you and I. You and I both know that he is
rather
misguided, but the Creator lives and speaks through each and every
one of us so
we must take care not to disregard that spark for it is more than apparent
in
his words that that spark is trying desperately to ignite itself within
the
man. From our perspective, it's failing dismally... rather like watching
a
greenhorn trying to light a fire with two sticks isn't it?
However, the effort and that spark must be honoured otherwise our own
reactions
to him will only serve to tip the poor bugger's balance even further.
We are,
after all, all a part of each other on some level and what you do to
others,
you do to yourself. Without doubt, Simon has a lot of learning and
growing to
do. But so do you and I. If it serves your purpose to try and help
enlighten
him then great. Deep down I suspect that's all he is looking for too
just like
the rest of us. Meanwhile, he clearly has every intention of continuing
to try
and "enlighten" others with his dismal little flame so it may well
be to all
our advantage. If not then that is also your choice for that's what
it all
boils down to really... free will choice. We can but try if we choose
and it is
up to him to choose whether or not he wants to continue playing with
the bubble
of his ego. Just know that somewhere along the line, the Creator is
going to
pop that bubble. Do you care enough to be there to catch him when he
falls?
That's something only you can look inside yourself to know.
Myself, I congratulate the man for reflecting himself to the world in
such a
way for it has made me think and re-analyze my own perceptions. That
is a
healthy exercise for any individual. So, in essence, his offering is
a gift
he's wrapped up in toilet paper and tied with dirty old sneaker laces
and needs
be honoured as such. And that's really all the consideration it requires.
It
certainly doesn't mean that anyone has to agree with him for that would
be
honouring the toilet paper and laces as the gift and not what was inside.
The
amusing thing is, the man really has no clue as to what's inside because
it is
as much a gift for him as it is for us. Such is the loving, mysterious,
and
often downright hilarious way that is the Creator's.
End of letter to David
Now for many of us in the group, our first reaction was "let's set the
man straight." This does not necessarily imply that we have any grand desires
to heal him. If those desires were prevalent I would be inclined
to think that there may be some greater personal karmic debt with the individual
involved.
Remember what David said:
<<Remember: we must strive to avoid:
- The desire to possess others.
- The desire to be possessed by others.
- The fear of possessing others.
- The fear of being possessed by others.
Control is the antipole of love - and thus exemplifies our very recent
dilemmas with interlopers on this list who would choose to use it as
a
platform to make unsolicited private contacts.>>
He hit the nail on the head with this and so did Rod when he said...
<<There is something to be said for the idea that one gets what
he is
looking for. Then there is the part of one looking for what he needs
to get.>>
David also said... and this is a really key point to remember here folks...
<<When an entity truly does not want help, we violate that
entity's free will to attempt to offer it. Simon has shown over and
over
again that even in the face of the most highly intelligent and compassionate
responses to his vignettes, nothing is accomplished. He is absolutely
convinced that he is right and I imagine that opinion will rest with
him
until either death or the passage of the first "wave." >>
David was doubly implying that Simon is is violating our free will by
forcing his opinion on others. That is really the main point I see that
he is trying to make with all of this and he's quite right. Did I ask for
that e-mail to be sent to me? Did I give Simon my personal e-mail address?
NO! Simon violated my privacy and everyone else's to force his opinions
on us. And no matter which way you cut it, it's wrong. Plain and simple.
That I chose to respond was MY choice. My free will. And that is as simple
as that.
Now if we are REALLY honest with ourselves we will admit, if to no one
else but ourselves, that the reason we all get excited when this kind of
situation arises is that it presents us with an opportunity to "show our
stuff". There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's exactly why the
Creator has presented us with it in the first place. To test our metal.
See what we're made of. But the most important thing to remember is to
take what you need from situations like this and "with a breath of kindness,
blow the rest away."
(That is a quote from a Robbie Robertson song - Golden Feather which
is one of my all time favorites. The name Golden Feather has also been
my spiritual nickname for many years)
TONS of love & light
Karen (aka Golden Feather)
I want to thank everyone for kindly tolerating my reply to Simon. It
was... an interesting exercise. I really hate to give so much focus to
this Simon individual but clearly it's started a fire that needs to be
tended to before it burns wildly out of control.
Some of you have brought up a few things I discussed with David on the
issue and have also opened up some key perspectives which deserve proper
consideration. Mud puppy... I think if you carefully re-read Jeremy's original
post responding to Simon's invasion, you'll see that he has already given
Simon proper consideration with regards to him performing a service to
others.
Jeremy said:
<<We all have a part of ourselves that try to manipulate other
parts of ourselves. Simon's merely reflecting it back to
us. This is a service. While it is perfectly legitimate
(and IMHO, easy) to reject the invitation to enslavement, seeing the act
of service in a vacuum where our own response and base assumptions are
not factored in would be leaving something out, IMHO.>>
If you read those words carefully you will see he has stated pretty
much the same thing you did. The problem appears to be that Simon is unwilling
to consider any ideas other than his own and is intent on forcing his ideas
down other people's throats without considering the fact they they too
have a mind of their own and may not necessarily agree with him.
You see Mud Puppy, freedom of speech is clearly something you believe
in... but based on his actions, it is apparent that Simon does not and
that is the issue at hand. It is one thing to say, "I think I'm right and
you're wrong so let's discuss it" and an entirely other to say, "I'm right
and you're wrong and you're going to believe what I say or go to hell."
This indeed can be a very destructive force.
From what I understand (although I was not around at the time) David
and the group did offer Simon every courtesy to share his opinions with
the group but Simon, in turn, did not offer the same and I think this is
all that David and Jeremy are trying to say. It sounds to me as though
they have given the man more than enough of their energy to this person
and they are fed up. Fair enough.
Some people need to learn the hard way in life. They need to hit rock
bottom. They need to smash their ideas into a wall at 100 mph before they
finally learn to deal with things a little less destructively and a little
more gently. Tell me you haven't been there before and I'll tell you you
are full of s***.
I wrote a private post to David regarding the issue of posting my response
to Simon a few days ago. I think it might be worth sharing it with the
group as it might help to contain the flames and provide a more gentle
perspective on this issue.
My letter to David:
I can't say I care for his Simon's holier than though, single-minded
attitude either. But
let's stop for a moment and consider this individual's needs and purpose
for
doing what he is doing. He really thinks he's something special and
is onto
something that the rest of the world isn't aware of. That's his ego
talking,
pure ego, driven by who knows what. That's more than obvious. But you
are
enlightened enough to know what happens when an individual feeds nothing
but
ego. He will have his lessons dished out to him in due course. Of that
you can
rest assured.
Still, it is important to remember that even the petty tyrants in this
world
serve a greater purpose and that purpose is helping to forge the precious
metals of individuals like you and I. You and I both know that he is
rather
misguided, but the Creator lives and speaks through each and every
one of us so
we must take care not to disregard that spark for it is more than apparent
in
his words that that spark is trying desperately to ignite itself within
the
man. From our perspective, it's failing dismally... rather like watching
a
greenhorn trying to light a fire with two sticks isn't it?
However, the effort and that spark must be honoured otherwise our own
reactions
to him will only serve to tip the poor bugger's balance even further.
We are,
after all, all a part of each other on some level and what you do to
others,
you do to yourself. Without doubt, Simon has a lot of learning and
growing to
do. But so do you and I. If it serves your purpose to try and help
enlighten
him then great. Deep down I suspect that's all he is looking for too
just like
the rest of us. Meanwhile, he clearly has every intention of continuing
to try
and "enlighten" others with his dismal little flame so it may well
be to all
our advantage. If not then that is also your choice for that's what
it all
boils down to really... free will choice. We can but try if we choose
and it is
up to him to choose whether or not he wants to continue playing with
the bubble
of his ego. Just know that somewhere along the line, the Creator is
going to
pop that bubble. Do you care enough to be there to catch him when he
falls?
That's something only you can look inside yourself to know.
Myself, I congratulate the man for reflecting himself to the world in
such a
way for it has made me think and re-analyze my own perceptions. That
is a
healthy exercise for any individual. So, in essence, his offering is
a gift
he's wrapped up in toilet paper and tied with dirty old sneaker laces
and needs
be honoured as such. And that's really all the consideration it requires.
It
certainly doesn't mean that anyone has to agree with him for that would
be
honouring the toilet paper and laces as the gift and not what was inside.
The
amusing thing is, the man really has no clue as to what's inside because
it is
as much a gift for him as it is for us. Such is the loving, mysterious,
and
often downright hilarious way that is the Creator's.
End of letter to David
Now for many of us in the group, our first reaction was "let's set the
man straight." This does not necessarily imply that we have any grand desires
to heal him. If those desires were prevalent I would be inclined
to think that there may be some greater personal karmic debt with the individual
involved.
Remember what David said:
<<Remember: we must strive to avoid:
- The desire to possess others.
- The desire to be possessed by others.
- The fear of possessing others.
- The fear of being possessed by others.
Control is the antipole of love - and thus exemplifies our very recent
dilemmas with interlopers on this list who would choose to use it as
a
platform to make unsolicited private contacts.>>
He hit the nail on the head with this and so did Rod when he said...
<<There is something to be said for the idea that one gets what
he is
looking for. Then there is the part of one looking for what he needs
to get.>>
David also said... and this is a really key point to remember here folks...
<<When an entity truly does not want help, we violate that
entity's free will to attempt to offer it. Simon has shown over and
over
again that even in the face of the most highly intelligent and compassionate
responses to his vignettes, nothing is accomplished. He is absolutely
convinced that he is right and I imagine that opinion will rest with
him
until either death or the passage of the first "wave." >>
David was doubly implying that Simon is is violating our free will by
forcing his opinion on others. That is really the main point I see that
he is trying to make with all of this and he's quite right. Did I ask for
that e-mail to be sent to me? Did I give Simon my personal e-mail address?
NO! Simon violated my privacy and everyone else's to force his opinions
on us. And no matter which way you cut it, it's wrong. Plain and simple.
That I chose to respond was MY choice. My free will. And that is as simple
as that.
Now if we are REALLY honest with ourselves we will admit, if to no one
else but ourselves, that the reason we all get excited when this kind of
situation arises is that it presents us with an opportunity to "show our
stuff". There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, that's exactly why the
Creator has presented us with it in the first place. To test our metal.
See what we're made of. But the most important thing to remember is to
take what you need from situations like this and "with a breath of kindness,
blow the rest away."
(That is a quote from a Robbie Robertson song - Golden Feather which
is one of my all time favorites. The name Golden Feather has also been
my spiritual nickname for many years)
TONS of love & light
Karen (aka Golden Feather)